general-chat

[idle nexus]

heck I should register so they have to overcome the presumption that I hold the copyright otherwise I only have common law copyright protection

& if I'm suing, I'd have to prove I hold it

[sour falcon]

those are storage

[idle nexus]

ah okay

so the PSU pulls directly from outside the case then ejects air out the back; the GPU does nearly the same thing; & that leaves you with really no exhaust but I guess it doesn't matter much since you're using an AIO that's pulling air directly in from the outside... unless your VRMs are overheating or something

but either way, aren't you ending up with a situation where hot air from everything but GPU & PSU isn't being forced out of the case?

[sour falcon]

no

[idle nexus]

I guess except by the introduction of air from the AIO

[sour falcon]

out the bottom

[velvet summit]

outside of aesthetics, you really only need to clean off the dust buildup from your case; you dont really have to fully clean out the case from every speck of dust, so realistically just a datavac (dont buy that, it's way too expensive for home use, but get a plastic knockoff of it) and blast all the dust out (and make sure your fans dont free spin) and you will be good

[sour falcon]

the psu is plugged in from the bottom of the case

[idle nexus]

lol damn it feels like we're fighting physics here

[sour falcon]

lemme do some crude drawings

[idle nexus]

best dust cleaner ever is swiffer duster. I <3 swiffer dusters

[lone mango]

[idle nexus]

you don't need to. I'm creating a problem that isn't really a problem

the only problem is the fan clipping & I think you can sovle that by putting 1-2 washers between the fan & the top of the case where it screws in

then just put the screws in normally

see if the fans still clip if you loosen all 4 screws holding it to the case

[sour falcon]

Crap

There we go

[velvet summit]

entering glizzy overdrive

[velvet summit]

terrible graphic design

colours arent contrasting making the graphics hard to distinguish from the background

[sour falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-frown-sad-face-gif-11569617

[sour falcon]

dw i realized this

[idle nexus]

ig since it has so much ventilation you're right it shouldn't matter much

but either way, do you have any washers you can try to drop the clipping fan down with? lol

[idle nexus]

why does Discord say I have a Quest Available?

I'd click on it but I suspect it'll end up being an ad ultimately

[rancid juniper]

thats... actually not fair bruh

[idle nexus]

sounds totally worth your time ya

[tranquil pebble]

I hate these things. I'm very tempted to drop nitro if discord keeps pushing this kinda stuff

[rancid juniper]

😂

[tranquil pebble]

I dont like having ads in a service I'm paying for

This could easily be the start of something worse ad-wise... like slowly getting the userbase adjusted to seeing ads

If that ends up being the case I will absolutely drop nitro if they show those to nitro users too

[velvet summit]

https://youtu.be/46qjDJ0lLdE

[hollow barn]

How do I add extensions to safari? I went as far as that

[storm narwhal]

honestly I lost the reason to pay for nitro pretty early on

[nocturne flicker]

Remember when they sold games nobody bought and played?

[rancid juniper]

mihoyo's new game lol (Zenless Zone Zero)

[barren dew]

Can I change my network band in my computer to a 2.4 GHz instead of a 5 on wireless or do I have to be on ethernet?

[light egret]

uh. You might be able to go into your router settings and separate the wifi to 2.4 and 5 bands separate and then only connect to the 2.4 band if you wanted? Why do you want to do that though

[barren dew]

My Trackers for VRChat will only work with a 2.4 band.

[barren dew]

Looks like I do not have "Preferred Band" on my network adapter

Sucks to suck I guess

[light egret]

who do you have for internet?

[barren dew]

In this case - Spectrum

[light egret]

oh I have no idea on spectrum. however if you get this wifi extender, it puts out the 2 bands for me separately. https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-WiFi-Range-Extender-EX2800/dp/B083R3QFHM/ref=sr_1_31

I can't speak on others though

[barren dew]

So this would work..?

What if I ethernet cable in?

[light egret]

I think so. It force splits the network into 2 so essentially 3 networks show up. It splits it like if your OG network is called HomeNetwork, after setting that up you will see the following in your network list:

HomeNetwork
HomeNetwork_2GNEXT
HomeNetwork_5GNEXT
The 2GNEXT is the 2.4 band and the 5GNEXT is the 5.0 band. It does require your router to be able to put out both networks though, which I'm pretty sure it would? I think all do at this point and some also have 6.0.

I do not know what mod you are using for VRChat or what the requirements really are so I cannot speak on it actually working for your purposes.

The purpose of the above device is to extend the network area. It's just a network repeater.

[barren dew]

"I do not know what mod you are using for VRChat or what the requirements really are so I cannot speak on it actually working for your purposes."

No mods, my physical trackers (Slime Trackers) as I said, require 2.4 GHz to run properly.

[light egret]

oh you mean like to track your legs and stuff?

[barren dew]

How would I know if my network can?

[barren dew]

My body, yes.

[light egret]

what router do you have?

[barren dew]

Uhh

The one they gave me?

[light egret]

There should be a model number on the bottom or back of the router

[barren dew]

One sec i'll see if I can get a pic

[light egret]

Note: All Spectrum routers support 2.4 and 5 GHz frequencies, while some also support 6 GHz. If the router has a single WiFi network name, the advanced router will select the correct connection for your device.2.4 GHz has slower speeds, but offers the furthest range of any of these frequencies.

I would assume it would be able to autoassign to 2.4 but lemme look it up

[barren dew]

Do you want the serial number?

