got tboned by a large pickup once similar experience... didnt freak out a second before impact, just accepted my fate lol. Apparently that is part of why I got out with no injuries
#general-chat
tranquil pebble
tranquil pebble
scary but I have faith in my Civic safety mechanisms especially after being in an accident with it
mortal grail
Now copper, as a pure metal, is an excellent conductor of heat
Pc tech uses it a lot for heatsinks
But it leads to a very weird situation with amd x3d
tranquil pebble
copper is also good for electricity
mortal grail
The late x3d chips have whats considered a very very thick ihs
Basically this big block of metal above the cpu itself to move heat
And it's not very good at moving it
There's reasons why it's like this
remote geode
when
mortal grail
There's reasons why it's like this
But basically, the big block is supposed to move heat, away from the cpu and the vcache, but because of it's thick nature, it's very bad at doing so
All that heat instead gets trapped
And the copper vcache is the best capture point for all of it
remote geode
would backside power delivery help
mortal grail
So when you see people say "X3D is hot" this is the reason
wooden goblet
I think I’m following yes
mortal grail
Now, small lesson aside, there's a takeaway from this
remote geode
stack more silicone
mortal grail
Because all that heat gets trapped, it doesn't move off the cpu that well
Which in turn, by a small twist of irony, makes it easy as piss to cool lmao
If you throw a massive cooler at it, it gets minimal gains
wooden goblet
And therefore, I don’t need a crazy good cooler
mortal grail
Essentially yeah
wooden goblet
Yeah may aswell
wooden goblet
Just to be safe or solething
wooden goblet
Oh and this might(?) be a dumb question but would I also need extra fans for inside the case
mortal grail
Just to be safe or solething
Less about safe, more like you can use the bigger cooler for lots of other cpus later
mortal grail
Oh and this might(?) be a dumb question but would I also need extra fans for ins...
It has enough tbh
903 base has 2 big front 1 small rear
It's essentially enough
mortal grail
These are good for $4 per fan if you find you need more
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JmfnTW/thermalright-tl-c12c-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-x3-d6
mortal grail
Would the 4090 be bottlenecked by the cpu
4090 is bottlenecked by basically anything these days if it's not 4K or higher resolution
It's there to consider but yeah, you want a really extreme display to use it properly
For the 4090 list I'd do like, 34" 1440p UW or 4K+
For the XTX list, do 1440P high refresh
wooden goblet
Yeah rn I’m rocking a $200 five year old 144hz go monitor
Hp*
So maybe time to upgrade
mortal grail
Hmmm yeah might deserve a bump lol
Perfect reason to fill the rest of that budget, one sec
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TTsLZJ
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Monitor-Speakers-FreeSync-DisplayPort1-4/dp/B0CF2FD5P4/
Fit in the budget perfectly
Basically for XTX-worthy displays I'd be looking between about, $270 to $580
Though oled is a huge jump over anything else
It's like several pc upgrades on it's own
Not just because it looks good, but because it has a latency response that's unmatched rn
So it's like doubling your fps over any other screen pick
wooden goblet
Wow ok yeah that’s literally perfect for my budget
As dope as having a 4090 sounds i don’t think I can justify it just yet
But 2.5 for a pc and monitor might just be the move
mortal grail
I mean having owned both I prefer the xtx tbh
wooden goblet
Really?
wooden goblet
Oh and my buddy is wondering if he can take out the ram from his old pc and put it in his new one
wooden goblet
Near 4090 performance for half the price? Yeah I kinda like it
Well when you put it that way
mortal grail
Oh and my buddy is wondering if he can take out the ram from his old pc and put ...
What's his old pc
Give specs
mortal grail
If they're gonna be using a ddr5 build then odds are no
Ddr4/ddr3/ddr5 all incompatible with each other
wooden goblet
Mmm yeah ok I doubt he had ddr5 before his current
wooden goblet
Yeah looks like he’s gotta buy another 32gs
Didn’t have anyone to tell him how to build it 🤷♂️
Ok well wow thank you for all the advice and saving me like 500 dollars
icy ore
paper verge
opaque sedge
i'd go for 4080s
Is the raster similar?
elfin mural
theyre neck and neck
the benefit from amd you get is 24gb vram?
but 16 is enough imo
opaque sedge
Is there even a game that uses over 10gigs of vram?
opaque sedge
Oh damn
opaque sedge
especially vr
Does the extra vram from amd have any other value?
Cuz to me it looks like these gpus get outperformed every next gen and the extra vram may npt be as beneficial
I may be making a gross assumption tho
Especially since i’m new to this stuff
mighty hazel
Is there even a game that uses over 10gigs of vram?
opaque sedge
https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-creasing-forehead-the-office-office-absolut...
No wonder amd is losing in the gpu market
mighty hazel
Yeah most people still just buy nvidia
velvet summit
Does the extra vram from amd have any other value?
ironically nvidia drivers tend to be more stable for vr
but the lower vram makes it a worse choice
opaque sedge
velvet summit
you can either pick amd with their slightly less stable drivers for vr, but good enough vram amounts
or nvidia with their slightly more stable drivers for vr, but not enough vram on the lower end
☠️
mighty hazel
Download more vram 🗿
light egret
Doesn't Nvidia still have a slight edge in overall graphics power compared to the comparable amd card?
elfin mural
no
nvidia cutting vram bus hurts that
also imo i'd get xtx if i do vr
otherwise nope
rancid juniper
rancid juniper
also imo i'd get xtx if i do vr
Wait so RX 7900 XT and below can't do vr lol?
rancid juniper
Ah ok
flat glen
Where do i find cheap game keys
elfin mural
We can't talk about that here due to the rules
damn, 100% scaling is TINY on 1080p on 15 inch
light egret
im speaking in the context of 4080 super being compared
Ok but what about lower end models? Does the comp to 4070 still win out head to head? I'm not sure what the amd equivalents are lol. I've never owned AMD cards
light egret
I know Nvidia still has the edge in ray tracing if that's a thing people care about, but I know amd can do ray tracing now apparently
light egret
I stopped paying attention around 20 series and 5000 series I wanna say?
Yeh so according to user benchmark Nvidia, while higher price, still has the overall edge over and in almost all categories.
4070 is about 5% better than 7800 xt, 4080 super is about 36% better than 7900 xt
opaque sedge
What kind of game is dragon’s dogma 2?
opaque sedge
4070 is about 5% better than 7800 xt, 4080 super is about 36% better than 7900 x...
