general-chat

[last mango]

Then tried 7900xt again

This time it's a stable card

Thick boy

No 💀

I paid msrp

Except 79xt

I paid little less

[hoary zodiac]

Oh damn

That's pretty good for a whole pc

Then again the market moves a lot so my price estimates are probably off by a few hundred

[fair onyx]

!!!!!

@storm narwhal

I restarted my PC finally... No page file error, and look!!!

the other 32GB is back!

@idle nexus

Thank you both for the help <3

my PC started having horrifically bad issues before I restarted it. my GPU driver kept resetting and all of my programs were taking like 20+ seconds to respond. My GDD was nonstop at 100%, so I assume it had paged so much to it that everything started timing out

[sinful blade]

Interior
Crocodile
Alligator

[fair onyx]

Discord crashed like 10 times, my tablet display extender several times, krita crashed (while I was trying to save files, but it has fantastic auto save)

[fair onyx]

I drive
A Chevrolet
Movie
Theatre

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/chevrolet-movie-theatre-interior-crocodile-alligator-godzilla-dancing-gif-13329612452498184623

[last mango]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KwrFQP

If you were curious

[hoary zodiac]

Ssd kinda ouch

But it's a samsung so

Pretty solid build

[last mango]

Thank you

Yeah people is saying it can straight up die one day or something like that

[hoary zodiac]

Wait why does the aio cost as much as the cpu

[last mango]

was planning to replace the 990 pro to an 4TB nvme

[last mango]

ASSus Tax.

[hoary zodiac]

Samsung tax too

Getting close to 4TB prices

[last mango]

Real

I hope it lives enough till I get 4tb in then I can use THAT 2tb as secondary drive

Or do I just put 4tb as secondary and then 512gb gen5?

[hoary zodiac]

Samsungs are generally pretty reliable

They fell off since the 970 but they're still decent

Although value's not too good

[hoary zodiac]

I use a gen 3 as a boot drive and a gen 4 as a storage drive

[last mango]

Hmm

[velvet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866714797160792105/1275930219806588948/Real_Life_Plants_VS_Zombies_Rotoscoped_meme_360p.mov?ex=66c7ae1e&is=66c65c9e&hm=9bf251fc518b3158c0df6749fe3935e342ccc20bdb949ba50c90a97c26d61ca9&

[hoary zodiac]

I would use the faster drive as the boot drive

But generally the gen 3 should be fine

[tranquil pebble]

thats just a 4080

[lone mango]

Nah thats a 4090

Way more overpriced

[tranquil pebble]

4090 is a decent price for how powerful it really is... at least if you get one at msrp

[lone mango]

Nah because a 4080 is like 75% of it but is at least $600 cheaper

[hoary zodiac]

4090 is more like a quadro

[lone mango]

If not even like 80% sometimes

[tranquil pebble]

i bet you didn't look at the tensor cores

[hoary zodiac]

I mean it's probably 75-80% in gaming

But for other workloads

[tranquil pebble]

the 4090 is absurdly powerful tensor

[hoary zodiac]

It's probably a lot more

So say

Running a neural network

Or rendering

The 4090 has it's place

Just not in gaming

[tranquil pebble]

Name me a faster ML card for under 2k. I will wait.

[tranquil pebble]

Does Nvidia even make cards that are good value for gaming anymore?

[hoary zodiac]

No

They're more of a jack of all trades

They are good on mobile tho

Mostly due to lack of competition

[lone mango]

Yeah but I don't think anyone here is doing that

[lone mango]

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah but just saying

It's like using a quadro for gaming

You can do that

It can game

But you don't buy a quadro to do that

4090 is marketed as a GeForce but it's bad value for gaming

[rancid juniper]

updated my bios to the 0x129 microcode, intel's supposed booboo fix for their degrading cpus. Gonna post results rn

[paper verge]

https://i0.wp.com/timdettmers.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/GPUs_Ada_performance_per_dollar6.png?resize=1024%2C1006&ssl=1

lol

[hoary zodiac]

What's the methodology?

Is this a gaming benchmark?

[paper verge]

ML

[wary fjord]

The more u buy the more u save

[paper verge]

https://timdettmers.com/2023/01/30/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/

[hoary zodiac]

hmm

That's fascinating

You'd think the extra vram would give it an edge

[paper verge]

i mean this doesnt mean the 4080 is better

[rancid juniper]

Before (2024-04-11 / 0x123) Bios | LEFT
After (2024-08-21 / 0x129) Bios | RIGHT

[paper verge]

it just means more bang per buck

[lone mango]

Right, I just find it wasteful to get it just for gaming imo

[hoary zodiac]

Yeah

I wouldn't get a nvidia for pure gaming

Let alone a 4090

[rancid juniper]

Before (2024-04-11 / 0x123) Bios | LEFT
After (2024-08-21 / 0x129) Bios | RIGHT

very minimal difference in perf

(ignore 4090 thing, thats a result of the dlss enabler mod)

[paper verge]

amd dominating ml when

im still down

[granite estuary]

Hello

[mental yoke]

Dominate deez

[silver sparrow]

Goodbye gpu sag

This was not enough to prevent sag

[dusk knot]

Ooo

[silver sparrow]

plugging in the Argb cable was a P A I N

i spent like 10 mins, slowly trying to plug it in

i diddnt want to remove the gpu, to plug it in, but it was like here

[wary fjord]

u have to test it 10 times on each

then make a plot line on those runs

then swap bios then do again

[rancid juniper]

ugh

😭

[wary fjord]

then u can finally see whats going on xD

[rancid juniper]

the tech experts on youtube can do that

infact they already did

lel

[wary fjord]

what if something happen in ur bg

[rancid juniper]

doubt

[wary fjord]

like suddenly someone spiking it

xD

[rancid juniper]

cant since i configured everything

i dont leave em default

haha take that intel

[wary fjord]

marginal

.1 delta

atleast that patch is not that aggresive

10/10 on new patch

what does it do anyway whats new xD

[rancid juniper]

i was concern about the update because people kept saying like "It bsod my system, games still crashing, temperatures HOTTER than previous bios, etc"

these people have to tune their system

you cant leave it stock unfortunately

like im seeing 1.4v+ on some of their configs

crazy

[sinful blade]

What’s the cheapest reputable AIO?

