storage-devices

[red jay]

idk

when i open it i’ll check

[real lava]

it has m.2 slot

so i bet that 256 gigs drive was actually an ssd

on the m.2 slot

[red jay]

how do i pry it past the ports

[real lava]

you don't

[red jay]

i used a flat head screw driver piece to pry the front off then my hands to the rest

[real lava]

just do other parts

that's not the ports

[red jay]

got it off

[real lava]

good

watch for any cables that could be in the way

[red jay]

there’s no cables attached to the panel so it came off clean

[real lava]

yep

that confirms it

it already has an ssd in it

[red jay]

bruh

i still think i might upgrade

[real lava]

get an m.2?

or 2.5"

[red jay]

where do i put it

[real lava]

well in that case get a 2.5" ssd

the laptop'll need a bay for the 2.5" tho

[red jay]

is that the SSD?

[real lava]

it should come with the laptop in the box

also yes

[red jay]

i don’t have the box anymore

[real lava]

it's an m.2 ssd

[red jay]

i don’t think i do

[real lava]

aw, then you'll have to get an m.2 ssd

[red jay]

and i don’t remember anything coming with it

[real lava]

gimme a sec

imma find an ssd that works for the slot

[red jay]

ima start putting it back together

and the 277374738383838 screws

[real lava]

now you know what to replace that ssd with

lemme find some deals on m.2 sata ssds

[red jay]

it looks hard to get the SSD out tho

[real lava]

it's easy

only held in by one screw

once you undo that one, it should pop up for you to take off

[red jay]

i got a pic of it

[real lava]

then to install it back in you do the reverse

[red jay]

here’s a pic of the whole thing bc it’s cool

[real lava]

See that little screw on the edge of the drive?

That's what holds it down

[red jay]

that?

[real lava]

yep

It'll release the ssd if you unscrew that

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-NAND-1TB-SSD-WDS100T2B0B/dp/B073SB2MXT/ref=mp_s_a_1_3

get this and you can replace that ssd with it

[red jay]

do you think i still should upgrade?

[real lava]

why not?

if you need the extra storage

256 gigs isn't a lot

[red jay]

main thing that brought me to this, was earlier i was playing genshin impact, and i had my graphics set decently high, but, stuff took forever to load, like building textures. i asked why and they said if i have an HDD, loading times are slower

so that’s why i wanted to upgrade

[real lava]

you already have an ssd lul

[red jay]

but i’m still going to probably for the extra storage

well at the time i thought i didn’t

[real lava]

but if you want to upgrade for extra storage, it's fine too

for that problem, i think a ram upgrade could help

[red jay]

i have 8 gb

[real lava]

but the laptop has 2500u, which isn't that great

[red jay]

yea ik. but i can’t upgrade my whole laptop rn

my other laptop, intel core i3 10th gen

intel uhd 620 graphics

[real lava]

it could just be cause the ssd slowed down cause it got full

[red jay]

so more ram?

or more storage

idk how to replace the ram

[real lava]

two tabs holds the ram stick on its sides

you push it aside and it'll pop up

just like the ssd but without a screw

[red jay]

was it that?

[real lava]

The metal bits next to the ram

ya

It has one empty slot so you can add more easily

[red jay]

i’m gonna open a piece up again

that*

[real lava]

your bottom cover's already off

[red jay]

i just put it back on

[real lava]

hm

you put everything back on?

[red jay]

ive been spending the past 5 minutes putting all these screws in

yea my mom doesn’t know i did this

[real lava]

alright

[red jay]

i had to be quick

but that’s why i took pictures

[real lava]

fair lol

https://youtu.be/ki8U5XR4UYU

[red jay]

there’s this weird plastic piece preventing me from getting further in

[real lava]

this vid should explain well

oh it's a flap that protects ram from dust

you can flip it up

then it should open up the space

your budget for an ssd upgrade is 200, right?

an 8 gigs stick of ddr4 would fit in top of the 1tb ssd i linked

[red jay]

170 to 200

[real lava]

yeah 170 is still good

that ssd was like 98 bucks

[red jay]

would i slip the ram into the metal slot?

[real lava]

do as what the vid tells you

slot ram into the slot at an angle

then press it down

the metal arms should lock it in place with a click

[red jay]

Shoot

2 screws just fell on my rug

[real lava]

oof

[red jay]

now i’m missing the screw for the RAM cover and 1 for the back panel

[real lava]

whelp

[red jay]

now to turn on my laptop and make sure i didn’t mess anything up LOL

if it works ok i’m gonna be proud of myself

first time i’ve ever messed with the internals of a computer

[real lava]

imma look up the ram real quick and give you what's the most compatible

[red jay]

ale

alr

ayy it works

nice i didnt mess it up lo

heres this if needed

[real lava]

can you uh

use cpu-z?

and get to memory tab

im stuck reading the model on that ram's sticker

[red jay]

whats CPU Z

i have HW monitor lo

[real lava]

cpu-z is a program for lookin at cpu and ram info

hwmonitor works too

[red jay]

what do you need from it

[real lava]

just bring me the summary page, and look at memory

well, ram specs

wait hwmonitor, nvm

i mistook it for hwinfo

[red jay]

oh

ok send link to cpu z

[real lava]

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

[red jay]

oh its by CPUID

[real lava]

ya

[real lava]

alright thanks

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-DDR4-Laptop-Memory-CT8G4SFRA266/dp/B08C56KXQJ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3

closest it gets on amazon

[red jay]

why would i upgrade to the same amunt of ram

[real lava]

uh

[red jay]

if ima upgrade i wanna get more

[real lava]

you have one slot empty

[red jay]

OH

YEA

[real lava]

another 8 is 16

[red jay]

IM STUPID NVM

[real lava]

heh, it's okay

[red jay]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08F6W1WP3?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1 do i still get this SSD?

or one of the M.2's pato sent

[minor sun]

Go mp33 or Vulcan non-g

[red jay]

link

[real lava]

problem is his laptop has m.2 sata only

and no 2.5" bay

[minor sun]

Oh

[red jay]

yea

[real lava]

i sent him a wd blue m.2 sata

[minor sun]

WD blue time

[red jay]

whats WD blue lmao

is it bad

or good

[real lava]

wd is brand

[red jay]

oh

[real lava]

blue is the model

[red jay]

ok

[real lava]

also yes it's good

[red jay]

u never sent me it

[real lava]

hm

[minor sun]

Just going to say it beforehand, ms30 absolutely sucks

[real lava]

i definitely did?