[light egret]

no

there should be a model number

how did you go about setting up your trackers? I'm looking up the process and wanna make sure they were set up right

[nocturne flicker]

You can usually split it by logging into the router's admin page on a connected computer and tweak the settings and create a wifi option that only does a specific band

I did it with my Xfinity router a while back when we didn't have Orbis

[barren dew]

Model number is: TM1602A

And this is what it looks like

[light egret]

did you go into your network settings to check for that? it's usually something like 192.168.1.1 in the url bar

[junior willow]

Nerds

[light egret]

you can open cmd and type ipconfig and find your IPV4 address and change the last number to a 1 i think

or it will be on the label on your modem

[barren dew]

On my other network I no longer have access too I could go into advanced settings, go to proffered bandwidth and set it to 2.4

[barren dew]

Sure one sec

[light egret]

you should have a setting to split the network into 2.4 and 5.0 so you'd have to connect to htem individually

however this all being said, you can connect your pc via wire and it should still work. If you connect the device properly, from what I see online, it should auto assign 2.4 to it

[barren dew]

I have my cmd prompt open what do I type?

When I type IPV4 it came up with nothing

[light egret]

ipconfig

look for ipv4 after that

your subnet mask should be 255.255.255.0, if so then all you have to do is look at your ipv4 and change the last number to a 1

and type that into your address bar

[barren dew]

I try to run ipconfig from my run command and nothing pops up

Should I type ipconfig into my cmd bar?

[light egret]

in cmd, yes

[barren dew]

Okay I type it

How do I edit it..?

I could send a screenshot, but it has addresses that I could potentially dox myself with xD

[light egret]

so press start button, type cmd, enter. Type ipconfig in the box that pops up. press enter. A list of info will show up. Under Wireless LAN adapater you will see a list of addresses. Look for the IPv4 address. Take note of what it says. Make sure the subnet mask is 255.255.255.0. Take your IPv4 and change that last octet into a 1. So if your IP is 192.168.1.122, you're going to go into your browser and type 192.168.1.1

do you understand what I mean?

It should most likely be 192.168.1.1 for you but that's not always the case.

[barren dew]

Ah it says " IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.171"

[light egret]

so yeah, in your internet browser, type in 192.168.1.1

You should get a login page.

[light egret]

Your user and pass may be something like Admin and Password

[barren dew]

Its literally stopping me xD

[light egret]

you can click advanced and click take me there. It's your own private network so theres nothing sketch there

[barren dew]

Gotcha alright I am here...

[light egret]

Normally if you see that page, go back. But in this case, you don't have to worry

[light egret]

ok so you may see a picture telling you where your user and pass is. If not, try Admin and password

[barren dew]

This is what I am getting now

[light egret]

what is at the bottom? Is that it?

[barren dew]

This is the rest

[light egret]

huh. Alright gimme a min

is there anywhere that says Login?

[barren dew]

Does not look like it, no.

[light egret]

you may have to scan that barcode with your phone and use the app. I've never seen that before.

[barren dew]

one sec

[mental yoke]

July 4th is the worst day in my friends lifetime

Worst holiday in his opinion

[light egret]

i mean its not the best

but why

[mental yoke]

Hes german

And uh

He served in the army when whats his face was the boss

[barren dew]

Alright I am signed in throguh the app

Now what?

[light egret]

ok so in the settings do you see wifi settings

[barren dew]

"Set up Smart Device on 2.4GHz"?

[velvet summit]

https://youtube.com/shorts/F2j9mWgxV0o?si=kR-seKHww2uXHJun

[light egret]

you could try that. What is the process to connect your tracker?

[barren dew]

Open Application (SlimeVR Server) > Plug a Tracker in > Enter new Internet Credentials > Have the data transfer to them > Done.

[light egret]

ok click on that and see if it gives you an option to specifically set a 2.4 ghz network for the devices

[light egret]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-fireworks-silly-gif-17349734

[mental yoke]

My friend and I are german

[barren dew]

It worked, but only for 30 minutes

[mental yoke]

Soooo

[light egret]

what do you mean by it worked? If you use that 30 min to connect your devices, they hsould stay connected

[velvet summit]

they use 2.4ghz but only on some routers may run into issues with the combined band, but usually not, since they're on completely different frequencies, and the wifi chip on the trackers are 2.4ghz only

[barren dew]

Nono as in I need a constant 2.4 GHz stream

[light egret]

it should stay connected on a constant 2.4 stream.

[dusk knot]

The quiet place:day one wasn't that bad....

[light egret]

I think it's basically forcing only connection to 2.4 for that 30 min, so that you can connect it. It shouldn't just disconnect after that 30 min is up as long as it was connected.

[mental yoke]

Huh

[velvet summit]

or rather they support 2.4ghz and bluetooth

[mental yoke]

Do you recommend i watch it

[velvet summit]

though the firmware doesnt support bluetooth yet

(it's a work in progress though idk if there's a release for that yet)

[light egret]

I don't hate 4th of july, but I do hate that everyone around me is going to start firing their guns into the air until 2am.

[mental yoke]

I mean ive been hated 4th of july

Ive always hated it

[velvet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-who-asked-who-asked-meme-meme-gif-24590276

[light egret]

it's just another holiday to me lol. I don't care about most holidays.

I like christmas and thanksgiving. But thanksgiving only cause food.

[random osprey]

how much money do they have to be firing that many bullets in this economy

[light egret]

i mean i live in an area where everyone is broke. Idk why they spend so much money firing guns into the air.

[velvet summit]

every time i look at the price of fireworks and im like.... yep not playing with those for another year

(they continue to get more expensive)

[light egret]

i mean the grass here lights on fire on it's own. I don't need the help of fireworks lmao

[velvet summit]

lmao

[barren dew]

Btw this is what I mean

[light egret]

ok but are you able to connect your devices now?

[barren dew]

Technically yes... but if it reverts back to a 5 Ghz they will not work...

[velvet summit]

i doubt it's 5ghz only

[light egret]

if the network reverts back to 5ghz, it will still produce a 2.4 ghz channel, allowing them to stay connected.

