storage-devices

[kind sierra]

But microfiche

[blazing musk]

I don't know about you but my home PC can't read that

But it sure as hell speaks Google Drive

[kind sierra]

Lame

[blazing musk]

lol just one example

I'd use backblaze for more critical applications

[kind sierra]

Ya know, I think I still have some old 5.25 inchers from the seventies that are still readable

[blazing musk]

All my floppies demagnetized
Guess I'm not installing Windows 98 or my old printer drivers

[minor sun]

Best solution is to just leave it to backblaze, they're the people figuring out failure rates and endurance and such, just leave the hard work to them and use the service :p

[open gazelle]

I mean neither SSD or HDD can go unmanaged for long term, so tbh both work

[blazing musk]

Yeah neither are ideal for decades long storage

Plus, can you guarantee that you'll be able to read a sata interface at all in 20 years?

It'll probably go the way of PATA

[open gazelle]

Both should be fine in a managed space tho.

[warm moss]

So I removed my nvme and ssd from my pc

Idk if there be any file or login info left behind

[blazing musk]

If you took out all the storage then there's no data that can possibly be stored on it

(except bios data but that doesn't count)

[warm moss]

No at all

[warm moss]

I still don’t

I want to know

But I don’t know how to

[blazing musk]

All that's stored in the bios is basic hardware information, maybe overclocking settings if you messed with that

If you want you can reset the bios to default settings

Should be on the "exit" menu

[warm moss]

I messed up

Where should I go now

[red jay]

is it possible to run a crystal disk mark info scan on them?

[red jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573905132199215107/975359851549061121/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/573905132199215107/975360309139230730/unknown.png

are all these files corrupted?

looks like it

[real lava]

crystaldiskinfo doesn't scan files

it only displays the drive's smart status

and its health

[serene laurel]

No! A cr2 is canons RAW format

They contain all the photo data

Not a junky jpeg

[blazing musk]

Click the thing that says "download and install it now" and it'll get the codec it needs to read RAW files.

[solid hill]

whats the best and cost effective way to store a steam library of a couple TBs or more? just a single HDD of 8 TB or so?

[blazing musk]

That's what I'd do, or two in raid 0

[cyan needle]

I've tried to wrap my brain around raid, but I don't seem to get it.

Is it something that like you combine 2 drives together to act as 1 drive?

[blazing musk]

Yes, and it effectively doubles the speed in raid 0

[red jay]

@blazing musk @serene laurel I had the same CR2 files that were readable lol

those ones in particular wouldnt open

[blazing musk]

What camera exactly are you using? Some of them make weird subformats you need a plugin for

[red jay]

Nikon D700

[serene laurel]

Uhh so you should check your camera settings. I don’t have a Nikon, but from what I understand, cr2 files are canons raw format

And yes, you will need to install a converter in order to use them. I think adobe has a raw converter thingy

[blazing musk]

Indeed, CR2 is called "Canon Raw 2", so idk why a Nikon is using it

[blazing musk]

CR2 is not a file type that camera supports

Maybe try renaming one of them from .cr2 to .nef

[red jay]

Oh that rings a bell

I used a canon to shoot some of those photos previously

then switched to nikon 2 years after all

[blazing musk]

Ok, do you remember which canon?

[red jay]

550D

[blazing musk]

omfg that manual is 260 pages long

I like that it's detailed but... why... the pain...

[red jay]

yeah lol

camera has alot of features designed for beginners

honestly never really read canon manuals

but all of them have hundreds of pages lol

[blazing musk]

Looks like the plugin was discontinued years ago, and Canon Digital Photo Professional is the only way to read the RAW file data and metadata

[red jay]

Hmm

Doesnt really explain why the other CR2 files on ny system can be read

[blazing musk]

Looks like Canon has the software download locked and you need the serial number of the camera to unlock access

[blazing musk]

There's different modes and settings, and maybe those ones are using more standard options but the ones that aren't reading have more metadata

[red jay]

unwanted security features

[red jay]

I'll try this option to see if theres any luck

otherwise the serial number of the camera has already been lost to time and probably a junkyard

[blazing musk]

There's an "express" version of the program you can get for mobile

Idk if you need the serial for that

[red jay]

cant really access my HDD from my phone tho 😂

[blazing musk]

Says who

You can connect a USB device with the right adapter

[red jay]

👀

oh I meant remotely lol

[blazing musk]

Oh you can do that too

Set it up as a shared network folder on Windows and download a samba share app

Or go for filezilla FTP

[red jay]

Those methods use wifi right?

[blazing musk]

They can

[small carbon]

Grabbed a $13 pcie slot adapter and tossed the SN550 into my z77 rig.

[blazing musk]

I was considering doing that too lol. It takes too long to get my server going running on HDDs. A good 8 minutes before I can play a plex video.

[small carbon]

Ah! Someday might have a plex setup. Even this sn550 could maybe turn that 8min statement into 1 minute or less. Since games don't need much over a sata ssd Idk what to do, but no big deal.

[nova dirge]

Heyo, anyone know much about troubleshooting a "alert! Hard drive not found" error message upon booting up a desktop cpu? Doesn't actually boot, just stays black screen with that error message at the top left with 3 options. Need some help there

[kind sierra]

What model drive?

Also what desktop

[nova dirge]

Alright, so I bought a refurbished dell precisión T1700 "gaming" desktop from Newegg back in January with a 1 tb SSD "3D nand hajaan"

[kind sierra]

Do you have the link?

[nova dirge]

Like a link to the ssd or the computer? Or other

[kind sierra]

Both

[nova dirge]

https://www.google.com/search?q=3d+nand+hajaami+solid+state+drive&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwi1rLTMh-X3AhUHmVMKHSrRAWIQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=3d+nand+hajaami+solid+state+drive&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCCEQqwI6BAgeEApQjgdYsR1g0h1oAXAAeAGAAfYBiAHJHZIBBjAuMTguNZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=5s6CYrWhIIeyzgKqooeQBg&bih=725&biw=412&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&prmd=vni#imgrc=_5sGkqVn6Se0SM

https://www.newegg.com/dell-t1700-precision/p/3D5-0002-00B30?Item=9SIAZ8YF972522&utm_medium=TraEmail&utm_source=TEMC-Shipping-New-Delivery-Notification-Responsive-USA&cm_mmc=TEMC-Shipping-New-Delivery-Notification-Responsive-USA-_-9SIAZ8YF972522

Second link is the exact model I bought

[dense merlin]

please return it

[nova dirge]

I think it'd past warranty. Will returning it still be viable?

I bought it back in January

[dense merlin]

no

F

[nova dirge]

Was working fine til just yesterday is the thing

Ah. Well. Guess I still need the help troubleshooting then haha

[blazing musk]

Check for loose cables

[nova dirge]

They seem to be on pretty nice. My trusty friend, Google, keeps hinting at disconnecting and connecting the ssd cables.

Hopefully that's something that tends to work. I've hit a wall in terms of actually fismantelkung the cpu though

Dismantling *

[blazing musk]

Another thing you can do is try to put the SSD in another computer and see if it can read it

If that doesn't work then it's just another case of a cheap SSD dying

[nova dirge]

Damn. If that were the case, would that mean that all the information on the ssd is unrecoverable? Not sure if I have another desktop to try it out on

[blazing musk]

If another computer can't read it then yeah it's probably unrecoverable without an identical drive to swap controllers

[nova dirge]

That seems fair. I'll try the disconnecting and connecting the SSD to see if that works, if not, then I'll bring it to a shop so they can test it out on another desktop to see if it works.
Thanks btw this did help a bit

Alright so I just saw the sata data cable, I can't share photos here but it seems the putter side of that cable is open. It's a black cable, but I can see Grey in one spot. Which I would assume is not good

Hopefully, it's that cables fault

[nova dirge]

Quick question, would it be wise to patch up any open areas with silicone tape? Or best to buy another wire? 🧐🤔

[blazing musk]

Just another wire, if there's any damage to the first there could be more inside you don't see

[nova dirge]

Wise. Alright, new wire it is. Thanks 👍

[kind sierra]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QX6SL2Y?pldnSite=1
The P41 has arrived

[blazing musk]

Reasonably priced for a top tier gen 4 drive too

2TB $260

Or, we presume it's top tier

[kind sierra]

Based off of their announced specs I'd guess it'd outperform the firecuda 530/mp600 pro xt/xs70

[minor sun]

We wait for review now

[small carbon]

[sour wadi]

How much is the 1tb? Amazon doing their stupid thing of hiding price cus i out of country :/

[small carbon]

$150 or $140

[sour wadi]

Seems okay for an s tier drive

Although i never got the point of an s tier 1tb drive when spend like 5$ more and get a 2tb A tier drive

[small carbon]

Agreed. I figure if gen 4 is needed someone would get a 2TB. Does beat 980 pro write speed quite a bit

[cyan needle]

What reason would I need a gen4 drive? I'm just gaming so..

