It's going to help even if it doesn't fix
#general-chat
mortal grail
rancid juniper
celeron 300a pencil OCed to 450mhz daily stable
can run roblox:
rancid juniper
lol
light egret
you might have an option in bios to update over wifi instead of having to download and do it manually
rancid juniper
id probably get rekt
grand kernel
you might have an option in bios to update over wifi instead of having to downlo...
that sounds terrifying ngl
rancid juniper
where fat64?
craggy shoal
where fat64?
Fr tbh
elfin mural
fat128 where
light egret
that sounds terrifying ngl
lol why you say that
rancid juniper
fat128 where
too fat 👀
opaque sedge
you might have an option in bios to update over wifi instead of having to downlo...
How do I get into bios?
light egret
I wouldn't do it with my wifi but as long as the connection is stable
elfin mural
imagine 128 bit computing
craggy shoal
It's 2024. Nobody's using 32GB flash drives anymore 💀
grand kernel
idk call me old fashioned but I don't trust anything like that I want to update from a local file
rancid juniper
imagine 128 bit computing
That's PC 2
light egret
restart pc and press Del or whatever it says at bottom of screen on post screen
craggy shoal
How do I get into bios?
Carefully
mortal grail
@modern imp this is in the overclocking chat. 6400 synced. 1.2425 vsoc 1.43(?) vdd. 64gb
grand kernel
bios update over wifi with packet loss 😳
mortal grail
That's my numbers
opaque sedge
Every time I restart and try spamming f2 or del its not going in
mortal grail
It's just not tight, and therefore high vdd works
grand kernel
my networking classes taught me enough about how much I want to trust bios update over wifi
rancid juniper
imagine your internet lagging causing your bios and whole pc to lag with it
craggy shoal
Turn off fast startup lol
grand kernel
tfw the entire class is "ok class how do we keep the connection from screwing this up"
craggy shoal
Skill issue
grand kernel
"okay good you fixed that problem here's 15 more correctness problems we need to fix"
craggy shoal
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838
Yes 💀
opaque sedge
Ok i think something is blocking my apps from opening because when razer synapse tried to launch automatically it didn’t
grand kernel
chat, are you a true gamer if you don't download your bios files and verify the md5 hash?
mortal grail
I like my fast start up tyvm
It doesn't make things faster it just hurts stability
opaque sedge
And what bios am I looking for?
grand kernel
It's 2024. Nobody's using 32GB flash drives anymore 💀
ummm excuse me
mortal grail
And what bios am I looking for?
Type your mobo name in and go to the support section on the mobo's website
Exact name
grand kernel
I have a pile of trash 8-32gb usbs I keep around just for this purpose
we love legacy tech
light egret
iunno there was def a diff for me
craggy shoal
Forgot that I’m one of the few Nextcloud self-hosters here lol
grand kernel
wait until he learns that the i9-14900KS still boots in 32-bit protected mode
kids these days
opaque sedge
This is the only windows pc in the house I will download all the stuff i need
craggy shoal
This guy shopping for a BIOS rn
mortal grail
Type your mobo name in and go to the support section on the mobo's website
@opaque sedge
grand kernel
I just told you it works on a mac anyways 💀
mortal grail
I don't have the name
opaque sedge
<@692066236799909908>
Do i need to clear my usb first?
grand kernel
no
mortal grail
If it's fat 32 no
light egret
I just told you it works on a mac anyways 💀
He was having trouble downloading the windows installation media from mac the other day
mortal grail
Ntsc yes
grand kernel
well that's more understandable tbh
mortal grail
Or whatever the other format is
grand kernel
since the default method for that is running an exe
opaque sedge
Looks like it’s already installed
grand kernel
I think they hide the ISO option a bit and promote the media creation tool first and foremost
grand kernel
you can only use american usbs
well duh, how is the USB gonna talk to the computer if it doesn't understand english
smh
light egret
I made that same mistake like 2 days ago lol
sinful blade
Smh
light egret
I'm a game collector so ntsc is my default accronym starting with N
grand kernel
all this dumb binary and assembly language and pythons
this is america our computers should speak american
😠
elfin mural
or should i hate win explorer
grand kernel
ok that's fair
light egret
sudo make em work darn tootin
elfin mural
it dies when transferring huge files
grand kernel
ntfs is separate from explorer though
elfin mural
fair
opaque sedge
Guys something’s wrong with my time settings its 3:52 pm rn
grand kernel
sudo make em work darn tootin
sudo? son that there sounds like one of them chinese words
opaque sedge
sudo make em work darn tootin
Its the burn command right
grand kernel
I told you to speak american in this glorious country
light egret
sudo? son that there sounds like one of them chinese words
😂 i didn't know how to make it sound like I was running in cmd so I went with bash
grand kernel
time getting desynced is pretty common when a PC is crashing/having issues
you know
you can actually type straight chinese characters into the shell and it works fine
I tried it
felt like I was committing a crime
light egret
Its the burn command right
sudo is the bash (linux) command for run as administrator
the rest was gibberish
light egret
why's that
it's bash, commonly used in linux, since most people prob won't know what bash means lol
grand kernel
unix is not linux 😤
light egret
makes it easier to understand and I can just have you ban anyone who gets upset over it 😉
nah theyre the same thing to me
grand kernel
ummm ackshually I'm the one that's upset!
opaque sedge
Ok so earlier when I wasn’t able to launch any apps, i was able to launch them after steam opened up automatically
grand kernel
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
light egret
i know its not, but it kinda is
opaque sedge
Ok so earlier when I wasn’t able to launch any apps, i was able to launch them a...
