The server is PACKED LOL
#general-chat
rancid juniper
Everyone wants to play in eu server
yo thats cool
maybe i should go into EU server too because US server has NO ONE
elfin mural
oh nooo
i got a player to race with
nvm
connection lost before that
wtf is with this game
rancid juniper
bruh
elfin mural
im so unlucky
remote geode
so uhhh
i just got a 1tb hdd
basically i'm still using my sata hdd as my boot drive
i wonder if it would be wise to move my OS from the C: drive to the D drive
opaque sedge
Are asus tuf boards bad?
elfin mural
nah
remote geode
my experience with a tuf b350 board was great
opaque sedge
Wbt reference gpus for the 7900xt?
elfin mural
they're ok
remote geode
it let me overclock my a8-9600 to like
elfin mural
good enough
opaque sedge
Cuz I checked prices and I can get a 7800x3d bundle with a gigabyte mobo and a sapphire 7900xt for about the same as the reference model gpu bundle
With price matching ofc
Lemme get the links real quick
elfin mural
Sapphire is much better tho
opaque sedge
Lemme get the links real quick
https://www.microcenter.com/product/662386/sapphire-technology-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-pulse-overclocked-triple-fan-20gb-gddr6-pcie-40-graphics-card this alongside this bundle
opaque sedge
https://www.microcenter.com/product/662386/sapphire-technology-amd-radeon-rx-790...
Or just this bundle by itself
There’s also this one with the same asus board
opaque sedge
Sapphire is much better tho
Is it cuz of cooling stuff? Apparently its overclocked as well
elfin mural
Yes it's because it has better cooling
opaque sedge
How does the gigabyte board compare to the tuf?
remote geode
trusting file explorer to move my whole hard drive was stupid
opaque sedge
Yes it's because it has better cooling
Is the overclocking relevant?
opaque sedge
But fan noise and temps matter
Hmm my case only has three fans, no aio, would it make sense to get the sapphire then?
elfin mural
Ya
unreal trail
💀
velvet summit
opaque sedge
I'm joking, idk what y'all are talking about
Just discussing if I should stick with this bundle or get a gigabyte mobo one but with a sapphire gpu https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006711/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d,-asus-b650-e-tuf-gaming,-gskill-flare-x5-series-32gb-ddr5-6000-kit,-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt,-computer-build-bundle
mental yoke
Just discussing if I should stick with this bundle or get a gigabyte mobo one bu...
Ah I see, I wish I could help but I'm not very tech savvy, deepest apologies.
opaque sedge
Ah I see, I wish I could help but I'm not very tech savvy, deepest apologies.
Its cool
elfin mural
I'd get the gigabyte combo
opaque sedge
I'd get the gigabyte combo
Any particular standouts? Or just for convenience?
elfin mural
Nothing really
The gpu is plain better
That's basically the answer
AM5 boards are all overbuilt
At least $120+ class
mighty hazel
b650e is better than b650 tbf
u can just get the one without the gpu and get it seperate
mental yoke
xbox showcase on
opaque sedge
u can just get the one without the gpu and get it seperate
Yh i feel like I got tricked with the gpu ngl cuz its about the same price bundled or not
elfin mural
b650e is better than b650 tbf
better but not needed
rancid juniper
mighty hazel
better but not needed
It’s cheaper so why not
mental yoke
i hope i don’t sound like a pick me but if anyone can help me in #gaming i’d appreciate it
vrchat buggin
velvet summit
mortal grail
Yh i feel like I got tricked with the gpu ngl cuz its about the same price bundl...
Mate we did the math and the total value of that mc bundle with the gpu was ridiculous
mortal grail
With price matching ofc
If you price matched to newegg you'd pay $10 for the sapphire cooler instead
Like ok that's a better cooler but you lose both the b650e chipset and the usb advantages of the tuf
You're not really losing you're just trading connectivity for a mostly identical card
The advantage you gain is a quieter sapphire with a slightly higher vbios
Actually no
They have the same vbios
The performance will be the same
It's only quieter
Yeah it's only a noise difference
37dba vs 29dba
Your keyboard will be louder than your gpu
grand kernel
mortal grail
I mean if they want to spend the travel to swap again that's up to them
Imo unless you plan to oc it's not that bad
Even the louder merc cards are very usable on Navi 31
fair onyx
XTU worked fine for me for years, and is way faster and easier to use. Just wondering why voltage control seems to be entirely disabled
I am trying to undervolt my CPU, but it keeps throwing errors of "Under voltage protection"
oh well, I guess its fine for now
mortal grail
Anybody know why my 12600k isn't letting me adjust its voltage at all?
What motherboard
elfin mural
In XTU, 12th gen voltage adjustment was disabled
fair onyx
I am just trying to make my whole PC more efficient
elfin mural
But it also depends on da board
fair onyx
GIGABYTE B760 AORUS Elite AX
fair onyx
Since when did that BS start?
fair onyx
So what, now certain motherboards just don't let you use the K you paid for?@elfin mural
If so, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard
elfin mural
It's a B board
Not a Z
Intel always locks voltages on B boards
All you can do is mess with PL
fair onyx
Bruh, since when does B not let you control voltage at all? So now you have to spend money on the CPU for the K AND over $100+ on a scammy mobo?
elfin mural
It's Intel
fair onyx
Wow, what trash
elfin mural
If it's not high end chipset
fair onyx
IDK who TF thought that was ok. Thats BS full stop
elfin mural
Intel won't let you have freedom
fair onyx
Yeah, just trying to line their pockets more, I got you
Thats actually so dumb I don't even know what to say
elfin mural
Intel™
mortal grail
GIGABYTE B760 AORUS Elite AX
That's why
fair onyx
I can put a 13900ks in this mobo and have it draw over 300 watts, but I can't limit the voltage to my 12600k. Dope
mortal grail
Locked chipset
fair onyx
That is so god damn stupid
mortal grail
That is so god damn stupid
Why do you think I like amd's a620 boards lol
elfin mural
Perhaps buy a used Z board
mortal grail
Their base level boards support almost full OC
Most of them suck at it but some are fantastic value
fair onyx
Perhaps buy a used Z board
No, I am not spending more money to have something that should come bog standard. Intel can go suck a fat one for all I care, thats stupid as hell
I actually liked this setup before you mentioned that, now I'm just mad lmao
elfin mural
It is truly stupid
mortal grail
They've done that since as long as I can remember
elfin mural
^
mortal grail
Z170?
fair onyx
Actually at a loss of words
mortal grail
OH MY GODDDDDDD
IKR I'M SO HYPED RN AND WE KNOW IT'LL BE GOOD COS OF ETERNAL
fair onyx
I love buying a K series CPU and then being fleeced into having to pay like $100 more for a mobo to actually use it
mortal grail
GOMME DOOOMMMMM
young matrix
IKR I'M SO HYPED RN AND WE KNOW IT'LL BE GOOD COS OF ETERNAL
WE STAY WINNING
mortal grail
I love buying a K series CPU and then being fleeced into having to pay like $100...