[pallid orchid]

you wouldnt

[cyan needle]

I wouldn't see any significant speed increase in load times and whatnot?

[pallid orchid]

maybe with direct storage, but for now nah

[cyan needle]

Ok

I just really want it because I already have the p31 lol

And this whole computer thing be burning a big crater in my wallet.

[small carbon]

Nah even I almost wish I skipped the S70 Blade and saved $60 by getting a 2nd 970 evo plus. Yolo

[sacred wave]

Im looking to get a large hard drive, 8-16 tb. It’ll be used for storing footage and a few large games. Any recommendations on what I should look for? The cheaper the better
SSD’s are too expensive.

[sour wadi]

What country?

[sacred wave]

Us

[sour wadi]

10tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4FNv6h/toshiba-x300-10-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-hdwr11axzsta
12tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mq66Mp/toshiba-12-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg07aca12te
14tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9gDJ7P/toshiba-14-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg07aca14te
16tb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VGxRsY/seagate-exos-enterprise-x18-16-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st16000nm000j

[sacred wave]

So, I’ve seen Newegg sell NAS and some other types, what type should I be looking for?
Also thanks

[vast kelp]

I've been self-hosting Matrix and Nextcloud on an old laptop board for a couple of years. Given the recent LTT video, I'm definitely in the market for backing up the data on that 4TB HDD that's connected to it.
I'm considering asking a friend to just have a single board computer with another 4TB drive always plugged in, that way I can have a one-time-payment offsite backup. However, Raspberry Pi computers are getting massively scalped here in France. Is there any viable alternative?

[pallid orchid]

old/second hand dell or hp lower end systems should do fine

[vast kelp]

I don't want to hand my friend a huge form-factor desktop though. I was thinking of something small that they can plug in and forget about (they're not super experienced with tech).

[pallid orchid]

some dell vostros are pretty small

[vast kelp]

Oh a laptop?

[pallid orchid]

nah

[pallid orchid]

vostros have a desktop lineup as well

[vast kelp]

ahh I didn't know.

Something like this?
https://www.leboncoin.fr/informatique/2162833003.htm

Seems very affordable.

[pallid orchid]

i would go for something a lil more recent tbh

[vast kelp]

I'm not familiar with the lineup. Any search terms to look out for?

[pallid orchid]

whats the budget? ill take a looksie on the site

[vast kelp]

Oh thanks! It's in French though :P

Just looking for something I can convince my parents to buy. Ideally we want to beat $240/yr which is Backblaze's cost, which shouldn't be hard to sell.

[pallid orchid]

i speak a little dw

[vast kelp]

But as it's an off-site backup I would prioritize size and not-ugliness vs performance.

[pallid orchid]

ok defi doable

[vast kelp]

yeah haha

This would include the 4TB drive to back up onto.

Come to think of it, I probably would need more than that. Matrix is hosted on the 500GB SSD :/

Nah I'll just tell them to only use 3.5TB on Nextcloud. We're way under that.

[pallid orchid]

https://www.leboncoin.fr/informatique/2163309188.htm
theres the pc

[vast kelp]

niiice 6th gen i3

Thank you! I'll send it to my parents.

[pallid orchid]

https://www.amazon.fr/Red-Disque-dur-interne-NAS/dp/B07MYL7KVK

u can fit a 6tb drive in as well

or a 4tb one and a 500gb sata ssd

for os and stuffs

[vast kelp]

Could run the OS off of the included drive.

Probs Arch or Fedora since Ubuntu Server has been a huge pain.

[pallid orchid]

yep

its got 2 sata ports as far as i can see

[ocean berry]

Hey everyone! Looking for some help with cloning my nvme to a 4tb. Can someone recommend a hub that can handle a 4tb? Or just as a hypothetical, if i were to take out the current one(2tb) and put in the 4tb, would i be able to use a hub with the 2tb limit to do a reverse clone onto the 4tb that way?
thanks for any help provided!

[pallid orchid]

are they m.2 drives or sata?

[ocean berry]

m.2

[pallid orchid]

what motherboard u got?

[ocean berry]

MSI x570 gaming plus, i'm using both slots at the moment

[pallid orchid]

which drive is the operating system on?

and do u have an external drive?

2tb or more

hard drive works

[ocean berry]

i have a, 1 tb as my bootdrive and another as my storage for art and games, i'm looking to upgrade my second drive to a 4tb, but i'm looking for solutions on how to do so

not looking for HD's or SSD's i already have an nvme i'm planning on purchasing

[pallid orchid]

ok but do u already have an external hard drive or something

@ocean berry

[ocean berry]

No

[pallid orchid]

U in the US yeah?

[ocean berry]

yes

[pallid orchid]

the new drive and the old drive are nvme m.2 drives yeah?

not m.2 sata?

[ocean berry]

Both are M.2 Nvme

[pallid orchid]

ok cool

[ocean berry]

including the soon to be replacement

[pallid orchid]

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Type-C-Tool-Free-Enclosure-EC-SNVE/dp/B08RVC6F9Y

@ocean berry

that will allow you to use the old ssd as an external drive as well

also use a program called macrium reflect to clone old drive onto the new one

[ocean berry]

Sweet! I was having compatibility issues with all the hubs i've found that had max 2tb support. Thanks for the help!

I got it from here

[steady talon]

I’m looking to get a new SSD to use with my desktop for now then in a few months transfer over to my laptop (Asus Scar 17), I need it to be at least 1TB and pcie4 would be preferable if my laptop can support it, I still need to check that out

Also how does the Intel 670P compare to other SSDs?

Looking at benchmarks it seems to beat out the P31 and 980 pro in some benches but I’m not sure how accurate they are

I’m looking at anandtech’s review on it

[minor sun]

From anandtech, dunno about it beating p31 lol

[minor sun]

For pcie 4.0 drives, until we get p41 reviews, xs70 and s70 blade are nice

[blazing musk]

EX950 representing on that chart
Too bad they don't make them any more, I really like mine.

[small carbon]

Doing well or not, 670p is still qlc & lower tbw than 970 evo plus for example. @minor sun I guess p31 is obviously beat in some things. This I don't mind since I didn't get one. plus, 970 evo plus is probably good for all my power outages until I get a UPS.

[kind sierra]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/sk-hynix-pcie-4-ssd-record-breaking-random-speeds
More data!

Saturates the bus with sequential reads

Not much besides that

[small carbon]

Hitting 7GBps read isn't crazy, but at least the 6.5GBps write is supposedly quite a bit higher than 980 pro w/ 5.1GBps, but we'll see how they do.

[steady talon]

So back to my original question, should i just get a P31 for my laptop or is there anything better?

and how can i check if i can use a PCie 4.0 ssd in my laptop?

[kind sierra]

What CPU do you have

[steady talon]

5900HX

[small carbon]

Gen 3 or not, p31 is a great choice (especially for a laptop). Cooler & definitely more power efficient than most others. Any gen 4 would also likely be warmer and/or higher wattage.

[kind sierra]

Only gen 3

I second p31

[sacred wave]

Opinions: buy or pass

https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?item=N82E16820331417&cm_sp=Dailydeal_SS-_-20-331-417-_-05192022

[dense merlin]

good drive

[sacred wave]

Good price for it or no

[dense merlin]

yes

normally $80

[blazing musk]

MP33 is one of the better budget tier drives

[sacred wave]

Also what about this hdd

https://www.newegg.com/toshiba-mg07aca12te-12tb/p/1B0-0011-000E7?item=1B0-0011-000E7

[dense merlin]

x400

or is it the x300

[blazing musk]

It's neither

[sacred wave]

I have no idea

[blazing musk]

Spend the extra $20 on this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RjdxFT/toshiba-x300-12-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-hdwr21cxzsta

[upper quiver]

10TB has a promo code

[blazing musk]

Ooh not bad at all

[sacred wave]

Anything bad about the ssd I sent and the hdd you sent?