Jesus the 4080 super is that much better?
I could have made a 7700x build with that for around 1600-1700 usd instead of my 7800x3d and 7900xt build which was 1500usd
light egret
It's prob worth it to go for 7800 over Nvidia for the almost 100 dollar diff for 5% power diff, but the 4080 super is only 60 dollars more for a 36% power boost. That's worth it if you're already spending 900 bucks on a gpu
opaque sedge
It's prob worth it to go for 7800 over Nvidia for the almost 100 dollar diff for...
Wait we talking about the xt or xtx?
Cuz the 4080 super is almost 300 bucks more expensive than the 7900xt
elfin mural
Yeh so according to user benchmark Nvidia, while higher price, still has the ove...
don't use ubm
it's very amd biased
light egret
Ok the 7900xtx is only 17% worse
elfin mural
wait no, intel biased
opaque sedge
it's very amd biased
Now thats a first
light egret
I was about to say
elfin mural
4080s being better than xtx isn't true
opaque sedge
wait no, intel biased
Now thats a given
elfin mural
they're on par
light egret
User bench is what I've always used lol
opaque sedge
Anyways where is the 4080 super thats only 80 bucks more than a 7900xt?
elfin mural
for quick n dirty comparisons
opaque sedge
I need a link for that
elfin mural
4070 super has gre blocking its way
ALSO
4070 now only costs a little less than some gre models
opaque sedge
4070 super has gre blocking its way
4070 super is like mid 600 right?
light egret
They look to be going for around 550-600 rn
opaque sedge
and gre has dropped to 520
Oh yeah i still have the powercolor fighter gre i snagged for that price laying around i’m planning on returning it
elfin mural
why?
elfin mural
o ye
opaque sedge
They look to be going for around 550-600 rn
Based on my amateurish assumption it seems like for value in builds for lower budget and mid range budgets amd cards are the choice while for upper midrange budgets over 1500 nvidia cards seem to eke out a bit and for higher end nvidia is the typical choice to make
opaque sedge
Not sure if i should count the xtx as a higher end card tho cuz an xtx build can be made for the pricing of a upper midrange build around 1800-1900
elfin mural
xtx is high end
opaque sedge
If using microcenter bundles and discounts
elfin mural
there's no question about that
like i said, 4090 is another whole class
it's the top of the chain
mild dew
4090 enables experiences most other gpus can't
opaque sedge
What would you guys consider a budget for a mid range build and a upper mid range build?
elfin mural
idk
all lower end cards are meh in their own ways
and nvidia is a sea of ok vram amount, trash bus
if we go below 4070
mild dew
What would you guys consider a budget for a mid range build and a upper mid rang...
1500$ midrange and 1500$-2500$ upper midrange
opaque sedge
1500$ midrange and 1500$-2500$ upper midrange
Damn the upper midrange sure has a lot of room
light egret
From my experience people will go for Nvidia for the slight edge regardless, even if it's just for the edge in ray tracing. Budget builds should use amd as they are a way better bang for the buck usually. I gotta figure out how to use these other benchmark services to compare again but from my phone that's hard lol.
opaque sedge
2500 is probably mega aesthetics
200 buck Nzxt aio cooler maybe 
light egret
I've never really understood the hype in ray tracing though
opaque sedge
200 buck Nzxt aio cooler maybe <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Like I remember seeing builds in reddit with people asking for feedback on them and they all had like these expensive aios and cases with a 4060 ti for the gpu
elfin mural
but the ability to do real-time rt is amazing
opaque sedge
Like I remember seeing builds in reddit with people asking for feedback on them ...
Three weeks ago when i was putting together my list
mild dew
I've never really understood the hype in ray tracing though
It fixes many rendering flaws games have but many games don't do rt that well
light egret
#Nintendo did it first
opaque sedge
and fragmented
So its basically early access for a lack of better words?
elfin mural
yep
light egret
I mean it's neat and all, but I'm not gonna spend an extra 200 bucks for it. I guess you don't really have to anymore but still lol
opaque sedge
Btw for a 1500-1600usd pc build budget whats the gpu of choice typically?
I went with the 7900xt
mild dew
Btw for a 1500-1600usd pc build budget whats the gpu of choice typically?
I would go with a 4080super and future 9600x for that budget
opaque sedge
Oh yeah the microcenter cpu mobo and ram bundle was great value
It was like getting a free mobo basically
light egret
Yeah micro center is my fav place to buy PC parts. I wish I had one near me still 😭
Now it's a 4 hour drive 
opaque sedge
And the ram seems to be one of the decent ones too not the best but great with it being cl32 and 6000mhz
It seems like for ddr5 cl30 is the best of the best
opaque sedge
Now it's a 4 hour drive <:peepoSadSip:641081095479361536>
I would say its worth the drive if u build a pc or upgrade it after a long time for example every 3-5 yrs
elfin mural
If you don't wanna do all that, they also offer build services
light egret
Lol it's been about that for my build. But I'm also broke rn
opaque sedge
I would say its worth the drive if u build a pc or upgrade it after a long time ...
Also they have price matching for manufacturers website and products sold and shipped by amazon
So lets say something goes wrong with ur components
light egret
I'd prob make a weekend trip to visit some friends and stay with them and then go there when I can upgrade
opaque sedge
You can still safely return in within the return window
light egret
I've never had their prices be more than Amazon
opaque sedge
I've never had their prices be more than Amazon
I had to get my 7900xt pricematched
It was 50 bucks more expensive
light egret
Well that's nice. In my experience they've always undercut the price lol. During the pandemic they're the only ones who sold GPUs at msrp
Same with pis
opaque sedge
Damn no wonder everyone loves them
light egret
There was a point where pis were selling for hundreds of dollars and I got mine at micro for like $30
Cause they were sold out everywhere but they kinda had em hidden at micro lol
opaque sedge
There was a point where pis were selling for hundreds of dollars and I got mine ...
What’re pis?
light egret
One sec
The cartridge is my SSD lol
It's an emulation machine.
You can use em for a lot of things though. I had one set up as a micro server that I didn't really use at all, and another set up to automate my 3D printer with a camera and stuff
opaque sedge
Thats cool
Can you also make a smart home camera system using one?
