general-chat

[grand kernel]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know how much of AI compute can be offloaded to dedicated silicon rather than general compute units

from what I do know gpus seem perfect for the task

[devout forum]

Well neither am I

It's just what I see and think based on that

Hopefully I'll be right

[grand kernel]

I have a rudimentary understanding of the math behind AI and a rudimentary understanding of GPU architecture

and that rudimentary understanding leads me to believe that AI workloads aren't as easy to specialize as crypto with ASICs

[devout forum]

I sure would like to return to times when PCs are actually affordable again

[grand kernel]

but that understanding is... rudimentary

[devout forum]

My reasoning is that the bigwigs will always pursue performance

[grand kernel]

crypto is like

solving the same type of calculation over and over again

[devout forum]

And eventually squeezing that last tiiiiny bit will lead to specialized hardware

[grand kernel]

and not needing a significant memory pool beyond DAG size

[devout forum]

Technically speaking

[grand kernel]

so that should be easier to specialize

[devout forum]

Static chip architecture is a severe limitation to a "true" self-evolving AI

[grand kernel]

machine learning uses many different types of calculations

and needs more memory buffer

like you gotta be able to accommodate step functions, ReLU, PReLU, softmax, cross entropy, etc

convolutional layers

[devout forum]

It's probably gonna take a while

[grand kernel]

different architectures

[devout forum]

But I do think that there's gonna be some evolution leading to GPUs no longer being the hardware of choice for AI applications

[grand kernel]

I can definitely see specialized silicon for the top end but I think it'll be too complex to be worth making anything midrange

I look forward to being wrong though

[elfin mural]

All Imma say is

[grand kernel]

but even if AI stops putting more demand on GPUs

[elfin mural]

I think if nvidia is the same price, I'd probably.. get nvidia I guess?

[grand kernel]

there could be more things that want cheap general compute power

[elfin mural]

But the thing is, a mem oc can unleash the GRE's non-rt perf

If you care about efficiency a lot, then it makes sense

[grand kernel]

well

[devout forum]

Depends what you want really
If you really care about RT then naturally Team Green

And power draw is lower with green team

The price is usually higher for a given perf tier tho

[grand kernel]

if they're the same price/perf, same vram at the same price, etc. then nvidia is kind of the obvious choice, radeon competes by offering better price/perf or more vram or whatever

it's just like

how long can they keep doing that

there's eventually going to be a turning point where more gamers care about RT than not

can radeon catch up in RT in time?

[elfin mural]

I think they can

But that's just me

[grand kernel]

and even if they catch up in RT

what about everything else

[elfin mural]

That's the question for the future tbf

Right now, I'd still go radeon

[grand kernel]

radeon makes some fantastic hardware but the difference in software stack is immense

[devout forum]

You'll need like

Years for RT to really become mainstream

[grand kernel]

I don't think it's a sustainable strategy to compete purely on hardware forever

[elfin mural]

Tho I find myself liking nvidia shadowplay lol

It's so convenient

[devout forum]

You need to develop games with a focus on RT

[grand kernel]

radeon has relive right?

[devout forum]

It's also kinda better

[grand kernel]

haven't tried it though so not sure how it is

[elfin mural]

I haven't tried that too

[devout forum]

I did

[elfin mural]

But shadowplay is ez

[devout forum]

It's based

[grand kernel]

this will eventually become the norm

we don't know when

[devout forum]

Yes it will

[grand kernel]

all I'm saying is the current strategy radeon is using is not sustainable long term

[devout forum]

But it is likely to take a long time

[grand kernel]

I don't even think it will be that long

wouldn't be surprised if it's within a decade

[devout forum]

Every dev would need to write whole new game engines that are focused on RT

[grand kernel]

so like what 4-5 gpu gens?

[devout forum]

Writing a new game engine is a lot of work

[devout forum]

More like 3 since we don't get new gens every year now

[grand kernel]

isn't path tracing easier than traditional raster? it's just seen as extra work right now due to raster being more important

[elfin mural]

It is

[grand kernel]

I know traditional raster has to use a lot of hacks to optimize performance

[elfin mural]

I blame lack of optimization and maturity of hardware

[grand kernel]

I've done some

[elfin mural]

Path tracing is more efficient

It's just, the way devs make games

It's a mess

[grand kernel]

damn I want to take grad level computer graphics course now lol

I took undergrad upper div computer graphics

[elfin mural]

Nvidia has a good point

[grand kernel]

I took a grad level machine learning course that was difficult but it was pretty fun

[elfin mural]

But they also flip us all off by making subpar geforce gpus

[grand kernel]

we had to implement machine learning algorithms from scratch instead of using prebuilt libraries

to really gain an understanding of how they work

[devout forum]

Technically yes
But you need to fundamentally rewrite your game engine for it to work

[grand kernel]

ue5 already has extensive support

I really don't think we're that far away

will traditional raster still be the primary rendering technique in 10 years?

[devout forum]

It's really not that extensive RT

It's still based on raster fundamentally

I mean if you want to utilize all properties of RT

Your game engine becomes incompatible with raster

[tranquil pebble]

and then charging absurd prices for them

[grand kernel]

heck we're already able to inject rt into old games by hijacking draw calls lol

[devout forum]

Game studios won't transition to fully RT-based game engines until the overwhelming majority of the playerbases are running RT hardware

Which will take time

Especially with how squeezed people's wallets are lately

[grand kernel]

yeah but do you think it will be more than 10 years

hardware capable of some form of RT is already affordable

[devout forum]

It mostly depends on the spending power and willingness of end users

[grand kernel]

people are even talking about hardware RT in phone chips lol

[devout forum]

You don't need "some form" tho

You need prime RT for it to really work

[grand kernel]

yes

[devout forum]

Think from the game dev studio's POV

[grand kernel]

but it makes sense to continue in the same trajectory

traditional GPU cores don't become obsolete either, you can still use them for RT calculations in a fully RT game

so it's not like you would have to wait for 5090s to disappear from the usage charts

[devout forum]

You can make 3 types of game engine
-Pure raster
-Mixed raster+RT
-Pure RT

Nobody will make a new game engine pure raster in this age, but old game engines are largely made with that (yes you can mod it but that's a mod not engine-level)

And making a pure RT engine carries the risk that a large portion of potential players can't use it due to not having good RT hardware who then make a ruckus online and bomb your ratings

So you're effectively forced to make mixed engines, but mixed engines have major performance penalties for RT

[grand kernel]

we even have igpus with hardware RT acceleration

[grand kernel]

yeah I understand this

[devout forum]

It really hinges on nGreedAI

[grand kernel]

I'm just saying that a breakpoint for pure RT to become viable is probably not that far away

[devout forum]

If they made a 60 class GPU be able to deliver 75+ fps in RT at 1080p for 250 bucks
And a 70 class GPU that's able to deliver 80+ fps in RT at 1440p for 350 bucks

That transition would be FAST

[grand kernel]

look how fast the 5700xt became unsupported in a game due to missing features lol

only took like 4 years for a game to come out that the 5700xt couldn't even launch

[devout forum]

But nGreedAI will never do that because then they're "only" raking in sizable profits instead of mind-bendingly large ones

[grand kernel]

I mean those prices are just not reasonable with inflation existing no?