[blazing musk]

No

[small carbon]

Clicked on the pcpp link on my phone & switching hdd sizes did this:

[blazing musk]

Just means they've gotten a lot of requests from your IP and they're making sure you're human, it's DDoS protection

[sacred wave]

That happens to me all the time

[small carbon]

Ok. Weird though. 1st time I went to pcpp in the past few hrs. Good thing for extra browsers though. 👍

[blazing musk]

ISPs tend to use shared addresses for their customers and use NAT to direct traffic, so if other people in your area are using the site too it can read as all the same people.

Cell providers especially

[small carbon]

Ah who knows. No prob. Tried different broswer but it was quick anyways. $177ish 10TB is pretty good.

[ruby verge]

I need some advice. I upgraded my laptop a few years ago from two Samsung SM951 256GB drives to two Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB Samsung drives.

I have been thinking for years about buying this for my old Samsung NVME drives so I can use them on my laptop (none of our desktops have USBC/TB3 ports):
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B082HQM642

but now I'm wondering if I should just buy this so I can use it on anything with USB3/4 and or TB3/4:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yottamaster-Enclosure-Up-Enclosure-Compatible-Thunderbolt/dp/B08PKDVSYZ

I know my old drives are compatible with the first one but can't find anything to say they're compatible (or not) with the USB4 enclosure.
Yottamaster have other enclosures which support USB3 with built in fans, which I like the idea of but I like the speed and broader compatibility, but if there's other brands that are better I'm open to suggestions.

[pallid orchid]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Type-C-Tool-Free-Enclosure-EC-SNVE/dp/B08RVC6F9Y

functionally the same

pretty much no difference in performance

[ruby verge]

I thought 3.2x2 was still only 20Gbps?

And 3.2 gen 1 is 10Gbps

[pallid orchid]

wont make a difference really

[ruby verge]

Not for SATA drives no. It does a bit for NVMe.

[pallid orchid]

wont make a difference really

[ruby verge]

I like Sabrent's new docking station but I really dislike that you cannot put your own drives into it.

[pallid orchid]

especially not 150 pounds worth of difference

what laptop u got btw

[ruby verge]

I mean, assuming max theoretical write speed of 1550MB/s for the SM951, that equates to 12,400Mbps = 12.4Gbps

Max read speed is theoretically 2150MB/s. Which equates to 17,200Mbps =17.2Gbps.

Theoretically more than you can take from the basic Sabrent enclosure.

[pallid orchid]

i mean ur not gonna notice the difference really

its not worth 140 pounds

and those speeds are only sequential

so unless ur copying files over like 5gb in size each only, its not gonna matter

[ruby verge]

My laptop is an XMG U716. A few years old now. CPU is an i7 6700k slightly overckocked to ~4.2-4.4GHz depending on core load, 64GB 2400MHz DDR4 (manually downloaded to 2133MHz because I was getting BSOD's), GPU is a 180W GTX980 with 8GB VRAM. 17" G-Sync 1080p 75Hz display.

[pallid orchid]

thats got a usb 3.1 port

[ruby verge]

Yes. This also does TB3.

Which should be capable of 40Gbps

Assuming it has all the lanes and isn't restricted to 20Gbps.

[pallid orchid]

or 16gbps

which is also thunderbolt 3 iirc

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thunderbolt-Certified-Tool-Free-Enclosure-EC-T3NS/dp/B08FT59SB6
Either way half the price and just as good (tb3)

the 2 enclosures you linked are a waste

[ruby verge]

Do Sabrent have anything with both TB3 and USB 3?

[pallid orchid]

yes

[ruby verge]

The last one you linked is TB3 only

[pallid orchid]

nope

tb3 is built on top of usb 3.1

[ruby verge]

Nope.

[pallid orchid]

you cant have support for one without the other

[ruby verge]

They use the same USB C port but entirely different protocols

[pallid orchid]

The standard literally inclused usb 3.1 tho lol

[ruby verge]

Lol no

[pallid orchid]

https://www.thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all

yes

[ruby verge]

No. USB 3.1 is not the same as Thunderbolt 3

[pallid orchid]

never said it was

just said its a part of the tb3 standard

[ruby verge]

Right but you cannot take a TB3 device and plug it into a USB3.1 port and expect it to work

[pallid orchid]

yes because usb 3.1 isnt a port

usb a or usb c are ports

thunderbolt and usb 3.1 just use these ports

[ruby verge]

🤦

[ruby verge]

Yes, this is true. But as I said the protocols are different.

[pallid orchid]

i agree

tb3 includes usb 3.1 tho

[pallid orchid]

I trust the people who made the protocol a lot more than amazon listing lmfao

https://www.thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all

read

[ruby verge]

It should yes. But I cannot take a TB3 enclosure and plug it into a USB 3 A type socket with a Y cable for extra power. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[pallid orchid]

why do u need extra power?

[ruby verge]

Not ALL USB C ports on computers support TB3.

That's their point.

[pallid orchid]

its just gonna run at usb 3.1 spec

on any non thunderbolt 3 compliant port

[ruby verge]

3.3V at 2.2A is 7.6W

[pallid orchid]

yes and?

[ruby verge]

USB 3.0 type A ports were originally limited to 900mA which is 4.5W.

[pallid orchid]

so they arent doing thunderbolt speeds lmfao

they doing usb 3.1 speeds

anyway do what u want i have more important things to do than arguing with people

[ruby verge]

And what makes you think it won't need to draw more than 900mA at 5V?

[pallid orchid]

https://www.thunderbolttechnology.net/blog/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-does-it-all
This is official specification for thunderbolt 3 by the people who designed the standard

if u scroll u will see support for usb 3.1 listed in the features

If amazon listing is ur source of info and not official spec, thats on you

[ruby verge]

I mean, the official website also says that Thunderbolt 3 compatibility with a USB C 3.1 port is not guaranteed (https://www.thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq) and depends entirely on its implementation.

Can I connect a Thunderbolt™ device to a USB computer port?
For full compatibility a Thunderbolt™ device should be plugged into a Thunderbolt computer port. Some functionality may be available over a USB-C port depending on its implementation, but cannot be guaranteed.

I agree that a standard USB 3.1 device will work on a Thunderbolt 3 port. I never disagreed on that. But if something says "Thunderbolt 3 only" you can't take it for a fact that it will be "fine" on a USB C 3.1 port just because the official spec for TB3 includes USB C 3.1.

[kind sierra]

The cheap ones will need thunderbolt, and that looks like one of the cheap ones

It's basically just a passive adapter

Which means the speed will probably be limited to 1.5 GBps or so

Still more than enough for pretty much any gen 3 drive in a realistic use case

[blazing musk]

If it's a PCIe device that requires PCIe lanes to function like a GPU or NVMe drive then it won't work over standard USB 3.1

However you can connect any USB compliant device into a port supporting thunderbolt.
Also thunderbolt is included in the new USB 4.0 spec.

[pallid orchid]

Huh wierd mb

[mental plaza]

I've been prepping to get a SATA SSD and only just realized my laptop battery took up the space for said ssd

anyone know a fast ssd that can survive a 100C laptop?

[blazing musk]

Any SSD can survive a 100C laptop

In fact the NAND likes to be nice and warm

[mental plaza]

so if I get a WD, you're telling me it won't breach 100C

cause im scared itll burn

[blazing musk]

Not even close

Unless it's directly in contact with the CPU heat pipes there's no way the SSD will get that hot. Most run around 40C during transfers, maybe 60 worst case.

And even if it did because you pointed a heat gun at it, you still wouldn't kill it

[mental plaza]

good to know!

now i gotta pick between samsung or a faster ssd

[blazing musk]

What kind of slot do you have? M.2 or sata?

[mental plaza]

only an m.2

[blazing musk]

Full length 2280?

[mental plaza]

yeah

[blazing musk]

What capacity

[mental plaza]

not quite sure

[blazing musk]

1TB have been around $80 lately, 2TB $150

[mental plaza]

people have been telling me to grab a 2tb

might as well

anyone know if Acer makes good ssds?

[real lava]

no

there's none

[mental plaza]

there is one

[real lava]

you don't need to get an ssd that matches the brand of the laptop

any works

[blazing musk]

There's a few what are you talking about

They even have a S tier

[real lava]

huh, there's good acer ssds?

[mental plaza]

they hit 6000mbs

[real lava]

okay, i haven't been catching much on acer stuff

[blazing musk]

Acer Predator GM7000 - S
Acer Predator GM3500 - B
Acer FA100 - C

[blazing musk]

What were you planning to use the laptop for?