Without having to pay for those expensive services
fair onyx
The gre is a handsome card tho
You know, I would totally have a 7900XTX if they were more capable compute cards. I much prefer them over NVIDIA cards, and the value/efficiency is great
light egret
Probably but I think you'd be better off buying good cameras and a DVR
fair onyx
If all I did was game, I would for sure have one
The 7900XT is the best value high perf gaming card for sure
for a new card, at least
opaque sedge
The xtx is like 200-300 more expensive than the 7900xt right
fair onyx
not that much
opaque sedge
How does the xtx pair with a 7700x cpu?
(Microcenter bundle for cpu choice reasoning)
fair onyx
I am not sure, I don't focus much on gaming for GPUs 😅
opaque sedge
Its cool
fair onyx
AMD Ryzen 7 7700x?
opaque sedge
Mhm
fair onyx
or intel 7700x?
ah
should be just fine
Both the 7900XT and XTX will deliver a ton of gaming perf
light egret
They are about 200-300 more on microcenter
Most expensive xt I can find is 729 while cheapest xtx is 929. The smallest gap is 200 there
fair onyx
No way they added this...
opaque sedge
They are about 200-300 more on microcenter
It seems like the cheapest xtx is 910 from xfx tho
fair onyx
opaque sedge
With asrock and sapphire being around 930
light egret
It seems like the cheapest xtx is 910 from xfx tho
I wouldn't worry about upgrading until at least next Gen though. Your PC is already ahead of most lol
opaque sedge
Yh and the cpu i chose is pretty futureproof too it seems
fair onyx
Most expensive xt I can find is 729 while cheapest xtx is 929. The smallest gap ...
Asus TUF 7900XT is $800, XFX 7900XTX is $912
opaque sedge
7800x3d
opaque sedge
Asus TUF 7900XT is $800, XFX 7900XTX is $912
I got my sapphire pulse 7900xt for 690
fair onyx
7900XT is basically my GPU with a little less VRAM and worse RT. But its nice for a brand new card, especially at that price
opaque sedge
Yh it seems like the 7900xt prices skyrocketed since i got mine 3 weeks ago
fair onyx
I was just noticing that as well actually
light egret
Asus TUF 7900XT is $800, XFX 7900XTX is $912
But xfx 7900 xt is 699, same brand has over 200$ price increase
fair onyx
I seem to remember them being low $700, with the 7900xtx low $900
opaque sedge
So now it seems like you either get a gre or double down and get a xtx or a 4080 lol
Suddenly i feel super proud of my 7900xt
fair onyx
But xfx 7900 xt is 699, same brand has over 200$ price increase
Not arguing that at all, just your statement about the most expensive being $730 and cheapest being $930 was off from what I and others found
light egret
Not arguing that at all, just your statement about the most expensive being $730...
Oh I was talking about specifically at micro center where he bought
At least what pulled up in search for me
opaque sedge
Oh I was talking about specifically at micro center where he bought
Yh other than the xfx 7900xt can’t seem to find anything else for the price i got at all
opaque sedge
690 pre tax
I got it price matched the sapphire pulse one was 690 at the time in amazon
My auto correct is tweaking
light egret
Just send it to me I'll "return" it for you 😏
opaque sedge
Just send it to me I'll "return" it for you 😏
10 hundies and its a deal
(100% profit)
light egret
10 hundie pennies, deal
opaque sedge
opaque sedge
Don't wait to long tho, doesn't microcenter only have a 15 day return window?
Oh i snagged my gre from amazon and i think the 15 day is for mobos and ram
fair onyx
I really hope at least one GPU manufacturer offers less restricted VRAM this gen
opaque sedge
When are the next gen gpus set to roll out?
light egret
Amazon has 30 day I think
opaque sedge
Amazon has 30 day I think
Yh I’m returning it tomorrow
fair onyx
When are the next gen gpus set to roll out?
Probably around August-October
opaque sedge
Damn that close
I feel like i should have gotten a steam deck or smth and waited on building my pc now ngl
fair onyx
Only thing I care about is them having more useful VRAM capacities
light egret
Everyone feels that way every time. Don't wait to build just cause there might be something better in the future. There's always gonna be something better in the future. PCs age fast, but the upgrades aren't really worth it but every 3-5 years unless you absolutely need the best of the best always
fair onyx
Yeah for sure
fair onyx
I am happy with my PC. Only complaint is how much power it uses, but there's really no fix for that as of now. I could also really go for more VRAM, but all of the GPU companies seem to wanna hold back their cards to prevent having another 1080ti I presume
mighty hazel
Like the 1080 ti wasn’t meant to be a 1440 144hz gpu cuz those monitors were pretty rare
It was meant to be 4k 30 or 1080p 144hz
fair onyx
I was meaning how the 1080ti is still good enough almost a decade later that people are still holding off their upgrades. They made a GPU too good and too future proof, so now they go out of their way to limit them in different ways. Now they are all hard limited by their lack of VRAM capacity
Cards like the 4070ti with only 12GB VRAM can already hit OOM issues in VR games that they are.more than performant enough to play
8GB even for 1080p is causing issues for many
Friend of mine has to play a lot of games in his iGPU cause his 4GB cars can't load them at all
mighty hazel
Yeah idk how future proof the 1080 ti was, the rtx 2070S beat it in like 2019
fair onyx
That's not what I am meaning
mighty hazel
Yeah idk how future proof the 1080 ti was, the rtx 2070S beat it in like 2019
I’ve never seen a 3080 ti or 4070 ti struggle because of vram though
fair onyx
I've def seen it. Lots of people have issues with it, especially in VR
Some 1440p games are red lining 16GB GPU's cause console to PC optimization isn't a thing anymore. Just shove it all in VRAM and don't give a crap about how must hardware won't be able to run kt
*it
mighty hazel
Depends on the game but it kinda happens at 4k
fair onyx
Yeah idk how future proof the 1080 ti was, the rtx 2070S beat it in like 2019
Also, this is only partially true. The 2070S beats it in the games it can play. But there are games and many use cases it can't even load, because it has 40% less VRAM
mighty hazel
A 2070 super can’t load games? 😭😭
fair onyx
Yeah, run elite dangerous 3x 1080p and watch it crash when it needs more than 8GB VRAM
1080ti can run it
mighty hazel
A 2070 super can’t load games? 😭😭
These techtubers really cooked peoples brains with this vram thing.
fair onyx
Or what about bone works on max physics. Can't load in 8GB, but it can on a 1080ti
3070ti is a massively more powerful GPU, but I would still take the 1080ti over it for both my work and VR gaming cause 8GB is just the bare minimum now
I say that as somebody who is limited by a 24GB cards, but has no means to buy a higher capacity, slower, and massively more expensive workstation card ._.
mighty hazel
If a 3070 can run cyberpunk this well at 4k it’s good
A 1080 ti is too limited to take advantage of the 11gb
It’s like you ever see a 3060 beating a 3070
Same performance as a 1080 ti
fair onyx
Spiderman remastered has a minimum VRAM requirement of 8GB on medium for 1080, and can use 19GB at 4k
mighty hazel
If it’s for ai or something though, then 1080 ti doesn’t even have the cores for that
19gb??
fair onyx
It's still more useful than a 3070ti for that
mighty hazel
19gb??