Maybe it was because of this
grand kernel
I use arch btw
light egret
"i'll have you know i'm a navy seal" vibes
opaque sedge
Cuz when I was making a bios drive I accidentally pressed the power button when I removed it
And now its not letting me open the apps again
vapid wigeon
grand kernel
ok but if you think about it, linux users are basically navy seals
an elite squadron of highly trained individuals compared to your average windows user
light egret
😂
grand kernel
😎
elfin mural
smh
grand kernel
if you really think about it
spreading the word of FOSS is more important than anything the military has ever done
they fight for the present... we fight for the future
tips fedora
light egret
tips mushroom cap*
grand kernel
m'ushroom cap
light egret
do you know if it's still bad
same tbh
I used to go back a lot in hopes it got better again but it was always worse lol
but your icon is nastalgia
light egret
I think that's around the last time I checked it out too lol
maybe as late as 2020
wait I can check maybe
grand kernel
ah
imo it's just got the same problem that every korean mmo eventually has
if you progress by grinding RNG systems there will eventually be a breakpoint where further progression no longer feels satisfying
opaque sedge
My screen blacked out guys
light egret
for some reason, steam says last played jan 8 but that is def not right
grand kernel
imo the game was fun and rewarding until around 30k stat
past that I stopped really having fun with progression and was just playing for sunk cost
light egret
My screen blacked out guys
I would just do full system restore at this point and see if it happens again
grand kernel
hit 42k before I quit
opaque sedge
I would just do full system restore at this point and see if it happens again
Yh how do i do that?
grand kernel
at least I made a lot of money from selling my account lol
light egret
force restart the pc 3 times, restarting it the moment you see post screen, go to recovery tools> system restore> factory reset
grand kernel
helped with recovering some of that sunk cost
I played reboot so didn't sink any money but time is a cost too
light egret
I spent a lot of my parents money on NX back in my first few years playing but like once it basically became ptw i never spent money on it
opaque sedge
force restart the pc 3 times, restarting it the moment you see post screen, go t...
For force restart i have to keep on pressing the power button right?
light egret
hold power button
grand kernel
I ended up making about $4/hr from playing maplestory lmao
would be a decent living in some countries
think that's more than what the venezuelan runescape gold farmers make
elfin mural
$4 an hour
light egret
For force restart i have to keep on pressing the power button right?
just so you are aware, a factory reset will delete everything and reinstall windows fresh. This means you will have to reinstall your drivers afterwards.
elfin mural
that's baller for my country
grand kernel
roughly 600 hours dedicated to progression, sold account for $2400
grand kernel
in the capital?
elfin mural
yes
grand kernel
damn dude
elfin mural
even in the capital
grand kernel
maplestory viable career path
work 600 hours to make rent for a year
bro I put in 100 hours/week for school this quarter and I'm not even getting paid
LMAO
light egret
it's so dumb that people will buy accounts in a game like that for that amount of money
grand kernel
I'm moving to thailand and becoming a professional maplestory player
light egret
they whole point is to get there yourself
opaque sedge
Can I go into the restore menu from here?
light egret
no
grand kernel
it's so dumb that people will buy accounts in a game like that for that amount o...
yeah I never got the appeal
light egret
force restart til it ask you to go into recovery mode
grand kernel
like the whole point of an MMO is to feel yourself progressing and work towards goals
what's the point of skipping to the end lol
I was very comfortably endgame by then, there were very few goals left in the game to work toward
bored rich people that want to ego I guess
opaque sedge
force restart til it ask you to go into recovery mode
I’m holding the power button and it just shutdown and its not starting up
light egret
you shut down, then press button to turn it back on
then hold to shut down, repeat 3 times
grand kernel
especially in chinese culture, there's a huge emphasis on showing off (chinese is my first language I can say this lol)
elfin mural
yeah 2400 usd can rent you a decent flat for a year in thailand
light egret
and you wanna start holding it the moment post shows up
grand kernel
the guy who bought it was chinese
elfin mural
and still have side cash left
opaque sedge
and you wanna start holding it the moment post shows up
Whats post?
grand kernel
I imagine he just wanted to show off for a bit he didn't even play it for that long
light egret
the logo screen for your mobo
the first thing you see when something shows up on screen
grand kernel
I would check my old character in rankings once in a while out of curiosity
light egret
that's your post screen
opaque sedge
the logo screen for your mobo
Started holding it and it shutdown again
grand kernel
I'm pretty sure he was a hacker too so that makes it even weirder that he would buy an account
maybe he wanted to buy rep I dunno lol
elfin mural
probably to flex
opaque sedge
Oh wait i think i got it
elfin mural
and attempt to look cool
light egret
once you do it 3 times, it should go to recovery mode instead of your login screen
opaque sedge
Its automatic repair right?
grand kernel
he was showing off some of his progress to me in the first few weeks after he bought it and he was progressing way too fast for it to be legit
light egret
show pic
grand kernel
and making some really reckless decisions
elfin mural
o
elfin mural
so he's hacking it too
grand kernel
like for example
elfin mural
weird af
grand kernel
there's this one ring in the game
light egret
click advanced options
grand kernel
it's one of the best in slot rings
light egret
then show another pic
grand kernel
and you can only get 1 on your character ever
opaque sedge
click advanced options
Yup
grand kernel
so the common thing was to enhance it to +17 since +17 is the highest enhancement you can get without any chance to destroy the item
I had mine at +17 when I sold the account
2 days later he shows me that ring at +22
light egret
click troubleshoot
grand kernel
going for +22 is 7-8 destroys on average
light egret
then you should have an option for system restore
grand kernel
so imagine going for an enhancement level where you usually need 8-9 copies of the item to reach it
opaque sedge
then you should have an option for system restore
grand kernel
on an item where you can only ever get 1
light egret
reset your pc
grand kernel
and it's actually huge permanent damage to your character if you lose it
opaque sedge
reset your pc
Should I remove everything? I didn’t have anything important downloaded
grand kernel
you can never get it back and losing it means you permanently lose access to like 20-30% damage
opaque sedge
maybe its advanced options again
There is a restore in advanced options
light egret
there may be something on there that's conflicting and causing issues
click back and go to reset this pc
grand kernel
also I was one of the fastest legit farmers in the world
light egret
I was wrong lol
grand kernel
for confirmed rates
and I could only farm 1.4b/hr tryharding
the stuff he showed me
opaque sedge
I was wrong lol
Local reinstall right?
grand kernel
was like he was maintaining 20bil per day income
light egret
also I was one of the fastest legit farmers in the world
I was a mercher when I started. became rich af by buying and reselling. Had a few mil. Then they released the meso bags and made all my work useless 
local reinstall
grand kernel
that means you had to match one of the fastest farmers in the world consistently for 14+ hours/day
that's certainly possible and not evidence of hacking but it seems a little bit sus
opaque sedge
local reinstall
Now?
grand kernel
especially when you know how much APM is required to maintain those farming rates
I logged 695 APM just doing my normal farming rotation lmao
imagine keeping up 695 APM for 14+ hours a day 7 days a week
your hands would be destroyed bro
grand kernel
I was a mercher when I started. became rich af by buying and reselling. Had a fe...
