storage-devices

[quiet gust]

Oh

Is the pinout the same for every 4 pin?

[blissful night]

Wdym?

[quiet gust]

Ground, +, -,...

[quiet gust]

I know the SATA pinout but not the 4pin JST

[blissful night]

JST is whatever the hell you want it to be?

The colors are what matter

[pallid orchid]

oh god my brain isnt working rn the black side is sata

[blissful night]

I am not sure what this adapter is for since not many computers use JST connectors for power other than random OEM stuff

[quiet gust]

Yellow?

[blissful night]

What are you trying to use this adapter for?

[quiet gust]

Since it is power, red is +, black is -, but yellow?

[blissful night]

I sent a diagram

[quiet gust]

To power a 5v HDD

[blissful night]

Yellow in the context of PCs is +12V

[pallid orchid]

red is 5v and yellow is 12v

black is ground

[quiet gust]

Ooh

I don't need 12v so... Good

[blissful night]

Dont be trying to use or make a custom cable or anything

You should just buy a proper adapter

[quiet gust]

Why not, I can fry the HDD, it has nothing in it, I'm just trying to use it for a modded-client pc that hasn't got any of the connectors...

And I want to connect it to an usb port

[blissful night]

is it a 2.5" drive?

[quiet gust]

Yes

If I'm not using 12v can i not use the second black cable?

Since one is 12v and and the other is 5v gnd

I know you can use some sort of jumper to "reduce power consumption"? Right?

Is that userful

[quiet gust]

Of course...
Uhm..

Too late

Win 10 is working

By using just the 5v from the usb, the HDD spins

Now I'll try to se if it turns off, if it has lower speeds, crashes...

I hope it works fine

[upper quiver]

usb port should provide way more than enough power for a 2.5" hdd

[quiet gust]

A usb 2.0 provides 5v 500mA
A usb 3.0 provides 5v 900mA

Now I'm using 2.0

Hdd needs 580mA

But I think it's not always 580mA (I'm sure it's under 450mA)

The modded client overall is so fricking slow

1.4GHz 2core and "basic video graphics adapter"

CPU is always at 100%, ram 60% (4GB) but it's because I'm running Windows 10 pro, i used win 7 ultimate before

[blissful night]

Epic thin client

[blazing musk]

I've always gotten almost 1A from usb 2.0, I think 0.5A is just the official spec and everyone has overbuilt it

[quiet gust]

Good? (320GB HDD)
btw what do they all mean?

[quiet gust]

Runs constantly at 77°C with passive cooler 😎

Client 1/3 modded

[blissful night]

I once bought like 10 HP ones off of eBay for like $30

They sucked alot

[quiet gust]

Oh yeah

Now I have to mod the dell optiplex wyse 3040

At least it's 4 core

I hate these clients because I have:
1-athlon 2core 2.3GHz and only 2GB RAM
2-intel atom 4core 1.44GHz and only 2GB RAM
3-amd gt48e 2core 1.4GHz and 4GB ram
(Why the heck the ones wit the best processors have less ram )

-4 (not working) HP amd 2core 4gb RAM

I'll try to fix it tomorrow

-5 (actually in use as normal computers) 2* dell optiplex 3050

..just "a few" dell PCs

[pale anvil]

would it be better to run the os off of usb storage than a hard drive

[small carbon]

Might be fine for certain huge flash drives, but generally they're not suited to that. Better would be an actual 250+ GB ssd. I've only used an OS boot drive about 5 months and realize how obsolete a hdd boot drive is. It's like a racecar VS a bicycle.

[real lava]

HDD is better

For a lot of cases

Most USB drives are so slow

And the faster ones are more expensive than SSDs

[quiet gust]

Need you help:
I have an internal HDD connected (externally) via adapter usb-sata, i have to install windows in it but when I try to install it says it doesn't support usb-connected installation for the HDD.... What can I do, is there any particular way I can format the disk to install windows anyways?
Or do I have to connect it via SATA (internally) and use the usual procedure?

[blazing musk]

The only way is to do a windows to go install, which requires the pro version and the base OS files to be installed to an internal disk

[quiet gust]

How easy it is /10?
For Windows 7 and 10?

How much time will the procedure take?

[blazing musk]

Windows 7 straight up doesn't support it.
Windows 10 it's about 6/10 difficulty, takes roughly twice as long as standard install.

[quiet gust]

...and if I put the HDD back into a computer will the os work as a normal one?

[blazing musk]

No

[quiet gust]

Win 7 was the one I needed the most but I'll probably use the SATA port, I was asking because having to take apart the whole pc bothered me

[quiet gust]

Ah

[cyan needle]

I was thinking of getting an ssd just to put my OS on. What would be a good choice? I have the z690 tomahawk so I have 3 pcie 4.0 if that matters to much. I'm thinking I only need something with sub 200gb?

[minor sun]

Why a separate boot drive? And 256gb drives are just bad value, 500/512gb drives tend to be better value, if you want pcie 4.0, s70 blade might be fun.

[cyan needle]

Idk, it was just a thought. I'll check it out later, gotta head to work.

[open gazelle]

SSDs dont need a separate OS drive. The reason why one would do it for HDDS is cuz HDDs have really low random perf and the OS alone nearly utilizes all of it. So trying to run OS + anything else really kills latency and thus perf/snappiness. The reason to do SSD+HDD is so that you can get the OS on the SSD but have cheap bulk storage, most of the time random reads/writes won't happen on secondary drives unless a specific task is being done.

[cyan needle]

I think the main reason I wanted to have an OS drive is so just in case anything ever happens that I need to reinstall windows, I don't have to worry about anything else.

[kind sierra]

The windows installer has an option to keep data now

[opal lintel]

is it possible to format an M.2 PCIE SSD from a command prompt?

[small carbon]

Of course, but idk how. No offense but if you googled that exact phrase you'd find exactly how to do it.

[small carbon]

This is what I do. A fresh install on a new drive is good (especially when we had hdds, I'm on my 1st ssd). Nice to keep previous drive totallty intact for the data on em. OS doesn't take up much room so I haven't bothered to format any old drives yet.

[iron raft]

Now I've found out that I can't install windows on my usb flash drive. It's a ~32 GB and it's completely empty of any possibile files. Even windows acknowledges it as 28+ GB. Yet I can't move windows to it and I can't download windows to it (says it's not enough storage, despite only being 5.6 GB)

What the hell is happening here

[pallid orchid]

https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10
win 10
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows11
win 11

download the installation media

run it

(DO NOT COPY IT TO THE USB DRIVE)

select usb bootable

and select ur flash drive

[sour wadi]

Make sure it's formatted as a fat32 drive as well

[iron raft]

How does one do this?

[upper quiver]

you should be able to run the media creation tool without a problem

you shouldnt have to "move windows" to it

just run the linked installer and select the flash drive

[iron raft]

alright

[sour wadi]

If it shows up in the installer it's already formatted correctly so no worries

[narrow wraith]

Looking for recommendations on a 2tb+ sata ssd. I'm currently running 2 sn750 1tb nvme drives and need some extra storage for games and assorted files for blender and unity

[minor sun]

For extra storage, you could grab a 2tb qvo

[vagrant harness]

@minor sun is mushkin pilot-e still a good pick up for 2tb storage nvme?

was also looking at samsung, 970 Evo plus as well as the 980 pro, not sure if gen 3 or gen 4 matters tho

[minor sun]

What will you use it for? Atm 970 evo plus is basically same price as pilot e, so might as well grab evo plus

[vagrant harness]

just gaming

[minor sun]

evo plus will do fine

[vagrant harness]

ok thank you, is it a step up from the mushkin?

[minor sun]

a bit

[vagrant harness]

ok ty for your help sir

[minor sun]

You're welcome

[turbid crater]

Do i need usb 3.2 port to run my portable at 3.2 speeds or my usb 2.0 ports works fine

[minor sun]

usb 3.2 needs usb 3.2 port to run at usb 3.2 speeds

usb 2.0 port runs only at usb 2.0 speeds

[turbid crater]

I thought usb is backwards compatible

[minor sun]

It is, it just runs at earlier version speeds

[turbid crater]

Like displayport and hdmi

[minor sun]

If you use a hdmi 2.1 cable with a hdmi 1.4 port, it'll run at hdmi 1.4 speeds

cables don't magically increased bandwidth

DP same thing, PCIe same thing

[turbid crater]

Thanks

[sharp cargo]

If any one could help me im going to purchase https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali570/p/N82E16883360205 but id like to upgrade to 1tb storage and being new to pcs i have no idea whatd be compatible with the motherboard please and thank you👍🏼

[brittle chasm]

I recently bought this new case but i realized i cant put my hard drives anywhere

I found this docking station that i can put 2 hard drives into

I did some more research and it was used mainly for cloning drives

could just use it for daily tasks?

[real lava]

Yes, you can

If the drives are secured in well

[brittle chasm]

How much is the performance decrease since its usb 3.0

[small carbon]

0, since most hdds max out around 200MB/s for the sequential speeds, and that's being generous.