[mental plaza]

i wanted to get games like forza, COD, battlefield, other AAA games

I already have 512gb

[blazing musk]

Easy choice then https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZQ97H3W

[mental plaza]

slow in my opinion

[blazing musk]

Gamers don't need the highest end stuff, they need good random read/write speeds

You'll never use the full read speed when gaming, ever. Not until more games support Direct Storage in 8 years.

[mental plaza]

that?

[blazing musk]

Rated specs are useless to look at

[mental plaza]

hm

[blazing musk]

Everyone measures them differently

[mental plaza]

ill keep looking

i like SP, but there are some good sales coming up

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

C tier is for gamers, any higher and you're looking at more workstation focused stuff like video editing

[cyan needle]

Oh. I wonder why I got a p31 then. Maybe it was on sale.

[kind sierra]

Because you'll still get better performance

[blazing musk]

Yeah, instead of an 11 second load time you'll get a 10.5 second load time.

And yes there was pretty good p31 sales last year

[small carbon]

Great "random" specs. When it was $92/TB, so worth it.

[urban glade]

I need storage for my games

should I get a ssd?

[minor sun]

If your budget allows for it, sure, why not.

[urban glade]

What's a good one I can pick up from the store?

[minor sun]

What's your budget?

[urban glade]

like 80-120

[minor sun]

If you can just order something,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XHMBQK3

[urban glade]

Is that one fast?

And will load my games quick

[urban glade]

thank you

[small carbon]

We'll ignore listing saying 1800/1500 is 5x the speed of a sata ssd, but don't worry about it. (edit: those are 500MB/S or so.

[real lava]

any nvme ssds that are decent enough won't have issues loading games

[small carbon]

Neither will a sata ssd tbh, just can't help seeing that statement in the "about item". We'll be rockin when direct storage is really a thing. Load times? Will be even shorter

[real lava]

ye

It's funny how around 1500 MB/s is claimed to be 5 times faster

But if directstorage comes, the need for nvme is gonna be even more obvious tbh

Cause by then load times and perf will be an impact with a better drive

[small carbon]

Oh for sure. Gonna be interesting how .1/1% lows are improved or something.

[real lava]

HDD is probably gonna become obsolete

That makes me kinda scared

Cause HDDs are cheap mass storage

[small carbon]

Eh direct storage won't change how useful hdds are for holding 3-4x what an ssd can (per $)

[real lava]

true

[small carbon]

I'm still tempted to "replace" all my old hdds w/ basically 1 hdd that's 4-8TB then wipe em all & maybe recycle some.

[real lava]

I just want a 1tb ssd

Or better yet, 2tb

But I also just wanna focus on getting a better laptop first

[split escarp]

Mine 10-90

[proven niche]

sn750 or sn750se the se is cheaper right now

[olive wadi]

depends on your specific use case

the SE is a newer more burst focused drive, and isn't really related to the SN750 at all, SN750s only real advantage is sustained seq write performance which primarily benefits more niche use cases

i'd compare the SN750SE to the SN570 pricewise before buying either

or if you're in the USA and looking at 1tb just buy this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Y6YLrH/team-mp34-1-tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4001t0c101

[proven niche]

looking for a boot drive thatll probably also have a few of my most used apps on and then im going to get a 2tb nvme for games

[dense merlin]

just make that one drive

you dont need to have two seperate ones

[olive wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nMGxFT/patriot-vpn100-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-vpn100-2tbm28h

[past grail]

Who selling 64GB/s drives for pcie5

My 1 GB/s are to slow for xbox series x

Someone been drinking

[kind sierra]

Are you still looking for an answer or did you get it figured out?

[small carbon]

64 Gbit*/s

[urban glade]

Hey are m.2 screws important?

I don’t know where mine is

[minor sun]

If it comes down to it, you can get away with taping down the drive tempoarily

[urban glade]

Take it down?

I mean

I have this cover for it

Do I still need to tape it down with this

[small carbon]

If that cover has it's own screw(s), use that.

[urban glade]

Ok lol

That worked

Do I have to remove the deal?

Seal*

[small carbon]

That film w/ all the black writing on it, yep. That's so the thermal tape & heat spreader work better even if the ssd you use isn't warm.

[urban glade]

Got it thank you

[past grail]

Still looking https://www.intel.ca/content/www/ca/en/products/details/memory-storage/optane-memory/optane-memory-h10-solid-state-storage.html found this but only pcie3 might try it.

[regal thistle]

so basciy on my ssd and hdd i am moving over all my games and i moved over all the games and this was a while ago and it still says there is massive amounts of storage on the files any clue how to find out what it is?

when i click on apps and features wich says 207gb it only comes up with 1 game that takes up around 30gb

[kind sierra]

How much space do you want and what's your budget?

[past grail]

Love lots of space no set budget just shopping to see what I get get options.

https://www.asus.com/ca-en/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/Accessories/HYPER-M-2-X16-CARD-V2/ these must be interesting to use

I don't think I have built many over the 40Gbps yet.

[past grail]

128Gbps usb sticks with 4 nmve cards maybe I need that on laptops next.

[kind sierra]

@past grail what is the drive for again?

[past grail]

I'm looking at razer asrock 690z motherboard

[kind sierra]

So for a PC? What will you use the PC for?

[past grail]

Everything

[kind sierra]

Define everything

Because my idea of everything is probably very different from yours

[past grail]

Well not sure if I can use it I will only small cpu so no 1000 Customer loads. But anything I can use it for from ftp servers for a small website and streaming gaming. I'm wondering about stream in local city to steam deck and how many customers with little 16 core cpu.

Them pictures editing and unreal engine 5.0 development

[kind sierra]

As in running your own game streaming service?

[past grail]

Yes well not me I don't do servers running anymore. Other mostly do that for me but small groups yes like move theater full of people using steam deck as controller

[kind sierra]

Why not just get a steam controller for that?

[past grail]

Maybe 32 to 64 players

[kind sierra]

No way that's going to happen on the 12900k

I don't think even dual socket epyc would have the bandwidth for that

[past grail]

We it should be OK stream to small groups even if only one 10 gb nic

[kind sierra]

I doubt it

[past grail]

I setup others with a lot
Less power but that's older games like to xbox 360 setup was newest system. You can stream to a few if you use all 10 gb of nic but just stay off internet that upload cost will kill you.

We try on two 2.5 gb nic but software supports sucked bad for two one was a lot better.

[kind sierra]

64 people streaming games from a single system you're going to want at least 64 cores, 512GB of ram, and some crazy config with GPU that I don't even want to think about

What would the purpose of that even be?

[past grail]

And the nic had chip for 10 gbps but only wire for 1 gbps had to add wires

Get new firmware software

[kind sierra]

If you have that many people connecting just set up some sort of cluster

[past grail]

Well I'm wondering what I can fit into mini case that fits in motor cycle bag. Micro easy to move on bike but mini case give more options

Like setup up driver in movies theater any place

That's fun.

[kind sierra]

Every node maybe something like a 12 code xeons or epyc with 32 GB of ram and dual GPU. Set up two VMs and run pcie passthrough to a GPU for each VM. Then take a good managed gigabit switch with maybe 10GbE uplink, probably would want more, and run a vlan from a management node to handle people connecting

32 nodes plus the management node and additional hardware, could probably get it to fit in a single rack

I'd estimate TCO of 150-200k

It would not fit on a motorcycle

[past grail]

I'm more mini/Mico sizes I wonder what it cost factory to make fit in mini/micro size range hmmmm. I know they have gone from a full size room computer to full size pc case build for customers. Room looked empty.

They were only like 8 feet by 8 feet rooms for one pc when they first built it.

I think new laptops need pcie5 slot so I can plug in 4 extra nmve cards making support 6 of them. Just because 6 is great number.

I be asking factory why not.

Well one day I'm guessing

Well I'm off to dream about crazy setups thanks for information

[kind sierra]

Uh

Things don't really work that way

[real lava]

Just cause it has pcie 5, it automatically doesn't mean it allows for more m.2 nvme slots

It has to have enough lanes of it

[minor sun]

it almost seems like we'll have less

24 PCIe 5.0 lanes from CPU on Zen 4, has to be for 2 PCIe slots and a NVMe slot

it can't even be x16/x8/x4

not enough lanes

more likely x8/x8/x4 or x16/x4/x4

[sour wadi]

Is there any reviews on the new crucial p3/p3 plus?