[wary fjord]

maybe its already dmg

[rancid juniper]

probably

[rancid juniper]

maybe thermalright

[wary fjord]

if u gonan cheap out aio just go air xD

[rancid juniper]

^^^

this chonker might turn your cpu into a popsicle

[dusk knot]

no worries of leaks or pump failing

killing your CPU

[rancid juniper]

facts

aircooling >>>>>>>

[wary fjord]

find one that has water dmg waranty

[dusk knot]

only downside is how much space they take

[wary fjord]

if u cheap out.. on it... its gonna be,.. it is what it is

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-kermit-kermit-meme-kermit-water-kermit-waterfall-gif-24226895

ur cpu if that cheap ah aio burst xD

there should be leak detector on aio

like a sensor or something

if pressure aint right maybe something i dont know

[sinful blade]

I wanna do two builds
One with an AIO for OCing and the other as a main with a standard air

[wary fjord]

i skip science class

xD

[wary fjord]

ow u gonna do comparison?

is it identical build

[last mango]

just drown it in mineral oil

problem solved

[tranquil pebble]

literally how swords seem to come

at least the blade anyways

[sinful blade]

Ye

One will be fiancés (air) and mine will be OC AIO

[tranquil pebble]

Just gonna say that SCSI over micro USB type b 3.0 is kinda cursed

but many external HDDs do this

[storm narwhal]

Micro B USB 3.0?

Jesus

[tranquil pebble]

yeah this cursed thing

Type C is what that thing wished it was

[last mango]

When and why does that thing exists?

[tranquil pebble]

phones used at one point too

[last mango]

I dont recall that.

[tranquil pebble]

it was short lived because type c killed it with fire

as it should be

[last mango]

When I was a kid, Motorloas used one circular prongs

[tranquil pebble]

nah I think this was like Galaxy S5 era

[storm narwhal]

OHHH THESE

[tranquil pebble]

yeah it was

[last mango]

Like this but smaller for Motorloa phones way back then

[storm narwhal]

What is THAT

The s5 had that??

[last mango]

No

Very early brick phones had those

or flip phones

Sorry for the confusion, I meant before Smartphone Era

[tranquil pebble]

Micro-A and Micro-B were literally fused

the cursed level is real with this one

This was a port that could take either Micro B 2.0 or Micro B 3.0

[tranquil pebble]

ah yes the good old barrel jack

[storm narwhal]

THATS WHY

[tranquil pebble]

Cursed as heck and needed to be disposed of ASAP... which is where Type-C came in

and rescued us from that

[craggy shoal]

Honestly the worst USB port 💀

[tranquil pebble]

I still have to use it because Seagate moment

[craggy shoal]

They still use it? 💀

[tranquil pebble]

they did USB Attached SCSI over micro-B 3

[craggy shoal]

Somebody went "hey you know how people already don't like micro USB? lol let's make it worse"

[tranquil pebble]

a rather cursed combo of techs that I dont think were ever meant to be together

[silver sparrow]

well... actually with that much thicker of a port, it shouldnt break as easily, which is why i hate micro b in the first place

[tranquil pebble]

and someone else countered it with Type-C

Type-C's main issue for me is the port of phones getting clogged but other than that its good

[craggy shoal]

Yeah and USB C still isn't as common as it should be lol

[tranquil pebble]

USB HDDs still out there using that cursed B connector

[craggy shoal]

"licensing costs" as if multi-billion/trillion dollar companies can't afford it lol

[tranquil pebble]

they already pay for the trademark usage, and the connector is not licensed

[craggy shoal]

yeah thought so

despite people saying it's a license cost issue lol

[tranquil pebble]

so uh they dont even need to pay extra to use type c over type b

[craggy shoal]

Exactly. So no excuse for not putting it everywhere lol

[tranquil pebble]

What happens is that you pay to get a Vendor ID with terms attached (mostly certification testing etc). You do not pay for which port type to use.

These companies already pay for the Vendor ID so yeah lol

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-hitori-goto-depressed-bocchi-the-rock-gif-27672004

[rancid juniper]

oh

FH4 can be picked up for $11

well from a cdkey site

its $11.99 on MS store

ugh

[craggy shoal]

lol they're trying to pump out those last couple of sales before they take it off the market

[rancid juniper]

pretty much

im a bit tempted since its a deluxe edition but idk

[craggy shoal]

Worth it tbh

[rancid juniper]

i know offline functionality will still work

[craggy shoal]

I enjoyed it more than FH5

The only thing I'd say is wrong with the game is the car sounds but if you can get passed that it's honestly a much better game than FH5 imo

[rancid juniper]

i really dont care about car sounds much

i did play the game

before...

[craggy shoal]

lmao

[pliant berry]

I just play beam and destroy cars

[rancid juniper]

then you'll love wreckfest

or burnout

[tranquil pebble]

yeeeah... seagate is still using Micro USB for their external HDDs...

how is this acceptable in 2024?

[rancid juniper]

@craggy shoal

guess ill get it

[storm narwhal]

So is WD

[tranquil pebble]

yeah Im noticing that there is a distinct lack of USB HDDs that dont use micro-B, and by extension limited to 1 gigabit

and the few 3.2 drives are stupid expensive

[rancid juniper]

YAY

[tranquil pebble]

I got that on Steam

[rancid juniper]

eh i decided to save some funds and get it for MS/Xbox $15.31

on steam its like 99.99

LMFAO

[tranquil pebble]

I had gotten it on steep discount on Steam

[rancid juniper]

ik

i just didnt have the funds at the time

[tranquil pebble]

rip

[velvet summit]

WAIT THESE WERE USED ON PHONES?

[tranquil pebble]

yes, I had one

[velvet summit]

i've only ever seen them on portable ssd/hdds

[sinful blade]

Unfortunate

[rancid juniper]

lol why?