[real lava]

yep

If it's the ss usb 3.0

that could even handle lower end sata ssds without bottlenecking it

[small carbon]

Yep, heck I wouldn't mind even using an 870 evo on usb 3. Just happens most sata ssds are currently sort of overpriced. Although, recently saw a 1TB WD Green model for $65 I think.

[brittle chasm]

Hypothetically if i was bored and was fidgeting around with the thing snd hit the “clone” button would all my files on my srcond drive be gone?

[real lava]

idk

[kind sierra]

Yeah probably. Disk to disk clone, right?

[vast garnet]

I had a quick question. Last year I got a WD Red 8TB 5400 drive for about $200. Right now it's freezing on me so I'm gonna RMA it.

I bought it from Amazon

At this point though the 7800 is cheaper

There's no way to just get Amazon to give me a refund on it so I can buy the higher RPM one, right? :p

[pale anvil]

difference between m.2 ssd and pcie ssd?

[minor sun]

M.2 is the name of a port, PCIe is the name of a protocol

[pale anvil]

ah, then what is nvme?

like nvme vs pcie

[minor sun]

NVMe is a protocol that uses pcie lanes

So, for SSDs, a brief list:
Straight up SATA
M.2 SATA
M.2 NVMe
Straight up PCIe

[sour wadi]

M.2 is the flat form factor, nvme/pcie is the protocol

[olive wadi]

no pcie is the databus

nvme is the protocol

[minor sun]

Shhh easier to explain as protocol

[olive wadi]

source: trust me bro

[minor sun]

Any progress on SSD guide?

[olive wadi]

no ive been too busy to bother

such is life

[minor sun]

Fair, the less ssd you have in your life, the happier

[olive wadi]

real and true

[kind sierra]

Pcie is a protocol too though

Nvme is just another protocol built on top of the pcie protocol

[olive wadi]

this is true (but im trying to focus more on the context of applicability to ssds)

i am simply intentionally spreading misinformation on the internet

[small carbon]

Pci agp pcie. A decent example would be a highway w/ varying speed limits. X4 x8 x16 is ez to explain to people because it's literally "lanes". Ah, I forget the zoomers are born w/ only pcie stuff. No knowledge of what we've advanced from.

[kind sierra]

Lol, starting the list at pci and agp

Does isa mean nothing to you 😭

[blissful night]

Micro Channel

I wonder how many people here know what these were used for

[blazing musk]

I haven't seen one of those in years

Not since I upgraded my current company from the stone age

And even then it was just in the closet

[small carbon]

I faintly recall isa, bit before my time. I had a MaximumPC mag subscription for more than a decade. Taught quite a lot.

[small carbon]

I have a 275GB mx300 I could use, but looking for suggestions on other "cheap" ssds for "bench OS" to go on & OCing b-die w/o effecting main drive. Ebay fine of course also.

[quiet gust]

I was thinking of buying an nvme SSD (about 500GB)
(I tried to check the pinned comment with the buying guide but it doesn't work)

I want to know the difference between every nvme SSD, compatibility, speeds...

And of course I want a cheap nvme (< 50€ if possible)

[real lava]

Any nvme ssds works on anything that takes it

Also I think sn550/570 is around that mark

Check mp33 too

[quiet gust]

I have a MSI b550 gaming plus
It supports 2 nvme SSDs and the first slot if for 4.0 nvme

I know Intel < 11th gen don't support 4.0 so the firs slot usually can't be used unless you have 11th gen or more

And I have R5 3600x, I'm asking you if the first slot will work fine

And if I should get a 4.0 nvme

[real lava]

3600x actually has 4.0 with b550

so yeah, i suppose it works

but going for 3.0 drives doesn't hurt

my suggestions are all 3.0 drives

[quiet gust]

I know that the difference in games between normal SSD and nvme is almost nothing, the only advantages I know are the time it can take to download games (actually installing it on the SSD)
Other advantages I get?

[real lava]

Well, less chance of stuttering I suppose

But that's mostly to do with randoms speed

A crap nvme ssd with trash randoms will do worse than a sata ssd with good randoms in games

[small carbon]

Since a game partially installs as it's DLd I doubt an nvme is actually much faster for steam, but of course they are with most read/write tasks. -- I'm still even pleased w/ my current lil 250GB mx500. Steam "installs" for me are mostly limited by the internet speed. In my case it's 300Mbit/s aka 40MB/s give or take.

[real lava]

ye

[storm knot]

What is the best combination to replace a SSD 2.5in in a laptop ? I actually have a Adata SU800 1TB. Will the amelioration be perceptible ? What differences about NGFF vs MVme ?

[real lava]

NGFF is just the name of form factor

nvme is storage protocol that runs on pcie

If an ssd says m.2 pcie, it means it's using m.2 nvme/pcie slot

Also since you're talking about 2.5" SSDs, you should only get sata ones

No need to worry about any m.2 drives

[storm knot]

I saw some adapter to put m.2 (not NVME, just NGFF) in place of SSD 2.5 in laptop ? Like "axGear 2.5 Inch SATA to M2 NGFF SSD Enclosure Converter Internal / External Adapter". Is the "SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2 2280 1TB PCIe Gen 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3 V-NAND 3-bit MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-V7S1T0B/AM" fit in it ? Will performances be far better from the Adata SU800 ?

[pallid orchid]

just get a sata ssd

sata 2.5 inch

[real lava]

^

You'll just be bandwidth limited by sata regardless

Sata could only run at 600 mb/s at maximum

[storm knot]

I saw Adapter for Desktop like "Weastlinks NVME SSD M2 PCIE 1x Adapter PCIE to M2 Adapter M.2 NVME SSD to PCI Express X1 Card Riser Adapter M Key for 2230-2280 M2 SSD" which connect M.2 to PCIE 1x whichi is the only slot avaylable on my PC. With a Samsung EVO 970 m.2 , Will I have some ameliorations from my Samsung EVO 860 SSD 2.5in ?

[real lava]

I wouldn't do it if you plan to boot from it

Cause if your pc doesn't have nvme support, it won't boot from it

You could still use it as storage, but no booting

[storm knot]

Thank you for all you informations

[quiet gust]

Need help finding a cheap SSD (not nvme) (Min. 350GB) possibly 500GB, something that can achieve at least 400MB/s

From amazon.it

Less than 50€

[real lava]

bx500 for absolute min

[quiet gust]

Mmmhmhmh

[pallid orchid]

ADATA SU800

[quiet gust]

I didn't see any good SSD under 45€ so that's ok, I'll go for that

[pallid orchid]

is cheaper

[quiet gust]

Oh

Wait

Let me check

[pallid orchid]

at least in us

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md#tier-c-what-if-i-dont-have-an-m2-slot----25-sataahci-drives-estimated-price-range-45-55-500gb-80-100-1tb-180-200-2tb

check that

[quiet gust]

Not on amazon.it, it is 15€ more expensive

[quiet gust]

In Italy prices are completely different, btw I'll pick the bx500

Unfortunately I can't base on US prices

[lucid bone]

Looking for a sata iii enclosure for mvne so that I can adapt an mvne drive to be used in a atomos ninja V, but all of them seem to be USB or only support older m.2 drives, but not nvme. Does anyone know of an enclosure or adopter that could work?

[sour wadi]

Why not just get a sata drive?

[pallid orchid]

cant convert nvme to sata since they use completely different pins and protocols afaik

so ud be looking at sata m.2 to sata

which is no point

[lucid bone]

Yes, I know there is no or minimal benefit for speed in the Ninja, but the 2tb NVme drives are cheaper right now and can be used in a thunderbolt adapter to provide huge performance boost when connected to a Mac for video editing of up to 3500MB/s

[minor sun]

Main problem is that SATA is just a different protocol from NVMe, don't think the sata controller would work with nvme without some kind of active converter

[upper quiver]

who ARE you?

[blazing musk]

Error: Nonbinary number

[kind sierra]

@olive wadi thoughts on the sn770? It's looking really promising

[olive wadi]

it's in A tier

would be in S tier if the native write was better iirc

i am busy these days not much list updating

[kind sierra]

Do native writes really count for that much when the SLC is so aggressive

[olive wadi]

native write goes back to cache recovery time and i am trying to avoid bending the tier list methedology

maybe the methedology needs some revamp

[small carbon]

For $105 currently for the 1TB and it's almost on your S tier, nice. A few various reviews show it mighty close to the 980 Pro in some tasks.

[olive wadi]

ya its based deal

[kind sierra]

From what I've seen they've got basically the entire drive configured as SLC to start off with, it just starts moving the old data to TLC as it goes

Tom's wrote 377GB to it empty before the cache saturated, which means it had to have been reclaiming cache even as it was still writing

[sand onyx]

Just look up for some cheap Sata controller and throw an SSD in it.

The one I have is Ugreen.