60 class was already $300 in 2016

why would it get cheaper over time?

[devout forum]

3060 was like

[grand kernel]

gtx 1060 was one of the most loved gpus of all time

$300 msrp

[devout forum]

See?

Okay make it 300 then

4060 is like 450 MSRP isn't it?

Was it really 33% inflation form one gen to another?

[elfin mural]

nope

that's 4060ti

4060 remains $300 msrp

[grand kernel]

adjusted for inflation the 1060 MSRP is 390 now

so the 60 class has gotten cheaper over time technically

[tranquil pebble]

companies often overstate inflation to increase prices it seems like

[elfin mural]

the lack of perf uplift is what's disappointing

[grand kernel]

now there's an argument to be made that the current 60 class isn't a real 60 class...

[elfin mural]

but i guess

[devout forum]

The issue is that the 60 class name is 50 class perf now

[elfin mural]

we get a cheaper gpu

the same thing for less money

[devout forum]

4000 series is a major scam aside from 4090 in terms of perf

[grand kernel]

ehhh in terms of % of the flagship maybe

[elfin mural]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-gv-n4060wf2oc-8gd/p/N82E16814932630

I wouldn't recc this to anyone rn but

[grand kernel]

4060 is still a decent generational uplift over 3060 though, it's not like it got weaker

[elfin mural]

$300 4060

[devout forum]

My point is that

[grand kernel]

yes, nvidia is being greedy

but I don't think we should expect a $250 60 class gpu in 2034

[devout forum]

The 60 class needs to actually deliver the perf in RT to actually trigger the switch

[grand kernel]

well, yes

and that will happen

[devout forum]

It needs to be 60+ fps min in RT

For it to make sense

[devout forum]

I'm not so optimistic

I am fully expecting nGreedAI greed to just hold up the status quo, do an Intel and just suck up the money while not innovating

[elfin mural]

If nvidia does that, so will radeon

It's all in all a total loss

[grand kernel]

technically the 4060 can already deliver "60 fps" in path traced cyberpunk

the word technically pulling a lot of weight there

[elfin mural]

delicious frame gen

[grand kernel]

I do wanna say you could probably get a good experience even without FG if you were able to like, path trace medium settings or something

iirc path tracing forces all settings to max?

[elfin mural]

ye

That's the bad thing lol

[grand kernel]

but in a world where path tracing is the default there would have to be lower settings with path tracing

so we're actually really not that far off from a relatively affordable 60 class being able to path trace 60 fps...

[elfin mural]

Also the growing vram usage

4060 is faster than 3060 but

12 gigs is safer

[mortal grail]

The timing of microsoft on this is stupendous.
https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-wants-you-to-switch-from-local-to-microsoft-account-using-its-official-guide/

[elfin mural]

And the bus width hurts it

[grand kernel]

yeah we'll see some higher chip densities from gddr7 so hopefully that will alleviate the issue

[elfin mural]

I hope so

It better not be 64 bit gddr7

[grand kernel]

32Gb chips would mean 16GB vram on 128-bit bus or 24GB on 192-bit

[elfin mural]

not.. bad

i guess

i regret getting 4050

[grand kernel]

even 24Gb would be a big help and that's likely to be available pretty quickly since we have 24Gb DDR5

[elfin mural]

it's gonna become obsolete already lol

[mortal grail]

Why

4050 is fine

[elfin mural]

ye but

[mortal grail]

If 4050 is obsolete then 3060m is which is wrong

[elfin mural]

6 gigs vram is noticeable

[grand kernel]

24Gb chips would mean 12GB on 128-bit and 18GB on 192-bit

[mortal grail]

No

Turn down settings

Learn to understand you have a 50 class

💀

[elfin mural]

tbf i don't care about maxing out either

[grand kernel]

ok but here's the thing

what else would you have gotten

at the time

[elfin mural]

but getting 50 fps on med-low 1080p in tdu solar crown is

kinda sad

[grand kernel]

what other options did you have at the same price in the same environment

[elfin mural]

but i guess you guys were right

[mortal grail]

Considering it needs work that's not bad

[grand kernel]

hardware is always going to age

[elfin mural]

it was all 4050's

[grand kernel]

you can't just regret buying something looking at new stuff coming out

[elfin mural]

i didn't have a choice

[grand kernel]

unless like

[mortal grail]

Solar crown has mad frame pacing instability

[grand kernel]

you bought it the day before lol

[mortal grail]

It's not optimised yet

[elfin mural]

i guess i have fomo again

[mortal grail]

If it was then it would have better system spec reqs.

[grand kernel]

your 4050 eventually becoming obsolete doesn't mean it was a mistake to purchase at the time

[elfin mural]

when i really shouldn't

[grand kernel]

all hardware eventually becomes obsolete

[elfin mural]

good point

[mortal grail]

And again, it's still fine

Lol

[grand kernel]

imagine being an enthusiast in the 90s

[elfin mural]

The gaming industry almost got me I guess

[grand kernel]

when you can buy absolute top end and it becomes ewaste in 3 years

[elfin mural]

Believing I should feel bad

[grand kernel]

and the top end was legit more expensive back then too

[tranquil pebble]

💀

[elfin mural]

Imagine paying $3000 for top end pc

[tranquil pebble]

buy a CPU, next year its obsolete

[elfin mural]

Only for it to become uselessly slow soon after

[grand kernel]

$3999 in 1995 dollars is over 8k now

[elfin mural]

Gaming I think is actually cheaper than 20 years ago

[grand kernel]

imagine shelling out 8k for top of the line and after 3 years you can barely browse the web

[elfin mural]

Like hell

4050 laptop for $700-800

[grand kernel]

imagine all them 95/98 machines when windows xp came out

[mortal grail]

There's an old article from like, 1978

8K pc

[elfin mural]

Anyway I eep

[mortal grail]