Ikr
elfin mural
Consider AM5 next time 
fair onyx
So I can't undervolt my CPU at all. Thats just great, I love wasting like 10%+ energy for no reason
elfin mural
Guaranteed support up into 2027
fair onyx
Consider AM5 next time <:brrrr:1115231149782999101>
AMD was disgustingly expensive and didn't have good options for what I wanted for what I could afford
mortal grail
So I can't undervolt my CPU at all. Thats just great, I love wasting like 10%+ e...
They added this same lockout to their laptops later as well (But there's a workaround thankfully)
fair onyx
They added this same lockout to their laptops later as well (But there's a worka...
Yeah, my 1360p has no voltage control either, so I can't make it efficient
elfin mural
Or it did, but mobos were piss expensive
mortal grail
You can add a power plan processor cap in control panel and it's like pseudo undervolting
fair onyx
AM5 didn't even exist that time
It did, i bought this system like 8 months ago
mortal grail
You can add a power plan processor cap in control panel and it's like pseudo und...
But that's all you can do with locked
fair onyx
You can add a power plan processor cap in control panel and it's like pseudo und...
Yeah, that wouldn't help me at all unfortunately
mortal grail
Me and pato tested it years ago now, worked excellently
It's actually very effective
elfin mural
Idk if I wanna mess with CO on my 7735HS
There's a program that lets me control that
Universal control whatever
fair onyx
Imagine being such a POS company that you lock consumers out of making your products less bad lmao
elfin mural
Sounds like Nvidia
mortal grail
Real
fair onyx
Yeah, I am so over NVIDIA
Wish there were other options. Its evil as hell. NVIDIA gets to sit on their throne all fat and evil because of other companies incompetence. If there were other options, I would just yesterday
mortal grail
Support zluda and there would be
elfin mural
I wouldn't be surprised if 5090 is stuck at 24gb
fair onyx
Unfortunately having companies that aren't on competing level doesn't constitute as a monopoly
elfin mural
They're body deep into AI craze
Not knee deep
Body deep
Skinny dipping that AI water
fair onyx
Zluda is the future
ZLUDA sucks. I have a friend who does support for it. Its not gonna go anywhere. its a horrible buggy mess that causes more problems than it solves. Time would be much better spent making things intended to run on AMD hardware that retrofitting unoptimized processing onto under supported hardware
elfin mural
Next gen past 50 series is apparently dubbed Rubin
opaque sedge
opaque sedge
https://a.co/d/ayqQADu
Is this any good?
fair onyx
I wouldn't be surprised if 5090 is stuck at 24gb
Yeah, gonna be even more useless than the 4090 for actual work
young matrix
Is this any good?
eh
fair onyx
24GB VRAM isn't even a lot anymore, like
elfin mural
50 series laptop gpus are poised to come in 2025
8-16GB
8 being absolute base
aka 5050
mortal grail
ZLUDA sucks. I have a friend who does support for it. Its not gonna go anywhere....
It needs more support, nvidia has actively taken steps to block it, if they crack it, zluda basically puts tensor on amd
fair onyx
the 5090 will almost for sure run into severe VRAM limits even in just gaming
elfin mural
...About time they do it, honestly
4K VR
Yeah
The vram will be a problem
With how powerful it might be
24GB is an insult to its prowess
32+ would be obligatory
fair onyx
It needs more support, nvidia has actively taken steps to block it, if they crac...
Yeah, no, thats way too rose tinted for how it actually is man. In reality, its using 100 watts to do 5 watts worth of work on maybe 0.2% of the CUDA lib, with horrible errors, and constant hardware inconsistencies. ZLUDA made for a 7900XTX can't run on any other GPU. Its a mess, and it just further fragments work in trying to level the playing field
mortal grail
Yeah, no, thats way too rose tinted for how it actually is man. In reality, its ...
It's the best chance we have at breaking the cuda iron grip tho
Like name a different alternative that could
opaque sedge
mortal grail
It just doesn't exist
fair onyx
My job is in the AI scene, I have partners that work on ZLUDA and other ROCm adjacent tools to make their AMD cards work. Its a bandaid on a bleeding wound, and time is much better spent elsewhere
opaque sedge
Is this good?
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-v1-qmk-via-custom-mech...
79 rn
fair onyx
Like name a different alternative that could
ROCm is already competitive with CUDA in professional industries
mortal grail
Nvidia actively has threatened companies to not support 3rd party translation layers
mortal grail
ROCm is already competitive with CUDA in professional industries
It's still not anywhere near comparable
fair onyx
if ROCm had better support, like the devs from ZLUDA, it would be much better
elfin mural
I blame nvidia for this
mortal grail
Not even close
fair onyx
It's still not anywhere near comparable
ZLUDA doesn't even run right now, so I mean
Name a single project that can run ZLUDA
mortal grail
Name a single project that can run ZLUDA
Blender
fair onyx
You can't, none of them do
elfin mural
But Nvidia's threat is a risk they don't wanna deal with
mortal grail
You can quite literally go and talk to people using it in the amd discord daily
fair onyx
Blender
Yeah, ok, blender ZLUDA, 49% lower performance per watt than just using HIP. sounds great. Oh, also it can't compute shadow catchers, or recursive transmission rays
fair onyx
You can quite literally go and talk to people using it in the amd discord daily
I don't need to, I know people who actively make Zluda 
ROCm is better in every way for things that are supported
mortal grail
💀 you can quite literally say that about anything with a processor
fair onyx
instead of a trashy translation layer that can be broken with a single line change, why not make something more efficient than CUDA? Boom, ROCm
mortal grail
See again, I still don't see why you're being so defensive tho, I thought you were upset at nvidia lol
fair onyx
My friend has a 7900XTX running his own ROCCm kernals, and it wipes the floor with ZLUDA, and nears a 4090 in AI inference
mortal grail
That's fantastic to know
fair onyx
See again, I still don't see why you're being so defensive tho, I thought you we...