That’s allocated vram not used
Using a gpu without tensor cores for ai yikes
fair onyx
Lol
dusk knot
Spiderman remastered has a minimum VRAM requirement of 8GB on medium for 1080, a...
Oof
Glad I'm staying on the 1440p train for a long time
mighty hazel
I decided to look it up. This is 4k on a 3080 12gb
fair onyx
For my job, I'd gladly take a 1080ti over a 3070ti. Sure it would be slower, but I'd rather it be slow and work than not be able to run at all 
fair onyx
But yeah, in the end VRAM matters more than just about anything else.
Slow GPU = less performance
Not enough VRAM = entirely useless for what you are trying to do
mighty hazel
Depends what you’re doing with it
fair onyx
To an extent, that is true
mighty hazel
If that were true Radeon vii’s would be beating 4060s 💀
mighty hazel
If that were true Radeon vii’s would be beating 4060s 💀
Then again I wouldn’t be surprised
It’s like a 2080 in perfomance but 16gb vram
Might actually beat a 4060
fair onyx
I would take that over it as well haha. But it's AMD, so it has like no compute support unfortunately. Otherwise I would have a 7900XTX
mighty hazel
I would take that over it as well haha. But it's AMD, so it has like no compute ...
Wait so a 1080 ti is better than 60 series amd for some productivity tasks
fair onyx
Depends on the specific task. For blender, I would take the 60 card for sure
But for ML inference or training, the AMD card likely can't even run any of it 😓
mighty hazel
Damn
fair onyx
Though AMD is getting better by day, at least
Not 6000 series tho. Those are unfortunately pretty damn useless for compute
If AMD just had better compute support, I would buy a W7900 for sure
48GB VRAM would be sooooo nice. I could do a lot more work with that
wise wigeon
what in the
fair onyx
Hmm?
wise wigeon
i just noticed my xmp wasnt turned on but i for sure remembered to turn it on in the past
maybe i forgot to reenable xmp after a bios update
fair onyx
Oh you know what... Thank you for reminding me
I had a hard crash on my PC and it reset my bios as well. I forgot to go back in and turn XMP back on
wise wigeon
i think a year ago my stuff was acting up so i was updating a bunch of stuff
like my wifi was just straight up refusing to do things
must've forgotten that it wipes my settings when i update the bios
welp not like i'm playing super intensive stuff but
it might explain a few things lol
i was just looking up how to enable resizable bar
and i was just lookinh at my task manager when i saw i was on 2133
wild
i would not have noticed this otherwise
velvet summit
Oh you know what... Thank you for reminding me
I had a hard crash on my PC and ...
???
a crash resetting a bios????
wise wigeon
Honestly idk if I even should enable rebar
velvet summit
warped crest
I read that the pcb for my card and the reference pcb is nearly identical other than the missing screw in the power input in the top, would it work with a reference water block if I shave some acrylic
fair onyx
I had to reset bios to get it to post. My whole PC slowly shut itself down, flashing, glitching audio, and then eventually went black and didn't respond to me pressing the power button
fair onyx
The dream for my work would be an SOC with a massive NPU, and 128GB of unified memory. Drooling just thinking about it :D
ripe depot
Can anyone recommend a starter pc under 1000 just wanting to play basic games and I’m not gonna be on it very much
elfin mural
Can anyone recommend a starter pc under 1000 just wanting to play basic games an...
usd? are you shopping in the us?
1k gets you a pretty competent gaming rig
velvet summit
Can anyone recommend a starter pc under 1000 just wanting to play basic games an...
Basic games as in 2d games?
elfin mural
If you play 2d games budget can be as low as you wish
Like cut it to half and you'll still have a pc
velvet summit
2d games could be run on a modern igpu no sweat
elfin mural
ya
velvet summit
Save hundreds
clear mulch
Hey guys I’m looking for a good case spacious good air flow and some what good for cable management
ripe depot
usd? are you shopping in the us?
Yes
ripe depot
Basic games as in 2d games?
Yeah mostly terraria Minecraft and the forest
elfin mural
Hrm
velvet summit
Minecraft and the forest aren't 2d games lmao
elfin mural
You might still want a dgpu
ripe depot
Yeah mb
velvet summit
Also yeah 1k isnt really too budget anymore
ancient swift
Steam Deck go brrrrrr
elfin mural
pc gaming is a different experience
ripe depot
pc gaming is a different experience
Yuh im stuck on ps5 rn
Im not trying to sped 1000 on something I don’t know why I came here
elfin mural
ah ps5
elfin mural
i can do that
opaque sedge
Is helldivers 2 any good? The steam reviews seem to have super mixed opinions
fallen coral
hey guys, I have this PC build right now, and I’m looking for increase/upgrade performance, what 2 parts should I upgrade first?
Ryzen 5 3600
RTX 2060
16GB DDR4 RAM
512 SSD
1 TB Hard Drive
NZXT H510 Case
x570 Aorus Elite Wifi Motherboard
sorry if wrong channel
ripe depot
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3FZMV
Do that do this as pre built I don’t got a clue on how to build a pc
elfin mural
No
ancient swift
hey guys, I have this PC build right now, and I’m looking for increase/upgrade p...