I burned 200bil in a single sitting just to end up weaker than I started
because of rng progression systems
light egret
lmao
opaque sedge
I burned 200bil in a single sitting just to end up weaker than I started
You burned what?!
grand kernel
what is apm?
actions per minute
695 actions per minute
actions can be considered keypresses, clicks, or significant mouse movements
light egret
When I was playing originally I got to level 20 on my main and then just spent almost all my time in the FM buying and selling and within like a month I had a few mil and thought I was the greatest.
grand kernel
so I was keeping up 11.6 keypresses, clicks, or significant mouse movements per second
for hours
opaque sedge
I burned 200bil in a single sitting just to end up weaker than I started
Are u guys talking about a game?
grand kernel
yes
grand kernel
I was holding back at level 250 by choice
light egret
back when level 20 was an acomplishment 😂
grand kernel
cause the best farming map in the game would start hitting you with meso penalties above level 250
I did the math and I would have been level 267 if I didn't hold back
light egret
level 30+ were the people who were good, 100 were amazing, 200 were legendary and rare
grand kernel
back when level 20 was an acomplishment 😂
ehhh
I don't think level 20 was ever a serious accomplishment, it just felt that way when we were kids
light egret
probably true
but like everyone I knew was 20-35 and having trouble getting higher lol
grand kernel
I mean I played during the OG days and I only got to level 22 but there was tiger back then
people in level 180s
light egret
yeh tiger was kinda mean tbh lmao
grand kernel
before fangblade era
light egret
I saw him and tried to talk to him and he was rude
grand kernel
a few years back I hosted a private local maplestory server with a pretty old version
grand kernel
cause I wanted to take a look at all the content I missed as a kid
it was honestly pretty boring
light egret
Smelly MS
grand kernel
kids' imagination does a lot to fill in the gaps
thorn quartz
What would a ps120 be able to run? I need a new cooler and will upgrade to either 12400 or a 12600k
grand kernel
oh I mean local as in it was just my gf and I playing on a private instance
light egret
I mean the drive for me was talking to other people and hanging out
grand kernel
I didn't give it a name or anything
light egret
I moved around a lot in schools so didn't really have a chance to make friends for a while, so MS was a good crutch
grand kernel
didn't invite anyone else either
yeah
the social aspect was a big part of it
the actual game really does not have much substance
current maple is a much better game in that regard
grand kernel
did you start in beta?
no
opaque sedge
After today’s experience i will now make sure to keep important files and documents in an external drive
grand kernel
I got in at like version 13 or something
I'm not sure how old I was when beta came out
but I was 8 when I started in version 13 and I was definitely too young to understand the game lol
opaque sedge
So the install was at this rate and the monitor lost signal again
grand kernel
I remember when I loaded into the game for the first time
opaque sedge
So the install was at this rate and the monitor lost signal again
Nvm it turned back on
light egret
After today’s experience i will now make sure to keep important files and docume...
get another hard drive or cheaper ssd and install it, keep files there. Other hard drives wont be reset if you have to do this again
grand kernel
it was still the conveyor belt tutorial
and they started you on a balcony outside of the tutorial room
opaque sedge
What do i do?
grand kernel
and you had to proceed by talking to the npc who would let you in
light egret
I don't think the conveyer belt was there when I first started
It started you out in a field
grand kernel
and my dumbass sat there for more than an hour jumping around trying to find an entrance or anything
because I couldn't figure out how to talk to the npc
then I had to go to bed but I couldn't figure out how to close the game
opaque sedge
What do i do?
Guys screen blacked out again
grand kernel
so I just turned off my PC with the power button to get out
was my first experience with anything full screen I knew about the red X button but it wasn't there lol
I knew it was bad to turn off PC with power button too but I just couldn't figure it out
light egret
Guys screen blacked out again
shut down your pc and take off your cpu cooler, make sure theres no plastic on it or anything, then reseat everything so like unplug your gpu and ram and plug em back in firmly
grand kernel
I think I missed some skill points too cause I grinded to level 11 as a beginner
grand kernel
instead of getting a job advancement
I also did the classic give my warrior some int cause I don't want him to be stupid
didn't have the patience to roll the stat dice either
light egret
was my first experience with anything full screen I knew about the red X button ...
we used to tell people that if you press alt+f4 you get a free level up and then you'd see half the people in the map dissapear lmao.
opaque sedge
Should I bypass? Or connect? Seems like the wifi drivers are still here
light egret
connect
grand kernel
when I finally got to victoria island as a level 11 beginner
some lvl 100 dude was sitting there
and he offered me 50k to buy my pants
and I had like 30 mesos so I was like heck yeah
light egret
lmao
opaque sedge
Are you guys talking about an old game?
light egret
yeah its called Maple Story
opaque sedge
I got lost in my pc crap
grand kernel
yes
light egret
Its a 2D sidescroller MMO
grand kernel
I'm talking about 2006
he started earlier I guess
but yeah I never actually played the game for the game
light egret
mightve been 2003 or 2004?
grand kernel
I kinda just sat around henesys/hhg1 and talked to people
light egret
im guessing you're like 26?
grand kernel
we went from getting excited to hit 400 damage
grand kernel
to wondering when they'll finally raise the damage cap from 10bil
light egret
I was born mostly deaf but could hear ok with hearing aids. I lost all hearing in my right ear a few years back so now I have a hearing aid in one ear and cochlear implant in the other. I can hear fine with those tools though
grand kernel
back in 2019 you had to be able to hit at least a 2 trillion damage parse in 40 seconds to be accepted for endgame boss parties
opaque sedge
I was born mostly deaf but could hear ok with hearing aids. I lost all hearing i...