[tranquil pebble]

me: searches for USB drives... Google search: ok here is a $12,000 enterprise RAID cabinet.

[craggy shoal]

L opinion tbh

[rancid juniper]

FH4's intro remains unmatched

[velvet summit]

maybe somebody's looking for that

[rancid juniper]

i dont think any other racing game intro can top it

[iron lynx]

Guys if I bought a 1440p monitor and crank it down for 1080p for gaming and use 1440p for yt and stuff

[iron lynx]

Do u guys think that's a good idea?

[velvet summit]

downscale in game, dont switch resolution in the windows settings because the monitor upscaler sucks

90% of the time

or just run at 1440p native and just live with slightly lower fps

[tacit geode]

But you're a rich YouTuber

[rancid juniper]

thats an unreachable dream

[tacit geode]

Then quit your dream

[rancid juniper]

real

[tacit geode]

[rancid juniper]

but not yet id still like to post some content

just have no ideas atm

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bangles-walk-like-an-egyptian-80s-music-new-wave-gif-19322309

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=nfBXugPNrq8&si=kjs-i7o3M7WJbVQv

[sinful blade]

I don’t like forza cuz the botted reviews they did

[tranquil pebble]

honestly that might not even be from the devs of it, but a crazy fan or someone trying to make them look bad

Either way it is a discredit more to Metacritic than anything else

[sinful blade]

Nonono

That’s not what I meant

Let me explain

[tranquil pebble]

Then please do because you left that wide open as is

[sinful blade]

To give an example, those are car games.

This is a pvp and pve game that’s been played for much longer than half of those

So let me know when car games can have perfect 5 stars with more than triple the amount of reviews as Fortnite.

@tranquil pebble

[mortal grail]

Not really. You play the same thing enough times in a rehash it's not more fun

[tranquil pebble]

I assume that was a UI bug

[sinful blade]

It is not

[tranquil pebble]

Xbox store has loads of em

[sinful blade]

That’s been that way for years

[silver sparrow]

sometimes you just gotta appreciate the insanely detailed models of people in this game

[sinful blade]

.

[tranquil pebble]

ok yeah this is a little sus

[sinful blade]

I talked about it back in December

[mortal grail]

Wait

What game

[sinful blade]

They straight up cheated their reviews.

[sinful blade]

.

[mortal grail]

That's not an answer

which forza

[tranquil pebble]

FH4

[sinful blade]

Forza Horizons. All of them

[mortal grail]

Not all

I've played all but 4

100%

This is the first I'm hearing this

4 is the only one I didn't go more than 2 hours on

[tranquil pebble]

any botting would have been done by trolls or a fan

I see no evidence of Microsoft doing this or they would have done so for FM8

Xbox additionally has also had severe bot issues lately in some areas

[mortal grail]

FM8 did not do this

FM7, 6, any through to 1

The only one I cannot confirm is FH4

[tranquil pebble]

which is why I think any "botted" reviews are done by trolls

[mortal grail]

I'm not talking about the botted review

The popups

That's a major problem with the games if they're doing that

[tranquil pebble]

Pop ups? FH4 never gave me any

[sinful blade]

4 has 759,711 reviews with a 4.9.
5(which was not shipped with consoles) has 10,835
3(which is the least popular, also not shipped with consoles) has 2,973
7 has 272,534 with a 4.9

So 4 and 7 so far

Not all, but the flagships

[mortal grail]

Again

Not the bots

[sinful blade]

But the game could not be played without selecting a review

[mortal grail]

This

[sinful blade]

And it defaulted to 5

[tranquil pebble]

They must not be doing this to everyone...

[rancid juniper]

man i forgot how bad download speeds are on xbox/ms software

[sinful blade]

My earlier point stands
The series cheated their reviews

They forced the customer to submit a rating before being able to continue to the game, with no workaround.
The review defaulted to 5.

[mortal grail]

Either that or I set my devices up correctly...

[mortal grail]

I never denied the reviews I wanna know about the damn popup LOL

[velvet summit]

i never had that either

[mortal grail]

The popup is all I was talking about

[sinful blade]

Pop up was used mostly for flagship console purchases.

Such as if I bought an Xbox during its release cycle

It also requires all accounts on said Xbox to review

[tranquil pebble]

Well, I am never trusting Xbox store reviews ever again

[mortal grail]

I bought a series S

[sinful blade]

Leading to multiple accounts on the Xbox locally having to review it

[tranquil pebble]

not that I ever did

[mortal grail]

Wtf

I'm wayyyy more interested in what ever the hell this is

Than the botting

Lol

[sinful blade]

I will never ever play forza because of all things Xbox has done, it’s literally allow review bombing

[tranquil pebble]

Corporations dont be complete scumbags challenge (impossible)

[velvet summit]

i dont even use the microsoft/xbox store to go shopping for apps

if im buying/downloading something from there, 99% of the time i already know what i want to get

[rancid juniper]

man we talked about this in 2023? man i thought it was yesterday

[mortal grail]

Unfortunately I don't have bill gates in my phone book

[sinful blade]

Go ahead and try to look it up

Can’t find much info because they actively suppressed dissenting opinions and posts.

[mortal grail]

If that was a forza specific thing I could have had that gone by next month

[tranquil pebble]

Gates has nothing to do with MS anymore AFAIK

[mortal grail]

I know

It was a bit of sarcasm 💀

The only sarcasm tho

[tranquil pebble]

Cyberpunk 1984

Google does this too with their products

[sinful blade]

“Forza requiring a rating before playing” or any version of that will get you the same exact results on google

I feel like I’m literally the only person who’s noticed

[tranquil pebble]

no I mean Google suppresses negative results of Google's products

[sinful blade]

MS and google

[tranquil pebble]

any feedback threads on their platform get locked/deleted

[velvet summit]

if it's specific to console releases, then i wouldnt know

[sinful blade]

https://tenor.com/view/shreks-meme-gif-14773907558805575638

[sinful blade]

It’s Microsoft store

[velvet summit]

i dont use xbox or playstation or nintendo stuff

[sinful blade]

So you can look it up rn on pc

[velvet summit]

i never got a popup for a rating

i played via ms store

[sinful blade]

.

