general-chat

[river elk]

I just can’t sell a 5900x for enough to buy a new cpu and ram that’s better

[mortal grail]

If you can leave the mobo as it is rn, swap the psu

Come back to it later when you can, assuming the return window is still active

The ssd's don't need to be screwed in, just pressed down

[river elk]

I would rather get a better board

Atp

I mean ig

[mortal grail]

The call is yours here mate

I don't lose sleep over these things lol

[river elk]

Here

any of these combos good

or these, I would want to get an upgrade with a better cpu

[mortal grail]

That 12700K one is pretty nice for your circumstances imo

If not the 7700X one

[river elk]

here

380-140 = 240

If I can sell my cpu and ram in a few days for 240+

I will do it

[mortal grail]

What about the 12600KF one

[river elk]

thats a downgrade atp

not worth the time or money

[mortal grail]

I mean this is definitely possible

32GB ram, 5900X

[river elk]

16gb

[mortal grail]

You have 16gb, and a custom loop.

[river elk]

whats that mean

I was 16 lol

[mortal grail]

16gb and 5900X I'd wager more like 220 as a reasonable expectation

250 if you're smart

[river elk]

gotta brag about the trident Z royals

Im gonna do two listings

[sinful blade]

I’m bout to trident z royals if you know what I mean

[river elk]

one for the cpu ram mobo for 400/450 and one for cpu or cpu ram for 250/300

3 listings then

i need to shut these freaking rgb sticks off

[sinful blade]

RGB 4EVA

[river elk]

hold on

the new combo still wont even fix the psu issue

bruh'

[sinful blade]

[mortal grail]

So you're saying you don't even have money for a mobo then?

[river elk]

I do

the mobo i paid for already

I can just return it

[mortal grail]

Ok so the 140 is the mobo return value yes

[river elk]

• tax yeah

[mortal grail]

So

Why is the psu in this equation if not already separately budgeted

[river elk]

im stealing the newegg trident z royal photos for my fb marketplace listing

and cause i would return the mobo, get a cheaper mobo, and a psu

so im not spending so much on a psu

[mortal grail]

So you need to spend 140, on mobo and psu

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

Is that correct

[river elk]

no I could go a bit more

[mortal grail]

How much

[river elk]

I dont wanna do more than 200

pretax

[mortal grail]

200 would barely strike a minimum here

Asrock Pro4 + the usual 750W/850W good unit for 80-90

Or you could warranty the psu

[mortal grail]

And I will make something very clear here, anything less than this on the psu and that pc is essentially underspec'd

[river elk]

I could warranty it while buying one from MC

and just return when i get it back

i dont have time to wait for warranty

i would get these psus

I dont think I really need a 1000W when 850 worked for my entire lifespan of this pc

[river elk]

Lowkey wait it’s not crashing when on 100% power

W/E I’ll not go to microcenter now

[cedar compass]

what do we think about those cheapo 360 aios

[mortal grail]

All amazing

Notte competes with EK nucleus

Aqua elite v3 is solid too

Frozen edge is the best version

[cedar compass]

so can i use them instead of ls720 from now on ?

[mortal grail]

Um yeah absolutely

They're all better than LS

[mental yoke]

I mean personally, I use the thermalright 360mm

[mortal grail]

Aqua elite is like comparable to LS

Notte, edge beat

Edge is basically EK Nucleus for $55

[cedar compass]

so it shows how aios are overpriced

[mental yoke]

Oh hi WarPig

[cedar compass]

oh hey bro

[mortal grail]

Yes and it comes with fans that are noctua A12x25 clones

[mental yoke]

Wassup mate

[mortal grail]

Perform identically

[mental yoke]

How’s your break from work?

[mortal grail]

GT derived fans just like Noctuas

(I'm talking frozen edge here)

[cedar compass]

still no break lol working this weekend too F

[mental yoke]

F

That sucks

[cedar compass]

yeah gonna buy bunch of them now . ls720 is very overpriced now it's not worth it

used thermalright aios for 12th gen cpus before it's good . I'll give it a change with higher cpus

[opaque sedge]

Whats the difference between three fan and 2 fan aios?

[proud jackal]

One has one more fan.

[exotic ingot]

today's haul

5x homemade used mining rigs

they're all celeron, Z270, 4GB ram, 120GB SSD

each with a 1000W RMx

paid $76 per unit

[dusk knot]

Score

[exotic ingot]

basically bought five RM1000x's and got the rest of the junk for free

lol

[mortal grail]

@velvet summit

[velvet summit]

☠️

every time i see this image i get immensely uncomfortable

[tranquil pebble]

hee ho

[velvet summit]

imagine a surround sound setup with these 1.6k usd mono amps

[tranquil pebble]

not worth it to me

You spend so much and you get to diminishing returns

[velvet summit]

go ape schiit

for an actual legitimate surround setup though, the kraken definitely would make more sense though lmao

that has 5 channels and is only 1k usd

or you could use a few rekkr's for even cheaper

though those are more for near field

[mental yoke]

Hi noobs

Me is back

[nocturne flicker]

Who is Me

I've never met Me

Hello Me

[sweet phoenix]

Hey quick question if anyone knows
Is rmx 2021 pcie 8 pin compatible with cxm650? I tried looking at the corsair website but it is very poorly setup (imo)

[worthy meteor]

It's type 3 PCIe for both so it should be

[remote bough]

Hey everyone! I plan on selling my PC, but have the graphics card currently out of the PC and wasn’t sure whether l could receive more money for the PC if l would put the graphics card in, or if wouldn’t make the difference if it was still in the box and unopened?

[worthy meteor]

It's easier to sell bnib parts, but it's very hard to sell a PC without a GPU

You'll prob be able to sell it separately for higher with the brand new in box GPU, but very few people will buy the PC without a GPU

[sweet phoenix]

Ty, also one more (possibly others if they come up) question

Any idea where this goes?

It's connected to cpu fan

[worthy meteor]

3 pin argb?