I am! So why would we wanna build a trashy layer that literally works off of NVIDIA and relies on it directly?
no CUDA, no ZLUDA
mortal grail
I am! So why would we wanna build a trashy layer that literally works off of NVI...
mindshare
Most people don't realise that rocm can be so capable
I myself use neither and only need opencl
So it's like 
You want to crack the case on a 3 trillion $ monopoly you need to attack where it counts
fair onyx
Yeah, so how about instead of dumping dev time into a flawed party trick like ZLUDA, we take those talented devs chasing a fever dream and have them contribute to ROCm?
mortal grail
A.I is just one facet
How about they make rocm work for other apps? Not just ai?
I would enjoy seeing it actually make a difference that beats nvidia in things like maya or blender
fair onyx
ROCm already has AMD's cards as higher performance per watt by a lot. Its only limitation is not enough people contribute to it. Anything you can run on ZLLUDA will run faster, better, and more reliable on ROCm
mortal grail
Then idk why people went crazy over it
elfin mural
I feel rocm needs to support blender to hurt nvidia
mortal grail
Seemed to prove itself quite capable when it leaked
fair onyx
I would enjoy seeing it actually make a difference that beats nvidia in things l...
I would too, but ZLUDA is slower than HIP, an AMD made render kernal
elfin mural
Many creators in this world use Nvidia
Because they don't have an option
Plus mindshare
mortal grail
ZLUDA made nvidia immediately threaten their partner software companies into denying the support
elfin mural
Nvidia has a strong hold in everything
mortal grail
Like within a damn week their terms of agreement changed
Ask me without as much industry depth what that makes me think I'm going to believe ZLUDA caused that
elfin mural
Imagine if rocm supported 3D rendering programs
fair onyx
ZLUDA made nvidia immediately threaten their partner software companies into den...
They aren't scared of ZLUDA, they know just liek I do that its a party trick thats never gonna catch on. They don't like companies blatantly stealing their info and building hacky corner cutting "translations" on top of it, cause when it breaks, people get mad at NVIDIA
elfin mural
That'd be one fairly frightening blow to Nvidia
I thought you hated nvidia
Now it sounds like you're being defensive
fair onyx
I do, I 100% do. I think they are a horrible company
but ZLUDA is just flat out bad. Its never gonna work
It will never work at scale
it 100% relies on CUDA to do all the hard work. Which means they will never have tricks on their own. CUDA will always be a better first party solution
mortal grail
They aren't scared of ZLUDA, they know just liek I do that its a party trick tha...
I'm really serious the backpedaling happened like a week after zluda leaked and rocm had been out for ages
I even had a huge rant in here about it
The timing is not a coincidence
Listen, A.I is not the be all end all here
elfin mural
It really is not a coincidence
mortal grail
I'm not going to deny the validity of rocm, but I refuse to acknowledge zluda was absolute trash either
fair onyx
*Sigh.*Alright, ZLUDA will save us all
Also, do remember, ZLUDA required ROCm to run, so yeah. Maybe get the first part working correctly before making a sloppy translation layer. One change to ROCm could take down all of ZLUDA
mortal grail
30% improvement in blender is significant when optix holds the game industry by the neck
fair onyx
Its not absolute trash, its promising at first glance, but it doesn't have legs to stand on
elfin mural
It's kinda like saying emulation is bad when all it does is translation
mortal grail
Its not absolute trash, its promising at first glance, but it doesn't have legs ...
And I'm happier to agree on those terms sure
But calling it a party trick or trash is just, no
I've never seen a reaction from nvidia like that, ever
Not ever again
If zluda is a one trick pony then so is optix
fair onyx
ROCm has more promise, a bigger game plan, and WAY faster development and adoption with actually worth while results, rather than ZLUDA, which is cool for a few things, but has literally no possibility of encompasing all of CUDA. All of that time wasted to ride off of the backs of a company you are trying to take down.
Congrats, all programs are still made for CUDA, and when a new version comes out and it takes you 6 months to get a single patch so a new tool works in your program you rely on for your livelihood, I am sure buying an NVIDIA GPU will look like such a bad idea
fair onyx
Get the whole *hype train
again man, ZLUDA has been around for years. Its been abandoned multiple times now, and AMD stopped funding it again. Its a pipe dream that would be great if it DID work, but it just literally can't
elfin mural
Why would nvidia backpedal if it wasn't because it threatened nvidia
mortal grail
We're going to go in circles about this all day at this rate
fair onyx
Why would nvidia backpedal if it wasn't because it threatened nvidia
This just in, companies don't like having their IP stolen/reverse engineered in any capcity. You think Disney won't sue a mom and pop store selling Disney merch? Its not gonna kill them, but its still what companies do
elfin mural
It being a translation layer, even if it breaks on non-cuda hardware
Is not related to nvidia in any way
People who are smart enough to do these things can tell the difference between different hardware vendors, I'm sure
fair onyx
@elfin muralYou have all of your stuff in a safe, and you need your fingerprint to get in. I just 'reverse engineered' your fingerprint, and now I can use your company's IP all I want :3
mortal grail
Again, that's pretty much the whole point
elfin mural
Then just let nvidia protect their rights
fair onyx
They are literally cheesing the specifications of AMD cards to validate NVIDA ones
elfin mural
Instead of defending the company
Don't need to call the translation layer itself trash
Because that's not the context
fair onyx
I am not defending them, OMG. You guys are woahjacking cause NVIDIA took legal action over close to copyright theft... Its not a threat. its just illegal
mortal grail
Got a strong feeling the market won't shift yet again without the support of the things it needs
elfin mural
It's simply a company protecting its own IP
mortal grail
Like if nvidia support for linux continues to improve, that's a big issue
elfin mural
It is a threat, to their IP
Oh yeah, I think Nvidia knows just what they're doing with opening to Linux
mortal grail
Call me an amd simp whatever, if it was intel in amd's shoes I'd say it all the same, I want a triopoly not a monopoly
elfin mural
They know they can spread their influence
fair onyx
It is a threat, to their IP
Again, Disney doesn't sue a mom and pop store cause they are scared they will be competition, they sue them cause they are greedy and want stuff to themselves. NVIDA likely doesn't even bat an eye at ZLUDA, cause it is fundementally impossible to maintain, and will always favor CUDA first
mortal grail
Actively denying efforts to break that single company hold imo is the whole "Leave big company alone" meme to me 💀
elfin mural
^
fair onyx
I don't even know what to say. I point out that its not a threat to NVIDIA cause its not possible to maintain
I point to ROCm, which already is showing success, has a way bigger community supporting it, and is actively being updated basically every day as the better option to take down NVIDA, a company I despise more than any other on this planet
fair onyx
Because its not IP theft... Its not illegal lmao
elfin mural
And I'll dip, cuz it's my sleep time
fair onyx
reverse engineering a key to get into a competitors car so you can sell it is illegal
making your own car from the ground up to compete with theirs is not. Seriously, how hard is it to understand?