[red jay]

can u send me the link again to the blue

[red jay]

whats MS30

[real lava]

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-NAND-1TB-SSD-WDS100T2B0B/dp/B073SB2MXT/ref=mp_s_a_1_3

this

m.2 sata

[minor sun]

8$ cheaper on wegg
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-1tb/p/N82E16820250092

[minor sun]

Ms30 is the crappy drive that shows up if you try to find the cheapest m.2 sata drive

[red jay]

meh idm

118.98 for 16 gb of ram, and 1tb of stoarge

storage

thats actually dope

way under budget

[real lava]

ya

[red jay]

and its surprisingly easier than i thought to upgrade yourself

i rlly hope my parents let me do this lol

[real lava]

good luck on that

[red jay]

i appreciate the help. i bookmarked the 2 pages

[red jay]

also 1 last thing, for the windows reinstall, would i make a backup of windows 10 onto my thumb drive, and use that to reinstall windows when i put int he new ssd

[real lava]

you mean creating install media?

[red jay]

mhm

[real lava]

if so, yes

[red jay]

i have 2 64 gb thumb sticks, so just put win10 install media on it

[real lava]

yep

you can use media creation tool on microsoft

[red jay]

how would i boot from the thumb drive tho, if there isnt any windows on the SSD lol

[red jay]

yep

[real lava]

you get into the bios

and choose the usb in boot override

[red jay]

alr

[real lava]

for acer it should be f2 key

iirc

or esc

it could be del

[red jay]

yea

well, ima talk to my dad when he gets home

[real lava]

alright

[olive glade]

On sale 8tb ssd

Price makes little sense but ok

I want it but same rime I'm like can I afford it..

[blazing musk]

Which ssd tho
It doesn't show in that pic

[subtle kestrel]

Which would you guys recommend, the crucialp2 for 83 or the p5 for 100

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

[digital solstice]

Hurts seeing 980 2tb on sale for $320 when I just copped this. Would have spent the extra $80 for my pc to be fast af.

[real lava]

it won't be that much faster tho

[sour wadi]

970 evo is actually better than the 980 tbh so

[real lava]

^

980 pro is the better one

but also far more expensive

[small carbon]

@red jay I was chuckling to myself thinking of being a bit nervous when I 1st simply swapped some ram in a few laptops. Here you are taking off the whole cover, rock on.

[real lava]

his laptop has no m.2 nvme support btw

that's why i gave him wd blue

it only takes sata for m.2

[small carbon]

Oh darn, interesting. Well that leaves lots of options, since any 2.5" normal ssd could be an alternate choice for the standard drive spot. Apparently 2.5" drives often don't come w/ the lil hold down screw, what the heck.

[real lava]

The laptop already has an ssd in it

He just wants to upgrade

And 2.5" slot is unusable cause the laptop lost its box

It has a bay that one can add on later down the line

If the laptop doesn't have a hdd from factory

[small carbon]

👍

[olive wadi]

p2 is garbage look at other options

[olive wadi]

doubt

if you're talking about the 970 evo+ yes

regular evo, going to say no

[sour wadi]

Evo plus sorry

[kind sierra]

Samsung drive names are almost worse than Intel's

[small carbon]

Samsung stuff definitely not well priced currently.
Ok idk if I should ask this here or in windows-and-software.
---Win7 currently, putting Win10 on a new sdd w/ win7 key. If something happened, could I pop hdd w/ Win7 right back in w/ no effect if this key was used on the other drive's Win 10? I know that was a long sentence. Thnx.

[last quail]

I have an Hp Pavilion 23- B017c and i have a WD500AAKX HDD drive I wanna replace it with SDD. Which SDD will be the match?

[small carbon]

Almost any "sata" 2.5" model such this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SK5BNM1

I tried to look it up, your pc is from Oct 2012. Win 7? Someone else might give better info* - edited, typos.
Generallly sata 2 & 3 is backward compatible & Win7 is fine w/ ssd's, Win10 is just a bit better I think.

[last quail]

Correct it has upgraded RAM and I have Win 10 64 bit. I was wondering to bust the performance of mine HDD

9 yr old but for little of $45 I can bust the performance. Is not like I do any gamming, etc. Do I have to do anything special in BIOS or on the motherboard?

[small carbon]

Not really if the ssd is the only 1 installed at one time. There is the matter of cloning the old hdd or something, unless you'll do a fresh install & keep hdd mostly as a backup. I can't see more pics of that pc, so not sure what the hdd/sdd bay looks like. Can't be really tough vs a laptop

[last quail]

I would like to transfer all files and operating system to SSD and remove my HDD. ITs quite easy my HDD is 3.5 " I can get in adapter plate 3.5 " and mount the SSD on it and install it in the bay where my HDD resides. Should be very easy from what I can tell. I was more worried about the mother board match, Bios etc, no really the hardware monting etc.

I think I will look into what you recommended and buy it then clone and see if it works. I will learn it by doing it I guess. Thanks for the info!

[subtle kestrel]

In the p5

[small carbon]

Yep. Ok good, you more well versed than I might've thought. It's all not too complicated. Can use macrium reflect free or somethin to close a hdd, might have to use a usb external enclosure for clone. Double check settings (less issue if new ssd same size), then it's most about waiting a few hours or so for the clone to finish. W/ only new ssd installed, pc just sees and uses that 1 drive so shouldnt really have to deal w/ bios at all maybe. 👍

[buoyant frigate]

What's a good sata ssd for gaming?

[dense merlin]

gold hynix s31

[buoyant frigate]

Do they not have a 2tb model?

[small carbon]

No, I don't think that model has a 1TB option.

[sour wadi]

Have you ran out of m.2 ports or just looking to save money?

[buoyant frigate]

Cheaper bulk storage.

I have 1 m.2 slot left on my gaming PC

[sour wadi]

Asking because crucial p2 same price as wd blue sata
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QggQzy/crucial-p2-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p2ssd8
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Mtprxr/western-digital-0-25-2000000rpm-internal-hard-drive-wds200t2b0a

Your choice i suppose

[buoyant frigate]

Sweet

Ty

[sour wadi]

Np

[buoyant frigate]

Ugh I gotta make a b&h or adorama account otherwise it's 183$ :(

[sour wadi]

If you cba https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nF8j4D/crucial-mx500-2tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000mx500ssd1

[buoyant frigate]

Ye i have one of those in my PC now actually lol

Nvm, that was a 1tb

[small carbon]

Well some prices sure change after yesterday, haha.

[stiff lava]

hey guys i got a 4TB hard drive and it seems a bit slow i was thining of splitting it up into 1 tb harddrives each is that a bad idea?

[pallid orchid]

The what

Like taking an axe and cutting it into 4 parts?