[real lava]

oof

less lanes?

honestly i'd rather have pcie 4.0 if that's the case lol

[past grail]

Well I only get one and I never looked but could be shared with others. I know they like to do that with usb caused lots of court cases.

[blazing musk]

Chipset lanes will be 5.0 by all indications, except on lower tiers. 5.0 x8+x8 is more than enough for 2 GPUs, even if the "double performance" claims next gen to also mean "double bandwidth required".

[minor sun]

Was refering to this for the 24 lanes

[blazing musk]

Yeah that graphic was really vague and probably doesn't account for PCIe lanes since it'll vary by chipset

[upper quiver]

total platform IO seems to suggest cpu+chipset

so essentially the theoretical maximum

[blazing musk]

It would suggest that, but also doesn't line up with what they also said about CPU lanes previously

[upper quiver]

oh they said 24 cpu lanes?

[blazing musk]

Previous reports have said 28 5.0 lanes from the CPU total, minus 4 for interconnect

[upper quiver]

yeah, that would make sense

oh but with x670 extreme, it sounds like the chipset will be capable of delivering 5.0 lanes to other slots as well

which should technically increase that theoretical max

[blazing musk]

Exactly, they'll have the M.2 and other slots at 5.0 as well

[upper quiver]

they couldnt possibly bring 24 additional lanes right off the chipset, could they?

but those 24 are also for "graphics and storage" not "everything"

[blazing musk]

Including the ones for USB 4.0 and other devices or no?

[upper quiver]

taking the term total platform io to be strictly talking about the chipset only

theres no way

has to be cpu+chipset

[blazing musk]

Well X570 had 20 lanes available to users after accounting for USB and other I/O

[upper quiver]

regardless of what the interconnect may consist of

was that 4.0?

[blazing musk]

Yes that was 4.0

[upper quiver]

i see

[blazing musk]

24 5.0 lanes wouldn't be too hard if they pulled that off

[upper quiver]

yeah, why they couldnt have just gone with x690 is beyond me

lol

[blazing musk]

Or X675 or something

I can understand why no X690, it would sound like an Intel chipset

[upper quiver]

or literally anything we could easily standardize

its fine, no consumer seeking help here at least needs that much pcie 5.0, so b650 it is

[blazing musk]

At least we don't see any indication of chipset fans on the X670E boards they revealed

That was a major reason I told people to go B550 over X570

[upper quiver]

for sure

[blazing musk]

If that fan fails, and it does, you have to RMA the whole board and take your build apart

[upper quiver]

definitely using a smaller lithography for these chips

chipset fans wack

[blazing musk]

Yep, X570 was on the old 14nm process

Definitely a newer process would be better

[upper quiver]

and cooler

[blazing musk]

Oddly enough the X570 chipset appears to be repurposed CPU I/O dies

[upper quiver]

really

never heard that one

[blazing musk]

I was not aware of that myself, checking the source on that one for sure

[upper quiver]

no wonder it needed a fan lol

[blazing musk]

Oh well coming straight from Dr. Cutress
https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1138443875154944000

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

So for clarity:

Rome large IO die = GF 14nm
Matisse small IO die = GF 12nm
X570 Chipset = Matisse IO die on GF 14nm

That's right. The X570 chipset is the same floorplan as the Matisse IO die, but with diff chicken bits enabled/disabled. AMD has good reuse of chips

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[upper quiver]

fun

[minor sun]

Dr Ian Cutress is op

[open gazelle]

That do be some pretty cool reuse stuff

[minor sun]

gotta do something with it

[real lava]

wew

some cool reuse

[safe torrent]

I've got a WD black M.2 NVME drive that I had partitioned a while back, but I just recently reset my computer and now it wont show in partitions. It does show in BIOS, registry and a NVME dashboard. Can anyone help me figure out how to make it visible to partitions?

[blazing musk]

Reset the computer how? The OS? The bios/cmos?

[safe torrent]

OS

[blazing musk]

Ok, if you open disk management (right click the start button) does it show the drive and partitions?

[safe torrent]

You know what I think it may have renamed itself to my other disk drive. I just disconnected my original D drive and rebooted and the D drive is still there along with te NVME but not the disk drive anymore

Idk how that happened but I think it might be ok

[cinder lantern]

Anyone know of anything called a self leveling bracket for hard drives?

[blazing musk]

That seems incredibly excessive for a hard drive

[real lava]

^

[small carbon]

hdds can be sideways and/or upside down afaik. main thing is having them "secured" so their actual vibrations don't mess up em or something.

[blazing musk]

They have vibration sensors that trigger the read/write arms to unload to avoid damage anyway

But yeah if it's not in a bracket at all then it'll shorten the life span

[graceful rover]

Question, how much should 4tb hard drive cost?

[blazing musk]

HDD? Probably like $75 for a good one

When they're on sales of course

No good sales right now that I see with a quick look

[graceful rover]

Good deal or nah?

4tb for $60

[blazing musk]

Eh, good for a cold storage drive but not really if you want to put games on it

[graceful rover]

Its for gaming clips haha

[blazing musk]

Clips are fine

[graceful rover]

wdym by cold storage drive?

[blazing musk]

Think of it like a deep freezer. You don't really go into it much but you expect everything to still be good when you need it.

[graceful rover]

ohhh that's actually a great analogy

so u dont think it would negatively affect my clips?

[blazing musk]

Typically things like music, videos, and stuff like that which you don't need to access at high speed are perfectly happy on a 5400 RPM drive

So yes clips should be fine

[graceful rover]

Are internal hard drives overall better than external hard drives?

[blazing musk]

In some ways

External are really good if you don't access the data much, like a backup drive

[graceful rover]

How exactly are the internal hard drives installed and is it an easy process to put one in?

[pallid orchid]

hard drives are called "hard" drives because they are difficult to work with when loading off them

[graceful rover]

Yeah I kinda wanna have it there

[pallid orchid]

ok bye

[blazing musk]

It's pretty simple to install a hard drive, just put it in the bracket and attach power and data cables. Other end of data goes to the motherboard.

[pallid orchid]

So its just 2 cables, one to motherboard and one to power supply
just explained this to someone else today

[graceful rover]

I appreciate it :)

[blazing musk]

Oh and when you install it for the first time you'll need to open Windows disk management to initialize and format the drive so you can use it

[graceful rover]

ohhh okay

Will I have to take much of my pc apart to do this

[blazing musk]

Nah usually just the side panels to access the drive bay and motherboard

[graceful rover]

Original Price: $165
Current Price: $95
Is this worth it?

[blazing musk]

NAS drives aren't good for PCs

[graceful rover]

how come?

[blazing musk]

They're designed for endurance with constant reading and writing. The read/write arms aren't designed for the frequent loading and unloading that a PC does.

[graceful rover]

ohhhh so not worth it?

[blazing musk]

Nah

[graceful rover]

Able to link a good hard drive for my pc with 4tb for a good price? I'm a noob with technology and I need more storage for clips haha

[blazing musk]

That 4TB blue drive you had before looks to be the best deal currently, $15 per TB is great

[graceful rover]

Fr?

[blazing musk]

Yeah you can typically expect around $18-20 per TB

[graceful rover]

Dang

Yeah I’m thinking of buying it

[blazing musk]

Maybe this one too, not as high reputation but should be faster https://www.newegg.com/seagate-constellation-es-3-st4000nm0033-4tb/p/N82E16822178307

[graceful rover]

Looks a bit iffy. I'll check into it

[blazing musk]

Yeah seagate drives are hit or miss

The low end ones at least

[graceful rover]

So blue is the better option?
Blue = 4TB, Red = 6TB

[blazing musk]

Yeah I'd say blue is the better for your uses

[graceful rover]

Thank you! I appreciate your help a bunch

[sour wadi]

You should add to github so would be good to pin

[pallid orchid]

okay

[pallid orchid]

ill do tomorrow

add better pics

[waxen flame]

for gaming is there a need for a PCIe Gen 4 or the PCIe Gen 3 is good enough as i noticed the gen 4 have almost double the read speeds for $50 more

[dense merlin]

gen 3 is fine for gaming

you wont see a diff with gen 4

id recc the mp33, or p31 if going highish end

[graceful rover]

whats a good RPM for internal HD

[dense merlin]

5400 for longevity, 7200 for performance

if youre using it for your main drive, get an ssd

[graceful rover]

nah just for clips & videos

higher rpm = better ?