[velvet summit]

i think all this is doing is disabling the 5ghz band

so you can connect easier

[light egret]

yeah^

[velvet summit]

most routers in existence are either 2.4ghz + 5ghz, or 2.4ghz only

5ghz only access points are relatively rare

[light egret]

or 2.4ghz+5ghz+6ghz

[velvet summit]

yeah that as well

[light egret]

but that one is rare

[velvet summit]

well, not as much

[light egret]

but pretty much all routers put out a 2.4 frequency

I guess it's more common now but still not crazy common yet

[velvet summit]

ALOT of IoT devices need 2.4ghz

the wemos d1 mini used in DIY slimevr trackers are microcontrollers designed for use in IoT applications

for low power draw

and wireless access

not sure if they also use the same chip on the official slimes

[sinful blade]

Anyone got $90

MSI but still

[dusk knot]

Yeah....it's a 7/10 imo

[velvet summit]

terrible aib cooler design

kill it

[mental yoke]

Sendin’ it rn

[rancid juniper]

Common Xbox L

[sinful blade]

Pls

[mental yoke]

980 Ti’s!??

Two of them?!?

For $100?!?

[sinful blade]

Gib it

I’ll do questionable things for a build

[velvet summit]

fe edition though

that was a redundant word that was redundant

me when the founders edition edition walks in the room

[fresh nova]

On it boss.

[rancid juniper]

kinda nice ngl

[barren dew]

Btw this is what it looks like if you were wondering @light egret

[light egret]

Nice. I've never heard of those before lol

[velvet summit]

open source imu based tracking

why are you tracking just one leg though lol

[barren dew]

Oh I was doing it while I tpyed that to you lmao

[velvet summit]

lmao

[barren dew]

All done

[velvet summit]

now time for the arduous process of mounting calibration and autobone

(it's not that hard)

[barren dew]

Its more of a pain getting them strapped on

[velvet summit]

this is why some people just leave them on under their clothes ☠️

[barren dew]

It takes like 2 minutes to calibrate them

[barren dew]

Yeah, no. A replacement tracker is $90 so I am not doing that

[velvet summit]

90?

[barren dew]

I'd be scared i'd break something

Yep

[velvet summit]

are you using officials?

[barren dew]

No

[velvet summit]

oh

[barren dew]

Yeah

[velvet summit]

officials if you break the case, usually they'll send a warranty case replacement

also where the hell you buying a $90 single slimevr tracker?

i feel like you're getting scammed lmao

a bno085 from slimevr is like $12

the wemos d1 mini should be like $2

[barren dew]

Compared to offical ones I can reliably get mine when i order them in about 2 weeks and with 24/hr customer and warrenty support.

[velvet summit]

who did you buy them from

[barren dew]

Nyx Tracking

[velvet summit]

oh....

you got scammed

[barren dew]

What?

Not really? Been using them for over a year and never had issues

[velvet summit]

wait, no it wasnt nyx i think, might have been another tracker

some 3 letter name

[barren dew]

I know the ones you are referring to

They used Super Glue on a Motherboard xD

[velvet summit]

lmao

yeah looking at the message logs, nyx is fine asides from the value

[barren dew]

Tbf I didnt buy my trackers

A friend did and I wasnt gonna say no to free FBT

[velvet summit]

ah

if you didnt pay for them, then that's just stonks

lmao

also you dont have to buy more nyx trackers if you want more

[barren dew]

Its a brand I am familiar with

[velvet summit]

you can use a mishmash of random slimevr compatible tracker devices to make up your fbt

[barren dew]

What kills me is the shipping costs

[velvet summit]

hell, you can even use like, 4 nyx and 1 phone

[barren dew]

Its like $35 for shipping

[velvet summit]

i wouldnt recommend buying any more nyx

[barren dew]

Any alternatives?

[velvet summit]

look in https://discord.com/channels/817184208525983775/1058335815614341240 which has generally good sellers (the forum is moderated)

[barren dew]

Huh... I could use better feet tracking

[velvet summit]

and if you plan to buy them in a few months, the official trackers should be out of preorder and be in stock for new orders in a few months

[barren dew]

I didnt know this existed. Thank you

[velvet summit]

np

[barren dew]

I am iffy about the officals I remember a streamer I am editing videos for was trying to get her and her husbands trackers, and they kept getting delayed on shipping

[velvet summit]

yeah, they ran into a few issues

they got stopped by the FCC

due to the chip not being validated for use near humans

specifically the wifi chip

[barren dew]

So they thought it was a bomb or something?

[velvet summit]

that's solved now

nah, just there's regulations of maximum RF and such

[barren dew]

Ah

[velvet summit]

this was solved back in late feb iirc?

they're now working on finishing all 2023 orders

which should be done in 1-2 months to be shipped

2024 orders probably another 2 months if i were to guess

but yeah some people on that server had waited over 2 years for their trackers lmao
though they have them now

all 2022 orders should have arrived in the hands of the backers? unless the postal system is being goofy, though at this point, it's not slimevr's issues, just the postal system

[barren dew]

Lets be real

The Postal System is always goofy

[dusk knot]

Hm

[barren dew]

Ohi JP

[velvet summit]

lol true

[dusk knot]

Hey

[storm narwhal]

Nay

[idle stream]

hi

[velvet summit]

We are but men

Rock

https://tenor.com/view/tenacious-d-jack-black-rock-school-of-rock-gif-10099042

[ivory linden]

@sweet phoenix which prebuild would you reccommend out of these two my friend wanted me to ask

@fresh nova

what you think ?

[sweet phoenix]

https://www.newegg.com/skytech-st-shadow4-1121-b-ne/p/3D5-000Z-001H2?Item=3D5-000Z-001H2&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-3D5-000Z-001H2-_-07042024

For sure

[deep parcel]

wow thats not a bad deal

[sweet phoenix]

DIY comparison
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cPC69c

although i wouldn't do that build if going the building yourself route'

[dusk knot]

Wow great price

[fresh nova]

MSI One for sure.

Getting 4070 Super & 2TB storage for $99 more.

Plus it's MSI I like their products.

[idle nexus]

Personally, I'd recommend taking advantage of dark mode on newegg's website lol

[cedar compass]

Ew dark mode

Only thing I use in dark mode is discord because white theme on discord really sux

[dusk knot]

iPad pro M2 or M4 for digital painting and future graphic design applications?