Costs more than a house deposit at the time

[elfin mural]

Enough worrying about ma laptop

[mortal grail]

💀

[elfin mural]

It's still amazing I won't lie

And Imma just keep it until it dies lol

[grand kernel]

oh boy did you get a whole 256kb hard drive with it

[tranquil pebble]

seems like a lot of inflation for not many decades

[elfin mural]

Knowing I can run anything I wish or want to

That's a pretty good feeling

[grand kernel]

a lot of it is probably more recent

[tranquil pebble]

the fact that modern CPUs have more cache than HDDs originally had total capacity is funny

[grand kernel]

a silly little thing happened in 2008

and then another silly little thing happened in 2019

[tranquil pebble]

yeah, "The Great Recession" and the "Coronapocalypse"

[grand kernel]

said silly little things could be possibly described as not generally good for the economy

[elfin mural]

oopsies of the earth

[tranquil pebble]

2019 felt worse

[elfin mural]

i didn't feel the impact much

[grand kernel]

lol I was 10 in 2008 I had no idea what a recession even was let alone that we were in one

[elfin mural]

back then my dad still had a ton of cash

[grand kernel]

ig I was lucky my life didn't really change in 2008

stayed in the same house

[tranquil pebble]

I was saving up for my first gaming PC then... working at a Six Flags park

[grand kernel]

parents didn't lose their jobs

oh boy

[elfin mural]

I remember the pain of running ddr3 850m

[grand kernel]

yeah I was in elementary school

oblivious

[elfin mural]

4050 is such a godsend

[grand kernel]

what PC was I running in 2008? I do not know

[elfin mural]

my first pc was a laptop

in like 2013

[grand kernel]

I know what I had in 2004 and I know what I had 2011 onwards

but 2008? I do not know

[tranquil pebble]

in 2008 I was on a 1.8 GHz Pentium 4 with 512 MB RAM

[grand kernel]

I remember my PC from 2004 was definitely gone by 2008

[tranquil pebble]

it was absolute misery

[mighty hazel]

My first pc was like 2015 💀

[tranquil pebble]

jumped from that to Core i7 920 overclocked to 4 GHz, and 12 GB of RAM

[grand kernel]

actually

wait

no it was in 5th grade when we tossed it

so I guess I was still using that PC in 2008

[mighty hazel]

Before that I used what my parents had, idek what they had in 2009, like some 2gb ddr2 pc

💀

[grand kernel]

I remember it started blue screening at some point

[tranquil pebble]

mine was in like 2004ish

[grand kernel]

and my parents accused me of getting a virus on it

but I legit didn't download anything cause all I wanted to do was play maplestory lol

[tranquil pebble]

Super Socket 7, 64 MB RAM, ATI Rage 128 graphics

[grand kernel]

prob just a hardware failure of some sort

[tranquil pebble]

I still have that thing

[grand kernel]

I guess we had pretty similar specs in 2008 then

[tranquil pebble]

2009 I went to that

[mighty hazel]

I mean the old home pc is still here. I think my parents got it in like 2006

💀 2gb ram

Ddr2

[tranquil pebble]

Radeon HD 4890 was an absolute monster of a video card in 2009

like you have no idea lol

[grand kernel]

I'd have to find details but I had some kind of pentium 4

[mighty hazel]

I think it’s a gtx 260

[grand kernel]

I think I might've had 1gb ram

so that prob felt a lot better than 512mb

[tranquil pebble]

HD 4890 would have crushed that thing

[mighty hazel]

Apparently amd had driver issues back then

[grand kernel]

I remember visiting my cousin and his pc had 512mb ram and it felt noticeably slower

[tranquil pebble]

yes but not to the point of being too much of a problem for gaming

[grand kernel]

it might've also had slower CPU/GPU/disk though I don't know lol

all I knew was ram capacity

[mighty hazel]

I think the most demanding game my parents played on it was league 💀

When it came out

[grand kernel]

ah I found it

[tranquil pebble]

also in 2009 ish it was still called ATI Radeon IIRC

[grand kernel]

gateway profile 5.5 was my first pc

[mighty hazel]

Oh

[grand kernel]

damn if the review units were 512mb I guess my parents shelled out for 1gb upgrade

it was an all in one and they knew nothing about computers so pretty sure they didn't upgrade it themselves lol

[mighty hazel]

Idk when it’s from but it’s ddr2 so it’s probably from mid 2000s

[tranquil pebble]

late 2000s was DDR3 so that sounds about right

early 2000s was DDR1

[grand kernel]

so I had a pentium 4 with 2.8-3.2ghz?, 1gb ddr-400 probably?

[tranquil pebble]

that was one of the later Pentium 4s so decent at least

[grand kernel]

seems they came with an ATI radeon X300

[mighty hazel]

I’ve seen the pc ik it’s some gtx card with 1 fan, and 2gb ddr2, idk the cpu

[grand kernel]

not sure if I had that or just integrated though

[tranquil pebble]

early Pentium 4 with Rambus would have been painful

[grand kernel]

I only played a single 2d game on it lol

[mighty hazel]

The motherboard is also from a brand that doesn’t exist anymore

Albatron

[grand kernel]

yeah it was bought in 2004 yours sounds more like 2001-2002 era pentium 4

I remember they bought it for me as a reward for winning some math competition at age 6 lmao

so I remember the exact year

cause I was 6 in 2004

late 2004

[tranquil pebble]

Radeon X300 lol

[mighty hazel]

Pretty sure my parents got it before I was born or maybe a lil after

[grand kernel]

yeah I mean look at the pc

[mighty hazel]

It’s just a metal office pc type case

But I think it’s like custom prebuilt not oem

There’s no brand

[grand kernel]

this thing having a dgpu at all is surprising

[tranquil pebble]

mine was a similar era but was a laptop Pentium 4... so honestly probably even worse than early desktop ones

[grand kernel]

idk how much better this all in one would be over a laptop

wouldn't be surprised if it was thermal throttling from playing maplestory lol

https://global.discourse-cdn.com/spiceworks/original/4X/5/0/3/50396873086fb9484fbd7ae66af811897cfb3ef3.png

[tranquil pebble]

yeah Intel is definitely hurting rn lol

[mighty hazel]

It kinda looks like this

[grand kernel]

it's not that much more volume than a thick early 2000s laptop body methinks

[elfin mural]

ya

it's essentially a laptop but without the portability

[grand kernel]

80gb hard drive damn I was a baller 6 year old

[tranquil pebble]

i dont think thermal throttling was a thing back then

[elfin mural]

there is

[grand kernel]

"Problem I’ve had is that Gateway closed off all of the ventilation for the flat panel, so they burn out quickly."