[kind sierra]

Faster but louder and more power hungry

[real lava]

louder is barely noticeable imo

[graceful rover]

what is a good interface?

[kind sierra]

Agreed

[real lava]

i'd rather take 7200 any day

[kind sierra]

Not sas

All others will work

[graceful rover]

for storing videos

alright

should I avoid any of these for internal HDs?

[kind sierra]

Avoid goharddrive

[graceful rover]

what about this stuff

does cache matter

[kind sierra]

Not really

[graceful rover]

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-constellation-es-3-st4000nm0033-4tb/p/N82E16822178307?Item=9SIAMKCJ997472&quicklink=true
or
https://www.newegg.com/wd40ezaz-14tb/p/1Z4-0002-01CG2?Item=1Z4-0002-01CG2

i'm not worried about price

[kind sierra]

Take a look at the Toshiba X300 if you aren't too worried about price

[graceful rover]

i meant i'm not worried about the price between the two 😭

[kind sierra]

Oh

How often are you planning on writing data to the drive

[graceful rover]

I take clips during gaming sessions like every 2 days

[kind sierra]

Okay

That's probably right on the border of wanting to avoid SMR

[graceful rover]

wait why

[kind sierra]

Your motherboard doesn't have a sas connector

[graceful rover]

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-constellation-es-3-st4000nm0033-4tb/p/N82E16822178307?Item=9SIAMKCJ997472&quicklink=true is this good or nah

[dense merlin]

someone else can correct me if im wrong, but id go with this

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9wVmP6/western-digital-wd-blue-4-tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd40ezaz

[kind sierra]

SMR, but should be fine for the use case

[graceful rover]

5400 tho

[kind sierra]

That's fine

[mental plaza]

I need an opinion on which to grab

https://www.amazon.com/XPG-2TB-GAMMIX-Blade-AGAMMIXS70B-2T-CS/dp/B093DP3X4H/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=TVuSj&pf_rd_p=bbb6bbd8-d236-47cb-b42f-734cb0cacc1f&pf_rd_r=FS5P55SEW5X206C5HJQQ&pd_rd_r=1a8bc8b0-3161-4bec-9380-251d2d3cbbd5&pd_rd_wg=YYMVB&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mi&th=1

or

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Plus-PCIe-NAND-6600MB/dp/B098WL46RS/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1W84TRD0RDUOG&keywords=crucial+p5+plus&qid=1653798187&s=electronics&sprefix=crucial+p5+plu%2Celectronics%2C115&sr=1-3

im installing it on a laptop that gets hot fairly fast

[small carbon]

Need gen 4 at all ? @mental plaza Laptop = Hynix P31 is my 1st choice. Also it does beat some gen 4 drives in some ways. Great overall performance even if it's gen 3.

[mental plaza]

is it fast? since its memorial day i want the best possible, both standard speed and other performance

oh...buying a 6000mbps drive is stupid aint it

[minor sun]

For a laptop, I'd just grab a p31 for now, higher chance a e18 drive will heat up and the controller might throttle since it's a laptop and a small form factor without dedicated cooling for the NVMe drive

[mental plaza]

aight thanks! I am concerned with thermal performance but no one else talks about it

[minor sun]

People do thermal testing, but this would be on an open air bench so the temps and results would be a lot better than if you put it in the middle of a hot laptop
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/adata-xpg-gammix-s70-blade-2-tb/7.html

[mental plaza]

holy #### the Hynix P31 is cool

yeah thanks, i think thats a good deal

[minor sun]

You're welcome

[split escarp]

i have 800 gb in my mac book

[unborn scarab]

so I got a 980 pro m.2 ssd and was thinking I was going to put the OS on it, what else should I put on it?

[blazing musk]

980 pro is intended for extremely heavy use cases like 8k video editing and massive open world unreal engine development

[unborn scarab]

I was depressed and blew half my paycheck, I don't do super heavy stuff

[blazing musk]

In other words, it'll do anything you want it to. If you put games on it they'll load in 8 seconds instead of 9.

[unborn scarab]

I have resorted to commodity consumption to quench my desire for dopamine

[next wharf]

Im currently looking for a ssd or hdd for my laptop and im not sure which one to shill out to. ive thought about getting this https://www.newegg.com/1tb-wd10spsx-black/p/1Z4-0002-017H9

[blazing musk]

An SSD would completely crush that

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073SBQMCX

[kind sierra]

https://youtu.be/4PkJQw1mgB0

Good ol marketing 😊

[blazing musk]

Really? I rarely get a storage bottleneck lol. They obviously mean very specific applications.

[kind sierra]

I don't think the bottleneck has been storage for most people for a few years now

[upper quiver]

yeah it stopped being the bottleneck since Gen3 at best

even though fully saturating sata 3 aint really a bottleneck either

[blazing musk]

Even just over sata with SSDs I don't get storage bottlenecks. I have 2x 1TB WD Blues in raid 0 over sata.

[open gazelle]

Will be interesting to see what Direct Storage has for bottlenecks. Tho, that's a soon™️ thing, basically same deal as fusion reactors. Never will happen /s (prolly will in 5+ years or smth, idk).

[coarse vault]

I'm looking for an m.2 drive for some extra storage and my OS. My motherboard only supports gen 3 so I don't need anything fancy. What is the main difference between these 2 drives? and is the samsung one worth the extra cost? If you have any other drive suggestions lmk please
https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Description=1tb m.2 ssd&cm_re=1tb_m.2 ssd-_-20-147-743-_-Product
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?Description=1tb m.2 ssd&cm_re=1tb_m.2 ssd-_-20-331-417-_-Product&quicklink=true

[calm blaze]

the EVO is up to 3500/3300MBps R/W, the Team is 1800/1500

for $30 more it's almost 2x faster

[coarse vault]

ah okay thank you

do you think it would be worth the extra $30 just for regular game and os use?

[small carbon]

Idk, I got it when it was $84 on amazon. Wouldnt pay that full price of $110ish

[coarse vault]

I'm in no rush so ill just keep an eye on them

[real lava]

sequential speed doesn't matter much for your use case

i wouldn't pay 30 more for the evo plus imo

or full price on an ssd lol

sales are regular

[small carbon]

P31 was $92 also when the Samsung was 84.

[calm blaze]

def do like Chillin and get it on sale, they go on sale quite frequently between NE and Amazon both

[red jay]

is there a way for me to shrink my C drive partition?

[blazing musk]

Not while you're running windows

You could boot into Linux from a live USB and hope it works. Keep in mind you cannot move the start of the C volume without rebuilding the windows boot loader.

Of course if you plan on moving those partitions you have selected to the same disk you'll need to rebuild the boot loader anyway probably

[pallid orchid]

u can use minitool partition wizard too

itll reboot into what i assume is dos shell, shrinks drives and reboots to windows if u shrink or gow c drive

ive used it many times and no data loss

[red jay]

problem solved

should I shrink my backup OS to save space on my other SSD?

[red jay]

Ok so pc is not posting after I cloned all partitions from disk 4 to 3 and used clean command in diskpart on disk 4

[split escarp]

My Mac has has 879 gb

[blazing musk]

Not posting as in you can't get into bios? Or just a black screen after the bios splash screen?

You probably just need to rebuild the boot loader like I said, you can do it from an install or recovery drive.

[red jay]

not getting to bios

[blazing musk]

Unplug both drives and see if it still can't go to bios

[red jay]

ok

[red jay]

no bios

oh wair

i forgot to unplug my HDDs

we got bios

[blazing musk]

Ok, do you have a USB with either the recovery environment or the windows installer?

[red jay]

yes I got the macrium reflect recovery

[blazing musk]

Does that have the windows command prompt?

[red jay]

I think so

lemmie check

it wont post with any storage device connected to it

[blazing musk]

Clear CMOS next then

[red jay]

how to do on this board

i have a rst switch

but not sure if that'll work

i got these pins

how do i use it

[pallid orchid]

u can either remove reset switch from front panel and put em onto clear cmos header

or u can simply grab a metal object and touch it to the 2 pins at the same time

make sure its not painted or anything

[red jay]

ok

cmos has been cleared

[red jay]

yes it does

[blazing musk]

Well that's a good sign.
See what it does when it tries to boot now that the bios is fixed.

[red jay]

so dont try to fix the boot problems through macrium reflect?