Oh damn
grand kernel
I wonder what the minimum requirement is now lol
light egret
I wonder if they ever upped to max meso you can hold lol
grand kernel
I think they raised it again but idk
it was 30bil when I quit
when I saved up 200bil I had to store it across several characters still
light egret
that was the biggest upset, when you needed 10bil to buy the simplist thing, yet you could only hold 2, so you had to have it across 5 acocunts and just hope the guy you were buying from wasn't going to dissapear before you finish giving him the money
grand kernel
yeah it's annoying tbh maple was constantly just struggling with keeping up with the times
did you hear about line meta?
light egret
it raises and lowers different tones (usually raises) at different freequencies to make it louder
it's complicated but it's basically a sound amplifier
set up new pc
opaque sedge
it raises and lowers different tones (usually raises) at different freequencies ...
Oh so it doesn’t send sound signals directly to the brain
light egret
so the cochlear implant kinda does that
grand kernel
line meta was actually such insanely toxic gameplay
and they took so long to fix it
years
light egret
its a wire with electrodes wrapped around the cochlea (inner ear) basically bypassing the ear. Then theres a hearing device on the outside that takes sounds and sends it to a coil, which is connected via magnet to the inside processor, shocking the hearing nerves, tricking it into hearing
opaque sedge
so the cochlear implant kinda does that
Damn imagine the possible nerve gear iteration uses something similar for sound recreation
light egret
I mean this requires invasive surgery and its $250,000 per ear lmao
opaque sedge
Is this good?
light egret
yeah that's fine
grand kernel
its a wire with electrodes wrapped around the cochlea (inner ear) basically bypa...
bro is overclocking his ears
they only came with one core working 😔
tranquil pebble
got a covid vaccine booster today
light egret
bro is overclocking his ears
lmao I was able to get through the physical therapy that was supposed to take over a year in less than 2 months. Most people get maybe 70% hearing back, well that's what I had with hearing aids so thats the max I expected. I ended up at 100% in that ear now somehow in 2 months.
My doctor wanted to do a case study on me. He also tried to alter it and I was like hell no I like where it's at. He wanted to lower it 😩
grand kernel
bruh
sinful blade
Is this good?
Never saw the point in having any of these permissions on
light egret
4 years in no issues. Actually I need a new external coil cause the wire is kinda shorting but it works
light egret
they do that apparently
grand kernel
😭
opaque sedge
I need to go out for a moment can i leave my pc like this?
light egret
That first month though was trippy af. Hearing things made me dizzy and everything sounded like high pitched robotic mickey mouse
light egret
should be fine as long as your pc isn't overheating
grand kernel
if everything sounded like high pitched robotic mickey mouse forever I think I'd ask them to take it back out
I'd rather be deaf
💀
opaque sedge
should be fine as long as your pc isn't overheating
My case panels are off if that poses a problem
grand kernel
yeah I'm glad it did
light egret
If you stay upside down for long enough you will see right side up
grand kernel
cause that legit sounds like psychological torture lmao
light egret
then when you go right side up again everything is flipped upside down
opaque sedge
i mean it goes away. the brain is a powerful thing. It corrects
Imagine future gaming pcs using modified brains for processing
And rasterization
light egret
elon neurallink when
tranquil pebble
i mean it goes away. the brain is a powerful thing. It corrects
yeah iirc it makes new connections so to speak
opaque sedge
Should I?
light egret
you've never seen a teacher mad until theyre yelling at you and you just, turn off your hearing aids. lmao
grand kernel
muted them irl 💀 that's crazy
pliant berry
I would skip armoury crate
light egret
I have no idea what that is
pliant berry
it's for rgb and stuff but it doesn't work particularly well and there are 3rd party alternatives
grand kernel
they try pushing it on you if you have anything from them
opaque sedge
Oh yeah forgot to ask last time but what’s the deal with this?
light egret
edge want you to use edge instead
grand kernel
they want you to use their browser
light egret
you can ignore it
grand kernel
edge and chrome are basically the same thing by now anyways
pliant berry
they've been doing that for a while lol. kinda like the meme that internet explorer did one job very well... downloading chrome
opaque sedge
they want you to use their browser
Damn that’s sad
grand kernel
firefox >>>
light egret
so first thing I would do is install your cpu drivers and then gpu drivers and make sure everything works
opaque sedge
I feel bad for the man who had to program that
grand kernel
would you still feel bad after seeing their salary
light egret
then I would download something like HWiNFO or NZXT CAM to keep an eye on temps and stuff. Make sure your temps never go above about 80c
pliant berry
I still have firefox on all my systems but I really like using arc for work now
light egret
80c is about the max you want it. 90c for short time prob wont hurt but isn't good
grand kernel
tjmax is 95c for ryzen cpus, 100c for intel cpus
hotspot max is 110c for both nvidia and radeon
you can run those temps constant for years and be fine
tranquil pebble
99c was fine for Netburst CPUs in my experience lol
grand kernel
it's been there or around there for a long time
light egret
well that's good to know. I'm still gonna freak if it hits above 80
my highest for both have been like 77 lol
tranquil pebble
I never got my Threadripper to above about 75c even under full load
grand kernel
just buy an intel chip 🙂
grand kernel
my 13700k hits 102c in under 1 second at stock
tranquil pebble
just buy an intel chip 🙂
i prefer my pc to not be on fire
light egret
I prefer not to have a furnace heater in the dead of summer thank you
tranquil pebble
amd master race but only with cpu
nah APU too. Their iGPUs are top notch
grand kernel
with a contact frame, arctic mx-6, lian li galahad 360 at maximum pump speed, open case
400+ watts at stock weeeee
light egret
I think your cpu is broken
opaque sedge
?
grand kernel
clearly intel cpus are better, those amd cpus just aren't working hard enough
grand kernel
why settle for a CPU that's only willing to expend 60 watts for you when you could have one that's willing to expend 600 watts for you?