[velvet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477071178742366219/1257770485916237895/image-161.png?ex=6686ef0c&is=66859d8c&hm=c07dc0dc5b0f538146711831ebf8121ea0a701ea82427f4a9ce984a5dd360256&

[velvet summit]

What does future graphic design mean

Just drawing?

Or doing animation as well or smth

[dusk knot]

3d sculpting. I was vague

[velvet summit]

I'd probably say go for the m4?

[dusk knot]

[velvet summit]

Idk, m2 might be enough already tho

[dusk knot]

$400 difference

[velvet summit]

Depends on how hard you go

[dusk knot]

I'm watching a ton of videos

I will see

Honestly I can just do 3d rendering on my PC

🤔

Ig last gen iPad pro will do

[storm narwhal]

even last last gen ipad pro would do for media consumption

might i also suggest, the samsung tab s9 lineup

[dusk knot]

Hhhmmmm

[storm narwhal]

has quickshare so you can send files to and from your other android or windows pc

except for .jar files

apparently

good screen too

snapdragon 8 gen 2 chip iirc

yuuge battery

keep in mind it is 16:9 aspect ratio

but it comes with the pen

[dusk knot]

Right right

How much ram?

[storm narwhal]

12?

12

yes

[dusk knot]

[storm narwhal]

10,000mah battery

and you also still get to use GoodLock

there were also a bunch of sales earlier for the tab s9 lineup too

there's also the samsung AI crap if you care about that lmao

[dusk knot]

AI isn't my primary focus atm

That would have to be done on my desktop

[storm narwhal]

imo the ai stuff is pretty niche anyway

[dusk knot]

For now

But it's the future

[storm narwhal]

also true

[dusk knot]

For my field of work

[storm narwhal]

but i suppose not really something you'd consider for a tablet

again, pc is way better at ai anything

[dusk knot]

Indeed

In a decade it's going to be nuts!

[storm narwhal]

also the s9 can also be used as a second screen with windows

just like sidecar with macs

[dusk knot]

Hmm

Tempting

[storm narwhal]

your choice haha

some apps can still be unoptimized for the s9 lineup, as is the nature of the play store

but with a little tweaking and GoodLock it can almost completely fix most of the issues

namely just sizing and vertical only mode apps

[pseudo raven]

i have the tab s9+

its good

you can run linux pretty well too

[storm narwhal]

that i don't know anything about

the ultra is freakin huge tho

14 inch tablet

[dusk knot]

Hmmm

[storm narwhal]

and it still survived jerryrigeverything

unlike the newest ipad lmao

[dusk knot]

My brain is pulsating

[storm narwhal]

that thing folded like a book kekw

it's not a bad choice at all imo

[random osprey]

whichever you choose, at least youre too old to be called an ipad kid, jp

unc jp 👴

[storm narwhal]

ipad uncle

[dusk knot]

I don't know if I should be offended but you got a point

[storm narwhal]

maybe a little offended

[dusk knot]

😤

[random osprey]

we're all old

[dusk knot]

Yeah

[storm narwhal]

the sun baby from teletubbies has a baby

we are all old

[dusk knot]

Some are older than others

[storm narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/stutter-gif-20593978

this kid? he's old enough to explain what he was trying to say

I think he's like an adult

[mental yoke]

Is Bacca awake?

[dusk knot]

The Samsung tab 9+ is looking tempting, also you can use Wacom pens on it.....@storm narwhal

[mental yoke]

I need a $800 pure price to performance pc build

Uhm, is this good???

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FhMVVW

@dusk knot can you help me out?

Sorry for ping

Idk if this is good..

[dusk knot]

👀

Show me

[mental yoke]

^

Its a pure performance $800 build with some aesthetics

[dusk knot]

God..I'm blind

[mortal grail]

Need wifi yes or no

[dusk knot]

Give me a sec

[mental yoke]

No.

Cuz I have ethernet.

Is it good or not???

[mortal grail]

No

[dusk knot]

Dr.feet has your feet...I mean back

[mental yoke]

….

[dusk knot]

Great techie

[mortal grail]

Your feet

[mental yoke]

No.

U can’t have them.

[dusk knot]

[mental yoke]

Is the PC build good for $800 or does it need some fixing?

[mortal grail]

I am fixing

Pls hold the line

[mental yoke]

Okay.

I’m being forced by my own laziness and my lack of sleep to build myself a new PC for literally no reason whatsoever.

I’m up at 2:20 am for nothing. (This is normal for me and I don’t know why)

[mortal grail]

800 flat

or is rollover ok

[mental yoke]

A little rollover is fine

Just not too much, yk?

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vRGPCd
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805730576638.html
Verify the seller first

I see a good seller on this one personally

[subtle gust]

surface laptop comes with 64 which... eh, it seems overpriced, but the battery sounds decent

[storm narwhal]

Oh yeah it supports all EMS pens

[elfin mural]

what do you need 128 gigs for on a laptop

[storm narwhal]

I think that's the name of the protocol

[elfin mural]

i'm genuinely curious

especially on a non performance focused laptop

[mental yoke]

BRIH

I CANT SAY THAT

NOOOO

[mortal grail]

Most of all laptops support 128gb but I can't think of a single situation where you'd need that much if not a server

[elfin mural]

^

[mortal grail]

Which a ddr3 rig would do for like $200

[mental yoke]

He’s either trying to have the same laptop as NASA, or staring at a bunch of anime waifus on multiple tabs.

There.

[mortal grail]

Not to mention most laptops now are ddr5 and 128gb ddr5 is nigh on impossible to run

DDR5 wasn't designed for 128gb

[storm narwhal]

It's EMR

[mortal grail]

Actually you know what I'm wrong

Sorry

[mental yoke]

Y’all remember JSR Reality Hood?

Or whatever his name was

[mortal grail]

No laptops do 128gb unless they have 4 slots

64gb max

I wasn't thinking

[mental yoke]

Didn’t he have an issue with his ram crashing every time he used it in quad channel???