[elfin mural]

since p4

iirc

[grand kernel]

lol maybe that's why mine started blue screening in 4 years

[grand kernel]

100% there was

I remember watching a video about this from 2001

[tranquil pebble]

ah ok wasnt sure exactly when it was introduced

[elfin mural]

p3 era lacked thermal throttling

[grand kernel]

even some pentium 3s had emergency thermal shutdown

and pentium 4s had good enough throttling to continue running without a cooler

not well... but running

[tranquil pebble]

might be thinking of Athlons of the era not having it then

[elfin mural]

didn't athlon of that era just

[grand kernel]

https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4

have fun

[elfin mural]

toast itself

yep

[grand kernel]

this video is aggressively early 2000s lmao

[tranquil pebble]

I think so yes

[elfin mural]

that's an oldie LOL

[grand kernel]

the music is amazing

[elfin mural]

i watched it too

[grand kernel]

yup

AMD was behind on that

[elfin mural]

The music of computers crashing

[grand kernel]

you can watch the AMD chips going up in smoke in that vid

while the intel chips survive

really cool of AMD to recreate that throwback in 2023

[tranquil pebble]

fumo import traveling to me lol

[elfin mural]

holy

the athlons reached 300c+

lol

the smell of burnt pcb

[tranquil pebble]

crispy critters

[elfin mural]

also there's that vid of a duron exploding

too much oc plus no cooler

[icy ore]

Jesus

[tranquil pebble]

Duron: Thermite edition

[elfin mural]

the cpu legit exploded

[tranquil pebble]

I bet you'd get a similar result with a modern CPU if you somehow put 100v into it

[elfin mural]

https://youtu.be/ssL1DA_K0sI

Cpu go boom

[grand kernel]

overclocking with no cooler... what the heck

lmao

[elfin mural]

They took the cooler off for lolz

[grand kernel]

well yes, asus tried that

😄

[elfin mural]

The cpu immediately killed itself

[grand kernel]

poor cpu

[elfin mural]

The crazy people of 2000's

[grand kernel]

well

I wouldn't say that

we had someone here a few weeks ago wonder why their new CPU/board was shutting down

they thought it was defective

it effectively had no cooler on it lol

they tried to jerry rig their aio with intel mounting onto amd board and uh... did not achieve contact

[elfin mural]

lol

[lone mango]

I need some help with deciding what monitor I want

I am currently using a 6+ year old mag27c that is 1080p. The smearing is pretty bad so I am looking for something not expensive, but I don't know what a 24'' 1080p monitor is like

Ive gotten used to how 1080 27'' is like. Something I thought was that I would have the 24'' closer to me which would result in the same experience

Is that true?

When I play siege once in a while and hold an angle I tend to get closer to the monitor and man does it look fuzzy

[rancid juniper]

Quick question: does discord support av1 decoding?

[lone mango]

I have no clue bruh this app is just datamining us fr

[rancid juniper]

💀

[sweet phoenix]

What gpu do you have

You'd likely want 1440p 27"

[nocturne flicker]

Remember when Google used reddit comments to train their AI? Wonder how it'd go with discord comments

[lone mango]

6600

Something else I was thinking but I also have a 1080p capture card so I guess I would have to use my console at 1080p or something idk

[rancid juniper]

UNHINGED X100

[nocturne flicker]

Recommended daily rock intake: 20

[fair onyx]

Anybody else notice Youtube is like, unusable as of late?

Horrible loading times, site crashes, videos randomly jumping around several minutes for no reason, dropped frames, enture site disconnections, blacked out video, choppy audio. Iterally unusable half the time and I have no idea why

[tranquil pebble]

Bocchi fumo is real

[fair onyx]

I am trying to watch a video right now, but nope

it straight up just won't run

[tranquil pebble]

only when not using their mobile app....

[fair onyx]

I am on desktop

mobile app has been fine

[tranquil pebble]

yeah kinda sus whats going on with their website

[fair onyx]

Its horrible

[tranquil pebble]

yes it is

and no you're not alone

[fair onyx]

Watching a video, 17 seconds in, jumps to 6:34 for NO REASON

then the site starts dying when I try to go back

[tranquil pebble]

They either fix it, or people are going to start breaking ToS en masse... just like what happened with adblockers

[tranquil pebble]

most likely from a billion trackers in the page tbh

[lone mango]

I use strict firefox and ghostery and ublock and im chillin

and sponsorblock

[mortal grail]

Yes

Encode and decode

But everyone in that discord call needs to have av1 available

That's the catch

[oblique terrace]

Little kid came up to me tryna sell this lol

Bought it made her feel nice

[rancid juniper]

oof

[dusk knot]

How wonderful

[idle nexus]

I've located a super-secret picture from HW Unboxed's next Computex coverage video

[tranquil pebble]

I need to break the physics of Skyrim. Apparently you can do that with FPS because it ties physics to it... hmm

[oblique terrace]

Ok

So

Either I’m dumb or

Smth cuz I can’t remove this door handle

When I used to work construction 😭

Nvm I got it

Broke it out

[nocturne flicker]

Just turn off vsync and run it with anything above 60fps. It also is tied in with scripting and the ai

So lip movements will play out at different speeds and animations will too

Meaning enemies can have the zoomies

Actually, the zoomies may be a Fallout thing, I haven't checked with Skyrim

[sinful blade]

@dusk knot I won’t spoil
But final final mission fricks

[dusk knot]

I already saw it lmao. But I'll buy the dlc next week

To experience it for myself

[pliant berry]

Im not sure a warranty would give a refund in the event of it being unrepairable, if anything Id imagine they just replace it entirely

Though that is something specific to the manufacturer of the device

if the warranty wasn't voided in any way I'd imagine you are fine. There is a reason dead on arrival rma's exist

[sinful blade]

Good man

Good man

[dusk knot]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98707/nvidias-rtx-5090-and-5080-could-be-delayed-to-early-2025-as-well-amds-rdna-4-gpus/index.html

[sour falcon]

dam

[opaque sedge]

How good is xpg and adata’a customer service?

[chrome mirage]

My GPU came with an anti-sag bracket but I can't use it because it gets in the way of where my m.2 expansion card goes.

[chrome mirage]

Well that's not where it's supposed to go but it will work

[light egret]

I dont understand what i'm looking at

is that just one big gpu?