[stiff lava]

no partitioning it

thats funny though

[pallid orchid]

Partitioning doesnt make it faster or slower

Its still the same drive

And will perform the same

[stiff lava]

ahhh okay

[sour wadi]

you can kinda make faster by not storing as much on it, kinda ruins the whole point tho, apart from that go up in rpm or get a ssd instead

[stiff lava]

yeah thats fair but 80 cad for 4 tb was irresitable

[sour wadi]

oh nice

[red jay]

if i raid 0 two hard drives that have 100mb/s write speeds how much faster do you think i would get out of them

both 5400rpm

Nevermind

[latent schooner]

Would a nvme or sata drive be better for my laptop?

[karmic rock]

So, how exactly would I move the entire windows operating system from the HDD that my laptop came with to the SSD that has been newly installed for faster speeds?

The OS is windows 11

[upper quiver]

thats easy

fresh install windows 10

anyway

you can use macrium reflect

free version should allow you to create a disk image and deploy it to the ssd

[sour wadi]

Depends on what your laptop can fit

[latent schooner]

my laptop can fit nvme, sata or hdd (2"5 i think)

[sour wadi]

Okay then how much storage do you want, what country and how much you wanna spend?

[real lava]

best would be giving us info about the laptop's brand and model

[small carbon]

Just "found" my spare brand new 4 yrs old TB HD lol. Hooking up now to backup most installed Steam games, just in case. Next will be finally installing Win 10 (on a 250GB MX500)

[latent schooner]

australia, i would like 1tb and preferably less than $150 aud

[latent schooner]

acer nitro 5 with the i5 10300h and the 3060

[sour wadi]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c I'd grab this

[haughty bison]

Hello I have a compatibility question. I have a new build with this mobo z690 Gigabyte Aorus AX ELITE DDR4 and and currently have this drive in it. The mobo is not recognizing the drive at all. Also, this is clean install. My question is Isn't PCIe 4.0 backwards compatible with PCIe 3.0?

https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Item=9SIA12K8SS024

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J6BWK2Z?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details

mobo and M.2 drive in question.

[blazing musk]

Try another slot

Yes it's backward compatible

[haughty bison]

I've tried ALL of them

I'm thinking its a bad drive

[blazing musk]

Probably bad drive yeah

[haughty bison]

that would be a first for me with a Samsung

[blazing musk]

If possible you can try it on another pc, otherwise just exchange

[haughty bison]

I have a WD drive coming in a couple days I can for sure pin it on the drive then

[blazing musk]

Every brand gets occasional DOA

[haughty bison]

thanks👍

[small carbon]

Here's some old school new vs old HDD stats. Both WD10EZEX, bottom is my current main drive from 2013, top is from 2017 & brand new (just cut open the seal, lol). -- backing up some steam games, a few other things, then fresh installing Win 10 on an SSD finally.

[wooden wave]

I have a question if someone wouldn't mind to help me out

[pallid orchid]

!ask

[small steppe]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[wooden wave]

I'm getting a m.2 ssd today and I'm currently using an 8tb hdd, want to keep the hard drive, do I need to uninstall the os on my hdd before I can use the ssd to boot or can I just keep it on so I don't have to back up my files or whatever

[pallid orchid]

I assume ur mobo has sata hotswap?

[wooden wave]

tbh I'm not sure, it's a msi z390 a-pro

[pallid orchid]

If so then you can unplug hdd from motherboard and plug in the ssd. Then install windows and while ur in windows plug the hdd in and delete the windows folders off it

And the first efi partition

And the last ntfs partition

[wooden wave]

where would I find those to delete them?

[pallid orchid]

Disk manager

Itll be a pain tho

I recommend just formatting

[wooden wave]

I don't want to have to reinstall my stuff and don't have a external drive to move them to

any way I could avoid that?

[pallid orchid]

I told you the way

[wooden wave]

okay lol

[pallid orchid]

Its just gonna be way more pain then its worth

Because of folder ownerships

Deleting windows is not as easy as right click and delete

[wooden wave]

didn't know if I could just back it up online or something (didn't think I could)

and yeah I didn't expect it to be

[pallid orchid]

Easiest way would be to get a live linux bootable and booting to that while hard disk is plugged in and delete stuff

But u would need 2 pendrives to do that

One windows bootable and 1 linux bootable

[wooden wave]

I'll probably just go through the trouble of doing the first option tbh

[pallid orchid]

Since you dont have to worry about file ownerships and permissions on linux

It is as simple as right click and delete

[wooden wave]

nice lol

[pallid orchid]

And gparted makes deleting partitions easy as well

Yeah just do that

Grab 2 flash drives

Make a linux mint bootable on one

[wooden wave]

I have 2 flash drives

[pallid orchid]

And a win10 or win 11 bootable on the other

[wooden wave]

how big would said flash drives need to be?

[pallid orchid]

Plug everything in and boot to linux mint and delete stuff then boot win 10 and install

[pallid orchid]

8gb

[wooden wave]

okay I have 2 16gb so I should be good

[pallid orchid]

Although installed apps and programs will need a reinstall either way

Since registry keys are gonna be missing

And you cant export those over because drive paths will change

[wooden wave]

because it's a new os download I'm assuming?

[pallid orchid]

Yeah pretty much

So at that point just copy over important data to a flash drive and format everything and reinstall

[silent coyote]

@olive wadi https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09CGM6Q2Y/

thoughts

glorified e12

for $103

[minor sun]

Isn't it e16?

[silent coyote]

yes

E16 is a glorified E12

its an E12 with pcie 4.0 and overclocked

[minor sun]

Oh thought you meant like sm2258 or whatever

[silent coyote]

so it runs quite hot, doesn't really saturate pcie 4.0 at all, and barely has better randoms than the e12

[minor sun]

But yea

[silent coyote]

E18 is actually different

[minor sun]

E19t is where it's at

[silent coyote]

E19t is a glorified E13t
E16 is a glorified E12

E19t is wore than e12

e19t is cursed

[minor sun]

Yes, but big number big

[silent coyote]

true true

i was thinking of getting the gammix s70 blade

for $130

176L micron on it

and the ol innogrit rainier that windshields likes so much

[minor sun]

176l micron is great

[silent coyote]

the e16 drive is only $103 tho

thats so cheap

[olive wadi]

good

if that's 1tb

very good deal actually

[olive wadi]

BUFF E13T*

[silent coyote]

yeah for $103 i might just get it for the meme

but idk im kinda poor atm

[steady dawn]

hey does anyone know how much m.2 storage you can fit in a inspirson 15 5000 series 1tb ? 500gb?

@here

[sour wadi]

As long as it has a full size m.2 slot, 8tb

[steady dawn]

full size ?