ryzen cpus are lazy
tranquil pebble
clearly intel cpus are better, those amd cpus just aren't working hard enough
lol you should see the efficiency of the Ryzen Z1 Extreme... its absurd
grand kernel
I think your cpu is broken
nah it's normal
light egret
Its amd privacy view
I don't think thats neccesary?
grand kernel
intel been overclocking chips from the factory and letting mobo partners set insane limits by default
grand kernel
I mean have you seen the news about 14900K crashing in games and degrading within months at stock?
lol
opaque sedge
This is for the cpu right?
light egret
yeah
grand kernel
still, I had to buy intel this time around
opaque sedge
So no need to install cpu drivers after?
tranquil pebble
intel been overclocking chips from the factory and letting mobo partners set ins...
if I ever get an Intel again I'll definitely be checking those limits and possibly setting some myself
grand kernel
got burned too hard by amd last time, wanted to jump ship for a while and let them prove themselves again
tranquil pebble
I do not need a CPU doing an afterburner to death
light egret
So no need to install cpu drivers after?
yeah you should be fine. Just need gpu drivers.
then restart your pc
tranquil pebble
I've been on Zen 2 for years now
grand kernel
ryzen 7 5800x to i3-12100 is still the largest cpu upgrade I've ever done
tranquil pebble
I also have a Zen 4 in handheld form
light egret
I'm still rockin a 2600
grand kernel
I had one of the rare sub 1% ryzen 5000 cpus that still had USB dropout issues on agesa 1.2.0.7+
mighty hazel
ryzen 7 5800x to i3-12100 is still the largest cpu upgrade I've ever done
Isn’t that a downgrade 💀
grand kernel
even with everything at stock
grand kernel
Isn’t that a downgrade 💀
no
doesn't matter how many frames you're getting if you lose a game cause your mouse and keyboard decide to stop responding in the middle of a fight
mighty hazel
Well it’s newer but slower clocks
tranquil pebble
I had one of the rare sub 1% ryzen 5000 cpus that still had USB dropout issues o...
my Zen 2 Threadripper Pro never had that issue
mighty hazel
More ipc that’s the word
grand kernel
even if the i3-12100 was getting 10 fps it would be an upgrade
mighty hazel
Amdip is real?
grand kernel
usb dropout is not something I can live with
tranquil pebble
tbf both sides have issues
tranquil pebble
usb dropout is not something I can live with
very fair
opaque sedge
Whats task host window?
grand kernel
even when I was just studying listening to music, my USB dac would randomly cut out until I unplugged and replugged
grand kernel
Probably just a defective board
negative
do you have any idea how much hardware I had available at my disposal to test
💀
mighty hazel
Ye I would’ve rma’d both board and cpu at that point 💀
tranquil pebble
yeeted and deleted
light egret
Whats task host window?
should prob be safe to click shut down anyways
tranquil pebble
parts warehouse
light egret
Looks like the orange mushroom is giving us all a free pc
all praise the orange mushroom
grand kernel
it was just a known issue with ryzen 5000
agesa updates fixed most of them but some systems still had issues
tranquil pebble
I'm glad I never bought a 5000 series then
opaque sedge
Ok so just restarted and adrenalin isn’t opening again
light egret
are those boxes empty or do they have their hardware?
grand kernel
it didn't stop me from recommending ryzen 5000 chips to others but I wasn't super excited to grab another ryzen chip again after that personal experience
empty, used them in client builds
grand kernel
I made a lot of money during the early days of the pandemic
demand for pcs was through the roof
🙂
grand kernel
made 40k that year from the ol 10 hour/week side hustle
light egret
studying for a+ made me realize how woahfully inadequate I am at everything else
grand kernel
pretty big money as a student
opaque sedge
made 40k that year from the ol 10 hour/week side hustle
Jesus
grand kernel
lmao I remember seeing another local builder in my area advertising his a+ certification but the pcs on his listing looked like kraken attacks
cables everywhere
light egret
problem is that gpus were like minimum of 2k during pandemic tho and other hardware was also inflated.
opaque sedge
Did you work for someone else or did you like setup an online posting?
grand kernel
a+ certification didn't make him a good builder
my own posting
I wouldn't have made that much from it if I was working for someone else
opaque sedge
my own posting
Damn do those cost anything?
light egret
microcenter was the only place that still sold at msrp was microcenter and the line wrapped around the building and on shipment days they were wiped at like 10am
grand kernel
yeah I paid a bit for local advertising
pliant berry
no certification is going to fix cable management practices
grand kernel
was like $1/day to be seen by 6000 local people in my target demographic a week
not bad
light egret
lol I try to do a damn good job at cable management on others peoples machines but its a spaghetti mess behind my right panel
grand kernel
ngl I didn't bother making the back look nice
I'm only getting paid to make the front look nice lol
light egret
I did good cable management when I first got this case, then 2 days later I realized I messed something up and ripped it all apart and was like ehhhh it will be fine and just pushed the panel on it
it's glass and it bulges a little 
grand kernel
making the back look nice is an extra hour of work that they might see covered in dust after 3 years if ever
light egret
mine is tinted glass so you can see it if you shine a light on it lol
grand kernel
all solid powdered/painted steel panels for me
light egret
I actually want that now.
grand kernel
doesn't make sense to spend that extra time on something to never be seen when I'm cranking out builds in 20 mins
grand kernel
people aren't buying prebuilts to work on them
they plug it in, look at the shiny parts in the front, and load up cod lol
light egret
I think anyone who uses a desktop regularly should build their own so they know how it works lol
cause you should be able to maintain it
if you're spending over 1k on it
pliant berry
some people just don't really have the time but I agree
grand kernel
meh it's good to know how to do basic maintenance but building your own is a time investment
if you know what you're doing it's fast
pliant berry
ahh just reminded me i have a pc to pickup
grand kernel
but if you gotta put in research it takes time
light egret
crap I stopped paying attention and now Idk what im looking at
grand kernel
and if you don't put in research you might just end up building something worse than you would get paying the same money for a prebuilt
I've seen some really bad builds over the years...
pliant berry
checkin out wireshark?
light egret
im following coursera for google IT cert and also doing comptia lessons for a+
grand kernel
people spending 3k on a PC with a maxed out i9-K, more ram and storage than they'll ever need, and an rtx 3050
💀
at that point you'd do way better buying a prebuilt
spend less time too
light egret
no such thing as to much ram and especially no such thing as to much storage 
grand kernel
I saw someone post a "$1k budget build" where they wanted corsair fans so bad they skipped having a GPU to be able to afford the fans
using the igpu of a i5-9600k
light egret
ok thats bad
grand kernel
just so they could fit $250 of rgb fans into their "$1k budget build"
tranquil pebble
bad? no that's HORRIBLE
grand kernel
even a 1k prebuilt from dell would beat that so many times over lol
sinful blade
people spending 3k on a PC with a maxed out i9-K, more ram and storage than they...