[minor sun]

Could add in a clause for exemption from native write if like SLC cache is >30% of the capacity of the drive? Or put it in an honorary S- tier and just list slower native write as reason for being S- instead of S

[olive wadi]

perhaps

[kind sierra]

30%+ would pretty much be the entire drive dedicated as SLC after all

[small carbon]

I copped a $220 2TB that I believe is S tier. They say 5 yr warranty so that's not too bad also. Seemed like worth a try VS most gen 3 that are $190ish. This thing beats the 980 pro in some tests. Gonna have a weird mix: This + 500GB sn550 + 1TB MX500.

[sour wadi]

yeah s tier

[minor sun]

Yea that's why I think such an exemption wouldn't take away from the integrity of the tier list requirements

[small carbon]

dang I didn't see it on amazon. Could've saved $11 (from cash back later). Oh well, too late to cancel at BB

[kind sierra]

wtf does "N/A" mean for nand layers?

2D flash?

[open gazelle]

99% chance it means "we dont know the layer amt"

[small carbon]

It means Not Available.

[open gazelle]

1D flash

[manic dagger]

HDD vs SSD

[sacred flax]

https://www.ebuyer.com/921058-crucial-bx500-2tb-2-5-ssd-ct2000bx500ssd1

guys is this a good buy?

[minor sun]

I would rather spend a bit more on a mx500
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003J5JB12

[minor sun]

Do note we'll have to see how SSD failure data compares long term to HDD failures

[sacred flax]

thanks

[open gazelle]

Wonder where they're getting their failure rates from, probably just some random number they made it.

"This means that on large servers like ours"... So this is from a data center? Backblaze barely has any HDDs over 2% failure rate. What hecking HDDs are they using with garbage reliability?

Also bad writing: "You will have an extra 6% of CPU power for other operations"... No, "you" wont. Only the data center(s) will, not the average consumer this image seems to be aimed for. Need to learn to write in third person or as a report, or at the very least using "we".

[open gazelle]

Have more time to look at this now. Seems like it was aimed at customers for getting a server. Which is a bit better I guess, still sucky for not stating the workloads being done on it tho.
https://blog.resellerspanel.com/dedicated-servers/fully-revamped-line-of-ssd-dedicated-servers.html

[kind sierra]

Lol

Where the heck are they getting what's obviously an enterprise grade HDD with such a high failure rate

I think this is a school project or something

[marsh lynx]

can someone help me decide between two different ssd thingies

[small carbon]

Ask. Also from tech deal discussion: Seemed like a decent price overall. Now all 3 m.2 slots z590 slots are already filled, lol. 1TB mx500 might not even get hooked up either. -- Gonna have 500GB sn550 + 2TB S70 blade + 2TB 970 Evo Plus.

[marsh lynx]

am i allowed to send links?

[small carbon]

Depends. Try it. If not, DM it. Before you lvl up and turn green I think only amazon/newegg links

We're good. Was pretty simple Hynix P31/S31 dilemma. They have a neat X570 itx mobo w/ 2nd m.2 slot on the backside.

[open gazelle]

The link I put above your message is the source of the image am pretty sure. Seems sus AF

[blazing musk]

Looks like it's based on the 15k SAS drives they were using. If configured incorrectly the motor could burn out.

[restive karma]

cant open all app from c drive windows 11 help

[quiet gust]

What's this Sus "led"?¿ On my HDD

[upper quiver]

dont think thats an led

it could potentially be the sealed fill port for when they fill the drive with whatever mixture its filled with

[quiet gust]

It also didn't make much sense to put an led there

[small carbon]

Well I was gonna post a $130 2TB refurb 970 evo plus, but of course page vanished quick. They messed up dropping the price even more since yesterday at $150 when I bought one.

[marsh lynx]

can someone get into a vc and help me set up a m.2 drive with my other ssd

??

[marsh lynx]

moose helped

[brisk dome]

SN750 SE has no dram, does that mean it's not as good for being an OS drive?

My is is currently on an 860 Evo 1tb

[sour wadi]

No,drives don't need dram cache to be good

[brisk dome]

Cool thx

[real lava]

Drives needing dram cache to be good is just mostly bull these days

[brisk dome]

👍

[kind sierra]

Just look at he SN770

[sour wadi]

Tbf they're asking cus sn750 se + battlefield is on sale for 70$ in #tech-deals

[small carbon]

It's a mediocre gen 4 drive, but still decent overall especially at $70 tbh.

[kind sierra]

It's realistically a higher end gen 3 drive

[small carbon]

an sn550/570 w/ nitrous methinks hmm, lol.

[mental plaza]

Is 160 for a 2tb sata ssd good?

It would be new

[small carbon]

Yea that's fairly decent. Overall sata ssd's just aren't all too cheap these days.

[mental plaza]

Well it's easier than swapping my already being used m.2 drive

[radiant stag]

I think the 1TB samsung SSD im getting is like $110 so id say yes

[sour wadi]

Depends on what sata ssd

[mental plaza]

Crucial

[sour wadi]

Yes but what model

[mental plaza]

Honestly I don't know, but they only have 2 versions so either one

[small carbon]

Well preferably it's the MX500 not BX500 is all.

[real lava]

I suspect it's BX500

[hexed sage]

All I need help I have updated everything and My Asus Rog Strix B550f Motherboard is reading the Samsung SSD but even when I have it to boot option #1 it still loads into Bios Any and all help is appreciated.

[sour wadi]

Have you actually installed an OS on the ssd yet?

[hexed sage]

Windows 11 yes

well Windows is installed idk how to see if its on the SSD though

[sour wadi]

it will say like windows manager or something in the bios boot options

[hexed sage]

Yes it does and in Bios

[sour wadi]

make sure that is number one boot order

[hexed sage]

yes it is

[sour wadi]

can you send a pic?

[hexed sage]

funny thing is I am in Windows right now

[sour wadi]

then whats the problem?....

[hexed sage]

From strartup it only loads into bios not windows

If i restart it it loads into bios

[sour wadi]

ohh that is odd i am not sure.. it would have to be some weird bios setting i guess

[hexed sage]

Well does this tell you anything

[sour wadi]

nope

[hexed sage]

great lol

[hexed sage]

Got it

i went into the bios and i had a fan error i just changed the settings to basically ignore and saved and it started right into windows

thank you @sour wadi for the concern time and help though

[sour wadi]

Glad you got it fixed :)

[small carbon]

Let me guess the cpu fan error & you're running an aio? If so, it's what was never a problem in the past because everyone had a normal hsf & plugged in a fan to cpu fan header.

[verbal quail]

Or maybe check if you have the fans connected to the right header

[mental plaza]

Theres nearly no difference between the MX500 and BX500, so is it fine if I just get a BX500 2tb?

[small carbon]

Indeed there's no (price) difference between them, so might as well get the outright better MX500. That's unless you're in a certain country where MX500 is a wack price. -- Also depending on which site/store you're buying from, I might say spend an extra $20 or less for an 870 Evo.

[minor sun]

There is a difference, afaik bx500 uses sm2259xt, no dram, and uses 96l qlc, while mx500 should use sm2258, has dram, and uses 96l tlc

Mx500 is better, they're different drives

[frank copper]

Yesss my 8TB HDD is now installed I have an NVME M.2 SSD boot though.

[small carbon]

I don't think you have enough storage 🤣

[pale jackal]

I'm experiencing the fun life of the disappearing D: drive. My 2TB XPG Gammix S70 Blade SSD NVME ghosts randomly and only comes back after a complete shutdown and startup.

[blazing musk]

Might be a good idea to blow off any dust in the area and clean contacts with isopropyl alcohol, high 90s %

Those gen 4 drives also get very hot, if you don't have a heatsink it could be a safety feature

[small carbon]

well ontrac "delivered" and I got the same drive! $220 might be the only reason I figured I'd try it. Next ssd I get tbh will probably just be a normal gen 3 like the p31/970evo+. Well, only have a single pcie4 slot anyways.

[pallid orchid]

I need new ssd

[kind sierra]

@pallid orchid how big? Sn770 is a pretty good price rn

[pallid orchid]

500gb would be enough but i was just complaining anyway i cant afford an ssd rn thanks tho

i needed for that but i just destroyed my sindows install for now

[frank copper]

SSDs are going for $100 a TB right now on Samsungs website -- just about.

[blazing musk]

They're often on sale for cheaper

Lowest I've seen on a 970 evo was $85 per gb

[manic dagger]

Per Gb!!?!??!

[blazing musk]

*TB
Oops. It was late lol

[open gazelle]

$100 per Mb is best I've seen.

[quiet gust]

Just got 2 used Kingston a400 480gb (SATAIII ← good) for a total of 55€, was it a good deal?

[small carbon]

Sure, can't argue w/ that €/GB even if it is sata, which is not really much slower depending on the task. Say I'm downloading/installing a game from steam, the internet is almost always my* "bottleneck" at 350ish Mbit/s aka 40ish MBytes/s.