[sour wadi]

M.2 2280

[kind sierra]

So many controllers, all of them use arm

There is sadness

[minor sun]

Those are all phison

[kind sierra]

Yee

It's easy, just slap a cortex core on and you're off to the races

It's just no fun

[minor sun]

Dunno what SMI or innogrit or realtek or Samsung or WD uses

Perhaps also arm cores

[kind sierra]

I know someone does risc v

Samsung was non-cortex arm iirc

On a side note, I want to run doom on an SSD

[minor sun]

Ono

[tawdry hedge]

what's u guys go to tools to test/burn-in a new eHDD ?
also nothing abnormal in the screenshot right ?

[sour wadi]

To test a new drive you can use crystal disk mark

Screenshot looks fine

[tawdry hedge]

thanks I meant stress testing in hope of detecting early failure
the drive package has dents, and came wrapped in just a plastic bag, zero cushion

and I hope this is regular speed

[sour wadi]

Not really a thing

Does the actual drive have dents? If not no worries

[tawdry hedge]

I've heard of shock failure

and "early infant mortality failure" and "bath tub curve" xD

still tho who th packages a HDD with just a plastic bag
worst ever from Amazon

[olive wadi]

you can see if there's a "pre clear" software for windows or something like that

if it's something that really worries you

might take a day for a drive that big though

[silent coyote]

hmm

670P for $80

[tawdry hedge]

ya I'm running some self test / surface scan for the first time, been running 7hrs, 1 left
so far so gud

[olive wadi]

what capacity?

if that's for 1tb that's pretty good

[silent coyote]

yeah 1tb

[olive wadi]

good deal for brand new

[small carbon]

yeah, very close to my "new" 1TB WD that has 64MB cache I think. (top pic, obviously. bottom pic is the 1 from 2013 & pretty full) -- your random write speeds are awesome.

[silent carbon]

to add more storage to a gaming laptop, the format should be an m.2? not too sure if they have their own special formats

i have the gigabyte 15p

pls ping me

[minor sun]

Depends on the laptop

[silent carbon]

https://www.aorus.com/laptops/AORUS-15P--Intel-11th-Gen/Key-Features

its this one

except it has a 240hz refresh instead of 360 (why would i need a 360 lol)

[kind sierra]

Intel drive sales are great

I got a 1TB 660p for something like 72 bucks

[tawdry hedge]

oof that sounds like a good price

[tawdry hedge]

thx for sharing 🕶️

and ya I was more concerned with the slow random read but ig that's normal

[olive wadi]

big

[small carbon]

Yep, those 2 random read spots are generally sub-3MB/s w/ normal 1-2TB hdds. This is why ssd is so superior as an OS drive, as I'll find out soon myself finally lol.

[kind sierra]

Also slow lol

But it works

[small carbon]

Well, seems to have dual m.2 nvme slots. Yes, means that's exactly what you look for , not Sata 6.

for future use, lol. (then ctrl + F and "storage) 🙂

[silent carbon]

thanks man. appreciate it

[silent carbon]

for future reference as well lol. thanks man

appreciate it

[small carbon]

No problem haha. Glad that laptop has more than 1 slot for ya. It's weird some don't since they're a good bit smaller than 2.5" ssd.

[silent carbon]

yeah my work laptop is like that

gave me a good jump too cause i forgot to look for 2280 and almost ended up ordering a 2260 instead

would have been sad short ssd

[small carbon]

Many desktop mobos can do 22110/22100, no doubt 2280 is the most common. 2260 is just because they were in cold water, haha. bummer.

[swift yew]

My friends, I have a question for you. I am trying to get a 4TB internal hard drive, but I don't know how fast they are or which one is worth my money. If anyone has any advice it would be greatly appreciated.

[small carbon]

https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Blue-Hard-Drive/dp/B08VH8R94B

[minor sun]

Grab a Toshiba x300 4tb

https://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-Performance-Gaming-3-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B099P9ZXVG/

[small carbon]

CMR, 256MB cache. That looks pretty good. I'd only need it if I were to install all 80ish of my games at once along w/ other data.

[toxic thicket]

I have a question
Why do people have 2 optical drives?

[small carbon]

1 reason perhaps reading from a disc and then easily copying to 2nd disc. It's been a while since I had dual optical drives though. Little need for a 2nd optical drives w/ usb stuff and such nowadays.

[blazing musk]

I put 3 into a RAID5 volume, so I get an increase in speed and error checking parity. They were free drives pulled from old computers, so a lot cheaper than spending $200 on a 2TB SSD.
You could put 2 into a RAID volume to effectively double your transfer rate and more than double your random speeds, but if either drive fails all your data goes poof.

[small carbon]

My 1TB MX500 was $160 ish I think a few years ago. I'm ok w/ that and the 250GB I also have (benchmark of that in windows-and-software). well Win 10 is going & activated nicely, woohoo. ah, I should DL the crucial program to check on the data provisioning or something.

[small carbon]

Crucial executive program was acting up , any other decent apps to check TRIM & stuff? Firmware already updated.

[blazing musk]

Crystal disk info

In my testing that was the only program able to read smart data through my usb/sata adapter so I've used it since

[small carbon]

thnx. Trim should be on w/ Win 10, but I'll get that program & check later after work. Ssd is currently only drive & on mobo port. I'll reinstall the crucial app also.

[small carbon]

Update: trim was indeed on the mx500 under win 10. --- other news, swapped back to win7 hdd to get some files & put a few more big files on the spare data/game hdd. 30MB/s transfer sometimes seems crazy low, but idk. 1hdd on sata 3 port, on sata 2 port. Shouldn't be a factor. --- Win 10 on ssd was working pretty well so far 🤘

[small carbon]

Recommended program for perfect clone of 250gb ssd to 1tb ssd? Macrium? Thnx

[dense merlin]

Macrium reflect is what is suggested but I had some issues with it

Prolly just the dying hdd we were cloning from tho

[small carbon]

Possible. Aomei backupper is 1 I came across. What's 1 or 2 others you've had success with?

[dense merlin]

Never tried any others

I'd try macrium first tho

Seems to be the most trusted

[small carbon]

Sounds good. I also had a thought to not clone & just hookup the big ssd as a game/big file backup drive like the extra hdd I'm using. That way this small ssd will be a decent os drive & stay less cluttered. 👍

[blazing musk]

Clonezilla
It's a text based linux os you boot from that walks you through the options

[plush crag]

macrium is much more user friendly than clonezilla

[small carbon]

Would be neat to try though perhaps, I have heard of clonezilla before. Macrium I used once or twice years ago when I only had a couple 500GB hdds. Yep, clonezilla seems to have quite a few settings. 😅 Thnx fellas.

[static fern]

De

[small carbon]

Update, still just using the 250gb ssd as boot w/ general stuff & a few benchmarks on it plus the game/data hdd. Gonna hook up the 1tb ssd as a highspeed game/data drive then switch over games that usually have long load times or such. I think I like having minimal important stuff on the os drive to worry about, & quicker reinstalls if needed.