ZLUDA will never work, because it will forever rely on CUDA being the most supported things. Every new update with be delayed, every small change will break the entire layer. Why not just make your own things you have control over and can leverage the benefits of your hardware from step one, and then overshadow CUDA?
Relying on your biggest comp's tech is like... So damn stupid
Like, what is the thought process there?
sure it works for a small niche things now, but you can't risk your entire company on a dainty translation layer that can't even work across two different AMD dies
If me pointing out the objectively better way to take down NVIDIA is me being an NVIDIA shill, then IDK what to say lol
fair onyx
Time is money
Which is why dev time should be spent on the tech that isn't boarderline illegal and non-functioning for most 
anyways
This has thoroughly put a down turn on my mood hearing that people are cheering for something as flawed/illegal as ZLUDA instead of the tried and proven ROCm
chrome mirage
Good day to wash the car.
brittle lynx
Corolla
chrome mirage
even the stamp says subaru
A bunch of the parts have Subaru logos on them
dusk knot
Is that a subaUWU?
gleaming rivet
Is that a subaUWU?
dusk knot
😂
opaque sedge
Is this surge protector aight?
velvet summit
new chair
quite comfortable
(i know my desk is messy, im going to clean it up.... someday)
my desk has all the necessities
microsd to sd card adapters, AC voltage tester, multimeter, whiteout, isopropyl alcohol, tork napkins in a tork napkin dispenser, a noctua fan that cost $100, ptm something something, old hard drive, triple a batteries, notepads, usb drives, microsd to usb adapters, dc power supply, kevlar gloves, wax stamp and wax pellets for sealing letters, a new toothbrush that im replacing my old one with today, my passport, a hat, a bluetooth speaker, pc speakers, google nest mini, audio interface and mic, flashlight, calipers, spare slim 120mm fans, another bluetooth speaker, lego birds kissing, finger tape/self adhesive tape, rpi 4, rpi 5, microwave popcorn (expired and not popped), wallet, screwdriver, waterbottle, glasses cleaning spray, home phone, a bunch of important and also unimportant documents or test prints, a monitor behind my monitor, a best buy gift card, some bottles of fountain pen ink, a heatproof thing for protecting tables from hot pots or pans or whatever, some textbooks, a random LED, IEMs, xbox controller, safety glasses, ketchup packet, rack ears for a network switch, an old canada's computers receipt, a tv remote, a kurotoga mechanical pencil, some double a batteries, just the brown and brown white twisted pair extracted from a cat5e or cat5 cable idk what, a way too long xlr cable, new ribbons for a dot matrix printer, a bible (NIV), some multivitamins, a back massager, and a few more miscellaneous bits and pieces
truly a minimalist setup
pliant berry
fair onyx
I am gonna 3D print one
its cool that Noctua put the models up for free on printables
There you go
they themselves opened it for the community to use
I would love to scale it up and print it for my bigger desk fan
random osprey
I would love to scale it up and print it for my bigger desk fan
print one big enough to fit one of these fans in it
fair onyx
Yeah, thats like one of the ones I have
I could slice it in 4 pieces and put it together
sinful blade
@dusk knot how’s it feelin
opaque sedge
Is the deathadder v3 wired a good mouse?
random osprey
yes
rancid juniper
WHAT DA HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
oh man
the memes weren't kidding
this is ATROCIOUS
light egret
next gen consoles gonna have to have 10 petabytes of storage at launch just to install 2 games
light egret
lmao get it now for only $599.99!
misty sparrow
Base Series S only has 364GB storage max
light egret
thats like, 1 whole game man
misty sparrow
what a world we live in
what I’m more astounded by is why console operating systems take up so much space
easy 100GB reserved just for OS
nocturne flicker
my desk has all the necessities
microsd to sd card adapters, AC voltage tester, ...
Man just spat out the Weird Al Hardware store lyrics
sinful blade
oh man
Makes me enjoy not caring for cod since black ops 3
(Or black ops 2 before that)
Come to think about it
rancid juniper
Makes me enjoy not caring for cod since black ops 3
(Or black ops 2 before that)
same the only COD games ive ever played was warzone 2 (long gone) and cod mobile
rancid juniper
Base Series S only has 364GB storage max
😭
sinful blade
I think I maybe have gotten nothing except black ops 3, 2, 1, and modern warfare 2(original one for 360)
rancid juniper
i bet your arse people will not care about the nasty storage requirement and still buy it
sinful blade
I was only interested in zombies anyways
misty sparrow
what I’m more surprised about is why people keep buying call of duty
rancid juniper
they act like there is no other fps
misty sparrow
essentially the fast and furious of games but unlike fast and furious, it didn’t die off
sinful blade
People complained that d2 was reissued content for a while
Anyone wanna take a look at CoD?
misty sparrow
it’s still selling well
sinful blade
it’s still selling well
Because it’s mostly impressionable young males
Cod is popular with the 7-18 crowd
Starts with an older person showing them it on YouTube or in person
misty sparrow
Well
At least COD isn’t the only popular FPS now
and we got some cool new fps games coming soon that look great
rancid juniper
for sure
opaque sedge
Guys I got all the parts I need
Cpu, mobo, ram, gpu, storage, psu, case, mouse, keyboard, monitor, and a surge protector.
opaque sedge
Guys I got all the parts I need
Cpu, mobo, ram, gpu, storage, psu, case, mouse,...