CPU and GPU
ancient swift
You can get a 5800x3d and a better GPU and get a fairly big perf increas depending on your PSU
opaque sedge
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C3FZMV
Is this a 1080p build?
fallen coral
CPU and GPU
right now I have the regular CPU cooler fan should I get something new if I get a better CPU?
and i heard negative stuff about the NZXT case before
elfin mural
Is this a 1080p build?
it is
ancient swift
Yeah if you hurry you can get the AK620 which should be able to handle anything on am4 I think
opaque sedge
Do that do this as pre built I don’t got a clue on how to build a pc
Its super easy all you need is a couple things
1.youtube tutorials
2.basic literacy to read the manuals
3.and courage to bother newegg server members at the dead of midnight (yes i’m talking bout myself )
ancient swift
and yeah the NZXT H510 is meh. Do you know if its the regular or the flow?
ripe depot
Its super easy all you need is a couple things
1.youtube tutorials
2.basic lite...
lol ight
ancient swift
Maybe the 5700X3D instead of 5800X3D due to the case. Not sure ,someone could probably fix it
ripe depot
God damn
ripe depot
I’ll just build it at this point
elfin mural
But if you can eek out the extra for the gpu
fallen coral
and yeah the NZXT H510 is meh. Do you know if its the regular or the flow?
regular
elfin mural
It's worth every bit of it
opaque sedge
it is
Since its am5 it also has a upgrade path for a better gpu right? Like a gre perhaps?
elfin mural
Not only gpu
CPU
The 7600 is pretty competent
But you can upgrade into like 2027
opaque sedge
The 7600 is pretty competent
How does it compare to the 7 7700x?
ripe depot
Uh ima haft to think it over thank you guys
opaque sedge
The 7700x is a productivity cpu right?
elfin mural
Similar, but 6 cores is starting to be a limitation
Nah, 7700x is still consumer tier lol
opaque sedge
Hm so if he has access to a microcenter the 7700x bundle is a great choice too?
elfin mural
7700x is a weird middle child because there's 7800x3d
Yeah, that's a pretty good deal
opaque sedge
Hm i wish i knew about pc specs as much as i do now lol
fallen coral
Is the x570 Aorus Elite good btw?
opaque sedge
Hm i wish i knew about pc specs as much as i do now lol
If i did three weeks ago i would have definitely went with a 7700x with a 7900gre build
elfin mural
And don't pay over 150 tops
100-135 gets you decent AM5 boards already
wait
That's x570
Still I don't recc x570 rn
opaque sedge
100-135 gets you decent AM5 boards already
Damn really? Even those small ones?
elfin mural
ya
AM5 is overbuilt for the cpus they're designed to run with
7800X3D gets its full perf at only 88w
opaque sedge
Thats cool if I decide to downsize i’ll get one then
opaque sedge
7800X3D gets its full perf at only 88w
It also automatically clocks itself to 5ghz right?
elfin mural
I don't remember the boost
But it will hit the boost reliably on cheap boards
As long as there's adequate vrm cooling
opaque sedge
I meant vrm
Vrm is basically what converts voltages for the cpu right? Like a pathway
elfin mural
It steps down power from the psu's rail
And feeds the cpu stable DC power
Otherwise you'd get a fried or unstable cpu
Straight 12V would definitely cause some damage lol
opaque sedge
Otherwise you'd get a fried or unstable cpu
Ohhh is that why asus mobos were frying up x3d chips?
clear mulch
Anyone can help me find a good case with air flow and somewhat spacious
opaque sedge
Anyone can help me find a good case with air flow and somewhat spacious
I personally recommend the montech 903 air if u dont care much about looks but even then it looks decent with the rgb fans
elfin mural
903 air is also a decent choice
opaque sedge
I personally recommend the montech 903 air if u dont care much about looks but e...
But beware the cable routing can get tricky cuz the mobo may block the rubber pass thru a bit
clear mulch
I personally recommend the montech 903 air if u dont care much about looks but e...
It’s for my little brother currently he had a deepcool case with stick cooler and I’m so lost because I can’t fit a air cooler in there to cool ryzen 7 5800x
opaque sedge
It’s for my little brother currently he had a deepcool case with stick cooler an...
@elfin mural wouldn’t a cheap thermalright be enough to cool a 5800x?
opaque sedge
It’s for my little brother currently he had a deepcool case with stick cooler an...
If its mid tower atx case it should fit most coolers
clear mulch
I don’t even know I never used air coolers only radiator coolers but he’s got 4 sticks on 4 there worried about the space
All the case says it’s deepcool nothing else
opaque sedge
I don’t even know I never used air coolers only radiator coolers but he’s got 4 ...
Here’s what my looks like
Dual tower cooler
clear mulch
Man that’s huge
opaque sedge
Man that’s huge
Well yh its cheap but its a quality heatsink
opaque sedge
Also that gpu is limping more than my dad
clear mulch
elfin mural
That sag tho
clear mulch
Yeah gpu heavy
elfin mural
Find lego or something to prop it up
opaque sedge
That sag tho
My 7900xt is crying
clear mulch
Yeah I can’t find it anywhere
elfin mural
lemme go do stuff then imma help you find it
opaque sedge
My 7900xt is crying
So glad it came with a support bracket but i’m def getting a corner one as well after seeing that
clear mulch
It’s a 580 gpu
elfin mural
rx 580?
clear mulch
Yes
elfin mural
That's a huge 580 if that's one
clear mulch
It’s rog I believe
elfin mural
Yeah strix
clear mulch
It’s my old one
opaque sedge
I had lunch with a friend today and that was apparently his first gpu around the start of the pandemic
And then a microcenter employee upsold his dad on a 4060
opaque sedge
Well a 4060 is at least
Its bottlenecked cuz of his cpu apparently
clear mulch
So what you guy’s think what cooler can I fit there or do I just replace the entire case
elfin mural
Gimme a sec
opaque sedge
Its bottlenecked cuz of his cpu apparently
He told me its a ryzen 5 2600
clear mulch
Hopefully not but if I have to no problem
opaque sedge
Shouldn't be *bad*
He plays in 1080p
clear mulch
So air coolers are a go or radiator cooler
clear mulch
Even chat gpt wasn’t able to find what case this is
opaque sedge
So air coolers are a go or radiator cooler
Air coolers are apparently the best when it comes to price to perf and also longer lasting, while aios are the more accessible option for liquid cooling
clear mulch
It looks like I can fit one on the top 240 maybe
But I want to go with air cooler but I can’t seem to know which case this is to fit one
opaque sedge
5600 or 3600 should help with the bottleneck
I was telling him about the 5600
clear mulch
It’s got these bulky heatsinks
opaque sedge
If he wasn’t looking to upgrade for a whole
sinful blade
I would suggest a 5700x
Or 7600
Good upgrade
Wouldn’t need any upgrades for it for a while
opaque sedge
I would suggest a 5700x
Or 7600
I also suggested the 7700x microcenter bundle if he wanted am5 and ddr5 ram
opaque sedge
It’s got these bulky heatsinks
Do u have the gpu dimensions?
clear mulch
Do u have the gpu dimensions?