[sweet phoenix]

That would make sense

Won't plug into led header though

Pc is turning on but won't display on monitor

For some reason b450 ds3h doesn't have debug lights

[worthy meteor]

need 5v argb not normal 12v rgb, sometimes called like d_rgb or d_led or something

[sweet phoenix]

Oh I should clear cmos

Led cpu header is a thing

[worthy meteor]

what mobo?

[sweet phoenix]

Could get it to plug in either

B450 ds3h v2

[worthy meteor]

oh boy prob doesnt have one

lemme check

[sweet phoenix]

Cpu, mobo, gpu, psu, and ram bought used

Pain, cmos is behind gpu

[worthy meteor]

spec sheet doesn't say an argb header, and I don't see one at a glance of the image

[sweet phoenix]

The case did come with a hub

[worthy meteor]

the board prob doesn't have one, older boards tend not to have one

[sweet phoenix]

Sama q5 argb I think it is

Currently taking gpu out to clear cmos

Doing cmos rn so let's hope this works

[sweet phoenix]

The ram rgb is turning on but no other signs of life

Not even cpu fan spinning

Very lost

[safe cape]

Wich case do you have ?

[worthy meteor]

what's all the other parts?

[sweet phoenix]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wJtkMV

Diff cpu cooler

Psu seller was a very well reviewed seller on ebay with like 99.1% positive feedback

Like 30 thousand sales, so I trust that

It's possible I messed something up building but idk what it could be

I am using a single 8 pin for gpu but I doubt that'd be an issue

Meaning 8+6

Any bios on a b450 supports 2000 series right?

[worthy meteor]

They should, I think they only lose some of the 1000 chips when they added 5000

[worthy meteor]

idk all I can think of is either something wrong with mobo or 24pin if no fans

[velvet summit]

hm

[ebon lodge]

Hello, just wanted a little advice on my pc. I noticed about a week ago that my games were running weirdly so I checked temps and my cpu was idling at 80 and hitting 95-100 with any task, so I instantly changed my thermal paste to see if that would help, and it seemed like it did, idle went down to 40-45 and playing games around 65-70 and it was fine for a minute. Then I went on vacation for a few days and I come back and it’s having the same issue but now it’s hitting 100 just by starting up. I was wondering if there was anything else besides a cpu cooler malfunction that would cause this or if I should just get a new cooler

[worthy meteor]

lga1700?

Could be bending and might need contact frame if so

[ebon lodge]

It’s a 10th gen intel I forget if that is 1700 or not

[worthy meteor]

Not 1700

[ebon lodge]

Could the cooler be too tight?

[sweet phoenix]

I give up for today

[worthy meteor]

possible but not likely

[sweet phoenix]

I have a cpu and gpu I can test at a later date

Can't be bothered to tonight im nauseas and have a migraine

[worthy meteor]

would try to swap the mobo or psu at some point if applicable

[sweet phoenix]

Lga 1200 I believe

I have a mobo I could try it'd just be a pain

[worthy meteor]

what cooler?

[sweet phoenix]

Psu wouldn't be too difficult

[ebon lodge]

It’s one I’ve had for a while and is kinda mid so that’s why I kinda suspect it, it’s msi 240R or something like that, an AIO

It’s over 3 years old now

[worthy meteor]

oh didn't that have an issue

[worthy meteor]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-recalls-mag-coreliquid-240r-360r-aio-coolers-due-to-sediment-build-up

check if its in that batch

[ebon lodge]

Serial number is on the cooler or the box?

Nvm

[worthy meteor]

should be on cooler

[sweet phoenix]

Yeah that's def part of the affected batch

3yo

Honestly could be failing too, 3 years isn't unexpected for that

[mortal grail]

Sounds to me like you got a blocked pipe

You repasted, partially freed the block

Then in a week, blocked again

[worthy meteor]

put some wd40 on it

[velvet summit]

gotta eat more fiber

[mortal grail]

Real

Nuts and wd-40 every meal for msi aio

[worthy meteor]

gotta clear that blocked pipe somehow

[worthy meteor]

draino for desert?

[ebon lodge]

It’s like 4 months out of warranty 😦 , I’ll still submit a ticket just in case they will replace it anyways. The original recall website is no longer functioning

[rancid juniper]

i3-10100, that cpu widened my eyes when I used the dell OEM PC back in 2020

[mortal grail]

Last resort

[worthy meteor]

this site? unfortunate
https://www.msi.com/Landing/liquid-cooler-swap-application

[ebon lodge]

Yeah when I put all the info in it says I qualify then it says go to online form website which just says “this service is unavailable in your region”

[rancid juniper]

Thermal right: makes a chunky cooler that can cool a reactor for $5

[lone mango]

[mortal grail]

@ebon lodge We can still fix it without warranty

If the coldplate unscrews it's ez

As long as the pump still works and vibrates it's possible

What you do is flush it all out manually, and buy/make some liquid cooling mix like you do in a water loop

Put it all back together, done

Costs maybe $15

At most

Lol

[opaque sedge]

Mr. Felix is cooking today like always i see

[mortal grail]

They're still liquid loops like custom loops at the end of the day

So it's pretty straightforward

Just a matter of knowing the state of the cooler itself

[opaque sedge]

Damn aio troubles?

I love my 35 buck thermalright cooler

Even more now

[worthy meteor]

make your own distilled water, profit?

[mortal grail]

You buy distilled/filtered

Add glycol and inhibitor

Drop it straight in

[worthy meteor]

free if you buy nothing else and just clear anything that grows once in a while

[mortal grail]

Nah, you lose too much liquid in the loop and it's contaminated

Way easier to flush and make a new batch

[worthy meteor]

now that I think about it, can't you just use vinegar

[mortal grail]

No

You have to use non-abrasive chemical mixes

Low concentration, inhibitive

[ebon lodge]

I’m hoping for just a replacement, but out of curiosity where would the cold plate be

[worthy meteor]

its the plate that touches the cpu

[mortal grail]

Where cpu kisses

[ebon lodge]

I see

[worthy meteor]

but what if I want microplastics in my coolant
Do you know if anyone has actually tried to see what happens if you use vinegar though?