[elfin mural]

might want a pc

[mortal grail]

Pretty sure 64 is max

[elfin mural]

no laptops rn support over 64

[subtle gust]

and its gotta be a laptop cause need portable

[mental yoke]

Desktop DDR5 is much more expensive than laptop varient is

[elfin mural]

nah

[mortal grail]

DDR5 wasn't designed for 128gb anyway

[elfin mural]

it's the opposite

[mortal grail]

4 slot was a feature added last minute

[mental yoke]

Lemme research rq

[elfin mural]

you can have 6000c30

for similar price or less than 5200 sodimms

[mortal grail]

if you can find 2x48 sodimm that will be the absolute highest

[elfin mural]

the laptop has to have 4 slots to take over 64

[mental yoke]

Yeah.

[mortal grail]

You need 4 slots for 128

[elfin mural]

so unfortunately

[mental yoke]

Most laptops only come with like 2 right?

[elfin mural]

you might have to get bulky laptops

those workstation replacements

[mortal grail]

Genuine suggestion, get a good desktop, use remote desktop to connect to that with a cheap laptop over wifi

You can now access high ram capacity

[mental yoke]

Wellll, unless you get one of these things

[mortal grail]

128 is just not achievable

Like

Not possible on a current gen laptop

At all

[elfin mural]

that thing has only 2 slots of ram

[mortal grail]

It needs 4 slots and a vast majority of laptops in existence don't have

[mental yoke]

Or this.

[mortal grail]

And any ddr5 in 4 slot is extremely difficult to run

[mental yoke]

Yea

I heard its unstable right?

Even on desktops

[mortal grail]

3600MHz (Yes, DDR4 speeds*) is the expectation

[mental yoke]

Quad channel DDR5

[subtle gust]

not a big hw person, so genuinely asking, why?

[mental yoke]

Doesn’t run very well

[mental yoke]

Just what I said

[subtle gust]

oh like system crashing???

[mortal grail]

It's 8 channels

[mental yoke]

Anyone wanna chill and listen to Minecraft Music Box with me?

[mortal grail]

DDR4 is 4 channel but by wide bit

DDR5 is 8 channel at half the rate but at much higher speeds

It's extremely stressful on the memory hardware to run that much

It's not like adding a new SSD let's just say, lol

[mental yoke]

Higher mhz = more likely to crash sometimes if your pc can’t handle it

Alright imma try to go to sleep now

[mortal grail]

Well it's more that, 128gb was possible on ddr4, and come ddr5, we are using mostly the same memory controllers but much higher speeds

So the strain is a lot higher

[subtle gust]

ah, that makes sense I suppose

ty for the explanation

[mortal grail]

Yeah, even for 96gb this is going to be really hard to run

64 is the safe bet

[subtle gust]

i was just hoping to get an upgrade w/ more ram and better battery

im just gonna start lugging around a desktop with a UPS

[mortal grail]

Better battery in a laptop is really difficult

If you're looking for full performance, you can get a higher W/h capacity

But not much more you can really do

Laptops are much better at saving power these days when doing basic tasks but otherwise power is power

So buying a 4090 laptop is not going to make you have better battery life

Ryzen mobile is excellent for efficiency though, very handy for on the go power savings

But far from perfect

[subtle gust]

funny enough i was looking at macbooks(apple hate aside) cause just in terms of hw and battery thye got close and ik my old macbook(intel) lasted forever back in 2018

unfortunately i cant work with a non-x86 cpu with what i do

[mortal grail]

Apple is like the best for battery life but the worst for workstation

Ryzen gets close

Intel is...

You can make it sorta Ryzen-ish but you gotta turn a bunch of knobs

Ultimately for a performance pc you're looking at a battery life of a couple hours

[subtle gust]

oh jeez

so

[mortal grail]

Even for the new stuff

Power is power lol

Not worth

[subtle gust]

no numpad though 🙃

[mortal grail]

Numpad aside you probably don't want MacOS

And being arm-based you'd be looking at linux for the best outcome then

[subtle gust]

gonna see if they support x86 translation

[mortal grail]

Sorry my keyboard cut off

They do x86 it's just

[subtle gust]

So obviously performance wouldn't be great but it does look like they could support it

[mortal grail]

You gotta do windows inside macos

[subtle gust]

oh thats fine

[mortal grail]

It's kinda kneecapped

[subtle gust]

performance really isn't the primary focus so like

I could absolutely consider that

[mortal grail]

I still go back to my original suggestion

Remote in to a 128gb rig

Make an intel system with 128gb ddr4, whatever gpu you need

Use anything for a laptop

Get an M1 air

[subtle gust]

actually thats an idea

[mortal grail]

Use parsec

[subtle gust]

i could see if i could find a nuc or something

[mortal grail]

Then you can have 8 hours battery

And then remote in as you need

[subtle gust]

theyre low power usually and i could lug it around

[mortal grail]

It's waayyyyy better

Yeah a nuc works too

Wayyy easier

And cheaper by miles

Like half the price almost

Watch me doodle up something quick, in the meantime, go look up the price of a used apple m1

M1 air

@subtle gust do you need wifi for a desktop here mate

[subtle gust]

hmm, realsitically probably not

[mortal grail]

Hmm I'll continue with it in mind anyway

[subtle gust]

oh it's fine if it does, i probably wont use it like that though

[mortal grail]

How much storage

You said virtualisation, need a strong cpu or gpu?

[subtle gust]

Ehh, I mean not a pentium lol

[mortal grail]

Let's establish the kind of virtualisation

[subtle gust]

No gpu

[mortal grail]

No gpu?

[subtle gust]

no gpu

[mortal grail]

So just basic display

[subtle gust]

dont even need display

im gonna use it as a portable server that I'll remote into lol

[mortal grail]

Well I'll have it with an igpu so not headless

[subtle gust]

thats fine too

[mortal grail]

How much storage do you think you need

[subtle gust]

just no dedicated cause i dont wanna deal w that power draw

I've got plenty of drives, but if it supports m.2 and sata that'd be cool

[mortal grail]

It will

Got a main drive?