I didn’t know him at the time, only recently met him but a friend of mine built a pc about 2 years ago
Spent 4k
1080ti and a ryzen 5 4500
light egret
🤢
grand kernel
could do the absolute bare minimum effort of going to bestbuy.com and clicking buy on the first desktop you see
tranquil pebble
what? how 4k for that?!
sinful blade
Can you guess how I make fun of him
grand kernel
and still come out on top
grand kernel
I didn’t know him at the time, only recently met him but a friend of mine built ...
2 years ago I did a 5600+3070 build for $600 lol
sinful blade
Corsair everywhere
light egret
who buys a brand new 1080ti in 2022
tranquil pebble
He bought “brand new”
bruh
light egret
how much was that 1080ti
sinful blade
He has a liquid cooling system for his cpu
And he installed cooling for his ram
tranquil pebble
so he bought scalper prices
grand kernel
my current 13700k+4080 build is what 1.3k?
sinful blade
how much was that 1080ti
He will not tell me to this day
He refuses to elaborate how much he spent
On each part
grand kernel
lmao
tranquil pebble
He has a liquid cooling system for his cpu
And he installed cooling for his ram
I put a copper heatsink on lpddr ram before
said heatsink was cheap though
grand kernel
my friend asked me for laptop recommendations
light egret
I usually only buy parts that are on sale lmao
sinful blade
But have you put any cooling on DDR3 ram
grand kernel
I sent them links to a few different 4060 laptops around the 800-900 range
sinful blade
I usually only buy parts that are on sale lmao
I buy used
Ain’t nothin wrong with it
grand kernel
they said they didn't like any of those laptops
and then paid 2k for an asus laptop with... a 4060
and to top it off
tranquil pebble
But have you put any cooling on DDR3 ram
I should put cooling on a microcontroller
grand kernel
asus gave them single channel ddr4 in that $2k laptop
light egret
heck my first few upgrades to my first pc I only got cause a friend gave em to me for free. I was trying to game on a 2007 HP pc my parents got for like 200 bucks
sinful blade
My first “pc” was an old dell home computer
grand kernel
I asked them how much they spent on it they said "I don't want to say cause I don't want to know if it was a bad deal or not" LOL
tranquil pebble
I should put cooling on a microcontroller
I have one that is overclockable
sinful blade
on 3 frames with lowest graphics
tranquil pebble
a sus deal
grand kernel
paying $2000 to get lower performance than an $800 laptop
truly in search of incredible
grand kernel
idk what's with asus' obsession with single channel
light egret
ey I found my first pc I think https://www.newegg.com/hp-pavilion-a6235x-student-home-office/p/N82E16883107723
tranquil pebble
This was a better deal than asus
light egret
this is what my current pc started as lmao
sinful blade
idk what's with asus' obsession with single channel
ViprTech has the same obsession
grand kernel
I had an asus laptop back in 2015 that came with 16gb single channel ram
sinful blade
All of their PCs are single channel 8gb, 16gb, 32gb, or 64gb
grand kernel
and I also worked on a friend's laptop recently that also had 16gb single channel ram
sinful blade
Not a single dual
grand kernel
single channel 64gb?
sinful blade
Check their site
grand kernel
are they intentionally putting 2x32 in the wrong slots?
tranquil pebble
Not a single dual
rog ally is proper dual channel afaik
grand kernel
I'm pretty sure we don't have 64gb consumer dimms yet
sinful blade
are they intentionally putting 2x32 in the wrong slots?
I have no idea
I’ve emailed their support
I may be misremembering, but they have no dual channel ram prebuilts
grand kernel
64gb single channel is only possible if you're intentionally putting 2x32 in the wrong slots no?
sinful blade
grand kernel
at least on mainstream platforms
tranquil pebble
yeah guess not
grand kernel
wow the first PC on their site made me feel physically ill
apparently this is the PC they're the most proud of
sinful blade
@grand kernel the email I got from them asking some questions
grand kernel
i5-2400 + gtx 660 + 8gb ddr3 + no SSD is enthusiast???
mighty hazel
apparently this is the PC they're the most proud of
Holy shi my first pc that’s from like 2015 had better specs and cost the same back then 💀
grand kernel
wow people were upset about 8gb macbook pro
wait until they see the viprtech pro
🔥
mighty hazel
Yeah mine was similar to this
sinful blade
That absolutely BANGER 8GB DDR3 ram
grand kernel
this thing is worth like $50 lol
sinful blade
HOOOWEEE
mighty hazel
Was around 450 or 500 in 2014 or 2015 
I see tons of these on eBay and other places
“I5 and GeForce gpu. Good for fortnite, valorant”
pliant berry
This was a better deal than asus
now have it peek through the curtains at the neighbors
sinful blade
mighty hazel
I5 1st gen and GeForce gt210 💀
grand kernel
honestly
mighty hazel
What’s their highest end pc
sinful blade
That
grand kernel
that's not nearly as bad as the garbage they're posting on the low end
it's still not a good deal but like
sinful blade
that's not nearly as bad as the garbage they're posting on the low end
Most people buy low end
grand kernel
it doesn't make me feel physically ill
sinful blade
Cheapest gonna work somehow
sinful blade
https://viprtech.com/product/desktops/prebuilt/rebel-amd-3060/
I thought about this one a few months ago
And then I learned more about pc
mighty hazel
I went into an electronics store a few months ago, they had a rx460 or 560 and ryzen 2600 for like 600 💀
sinful blade
And now I am no longer dumb
mighty hazel
Prebuilt
grand kernel
they got entry level PCs listed under "high end" and e-waste listed under "entry level"
mighty hazel
I went into an electronics store a few months ago, they had a rx460 or 560 and r...