[quiet gust]

It's just for game space, considering I already used all my main SSD (512gb) mostly due to warzone

[small carbon]

yea, no directstorage thing yet so sata ssd definitely fine as a game drive.

[blazing musk]

If they're identical drives put them into raid 0 for extra speed

Game drives don't need redundancy

[quiet gust]

I'll put only one of the SSD in my main build and the second in the mini-PC build

[undone salmon]

i just installed an SSD and its not in the devices and drives area is there any other place it would be?

[blazing musk]

Disk management

Right click your start button for a shortcut there

You probably need to initialize it and create/format a partition

[undone salmon]

this?

of nvm i cant send screen shots

im in the disk managment area

it says i must initialize a disk before logical disk manager can acess it- do i select MBR or GPT

[blazing musk]

GPT

[undone salmon]

ok its online now

is that all i gota do

it says its unallocated

[blazing musk]

Now you can find the empty disk, right click, and create a new volume

[undone salmon]

new simple volume?

[blazing musk]

You can just click next through the prompts, defaults are fine for most people

Yes simple

[undone salmon]

do i click format?

[blazing musk]

Yes, NTFS

[undone salmon]

oo

thanks

i got 1 more question

im moving most of the games from my hdd to ssd once im done copying them do i delete them from the hdd

[blazing musk]

If it's a steam library mostly it'll handle that for you. You'd move them from library settings.

Steam>Settings>Downloads>Steam Library Folders

Other games you'll probably need to reinstall on the new drive or they might not work right.

[undone salmon]

oh ok

very thank

[small carbon]

Not to steal Fal'Cie's thunder or anything, but an example:

[undone salmon]

i already figured out lol

but thx

[small carbon]

Sometimes people need way more "help", haha. Of course if you're literally copying game folders over, you could delete the folders on an old drive or do the "move" command instead.

[tawdry gazelle]

SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2 2280 1TB or Corsair Force MP600 M.2 2280 1TB?

[minor sun]

Rocket 4 plus b47r

[minor sun]

anyways do note 980 pro competes with mp600 pro xt, the e18 b47r varient, not the e16 mp600

[red jay]

so I'm having an issue with my pc. when I launch some apps or have them open, my screen randomly turns black occasionally, and the app crashes

the funny thing is that I can run a Cinebench and drop 21k

and with Kombustor, I am getting results that should be expected

I'm thinking that it is my hard drive, to my knowledge, this has only occurred with apps that are on my hard drive

anyone know something about this?

[blazing musk]

You can check the drive health with crystal disk info

https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskInfo

[red jay]

ty

[blazing musk]

It's not 100% that any issues will show up in smart data but it's a good place to start

[red jay]

it says it's fine

the other thing I was looking at, is that it might be windows

I have been having some problems with it

where it will just randomly crash

it should not be mobo/CPU/GPU related

[blazing musk]

Try the repair script then https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Windows-Troubleshooting-Utilities/releases/tag/v12

[red jay]

well it just happened trying to do that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375444941905854464/967995358095503392/IMG_2091.mov

this is what happens

[blazing musk]

That looks like a driver crash

[red jay]

annnnnnnd malwarebytes is blocking it

you think gpu?

maybe I have to reinstall the drivers

[blazing musk]

Possibly

DDU to wipe and reinstall doesn't hurt

[red jay]

how do I wipe them?

like I would assume that geforce drivers would have an easy way to uninstall

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/NeweggTechie/Graphics-cards/wiki/How-to-use-DDU

The drivers do have a clean install option but it doesn't always work right, leaves a lot of files behind

[red jay]

should I also remove AMD drivers?

for the cpu

[blazing musk]

Only if you have integrated graphics

[red jay]

it seems like it may have fixed it

yep

thank you gamer

[blazing musk]

Nice! Happy to help

[marsh axle]

So I know basically nothing about the quality differences between similar NVMe drives. Would someone be willing to tell me if there is any way to tell how reliable a drive is?

For instance, an SK Hynix Gold P31 and a WD Blue SN570 are speced the same as far as I can tell, but is there a quality difference between them?

(the WD Blue is cheaper)

[blazing musk]

Refer to the tier list in the pins. Reliability isn't a big concern these days, most SSDs will outlive the rest of the PC

The P31 is A tier while the SN570 is B tier. The P31 has godlike random read/write speeds.

BUT

Keep in mind B tier is still absolutely overkill for just gaming

[marsh axle]

sweet, thank you very much!

[small carbon]

Can't go wrong w/ the P31 though if its not much more than what the SN570 would run ya.

[quiet gust]

There's a problem, my mum was saving some photos on an external HDD from the camera, I don't exactly know what she did but she COPIED the camera folder with the photos to a folder on the HDD, then she removed the photos from the camera (the photos were saved on the HDD), she then (accidentally) pressed ctrl+z (because she was working on a document) and accidentally removed the folder in the HDD.
She tried getting it back with ctrl+y but only a empty folder showed up (called "empty folder") and she wasn't able to get the photos back. She stopped there to avoid more damage (pc was not turned off, so maybe the files can be recovered) and if you know where please tell me... Thanks

The recycle bin is empty (it doesn't save files anymore from 2 months till now) and restoring files from file chronology isn't an option since it is disabled

[real lava]

Plug hdd into different machine and run some data recovery software on it

[quiet gust]

What should it do? Does it erease any data or will it show me the data that has been deleted

?

[real lava]

It won't erase anything

But yes, it'll show you the data that has been deleted

[quiet gust]

Mmmh...

[real lava]

And will recover for you if possible

[quiet gust]

But how should that work...

Do you know any of these programs... Are they free?

[real lava]

There's recuva

But I think there's more

Recuva is kinda slow

[quiet gust]

Not much of a problem but is it free?

The important part is getting the photos back

[real lava]

Yep there's easeus too

And yes, recuva is free

[quiet gust]

Because my mom asked a computer shop and they told her 50€ to get the photos back
(Too much in my opinion)

[real lava]

Just don't touch the drive at all

Plug it it and run recovery

[quiet gust]

Should I make a backup of the drive? Recommended?

[real lava]

No

That'll overwrite everything

[quiet gust]

(it's like 400gb of data)

Ok

[real lava]

400 gigs of data, oof

That's gonna take like an entire day to finish scanning

[quiet gust]

I'll try that, 50€ looks like a scam

[quiet gust]

Uhh

[real lava]

50 for that is probably costs for how much time it takes

[quiet gust]

No, 30€ for a program "license" and 20€ for 4h estimated time

[real lava]

oh

pft you can just do it yourself for free

[quiet gust]

Yeah

[real lava]

depends on the size of the hdd

it might take a few hours

to an entire day

[quiet gust]

Ok, there is time

[real lava]

in my experience, 1tb drive takes like..

8 hours

[quiet gust]

The pc has never been turned off today, if that can help finding some of the data

[quiet gust]

Yeah, it's a 1tb drive with 400gb data

[real lava]

that's with a laptop drive

but external hdd is usually 2.5"

so it's probably gonna take that long

[quiet gust]

It's a Toshiba idk the model

I'll try recovering the data

[real lava]

i failed to recover data on mine cause i let it overwrite

it was just some games, but still annoying

[open gazelle]

Macrium Reflect

[real lava]

^

[open gazelle]

Also, as suggested earlier, def dont use the drive in any form or way other then having it in to be scanned. That means not using it as an OS drive or just a secondary drive randomly plugged in doing "nothing"

[quiet gust]

Wait

Can I recover the data from the camera SD card?

They've been cancelled from that

Maybe it'll take less time for the 16gb SD

[open gazelle]

Depends on if the data was overwritten since it was "deleted"

[quiet gust]

It has been only deleted

Nothing else

No photos have been taken

(after the data loss)

[open gazelle]

It could work, so long as no random writes where written to it (you know, OS being weird and such). I'd still make sure the drive is safe from being used in the event that the SD card wont work

[quiet gust]

So is it safe to remove the drive and put it on another pc for the scan?

[open gazelle]

Aye. Remove the drive and then set up Reflect before plugging in the drive.

[quiet gust]

So you recommend to use macrium reflect instead of recuva

Is there any probability that some of the files already on the SD car get deleted or corrupted?
I'm sure every file will be safe but just for information...

[open gazelle]

I have a very, very small bit of experience with Macrium Reflect and none with Recuva. I do know that Reflect is free for what you're trying to do, so I usually just recommend that. Also cuz it's smth Forks typically recommends.

[upper quiver]

reflect does file recovery?

i typically use recuva, i think ive used it like 5 or 6 times now...

seems to work pretty ok, although UI is not terribly friendly

[quiet gust]

Mmmh... So.... What should I use?

[upper quiver]

recuva is designed for file recovery

macrium reflect is for disk imaging and partitioning

and i guess file recovery?

you should learn to use recuva

[quiet gust]

Mmh

I'll try both recuva and macrium, if one doesn't work I'll try the other and I'll also find the best one for me

[open gazelle]

Basically how it does file recovery, it can image the deleted files to another drive

[upper quiver]

huh

i suppose that works

[snow anchor]

In what applications are Gen 4 nvme drives faster/better than Gen 3?