[ebon lodge]

Idk this cooler might be weird though, the pump is inside the radiator

[worthy meteor]

yea but the cold plate is always where it makes contact

[mortal grail]

I haven't but based on my limited chemistry knowledge you're adding something very abrasive to a metal loop

[worthy meteor]

I'm just curious if its something that might last for a year or if its something that'll fail in a week

[mortal grail]

In low concentration vinegar may work to clean it, but I wouldn't use it for a year no way

If you want something other than water, vodka unironically works

[ebon lodge]

Vinegar dissolves aluminum

[mortal grail]

Mmm it's corrosive

[ebon lodge]

So I feel like it wouldn’t be hype

[worthy meteor]

Did that thing actually last?

[mortal grail]

Wym

It would for sure

[worthy meteor]

I remember watching someone do it

[mortal grail]

Yes j2c tried it

What you get is basically like a water loop mix with a larger temperature tolerance

It's self sanitising because it's alco

But alcohol has higher heat tolerance

It's weak to combustion however

[worthy meteor]

found it again
https://youtu.be/IYTJfLyo_vE

5 years ago lmao

[mortal grail]

Highly excited, but if coolant temps stayed cold, it'd be fine

Or cool enough

It does work

It's just...not normal lmao

Alcohol is an excellent disinfectant and it's very inert to heat

Unironically good for loops

The main issue is alcohol is based on a yeast

So in time it in itself could become the problem lol

[worthy meteor]

I also did not know that guy did it a second time
https://youtu.be/4LQeY3T66eM

I guess it does work

[mortal grail]

ye

The even weirder part is it can be better than normal coolant

Despite what you know about alco

It's also great for near 0 exotic cooling

As the freezing temp of vodka/spirits is lower than water

[worthy meteor]

sounds perfect

lets go to market with a vodka aio

[opaque sedge]

U guys take chem classes for pc building or smth?

😭

[dusk knot]

Blood cooled gaming PC

[velvet summit]

https://youtu.be/Nqxjfp4Gi0k

[mortal grail]

I haven't done chem in years

[sinful blade]

https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Chronos-Gaming-Desktop-Motherboard/dp/B08JGB3LTF/

@mortal grail

[mortal grail]

I still have my usual reservations about undescribed parts but best one so far

As long as that psu is half decent

If you use that tier list, tier B or better

[sinful blade]

It’s only $774

Sky tech is at least an established company

[lone mango]

You think I should plug this sata drive into an enclosure and use it for recording and editing? Or should I have it in the system

Im not concerned about the bandwidth but with the random usage spikes

If I have to deal with installing it in my computer then so be it, but it would be convenient to have it as an external drive

Ngl typing that out sounded goofy ima just deal with the stiff cables and install it

[exotic ingot]

4x Z270 boards w/ celeron G3930
1x Z370 board w/ i3 8100
5x 4GB DDR4 dimms
4x 128GB sata SSD
4x RMx 1000W
1x RMi 1000W

[sullen laurel]

guys why is it called newegg

[elfin mural]

it's because

eggs are cool

[mortal grail]

We sell new eggs

(we don't, that stopped after salmonella)

[elfin mural]

salmon ella?

sounds delicious

[sinful blade]

[elfin mural]

That's demon for ya

God of deals

[sinful blade]

I’m pretty sure he could find me an entire pc build for $20

[sullen laurel]

from what animal?

||human||?

[elfin mural]

that's too much to ask smh

[sullen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/hear-me-out-gif-16405942403770438522

[mortal grail]

||yes||

[sullen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-25694630

how new?

[elfin mural]

https://x.com/insaneposes/status/1804395638660161775?t=mA-Vx3jO78n1YYVPaMuLFQ&s=19

insane poses (@insaneposes) on X

Twitter · Jun 22, 2024, 6:06 AM

i randomly found this

have fun

[exotic ingot]

lol

i mean i probably can

i have a couple PCs i bought for $8

i have $12 left in the budget

[sinful blade]

My first pc was made I believe with about $40
A friend had a lot of spare parts, and just needed a case

But I sold it for bills to not get evicted

[elfin mural]

took me 30 sec to get it

[exotic ingot]

each of these were $8 a piece

they're i7 4770 / 8GB ram dell optiplex's

several had SSDs

[devout forum]

This man is single-handedly causing the PSU shortage
Shame him people!

:3

[exotic ingot]

i just bought them all used today 😄

[devout forum]

Do you ship international?

[exotic ingot]

nope =/

too expensive

[devout forum]

Sadge

U American right?

[devout forum]

Intel desperate?

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-licking-lips-licks-lips-lick-hot-gif-25868176

[devout forum]

I mean I'd not buy 14th gen top stuff rn cuz of degradation

but it do seem like Intel's not selling that well rn

[proud jackal]

i have a degraded 14900k sitting on my desk

[devout forum]

yikers

[mortal grail]

Like less than 1% better

[devout forum]

???

curse English still not being my primarily lang

I'm assuming price to perf still bad?

[mortal grail]

The binning vs previous 14th and 13th i9's peaks only the tiniest bit higher

[mortal grail]

So like

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

You imagine a 9ghz 13900k

[devout forum]

since I remember 14900K going for something like 800 bucks before

[mortal grail]

14900ks will do 9.1

[wise wigeon]

ya'll usually download your software from guru3d or source

[mortal grail]

13900ks will do 9050

[proud jackal]

felix sell me 14900k

[mortal grail]

14900k 9050

[proud jackal]

[sinful blade]

Bruh

[mortal grail]

On average it's like the tiniest bit better, 14900ks

[sinful blade]

I have a PSU I spent $50

[mortal grail]

If you got a good early i9 then honestly the last 3 i9's have been worthless

[wise wigeon]

isnt ks just binned?