The highest end pc was a 3070+ 10400f and 32gb ram for like 2k
grand kernel
also some of their "entry-level" PCs are higher end than some of their "mid-range" PCs and some of their "mid-range" PCs are higher end than some of their "high end" PCs
what is going on
why do they think a 2600 + 1660S is entry level but a 2600 + 2060 is high end?
2600 + 1660S: entry level
1600 + rx 570: midrange
2600 + 3060: midrange
2600 + 2060: high end
make it make sense
lol they're even using gray market windows keys
opaque sedge
Should I download this?
sinful blade
why do they think a 2600 + 1660S is entry level but a 2600 + 2060 is high end?
I got a 1660 super in a $400 pc for my fiancé rn
grand kernel
no don't download ryzen master
sinful blade
It’s basically bloatware
mighty hazel
I’ve seen people get insane deals like 500 bucks for a pc with a 3080, how does this work, is it like Facebook market place listings
sinful blade
I’ve seen people get insane deals like 500 bucks for a pc with a 3080, how does ...
Yeah
mighty hazel
Or 100 dollar 2080 ti was broken. Turns out needed a new fan
grand kernel
I got a 1660 super in a $400 pc for my fiancé rn
I built a 4790k+1070 pc for $150 last year lol "high end" I guess
mighty hazel
Or 100 dollar 2080 ti was broken. Turns out needed a new fan <:kekw:741678350791...
Like the 100$ 2080 tis I see have cracked pcb’s 💀💀
opaque sedge
Or 100 dollar 2080 ti was broken. Turns out needed a new fan <:kekw:741678350791...
How hard is fan replacement?
grand kernel
very easy
sinful blade
Dude I talked to at subway a few days ago bought his pc for $100 on FB marketplace
3090+7700x+4 tb of storage
mighty hazel
How hard is fan replacement?
Pretty easy I’d say
grand kernel
Dude I talked to at subway a few days ago bought his pc for $100 on FB marketpla...
sounds stolen
opaque sedge
Also is it possible to check my gpu health?
opaque sedge
what is gpu health
Like is everything functioning properly
grand kernel
yeah there's a gpu health indicator it's called artifacting
mighty hazel
Dude I talked to at subway a few days ago bought his pc for $100 on FB marketpla...
Me if a spider got into my pc
opaque sedge
The earlier experience has me worried
opaque sedge
benchmark it
Which software?
grand kernel
gpus either work or they don't lol it's not like ssds where there's a health%
time spy demo is nice
mighty hazel
Also is it possible to check my gpu health?
Does it turn on and work yes: it works
That’s about it
grand kernel
I bought a 2070 super for $40 that was "shutting down under load"
fixed it with $0.10 of thermal paste and $0.10 of alcohol wipes
mighty hazel
I mean I’ve heard of people reflowing cards for “better performance” or something but that’s a whole diff rabbit hole
grand kernel
all it needed was a repaste
I was able to test it before buying so I already knew what the issue was without putting any money down lol
opaque sedge
time spy demo is nice
Where do i download it from?
grand kernel
I started up OCCT3D on it and it was running 66c core 105c hotspot
I put the case panel back on and watched hotspot climb to 110c and eventually shut down
worthy meteor
Can grab timespy demo from steam
grand kernel
after repasting it dropped to like 57c core 67c hotspot and never crashed
opaque sedge
Oh right is there a way to not make steam auto start whenever turning on your pc?
sinful blade
Me if a spider got into my pc <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Spider came into my shower last night
mighty hazel
😭
sinful blade
I’ve never sounded more like a little girl
mighty hazel
opaque sedge
Tried downloading the time spy demo but says no licenses
pliant berry
there is a demo and full game
also make sure you are downloading 3dmark and not just the time spy dlc
opaque sedge
also make sure you are downloading 3dmark and not just the time spy dlc
Got it
Anyone know how this is game is?
pliant berry
never played it but I hear it come up a lot
rancid juniper
hmm below average
opaque sedge
hmm below average
Is something wrong with my hardware?
rancid juniper
no
opaque sedge
My graphics settings are at default
light egret
your pc is fine
tranquil pebble
I bought some ghost pepper potato chips
light egret
that sounds awful
opaque sedge
I think i need to reinstall cpu drivers
Tried looking for them in files couldn’t find any other than Adrenalin
fair onyx
My mom freaked out when she saw NVIDIA stock was down 90% lmao
opaque sedge
download HWiNFO
Local us right?
light egret
huh?
opaque sedge
light egret
oh you can use any source. I think I used source forge
safe cape
I think i need to reinstall cpu drivers
Do you want to oc your CPU ?
safe cape
Yeah
opaque sedge
see if it says the same thing about your cpu
Nope 45C
opaque sedge
What software do i use for the temp and fps window?
And what’s the reason ddr5 memory shows up as 3000mhz?
safe cape
What software do i use for the temp and fps window?
Download MSI afterburner
And watch a tutoriel for it
obsidian berry
light egret
And what’s the reason ddr5 memory shows up as 3000mhz?
what is it supposed to be
light egret
what is pro tools application
pliant berry
audio software
pliant berry
lol
light egret
have you tried being deaf. It's peaceful sometimes
pliant berry
I couldn't do it
light egret
me either
pliant berry
I spend too much time listening to music 
light egret
lol I got music playing rn while going through coursera videos
I would've quite long ago without the music
pliant berry
hmm you seem distracted
light egret
wdym
pliant berry
listening to music and on discord while going through a course?
light egret
lmao
im on here during my class time too
i can multitask
everyone else is finishing course 2 and im on final course 5 😩
so close to done
pliant berry
light egret
I'm not working atm so I spend all of my free time doing this lol
been doing it for 7 hours so far today.