[blazing musk]

8k video editing

Workstation tasks like that

[snow anchor]

So there is no real benefit for having one as an OS boot drive or anything like that

[blazing musk]

Nope

Only for things that you need to move large files as fast as possible

[small carbon]

Bingo. Having exactly 1 gen 4 drive in my pc is gonna be a bit of a waste, but at least it was within $20ish of the average gen 3 price. Can always transfer to a ps5 someday perhaps

[ruby osprey]

lmao imagine not having enough storage for games

(20 tb)

[blazing musk]

No raid? skill issue

[real lava]

cmon do raid

[quiet gust]

@upper quiver I'm about to install recuva, do I select only pictures instead of "all files" do it is faster?

Considering I only have to recover pictures... Of course

[quiet gust]

Done, I was able to get about 90 out of 110 photos back

[quiet gust]

Let's see if the deep scan can do better

[kind sierra]

Bruh I've worked on systems with more ram than that

[ruby osprey]

:(

[pallid orchid]

lmao imagine being in 2022 and having 4 hard drives and only 1 ssd

L + Ratio + Maidenless + Touch Grace + No Runes + Solaire Better + Beat Margit the Fell Omen + No Seat at the Round Table + No Steed + Go Back to Fortnite + Your Mom

[ruby osprey]

i was surprised i could fit 4 hard drives in my pc lol

[small carbon]

Sounds like typical gen Z case w/ barely any hdd spots. 20TB of hdd stuff sounds rough. I'm just thinking about a 4 or 6TB so I can get everything from a few old hdds in 1 spot . It'll be good also doubling my ssd storage from 1.25 to 2.5TB.

[kind sierra]

Meshify 2 compact is 39.4 liters, a 2.5" HDD is about 690ml, therefore you can fit 57 drives in the meshify 2c

Can get up to 16TB on a 2.5" before getting out of consumer space, so that's almost 1PB. Squeeze a few 8TB m.2 drives to fill in the gaps and you should break 1PB easy

[upper quiver]

nice! did you check both the sd and the hdd?

[quiet gust]

Only the SD card, (the HDD has too many files in the same folder) btw my mum told me the photos that haven't been recovered are old photos which were overwritten by the newer ones

Very nice program, very intuitive and easy to use, it took only 4 seconds to scan the SD card and get the photos back

If I only knew about this program one year ago I wouldn't probably have lost my phone photos when it broke

[pallid orchid]

Sheeee thats 39.4 l of dna based storage

[quiet gust]

I've just compared my sataSSD benchmarks to the ones of different SSD I could find on Amazon
The scores of my SSD are pretty good, except for the write that is a bit less than other SSD (for me writing speeds are not much of a problem)

@pallid orchid

The last write speed is usually 25 not 19

As i remember from some previous benchmark

2nd SSD (Kingston a400)
Mine (left) looks good (I only run one benchmark)

[quiet gust]

Looks like my system doesn't like writing SSDs

[small carbon]

Usually write speed is below read. That 70 on the last pic almost feels bogus or a glitch tbh. Btw your speeds are similar to my MX500, but better simce I'm using the 250GB currently. remember under 15ish % free space effects ssd performance.

[quiet gust]

Yeah, i knew the speeds were not that bad

3rd SSD, write speed doesn't look right

Broken?

Even if the seq.1MiB speed looks fine (422MB/s)

[quiet gust]

What should the speed be for a "normal" ~500mb/s SSD (the one that is 70 in the photo)

?

Did the benchmark again, ooof

29

[dense merlin]

ive never done an ssd bench

i wonder how bad my cs900 will score

[quiet gust]

It gets worse and better... And worse... Bruh... What the Frick
I think I got kinda scammed for a used SSD

150? And 13???

So I downloaded crystaldiskinfo
Lest see the health of the SSD

[small carbon]

This 1st pic is around what I'd expect. The 211 box should maybe be higher, but 86% full is probably effecting the numbers. Actual reviews do drives that are maybe 50% full & some tests when drive is "full" for comparison.

[quiet gust]

Total NAND writes: 29343GB holy

The "broken" SSD

Been used for 2000hrs

Started 1500 times

Health 88%

Mmh

[small carbon]

2400hrs would be 24/7 for 100 days, so at least that isn't crazy, but who how it was ran. Some other time I'll hook up all my drives at once. Curious the tbw of them, incl old OS hdd

[quiet gust]

Yes but it 29tb of data written on it

My SSD ran for the same amount of time, but it's perfect, only 8tb write

The other SSD (non broken) is at 97% health only 7tb written and 4000hrs on

[small carbon]

Yea 29TB is pretty nutto

[quiet gust]

I know there is a limit before it starts dying but how much is that?

Also the working SSD (using the SATA adapter) makes some light coil whine sound (when under load)
Coil whine is fricking everywhere

I don't think I can hear it inside the case

[small carbon]

I figure nand could fail even on a newish drive so idk. 88% life by itself sounds decent to me. Although, the % life usually just pertains to the TBW rating afaik.

[blazing musk]

That's what the health % is

The nand itself should be fine until 0%, but the controller could need an update or could go bad

[novel turret]

So after I set up my New PSU/fans in

For some reason my bios recognizes my sata ssd but not the windows 10.

I've messed around the bios settings a bit cause of usb power after shut down state.

Any help is appreciated.

Sata and power connectors are good.

[dense merlin]

is windows installed on the ssd?

if not, whatever it is on you have to set as the boot drive

[novel turret]

ok

Hm my sata ssd isn't also showing on boot sequence

[novel turret]

But yeah the m2 ssd is my boot drive and sata is my storage device.

[dense merlin]

you have the m.2 set as the boot?

[novel turret]

Yes

[dense merlin]

and just to make sure, windows is already installed on the m.2?

[novel turret]

Yep

Hey, could it be that ssd in m2 slot# 2 with first m2 slot disabled due to 10th gen cpu, some of sata ports are disabled?

[dense merlin]

im unsure, i think it depends on mobo

[small carbon]

Yes possible, because on a lot of mobos at least 1 of the m.2 slots will disable 1 or 2 sata ports. Gotta check mobo manual to confirm. For instance on my new z590 mobo, a certain m.2 slot disables a specific sata port & another slot disables 2 other specific sata ports. Kind of funny I could lose 3 whole sata ports just by using 2 m.2 drives, but w/e.

[novel turret]

Yeah the manual isn't quite clear

Gotta find out which sata port it is disabled

Then change bios settings cause I have been messing with sata and usb legacy support to try to see if I can get my sata storage ssd to show up

SATA Storage is back Online! Found out it doesnt work with Intel Opfane whatever thingy with enabled, switched to ACHI support

[small carbon]

Ah good to hear. Somethin I'll try to remember

[novel turret]

It may vary for motherboard but in my case my motherboard is gigabyte B550M DS3H ac y1

[small carbon]

Optane is an actual "drive", but not really surprised by that enabled setting causing an issue

[novel turret]

The storage device is Western digital

So they don't mesh together that well eh?

[quiet gust]

Update, what do you mean? Can hat solve the slow speeds?

What's the difference between Seagate Barracuda (hdd) and Seagate ironwolf (HDD)?

[blazing musk]

Sometimes there's firmware updates for SSDs and yes if one is available it may fix your speeds

[blazing musk]

Ironwolf are NAS drives meant to be writing, reading, and erasing 24/7

[quiet gust]

I'll check updates for the a400 SSD

[quiet gust]

Longer life span?

[blazing musk]

If you keep it spinning yeah, but if it's installed in something that's not a NAS or surveillance system, the drive will spin down. Spinning up is the hardest thing on the motors, and they're lower quality motors.

[blazing musk]

Crystaldiskinfo will tell you your current firmware version

What size drive is it? Different sizes can have different firmware

[quiet gust]

Ok

[quiet gust]

480gb (450actual)

[blazing musk]

https://media.kingston.com/support/downloads/KSM_setup_1.5.1.8.exe

A400 is listed as supported for this program

[quiet gust]

Perfect
Thank you, I'll try it later

Hope it works fine because I don't really want to send the SSD back

[quiet gust]

Download the Kingston manager program, what do I have to do now?

There is nothing in the program, only events

Firmware, operations, health and security have nothing

Maybe it can't find the drive because it is connected via usb adapter

?

[quiet gust]

Should I connect it directly to the mb via SATA

[blazing musk]

Probably. A lot of programs have trouble with USB passthrough.

[quiet gust]

Should a disk appear in the "firmware" section?