[mortal grail]

Yes

[exotic ingot]

buying bulk auction sales

[devout forum]

14900K is basically just binned 13900KS

[mortal grail]

But that doesn't mean you don't get a good KF

Or even early K

[sinful blade]

I don’t have any of those here

[devout forum]

top Intel chips rn are kinda just not viable IMO

[wise wigeon]

i mean anyone can win the silicon lottery

[mortal grail]

KS is allocated binning past a certain point, K's and KF's have good chips too

KF is not in the same binning pool as KS

[devout forum]

sure they are fast, but power draw, degradation, price

[sinful blade]

@exotic ingot do yoy just resell them?

[mortal grail]

You can still buy a KF that will be better than most KS'

[exotic ingot]

refurbish and resell

[wise wigeon]

the degradation hasn't been adressed by mobo manus yet?

[exotic ingot]

clean, repaste, put in a SSD

[wise wigeon]

lil wack

[devout forum]

Demon remind me to arrange a meeting with you when I get to America
With an envelope full of greenback to conduct business :3

[sinful blade]

How much do you resell them for then

[exotic ingot]

$100

[sinful blade]

Oh that isn’t bad

[mortal grail]

Here and there

Still investigating apparently

[wise wigeon]

man i wonder what got me so paranoid about downloading stuff in the last year or so

i used to have no problems and now i run like everything through virustotal

[mortal grail]

Good habit to have

[random osprey]

lot of bad stuff out there

[wise wigeon]

look

i was making a windows usb today

[sinful blade]

@mortal grail can a 5600g run fine with a gpu added?

[wise wigeon]

i even saw that my outlook was logged in automatically and i still ran the url and file

[mortal grail]

Ofc it can

[wise wigeon]

the g is just the non x with less cache right?

and well the igpu

[random osprey]

lot of fake websites out there as well that are top of the search list to fool people. more and more interesting ways for people to spread viruses

[wise wigeon]

thats fair

but i think i get a lil too paranoid

[random osprey]

a minecraft modpack on curseforge had an incident not too long ago with one of the mods injecting a virus when installed

[sinful blade]

So if I were to put together a 5600g build, I’d be fine with adding a gpu later?

[wise wigeon]

there is nothing that would prevent you using a new gpu

[mortal grail]

Half cache yeah. Essentially a 5500 with an igpu

[wise wigeon]

but the g is a lil weaker than the non x

[mortal grail]

It's a like a 3600

5600GT should be similar as well

But needs bios update

[wise wigeon]

some games you'll see a difference other you wont see much of one

aint the gt like 106 with a free item?

or ram

[mortal grail]

Pretty much ye

[wise wigeon]

ngl

[mortal grail]

Where psu

[sinful blade]

I own one

[wise wigeon]

you could build it cheaper

[mortal grail]

That's a lot for no psu

[sinful blade]

It’s just for a gift list

Tech-illiterate people

[mortal grail]

He right doe

[wise wigeon]

also the case is eh

[sinful blade]

I hate building lists

Last time I made a gift list was 2014

[wise wigeon]

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B550M-PRO-VDH-WIFI

woops

wrong things

[mortal grail]

5500+a520tufii+32gb+1tb sx8200pro+6650xt+argb-q5 case+ apevia prestige 600w

Is something like

[wise wigeon]

thought i copied an image apparently not

[mortal grail]

700$

$750

[sinful blade]

https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Chronos-Gaming-Desktop-Motherboard/dp/B08JGB3LTF/

Saw this on warehouse

[mortal grail]

Again the lack of a good psu description is concerning

As is with most prebuilts tho

[sinful blade]

Replace it immediately

Ez fix

[mortal grail]

Mmm

It's otherwise not bad

[sinful blade]

I just need something to put in the list

I tried making a parts list with fiancés build

And that was the most infuriating 2 weeks of my entire adult life

[wise wigeon]

ngl i was a lil annoyed with pcpartpicker

[mortal grail]

As I said that one wasn't bad with the psu out of it

[wise wigeon]

because it uses third paties on amazon

[mortal grail]

3080 is a terrible card for power spikes

The 450W variants have spikes in excess of 550w

[wise wigeon]

sweats in 3080 ft3 ultra

[mortal grail]

3090ti took the crown at well over 600w

Those are still amongst the worst

[sinful blade]

3090 was just the power draw king

[mortal grail]

Even the 4090 isn't as spike happy

Power behaviour wise 40 series is excellent

Good efficiency and excellent spike management

[sinful blade]

4060 has pretty good power draw doesn’t it?

[mortal grail]

But these things don't sell me

Yes

It's like 100w

[wise wigeon]

i mean 40 series wasn't amazing in other ways but power efficiency it was pretty decent

[mortal grail]

But the power advantages to me aren't worth more than a few $

[wise wigeon]

in laptops they were good for heat reasons

[mortal grail]

It takes seriously heavy use to make back the dozens of dollars in a pc from green energy savings

So you know, for me the value option wins

It's not equitable

[wise wigeon]

sameish performance plus frame gen and better thermals in laptops made em pretty nice

[mortal grail]

But yeah back to my original point I wouldn't normally be concerned with an 850w @sinful blade but a 3080 warrants concern

30 series deserves and really needs a good psu

Any old tier C is not a pass grade

So yeah, def swap when it gets there

[wise wigeon]

yeah i wish i knew about the spikes more early on

[mortal grail]

Unless you luck out

[mortal grail]

I mean, there are worse

[sinful blade]

I’ve only dealt with 1080 and 1660 super
My PSU was 400w for my first

[mortal grail]

XTX can be pretty spike happy

[sinful blade]

Have I ever shown my first build here?

[mortal grail]

Ye

6950xt also goes a bit power crazy

[sinful blade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2t3zLP

[wise wigeon]

well i have a evga 3080 and a multi rail psu

[mortal grail]

Multi rail

D.f?