I'll pop a suggestion in here anyway

[subtle gust]

I'll take any recs you got

[mortal grail]

Do you need it to be small

Like case size

[subtle gust]

for context, I'm gonna be running a number of containers and keeping a roughly 80GB file in memory

the smaller the better yeah

[mortal grail]

Weird suggestion

Case with a screen

Would that be convenient?

You'd have to look for this version though, bit tricky to find

[subtle gust]

eh? probably not due to power draw but if that's what gets me closer to the desired goal

oh yknow what

lemme check something

[mortal grail]

Alr

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9-5900xt-and-ryzen-7-5800xt-new-am4-cpus-slated-for-july-31-release

wth

[subtle gust]

nvm, i was like "Hmmmm toughbooks maybe?" but those look like they run pretty lame hw

[mortal grail]

Do you want ram capacity more or better linux performance

[subtle gust]

100% ram capacity

[mortal grail]

Ok

Do you want a good power supply for 24/7, and high capacity? Or just sufficient

If this is an always online system then 24/7 you can make back a few extra $

[subtle gust]

oh nothing 24/7

[mortal grail]

But not worth a hundred

[subtle gust]

its not like lives depend on me running containers lol

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qGqRcH

To that effect basically

SSD by suggestion, if you want storage suggestions I'm all ears

[subtle gust]

huh thats actually very affordable

and nw, i would be putting ssds in

oh

checking how many drives it supports

cause i mean

if I can slap more in it

oh okay thats not bad

[mortal grail]

So 4 ssd, 4 sata

I believe that should not share lanes bar one m.2

And you have slots for add in cards

As well as wifi anyway cos why not for $20

[subtle gust]

surprised at the price tbh

[mortal grail]

The bottom two slots might be x4 or x1 though just double check if that's important to you

Buying boards with high slot lane count is tough these days

[mental yoke]

Nah dawg

[mortal grail]

Cos you can do this a LOT cheaper really

If cpu is no concern you can go down to Xeon and DDR3

Cut the price almost in half if not more

[mental yoke]

There’s some kids laughing and its coming from by the cornfield…

[subtle gust]

ehhh i mean, id rather not go back to ddr3, its not that old lol

[subtle gust]

oh heck naw

thats a horror movie

[mortal grail]

It's an option tho

[subtle gust]

stay inside

[mental yoke]

But the thing is

There’s no kids that live around here

I know everyone who lives around this place

[mortal grail]

The part take from the list anyway, it can take an added dGPU if you need one

[mental yoke]

And none of them have kids

[mortal grail]

Up to about, 4070 super max

Maybe a bit lower

4070/3070-ish/2080ti?

It's not as an unnecessary extra

Just because the psu is like the cheapest good for the cpu

Lol

[subtle gust]

oh lol no id wanna stay far away from a gpu

still wanna keep it as low power as possible

[mortal grail]

Ye ik

[mental yoke]

Did you see what i said

Theres no kids that live around here at all

[subtle gust]

oh jeez

um

pls be safe

[mental yoke]

And its 3 am

And i live in the middle of nowhere…

[mortal grail]

Lad turn on the lights

[subtle gust]

nono

lock doors and remain hidden

be safe

[mental yoke]

This ar15 is gonna keep me safe

I think

[mortal grail]

Yes lock doors obv

[subtle gust]

children are degenerates

and windows

lock windows

WIN+L

im sorry

[mental yoke]

I might be just hearing things cuz im tired

[subtle gust]

okok i gotta get back to studying for this cert but ty for helping @mortal grail

i appreciate it 🙂

[mortal grail]

Np

But you add that to a cheap apple m1

And it's like

2 grand

Vs 6.3 you said?

And plain better lol

Food for thought

GL

[storm narwhal]

NUC you could consider something form Minisforum

there's some that uses oculink, and they also released a gpu+psu dock that also runs over oculink

[lone mango]

I havent had any major issues with amd drivers but there is something weird with instant replay

The last few seconds have no audio

Ima try to change some settings or reinstalling because I cant seem to find my issue online

People will talk about having no audio at all but mine just cuts out a bit before it ends

[tranquil pebble]

kb has shipped

[devout forum]

nice

Keychron is pretty goated honestly

[tranquil pebble]

one of the few companies that makes this kind of kb in JIS layout

Razer keebs can go die in a fire

[devout forum]

lol

Rzr

[tranquil pebble]

I have a mouse from them and its pretty good but their keebs are trash

[devout forum]

fair

[storm narwhal]

Yeah their mice are nice

[velvet summit]

i see people complaining that their keyboards died really fast and my like 7 year old blackwidow v2 has not had a single issue

it's definitely not buttery smooth though, but they're also not lubed switches

[remote geode]

should i start lubing up

my g501 or something

[opaque sedge]

Guys is this ssd worth using as a second drive? I was planning on building with this initially but ended up getting a 2tb crucial t500, just forgot to return this

My mobo only has 2 more nvme slots left

[icy ore]

I mean you’ve already got it so yeah for sure

[velvet summit]

if it's a prebuilt keyboard its not worth it

especially if it's a soldered board

[dusk knot]

Does anyone here have an iPad? How bad is file management really?

[cedar compass]

isn't it a thing that finally got calculator recently ?

[sinful blade]

I’ve had

File management is definitely file management

[dusk knot]

So its fine..ok

[sinful blade]

Get it used

That’s my suggestion

I got my 4th gen used
I sold it recently but it did its job

[dusk knot]

Why?