I don’t all ik it’s my old rx 580 3 fans big and heavy it sags a lot
It’s got a lot of room left from the front panel o gpu
rancid juniper
im genuinely curious if my gpu is actually sagging
opaque sedge
Yh i thought for a sec we could use the gpu dimensions to gauge the size cuz my coolers heatsink ekes out a bit from my gpu
rancid juniper
it looks flat sorta
clear mulch
Well I’d say there is a bout a finger maybe from cooler to gpu
Not even a finger
When I look at it it looks cramped up
I think I should replace the case save myself a headache lol
opaque sedge
it looks flat sorta
My support bracket seems to be working hard but definitely getting one for the corner as well
wise wigeon
i like the reliability of air coolers but double towers make it so hard to work in the pc
opaque sedge
My support bracket seems to be working hard but definitely getting one for the c...
And about the fingerprints on the panel
rancid juniper
My support bracket seems to be working hard but definitely getting one for the c...
fat card
clear mulch
So you guys recommend any case from 50 to 100 maybe
opaque sedge
And about the fingerprints on the panel
I have been touching my pc during late night gaming sessions iyk what i mean 😏
wise wigeon
depends on what you need in the case
just built in the 903 air and it was pretty pleasant
clear mulch
A better cooler that’s all I need in a new case
opaque sedge
So you guys recommend any case from 50 to 100 maybe
Montech 903 air
clear mulch
Let me look it up
opaque sedge
Montech 903 air
Max for rgb fans and it also has a rgb pin connector hub thingy in the back i think
clear mulch
Is it just me or it looks small
wise wigeon
its rather large tbh
opaque sedge
Is it just me or it looks small
Its a decent size
sinful blade
So you guys recommend any case from 50 to 100 maybe
Montech 903 air, p500a, g360a
wise wigeon
it fits 400mm cars so it kinda has to be
clear mulch
Does it come with fans
wise wigeon
3 140s for base
opaque sedge
I mean my gpu is chonky
wise wigeon
4 argb ones for the max
opaque sedge
it fits 400mm cars so it kinda has to be
Its advertised to fit 4090s
clear mulch
So 3 front and one to the back right
wise wigeon
for the max yes
sinful blade
Phanteks XT PRO ULTRA is also kinda just amazing
clear mulch
Those come pre installed
opaque sedge
Wbt the corsair ones?
wise wigeon
yeh
opaque sedge
Wbt the corsair ones?
Or are those over 80 bucks?
wise wigeon
like 4000d?
opaque sedge
like 4000d?
Yh
clear mulch
My old h710i came with fans pre installed liked it but way to heavy
opaque sedge
Yh lets be patient maybe you can save on current hardware
clear mulch
I need a similar case with fans pre installed so I don’t buy them lol
opaque sedge
My old h710i came with fans pre installed liked it but way to heavy
Montech 903 is pretty light and it also has a magnetic front mesh cover which is kinda cool ig
sinful blade
Corsair anything is usually just overpriced
And underpowered
Except the psus
They’re usually fine
clear mulch
Montech 903 is pretty light and it also has a magnetic front mesh cover which is...
You said it has pre installed fans or guy bought them separately
wise wigeon
preinstalled
elfin mural
It's a matrexx 55
clear mulch
Could it fit dark rock pro 4 or 5
wise wigeon
at least in the base one i just built in
elfin mural
165mm cooler height limit
sinful blade
903 or the phanteks xt pro ultra
clear mulch
It's a matrexx 55
I looked up that model can’t find it in Amazon
wise wigeon
i mean it fits a peerless assassing well enough
elfin mural
I looked up that model can’t find it in Amazon
it's offsale so yeah
wise wigeon
but peerless is shoter
opaque sedge
Pre installed for both the base and max, base has three non rgb fans and max has 4 rgb fans, and here’s the magnetic mesh cover in action
wise wigeon
its also like 33 dollars for the peerless or phantomspirit
maybe a dollar extra if you want rgb
clear mulch
Pre installed for both the base and max, base has three non rgb fans and max has...
That’s cool how it opens painlessly
wise wigeon
no filter though
opaque sedge
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-66...
Btw are the peerless assassin and the phantom spirit pretty much the same?
clear mulch
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hYxRsY/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-66...
This fits with 4 ram sticks
wise wigeon
spirit has 7 pipes
elfin mural
This fits with 4 ram sticks
yes
clear mulch
And those bulky heatsinks around the stock cooler
opaque sedge
That’s cool how it opens painlessly
Oh yeah and extra fan installation looks easy too
elfin mural
Btw are the peerless assassin and the phantom spirit pretty much the same?
nope they're different
wise wigeon
but similar performance
elfin mural
And those bulky heatsinks around the stock cooler
also yes lol
wise wigeon
spirit is newer
clear mulch
How good does it keep the 7 5800x cooled
opaque sedge
How good does it keep the 7 5800x cooled
My 7800x3d gets to 89c peak in cinebench but drops to 80-85 once the fans start running
opaque sedge
For it to shut down
I think i would need to start worrying when it goes above 90
clear mulch
I have a 9 5950x I think and it state below 60 during gaming
I turned off the pbo stuff
So stays cooler
opaque sedge
I have a 9 5950x I think and it state below 60 during gaming
1440p?
opaque sedge
Yh 1440p and above is more gpu dependent
opaque sedge
Thats around the same temp i get when playing forza max settings
But gpu goes up to 79c hotspot
And that things screams
Coil whine i mean
clear mulch
Nah Mine stays at 70 or so
clear mulch
Yes I hear Mine all the time
wise wigeon
i'm comfy under 80c for gpu
clear mulch
So annoying
clear mulch
Loud like Mine
opaque sedge
i have my 3080 at like 1815 at 0.850
Did u undervolt it?