Any build guides i can use?
nocturne flicker
At least COD isn’t the only popular FPS now
I'll have you know back in the day we had the CoD-Battlefield rivalry
misty sparrow
but then COD became more popular than Battlefield over time in the mid-2010s
nocturne flicker
but then COD became more popular than Battlefield over time in the mid-2010s
Battlefield 1 came out at the same time as Infinite Warfare, when everyone was dumping on CoD
nocturne flicker
Its fine, both of them are jokes now
nocturne flicker
The first mainline game in 6 years and its garbage 
opaque sedge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1fxZ-VWs2U
So i dont have an anti static strap, and he recommends i plug in the psu and touch it periodically should I do that?
light egret
Yes.
It's not strictly neccesary, but it will prevent you from accidentally sending static shock through some of the fragile parts which can potentially break them
also don't stand on carpet or put your parts on carpet.
opaque sedge
So just plug in the psu nothing else
opaque sedge
also don't stand on carpet or put your parts on carpet.
Shoot I was about to build it downstairs on the floor
light egret
yeah you touch the metal part usually over the fan
opaque sedge
Shoot I was about to build it downstairs on the floor
Will a glass dining table be okay? Its pretty strong
opaque sedge
also don't stand on carpet or put your parts on carpet.
Should I wear slippers theres a carpet below the table
light egret
maybe regular shoes with rubber bottoms
Like I said, it's all for redundancy precaution. I've never personally had an issue and I don't take precautionary measures, but I've known people who have had issues.
I think I've worn my antistatic wriststrap exactly once lol
opaque sedge
My hands are sweaty af and I only have rubber gloves should I wear them?
light egret
are they sweaty from nerves?
opaque sedge
Or just occasionally wipe with a paper towel
opaque sedge
are they sweaty from nerves?
No hyperhidrosis
light egret
id just wipe with paper towel.
opaque sedge
Got it
light egret
you can wear rubber gloves if you want for safety
it wont hurt anything
how much sweat are we talking? are they drenched?
mental yoke
Pinus tech Tips
opaque sedge
Are these screwdrivers good enough?
mental yoke
They are screwdrivers
light egret
they are fine
mental yoke
Whatg more do you want?
opaque sedge
And for plugging in the psu can I just straigh up plug it in?
opaque sedge
And for plugging in the psu can I just straigh up plug it in?
Like no need to install?
mental yoke
Yeah
light egret
no
just plug it into the wall and set it on the table next to you so you can touch it from time to time.
after your mobo and stuff is all installed, you unplug it and install it into the case and run your wires to where they need to go.
opaque sedge
just plug it into the wall and set it on the table next to you so you can touch ...
No need to turn it on?
light egret
no you're just grounding it.
the only important thing is that the bottom prong of the plug is inserted into the wall.
so when you touch it, it just sends whatever static to ground
dusk knot
Yes
random osprey
time to close it
light egret
yes
dusk knot
Congrats
.hardest part done
dusk knot
Oh
random osprey
normal for it to feel resistance if thats what youre talking about
dusk knot
It takes force to clamp it down
light egret
does it look like it is seated in properly
opaque sedge
does it look like it is seated in properly
Only one corner of the black thingy popped
opaque sedge
after you closed it?
When i tried closing
light egret
do it again but don't be afraid to put a little bit of force into it
this is the scariest part of building a pc cause it feels like you're going to break it. If you put it in right, and it looks like you did, it should close and the black thing will pop off completely
opaque sedge
I think i did it
light egret
yep.
random osprey
jp trying to get this guy to break his cpu and mobo 🗿
dusk knot
Never
dusk knot
He has an AIO?
light egret
I think he's using stock fan
random osprey
cable or no cable for the pic?
dusk knot
No cable
opaque sedge
Do i need to remove this sticker?
random osprey
would be better to keep it on so you can see the timings
opaque sedge
Where do I align the notch? This is ddr5
light egret
it will only go in one way
random osprey
should align with the notch in the ram slot, if it doesnt, then flip it
light egret
open the side tabs on the ram slots, put it in and check for alignment, and if its ligning up, push down on both sides evenly until you hear a click
or until the side notches go back up over the ram on their own
light egret
think you need to flip it
see how the notches is slightly off from the line on the slot?
you want those to be ligned up
opaque sedge
see how the notches is slightly off from the line on the slot?
Oh nah i just clicked the pic of the notch
light egret
also before you put it in, make sure you're putting it in the right slot. I think it should be dimm-b2 and dimm-a2
what mobo do you have
opaque sedge
Asus tuf b650 E wifi
dusk knot
👆
opaque sedge
I think i got it
light egret
yessir
opaque sedge
Should I check to see if I can remove it?
light egret
how so?
opaque sedge
I inserted it this way
light egret
you said it fit right
light egret
it will only go in one way
opaque sedge
Even ddr5?
random osprey
yes
light egret
yep
random osprey
it only goes 1 way
opaque sedge
Phew
random osprey
the notch is close to the middle but itsd offset so itll only go 1 way
light egret
you wouldn't be able to push it down without destroying it.
light egret
if you got m.2, yes.
opaque sedge
Are you using stock cooler?