[sinful blade]

Not worth the money new

[velvet summit]

i mean, doesnt it still have one of the best pen support

outside of the even more expensive drawing tablets

[sinful blade]

Yes

[velvet summit]

that's what jp wants it for

[sinful blade]

Advice still stands

Don’t waste the money new
Apple pens are like $20 used too

1st gen***

@dusk knot get matching gen stuff
Make sure it’s compatible

1st gen apple pens only work up to a certain iPad generation

[dusk knot]

Hmm

I've been hearing about this often

Because $1234 for an iPad pro is costly

@sinful blade I was thinking of getting the last gen iPad pro...I save $400

But that tandem OLED screen is whispering in my ear

[plain stone]

behold

[dusk knot]

Wires and doggo

[rancid juniper]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-discontinues-core-i9-12900ks-and-10th-gen-core-cpus-marking-the-slow-end-of-14nm-era

[dusk knot]

Good

[rancid juniper]

💯

[elfin mural]

for art

tbh ipad pro makes sense

considering how expensive drawing tablets are

[high star]

ipad pro is a great device imo

learned to draw on it, took notes on it, mobile esports

[velvet summit]

it isnt a question about if an ipad is good or not, but more of a if jp should buy a new current gen ipad, or a used previous gen ipad

[elfin mural]

the latest one uses oled

so that's even better for artsy stuff

[velvet summit]

but would be $400 more

[elfin mural]

true

400 isn't a small amount of money

[high star]

ah i see

old gen is still great imo $400 is steep af

[elfin mural]

i hate apple

but as far as tablets goes

basically any ipad is in my heart lmao

great socs for the time they release

but imma say it here, the ipad pro should probably use macos now

since the day apple started stuffing M1

[high star]

thats lowk a great idea

[dusk knot]

Damn

The Samsung tab 9+ is a great one...

More ram and a more familiar OS

[rancid juniper]

Me after looking at snapdragon performance on windows: 🗿

[dusk knot]

Well thanks for the input, guys

[rancid juniper]

Wait, are you drawing again?

[dusk knot]

Yeah

[rancid juniper]

Sweet

[dusk knot]

My Wacom intuos is just too boring to use

[rancid juniper]

Bro is gonna drop that tablet the moment he gets a samsung

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-i-dont-want-to-play-andy-woody-sad-gif-17075553

CAR

closeup

[opaque sedge]

What game is that?

Interesting color theme

[rancid juniper]

ZenlessZoneZero

[opaque sedge]

Huh

[rancid juniper]

its a "gacha game"

[opaque sedge]

Oh so its free

Well free till u decide its not ig

[elfin mural]

hoyoverse

another nice game

but gacha aspect ruins it basically

tmr i might try it

[opaque sedge]

Oh from genshin

Haven’t played in a good while

[rancid juniper]

it is very expressive, the design actually pops

[elfin mural]

i wanna roll for von lycaon tho

for obvious reasons

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[elfin mural]

[opaque sedge]

This guy?

[elfin mural]

yes

[opaque sedge]

Reminds me of that dog police from the police themed power rangers show

[rancid juniper]

just look at footage like ZZZ animation or just battles

it is very stylistic

[elfin mural]

i love the style of the game

also that wolf guy got me hooked instantly lmao

knowing it's from hoyoverse

it's fun

[opaque sedge]

Guys what should i do about this? Bothering me a lot in elden ring

[dusk knot]

honk honk

[rancid juniper]

vroom

[rancid juniper]

search this >>> toggle everything off

[opaque sedge]

Got it

The tree sentinel killed me btw

[rancid juniper]

☠️

[opaque sedge]

I got it down to 10% hp for the first time this week

And the sticky keys showed up

I can only tank like 2 hits from that thing

[velvet summit]

oh hey they have the nothing in ears in early access

7.5 on comfort

overall rating on the Nothing Ear Truly Wireless is quite positive

7.5hr per charge for the in ears, and with the case it becomes 45.3 hours

[rancid juniper]

i think my next headphones will be something with both wireless + wired capabilities

just gonna save up a bit

[velvet summit]

for the same price as the airpods 3rd gen (not pro), you get more comfortable fit, more neutral sound, same build quality, a better fit (because you can change ear tips), and generally better audio quality

[rancid juniper]

airpods are an auto no for me, same with all other earbuds

😂

[round glade]

what would a used EVGA RTX 2080 SUPER XC ULTRA OC go for?

[velvet summit]

☠️

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[round glade]

@rancid juniper if you compared it to the 3060 would it be better?

[rancid juniper]

yea its better than the 3060

[velvet summit]

if you do vr, 3060 12gb might be better purely because it has more vram, though honestly i'd still go for the 2080

[rancid juniper]

any thoughts on this?

sounds too good to be true

[dusk knot]

I'm sorry guys

I have to get the iPad pro

[velvet summit]

rtings rates "Anker Soundcore Life Q20 Wireless" as the best cheap wireless headphone

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/really-spongebob-funny-fish-stare-gif-17712834

[velvet summit]

https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/best/budget-wireless-headphones#recommendation_314224

[dusk knot]

OLED and 120hz is kinda...

[velvet summit]

should be more like 80usd or smth idk

[rancid juniper]

hmm ill take a look

[rancid juniper]

you're paying apple tax bro

[dusk knot]

You're putting pressure on me!!!

[rancid juniper]

i mean its up to you and your wallet lmao

[velvet summit]

looking closer though, technically speaking anker has replaced it with the q35
though rtings didnt change the rating

[elfin mural]

q35 is stil decent

[rancid juniper]

Q20 HAS AUX

[velvet summit]

this was updated in june

[dusk knot]

I will pay it off monthly with a credit card

Zero interest

[velvet summit]

"pass the aux cord"

[rancid juniper]

will do

lol

[velvet summit]

i use the q45 and that also has 3.5mm input

i used it wired quite a bit

[rancid juniper]

does the BT sound good?

[elfin mural]

i use arctis 1 wireless

[velvet summit]

well, the q45 definitely did

[elfin mural]

aux mode tho

it has a fairly neutral sound somehow

[velvet summit]

there was a bit of a delay though... because well, bluetooth

[elfin mural]

rtings gave it decent ratings

[velvet summit]

which is unsurprising

[rancid juniper]

BT is such a weird wireless standard

sus

Q30 has lower hours than Q20

what???