[chrome mirage]

It is a very large gpu

Surprisingly it wasn't sagging much

[light egret]

ok so how does that anti sag bracket interfere

[chrome mirage]

It's supposed to screw into the area on the left where the graphics card screws in but my m.2 expansion card sticks out too far

[icy ore]

[light egret]

wait huh? I've never seen one that doesn't go on the right. You mean where the I/O is?

[chrome mirage]

It's supposed to be something like this

[light egret]

ohhhhh

is your m.2 x16

[opaque sedge]

Are there any 850w psu’s better than this?

Better in terms of reliability

[chrome mirage]

Yep

[opaque sedge]

Cuz i read a review of a guy whose mobo got fried and have been paranoid since

Now il the dude could’ve made a mistake

But I’m a first time builder… which doesn’t give me much confidence

[light egret]

are you wanting to put the sag bracket in or you just gonna leave it?

[opaque sedge]

Is that an xtx?

[chrome mirage]

I'm gonna leave the way I have it. It probably doesn't need it though

[chrome mirage]

Yes

[opaque sedge]

Damn its huge

My xt looks small in comparison

Well it is small ig

[chrome mirage]

The exterior is solid metal and you can use it as a weapon

[opaque sedge]

276mm

Its a reference card i got from the microcenter bundle

[light egret]

ok cause you could prob get either a right side mounted one, or get a pcie extender and use that to lower the nvme adapter if you got room for it below your mobo. I've done that before lol. looks kinda funny to me tho

[opaque sedge]

Uninstall the heatsink to not add another but to use as a weapon

[chrome mirage]

It's probably fine the way it is. My m.2 card is sagging more than it.

[tacit geode]

@light egret i feel like i know you

[light egret]

iunno maybe we passed each other in a grocery store once or somethin

[opaque sedge]

Anyways guys am I worrying over nothing?

[light egret]

chances are your pc will be fine, but use a surge protector

[tacit geode]

no... I dont think so... did you used to be a mod here?

[light egret]

that psu is good from what I see online

i used to be a techie lol

[tacit geode]

OH

THERE WE GO

yes

thats why i remember you lol

[chrome mirage]

I don't think he was a mod but he was a regular a long time ago

[tacit geode]

you changed name + avatar

so thats why

[opaque sedge]

I found this belkin one a couple days ago https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000J2EN4S?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_1B0CP7GV1AKG5XCRKGCV&language=en_US

[light egret]

yeah I haven't been on my comp at all in the last couple years until now casue im taking an online class lol

[tacit geode]

oh wow

i could never do that

too much stuff to do on my pc

work related stuff

and other stuff

[light egret]

im currently using one that looks exactly like that but its Ativa brand. should be fine lol

[opaque sedge]

Nice

[light egret]

I'm trying to get a wfh job so that I can travel a bit lol

[tacit geode]

i work at walmart but i do alot of research

i help out other stores right now

[light egret]

I'm currently unemployed casue I moved to a new city with family and haven't been able to find a job in my field, but I don't wanna go back. I was a low voltage tech in new construction in texas heat sucks. So now I'm trying to pivot into IT, hence why I'm taking a class lol

[tacit geode]

yeah i get that

I was hoping to change fields but I like it how i am now

[somber skiff]

Forkslabs is hiring

[tacit geode]

no

don't you have far

lol

[pliant berry]

-1usd/hr, no experience required

[light egret]

Hire me

[pliant berry]

congratulations you are now hired

[light egret]

Cool now i wanna sue for backpay for illegal labor practices

and emotional damages

[chrome mirage]

Illegal labor practices is normal in my town.

[pliant berry]

wow, I counter sue you. first paycheck didn't even arrive

[light egret]

same

nah look I have it already

[pliant berry]

lmao that bg

[proud jackal]

MY EYES

[pliant berry]

closer

[light egret]

since when does paint not fill in bg

[proud jackal]

PLEASE STOP

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[light egret]

😂

[chrome mirage]

@proud jackal did you see my new GPU yet?

[proud jackal]

no

[proud jackal]

what is it

[light egret]

I gotta say im jelous of that pc. Looks so clean

[chrome mirage]

7900XTX

[proud jackal]

nice

[chrome mirage]

The motherboard has no audio and the RGB controller is broken

[light egret]

what do mean the mobo has no audio

[mortal grail]

Please use the bracket for that card. Seen too many of these suffer bga cracks from the weight after a few months

Or at the least support the right hand corner with something

[chrome mirage]

I am using it now but not the way the manufacturer recommends

[mortal grail]

Ok good

As long as it's there

Navi x1 cards aren't as bad as nvidia 90 cards but they're still vulnerable

[chrome mirage]

It wasn't sagging badly though. My m.2 expansion card is sagging more

[mortal grail]

Even still

Sag progresses

They often start straight end up bad with time

[chrome mirage]

It was getting worse throughout the day which is why I decided to use the bracket

[mortal grail]

Yeah I believe it

It's something like a 2kg card which has reinforced brackets but it's still kinda sketch

Like Sapphire definitely tried, it was a pain to disassemble mine...lol

[chrome mirage]

this is how my build started but ive changed almost everything since

[mortal grail]

Come a long way lol

[chrome mirage]

Spent a lot of money

I probably could have restored my 09 civic if I didn't put the money into it.

[mortal grail]

Also are there fans on that aio

I can't see them up top

[chrome mirage]

They are above the aio. The positive air pressure is enough to cool the CPU though

[mortal grail]

Ah ok

[chrome mirage]

I've ran it in fanless mode and it only got up to 65C

[light egret]

My pc started as a generic HP desktop back in 2007

[chrome mirage]

I started with an 08 Alienware but the only thing that moved over was the gtx 770 and that was only until my 1660Ti came in. Then I upgraded to a 2080Ti.

My biggest issue now is the motherboard because it has a ton of things broken

[light egret]

Mine was a super slow upgrade lol. First was more ram, then GPU, then added more HDDs, then I swapped mobo/ram/cpu, then after a while I got a new case, then after a while I upgraded gpu again, etc.

lots of time in between

for the longest time the only original part that remained was the CD drive but my most recent case doesn't support CD drives

[chrome mirage]

I've been building this currently PC since 2019

[proud jackal]

wish i had a nice pc

[light egret]

theo post your specs

[proud jackal]

[pliant berry]

i wish my macbook had a fan

[light egret]

🥲

[chrome mirage]

I think I found a pic of Theos pc

[pliant berry]

doesn't have megu can't be

[light egret]

https://www.amazon.com/ICE-COOREL-Aluminum-Adjustable-Notebook/dp/B08TRGT9VZ?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A1GSOVIUUIQCZ6

[pliant berry]

not a fan of cooling pads, but interesting they make it double as a stand

[light egret]

it was a joke. I've never had one that made a real difference lol

but i dont use macbooks so maybe? 🤷

[pliant berry]

looking like a case in a museum holding the jewels, now you just need the security lasers

[chrome mirage]

My mom's old laptop had a dual core Pentium and it would thermal throttle. It was from 2012.