[sinful blade]

.

[velvet summit]

i mean was the popup specific to console or was it on pc as well

that was what i was asking

[sinful blade]

Console, as far as my research has found

I’ve dug into this

[velvet summit]

ah

[sinful blade]

It’s blatantly obvious

[velvet summit]

so that's whay i didnt notice
and i didnt look at the reviews for forza anyways

idk how many people are buying forza because of the reviews though ngl

[sinful blade]

Literally Fortnite, a game that took over the WORLD has 1/3 of the reviews of forza horizon 4

[mortal grail]

I can't find anything

[velvet summit]

i feel like it's a big enough IP that most people who are looking for arcade style racing games would know of it

[sinful blade]

exactly

[tranquil pebble]

Microsoft sells controllers via Design Lab that come with effectively no warranty

[mortal grail]

I did multiple terms

I did xbox

I can find the opposite

[sinful blade]

About leaving negative?

[mortal grail]

But not a review gatekeep

About needing to play in order to review

[sinful blade]

I swear I’m part of this conspiracy

[mortal grail]

But not needing to review in order to play, anywhere

[tranquil pebble]

Ebay is doing review gatekeeps for sellers now FYI

[mortal grail]

Look I'm giving this a chance

[sinful blade]

That’s my exact point

[mortal grail]

I was out of chat that whole time looking

[sinful blade]

This conspiracy is my own making

But it has the evidence

[mortal grail]

I would be surprised if reddit was paid off for that

That's a long reach

[sinful blade]

Xbox actively removed negative reviews
Anywhere from 4s, to 1s.
Many many MS forum posts were removed

You can’t find anything on why it has so many

Other than it was a flagship

[tranquil pebble]

1984 happened, just in a way nobody expected

[sinful blade]

But no one talks about it

I swear to the traveler
This is my conspiracy

[mortal grail]

Again not talking about the negative reviews

[sinful blade]

I know

[mortal grail]

Businesses removing negative reviews is not new

[sinful blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/9mpy84/why_has_forza_horizon_4_got_so_many_more_ratings/

[mortal grail]

You're not forced on that pop up

I know that pop up

That's why I'm looking for this other pop up

[sinful blade]

Wanna take a wild guess what other game has much much higher reviews than any other?

Minecraft, another MS owned game

[rancid juniper]

using cloudflare warp fixed the crappy download speed

but i had to restart the download from the beginning

ugh

[sinful blade]

This is part of a wider conspiracy

[sinful blade]

I feel crazy when I dive into this

Next thing I know I’m gonna get handed a cease and desist letter

[mortal grail]

I don't care enough for MS after they didn't listen to the feedback we gave for the new game

[velvet summit]

those dont look very round

[mortal grail]

Forza only learned after their main title collapsed in 3 months

Or rather, microsoft did

[rancid juniper]

thats a defect...

how did this happen

[mortal grail]

If it was a forza issue specifically I could have had it nuked, but I couldn't find any proof of it

[tranquil pebble]

you mean FM8?

[mortal grail]

Yup

[rancid juniper]

BUILT
FROM
THE
GROUND
UP

16 TIMES THE DETAIL

[tranquil pebble]

yeah that locking upgrades behind grinding levels nonsense is whack

[mortal grail]

They had years of feedback, even meeting us 1 to 1 to hear what their best players had to say

It all got thrown away by 18/6

[rancid juniper]

its crazy that FM8 made GT7 look good

since it ALSO needs online for career?

so ass

[mortal grail]

Cos FM8 was shrunk down to 2 years again

[tranquil pebble]

GT7 also has mtx

[rancid juniper]

yep...

[tranquil pebble]

We truly live in a gaming dystopia

[mortal grail]

We told them time and time again to stop using a 2 year cycle, it'll fail

[rancid juniper]

give me more arcade/simcade racers

tired of these boring broken sims that keep popping up

[tranquil pebble]

Corps can be stubborn as hell at times

[mortal grail]

While I can't enjoy the way GT plays anymore, I can more than respect polyphony for never stopping their work and effort to grow on their work

[rancid juniper]

its all about that quick cash

not long term

[rancid juniper]

"the real driving simulator"

[tranquil pebble]

and it ALWAYS bites them in the rear in the end

[rancid juniper]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd, they'll do it again

but sometimes worse

😂

people will gobble it up

cycle repeats

[mortal grail]

Can't now. FM8 is a permanent scar

[storm narwhal]

they never learn

[rancid juniper]

I call this, The GAAAMER Cycle

[mortal grail]

They need to drop the franchise or it'll haunt them

[storm narwhal]

Just look at COD...

[rancid juniper]

Halo killed Halo
Overwatch killed Overwatch
Forza Killed Forza

the list goes further

[rancid juniper]

COD killed COD

👌

[mortal grail]

Microsoft killed halo, microsoft killed forza

[rancid juniper]

true

[mortal grail]

Blizzard was just dumb and turned a new title into an update

[rancid juniper]

who needs game killers when the publishers behind them can do it instead

lmfao

im honestly impressed

[storm narwhal]

microsoft definitely killed both forza and halo

[rancid juniper]

i never took any classes business related but most of their decisions are dumb as hell

💀

[storm narwhal]

but yeah just look at any of the livestreams of forza horizon 5 with the devs of forza lmao

[mortal grail]

Follow the money. Racing games almost always cost the most to produce nowadays

[rancid juniper]

I guess stupidity = $$$$$$

oh wait

its just a known fact

[storm narwhal]

it almost feels like they don't know what they're supposed to be doing-

[rancid juniper]

yep, its insane

[mortal grail]

Can I just-

[rancid juniper]

games with unlicensed cars and fictional tracks dont sell well nowadays

but atleast they dont have to worry about legal stuff

[mortal grail]

With just the 3 of us, we look like a group of compatriots from 1973

[tranquil pebble]

BeamNG <3

[mortal grail]

Dr feetlicks out of south america

[silver sparrow]

why is halo dead?