[sinful blade]

I pushed that 960 to its LIMITS

[wise wigeon]

yeeeah

[mortal grail]

It's like the only one lmao

[sinful blade]

That mf should’ve died when I started d2

[wise wigeon]

it was a good deal at the time

[mortal grail]

Ye

Oh yeah d.f is a good unit

You just need to plan the power properly

Dual rail split into half nodes iirc

So if you have 850w, both rails are like 400W each

Gpu all on one rail will trip the psu

If it's a 450w ftw3

[sinful blade]

That ram was nice as heck tho

[mortal grail]

That said the d.f being multi rail is quite nice

[tranquil pebble]

I have a 1250W single rail

[mortal grail]

Esp. Back when it was on sale

D.f was really good

We're in a focus era rn

[mortal grail]

Single rail is fine. My 1650w is single rail iirc

[elfin mural]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/06/nearly-half-of-dells-workforce-refused-to-return-to-the-office/

[tranquil pebble]

its a tier so I'd hope so lol

[mortal grail]

What does dell even work on

They had camm

[elfin mural]

idk

lol

[mortal grail]

They changed the alienwares like once every 10 years

[tranquil pebble]

one of the few based dell moments

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-equips-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf-og-series-with-rtx-3090-ti-cooler

I wonder if this means good

[mortal grail]

Means it works

[elfin mural]

alr lol

[mortal grail]

The 3090ti tuf was decent

Not better than current tuf

[tranquil pebble]

4070 Ti that's chilling

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/kingpin-partners-up-with-pny-for-next-gen-geforce-graphics-cards

[mortal grail]

They're segmenting their product stack

[elfin mural]

Yeah it's a PNY

[mortal grail]

So like

[elfin mural]

The next kingpin

[mortal grail]

Tuf og will be the new base

Then tuf

Then strix

[elfin mural]

PNY Kingpin?

[mortal grail]

Prime rarely in the middle

[mortal grail]

Not surprised honestly

[elfin mural]

ya

[mortal grail]

Pny makes a lot of nvidia stuff

[tranquil pebble]

my first gaming PC had a PSU that is now F tier but only due to age

[wise wigeon]

Correct afterburner aight is the one with landing in the url right?

Site*

[mortal grail]

We may now even see quadro/rtx cards with kingpin

[tranquil pebble]

oh another joker pfp nice lol

[mortal grail]

The msi website

[wise wigeon]

Just too lazy to change

[mortal grail]

In fact just

Don't do either

[elfin mural]

There's now a gpu dock for $99

[mortal grail]

Go to guru3d for afterburner

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/minisforum-launches-99-external-gpu-dock-with-oculink-supports-rtx-4090

[mortal grail]

Lol

[wise wigeon]

See I like guru3d

[elfin mural]

Yay or nay?

[mortal grail]

Guru3d is safe

[elfin mural]

Oculink tho, does that mean..

[mortal grail]

Better than thunderbolt and not proprietary

[wise wigeon]

Love me some cpuz and ddu

[elfin mural]

No usb4?

Or something?

[wise wigeon]

Also used to look at their builds of the week

[tranquil pebble]

I should totally attach a 6900 XTXH to my ROG Ally for lulz

[elfin mural]

Why not anyway

It's just $99 now

Docks are becoming more affordable

[mortal grail]

If you have oculink tho

[elfin mural]

yeeeah

That's the issue

[tranquil pebble]

oh right well rip to that idea then

[elfin mural]

Tech moment

oculink is great but it's annoying aaa

[mortal grail]

Also no psu included

[elfin mural]

yep

[mortal grail]

It's kinda eh

It's a win tho

[elfin mural]

It's definitely a win

[mortal grail]

Thunderbolt egpu sucks

[tranquil pebble]

oculink could very well be added to my orange pi 5 plus though and attaching egpu to that would be funny

[elfin mural]

Nand price is about to drop again

[sinful blade]

I found my old rig 400s yesterday

[elfin mural]

That means

Cheaper ssds

[tranquil pebble]

time for me to wait for that then buy a 4 tb nvme

[sinful blade]

Still goin strong

[elfin mural]

good idea

[wise wigeon]

Yesyesyes

Wait

I just bought my brother a sn580

[elfin mural]

rip

[wise wigeon]

I mean it as $60 so not bad

But not great

[tranquil pebble]

I still use an SSD from 2014 as a boot drive. Its getting about time to retire it.

Crucial MX100 served me well for 10 years of daily use and still is but its slow compared to new drives.

[elfin mural]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-ai-9-365-zen5-apu-tested-ahead-of-launch-ipc-uplift-measured

If this is true

Not bad

10% uplift in IPC

[proud jackal]

Intel will beat it... R-right?

[fair onyx]

Welp... never seen that before lmaooo

[sinful blade]

What’s the perf difference in a 3600 and 3600x?

There’s a 3600x for sale for the price of a 3600

[fair onyx]

@sinful blade

damn near identical lol

[sinful blade]

I guess I’m putting the link to the 3600x in then lmao

[elfin mural]

psst

3600x has no cooler

iirc

if it does then go for it if it's cheaper

or same price

[storm narwhal]

What foxy said lol

[storm narwhal]

Ah yes of course

[sinful blade]

Comes with the special coolerp

Not stealth

[elfin mural]

alr

that's nice

[sinful blade]

But the other one

[elfin mural]

the rgb?

[sinful blade]

Still black

Lemme find it again

[elfin mural]

a better cooler than stealth is

nice

[sinful blade]

The spire cooler

I’ll just put on a cheap ID cooler if it doesn’t

[lone mango]

The spire is kinda cool

I think it had a copper coldplate

[elfin mural]

nah spire is the better choice

probably almost as good as a cheap tower

[lone mango]

I remember old ryzen having it and they replaced it with the stealth

I dont like the stealth

[elfin mural]

Spire has rgb ring

[sinful blade]

First gen spires didn’t I thought

[elfin mural]

Huh with ryzen 3000, they removed a vapor chamber inside

[sinful blade]

wtf why

[elfin mural]

idk

[sly plover]

undervolted and overclocked but like 3 years ago i have no clue what i did

[elfin mural]

But it's still ok

It's a 3600

Just with an X

[sly plover]

running at 5.0 with a 360mm aio

[elfin mural]

"Wraith Spires are offered in two variants, one with and one without a programmable RGB LED ring. It is usually bundled with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 CPUs and has a rating of 95W TDP.[3] The LED ring variant was discontinued with the Ryzen 3000 launch."