[rancid juniper]

that thermalpaste was mad crusty then

😂

[pliant berry]

sometimes I just press my hand to the chassis and watch the render times go down

[light egret]

yeah I was gonna say, either reapply thermal, or clean out dust, or both

[chrome mirage]

I replaced the paste and it didn't help. The cooler was just bad

[rancid juniper]

oh

[north crescent]

Cooling pads help by lifting the laptop from the surface. So basically just need to get the cheapest pad that is completely mesh. The fans on the cooling pads dont do anything. Can also just prop the laptop up with your phone idk.

[light egret]

I have a macbook air from like 2011 and I got it second hand for 50 buks cause it was about to explode, so I fixed it, and it runs at like, 2 frames per second on the dekstop.

[mortal grail]

Nice steam engine

Heh, geddit?

💀

💀💀💀💀

[rancid juniper]

geddit...

[chrome mirage]

Replaced the thermal paste with thermal grizzly and it was still overheating just from loading windows 8

[mortal grail]

[light egret]

did you try installing windows xp

[somber skiff]

Gotta help roman pay for that gtr

[mortal grail]

I thought that's what EK was for

[rancid juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/aminagifs-gif-25043432

[north crescent]

Which one do you think geddit is: reddit's brother, sister, father, mother, aunt, etc?

[chrome mirage]

I bought 3 tubes of it because I kept misplacing them

[rancid juniper]

reddit's sane cousin

[somber skiff]

kryonaut? for a laptop? Bad idea

[chrome mirage]

I found them all so I just put it on every computer I see.

[somber skiff]

It'll pump out

[mortal grail]

Dry out in 6 months

Ye

[rancid juniper]

thermalright TFX for laptop

[mortal grail]

MX-6 > Almost kryo but no dry out

[rancid juniper]

or honeypot honeywell PTM7950

[somber skiff]

Dumb to use an xoc paste for daily unless you already have it anyway, just get mx4 or something

[mortal grail]

If you want to say you have the best non-conductive

Ye

[chrome mirage]

I used it for like 3 hours then took the laptop to the dump

[mortal grail]

Grand total of like 2C over mx-6

[rancid juniper]

lel

[north crescent]

Think of all the MHz I could get out of 2C

[rancid juniper]

lets see
Used Thermalright TF9 on RX 7800 XT, thermals have been fine for months now
Used MX-6 on 13600k, thermals have been fine aswell

[mortal grail]

I was young once too

[mortal grail]

The cpu will die before the paste anyway

[rancid juniper]

let it go felix...

let it go

[light egret]

I remember getting a 2c and thinking my pc was going to be so much faster

[rancid juniper]

i now realize how crazy the compression is in AV1 codec

[north crescent]

Good for the companies that love streaming 8k at 1 bit per hour

[rancid juniper]

[elfin mural]

I can't use av1 cuz I wanna post vids on discord

[rancid juniper]

sucks that discord cant embed them yet

[elfin mural]

ya

[rancid juniper]

i think same goes for HEVC (h265)

like what?

[elfin mural]

it would be so nice

besides av1 is f r e e

so there's zero excuse

[north crescent]

Lol, as if Discord would ever properly try making their stuff work

[rancid juniper]

mmmmm if you got the hardware yea

[elfin mural]

hevc understandable

[light egret]

fancy words for fancy people

[pliant berry]

yeah I think it would still be a long time before av1 would start to go mainstream.. that is if it ever does

[rancid juniper]

☠️

well atleast all modern cpus moving forward will have some type of AV1 support

[north crescent]

Like seriously, despite having the voice message feature that allows audio file playback on mobile Discord still hasnt allowed audio file playback on mobile, unless you get a third party client and upload an audio file as a voice message.

[elfin mural]

Not for phones yet

[rancid juniper]

intel 11th gen and up supports AV1

lemme check amd

[light egret]

What is av1? like what it do

[elfin mural]

Qualcomm just rebranded a 2019 SOC yet again

[rancid juniper]

new video codec

[elfin mural]

AV1 is another video codec

It's very efficient

[rancid juniper]

can compress better than any other codec but requires newer hardware

[pliant berry]

i wonder if the process times for av1 is as bad as h264/265

[rancid juniper]

AMD Ryzen 6000 and up supports av1

[light egret]

so is it more efficient in that it will transmit higher quality video at lower size?

[rancid juniper]

bingo

[elfin mural]

Exactly

Less file size but same quality

[north crescent]

Or higher quality at same size

[elfin mural]

Very useful with 50mb

[light egret]

neato

[elfin mural]

I tend to upload clips into discord so

[icy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-go-home-gif-8014701427925290953

[north crescent]

Or can technically go middle of the road with higher quality at lower file size. But that makes it sound kinda confusion, should ideally only change one variable when describing the comparison between two things.

[elfin mural]

Messing with bitrates

That's how

[rancid juniper]

it works on my amd gpu (11% on the codec engine)

[light egret]

now will that also be the case for streaming video in like, a zoom setting to eat up less bandwidth?

[elfin mural]

Nah

That's a different thing altogether

Wait, nvm

My brain had a lapse lol

[light egret]

well darn. I keep getting kicked from zoom meetings due to low speeds and such lol

[elfin mural]

ah

I was on the right mind then

[light egret]

I'll get real internet one day

[pliant berry]

compatability with streaming services is pretty limited iirc

[north crescent]

If the program properly supports it, if the sender/receiver has AV1 support in their hardware, and if the program prioritizes having the same quality at a lower bitrate rather than higher quality at the same bitrate, then yes.

[light egret]

Ah so it has to be on both ends. Ok.

[north crescent]

The sender needs AV1 encode support and the receiver needs AV1 decode support

[rancid juniper]

^^^

[light egret]

well people in my zoom meeting are using hardware that I feel like is from the 90s or early 2000s sometimes so I doubt they will be getting that anytime soon lol

would be cool if that became the norm tho.

[rancid juniper]

encoding av1 is very taxing

decoding not so much

[north crescent]

I also get the feeling that Zoom doesnt have AV1 support yet. But idk tho.

[light egret]

i doubt it

I don't really like zoom. It's kinda weird. Also it's paywalled

businesses need to just start discord servers.