[rancid juniper]

game is fire

and will continue to grow

[mortal grail]

Weggbert the pc wrecker

From texas

[rancid juniper]

LOL

[mortal grail]

Segue sebastian from France

[silver sparrow]

i just want halo 5 on pc

[rancid juniper]

microsoft shot themselves in the foot and and decided to troll 343 industries

interesting story

[mortal grail]

Franchise effectively died with infinite. And I say that despite how much I hated 5

[safe cape]

where is my virtua tennis 5

[tranquil pebble]

Xbox is just one big troll

[rancid juniper]

virtua fighter

[mortal grail]

I personally liked infinite, but I also liked doom

[silver sparrow]

idk i liked halo 5, and infinite was fun

[mortal grail]

And doom was, kinda just a better infinite to me

[silver sparrow]

i want halo 5 on pc >:(

[mortal grail]

Halo 5 was what made me stop playing halo

[silver sparrow]

i would play it instantly

[storm narwhal]

they had the falcon 100% complete

[rancid juniper]

aight lets see whos next to fail
hmm, will sony make fromsoft create a game with MTX???

[storm narwhal]

with maps designed around it too

[rancid juniper]

who knows!?!?!?

[silver sparrow]

what was your issue with it?

[storm narwhal]

BUT THEY WON'T RELEASE THE DAMN FALCON IN INFINITE

[silver sparrow]

i personally loved the story

[mortal grail]

I hate 343 movement mechanics

[storm narwhal]

AND THE HAMMER SHOTGUN WAS BASICALLY DONE

[mortal grail]

Infinite they finally got it mostly right

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-gif-18214305

[storm narwhal]

AGAIN, NO RELEASE

[tranquil pebble]

not sonys place to do that... Bandai Namco is the publisher iirc

[rancid juniper]

ah

[mortal grail]

Bungie was way better at gunplay with Reach

[rancid juniper]

Bamco

[mortal grail]

Destiny is a reflection of this

[rancid juniper]

and now bungie is just a shell

[storm narwhal]

but Surasia is teasing a new weapon in infinite

[silver sparrow]

destiny is fun with gunplay

[rancid juniper]

an empty shell

what a sad way to go

[mortal grail]

Yep destiny is dead

Bungie gon

[storm narwhal]

Bungie is definitely a shell now

everyone left

[mortal grail]

A sad end but a generation lost

[north crescent]

Banned Co

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkV7YpM6zxE

[rancid juniper]

cant wait for dragonball battlepass

[mortal grail]

I CAN HEAR IT WITHOUT CLICKING

[storm narwhal]

SAME

[safe cape]

OG

[mortal grail]

UuuuuuuuuuuuuoooooOOOOOOHHOOOOOO

[storm narwhal]

ALL THOSE HOURS SPENT ON THE MENU SCREEN BROOOO

[mortal grail]

UUWAAAAARRRHAAAAAAAAA

The piano in that was epic

[storm narwhal]

CUSTOMIZING MY SPARTAN OR MESSING WITH FIREFIGHT SETTINGS

[mortal grail]

BEST. HALO. EVER.

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hEYvdMoF2g

[storm narwhal]

FR

[safe cape]

can you hear this ?

[rancid juniper]

man if i learned game development id make a good game out of spite

i just need motivation

[storm narwhal]

I mean, it's not impossible even in this day and age lol

Wukong is the first actually good game on release

[north crescent]

Lol, as someone who knows game dev, good luck to that

[rancid juniper]

id definitely avoid UE thats for sure

[storm narwhal]

in a while

[rancid juniper]

😂

[mortal grail]

Didn't grow up with an NES or 64

[rancid juniper]

i know, its ridiculously hard

there is alot you gotta do

ALOT

[mortal grail]

What if he called it spite

[safe cape]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-disappointed-facepalm-reaction-vicente-del-bosque-gif-17817343

[mortal grail]

And then spent 10 years with it in alpha

[rancid juniper]

Spite 2: Can't Stop Hating

[mortal grail]

While he learned

[mortal grail]

Spite 3: I'm just so mad

[rancid juniper]

lmao

[safe cape]

motivation : Half Life 3

[mortal grail]

Spite 4: My wife shouldn't have left me

[north crescent]

HUR DURR I CAnT rUn gAMe oN CiNEmATiC SeTTInG PReSEnT

[mortal grail]

Spite 5: It's almost sprite

[rancid juniper]

SPRITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTE

[mortal grail]

Spite 6: DINKLEBURG.

[silver sparrow]

is it just me or is halo like the end all be all to any game music

[mortal grail]

(by the 6th game you'd be 80 years old)

[storm narwhal]

rEEE MY InTEl CORE 2 DuO And VOoDoo GrAphICS CAn'T RuN IT oN CInEMATIC

[mortal grail]

(And an industry sweetheart)

[rancid juniper]

you know you made a good performing game when it looks good while running on a GT 1030

[mortal grail]

Old microsoft devs:

[rancid juniper]

RTX 4090 user with 4k cranked RT

[rancid juniper]

wizards

[mortal grail]

New devs reacting to this information:

[rancid juniper]

devs of the past experimented heavily

and wanted to one up themselves

[north crescent]

Okay but what about 1030 D4? ||/s||

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[mortal grail]

https://tenor.com/view/pep-guardiola-guardiola-manchester-city-mcfc-shocked-gif-4443604034155301746

[rancid juniper]

guess ill have to optimize even further

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5u8jyPIrIY

[north crescent]

And had time

[rancid juniper]

yep

[safe cape]

rip the golden age

[rancid juniper]

and didn't have to worry about A BAD GAME

[mortal grail]

It really was like this

[rancid juniper]

like even if they published a bad game they still can make another title

and learn from their mistakes

[tranquil pebble]

imagine raytracing in VR

[rancid juniper]

nowadays the company shuts down

[mortal grail]

We had bad games but companies really tried

[rancid juniper]

you're asking for a housefire bro

[rancid juniper]

yea

[storm narwhal]

the moment you make a bad game now it's just immediate death

[mortal grail]

Even bad games by old standards are better than a lot of new aaa

[tranquil pebble]

real

[storm narwhal]

and the corporations won't let you do what you want with it

[rancid juniper]

then stop putting hundreds of millions into one title

dumb ah publishers

i swear

[storm narwhal]

forcing in what they think the game needs

[safe cape]

imagine playing bc2/bf3 and mw2/mw3 in the same console

ahh the dayyys

[mortal grail]

The thing is they don't

[storm narwhal]

which is also exactly what everyone hates

[rancid juniper]

👀

[mortal grail]

The entire problem is so many games don't splash these multi multi million budgets like that of a movie

[north crescent]

Publishers are just like those you'd find in stock market. They want pump and dump cuz it makes the most money to not care whether smth lives or dies.