From wiki

[sly plover]

can arch be undervolted as easily as pascal?

[elfin mural]

AMD cheaped out on everything tf

[sly plover]

i remember my 1080ti undervolted really well

[tranquil pebble]

as long as the CPU itself is good I personally don't care

[elfin mural]

I'm just a bit puzzled

[mortal grail]

Can wha

[wise wigeon]

pascal as in the gpu archi?

[sly plover]

mb ampere not arch

archs not even CLOSE

😭

[wise wigeon]

i mean

undervolting itself is easy

[sly plover]

it is just wonderin if they undervolt as well

[wise wigeon]

was there something about pascal undervolting that was special because i'm too baby for that

[sly plover]

dont really remember just remember it went really easy

and it could handle a pretty big undervolt

[wise wigeon]

i mean i think they really benefit from the undervolt

[sly plover]

i mean u have a pretty similair system to mine

i just have a 9900k instead so

[wise wigeon]

but i generally undervolt because i prefer cooler temps

i mean a 10700k is pretty similar in perf

[sly plover]

yeah

just cooler no?

[wise wigeon]

i think?

10 is when they bumped the cores up iirc so yeah the core count is the same

[sly plover]

which 3080 do u have?

[wise wigeon]

evga ftw3 ultra

a chonker

[sly plover]

dang

i got the asus tuf card

that bareley even fits

[fair onyx]

I have a 3080 thats bigger than my 3090 FWT3 Ultra lmao

[sly plover]

then again i have fans on both sides of my aio so

[wise wigeon]

what the rog?

i know the rog strix is ridiculous

[sly plover]

kinda miss my 1080ti tho

that aorus xtreme had aura bro

[wise wigeon]

because the 3080 ftw3 is just 300mm

[sly plover]

this is my 3080

[wise wigeon]

rog strix 3080 just shy of the 320mm xfx 6800

[fair onyx]

That one is so much smaller than the one I have

[sly plover]

really nice feeling card tho

not really as big of a step up in performance as i hoped tho

[fair onyx]

the 3080 I have is absurdly massive

[sly plover]

oh that card

yeah was thinking of it

[fair onyx]

takes up more room than my 3090 FTW3 Ultra, yet weighs like half as much

[sly plover]

saw the dimensions

[wise wigeon]

the strix yeah

[sly plover]

ragh

[fair onyx]

what?

[wise wigeon]

the model

[lone mango]

fr

[fair onyx]

my card?

[wise wigeon]

wait

im blind

[fair onyx]

Thats MSI lmao

[sly plover]

puts in perspective how good the 1080ti was

[lone mango]

Floating rn
https://youtu.be/KwDEcgmCWYQ?list=PLVp84QtVnmRPQpdrtZUWI39pRT8MGVkoc

[wise wigeon]

strix has a similar build and i got my glasses off

[fair onyx]

Its an MSI 3080 Gaming trio X

Absurdly massive 3080

[sly plover]

did u undervolt ur card?

[fair onyx]

look at it compared to a founders edition lmao

[wise wigeon]

this is the strix

[fair onyx]

ah yeah, around the same size then

[sly plover]

is there an xtreme card aswell?

[fair onyx]

no idea

[sly plover]

just curious

[wise wigeon]

i'm sure there is

i just remember the vision more

[sly plover]

theyre gawdy (is that the right word?) asf but really nice cards

gaudy

[fair onyx]

I'm hopeful that the 5090 will have more VRAM, otherwise its not gonna be worth the upgrade from my 3090

[fair onyx]

Gaudy, but yeah, right use! haha

[sly plover]

i forgor the 5090 is releasing soon

[sly plover]

maybe i should have waited

[wise wigeon]

aorus 3080 was more lax

[sly plover]

eyesore but it had aura bro

watercooled one was nice tho

[wise wigeon]

the chonk of the ftw3 ultra was something

[sly plover]

whats with the 3 connectors?

[wise wigeon]

ah the red lips

[lone mango]

3 is crazy

[fair onyx]

my 3090 has 3 as well, and so does my 3080

[wise wigeon]

i mean its a ftw3

[sly plover]

how come some cards had 3 tho

[wise wigeon]

everything pales in comparison to 4090s though

[fair onyx]

Higher power limit

[fair onyx]

Some of them allow you to go wait over the normal power limit

My 3090 has a 450 w stock mode

[sly plover]

ah ic for ocing

[fair onyx]

Yeah. My card has an OC bios

[sly plover]

yeah heard the 4090 was absoluteley massive

[wise wigeon]

the evga 4090 that never was

[fair onyx]

My 3080 can draw 400 as well. So damn wasteful lol

[sly plover]

heard people complaining about the 3090 back in the day

[lone mango]

[sly plover]

3090 vs 4090

[fair onyx]

Ok, that's a low profile low performance 3090 TBD

*TBF

I had an even smaller one. It sucked

My 3090

Previous one, I mean

[sly plover]

horrible cooling?