[blazing musk]

If it doesn't boot I'll give you the commands to rebuild the boot partition

Well you can give that a go too, shouldn't hurt anything at least

[red jay]

ok dome

[blazing musk]

Cool, see if it'll boot now

[red jay]

we have windows

:KEKW-1:

[blazing musk]

Kewl

[red jay]

two people told me to do a fresh windows install

[blazing musk]

Well that would work but it's kinda the nuclear option

Much better this way, even if it is a little more work

[red jay]

yeah

i prefer the added work

you learn things

macrium reflect will never leave this usb ever now

[blazing musk]

That's a good way to look at it

[red jay]

[blazing musk]

I personally use ventoy for most of my USB boot needs. Once you make the USB you just drag and drop ISO files to it.

I've got about 20 different operating systems, some with different versions, on that one drive.

[red jay]

oh I see

seems like a convenient way for you to bring all your linux distros with you if you cant bring a laptop

[cyan needle]

I wonder if the ventoy usb i made with my phone will work the same way if I plug it in my pc.

Suppose I'll check when I get home.

[pallid orchid]

my small tiny brain couldnt figure ventoy out

too many exe files

[cyan needle]

You have far from a smol tiny brain.

[cinder lantern]

It's because I'm in the navy and need to make sure my hdd doesn't get messed up on deployments

[small carbon]

hdds don't usually need to stay flat/level/ btw (afaik). it's generally just about limiting/lessening drops or sudden movement.

[blazing musk]

Vibration is the killer, not motion. If you're worried about jolting and vibration you want SSDs.

[real lava]

^

[cinder lantern]

Kewl

Thanks yall

[split escarp]

i have window 7

[quiet gust]

💀

Was wondering why the random HDD i found wasn't even initializing using disk management...

[blazing musk]

Disk done died.
Too many bad sectors to fix. RIP

[real lava]

ded

[small carbon]

Same model I have 2 of, haha. Been good for me, but 1TB really isn't much. I'm putting a bunch of older games on partly to not have to DL again, and even sequential HDD speeds are much faster than my DL.

[red jay]

Hmmm do I want this?

[blazing musk]

Nah

If it was $85 including shipping maybe

Depending which brand you prefer one of these would be good https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9YyFf7,VFvbt6/

Both free shipping from reputable sellers on Amazon

[red jay]

I turn to HGST for their reliability but barricuda would be 2nd choice

[blazing musk]

HGST is just an enterprise focused Western digital drive basically. WD owns them after all.

[red jay]

yeah it is but the design team was based in Japan and the stats show that they have the lowest failure rates out if the lot

[pale jackal]

XPG Gammix S70 Blade is a terrible SSD NVMe drive. Fast as heck, but mine died in just over a month of use. 2TB of gaming storage, gone.

[sour wadi]

That's just extremely unlucky can happen to any drive tho, xpg will rma it for you

[pale jackal]

I thought that too, but there was 5 buyers in a 2 month span with dead drives with the same issue. It wasn't some isolated case.

[blazing musk]

Still could have happened to any drive. Maybe the machine soldering the controllers was mis-calibrated or something. It's hard to know.

[pale jackal]

quite possibly. Doesn't help that my MB went bad around that time too. luckily I had an MSI MAG Tomahawk Z690 DDR4 spare.

[blazing musk]

I wish I had spares like that lol

[pale jackal]

I bought the MSI board, then won an ASUS Z690-F Gaming DDR5 W/ 2x16GB G. Skill 6000mhz ram sticks in the shuffle.

[daring swan]

How can you tell if a hard drive is dying without the usage of software?

because my external SSD can't be used on my console because it's apparently 144 TB, when it's not and when I go to my PC, it shows up but I can't format it or look into its contents

[blazing musk]

Shuck the SSD out of the enclosure and plug it into your PC using sata/M.2, then see if you can work with it. If it works, it's the USB adapter. If not, it's the drive.

[fossil nexus]

anyone know why my ssd wont show up in This Pc

its detected in bios

and aswell as in disk management

just doesnt show up in this pc

[blazing musk]

Is this a new SSD?

[fossil nexus]

nope

had it for a while

now it just for fun stops showing up

[blazing musk]

Try to assign it a letter in disk management

[fossil nexus]

how do i do that?

it seems like i cant do anything with it

when i right click its all greyed out

at the moment its jujst disk 1

[blazing musk]

You can't do "change drive letter and paths"?

[fossil nexus]

disk 1 partition 2

nope

all that is grey

[blazing musk]

What about properties

[fossil nexus]

i can do properties

what happens if i uninstall the device?

or disable it?

[blazing musk]

Nothing really

[fossil nexus]

it wont change anything?

[blazing musk]

Uninstall will prevent you from using it at all until drivers are installed again

[fossil nexus]

k

so theres nothing i can really do to give it a fresh start?

[blazing musk]

You can check event viewer for errors to see why it's not working

[daring swan]

don't really know what I need here in order to connect it

I've never seen any other port like this other than the cable my SSD came with

[clever venture]

I've seen those from My Passport external drives
https://www.westerndigital.com/products/accessories/wd-my-passport-wireless-usb-3-0-to-micro-b-cable-black#WDCA042RNN

[blazing musk]

It's not fully taken apart yet, there's a sata interface below that

[craggy solstice]

sometimes there's not. good ol WD specials are straight drive to USB

WD shenanigans

[daring swan]

wait what?

if you're talking about the metal sheets, I don't really think I should take them off

[daring swan]

I plugged it into my computer and I hear hard disk sounds

but after a while I don't hear anything but the fans. light indicator isn't on in both scenarios

and I don't think it's doing anything after the sounds stop

[pale jackal]

That drive has been through some stuff.

[edgy lynx]

Hey so im about to throw in a second drive into my pc which also has an OS on it. How do i make sure I dont boot off that OS? I also want to totally clear that drive once I put it on my pc how coul dI do that?

[daring swan]

what do you mean?

[pale jackal]

It looks kind of beat up.

[daring swan]

eh, not really

sure, the case might because it took a while to get it off

but the drive itself looks fine

[daring swan]

okay, I took the metal sheets off

there's no sata interface below it

but I want to look at the hard drive itself and the disk to see if it is damaged in any capacity but I can't see a way to take off the metal plating

[blazing musk]

NO

[daring swan]

okay I guess I won't do that

[blazing musk]

Do not open the drive or it will be damaged beyond repair from simply exposing it to air

[daring swan]

I'm not going to do that now that you've told me it can be damaged in that way

but I have no idea what else I can do with the drive itself, given that it seems corrupted in the first place

[blazing musk]

Good. A single speck of dust can destroy one of those disks. They can only be opened in clean room environments.

If you don't have the right USB 3.0 cable that goes to that interface there's not much you can do

[daring swan]

at this point I don't think it is the cable

why would a cable cause a hard drive to be recognized as having 144 TB when it has 2 TB?

and why would it be able to crash an entire console's OS when the console attempts to access it?

it's likely the hard drive so I'm giving up

[blazing musk]

If the cable is frayed internally it could be shorting to ground, causing hard crashes on the console.

[daring swan]

that would also explain why my PC won't let me access the drive or look at it in disk management, correct?

[blazing musk]

Potentially yes. If a PC detects a short on the USB it'll simply shut off the USB.

But the controller on the disk could cause the same symptoms.

[daring swan]

alright, just going to look into replacing the cable itself

[blazing musk]

The cable is cheaper than replacing the whole drive at least

Start with the cheapest fix is my method too

[daring swan]

at least I'll have a replacement cable if another hard drive's cable breaks, if my current hard drive is actually broken

[craggy solstice]

Usually encryption or failed firmware

[daring swan]

don't really think it can be that, because it worked yesterday and wasn't encrypted or had firmware

[blazing musk]

Every drive has firmware, it's how the hardware talks to the software

hence "firm"

[real lava]

^

If there's no firmware, it'd just be a hunk of electronic device

[daring swan]

ohhh

[cyan needle]

Is it possible to take the drive out of this and put it in my NVME slot on my mobo?

https://www.amazon.com/HP-6MC15AA-ABC-SATAIII-Internal/dp/B07QJ2BXN8

[real lava]

No

It uses sata connector, it won't even physically fit

[small carbon]

That is the drive, lol. Also it's not nvme or m.2. people sure are missing out not growing up before nvme. Plus, if you did want a sata drive get something like the MX500 that is old but good.