[north crescent]

I still havent installed Zoom for the few times I needed it, always go through the browser.

[light egret]

yeah that's what I used to do too. But I had to install it for my class.

[warped crest]

why do i have a squeal on high cpu load? im thinking my pump is screwed on my aio

[pliant berry]

most workplaces I work with use google meet or ms teams for calls

[light egret]

We use zoom and Slack, but discord does both better imo.

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-gotou-hitori-guitar-ぼっち-gif-26979582

[light egret]

I haven't tried google meet and i've only used teams a couple of times very briefly

[warped crest]

?

[north crescent]

Zoom/Slack has their uses for professional stuff, like attendance/minute logging

[pseudo raven]

zoom has some nice functionality with a whiteboard and stuff but paywalled

i do calls from time to time for tutoring and i found google meet the best

no hassle with a client, just one link and it works

[light egret]

But like, even though we are in the same group, zoom gives only a 10 minute time limit to use video chat with another person unless the person who starts the conference is paying for it. Also this may only be in my class, but like it won't let me save the meeting even though its a recurring meeting, I have to reclick the link each time. Just lemme save it.

I didn't know goolge meet was a thing and im suprised we're not using that cause theyre heavy on google in everything else.

[warped crest]

can i get confirmation?

[north crescent]

Could be due to this stuff. gMeet doesnt save chats for a meeting which Zoom does afaik.

[pseudo raven]

its a bit light feature wise but zoom is cluttered imo

[light egret]

could be fan, could be hard drive, could be AIO pump if you have one.

[warped crest]

aio pump is what im thinking

[pseudo raven]

also i was paying for google ai premium which gave me google meet features too

[light egret]

I mean zoom has some great features but it's just also weird and clunky and no one seems to know how to use it properly. Theres a bit to much stuff.

[light egret]

It's hard to say without diggin into the computer and finding where exactly the squeel is coming from. I thought I had a broken hard drive but it turned out hard drive was just unplugged and one of my fans is squeeling.

[north crescent]

Go into BIOS and manually set fan/pump speed until you hear noises. That or get Fan Control to manually set speeds in the OS.

[dusk knot]

Hmm

[light egret]

why have I never thought of that

Would've probably saved me some trouble on my last AIO lol

[north crescent]

Cuz you havent eaten enough cheese to get yellow name

[light egret]

I used to be a techie though. I just stopped being active for years.

[north crescent]

If you eat lots of cheese you become techie

[light egret]

I eat like, nothing but cheese.

[warped crest]

not fans, no hard drives, not aio pump, maybe i have some atrocios coil whine on my vrm?

[light egret]

cheese is life

[warped crest]

mmmm cheese

[proud jackal]

Should i

[light egret]

yes

[warped crest]

it sounds like its a physical thing, cpu isnt overheating as it has 36omm of rad to work with

gpu is fine

[warped crest]

ram is fine

[light egret]

It could just be a fan making some noise

[warped crest]

nope, tested fans

[light egret]

Might be psu with coil whine

[north crescent]

When does sound exist? Like for a few seconds at the start-ish of a load, during the entire load, during specific parts of load, etc?

[warped crest]

that or my vrm

[warped crest]

its like, on high loads (modded minecraft, star citizen, etc) there is this whining noise that doesnt connect with thermals

high pitched

[proud jackal]

Solution, there can be no sound if there is no air, put the PC in the vacuum chamber.

[warped crest]

LOL

[light egret]

😂

[proud jackal]

• TheoAI

[light egret]

theo for techie 2024

[warped crest]

but yeah im thinking its either vrm whine or psu whine

[light egret]

out of curiousity, what psu do you have

[north crescent]

I imagine that is coil whine from mobo VRM, GPU VRM, or PSU.

[warped crest]

rm850x

[worn wave]

Test a cpu only benchmark and see if it whines

That would probably be vrms. A gpu benchmark could rule in/out the gpu. Psu might be a little harder

[warped crest]

well what makes me think its cpu whine is that this is a low end z690 with a 14700 on 5.3 GHZ

didnt happen with the old cpu

but put this one in

presto

coil whine

cpu vrm

sorry

not cpu itsself

[north crescent]

I imagine it's GPU coil whine, but can check PSU with running a constant GPU load and starting/stopping a CPU load, and vise versa with constant CPU load and starting/stopping GPU load. If coil whine varies in both of those tests when it's likely PSU whine.

[warped crest]

well, as soon as i shut off high load it stops

and ive pushed the gpu and have had zero issues

like ive pushed it to max stock clock and it was fine at 100% load

and it doesnt happen with beam which is high ram and vram load

[light egret]

I mean unless you're pushing the limits of the psu I would imagine that, while it might be annoying, I don't think the whine is going to hurt anything. I ran a PSU with coil whine for years and it never failed until our power got knocked out by a lightning strike and I wasn't using a surge protector. Only damage was to the psu though.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong though.

[dusk knot]

Sure

[warped crest]

yeah, its just slightly loud and annoying as hell

but no issues

[light egret]

Just be like me

[warped crest]

as long as the magic smoke isnt coming out

remember

dont let out the magic smoke

[light egret]

if there is magic smoke coming out of your pc, you tell it to share.

[warped crest]

tbh, i just let my pc do its thing, if it effects it ill fix it but this thing has randomly made and stopped making noises that idgaf

[light egret]

lol same.

[warped crest]

adeptus mechanicus vibes lol

machine spirit, let it do its thing

[light egret]

when I thought my hard drive was broken and making a scratching noise, i left it forever. I only looked at it cause I was looking to see what hard drive was what so I could figure things out for converting my boot drive so I could install win 11. Imagine my suprise when the noise couldn't have been my hard drives as both were unplugged

I thought they had just broken

look at this hard drives read and write totals

it should be dead

[warped crest]

yeah its either vrm or psu, and its a buzzing sound, mmmmm coil whine

isnt comeing from gpu

idk

like i said

idgaf

[light egret]

If you play music really loud, it's not there.

[warped crest]

or minecraft

lol

I FOUUUUUND IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

not psu

cpu or gpu, likely gpu as it changes depending where i look

[light egret]

what gpu do you got

[warped crest]

asrock challenger d 6700xt

[light egret]

ah man. It's totally broken. Dont worry you can just send it to me and I'll recycle it for ya. Just send it to 1234 notareal St

[warped crest]

LOL

[light egret]

Iunno if this is good advice, but somone online said you could take it apart and superglue your capacitors together, just barely enough to hold them together, but that will ruin your warranty and again the whine isn't gonna hurt anything.