[manic dagger]

This am M.2 slot right?

[minor sun]

Yes

[fleet geyser]

Hello! I just had a question pretaining to compatability for a ssd in my MSI GV62 8rd- 200. Im trying to figure out if a SAMSUNG 870 EVO Series 2.5" 1TB SATA III V-NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-77E1T0B/AM would work in it. The specs show the laptop has a 2.5 in. Hdd in it.

[minor sun]

Generally everything should be standard and therefore compatible, but do note if they note the drive as a specific thickness, as there are some extra thin drives made for laptops

[fleet geyser]

I think the specs had some size on it ill double check it

Im just coming back to fix it. It bricked about a year ago

Can i dm you the pictures of the specs page?

@minor sun

[minor sun]

Sure

[small carbon]

Yeah, laptop drives something like 7mm or 9mm thick & certain laptops can only hold the thinner ones.

[hollow stone]

as for C drive, is it worth upgrading to nvme pcie gen 4 from a gen 3

[pallid orchid]

Depends what gen 3 drive you have

But tbh unless its bottom tier gen 3 drive, you arent gonna get much perf

[hollow stone]

ok, i guess i can skip gen 4 for now. I have a 970 evo plus

[olive wadi]

no reason to upgrade for a long time

[red jay]

Would it be better to get a 250 SSD that's fast to install windows on, and 1TB for others like games etc

If this makes sense

[sour wadi]

Nah just get a boot 1tb ssd, 250gb ssds are like the same price as a 500gb ssd

[red jay]

Alright thank you

[sour wadi]

Np

[silent coyote]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-blue-sn570-1-tb/

cracked

[minor sun]

Damn okay

[small carbon]

Not bad. 250GB sure are nearly pointless these days.

[olive wadi]

B tier

[silent coyote]

impressive for dramless

[olive wadi]

not really

[silent coyote]

shame they didn't use the same magic on SN750

SE

[olive wadi]

what

the sn750-se isn't exactly that slow

[silent coyote]

its not as fast

as the SN570

in randoms

[olive wadi]

in what

what qd and block size

i mean i wouldnt be that surprised

the sn750 is horrible in small io performance though

[small carbon]

Gotta love the sales though, like the Sabrent Rocket of various models or the Hynix.

[quartz dagger]

what's the difference between mbr and gpt

[upper quiver]

not much, they both do the same thing for the most part

GPT is better tho, as it was designed as a replacement for MBR

[minor sun]

Gpt can do drives over 2tb

[small carbon]

Did gpt on my fresh install to a 250gb ssd for example. It's just newer/better than mbr that was common w/ sub-2TB hdds

[kind sierra]

Bye

[trim cloak]

hi

[outer pecan]

So i was curious would a 4TB drive be easier to damage from movement than a 2TB drive? My 2TB died so was looking for another one also any hard drive types recommended? The 2TB was a Seagate Barracuda

[small carbon]

I don't believe so. This 4TB is $95 is suggested often here. If you need a laptop hdd then I'd actually suggest an ssd. Hdds really don't like moving a lot when they're on, of course.

[outer pecan]

Thanks! Yeah no its for desktop

I just personally like hard drives better since i dont mind slow transfer speeds and then also they are still significantly cheaper for mass storage and then my hard drive got screwed up when i was moving around my case a lot trying to install my liquid cooler

[small carbon]

Righto. I just run a 250gb ssd for os & a 1TD hdd for now. X300 is what I'd get myself. 👍 I liked Western digital but this Toshiba has tons of cache & other good specs/feedback on it.

[outer pecan]

Alright cool

[waxen flame]

I am about to run out of space on my 1tb hdd drive as i put my games on it I use a 250 ssd for my os would I see a noticeable difference if I upgrade to a m.2 drive or another ssd to download my games on

[sour wadi]

Your games will download/update faster and you'll have lower loading screens, weather the price diff is worth it to you is personal

[golden hedge]

I've jumped on the M2 bandwagon on my laptop first and consider it essential now, man, just the boot times are worth it.

But that might be just me

[waxen flame]

are the prices of m.2 much more than just an ssd

[golden hedge]

Considerably enough that it's something to think about

[waxen flame]

what would be a good m.2 to look at 1 or 2 tb should be good

[golden hedge]

I've had good experiences with Samsung

Also unless you plan to download all your games to it, 1tb was good enough for my experience

With a conventional 2tb HDD on the side

Ideally you'd want your M2 to have free space too, because from what I recall they get slow-er when full. So, OS and a few games where'd you see a direct benefit from faster read speeds.

But don't quote me on the speed claim, since I am reasonably sure that's been fixed with nowadays ssd

[minor sun]

Usually not much more, sometimes even cheaper now

[minor sun]

On the cheap end, mp33, sn550, sn570, c710, helix L

[sour wadi]

Sometimes less

[sour wadi]

What's your definition of good, because even the pretty cheap ones are still good

[waxen flame]

well Im going to be coming from an hhd so I am sure almost anything will be a big increase but something that would be better than a sdd as make it worth while to go to a m.2

[sour wadi]

M.2 is just the form factor but assuming you're in the us
For 1tb: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c
For 2tb: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nF8j4D/crucial-mx500-2tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000mx500ssd1
Or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MTFKHx/sabrent-rocket-q-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rktq-2tb

[small carbon]

A plus to m.2 is no cables needed. That 2TB mx500 is decent price, but might as well go nvme like that Sabrent for only $15 more huh.

[opal rapids]

Hey I'm using my PC since more than a year. And I heard AMD Raid drivers and Storemi. Knowing that I have 1 NVME, 1 SSD, and 3 HDD is it a good idea to have RAID mode on or should I stay with AHCI.

[pallid orchid]

Ahci

[small carbon]

Don't need raid mode for a for various drives, might cause issues anyways.

[modern arrow]

Hello. I was directed here from the "general chat" to ask some questions about an old computer tower that I have been converting into a NAS home server. I have been contemplating getting a new HDD installed in it. The suggestion that
I received yesterday was to try to determine if it is connected via a SATA 2 or SATA 3 interface. Unfortunately, I was unable to determine this on my own but was able to get some information about it that could possibly reveal how it is connected. I can provide that information if it would be useful and would appreciate any additional feedback that could be provided. Thanks for reading!

[small carbon]

Use. Hwinfo, crystaldiskinfo , etc. Knowing if pc is sata2 or 3 would help when answers are given

Btw, sata 3 hdds are backwards compatible & also not held back by sata 2 speeds. Toshiba X300 is a great normal hdd, but many other options if you needed a nas-specific one. Others will chime in soon enough.

[modern arrow]

Thanks. The PC is old (I purchased it new in 2009). I am not really looking to increase the boot speed of the device since it is on all the time. I was thinking about a Seagate IronWolf 2TB HDD that is specifically made for NAS.