[mortal grail]

They shoestring something on a fraction

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[mortal grail]

6.6 million dollars, remember that number

[rancid juniper]

one dollah

[tranquil pebble]

Some of the best games are low budget

[safe cape]

anyone here played facebook flash games ?

[mortal grail]

$6,600,001

[rancid juniper]

too obscure to me so no

[rancid juniper]

TOO EXPENSIVE

QUIT PROJECT

[mortal grail]

I don't have to imagine 💀

[tranquil pebble]

Newgrounds is where I played flash games

[rancid juniper]

coolmathgames solos

[mortal grail]

NEWGROUNDS

[safe cape]

you missed a lot hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[mortal grail]

No I lived it

[rancid juniper]

anybody remembers miniclip?

[mortal grail]

MINIIICLIP

[rancid juniper]

goated site

[mortal grail]

Happy tree friends

[safe cape]

Y E S

[mortal grail]

Happy wheels

[north crescent]

And it's pretty pain to make a game as an indie without a publisher. Any company that is large enough will also usually be open to stock market regardless of them having separate publishers, thus will usually die.

[mortal grail]

Ninja game

[north crescent]

CoolMathGames

[mortal grail]

I was so good at these

[tranquil pebble]

investors are the biggest killjoys ever

[rancid juniper]

there are probably some great indie games under the rubble but due to expensive marketing we will never know

oh yea, this exists

[north crescent]

Wanna know what We Happy Few could've been like without killjoy. That one had some proof that it was pretty good for like 75% of development until publisher killed it.

[mortal grail]

I mainly shop for those now

[rancid juniper]

bro is indie scouting

[mortal grail]

I rarely look in the AAA bin anymore

[rancid juniper]

ill do the same

[mortal grail]

AAA has sucked for so long

I just

I can't care

[safe cape]

shadow fight ?

[north crescent]

A and AA are also aight places to look

[sinful blade]

Daily Forager sponsor

[rancid juniper]

SHADOW FIGHT 2?!?!?!/

[mortal grail]

Can't remember

[tranquil pebble]

Where does Atlus stand with this? AA?

[mortal grail]

I think wukong is the first game in a while that hit AAA everyone wanted

[storm narwhal]

true

[mortal grail]

Before that, baldurs gate

[storm narwhal]

also true

[safe cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2rzhRZroc

[rancid juniper]

Bald Man's Gate

[safe cape]

remastered classic

[mortal grail]

Damn

[safe cape]

PROSTAGMA

[mortal grail]

Another rehash

They should stop with this one

[storm narwhal]

Baldur when someone asks to make a third gate:

[rancid juniper]

😡

[mortal grail]

Age of empires was a good series, too many remakes muddies the water

[north crescent]

Atlus
American Atlus
American Atlus Aquaman

How the As get ranked

[rancid juniper]

B movie ah game

but fun

[silver sparrow]

there is a souls like coming up that im interested in

[tranquil pebble]

bug go boom and fly across map lol

[silver sparrow]

idk if yall have heard of it

[rancid juniper]

🗿

thing needs to go

[mortal grail]

But every time they say bee it gets 15% faster

[rancid juniper]

if that happens earth is already invaded

[sinful blade]

https://youtu.be/UXaUzXRGZ3U?feature=shared

What in the

[safe cape]

https://tenor.com/view/making-money-money-money-maker-gif-12578900

[mortal grail]

Bees are almost extinct ☠️

Quite literally endangered

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/therussianbadger-its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-lockheed-martin-earth-defence-force-gif-26453519

[rancid juniper]

you're cappin?

aint no way those yellow specimens are dying like that

[mortal grail]

We're gonna die /s

[rancid juniper]

ngl

where they get that number from?

lol

[mortal grail]

Idk

[rancid juniper]

dont search up bee in gifs

☠️

[mortal grail]

You think quora is trustworthy?

What

[rancid juniper]

na

[mortal grail]

Don't plant this idea in me

[unreal trail]

wym I have lots of bees in my yard every summer

[north crescent]

They counted how many times a person could say 🅱️esus in a lifetime

[storm narwhal]

what's wrong with bee gifs

[rancid juniper]

why, why are they twerking bruh

._.

[mortal grail]

Well@rancid juniper

Well I'll bee damned

[rancid juniper]

😂

[mortal grail]

☠️

[storm narwhal]

what

[rancid juniper]

real

[storm narwhal]

why

[mortal grail]

Idk

Why don't you have a look

[unreal trail]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-twerk-andreas-tegnander-gif-9621486865491734692

[rancid juniper]

LMFAO

[mortal grail]

Bumble bumble bumble

[rancid juniper]

i wonder if they do this to confuse the wasps

i think its a defense tactic

frfr

[north crescent]

They just trying to seduce human like in Bee movie

[rancid juniper]

W
I
L
D

[tranquil pebble]

they pulled it from an uninitialized C++ variable

[craggy shoal]

amongus

[safe cape]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1ewo0y7/the_gun_simulation_people_took_it_to_the_next/

@deep parcel

[craggy shoal]

an actual good post from PCMR is crazy

[mortal grail]

Fun fact, it's a repost from bilibili

[idle nexus]

bruh

3.5 hours of VT3

[mortal grail]

Breh

[idle nexus]

doesn't fail

just turns the whole PC off

lol

[mortal grail]

Sounds familiar, check usb/chipset power options

[idle nexus]

PSU Lite Load or whatever?