I still got like all of the comptia course though. I've only done 3 out of 20 lessons on that.
comptia is way harder
opaque sedge
what is it supposed to be
According to foxie its supposed to be 3000mhz times two which is 6000 and the 3000 is the correct value to be showing up
light egret
uhh. does it say 3000 on the side of the ramstick or the box it came in
where do you get times 2 from
pliant berry
prob talking about mhz vs mts
light egret
that's what I was wondering lol but idk much about mts
dusk knot
mortal grail
dusk knot
the 4th one is a nope
tranquil pebble
I ate a bag of ghost pepper potato chips and my stomach isn't terribly happy with me rn, but it was worth it
one of these days I'm going to munch on an actual ghost pepper
light egret
You will be missed.
storm narwhal
Bros about to disappear
storm narwhal
opaque sedge
Are there any pc cases with built in speakers?
mortal grail
Tons have beepers
For boot code
Though speaker itself, probably really old ones
That's a lot of vibrations into a pc tho, probably wouldn't do that these days unless they were like small 7w speakers
mighty hazel
Are there any pc cases with built in speakers?
Nah usually it’s the monitors that have speakers built in
tranquil pebble
Bros about to disappear
nah I eat spicy stuff quite often
mighty hazel
Nah usually it’s the monitors that have speakers built in
Well old monitors
tranquil pebble
Nah usually it’s the monitors that have speakers built in
I have a 240 Hz monitor with speakers built in
not an old monitor by a long shot
mortal grail
My 4k 144 monitor has them, but it is in fact a tv
mighty hazel
I have a 240 Hz monitor with speakers built in
Oh. I guess newer ones have it too. I only remember having an old one that was from like 2009 that had speakers, my newer ones didn’t 💀
tranquil pebble
Oh. I guess newer ones have it too. I only remember having an old one that was f...
yeah thats still a feature monitors sometimes have
sour falcon
YIPPIEEEE
fresh nova
wise wigeon
Okay guys my brother is close to a microcenter
I’m building a pc for my other brother
The 5800x3d bundle is nuts
light egret
My wife told her mom that shes pregnant.
Her mom: Oh no!
Her sister in the background: She means congratulations!
mighty hazel
Do they have 7600x bundle
mighty hazel
Worth
wise wigeon
And more ram
wise wigeon
But like my brother is a stingy lil mfer
mighty hazel
You get an upgrade path
mighty hazel
You get an upgrade path
For like 5 more years of upgrades with 7700x
You won’t remember that 50 bucks
wise wigeon
Mfer ain’t upgrading for another 5+ years at least
wise wigeon
My brother is a stingy lil bugger
mighty hazel
It’s 50 bucks 💀
wise wigeon
And he wants it to be under 800
mighty hazel
It’s 50 bucks 💀
Faster cpu and ram
mighty hazel
Do they have cheap gpus at least
wise wigeon
Oh wow it’s been a while since I’ve been here
mighty hazel
Wait there’s a better deal
wise wigeon
I still have 2070super in my name
mighty hazel
I mean there’s more upgrades on 12600k platform
wise wigeon
Basically the bundles eliminate the cost of the ram and mobo
mighty hazel
I mean there’s more upgrades on 12600k platform
Can go up to 14900K
sweet phoenix
mighty hazel
It’s a total setup
wise wigeon
They do also have a power spec (microcenter’s) prebuilt for 700
Which is a 5800x3d with a 7600
But looks like they just used their spare wraith coolers on it
Anyway
mighty hazel
So no 12900k?
wise wigeon
Like for the same price give or take $50 I could configure a 5600 6800 build or a 5800x3d 7600 build
I think 6800 is more balanced
But dude is not a fidelity person
mighty hazel
6800 is better ye
wise wigeon
Like I feel the difference between 6800 ve 7600 level out the difference between the 5600 and 5800x3d if the game even moderately uses the gpu well
tranquil pebble
I virtualized MS-DOS on my Threadripper system
wise wigeon
But like idk
I think am4 is mostly dead since am5 and ddr5 prices are decreasing
But with him being so stingy and it being at max $800
Am4 is still viable especially with the C-3PO bundle
X3d
iOS autocorrecting to Star Wars references yuck
wise wigeon
So no 12900k?
399
mortal grail
Vs $330 5800x3d
5800X3D = more or less 7600/X
wise wigeon
Ram is gskill 600 32 gb
Yeah it’s just the bundle is so nuts it edges it out
It’s the mobo prices
Ram is not that crazy
wise wigeon
The whole bundle is $330 for x3d
So basically just the price of the x3d alone
7600 x and non x are roughly $13 apart
mortal grail
non-x is better imo
wise wigeon
But roughly 180-200
mortal grail
I'm pretty sure, I can price out a $390 7600 combo
MC will have something close to that
wise wigeon
Microcenter has a 7700x 380 bundle
mortal grail
MC also doesn't ship bad ram atm
So it'll be even faster
It's 6000 CL32 spec, Hynix M kits, which are known to be quite fast on AM5
wise wigeon
The difference in gaming between like 5200 and 600 doesn’t seem that big
mortal grail
Not MHz, die spec
wise wigeon
From the bench’s ove seen
mortal grail
Hynix M trains very tight
Motherboards run it very well, much better than micron or samsung
Like the fabled "B die" of DDR4
IMO, absolutely worth the $50
That's $50 he won't need to spend later
wise wigeon
7700x bundle is 6000 cl32 from gskill
mortal grail
Ye
It's H16M
I've seen multiple people buy it
H16M is the ram chips it uses, very fast DDR5
Much faster than normal
wise wigeon
Again I would but I don’t want I’m to skimp on a GPU because he now thinks it’s too expensive
icy ore
mortal grail
I wouldn't do a 5800X3D rn if it's not already going into an existing motherboard
wise wigeon
Dude would swap to a new phone he already owns until his own broke beyond repair
chrome mirage
The teachers at this school still don't know that I clean their classrooms. They keep leaving notes for my coworker that cleans the other side of the school.
wise wigeon
Wouldn’t
mortal grail
5600/5500 are about all we recommend if at all for AM4 anymore
mortal grail
Like it makes sense right? He can use the board and ram when he upgrades in a few years
wise wigeon
Which is 360 rn for xfx model