[fair onyx]

Not as bad as you would assume. But definitely just barely enough to hit stock speeds

My 3090 FTW3 ultra is over 15% faster

[wise wigeon]

there was a evga bios that let the ftw3 go to 500w

[fair onyx]

The one on my card lets it go to 450, so I believe it

Or maybe it's actually 500

IDK, the cooler can't keep up with it even at stock TBH 😅

I was hoping the cooler would have been better

[wise wigeon]

i undervolt for temps ngl

i prefer sub 75 temps

[fair onyx]

I do super heavy work on my card, so it gets really hot. Even in its stock bios it will hit its thermal limit

I usually just run it at lower TDP cause it doesn't lose too much power

[wise wigeon]

i'm at like 1815 0.85

[fair onyx]

I will likely mess with undervolting again sometime

I'm struggling to do my work for my job cause it's so damn hot here, and my 3090 is a space heater

[wise wigeon]

i mean mine could def be better

[fair onyx]

I had flip my schedule to nocturnal so I can hopefully open my window for a little bit when it gets down to reasonable temps

It's almost 12AM and it's still too hot to open my window

Hopefully when I start earning money I will be able to get an AC unit working for my room

[mortal grail]

Evga moment

450w go FWWEEEEEEEEEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-goldstein-frnd-maliboo-song-animation-plane-gif-18962261

[wise wigeon]

nah i just like low temps

also i went the evga upgrade route since availability was rough

so i bought a evga 2070 super and waited til it was my turn

[fair onyx]

Anybody know if that NVIDIA auto overclock in the NVIDIA app will change the voltage on the core? If so, I wanna do that and then just TDP limit for the max efficiency

[wise wigeon]

fat undervolt to drop temps and noise significantly and - 100w power draw for a small fps drop is a win for me

aio is louder than my gpu

[fair onyx]

I wish there was a more efficient way for me to do my work

Have my PC in a way where it doesn't heat the hell out of my room

Trying to do work on a 90F room is not fun 😭

[wise wigeon]

cant break physics

i'm used to hot rooms

i used to have an fx cpu

[fair onyx]

Hmm... I guess I can try and 3D print the brackets I need for my AC unit. And then try and fix it in the window so nothing can get in

The problem is them potentially melting

[wise wigeon]

dont window units mount like that by deafault

[mortal grail]

Smort

Patience OP

[fair onyx]

I guess I can paint them white to try and stop them from melting and then 3D print some new ones in PETG when my room is cool

[wise wigeon]

look at least i had that, i was still trying for drops

[fair onyx]

Or who knows, maybe they would survive that temp. Though I am not sure

[wise wigeon]

and if i managed a drop i would sell the evga

[fair onyx]

I need to sell my 3080

[wise wigeon]

but i didn't so i got my consolation prize

idk if you'd get that much for it now

[fair onyx]

It's not being used, so anything back would be good honestly

[wise wigeon]

fair

[fair onyx]

It legit was used for like... A month

Other than that, it's basically brand new

I wonder how much 3D printing I will need to do in order to get these brackets made

If any of my brackets from my old house fit, that would be a life saver

[river elk]

anyone got good ddr4 32gb kit reccs

good die for ocing pref

[fair onyx]

Which DDR?

[river elk]

4

[mortal grail]

[proud jackal]

[modern imp]

if you want anything competitant for ddr4 you are literally paying more than ddr5 now

[river elk]

i have a ddr4 motherboard

[modern imp]

all of the good ICs got discontinued

[mortal grail]

Fallen I thought you were too busy for pc stuff

[mortal grail]

Hell not even just more than ddr5, more than the best ddr5 at that

Maybe lil asterisk to that statement now but it's essentially true

[river elk]

I mean I need more ram for my uni research

I just thought I would pick up a nice kit to OC for free time

but speed lowkey does not matter I juszt want something I can pop in to make my simulations go zoom

taking me 4 minutes to generate a map of illinois for some reason

[mortal grail]

This is hurting my brain

Ima dip

[elfin mural]

[river elk]

Bruh

I just want more ram thats all

[tranquil pebble]

YouTube Music decided I should listen to the Top Gun Anthem. Absolute fire and timeless.

[tranquil pebble]

with what ?

[river elk]

Geopandas

[wooden goblet]

can newegg assemble a pc for someone? i dont trust myself to assemble a high end pc just yet but i cant find an option for them to assemble it for me

[tranquil pebble]

no but there are companies who do

[tranquil pebble]

iBuyPower is what I used in 2009 but with how long it's been I can't vouch for their quality now

[wooden goblet]

ok bet ill check that out i forgot that i built my current pc with ibuypower

Thank u 🙏

[tranquil pebble]

they let you select parts so dont forget to choose a decent psu

[storm narwhal]

Don't cheap out on the psu

It goes, your entire PC could go with it

[mortal grail]

Always good psu

When in doubt, corsair RM

Seasonic focus

MSI AG

Can't go wrong with these

[wooden goblet]

will look into each one, the price is getting kinda high tho might just have to suck it up and build it myself

[tranquil pebble]

yeah id do that if I were you

[wooden goblet]

just seems pretty risky

idk tho my dad did IT like 20 years ago amybe he can help

[tranquil pebble]

only go with iBP or similar if you absolutely can not build your self

[wooden goblet]

im down to try to do it myself i guess

[tranquil pebble]

not all IT people are good with internal parts Sometimes they're just networking etc

[wooden goblet]

pretty sure he built pcs not positive tho

would u mind looking at the build im going with idk if im bottlenecking myself at all

wait i cant post screenshots

[tranquil pebble]

definitely better than asking a programmer for help with hardware though lol

many of them graduate without even knowing what the inside of a PC looks like

software problems though? they'll be generally very helpful

[wooden goblet]

i mean maybe but he hasnt done any of that for like 20 years i might b on my own

[tranquil pebble]

someone else might be able to advise on psu choice

I can tell you if the other parts are decent

[wooden goblet]

https://newegg.io/9c76412a

this what im working with yeah i think maaybe i invest in a better psu

if it really is that important, which it sounds like it is

[tranquil pebble]

it'll work but that GPU isn't good value

[wooden goblet]

4070 ts better?

value* at least

[tranquil pebble]

no, Radeon

unless you're dead set on GeForce

also be aware that Nvidia cards tend to be chonkers and you need a case with enough room

[wooden goblet]

i got a couple of friends with similar builds, one has the same case and motherboard with a 4070 ti super so i might just stick with that

[tranquil pebble]

excellent cpu choice

[wooden goblet]

why i get message deleted

our main game is tarkov which doesnt run well for me but they get good frames so whatever works for them is probably fine for me

its a lot to think about

oh and yeah that cpu looks really good

[tranquil pebble]

it isn't just really good, its one of the best you can get for gaming

[wooden goblet]

better than 14700k?