clear mulch
I tried to undervolt my 3080ti wasn’t not a good experience crash in some games and work in some games I couldn’t find a stable one for all my games
wise wigeon
prob went too low
clear mulch
Yeah for sure I can’t seem to balance
wise wigeon
3080 1800 at 0.8 aint like that good of an undervolt
opaque sedge
Is undervolting beneficial?
wise wigeon
i think i was 19-something mhz at 0.875
uh yeah lol
mine decreases thermals by at least 5c
opaque sedge
What does it benefit?
clear mulch
Yeah the 3080 consumes a lot of power
opaque sedge
consumes less power
less temps
more boost
How well does it work for amd cards?
clear mulch
Sometimes it struggles to run older assassins creed games
Or it’s the game optimization
wise wigeon
really depends
rancid juniper
How well does it work for amd cards?
it depends
clear mulch
I have the strix model idk if it differs how it runs from other ones
wise wigeon
i think amd really pushes the clocks hard on their cards
rancid juniper
RDNA2 and below works fine but RDNA3 is a bit finnicky at first glance
opaque sedge
i think amd really pushes the clocks hard on their cards
Yh the power draw seems to be rather inefficient compared to nvidia cards
opaque sedge
RDNA2 and below works fine but RDNA3 is a bit finnicky at first glance
The 7000 series is rdna 3 right?
wise wigeon
yeh
rancid juniper
The 7000 series is rdna 3 right?
ye
opaque sedge
F?
wise wigeon
i mean you could still benefit
rancid juniper
this is my config, i made sure to lower my clocks but not too much while also lowering both voltage+power
bumped up the mem clocks
opaque sedge
i mean you could still benefit
Idk it looks like overclocking is more popular for the 7900 cards than undervolting 😭
wise wigeon
well they undervolt to oc
opaque sedge
this is my config, i made sure to lower my clocks but not too much while also lo...
7900xt as well?
wise wigeon
like my 3080 at 1815 vs 1900 mhz loses maybe 1-5 fps
opaque sedge
So undervolt gpu and overclock vram?
rancid juniper
7900xt as well?
this is just my config, you can do whatever like maxing out the frequency to like idk 3000mhz while lowering voltage to something like 980mv
wise wigeon
but drops like 100w in consumption and really never pushes past 76c
rancid juniper
So undervolt gpu and overclock vram?
undervolting on RDNA3 doesn't do much but makes the card boost higher
opaque sedge
What exactly is boost?
rancid juniper
the best way to drop temps is to either lower frequency a bit or powerslider
wise wigeon
i'm more used to nvidia undervolts because i had laptops
and its pretty much a req on laptops
though i feel like disabling cpu boost is the nicest for temps
on laptops
rancid juniper
What exactly is boost?
wise wigeon
especially when they share heatsinks in laptops
rancid juniper
just like a cpu having turbo clocks, if the thermal headroom is available it will boost to higher clockspeeds
wise wigeon
you'll generally find that gpus boost higher than the advertised clocks in specs
rancid juniper
^^^
elfin mural
The cpu and gpu run stock
elfin mural
Noise is minimal these days
wise wigeon
and thats usually enough the gpus are usually chill ngl
opaque sedge
you'll generally find that gpus boost higher than the advertised clocks in specs
Mines lower by like 40mhz…
elfin mural
They get audible but their fans don't produce the signature laptop fan whine
The jet engine like noise
wise wigeon
but from what i've seen 40 series is hella efficient on laptops
wise wigeon
depends on the laptop
elfin mural
Instead of the high pitch
wise wigeon
but also i use my laptop for more than just gaming so low fan noise is important
elfin mural
Better tolerance allows fan blades to get closer together
wise wigeon
although i dont really use it to game so i just swapped with my brothers macbook
elfin mural
And allows for more blades
wise wigeon
he needs a gaming laptop more
i at leas t have this desktop
also makes me one step close to true neutraility in devices
elfin mural
ofc there's different stuff you need a laptop for, so noise is important in those cases
wise wigeon
windows on this desktop, macos on the macbook, linux on my steamdeck
ps5 and series s, and a switch and 3ds
true neutrality in my gaming devices
except i havent used the s in like 2 years
its just not that good
originally bought it for a gamepass machine
but uh nobody in my family jumps between games enough for that to be worth
macbook will fit my school needs better
not really gonna play games on campus
makes me really wonder if this gen woulda been better if the xbox wasn't forcing s compatibility
opaque sedge
macbook will fit my school needs better
What do u study?
wise wigeon
i keep my online and school life seperate
but i am in a grad program
plus i have an iphone and ipad so notes would probably be easier with airdrop
sometimes i do wanna switch back to android though
opaque sedge
Damn that’s a lot electronics ngl
opaque sedge
I get overwhelmed with just my pc
velvet summit
Damn that’s a lot electronics ngl
Alot of electronics? Let me introduce you to my desk
wise wigeon
i'll prob have to learn macos but with my use case i prob wont need to learn much
sour falcon
I get overwhelmed with just my pc
how
opaque sedge
how <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Idk skill issue
sour falcon
And I study IT smh
MacOS is a foreign concept that i refuse to learn
velvet summit
Real
wise wigeon
i had a more loaded desk but i gave my brother a monitor because he refuses to buy one and i was not having him use that pc i just built for him with a 1600x900 monitor from 2007
velvet summit
I used MacOS for one semester since I tried to take graphic design in hs
Still don't understand crap on macos
Why is it like that
wise wigeon
well school wise it'd just be like browser and a few exam softwares so shouldnt be too bad
i swear 60-70% of the people in my program have a mac so
opaque sedge
Still don't understand crap on macos
Dont linux users like macos or tolerate it?
velvet summit
Damn
velvet summit
Dont linux users like macos or tolerate it?