[elfin mural]

different measurements i guess

[rancid juniper]

i see

[dusk knot]

iPad pro M2

[opaque sedge]

💀

Fu dynoegg

[dusk knot]

Damn it

Watch your language

[opaque sedge]

Oh the m2

That’s like

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/aesthetic-anime-guns-loading-gun-locked-and-load-gif-12379724

[opaque sedge]

Half a 4080 probably

[dusk knot]

Kinda

[opaque sedge]

Refurb?

[dusk knot]

New

[opaque sedge]

Bruh

[opaque sedge]

Refurb macs are a good deal tho apparently

The m1pro macbooks are going for like 1.2k or smth

[dusk knot]

I need a tablet

To paint and draw

Not another laptop

[rancid juniper]

nah you need another laptop

[sinful blade]

Me when I looked at an item

[rancid juniper]

a 1080

what was your current gpu again?

[sinful blade]

Lemme check

Can’t read the letters
Can anyone else?

[rancid juniper]

bruh

[elfin mural]

air gpu

[sinful blade]

I’m broke so I can’t anyways lmao

[rancid juniper]

☠️

[sinful blade]

I just looked at the listing and got an offer 2 hours later

[dusk knot]

That must be some super advanced technology

[sinful blade]

If I spin really fast I can probably be a human PSU

[elfin mural]

invisible gpu

[sinful blade]

But I already have a PSU

[rancid juniper]

[elfin mural]

new tech to hide your gamer gpu from your wife

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-anime-anime-girl-hitori-gotou-avoiding-issue-gif-27031923

[sinful blade]

Me too Theo

[elfin mural]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/99142/windows-11-government-edition-has-zero-bloatware-no-system-requirements/index.html

ayo

OFFICIALLY DEBLOATED BY MS

[sinful blade]

How much is it tho

[rancid juniper]

thats hella disgusting

[elfin mural]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cooling/noctuas-next-gen-flagship-cpu-cooler-finally-arrives-noctua-nh-d15-g2-released-at-dollar150

150 DOLLARS?

Insane

At this point, just get an aio for real

[rancid juniper]

i'd take thermalright anytime of the week

[elfin mural]

Thermosiphon tho

But like

Is it worth it to have a couple extra degrees less cpu temp

For a $150 air cooler

[unreal trail]

💀

[rancid juniper]

found these @sinful blade lol

[lone mango]

Just started ac

Idk i might stick with gt

[velvet summit]

actual measurements

though

i just noticed it was microusb so that might be a turn off for some people

i didnt have an issue with it on my previous cheaper headphones, but yeah

[elfin mural]

my arctis has micro usb for charge port too

[velvet summit]

i still keep a microusb at my desk though to charge my flashlight and power some stuff

but other than that, personally i try to get usb whenever possible

between it being more durable and i could just use the same charger for everything, i prefer usbc now

hell

i charge my phone and my headphones and such with a wacom usbc power brick

[rancid juniper]

Aw man no type-c?

[velvet summit]

tbf it is older

[rancid juniper]

I guess I'll save the q30 on my list

There is another headphone I was looking at, it's a bit more expensive but it is the Sony ch-wh720n. Can you look into that?

[velvet summit]

if you want ldac, you can get the q35 for a little bit more

[rancid juniper]

Mm

[velvet summit]

rtings hasnt done that sony it seems

[rancid juniper]

Pretty sure they did

😳

[velvet summit]

wait

huh why didnt it come out in the search

[rancid juniper]

I spelt it wrong sorry XD https://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sony/wh-ch720n-wireless

[elfin mural]

chinese 720

jk

[rancid juniper]

Lel

[velvet summit]

lmfao

overall

[elfin mural]

meh

passable

[velvet summit]

comfort is rated the same

[rancid juniper]

When the meh is big

[elfin mural]

lol

[velvet summit]

q30/35 has 8 hours more battery life

[rancid juniper]

I don't think I'll ever buy any JBL headphones. They are uncomfortable af

[velvet summit]

all use usbc for charging

[elfin mural]

i dont recc stock arctis 1 setup at all

[velvet summit]

the sony charges about 30 mins slower from 0 - 100

[rancid juniper]

Hmm

[elfin mural]

well sounds good

but the earcups

they're too thin

sometimes they press the driver onto my ears

[velvet summit]

all 3 devices support multiple device paring, and can roam between 2 devices

(e.g. connect it to both the pc and phone at the same time via bluetooth, and whichever is playing audio, the headphone can switch. in my experience, this can be a little janky at times though with some software causing the headphones to think audio is playing)

[elfin mural]

i was about to get stinger core LOL

thank god i didn't

[rancid juniper]

I've never seen that before

[elfin mural]

not cloud stinger core

stinger core

[velvet summit]

the sony has a bluetooth 5.2, the soundcores only have 5.0

[elfin mural]

hyperx's cheapest headset

[rancid juniper]

Higher number = beter

[elfin mural]

5.2 has way lower latency

[velvet summit]

measured latency from rtings is about the same though

[elfin mural]

hrm oke

[velvet summit]

similar range

the soundcore headphones both support nfc pairing to pair faster

though this is basically a one time thing so it doesnt really matter too much honestly

for whatever reason, the q35 also includes that goofy wide airplane adapter

[rancid juniper]

Airplane what? xD

[rancid juniper]

Lmfao

[velvet summit]

the sony headphones dont include a carrying case if that matters to you

personally i just hang my headphones on my neck when im out and not using them, a case is more of a pain

[rancid juniper]

I actually might go for the Q30s

[velvet summit]

more detailed bass response chart

[rancid juniper]

Big hit on the Q30 against sony

oh

XD

[velvet summit]

yeah im not too sure if the q35 is worth it over the q30? for 20 more

though how much more is it for you

[rancid juniper]

$20 more yea

[velvet summit]

yeah idk if it's worth that

they are very similar