[tranquil pebble]

yes

[wooden goblet]

wrd

u said radeon better what would u recommend

[tranquil pebble]

the x3d cache can really help

7900 XTX is cheaper than 4080 Super and you get more VRAM

plus you get smart access memory from combo of AMD CPU and GPU

[tranquil pebble]

but always check the video card length compared to the max the case supports

On full towers, this doesn't really matter because they're always so big, but mid towers vary more

[wooden goblet]

ok ill make sure of that

7900 xtx looks like the move tbh

[tranquil pebble]

its a beast for the price point

[wooden goblet]

would 24g of memory be significantly better than just 20

300$ worth

[tranquil pebble]

probably not

Unless you're doing 4k

Honestly, you'd be hard to find better value than this from Nvidia

[tranquil pebble]

but keep in mind the GPU itself is also a bit slower than XTX, though not enough to justify the price increase in terms of $ for perf

[wooden goblet]

right yeah i mean thats fine

300 is a big jump

ok i think im locking it in with this build

https://newegg.io/9c76412a

now, psu still might need a little bit of upgrading

[tranquil pebble]

good to see you not giving in to Nvidia's outrageous pricing lol

[wooden goblet]

yeah and from the 2 minutes of research ive done, it performs better than the 4080 on the games i play the most

[tranquil pebble]

exactly

only time I'd recommend Nvidia is if you need features exclusive to them, or are going 4090

[wooden goblet]

when i have another $2000 lying around ill upgrade to a 4090

[tranquil pebble]

for gaming, Radeon tends to be better value

been that way for a long time

[wooden goblet]

yeah i really only hear about nvidias tho

[tranquil pebble]

they market and advertise HARD

[wooden goblet]

never hear anything about radeon launches

yeah its pretty effective i would imagine

[tranquil pebble]

yeah, AMD needs to step it up on their marketing

their engineering seems quite capable though

[wooden goblet]

my current is 1080 ti and its worked decently for the past 5ish years but its time to move on

[tranquil pebble]

that was a legendary card for its time, but unfortunately yeah its time is running out

[wooden goblet]

yeah i can barely get 100fps on most aaa games

ok well i really appreciate the help i feel like im starting to undestand what im doing

but now i gotta figure out how to assemble it so things could still fall apart

but yeah ty

[mortal grail]

@wooden goblet are we making from scratch or getting it built

[wooden goblet]

Ordering parts and making it myself

From scratch

Ig

[mortal grail]

Ok I can improve your cost significantly then

Gimme a few min

[wooden goblet]

Oh bet

[mortal grail]

@wooden goblet rgb yes or no

[wooden goblet]

No

Take it or leave it really, doesn’t look great to me

[mortal grail]

Sweet that makes it super easy

Are you deadset on the north or will consider options

Sorry, using lingo

Deadset on the *case

[wooden goblet]

I like the case but honestly whatever gets the job done works

[mortal grail]

Ok no worries

[wooden goblet]

I’m not really about aesthetics

[mortal grail]

I could pick a case with no glass if you prefer

Make it all disappear lol

[wooden goblet]

If it brings the price down 🤷‍♂️

[mortal grail]

Hmmm $5 difference so more a preference thing

Lol

[wooden goblet]

And it still works with all the parts?

[mortal grail]

I'll put the other case in, you can pick lol

Yeah ofc

[wooden goblet]

Right right

[mortal grail]

Last question

How much would you prefer to spend ideally

Vs what your maximum is

[wooden goblet]

Prefer around 2.2 I could work with 2.5

[mortal grail]

I can get it down to I think 1.9

Or up to 2.7

Lol

No middle ground

[wooden goblet]

What 1.9

[mortal grail]

In fact it's 1.8

1883

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C9bKjH

With a faster gpu and 64gb

Now

why 64gb

Normally I'd say "32 is fine"

However

[wooden goblet]

Or both actually, if 2.7 is attractive enough I might be able to make some room

[mortal grail]

Well 2.7 has a 4090

Lol

[wooden goblet]

Damn ok

Oh right

[mortal grail]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hwRvMV

[wooden goblet]

I mean it’ll last a while I bet

[mortal grail]

2653 to be exact

Oh yeah

That's like

Peak performance right there

Anyway back to my small rant

[mortal grail]

However, I know a lad who used to lurk here

obsessed with tarkov

He's a beast at the game

Actually insane reflexes

He used to ramble a lot in here about tarkov

And I learned a little tidbit

Tarkov often tries to use all 32gb of ram

So since you mention tarkov, I make this suggestion with that little potato of info in mind to go 64gb

Normally I'd not say so for that tho

32 is usually fine

[wooden goblet]

Ok yeah that actually crazy useful

[mortal grail]

And 48 is just expensive

[tranquil pebble]

bird strike on my car... no damage and the bird flew off so meh

[wooden goblet]

The main reason I’m getting a new pc I’d tarkov

[mortal grail]

Yeah I figured

[tranquil pebble]

bird literally flew into the side of my car

[mortal grail]

Lol did you have a heart attack

Normally how that goes

[wooden goblet]

Such is life I hit a raccoon once

Sad times

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[tranquil pebble]

nope I saw it was going to happen and just accepted it

[wooden goblet]

I do have a couple of questions tho
20$ for a cpu cooler seems really low

[mortal grail]

Just reading that under the name "epic" makes for great no context memes

[mortal grail]

AMD X3D has a very bemusing trait

Quick uh

Science lesson

As you may know or maybe not, AMD's X3D v-cache is a layer of copper