Like in this photo

[blazing musk]

Yes it should come up with drive info at least

[kind sierra]

@olive wadi a new challenger approaches

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-1TB-XS70-SP01KGBP44XS7005/dp/B09T2S1Z8T
E18 w/ micron 176 layer TLC, currently $120 per TB

[olive wadi]

base

[kind sierra]

I'm looking to see if there's a catch

I'm seeing none

[olive wadi]

im not im busy

(in serbia)

[kind sierra]

It looks like it's behaves as expected given the config, it's matching the pro xt and 530 in pretty much every test

[cyan needle]

I might have to pick one up

[night quail]

hello

[void forge]

Hey guys, any idea why the WD Blue 2.5" SSDs have skyrocketed in price?

[minor sun]

100$ and 180$ don't look too bad to me

[kind sierra]

Supply and demand type stuff probably, there's not anywhere near the market for 2.5" SSDs that there used to be

[minor sun]

(price history doesn't seem like they've jumped much to me)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073SBQMCX
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-2tb/p/N82E16820250089

[real lava]

sata wd blue had always been at this 100 mark for 1tb

so yeah, i don't see any price jacking up

[outer pecan]

Can someone recommend me a 2TB external SSD? I was originally going to go with a internal but i want one to use between my laptop and PC

[outer pecan]

Nvm i got a Crucia X8

[small carbon]

MX500 is better anyways. Most 2.5" ssds are so close to eachother looking at exactly 1 is unwise.

[real lava]

Eh, both are equal honestly

Just get whatever's cheapest

[small carbon]

Exactly, I figured people can think about MX500 or Hynix S31 while they're actually $2-3 cheaper than the WD Blue.

[frosty bridge]

@ornate obsidian your promo code isn't working, for this drive, even though it is supposed to be good for another 15 hours.

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-2tb/p/N82E16820147744?Item=N82E16820147744

[kind sierra]

I sometimes have promo codes not work if I'm still logged into the business account. Could that be causing the issue?

[frosty bridge]

I sent the link to a friend, and he tried on his personal account. I bought a P5 earlier today, so I didn't need the 970 evo. By the time he got to the P5, it was out of stock, so he tried the 970 evo.

[serene laurel]

I need to purchase two identical 4TB hard drives for my nas. I'm going to be using ZFS on openmediavault. They need to be NAS drives, and ---not--- SMR.

oh, and budget is around 80-85 USD each.

heres what ive found. but feel free to correct or give suggestions

https://www.newegg.com/red-plus-wd40efzx-4tb/p/1B4-005X-001D3?Description=4tb nas drive&cm_re=4tb_nas drive-_-1B4-005X-001D3-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/seagate-ironwolf-st4000vn008-4tb/p/N82E16822179005?Description=4tb nas drive&cm_re=4tb_nas drive-_-22-179-005-_-Product

@ me if you answer. Thanks!

[kind sierra]

@serene laurel toshiba X300 or N300

Don't skimp out on nas drives

[serene laurel]

Those are more expensive, and I expect that. But are there any pros to using that over a WDred plus 4tb?

Im thinking that if i used one of those, I’d need to not use RAID because of cost

[kind sierra]

Red plus has some major speed issues among other things. It's actually a 7200rpm drive, but it's so slow that WD markets it as 5400rpm

[small carbon]

X300 is very well regarded. Sorry about 970, yea coupon wasn't there long. Edit: I mean for desktop use & also NAS. N300 is of course the NAS model.

[serene laurel]

Isn’t n300 the one meant for nas?

[blazing musk]

Yes but you can technically use any drive in a NAS, just don't cheap out

[serene laurel]

What about endurance?

[blazing musk]

That'll depend on how you use it

The motor spinning the platters is the most likely thing to fail first. If you go long periods of time without using the drive, having it spin down is good. But, if you access it randomly a few times an hour, if the drive spins down you'll kill the motor in no time.

[spare frost]

is this where to talk about ram

if so should i buy this

in cad

with 5$coupon

so 99$

[upper quiver]

corsair ram 🤢

tbh its fine, 100 cad isnt a terrible price, and it looks cool

although im sure you could get a better kit

[serene laurel]

I am assuming mine are gonna spin all the time. I don’t intend to be doing huge files, but I’m gonna back up my photos from phone everyday, and camera once a week. And host jellyfin for music (~2 hours daily)

[spare frost]

what ram would u recommend

[upper quiver]

something 3600 c16

[spare frost]

ive been struggling to find some at low price

[serene laurel]

I read that a nas drive like mine is gonna spin almost all the time

[upper quiver]

like ballistics

[spare frost]

3600 under 100 is a struggle

[upper quiver]

yeah, its not a bad price

honestly the gains you would see from tighter timings are pretty minimal most of the time

[spare frost]

mhm

i mean its for valorant so whatever works

[upper quiver]

also im just too lazy to go hunting canadian websites on my phone...

[spare frost]

lmao i feel u

[upper quiver]

at my desk? sure lol

for valorant wouldnt be an issue

[spare frost]

so in general what brands should i look for

[upper quiver]

crucial and gskill have most of the good kits atm

we meme on corsair ram here, but honestly if you are most concerned about price then its fine

what cpu is this for?

if you are building a whole new system i would suggest an intel chip

12th gen spicy rn

[sour wadi]

Oof no

[serene laurel]

So is the only good hdd option for close to my budget the n/x300?

I didn’t know if there are other reliable ones

[blazing musk]

WD reds are on sale sometimes

[spare frost]

12400f

[spare frost]

It’s an upgrade

[upper quiver]

good chip

I think the 12400 might still be on sale

[dense merlin]

it is

[upper quiver]

its was 5 dollars cheaper

[dense merlin]

went off sale earlier, back on sale rn

[upper quiver]

nice

iGPU is a nice to have for troubleshooting

[serene laurel]

It is on sale rn. 82 dollars. But someone said it’s got speed issues. If I’m fine with a bit worse speed, are they still ok? Or are there major reliability issues or something

[blazing musk]

The red drives are designed for NAS applications, and are typically put into raid volumes.
Speed shouldn't be an issue for a NAS since it'll probably still read faster than your network can handle, and writes get cached in DRAM.
People are probably complaining about the raw performance when it's in a desktop. That's not the intended use.

[turbid torrent]

Even then it's significantly faster than a SATA SSD which computers run great off of

So idk why people are tripping

[minor sun]

@olive wadi what do you think of optane maybe swapping off 3dxpoint?
https://blocksandfiles.com/2022/05/02/intel-optane-chip-inventory/

[olive wadi]

i think 3dxpoint is based

and pcmpilled

[upper quiver]

[olive wadi]

idk this isnt really that new

i dont really care lad

im busy with some non solid state storage related stuff atm

[upper quiver]

[quiet gust]

Kingston SSD write speeds still bad, even by connecting it via SATA (motherboard), sometimes it reaches normal speeds but still some of them are pretty bad
@blazing musk

No firmware update available so no chance to get better speeds

[real lava]

it's just an a400

assuming it is that one that is

[quiet gust]

Yes, a400

[real lava]

my wd green gets that sort of speed too hah

albeit a bit slower

[quiet gust]

380 this time (used the 4GiB test)

Bruh

[real lava]

but then again i have 120 gigs version

and i already use 60% of it

[quiet gust]

What's the point of the 120gb version? It's so small

[real lava]

well, i couldn't afford anything better

and i really wanted an ssd

[quiet gust]

Oh so you're like me 😎

[real lava]

couldn't stand slow ass experience on hdd

i now use the hdd for games and storage

[quiet gust]

Hdd
Bruh

I have a 1tb one but I use it for small files

[real lava]

it's pretty sluggish when i use it for both os and games

ssd is for os and some small games

also programs i use

it made gaming on the hdd much more enjoyable

[quiet gust]

What's your pc build?

[real lava]

it's a laptop

[quiet gust]

Oh

[real lava]

i had to replace the dvd drive for a caddy heh

[quiet gust]

I thought you had a desktop pc

[real lava]

to use the hdd

well i have a desktop, but it's for mining

i use a laptop for daily use

[quiet gust]

Not again... 😭

I wish I had a laptop

Actually
I have one but it's like 2012

[real lava]

my laptop has i7 4710hq and gtx 850m

got 12 gigs of ram in it

[quiet gust]

Still better than mine

Mine is like i5 4200u? 4gb ddr3 1600, bad 256gb SSD (replaced)

[real lava]

that's not too bad

at least for a non gaming laptop lol

[quiet gust]

It doesn't even save documents for some reason

"sometimes"

[real lava]

weird

[quiet gust]

Oh
Let's not talk about the TN 763p panel 🤮

[real lava]

i got 768p tn too

cranked it to 80hz through some quick oc

[minor sun]

Understandable keep flying

[sour wadi]

Clearly unacceptable smh

[olive wadi]

[open gazelle]

I assume it uses SLC cache, you waiting a bit between each test to make sure the cache empties itself?

[quiet gust]

No, already from the first test I made it gave me bad write speeds

[fierce plinth]

Anyone recommend any particular External SSD for gaming?

Looking for at least 1TB of storage, and would like to be able to run games directly off of it with decent load times.