Thermalright phantom spirit
Looks like this mobo only has one m2 slot
random osprey
it has 3
light egret
I can see 2 right there lol
third is under that black bar with the "got your back" on it
random osprey
the got your back you want to unscrew
light egret
That's the one you're gonna wanna use for your main drive prob.
the black bar acts as a heat sync for it
opaque sedge
No heatsink on the bottom two?
light egret
you got that fancy flip latch at the end.
random osprey
depends on your m.2. if its shorter then you might have to get the standoff and screw that was included in your motherboard
light egret
random osprey
if it aligns with that latch, then just latch it and screw back down the heatsink
light egret
are there m.2 storage drives sold retail that aren't that long?
opaque sedge
Is this damaged?
random osprey
also check if theres a thermalpad under the heatsink, there might be plastic on it that you need to remove
light egret
i think the sticker is just crinkled. I'd install it.
light egret
is it a g502 hero
pseudo raven
pro
pseudo raven
is it a g502 hero
sometimes i wish this mouse didnt exist
light egret
the g502 hero?
pseudo raven
so many people ar estuck using that heavy piece of plastic and have no idea theres
better stuff out there
light egret
i've had many mice. This one is my favorite lol
random osprey
eh g502 is sitll good for what it is but also its very expensive for what it is 
light egret
but i have the old one which apparently was built way better
I got mine for 25 buks at best buy
it was on sale
but i did say that as a joke cause people were hating on it bad the other day lol
pseudo raven
i've had many mice. This one is my favorite lol
hey if youve tried everything there is and like it the best nothing wrong with it
but people see that as like the best mouse out there and don't even try anything else
light egret
I like its layout of the buttons and the fidget scroll wheel.
nah I won't say the best.
pseudo raven
two of my friends had some g502 and i got them to try something else they found a lot better
light egret
It could be improved if they added a wing to the right side for me tho cause my ring and pinky go numb from gripping and I had a mouse that let me lay my hand flat and it was the most ergonomic i've had, but it had nothing but LC RC and scroll wheel.
mighty hazel
eh g502 is sitll good for what it is but also its very expensive for what it is ...
It’s the best
They cost like 40 bucks
pseudo raven
theres better stuff for
40 bucks even
like a lot better
depending on what youre looking for
if what youre looking for is a heavy mouse with a lot of buttons then sure
light egret
there are weights in it tho you can just remove the weights and then its light
pseudo raven
nah
random osprey
light 
light egret
lol ok not that light
pseudo raven
even without the grips your mouse is maybe
light egret
I just took mine out
pseudo raven
3x the weight of mine?
light egret
BUT. i like the weight
back when I originally bought this I swear people were talking down on how light mouses were lol
pseudo raven
back when I originally bought this I swear people were talking down on how light...
lmao yeah
people associate weight with quality and luxury sometimes
but i think in mice its kinda the opposite
*in reality i guess
light egret
I never cared about weight one way or another. I just want the buttons to feel good to push and I want a back and forward button.
pseudo raven
yeah weight matters more for fps games than anything
light egret
I like the layout of this mouse and what it offers. I tried one of those mouse with the 1-9 button layout and I hated it lol
pseudo raven
though not having to put more effort into moving a mouse around is nice
light egret
this is how I get my daily workout in ok
random osprey
@pseudo raven aint gonna lie, forgor i had a sora v2 on my desk. been using this beast x mini nonstop since i got it
pseudo raven
<@157646381429948417> aint gonna lie, forgor i had a sora v2 on my desk. been us...
sora v2 my favorite mouse
im getting a m900 pro because it was $25 and i was bored
random osprey
i tried to install the software for the sora, software didnt detect the v2, i unplugged it and went back to the beast x mini
pseudo raven
i tried to install the software for the sora, software didnt detect the v2, i un...
you gotta go online
ninjaforce or something
random osprey
light egret
wait my dpi button stopped working. this mouse sucks
random osprey
more software i cant install on my pc, rip
im trying to collect mouse software like infinity stones
pseudo raven
more software i cant install on my pc, rip
might be the first person to ever say this
random osprey
i always get the software and use it as its part of the experience with the mouse to see if its good or not or if its even worth keeping
idle nexus
bruh
opaque sedge
Guys what thermal paste pattern?
idle nexus
light egret
nvm i fixed it lol
unreal trail
random osprey
steelseries and hyperx are the only ones where i was happy to actually uninstall it
worthy meteor
Uh oh
opaque sedge
Guys what thermal paste pattern?
And is tf7 good?
random osprey
other mouse softwares ive kept
idle nexus
that drive is barely 2 years old
random osprey
Guys what thermal paste pattern?
just a pea sized dot in the middle
idle nexus
worthy meteor
Wonder what the warnings are
opaque sedge
just a pea sized dot in the middle
This much?
random osprey
should be good
opaque sedge
No need to spread it around?
idle nexus
the most info I could get
I spread it around
with one of those little paste spreading things
I rarely use paste tho lol
random osprey
No need to spread it around?
pressure of the cpu cooler will spread it. also for that cooler were you suppose to install the brackets first?
random osprey
ah ye, theres screws on the cooler itself i see
light egret
I usually will put the heat sync on and tighten it down, and then remove it to make sure I got a good even spread, and then put it back on.
idle nexus
if you take it off you kinda gotta like corral it back to the center or you might spread it too thin
light egret
iunno I've never had that issue.
but I have put to much thermal paste and it smoosh out the sides in all directions lol
opaque sedge
Bro i got scared cuz i put in too much pressure with screwing on one side, should i clean up with paper towel and repaste?
light egret
nah just put it back on carefully
and screw it a little one side at a time
so you get even pressure
idle nexus
eh I do this
light egret
that looks like you put blue plastic over thermal paste
idle nexus
lol that might be the last time I put paste on a CPU
light egret
i know its not, but it looks like that to me lol
idle nexus
lol it's K|ngP|n KPX paste
idle nexus
it was a long time ago I don't remember tbh
so not enough that I remember doing a bad job lol
light egret
is that the last paste job you did?
idle nexus
this is how you should paste imo
light egret
what is that, a guide?
opaque sedge
Do plug the fans into cpu opt or cpu fan?
light egret
for heat sync i go with fan
idle nexus
but either way I don't think you will get a POST error for no CPU fan regardless of whether you use CPU or CPU_OPT
opaque sedge
Do i use this as well?
idle nexus
do you have more than one fan you're connecting to a single header?
light egret
yeah thats to split the fans
opaque sedge
do you have more than one fan you're connecting to a single header?