[real lava]

ye

almost all of sata ssds on the market rn are at least a year or more older lmao

they're like already at their best

cause of sata interface limit

if only there was faster sata standard

it'd be great

cause 2.5" form factor has better cooling

[small carbon]

Not a bad thing.yep, They never throttle and run cooler. Their "rnd" speeds could potentially get better. 870 evo is best, MX500 I'd say is close 2nd. The 870 just of course is usually overpriced. A 1200MB/s "sata 4" or w/e would've been neat, but probably won't happen since nvme is here to stay.

[kind sierra]

You mean like SATAe?

[real lava]

huh

[kind sierra]

About six years back when SSDs were getting faster than sata 6Gb there were a few different interfaces proposed

SATAe, m.2, u.2, and SAS 12Gb we're the big ones

M.2 stayed in consumer and u.2 and SAS 12Gb stayed in server. SATAe didn't make it

[blazing musk]

Yeah that was my thought when reading this too, "you just described SAS". It's even 12Gb/s

[pallid orchid]

tbh theres a lotta cool tech in enterprise that would be really helpful to consumers

[blazing musk]

You can get SAS expansion cards and use the drives in consumer hardware

[cyan needle]

I did not see these replies until now. I see.. I got this drive with the pc I bought from my friend. I just wasn't sure what the difference was between the 2. I thought that it was a nvme drive in a case that was connected with SATA. I grew up with HDD and never heard of SSD until recently.

[cyan needle]

What application would be best for me to use this? I only really play games and I currently have a Hynix Gold that I've been keeping everything on atm.

The PC I got it with has a itx or matx? board that has a 6th gen intel cpu so I don't think it has a slot for a nvme drive. I am thinking of cleaning the PC up and installing windows onto that drive.. (he has been booting into some weird windows with limited function from a usb stick).

[daring swan]

I got a fresh new cable and tried using it with my external HDD

Problems still happened, so it's definitely a problem with the drive itself

[small carbon]

Sata ssd can be for any "normal" stuff, games, storage, etc. Game load times aren't much faster on nvme stuff either.

[quiet gust]

I kind of understood compatibility for M.2 SSDs, B key, M key, M & B key, but is there also a compatibility with SATA and NVMe SSD?

Or will they all work in any M.2 slot

[blazing musk]

A slot needs to specifically support sata for sata M.2 to work, and there's also the rare M.2 slot that only does sata

[quiet gust]

How do I know what the slot can support, I have a client-PC and maybe it only supports SATA
Who knows ...

[minor sun]

Mobo website

Like key M is usually NVMe and B+M is usually SATA but a B+M slot can sometimes only support NVMe, weird stuff

[quiet gust]

Does SATA M.2 have a maximum speed of 600MB/s or similar?

[sour wadi]

6gb/s

[quiet gust]

Is it the same as normal SATA SSD via cable?

[quiet gust]

750MB/s max

So I can also know if it is SATA by its speed

[sour wadi]

Not really I've never actually seen a sata drive get close to 6gb/s

[quiet gust]

Me neither
But I know that if it can get past 750MB/s it's NVMe

NVMe:
M key ; B & M key

SATA:
B key ; B & M key

Is this right?
There are no B key NVMe and no m key SATA

[minor sun]

It's probably a yes to both on technicalities

NVMe drives are mainly M key, there's like 2 that's B+M

[cyan needle]

Alright. Do you know of a good 500gb sata ssd? Just needs enough room for win10/diablo3/maybe a couple other games.

[minor sun]

Sata wise nowadays mainly b+m but a few b

But there's always weird products

[cyan needle]

A cheap one preferably. It won't get a super large amount of use. Just store pictures most likely.

[quiet gust]

On my HP client ther is a preinstalled B+M on a B slot (I guess)

[blazing musk]

I've seen nvme drives that can't get past that too

[quiet gust]

That means B+M SATA is compatible with B slot
And B+M NVMe is compatible with M slot

[quiet gust]

Yeah, NVMe, ---SATA--- M.2 should stay under that number

NVMe = the fast one
SATA = slow one

[blazing musk]

You can immediately tell what the drive is just by looking at the keying of the pins on the drive

[quiet gust]

Yeah, ill check

[blazing musk]

One notch, nvme.
Two notch, sata

[quiet gust]

6 or 5 pins, let's check

[minor sun]

Until you get to stuff like this

B+M NVMe drive

[quiet gust]

Eeew

Ugly

[minor sun]

It's like a smol sm550

[quiet gust]

Oh right, they have (5) pins on top and (4) on bottom

Bottom connector has -1 pin

[blazing musk]

Looks like nvme to me

[quiet gust]

Mmh

I have to check HP website

[blazing musk]

Unless it's the super weird sata one that uses m-key. I wouldn't put it past HP.

[quiet gust]

non volatile = NV(Me)
I guess it's NVMe M key

I also saw a video of a person putting a normal m.2 NVMe from gigabyte

Guess it is NVMe

[quiet gust]

He did not show what he did after with the client, you can't even know if it worked

[quiet gust]

If both SATA and NVMe use the B+M slot does that mean that if I have a B+M slot I can put both SATA and NVMe?

🤨 🔨 🔨

now I have another doubt... what they mean with PCIe? is that always NVMe?

[minor sun]

Afaik that'd always be NVMe, since NVMe uses pcie lanes

[quiet gust]

the only thing i got is this: M.2 SSDs have two categories: SATA and NVMe. SATA has B and B+M connectors (rarely M connector only), it is slow (max. 750MB/s). NVMe has M and B+M connectors, it is fast and could be called PCIe M.2

are there more things about M.2 SSDs?

(except for thicc mSATA that is not m.2)

[split escarp]

Nice

Instresting

[minor sun]

Mmm

[blazing musk]

No, since 99% of nvme drives are M-key only the B-key will block you from installing the drive

[quiet gust]

No, I meant B+M m.2 SATA on B+M m.2 NVMe slot or vice versa
But apparently you can't because the slot will only support one of them
Either NVMe or SATA

The pin layout is compatible but they should not work

Maybe I'm wrong

Maybe the slot is compatible unless the pin layout is different

[blazing musk]

There are some slots compatible with both. You can put a B+M key drive into M-key slots.

[quiet gust]

Yeah, I know, the HP client comes with a B+M in a M slot

[quiet gust]

So it is always compatible unless pinout is different or the drive can't physically enter

And if the slot is restricted to like NVMe or SATA only

[blazing musk]

That's mostly up to how the slot is wired. Slots that do both are tied to both PCIe and sata lanes.

Firmware plays a big part too of course

[quiet gust]

I'm sure that if they use the same pinout there is a reason... It's probably because theyre just both compatible with the slot

I would never create a connector identical to another to just not work in certain cases

[blazing musk]

It's because M.2 is only the form factor, and all drives have to use that pinout because it's defined in the spec

Otherwise it's not m.2

[quiet gust]

Bruh
Like making a phone charger with the same pinout as another one but one doesn't charge the device

Nothing in electronics can be simple

[blazing musk]

Yeah that's phone manufacturers being a-holes

[quiet gust]

HP website says the slot is for non-volatile
(NVMe)? Should be...
I'll just by a M or B+M key m.2

Still can't figure out why some clients have the SATA-data connector in the motherboard but not the SATA-power connector

Are you supposed to buy an external ATX psu to power an HDD? 😎

[blazing musk]

Are you referring to 12VO standard boards?

[quiet gust]

Idk
Client PC boards
Don't know

Just to know what type of m.2 the hp client uses I'll download crystaldisk mark or cristaldisk info to see if it is SATA or NVMe, maybe the M connector somehow supports SATA too...?

[minor sun]

I mean, I don't know any boards that do give sata power ..?

[quiet gust]

This is only getting more confusing

[quiet gust]

I have a few clients (dell, HP, other Chinese brands...) And some of them have SATA-data connector but not SATA-power

[minor sun]

This makes sense to me,
Most m.2 sata drives are b+m
B+M drives can fit in B or M
Most m.2 NVMe drives are M

[minor sun]

Consumer boards don't really give sata power from the board

[quiet gust]

No
I mean the SATA connector for 2.5 and 3.5 drives

Not m.2

[minor sun]

Wat

[quiet gust]

Yeah

[minor sun]

I'm guessing that says m.2 and the m. is just cut off in the front

[quiet gust]

@blazing musk oooh...
Seriously?
It is a SATA m keyed slot
💀

Long screenshot

[blazing musk]

Yep sounds like something HP would pull

Use the 1% of drives that has that BS sata M-key