[small carbon]

If 09, sata 3 possible but unlikely, no issue for hdds. Tbh I'm totally unfamiliar w/ nas hdds. X300 is a desktop use model so scratch that perhaps.

[modern arrow]

Yes. This is an old desktop that I would be looking to mod further. Specifically, it is an HP Pavilion that I dropped a Linux Mint OS into earlier this year. It works pretty good but it crashes sometimes and the 500 GB HDD currently in it has some bad sectors that I feel could be contributing to that happening.

[small carbon]

Oh yeah, possible. Old hdds & os's are funky. Every time I fresh install my OS to a new drive, it feels like a big upgrade by itself, and few issues for a long while. --- edit. 'm not familiar w/ linux or using a nas also.--

[modern arrow]

The Linux Mint OS is very user friendly. I was surprised by that. I was able to get the downloads for it for free and boot right off a flashdrive to replace Windows Vista. The main issue I am trying to address is the crashing with it but being able to actively monitor the CPU temperature is something I have been considering too since I leave the device on all the time.

[small carbon]

Usb booting from vista era pc is good least, I have a vista laptop w/ old hdd I want to make useable, lol. I wonder if crashing was the os mainly. Hard to say. CoreTemp or RealTemp(older) are basic programs to monitor cpu temp, idk if that helps.

[modern arrow]

I will think about it. I was thinking about getting a LCD screen put into a 5.25" expansion bay that the computer has available to monitor temp. and control fan speed. Yesterday they told me being concerned about overheating probably isn't too much of an issue though.

But I would strongly recommend Linux Mint as an OS. It breathed a lot of new life into this old HP I keep talking about.

[small carbon]

Interesting. Would be neat to have a tiny screen for just temps. For nas I suppose cpu and/gpu is sub-30% usage, so indeed heat/power shouldn't be of much concern. More just some overall reliable airflow. I'll keep LM in mind. I was gonna do Vista to Win7, but need to decide on throwing in a certain spare drive or not. Obviously an ssd would be held back, but great for a moveable laptop. Hdd boottime is forever also after using an ssd. It's a hp dv6000 or dv6700.

[modern arrow]

I have noticed the difference between SSD and HDD myself since I just got a new PC that boots from a SSD. It does start up a lot faster. Given where the HP is currently at for myself I am probably prioritizing having more storage space over faster boot speed. It's main function these days is adding an additional layer to firewall protection which is the main reason I leave it on all the time.

I can't really comment on Windows 7, My new PC has a Windows 11 Insider Build on it and one of the reasons I got it was that Vista wasn't supporting much of anything anymore.

[small carbon]

Oh yeah, ssd big deal for boot drive, but not extra storage. I run 250gb ssd + TB hdd for now (+ old OS hdd). X300 is a great hdd, but smallest is 4TB ($95ish) & of course certain nas models might be better long term. Interesting bout firewall info, neat. Yeah, old laptop would get Win7 maybe (cant do Win10 possibly), while my desktop recently went from 7 to Win 10. Free upgrade & fresh ssd so I figured Win 7 wasn't really supported anyways. I'm not sure about security updates & such, Win7 just worked good for me & I have lots of older games. Plus, I'm lazy when it comes to modding my pc.

[modern arrow]

The Windows 11 Insider Build is nice but I am running into compatibility problems with some of my peripherals on my new PC with it. I think the SSD it boots from is about 250GB but it's also got a 1TB HDD in it for storage and gaming presumably.

From what I understand SSD is better for booting these days while HDD still offers more storage space. SSD also has less moving parts which some claim as being very advantageous since it makes it less prone to mechanical failure.

[small carbon]

Exactly. Some people say Win 10 stinks & Win 11 is so awesome, but it's too new. Still 3+ years of actual support, so I'm content. Yep ssd at 1+ TB still pricier than hdds, but infinitely better as boot drive. Overall more reliable, but the no moving parts deal to me is good for laptops. At least big hdds are priced well these days, could simply have a few 4TB models & be set.

It's the nvme stuff that's neat, and often similar price to "old" sata SSDs. I'll add, pcie 4.0 models are excessive as a boot drive. I don't have an m2 slot to try nvme yet, so we'll see eventually what it's like. Mx500 sata currently.

[modern arrow]

Yes. Windows 11 seems to have a ways to go which has been frustrating for me since i got a capture card installed in my new PC that it doesn't seem to want to work with. This has been a good conversation and I appreciate you talking with me. I should probably get going though! I will think about this conversation and try to determine where to take my custom NAS from here. Thanks for the feedback!

[small carbon]

Np. Bummer on the win11 quirks. Hope it gets better. Cya. GL.

[turbid torrent]

Didn't realize how slow the Samsung Evo line of microsd cards were

I just upgraded to a 400GB SanDisk ultra for my switch and it's literally double as fast read/write

[small carbon]

They seem fine to me, but I've only used 32/64GB ones in a few mid-range phones. Good to know on the SandSisk though. In other news, my boot drive write speeds are pretty ok still. Thought about moving just 2 or 3 specific games to playthrough, then replace w/ 2-3 others. Of course GTA5 will be one.

[open gazelle]

Anyone know if there is usually a tamper sticker over the black screw on the top left of Samsung 870QVO SSDs? Am getting one Open Box and this is my first check in making sure it wasnt opened for SMART reset.

[upper quiver]

google images seems to think theres no sticker there

[open gazelle]

Yeah, talked a bit to others as well. Seems like that was the consensus

Didnt think there would be much images that say so. Terms out there're lots of google images/reviews that actually show that stuff

[outer saffron]

Hard Drives are the closest thing we have to advanced steampunk technology

That is all

[blazing musk]

No one tell him about liquid nitrogen pots

[small carbon]

Hdds still superior for cold storage of important info/backups.

[blazing musk]

M-disk is best for long term storage. Looks like a dvd but has a life span around 1000 years.

Magnetic media like tape drives and hard drives will eventually demagnetize.

[small carbon]

No kidding, I didn't know. Huh, m-disk sounds interesting too. Estimated time till hdds demagnetize, is it 40+ years, but powering then up sometimes might help?

[blazing musk]

There's an earth magnet in every hard drive. They'll eventually demagnetize, making the drive unable to work properly. On top of that, all the stored bits on the platters are electrical and will eventually discharge, probably in about 3-5 years on a shelf. 10 if you're lucky.

[small carbon]

No kidding?* I better hookup an older hdd & copy stuff to a newer "spare" drive. Soon enough I'll backup to 1 or 2 ssds as well. Good to know.