Yup two
idle nexus
don't split unless you have to
well if you're connecting two of the exact same fan it's not really an issue
it's not really an issue at all honestly
light egret
I would use the splitter as that's how it was shipped and meant to be used lol
idle nexus
but if you have different fans, that splitter is only going to read RPMs off one of them
idle nexus
if you look inside the female connections, one will be missing a pin
opaque sedge
if you look inside the female connections, one will be missing a pin
Yup
idle nexus
because it won't have the connection for tachometer to measure fan RPM
light egret
its for a cpu cooler. It comes with 2 fans and they're meant to be synced
opaque sedge
So use the splitter?
light egret
I would
idle nexus
e.g., I use a PWM splitter to run 3x140mm & 3x120mm Noctuas for benching off molex
& even tho all six fans are connected to the PWM splitter, it's only getting an RPM reading off one
what are you connecting btw lol
light egret
the 2 fans that came with his heatsync
idle nexus
I should've asked that before I started saying what could be nonsense lol
opaque sedge
I think the cooler is too big, the fan almost sits up top at the ram
idle nexus
oh ya that's fine to use then
same yourself a fan header in case you need it later ig
opaque sedge
I think the cooler is too big, the fan almost sits up top at the ram
And do i need to connect the case fans to the mobo?
idle nexus
where else would you connect them?
light egret
if it dont actually touch, it fine
otherwise you could switch the fans to the other side
just make sure they face the same way, dont want them working against each other.
opaque sedge
where else would you connect them?
Where would I connect that? The cha fan?
idle nexus
unless the fans have boxes you're supposed to connect to
ya connect to the motherboard header
are they rgb fans?
light egret
What case you got
idle nexus
CHA fans or System fans
you may want to check in BIOS to see that if you're using those headers, they're set to speed up/slow down with CPU temps. Sometimes they're set to adjust speed based on like "System" temp or something pretty useless by default
light egret
I think you're over complicating it. He seems to be building his first PC and you prob don't wanna overload him with information as that will just make it harder.
idle nexus
also, if you use the "pump" or "AIO" header, it'll likely be set to run at 100% all the time because that header is usually for, well, a pump (obv). That header can usually run a higher wattage than the others but it's fine for use for fans
sorry you're right
light egret
Your info is good, but for someone new to the field it gets confusing real quick lol.
light egret
I was just going to say looking good 😂
idle nexus
lol you can take the clips off & rotate the fan housing so the wires are less visible
but otherwise it looks like you did it just fine
or just run the wires under
light egret
That is a huge cooler though. It gonna cool good though probably
idle nexus
it looks like there's plenty of length
opaque sedge
Do i need to remove all plactic from my mobo?
light egret
I reccomend it
opaque sedge
Wbt this one? Its rather stubborn
light egret
that will be fine
opaque sedge
Btw i dropped my psu what are the chnaces its all jumbled up inside?
light egret
although it looks like thats going all the way to the edge of the black matt looking thing
it's likely fine
idle nexus
the only plastic you really need to remove for sure is on the part of the cooler that touches the CPU IHS
opaque sedge
don't forget to put in your I/O shield
Whats that?
light egret
I/O shield> Standoffs> Mobo
opaque sedge
The back cover?
light egret
the cover that goes over where all the USB ports and stuff
this is your I/O
there should be a shield that goes into the case where that lines up
actually it looks like yours is built into the mobo already
disregaurd if you don't have one
opaque sedge
I dont
light egret
alright yeah. On my mobo its just ports with everything around it open. On yours it's all closed off so you're good lol
opaque sedge
What are standoffs?
light egret
velvet summit
Btw i dropped my psu what are the chnaces its all jumbled up inside?
If you shake it and hear something loose, then you'll know it'll be broken
light egret
these screw into your case so that you can screw your mobo into it
your case prob came with some or maybe they're already installed
opaque sedge
I only have three
velvet summit
Those, as the name implies, is for the eatx not-standard size of mobo
opaque sedge
The package only has the mobo screws
opaque sedge
are therre standoffs installed already
I think this is it
opaque sedge
light egret
It looks to me like theyre all installed in the correct patturn except you could add one more in the middle. Hard to tell cause the pic is kinda blurry
is there one right here?
opaque sedge
is there one right here?
Yup
opaque sedge
is there one right here?
More angled pic
light egret
yeah that's perfect
opaque sedge
@light egret got the mobo screwed in
Had to remove the fan temporarily tho cuz of it interfering
light egret
Nice. Looking good
opaque sedge
Gonna take a break
light egret
Alright sounds good
dusk knot
opaque sedge
How hard is it to change psu’s?
@light egret F i forgot to test the system before installing it in the case
icy ore
rancid juniper
Literary and language skills
Ngl when I installed my modular corsair PSU for the first time I had to look up a guide online so that I don't mess up the cables
tranquil pebble
C++ is cursed and so are the compilers for it
craggy shoal
C++ is cursed and so are the compilers for it
goofy ahh code
craggy shoal
Literary and language skills
a genuine skill issue tbh
opaque sedge
Is there a guide to routing these usb usb c power button and headphone cables to the mobo?
craggy shoal
well then there you go lol
opaque sedge
So guys for the two pre installed fans in the front they’re connected to a y cable should I remove or just put one into the cha fan socket?
fair onyx
I justc cleaned my monitor for the first time with Distilled water, and it looks disgusting now...
streaks and smears and... bleghhh
IDk what happened
Its genuinely impressive how the distilled water does nothing
like, literally nothing
craggy shoal
"Idk what happened" you used water 💀
fair onyx
@dusk knot @hollow hedge Do either of you guys have tips? Cause its just getting worse and worse
fair onyx
"Idk what happened" you used water 💀
Its specifically what everybody says to use. What else are you supposed to use?
OMG, my monitor looks horrible now
dusk knot
I justc cleaned my monitor for the first time with Distilled water, and it looks...
Was the microfiber cloth clean?
fair onyx
Its not the cleanest, but it sure as hell didn't make it this bad
fair onyx
I am using soft paper towels now, dry. They are working much better, but there are still tons of streaks all over the place
old fog
this is going to end poorly
dusk knot
You can scratch it @fair onyx
fair onyx
Clean the cloth
That will just leave more film everywhere
light egret
So guys for the two pre installed fans in the front they’re connected to a y cab...
you can leave em chained together
fair onyx
Yup, the panel scratched. Oh well, there was no way to avoid it even with a brand new cloth. its not that big of a deal, I'll never see it
dusk knot
Needs to be 100 percent clean. And only wet half of it so that you can use the rest to dry off the screen @fair onyx
light egret
i believe that's reversable
fair onyx
Anyone know the correct orientation for this usb c connector?
My guess is gay
opaque sedge
i believe that's reversable
Oh cool
light egret
i may be wrong though
dusk knot
Yup, the panel scratched. Oh well, there was no way to avoid it even with a bran...