I'd just leave it alone tbh.

[warped crest]

ye

[light egret]

or you could try undervolting your gpu maybe

[warped crest]

no

[light egret]

yeah i wouldn't either.

but im already deaf, whats a little coil whine

a lot of the info from this class is going in one ear and out the other I swear. How am I supposed to remember all this 😩

[tacit geode]

well my stupid issue is back

my second monitor can be fine for hours

but suddenly acts like you unplugged and plugged it back in

so goes black without disconnection then comes back

ive tried swapping cables

and now im using the cable from my apple tv 4k

and its still happening but i can use the apple tv with it for hours and hours

this all started after moving my stuff to a different room

[storm narwhal]

The vibe is off

[light egret]

do you gots another port on the gpu you can try?

[tacit geode]

i have 3 display port but its a 4k 120hz display

so switching to displayport cuts that down

ill have to fiddle with it tomorrow or somethin

[light egret]

if it has dp 1.4 it should be able to hit 4k 120hz

[lone mango]

I updated discord on my phone and I think it was a mistake

How do i see server members on the right

[light egret]

click at the top

[lone mango]

Wtf

[storm narwhal]

Well at least you can multi window discord mobile without the UI being unusable

[pseudo raven]

if youre on android there are

solutions

actually ios too i think

but its harder

[velvet summit]

You're late to the club

At least you missed the period when they moved dms to a seperate menu

[calm sparrow]

That looked like a nightmare😂

[velvet summit]

Terrible days

[calm sparrow]

Where are you from?

I mean I want to know that how many different people from different countries are there in this

[velvet summit]

In what?

[calm sparrow]

In this server

[velvet summit]

Ah

🇨🇦

[calm sparrow]

Ooo

I am from India

🇮🇳

[velvet summit]

Heard that import tax is pretty bad there

[calm sparrow]

Yeah you're right

[velvet summit]

How bad are PC hardware prices there

[calm sparrow]

Just too high

[velvet summit]

Rip

[calm sparrow]

And they are not easy to get

If you don't think unconscious, I wanna be friend with you

[velvet summit]

I generally don't friend people much

[calm sparrow]

Oh

We Indians think that foriegn people are too much serious

Maybe yes

[mortal grail]

Like the most introverted statement I've seen in ages

[mighty hazel]

[rancid juniper]

mornin nerds

[mortal grail]

Stop talkin to urself

Nerd

[rancid juniper]

myself i talk'nt

[mortal grail]

🇳 🇪 🇷 🇩

Holy crap that took like 99% of my power to type

[mortal grail]

It's joever

I can't type straight anymore wtf

Nerd curse

[icy ore]

Nerds are the goat

[proud jackal]

good thing its pride month

[icy ore]

[proud jackal]

[mortal grail]

I picked a good time yeah

[rancid juniper]

based

[icy ore]

well next to Reese’s they are

tbf mrbeasts feastibles are really good lol

[mortal grail]

Honestly that guy is impressively broke

One day he'll stop and all of a sudden he'll have 30 billion dollars

[elfin mural]

wuh

tdu sc just started crashing now

[icy ore]

Lmao yeah he puts every penny back into his videos

[elfin mural]

wth

this game scuffed as hell

[mortal grail]

Ur scuffed

Turn down to 720p ur fine

[elfin mural]

recent patch broke frame gen too

so im using a program to do that

[mortal grail]

Lmao

[elfin mural]

in menu i can turn it on

[rancid juniper]

did you play the game yet

[elfin mural]

but then it stops working

and the fg tab says

[mortal grail]

No I've been only working

[elfin mural]

"requires nvidia 4000 series gpu"

tf you mean, i have 4050

[rancid juniper]

oof

[rancid juniper]

😂

[mortal grail]

Too pleb for these bugattis

[elfin mural]

racist game

ok i got in

somehow

[safe cape]

They need to make an offline mode

[elfin mural]

Oh hey, I found another broken thing!

Look at objectives

"Reach level 0"
"Reach level 12"

[safe cape]

Lol

[elfin mural]

Make up your mind game

[rancid juniper]

bro found gamebreaking bugs before me

[elfin mural]

lmao

CONNECTION LOST

[rancid juniper]

rip

[elfin mural]

AAAA

[rancid juniper]

i be having those

i dunno what they were thinking when trying to push this online only plan

[elfin mural]

yep

it's so damn broken

[rancid juniper]

like you are a AA developer, do you REALLY have the resources to maintain an online game unlike other big publishers?

[elfin mural]

servers are already suffering

[rancid juniper]

sad to see fr

i dunno if the final release will be any good

[elfin mural]

knowing what tdu 2 has done

i didn't expect much

but god

this is awful

[rancid juniper]

i definitely will share my reports to KT/nacon once this demo playtest is over

[elfin mural]

from awful perf to awful experience

[rancid juniper]

☠️

all other racing games ive played aint taxing like this one

sometimes it would go as low as 43fps (rain + vegetation)

people spotted

[elfin mural]

pls don't crash

pls don't crash

there goes the server

[rancid juniper]

😂

[proud jackal]

https://open.spotify.com/track/14WYmNQWvR2TTWoRp8t9Ml?si=f3a7249c72934f66

[elfin mural]

man

why can't this game work properly for once

[proud jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-hitori-gotou-gif-27076096

[safe cape]

@rancid juniper Forza horizon 6 trailer today ?

[rancid juniper]

WHO KNOWS, but ill be there even though i don't like xbox

[rancid juniper]

Online service moment

[elfin mural]

I give up

Fun turned into pain

I actually kinda enjoyed the game lol

[rancid juniper]

the game is region locked and i believed the EU region is the most stable

use a vpn

[elfin mural]

you can also

switch region on windows

[elfin mural]

that forced a server change

[rancid juniper]

yea was about to tell you that

oh i guess you do know XD

[elfin mural]

asian server was totally broken

but now us is breaking too i guess?

lol

[rancid juniper]

US region is cursed

[elfin mural]

do i want to turn my windows european

[rancid juniper]

always breaking
traffic cars disappearing to the shadow realm
players slowly leaving

[elfin mural]

germany maybe

lol

[rancid juniper]

teadows

[elfin mural]

not uk

do you know which european country is the best for solar crown?

or i just

yolo it and pick any

[rancid juniper]

honestly

either pick france or uk

[elfin mural]

alr

imma be french

better than tea

[rancid juniper]

LMFAO

[elfin mural]

france time

i'll have to start again

but yolo

i hate always online

different saves for different regions

now my windows copilot can speak baguette

wow