[mental plaza]

honestly, find one from a brand you trust and for a good cost

[small carbon]

External ssd generally means "sata" & they're all pretty similar. Should be at least usb 3 nowadays, but make sure.

[serene laurel]

Probably best to get a normal sata ssd and a usb enclosure

[sour wadi]

You should have a look at the crucial x lineup

[serene laurel]

I’m going to order two WD red plus, 4tb hard drives right now. I’m very confused as to where to order them. On western digital, people are saying they weren’t packaged right. And on Newegg, it says it’s an OEM drive. In some reviews I read that that makes it not eligible for the 3 year warranty. Should I just buy from Amazon?

[fringe arrow]

there will always be bad reviews

[serene laurel]

True. But do you think it’s safe to order them directly from wd?

[blazing musk]

I just get stuff from best buy and have them price match 🙃

[serene laurel]

F’real? How is there warranty stuff/customer support?

[blazing musk]

What do you mean? It's the same merchandise

Best Buy will even do curbside pickup if you order it online

[serene laurel]

Wow. The problem I see is that they only show the wd red one with 64 mb of cache, and the western digital store has the one with 128 mb of cache

And from what I’ve read, cache will help performance

[blazing musk]

Depends on your use case

[serene laurel]

Nas. Media server, photo storage and backup, computer backup, and maybeeee cloud vm

And it’s the same price.

[blazing musk]

Might as well just order it from WD directly

If it's the same price everywhere basically

[serene laurel]

Okie gonna do that now

Thanks

[small carbon]

They? Well often various websites will have older models of things. 64MB cache model would be fine probably, but might as well skip it.

[fervent crescent]

Is there anyway to install windows to my m.2 without a USB?

[cyan needle]

You don't have a USB stick?

[fervent crescent]

Not as of rn

If I 100% need it I'll get one

I just want to know if there is any other option

[cyan needle]

I don't believe there is aside from using a disc. You can get cheap ones off Amazon or at Walmart. I personally grabbed one that could plug into my phone and the PC so I could get more use out of it if needed.

Think I spent $10 for it at Walmart. 32gb

[fervent crescent]

Guess I'll get one then

[cyan needle]

Always good to have one handy just in case.

[kind sierra]

You can, but you'll need another computer, a switch, two Ethernet cables, one or two VMs, a Linux iso, and a vlan

Also a motherboard capable of pxe

But most are

[cyan needle]

gosh, that sounds like a pita to do compared to driving to a store and grabbing a stick lol

[real lava]

yes

[sour wadi]

Any info on the msi spatium m390? See the 500gb on sale rn for 45£ ~bout the same price as sn570

[gilded crow]

I just got my first HDD and have no idea where to plug the SATA cable into on my motherboard. I can send a picture if needed. btw do I really need a mounting bracket or can I just set the drive in the case?

[blazing musk]

It's highly recommended to have it mounted, for both noise and drive life. Having it loose can lead to long term issues.

Which motherboard?

[gilded crow]

Im not sure. It just came with my pre-built

I can dm you a pic

[blazing musk]

It's dramless with 96l tlc, seems ok to me
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9969/msi-spatium-m390-1tb-ssd/index.html

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/972937926549860382/972937987178496090/20220508_135544.jpg

Below that USB header cord, the sata ports are rotated 90 degree

[sour wadi]

Looks pretty decent for sn570 money

[delicate crypt]

I have an old computer, but it still runs great after upgrading the GPU. I just need another SSD. what PCI to m.2 adapter should I order? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813131837?Item=N82E16813131837

[blazing musk]

https://www.amazon.com/M-2-Adapter-Aluminum-Heatsink-Solution/dp/B07JJTVGZM
https://www.newegg.com/p/17Z-013G-00009

Just make sure the M.2 drive you get is PCIe, I suggest the MP33 for a strong performing budget drive

[red jay]

Whats better for long term storage? SSD or HDDs? I've read alot much contradicting information between the two as manufacturers, scientists and enthusiasts have different opinions on how long each storage option lasts. Starting with HDDs alot of enthusiasts claim that its better than an SSD as they've been around for a long time and usually data corruption occurs after 10 years depending on how the drive is stored. SSDs however have manufacturer claims that they can last over 100 years as they dont have many moving parts and utilise electrons contained within a NAND. However science suggests that SSDs can lose data when electrons use quantum tunneling to escape resulting in 50% data loss after 10 years...

[open gazelle]

Haven't looked into it, but don't both options have data rot?

Also, manufacturer claims are usually marketing claims, won't say they aren't true but always be careful of them.

[minor sun]

On a practical level, we might have to wait a few more years for backblaze to collect more data, but:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-reliable-are-ssds/

Theoretically, the electrons quantum tunneling out of the floating cell is a very slow process, getting the electrons to quantum tunnel in requires you to pull the word line pretty high, so I don't see how the other way around would progress that quickly.

Just taking manufacturers for their word, tlc nand tends to be rated for like 1000p/e cycles, so 1tb drives should be rated for something like 1000tbw, therefore it shouldn't be dying before you have written 1000tbs worth, but there's no real endurance rating for just how long data can be retained.

Oh and there's also just cheating and looking at optane & 3dxpoint

[open gazelle]

Looking into it, bit rot seems pretty real on SSDs apparently. Trying to see mostly what's about, and the largest issue is with unpowered SSDs

[minor sun]

I'm guessing the controller can help with data retention while on..?

Or maybe no power at all just encourages the electrons to tunnel out more

[open gazelle]

It sounds like just loss of charge which would make sense, but can't really confirm it yet. Have done basically no research on this

[cyan needle]

I feel like I read somewhere that loss of charge is the reason.

[open gazelle]

Yeah, I kinda hecked up and just stated the obvious. Bitrot is literally just loss of polarity (HDD or SSD bit being zero-d out, AKA a literal loss of "charge"). HDDs need an occasional rewrite to stop it from happening (usually to just a singular bit, but I have seen some recommendations for just a complete clone). SSDs apparently just need to be powered on every now and then, but idk if that's the only bitrot issue.

[red jay]

@minor sun @open gazelle @cyan needle Very interesting points and I've read that article before. I mostly just wanted to sus out any other potential causes of bitrot in SSDs as many other sources have claimed that SSDs should be replaced once every 5-10 years to prevent data rot. Because in theory if writing to an SSD and quantum tunneling are the only causes of bitrot in an SSD then it would last forever if is only used as read only, is kept clean, stored in ideal conditions, is charged every now and then and is not damaged externally.

[minor sun]

I would like to note, there are flash drives now advertised for write once read only forever for storage lol

But theoretically, SSDs don't need to be replaced, might need rewriting like hdds to make sure you can still read the cells though

[red jay]

Oh do you have some models for me to look at?

[minor sun]

I just thought it was interesting I saw a report on them a bit ago, I don't know if they're any good, I kinda doubt that they're good, but they exist
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/verbatim-write-once-ssd

But for actually high endurance drives, just look to the server space

3dxpoint and such

[red jay]

I mean yeah

[real lava]

what

write once drive?

[red jay]

I think these sort of drives take more than they offer lol

@minor sun so what do you think about 2.5" SSDs like the MX500

as a long term storage solution

[minor sun]

In general, if you want to keep your data around, tape drives is probably the way to go with long term storage, I do think something like a mx500 can probably last you a decade IF it's plugged in and in use

[red jay]

dont tape drives decay over time?

[minor sun]

I believe modern magnetic tape drives today are better, but would still be sensitive to physical conditions

Everything decays over time, just a difference of extent of decay

[pallid orchid]

if u care about keeping stuff for a VERY long time, google GitHub Arctic Code Vault

[open gazelle]

I mean here's the thing, bitrot is not a product becoming defective. Just a product becoming "uncalibrated" so to speak. From the limited research I could find that wasn't BS (such as chucking SSDs after 7 - 10 years, like nani tf?), it just needs some maintenances. That goes for any drive, so you probs need to think about what you'll be doing and prepare for that.

[red jay]

punch-cards are obviously the most reliable form of storage

[tawdry gazelle]

Samsung 980 PRO or WD BLACK SN850?

[minor sun]

Why not just s70 blade, simple, cheap, fast

980 pro and sn850 are worse than e18 drives w b47r

[woven rain]

Please help, recently, my hard drive just stopped appearing on my pc and the games wont boot, please let me know what is wrong.

[blazing musk]

Does the disk show up in disk management?
Check your cables, power and data.
Run crystal disk info and see if the drive is failing.

[woven rain]

I have already resolved the issue with Microsoft, Thank you for attempting to help though.

[blazing musk]

It's similar to how DRAM needs to refresh the memory cells every so often to avoid data corruption. As long as the drive is powered it should be able to do the refreshes automatically to help cut down data rot. Do that with a raid 1 or 5 array and you can effectively keep the data good as long as the controller keeps working, and even then a controller swap with the same firmware version lets you recover from total failure.