[mortal grail]

lite load counts

Yeah

[idle nexus]

ehh Global C-state Control?

Power Supply Idle changed from Auto to Typical (other option is some hippie Low Current option)

heck I gotta also check in Windows to see if some power save stuff in Control Panel is relelvant

I didn't use 13900KS to avoid this exact type of nonsense dammit lol

[mortal grail]

Not that

[idle nexus]

I wonder if I should bother finding Power Down for memory too

[mortal grail]

Um yeah

Turn off context restore too

I would be looking at LLC, don't auto it

[idle nexus]

weird Power Down is on with Auto but tCKE is 0

[mortal grail]

Add +5 to CO

[idle nexus]

CO was PBO Disabled

[mortal grail]

Then it's not cpu

[idle nexus]

I'm still on memory

[mortal grail]

Ignore those things I said that are is saying

0ower supply idle state

[idle nexus]

LLC only has 3 options

[mortal grail]

Usb selective suspend setting

[mortal grail]

Don't worry now

[idle nexus]

that's in Control Panel no?

[mortal grail]

Lite load may help

Yes

Then look for a bad usb cable

Random shutdown/restart = dead cable 9 times of 10

[idle nexus]

it's probably Thermaltake fan boxes lol

those heckin things

the software isn't installed because I'm on burner Win11 ISO for testing

[tranquil pebble]

Fumo Mario

[safe cape]

when next gen amd apu ?

[wary fjord]

next gen

[sweet phoenix]

You mean newer than 8000 series?

[safe cape]

yes

new 780m

[sweet phoenix]

It'll be a hot minute

[craggy shoal]

(the worst type of question)

[safe cape]

why ?

[sweet phoenix]

We can't predict it

[safe cape]

okey

[craggy shoal]

"I'm impatient I need to know information that know one knows about"

[sweet phoenix]

But it will be a good while, and by that i mean likely more than a year

Unless amd feels some need to compete against themselves

[idle nexus]

lol by then there'll be another 10+ new AM4 CPUs somehow

[idle nexus]

noice. Did you disable memory compression or lock pages in memory? lol

[idle nexus]

I'm gonna enable PBO without any COs since I was running on "PBO Enabled" Asrock profile thing so at least if it borks there's less uncertainty lol

also gonna bump VDDIO to 1.4 & VDD VDDQ to 1.42

otherwise the most likely thing to blame is tRFC/pb being too tight & crash happens from the heat that causes? I dunno if that matters tbh but it was a thing with bdie lol

watercooled memory ought to not matter but meh

[mortal grail]

If you're stable then a sudden reboot is unlikely

I suspect power tbh

[fair onyx]

I just disabled the paging to my HDD. And then the restart just flipped a coin on whether or not my RAM would pre present. It just randomly decides if it will or will not be there... It's stupid

If it boots with all 64GB, it will be fine for days or even weeks with no stability issues. It's not like I am getting blue screens and then half of it is disappearing

[idle nexus]

which CPU is this again? & it's 4 DIMMs right?

[fair onyx]

12600k, and it's 2

[idle nexus]

just did it again

[fair onyx]

One of my 2 32GB sticks just randomly decides if it will show up or not

[idle nexus]

if you manually bump System Agent & CPU VDDQ voltages it might help

[fair onyx]

LITERALLY Random Access Memory

For now, I'm in bed about to sleep, but I will look into that when I am less tired haha

[mortal grail]

Highly suspect power if you have no bugcheck codes

[tranquil pebble]

schrodinger's DIMM

[idle nexus]

much quicker this time. I'm gonna drop VDD, VDDIO, & SOC voltages & see how low they go

setting ProcODT to 53ohm helped on last BIOS

if I can't make sense of this with those three voltages, I might climb down that rabbit hole again

[idle nexus]

does flat load line on SOC even matter if UnCore mode is enabled anyway? lol

my SOC sucks

[mortal grail]

I don't bother with LLC on AMD unless it specifically needs help

[idle nexus]

like 1.290 won't stabilize 2100

you know what? heck it let me auto both LLCs

[mortal grail]

Wym stable

Wait hold on

Explain

Stable as in errors?

[idle nexus]

like won't pass VT3

errors out

if FCLK is 2100mhz

[mortal grail]

Either you really lost the lottery or that's not your fclk

Fclk doesn't error

[idle nexus]

I was running 2033 or whatever next bin down was

[mortal grail]

It halts and replays

[idle nexus]

with 6400c28

rn I'm just trying to get 6200c28

[mortal grail]

That's probably your lottery then

[idle nexus]

cuz I don't really wanna fight I just want stable

[mortal grail]

2033 vs 2100 doesn't matter if 2100 isn't stable

[idle nexus]

well not enough to just run 6000 or something lol

btw I couldn't get 6600 1:1 to POST

sad sad

[mortal grail]

Damn

2033 6400 c28 sounds good to me

[idle nexus]

doesn't really matter since there's no way I'd get FCLK running even higher than 2100 lol

[north crescent]

You dont really want LLC to be aggressive, causes some pretty high voltage spikes

[idle nexus]

ya transients will do a mega heckin

[idle nexus]

VDDG CCD/IOD, VDD Misc, & VDDP don't really do much to help stabilize FCLK right?

[mortal grail]

Soc is the main one

[idle nexus]

hmm so maybe I've been blaming FCLK when FCLK was irrelevant & maybe 2100 does run just fine

[mortal grail]

Vddp and vddg for everything else

[mortal grail]

You should watch BZ's oscilloscope video about what the iod does

It will literally pause and retransfer like ECC

[idle nexus]

tbh it seems like VDDIO, VDD, & VDDQ are all that matter

[mortal grail]

It causes the system to crawl

[idle nexus]

& VDDIO is another strange one

that'll actually give me IRQL NOT LESS THAN OR WHATEVER bsod

[mortal grail]

Oh wait I thought vddio was vddg io

Mb

[mortal grail]

Set 1.35

[idle nexus]

I've been running between 1.3-1.4 so I'll do that then

1.35 for 6400 or 6200?