[kind sierra]

No they aren't

This is
https://youtu.be/fzI9FNjXQ0o

[small carbon]

Yeah Fal'cie just updated my old school thought. I'll check that link in a min

[mild sluice]

I have a couple and can confirm

[olive wadi]

how

what

there is no steam involved

are you higher than a giraffes private parts

[real lava]

lmao

[outer saffron]

There's no steam cuz I smoked it all >.>

[red jay]

Samsung 980 Pro vs WD Blue sn550, which one is more reliable?

[sour wadi]

980 or 980 pro?

980 pro whoops sn550s ass but the price difference could tell you that

If you mean regular 980, I'd rather get the sn550 for the better rand

[small carbon]

1TB or 2TB? Neither though: Reliable isn't usually a concern w/ most SSD's w/ a decent track record https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09HKDQ1RN?th=1

[warm valley]

does anyone here know for certain which companies/product lines/models have yet to engage in parts bingo for their drives?
I'm pretty sure there was an m.2 WD drive that did it, but I haven't checked back in with that since then.
Was there an m.2 Samsung that did it later too?
I'm beginning to think it's mostly M.2s that partake in parts bingo but SATAs might have been too so that thinking might be wrongheaded
(I don't think this is relevant but just fyi I'm looking for 2TB for around $180 but hopefully no higher. speed is not a major concern as long as it's not worse than a Samsung 860 EVO, parts bingo is just a major feelsbad™️ and I don't want to accidentally support it).

[minor sun]

SN550 did it, Samsung 980 did it, P34A80 did it, SX8200 pro did it, prob some others I'm forgetting

[minor sun]

Pilot e 2tb at 200$ for a simple e12 drive
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RF4DTR4
Mp33 2tb at 180$ for a cheap e13t drive
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-2tb/p/N82E16820331431

[kind sierra]

Lots have, I'd be surprised if there was a big company that hasn't changed the spec of a drive at this point. The main thing is how the part swapping affects the performance of the drive

[warm valley]

Right, my performance needs are not that stringent, so as long as parts bingo doesn't turn it into bargain bin e-waste it will most likely work well enough. I just don't want to pay normal price for bargain specs and I certainly don't want to reward their behavior.

[warm valley]

Thanks for the help! Know of any SATAs that did it? I don't recognize Mushkin and I've never heard anything about Teamgroup (I know but reputation and supply chain knowledge aren't worthless). Know anyone with experience with those drives? Any reason why I would want to go for a brand I know more than those (Like a Samsung drive without that a parts bingo history) or does it really not matter?

[sour wadi]

Whatever you do avoid adata, they were the worst for swapping parts

[warm valley]

by worst, do you mean they did it to a lot of their products? Or are you just referring to a single model of theirs getting particularly bad parts bingo treatment?

[sour wadi]

ik they did it a load with the sx8200 pro theres like 5 or 6 unofficial versions of it with drastically different performance

[warm valley]

lmao, damn, that's quite the raffle

[fierce axle]

hey lads would you pick a $89 500GB 970 evo plus or a $155 1TB same model

i have a build thats sitting at 1550 aud on pc part picker, and i was wondering if the 1tb m.2 is too much

cuz i have a 4tb 6ps hdd sitting around for mass storage

[pallid orchid]

Thats for you to decide

We cant decide for you

[fierce axle]

oh dont pull that

what would you go in that situation

[pallid orchid]

Id go with something like a 500gb sn550 or something similar for boot

And games on hdd

[fierce axle]

fair

[sour wadi]

neither, either get a 1tb sn550/mp33 or get a 1tb sk hynix p31 gold for the premium end

ohh aud....

[fierce axle]

Yeah...

[sour wadi]

if going 500gb
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/wPqBD3/kingston-kc2500-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc2500m8500g
for 1tb
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c
for 1 tier up 1tb
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/D3Dkcf/kingston-kc2500-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-skc2500m81000g

[small carbon]

Few games on ssd & I'd pick the 500GB. Many older games hardly benefit from ssd besides the main loading times. 👍

[outer pecan]

Would a NAS hard drive work for a desktop hard drive?

[kind sierra]

As long as it's sata

[small carbon]

Of course, but might be 5400rpm while most desktop hdds are 7200rpm.

[kind sierra]

What?

[small carbon]

huh?

[kind sierra]

Where'd that information come from?

[warm valley]

does running an m.2 in 2x vs 4x have all that big an impact on normal m.2s? I get that it's half the bandwidth but is it like a pcie situation where most normal/affordable m.2s barely use half of 4x if at all so going to 2x wouldn't do much?

[small carbon]

I'm gonna say mostly not, because outright bandwidth of an sdd doesn't automatically effect latency drastically. Also, I will add a pic: I'd think running at x2 will mostly just hold back some of the fastest ssds & obviously not quite get their maximum performance.

[warm valley]

awesome so it's basically what I'd hoped.
I'm assuming I can just set 2x in my bios and I don't have to look for a specific kind of m.2
(I'm running out of space and apparently, I'm using all of my SATA ports but I don't lose sata_56 if I get an m.2 and set it to 2x)

[kind sierra]

I'd avoid getting one with HMB if possible

[warm valley]

yikes no dram? that's a thing? thanks for the tip

[minor sun]

I mean, depends

[small carbon]

new SN570 or 750 or something is dramless, but still did ok overall. I'd still skip them. Interesting you can set a slot to 2x. Yeah that should be fine for ya. it's like setting a GPU to run at x8 or x4 instead of x16. Older reviews did that

[outer pecan]

Alright well i was looking at a 4TB anyways and most of those seem to be 5400

[small carbon]

If you did want a 7200 rpm desktop drive though, Toshiba X300 is a great pick. Smallest one I think is 4TB, $95ish

[fierce axle]

Alright ill keep it in mind

[outer pecan]

Alright thanks i might go with that

[compact cape]

Finally got an M.2😂 sn750 se should be a nice little boot and drivers drive

[compact cape]

Yeah should be nice and fast

[sour wadi]

@signal garden one more here not gone yet

[pallid orchid]

M.2 is NOT like saying sata

At all

M.2 is a connector

Sata is a protocol

You can do sata over m.2

Or nvme over m.2

[blissful night]

^^^^

[pallid orchid]

Sata ssd is perfectly accurate

It can be either a 2.5" sata or a m.2 sata

It is still using the sata protocol tho

Not much difference between the 2 except form factor

But with saying m.2 ssd, it can make massive differences

Since nvme m.2 is around 4x as fast as sata m.2

[kind sierra]

Or a 3.5" sata, but you don't really see that for consumer SSDs

Sata isn't a connector though

[outer bane]

Its all really Satas fault SATA-IO the organization not to be confused with SATA the interface protocal or uSATA the connector lol

[small carbon]

Exactly. Not like m.2 sata is common anyways, but that's good. Simply using 1 or 2 cablea less isn't huge to me. It's awesome much nvme stuff has gotten price parity to (certain) "sata" ssds.