Terrible...
old fog
Anyone know the correct orientation for this usb c connector?
bottom right is longer than the other sides...match the slot
light egret
yeah it's reversible
fair onyx
Terrible...
It was impossible to avoid with where I live, so I'm not gonna cry over it
opaque sedge
i may be wrong though
Yh
fair onyx
besides, this panel has a 3 yerar warranty, I will have it replaced at some point
There's really no way you could have possibly cleaned it without scratch it, so whatever
the big debris I saw is gone now, its just streaky in direct light cause of the cleaning, but I can't see it in use so IDK
light egret
try using 50/50 water and rubbing alcohol next time with the microfiber
light egret
that's what google says lol
fair onyx
Please, anybody in this chat, do not follow that advice lol
fair onyx
You can't use alcohol on monitors. You'll melt them
light egret
i buy specific sprays for my monitors
fair onyx
you can use a small dab of alcohol in water, but 50% has a high chance of ruining screen coatings
My panel looks great now in use, sop I am not even fonna bother with trying to clean the extra oil off. can't even see it
light egret
iunno everything online says if you dilute it properly it will be fine
fair onyx
Its stupid to use this monitor in a bright room anyways
fair onyx
iunno everything online says if you dilute it properly it will be fine
properly yeah, like 10:1 water to IPA, not 1:1
craggy shoal
Delete the Prius population
dusk knot
There's really no way you could have possibly cleaned it without scratch it, so ...
What type of microfiber cloth did you use? 👀
fair onyx
What type of microfiber cloth did you use? 👀
shaggy one
opaque sedge
@light egret hey this is reversible right?
light egret
yes
dusk knot
shaggy one
Oh no....
fair onyx
like this
tranquil pebble
Delete the Prius population
Prius repellant
light egret
wait maybe not
dusk knot
Oh no.....
light egret
it should only fit one way
fair onyx
Oh no.....
sigh what now?
craggy shoal
light egret
online said reversible lol. I've never used that port before
dusk knot
@fair onyx I feel like I'm to blame for not explaining what type you had to use. It has to be the thin ones used for reading glasses...
fair onyx
I would rather use a dry paper towel than those
craggy shoal
Then why didn’t you use a dry paper towel? 💀
opaque sedge
the bottom right is longer
I can’t tell
fair onyx
<@296720689468145664> I feel like I'm to blame for not explaining what type you ...
the monitor came with one, but it got dirty in like 2 seconds and then my mom used it
old fog
<@250715794575458304> hey this is reversible right?
in your first photo, if you look closely at the adapter, you will notice that one notch is slightly longer than the others (outside edge)...match that...do not jam that in...it is not reversible
light egret
just try to put it in and if it doesnt go in, turn it around
it will click into place
dusk knot
the monitor came with one, but it got dirty in like 2 seconds and then my mom us...
Never allow her to use it...tsk
fair onyx
I guess I can clean this one, but everywhere I have seen says not to use "cleaned" microfiber cloths on glass cause they are full of soap residue
craggy shoal
This chat has suddenly been cursed with low IQ lol
fair onyx
Then why didn’t you use a dry paper towel? 💀
I did lol
ended up working out pretty good
light egret
in your first photo, if you look closely at the adapter, you will notice that on...
yeah I saw that. I googled it and it said reversible. I've never used a usb c port on a case.
old fog
no worries...it's subtle...
light egret
I've never had an issue using a microfiber like that on my monitor, but I always use fresh and go dry to knock off anything that may scratch, then spray and use otherside of the cloth to wipe it.
storm narwhal
Generally water is enough
opaque sedge
I think its in?
dusk knot
🤔
fair onyx
I am just gonna throw this cloth in a cup with water and shake it around for a while lol
it looks mostly clean, but no chances
fair onyx
then I can have soap AND oils on my monitor, Hurah!
storm narwhal
That's kinda what the cloth is for isn't it?
fair onyx
Use Dawn soap
I don't have dawn
storm narwhal
Wipes all the oils off your glasses
dusk knot
Dishwashing liquid, whatever
north crescent
Put it in the laundry
storm narwhal
Fr
fair onyx
Put it in the laundry
Thats a great way to ruin a cloth
light egret
the cloth or the monitor?
north crescent
the cloth or the monitor?
The house
dusk knot
@fair onyx I hope the scratches aren't visible at regular viewing distances
fair onyx
Honestly, I am not even gonna bother with this right now
light egret
hey man why didn't I think of that. Don't wanna sweep? Life hack.
fair onyx
<@296720689468145664> I hope the scratches aren't visible at regular viewing dis...
I could take a razor to this monitor and probably not see it. Its in a dark ass room
fair onyx
the scratches are super light ones, that wouldn't have been avoided with a clean cloth
its likely from the dust itself. I live in the desert and we get really bad dirt dust that scratches everything. All in all, I got off super good
north crescent
Thats a great way to ruin a cloth
Depends on your cleaning agents, temp of water, other things in laundry, etc
old fog
I think its in?
maybe...this might not be true of all, but it has been true of the ones i use - there will be an arrow on the mobo and an arrow on the connector...touch the arrow tips
opaque sedge
I think i scraped it
dusk knot
I've cleaned my monitor 3 times. Not a scratch or smudge
light egret
I think i scraped it
that pic is kinda blury but all pins look like theyre there
dusk knot
I think i scraped it
Can't see that
light egret
I would just plug it in and if it work after boot up then great.
light egret
is there a pin lifted?
light egret
but from what I can see online, theres 10 pins on that port. all 10 seem to be there
dusk knot
Inspect the photo before you send it
sweet gate
may someone send me a good prebuilt on newegg
or tell me if the one i have in my cart id good
is
please i need help
oblique terrace
or tell me if the one i have in my cart id good
Well is it good
north crescent
Zoom in with your phone, when taking the picture, so it properly focuses on what you're trying to show
light egret
you can post the link
sweet gate
Well is it good
vheck dms
check
oh
ill post libk
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light egret
ima let someone else answer cause Idk what is considered good for price nowadays lol
sweet gate
okay
opaque sedge
sweet gate
oblique terrace
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sweet gate
yes
oblique terrace
Idk anything abt pcs anymore lol
sweet gate
ah
sweet gate
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if anyone knows if this is good or theres something better lmk please :))