[woven rain]

@blazing musk Turns out it didnt work but I got the crystal disk info, and it is only showing the ssd and not the hdd

[blazing musk]

Then it's either not connected to data or power properly (intermittent issues are often cables) or the data port is going bad. Less likely is the controller is dying.

[woven rain]

I have tried swapping out the data cables and switching sata power cables but it still won't work.

[blazing musk]

Do you have another computer to test it on?

Or at least a laptop you can connect using a usb adapter?

[woven rain]

sadly no, is there any other way to test it?

[blazing musk]

Do you have another drive to plug into the same cables?

Otherwise there's not really anything else you can do unless it pops up again

[woven rain]

No I dont

Okay thanks for your help

[blazing musk]

Well if it comes up again run the crystal disk program and check the smart status

[woven rain]

Ok I will

Although, would it help if I showed you the hard drive model or No?

[blazing musk]

Well the only useful info to get from that would be the model and manufacture date, and the model is only useful for checking if it's a recurring issue for that model.

[woven rain]

Oh fair

I think I will check online, thanks for your time

[kind sierra]

Bookworms

[red jay]

Aye fair enough. Well a mechanical engineer friend of mine chimed in on this one and said that HDDs are better for long term storage since they aren't vulnerable to short circuits and that the reliability of this extends to the fact that it's used in blackboxes. As for what I'm doing? I just don't wana have to clone a drive as that sht takes ages when dealing with gigabytes of data esp on a HDD but SSDs are an expensive bet.

[open gazelle]

HDDs are still vulnerable to short circuits. They have a chip that keeps track of some stuff (I believe good/bad data blocks, maybe other stuff I havent really looked into it) and if that chip gets fried then HDD data is kinda not accessible. Would need a professional to get that back afaik, if it's even possible. Maybe can clone it but idk, didnt sound like that was an option based on my limited knowledge.

[blazing musk]

What is he on thinking HDDs can't short circuit, I've definitely had two short circuit. The controller dies.

[open gazelle]

I think the guy was thinking it was easy to replace a dead PCB when in reality it isnt always easy, and that the data cant be hit by a short circuit.

Which tbh, can you send a massive voltage spike through the HDD head? Never thought about it or looked into it, but without research I cant exactly say it isnt impossible.

[kind sierra]

Yes

You'd probably end up losing the bits around where the head was

[open gazelle]

Yeah, I'd assume that too. But I gotta wonder how bad it'd be, and how hard it'd be (such as whether the voltage spike has to get across the PCB or has a direct power line from PSU)

idk 💩 about storage, so I can only make questions and theories lol

[red jay]

Idk man I didnt ask any further bc all of my friends were already grilling me for arguing with an engineer 😂

[blazing musk]

Just because they're an engineer doesn't mean they know everything

[red jay]

Yeah I understand that but personally I dont like being pointed out as being ignorant when talking about technical things

Its just one of those things that pushes buttons in my heqd

and things go south real quick if I dont diffuse it internally lol

[open gazelle]

I mean, said engineer blantly ignored couple of things when trying to state an HDD is safe from short circuiting.

[red jay]

heat of the moment

I just agreed and got out of it as fast as possible lol

but anyways moving on

[blazing musk]

Well 60% of all statistics are made up on the spot you know

[red jay]

yeah thats true

or is it?

[blazing musk]

Totally not a number I just pulled out my rear

[red jay]

anyways moving on

[open gazelle]

Maybe they made other good points, idk what they said. But yeah, always take stuff with a grain of salt. There really isnt much true research on this afaik. Even better when trying to look it up and see people say really whack and incorrect stuff.

[blazing musk]

lol just to highlight a point
In the heat of the moment some people can't stand to be wrong or challenged and will say anything to get you to agree

[open gazelle]

Backfire affect, can be cool to read up on it

[red jay]

I kinda thought the fact that an SSD can short circuit seemed more like a general electronic failure that could destroy anything

[blazing musk]

Short circuits are an extremely general term, really any time you have voltage shorted to ground, and that can happen on literally any electronic device

[red jay]

sure 😂

[open gazelle]

I feel like SSDs are more susceptible to data loss from voltage spikes, but I cannot prove that.

[kind sierra]

Eh

[red jay]

I have a weird problem where I always doubt myself whenever someone challenges me with an apposing viewpoint unless I have concrete evidence

[kind sierra]

Depends how it's designed and where the voltage spike goes

[red jay]

Also aren't voltages fixed to what your PSU can push out?

[kind sierra]

They're supposed to be

That doesn't always work though

[blazing musk]

That's just human nature tbh, and some people abuse that when they think you don't know as much as they do on a topic to spout BS

[kind sierra]

My thought is that short circuits wouldn't be a huge problem for either kind of drive

[red jay]

yeah fair enough

[open gazelle]

Wait now I forget, power surges are massive voltage spikes right? That would be your real concern, PSU fails to protect against high voltage spike.

[red jay]

Yeah but apparently it happened to him as the copper wires on the mobo eroded and degraded over time

[red jay]

Yeah?

[kind sierra]

Besides bitrot, my guess is that an SSD would have the most issues with ESD and an HDD would be with vibration and mechanical trauma

[blazing musk]

Yeah, that can happen sometimes if it's cheap plastic or it's getting heated/cooled a lot

[kind sierra]

Lol what

[red jay]

Yeah his SSD was affected by a short circuit and it was fried

[open gazelle]

Either you misinterpited what they said, or they do not know what short circuits are.

[kind sierra]

if that's true he had a really crappy motherboard, not on the fault of the SSD

[red jay]

whereas his HDD was in tact

[red jay]

I mean I confirmed that with him and he said yes

[kind sierra]

Okay, your friend is confused lol

[blazing musk]

Ah so he's basing it on anecdotal evidence, the best kind

[red jay]

[red jay]

and yes

thats what I thought

[kind sierra]

My guess is that screwdriver hit the motherboard, somehow shorted either 12V or ground to a pcie data trace, and fried the controller on the SSD

[open gazelle]

Wait, what copper wires were they talking about? The mobo traces, or PSU cables?

[red jay]

he said that PC short circuits are mostly caused by erosion and copper rust

[blazing musk]

They can be, I wouldn't say mostly

Dust is the most common short circuit cause I've seen

[red jay]

Oh?

[blazing musk]

Dust conducts electricity

[red jay]

Oh really

i did not know that lol

[blazing musk]

Dust ball in the wrong place, bridges power and ground

[red jay]

ahhhh

[kind sierra]

Copper doesn't rust

[blazing musk]

Yeah only iron based metals rust

[kind sierra]

It oxidizes, but the oxidization doesn't expand and flake like rust does

[red jay]

i thought it turns green when it rusts

[blazing musk]

That's the oxidation

[kind sierra]

That's a very particular kind of oxidization

[blazing musk]

That's why the statue of liberty is green

[red jay]

yeah

[kind sierra]

In a PCB you're generally going to just see the boring brownish red oxidization

[red jay]

isnt rust oxidation tho?

[open gazelle]

Prolly also depends where you live for dust to be conductive too, no? Humidity and how much of the dust is made from electrically conductive material

[red jay]

That is true too lol

[blazing musk]

No, rust is a compound known as iron oxide

[kind sierra]

Rust is one type of oxidization, it's like how squares are a type of rectangle

[red jay]

Its more humid up north

[red jay]

ahhh fair enough

[blazing musk]

That would affect iron, not copper as much

[kind sierra]

Oxidization on PCB is almost definitely going to cause an open circuit, not a short circuit

[blazing musk]

That's why New England cars are all rusted out but desert cars aren't

[kind sierra]

It's also why ram and CPU contacts are gold plated, since gold doesn't oxidize

[red jay]

yeah

[open gazelle]

I'd also like to see how a PCB trace can even be oxidized in normal conditions

[blazing musk]

Yeah it's not even exposed, it would have to be damaged to be exposed

[kind sierra]

You can get small amounts of air creeping in between the layers, but it's negligible

[open gazelle]

Also what are random chip leggings made of (think like BIOS ROM chip)?

[kind sierra]

Idk

Usually solder plated, not sure what's under it

[blazing musk]

A mix of indium, gallium, and zinc

[kind sierra]

Google says invar

I question Google

[open gazelle]

Google never lies™️

[blazing musk]

I also see aluminum being used

[kind sierra]

I guess it would make sense though, you wouldn't want your chip legs expanding and causing stress when it heats up

[kind sierra]

I had to deal with an aluminum lead once

Never again

[blazing musk]

Yeah and it would have to be very high melting point to avoid issues with soldering

[kind sierra]

Soldering to aluminum even with aluminum solder is hell

It oxides almost instantly and has an obscenely high thermal conductivity and thermal mass

[red jay]

@kind sierra @open gazelle @blazing musk So uhhh. Whats better for long term lil

[kind sierra]

Either will last 10+ years if it's a good quality drive and you take care of it

If you want longer than that, go to tape. Longer still, microfiche

[blazing musk]

For longest term storage that's practical for users? Cloud