I don't think I've met a Linux user that likes macos
opaque sedge
Wbt windows?
wise wigeon
i used to try different os more when i was tinkering in middle school
sour falcon
Nobody likes windows
im quite ok with it
velvet summit
You're weird
sour falcon
im well aware
wise wigeon
managed to hackintosh my first build but too many drivers issues so i yeeted it
back to windows after that
but i played around with linux distros
opaque sedge
They removed hackintosh support after the m series chips were released right?
velvet summit
They never added macintosh support
wise wigeon
i mean older macs still exist
velvet summit
It was never supported
sour falcon
hence
wise wigeon
it was called hackintosh for a reason
sour falcon
HACKintosh
wise wigeon
i was doing it on a amd fx build which i still wonder how i managed to get that to work
wise wigeon
it was the other drivers that had issues
velvet summit
Oh
wise wigeon
like wifi and stuff
but also i got bored of the novelty of it since i didnt need macos
i was just tinkering
velvet summit
The tinkerer
wise wigeon
but like i dont think you need a mac
velvet summit
To "legally" get an image at least
wise wigeon
and macos was like $20
velvet summit
Iirc you needed a mac to make it work properly or smth, I forget
velvet summit
Might just be to get an image then
wise wigeon
i mean its free now
like you can just go to apples website and download mountain lion
velvet summit
Interesting
wise wigeon
prob to help old mac users
i debated seeing what i can get for trade in for the macbook i swapped for and upgrading to an m2 or something but
its an m1, it has acessories, etc.
velvet summit
5 dollars frfr
velvet summit
That's not too terrible ig
wise wigeon
yeah the m2 is like 830
but would i wanna pay 350 for like magsafe a new battery and better speakers idk
velvet summit
Better speakers?
wise wigeon
a more angular design too
rancid juniper
wise wigeon
also it being able to charge with magsafe frees up an extra usb c port
opaque sedge
What are some standout games in xbox game pass?
velvet summit
Pc?
wise wigeon
but like i have a usbc hub with passthrough so not that big of a deal
persona 3 remake?
velvet summit
Flight simulator
wise wigeon
ngl game pass removed games i liked
i mean it comes with minecraft if you somehow dont have that
velvet summit
Honestly
opaque sedge
Flight simulator
What kind of game is it, other than the aspect that it simulates flights?
velvet summit
Just download random games and try them
velvet summit
What kind of game is it, other than the aspect that it simulates flights?
That's all it is
wise wigeon
idk i feel like the more notable released games are not like on gamepass
opaque sedge
Just download random games and try them
Starfield?
velvet summit
Meh
wise wigeon
if you're into the bethesda experience i guess
wise wigeon
just expect to download mods to fix issues like usual
mods are what make bethesda games bearable
i couldn't tell you the last time i even touched an unmodded version of skyrim
though some games are just better with fixes from the community
monster hunter world has mods that help the performance
unreal trail
wise wigeon
god i hope wilds is optimized after that dd2 fiasco
mild dew
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-cuts-ryzen-7-7700-price-to-247-making-it-the-cheapest-am5-8-core-cpu
zen4 on firesale before zen5
dusk knot
Not x3d..I sleep
wise wigeon
7600 or x3d smh
if a good enough bundle comes around i'll upgrade
but ngl like i feel like my build could easily last another 1-2 cycles at least
rancid juniper
imagine a 9950x3d
sweet phoenix
7600 or x3d smh
7700 performs less than 2% better than 7600 in games lol
Meanwhile x3d 20% better
wise wigeon
i mean yeah thats the point of my message
wise wigeon
7600 and 7700 are roughly 5800x3d performance iirc
sweet phoenix
I was agreeing with you
Sorry I guess?
wise wigeon
i swear the more i talk on this server the more i get posts like this
dusk knot
Lol
dusk knot
Hmm
sweet phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xTNz34
530 for a 4060 ti is criminal
dusk knot
The build's already incredibly affordable
It's terrible how expensive 60 series cards are now
Yeah
sweet phoenix
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xTNz34
Better ssd, better cooler, extra m.2 slot, just as good psu, far better gpu
proud jackal
sweet phoenix
For cheaper $485 4070 from zotac open box or 3070 for 285
sinful blade
530 for a 4060 ti is criminal
He had found one on microcenter for that
He is Returning it tomorrow
sweet phoenix
Or 460 for 3080 ti
sweet phoenix
He had found one on microcenter for that
He is Returning it tomorrow
Thank God lol
Thing should be 425 absolute maximum for the 16gb version
idle nexus
does this mean I can claim my cable management is "prize-winning" or can I go as far as "award-winning?" lol
proud jackal
wow must be nice to win
light egret
I like that the prize is negative 75 dollars
light egret
😂
light egret
you won the privilege to pay them money
random osprey
elden ring dlc being review bombed rn cause dlc too hard for people and performance issues 
light egret
elden ring dlc being review bombed rn cause dlc too hard for people and performa...
you cant lose if you don't play it 🤷♂️
also what do you mean by performance issues? like their PC can't handle it?
random osprey
just not optimized. certain areas have really bad fps and stutter issues, some people are having those issues during boss fights as well. i assume it also ties to peoples pcs as well cause ive only had fps drops in a certain area during a certain time of day but no where else really
but the base game has no issues, just the dlc area where people are experiencing it
light egret
I mean if their PC could handle the game fine before the DLC, the DLC should not be harder to run than the game it's attached to. So if it's unoptimized, that's on the company, of it's just way more resource intensive, than that's also on the company IMO.
If it's becasue it's to hard, well duh it's a souls game.
idle nexus
lol internet is ruthless
light egret
tbf I rarely complain about frame rates cause I used to play games like mirrors edge at like 20 fps lmao
it was fiiiiiiiine
ancient swift
45 FPS on the Steam Deck is great
light egret
you just gotta git gud
ancient swift
Sounds like you should see an optometrist tbh
idle nexus
I should too ngl
random osprey
once it hits the 30 mark it feels a bit off but i can power through it, but like 20 and below 
idle nexus
I was trying to inspect the condition of an LGA 1200 socket yesterday & realized I need glasses
ancient swift
30 with good frametimes is all I need in the long run
idle nexus
like I knew before but that was like frustrating as heck
light egret
once it hits the 30 mark it feels a bit off but i can power through it, but like...
I had a bad GPU and liked to look at pretty things so I put games on ultra anyways
idle nexus
lol 25fps is like a powerpoint
light egret
why did you take it apart
proud jackal
because the waterblock had blue gunk on it
light egret
custom loop or prebuilt?
proud jackal
custom
light egret
show off
proud jackal
light egret
theo always got the nicest stuff
idle nexus
that's why I only use distilled water & a little primochill liquid utopia
I gave up on colored coolant
proud jackal
that's why I only use distilled water & a little primochill liquid utopia
when i won the pc they used blue dyed coolant
idle nexus
it always ends up being a massive pain in the ass
proud jackal
and the blue die turned into slime
idle nexus
wth you won a PC? that's way better than cable management
proud jackal
wth you won a PC? that's way better than cable management
the cpu died a few months in