[mortal grail]

Ye it's around there for 6400

[idle nexus]

okay got it

there's also the possibility that tWTR_S/L 4/16 might be a little tight at 6400?

[mortal grail]

Nope

I think I have 4/16

[idle nexus]

tRCDRD 38?

I was running 37 before

[mortal grail]

Can't remember

[idle nexus]

& tRP at 35

[mortal grail]

Trp lower I think?

Is trp the 5th timing

[idle nexus]

lower than -2 tRCDRD?

tRC is 5th

well kinda

[mortal grail]

Oh nvm then

I'm thinking of trc

[idle nexus]

since tRCDWR isn't exposed

tCL, tRCDWR, tRP, tRAS, tRC

28-38-36-34-70 was what I had typically

for 6400

[mortal grail]

Ok no trc is 6th

[idle nexus]

6200 I'd probably try 28-37-35-34-69

[mortal grail]

Trcdrd < 38

[idle nexus]

well it's 6th on ZenTimings but not BIOS

[mortal grail]

Ya I was thinking of zen

Lol

[idle nexus]

cuz Zentimings will show tCL, tRCDRD, tRCDWR, tRP, tRAS, tRC

lol if I told 4 years ago me that I'd have these memorized I wouldn't have believed it

[mortal grail]

Trc I'm not sure personally but 60's or less

Trp can go dummy low

[idle nexus]

tRC ez was tRP+tRAS

but that's not really a rule

just something that usually works

let's see how 6400c28-38-34-34-68 does lol

[mortal grail]

"theoretical"

[mortal grail]

28 - 35-35-35-66

[idle nexus]

1.35 VDDIO; 1.58 VDD; 1.4 VDDQ; 1.27 SOC

[mortal grail]

That is way too much vdd wtf

[idle nexus]

tRCDRD 35 at 6400?

[mortal grail]

Yes

Turn your vdd way down

[idle nexus]

heck I didn't think under 37 would POST

[idle nexus]

for tCL 28?

[mortal grail]

It does if the board can

[idle nexus]

1.45 VDD?

[mortal grail]

Have you tried less

1.45 too low

[idle nexus]

lol no

[mortal grail]

Try 1.51

[idle nexus]

I'll leave 1.58 VDD & try tCL26 lol

[mortal grail]

You can get negative scaling on vsoc too

Vsoc you should try lower

1.19

1.21

Around there

[idle nexus]

but won't tRDWR 14 be too tight since tCWL will be 24?

[mortal grail]

26 works

[idle nexus]

okay SOC 1.2 now

[mortal grail]

If it fails post, ramp vdd back up

[elfin mural]

im sadge, co doesn't get applied on my laptop

[mortal grail]

Bios mod it

[elfin mural]

i stress tested, identical temps after "applying it"

im afraid i don't have the tools to bios mod ngl

[elfin mural]

i hecked up once in my last laptop

um, oop

[idle nexus]

lol uh guys

[elfin mural]

pg13

[mortal grail]

64000 for now

Do 65535 for benches

64K if you want data integrity

[idle nexus]

okay 64k now

[mortal grail]

Looks fine

[idle nexus]

& disabled Context Restore?

[mortal grail]

Is this 32 or 64gb

[idle nexus]

20 minute training party time

64

[mortal grail]

Bump trfc way up

Trfc try 700

Shrink it later

[idle nexus]

I had it at 386 lmao

[mortal grail]

Wayyyy up

386 is crazy low

[idle nexus]

it's on auto now

[mortal grail]

Auto is fine

Do trfc last

[idle nexus]

was running this for months before everything did a super bork

[north crescent]

If you AMD
https://github.com/DavidS95/Smokeless_UMAF

[mortal grail]

Your trfc and trfc2 being like that is not normal lol

[idle nexus]

Auto tRFCpb is 338 lol

[mortal grail]

Those should be flipped

[elfin mural]

yeah my lappy is amd ofc

[mortal grail]

Auto is a suggestion

[idle nexus]

BZ said tRFC2 is nonsense & you could put 69696969

[mortal grail]

Huh

Well it shouldn't be on dr

[idle nexus]

ya in DR video iirc

oh heck

maybe that's why things are so borked

tRFC2 is like 2x tRFC lmao

[mortal grail]

Ya SR it don't matter

DR you need to calculate it

[elfin mural]

hey that's safer than bios modding at least

[mortal grail]

Preferably to 8 bit increment

2 bit works

[idle nexus]

it's been auto since day 1

[mortal grail]

💀

[sinful blade]

Hmmmmmmm

[idle nexus]

I've always calculated it by multiples of 16

[mortal grail]

16 works

I've made 8 and 2 work

[idle nexus]

tried to fine tune by dropping or increasing by 8

alright well heck it let's see if I POST tCL 26 real quick

[north crescent]

I'd still create a backup of BIOS with some flasher like CH341A

Just in case

[mortal grail]

The one time a formula is not bad to have is trfc/2

[elfin mural]

I don't have one unfortunately

[mortal grail]

Lol

[north crescent]

Only like $16 or smth

[idle nexus]

uh-oh

[elfin mural]

I have $0

[idle nexus]

wait nvm

[mortal grail]

Did it fail

[idle nexus]

not yet

but it is definitely not happy

lol

[mortal grail]

Crank vdd if it fails

[north crescent]

Rob a bank

[idle nexus]

PC on, does some codes, PC off, tries again

[mortal grail]

It's not happy then

💀

[sinful blade]

Join the club

[mortal grail]

Crank vdd and try cl28

[sinful blade]

[idle nexus]

earlier I thought I was testing 6200c28

turns out I tested default for like an hour & a half

lol

well it POSTed

[mortal grail]

CL26 is hard to stabilise

[idle nexus]

no idea if it's actually at tCL 26 yet tho