[tulip bramble]

So im transfering an ssd to my other pc but now it keeps saying "A device which soes not exist was specified." when trying to initialize. Any ideas?

[kind sierra]

@sage spade Please no discussion in #tech-deals, you can ask about your WD mycloud here if you want though

[tulip bramble]

Put back in other pc and works just fine.

[kind sierra]

Does it show up in the windows drive/partition manager?

[tulip bramble]

Shows up but cant initalize.

[kind sierra]

Interesting. What drive is it on the old system?

[tulip bramble]

Drive d. I was transfering it over to a different build to put the os on it instead of the hdd like it original was.

I ended up swapping the os to an hdd which was a mistake obviously lol.

[kind sierra]

Yeah, that's gonna be a bit slow

[tulip bramble]

Yeah, i figured it would be okay for what the pc was being used for but its not.

[olive wadi]

i am the pee pee poo poo man lol

[warm valley]

Does anyone know if the Sabrent Rocket 2tb was found to engage in deleterious parts swapping?
Also does anyone know if there is a list for all the drives with parts swapping problems?
Maybe I've got the wrong terms but this stuff has been surprisingly hard for me to search for

[small carbon]

Hmm, I'm curious about that.

[kind sierra]

Probably most drives have swapped parts at some point

As far as I know all the important parts on the rocket are unchanged in the past few years. @olive wadi have you seen anything?

Last reported change I see was in 2019 with updated firmware on the controller and (maybe?) less cache. Doesn't look like there was a major performance impact

Also rocket q looks like they switched out for a newer nand chip

[olive wadi]

80% of the time part swaps dont matter

sabrent rocket probably is using e12s instead of regular e12 now

but who cares, literally the same controller bar some irrelevant differences

[warm valley]

Rightright, I'm after that 20% where it's significantly deleterious. I obviously don't want to pay full price for less

[olive wadi]

theres only a few examples of relevant downgrades i can think of

sx8100, cs3030, crucial p2

not going to count the sn550 😎

[olive wadi]

never heard of this but ??? epic?

its imft 96l qlc, so not many options they couldve switched too thatd be newer

[kind sierra]

I think that'd be what they switched to

[olive wadi]

unless they got 144L or bics5 but both those seem unlikely

[olive wadi]

iirc thats what they started with

[kind sierra]

Maybe, I thought it was originally 64 layers

[warm valley]

I'm mostly concerned about the Rocket, I've heard that I should be going for TLC over QLC but I'm not at all solid on the pros and cons of each technology

[kind sierra]

TLC is faster and lasts longer, but is more expensive and you can't fit as much storage on a chip

[warm valley]

That simple? Dope.

[kind sierra]

There are more technical things too, but for consumers that's the important bits

[glad oxide]

yay or nay?

500gb SSD from Samsung is like 10-15 € less so makes no difference

currently, 500gb on my HDD is enough, but since 1tb costs a few bucks more than 500gb, why not?

[sour wadi]

Nay, I'd get this instead if you have a free m.2 slot
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c
Or if you need a 2.5" drive
Then sure get the samsung

[glad oxide]

my MB still has ddr3

no m.2 slot

[sour wadi]

If you want 500gb just get this
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/ft8j4D/crucial-mx500-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct500mx500ssd1

[glad oxide]

my hdd is pretty old and it lags whenevet I die in cs

[sour wadi]

Yeah hdds are alright for having games on, but when you put your OS on them it sucks

[glad oxide]

is it as good as the samsung one?

[sour wadi]

Yeah

[glad oxide]

how much is the 1tb one?

because I would rather buy it from a local store that has electronics

[sour wadi]

More than the Samsung

[sour wadi]

No real point tbh

[glad oxide]

Faster, dont have to pay for shipment

no probability of it being lost or damaged while shipping....

[real lava]

Shipping is safe enough imo

I haven't had such problem myself

Just delayed shipping

[glad oxide]

and I could also return it in no time

[real lava]

SSDs rarely have any problems

Also you could always get a refund if ya wanna return

[glad oxide]

also payment

I can't pay online with my debit card

[real lava]

rip

[glad oxide]

idk

[dull vigil]

is there a free way to copy/migrate windows to an nvme?

minitool i have to pay and same for another one.

[real lava]

macrium reflect

or you can go into your ssd's support page

most cases they should have migration tool

especially wd, samsung, crucial and such

[sour wadi]

What that's weird?

[glad oxide]

i tried buying nitro and it didn't work

neither did steam

[dull vigil]

i got it but thank you!

[sour wadi]

You should probably talk to your bank about that then lol, how do you pay for your phone bill lol

[glad oxide]

online payments only

[sour wadi]

Huh? You just contradicted yourself their mate

[dull vigil]

now my next question, is there a way to get games and other folder from the nvme to my ssd?

or just have to uninstall/reinstall

[sour wadi]

Drag and drop onto your new storage device, you'll need to just tell steam/epic/battle.net the location of the folder on the new drive

[dull vigil]

ohh ok i didn't think it would be that easy, thanks!

[sour wadi]

Np

[small carbon]

Good, it's not recommended since debit card is often like a more direct link to a bank account VS a credit card. Certain credit cards have 1+ % back (i have a card for 5% back on certain websites

[sour wadi]

Credit cards can have some protections sure but if you're unsure about the sites security then you're better off just using a single use card service like revolut or privacy.com or something especially outside the us where credit cards are needed to take out loans lol

[small carbon]

Good point. Yes indeed. I use paypal or the big sites, but indeed some sites can be sketch. A decent deal in a local store would fun. No waiting is the biggest thing.

[floral sun]

So i just installed a new nvme ssd, and currently in device manager it's saying that it's installed but on Explorer, in devices and drives, i'm not able to format it? Anyone have a clue as to why this is happening?

[spare carbon]

Do I need to turn off my computer and retry putting in the M.2 because it’s not showing up in BIOS right now

I’m not tryna put my OS on something else

[sour wadi]

open up disk manager it should let you initialise it then it should work

[sour wadi]

right click the black bit and hit format

[floral sun]

My only option is New Simple Volume

Ah alright I see it

[olive wadi]

hdds can affect gaming performance with several titles

mildly affects average FPS, more severely affects frametimes

[sour wadi]

huh thought it was just loading times

[floral sun]

Ty so much again Pato you're always saving my ass 😂

[sour wadi]

np

[small carbon]

Several modern titles*, I figure. Yeah, when using various drive files? Makes sense anyways. Glad many older games don't "take advantage"/need ssd because hdds are still much cheaper at 2+ TB models. If no games, I'd be fine w/ a couple 250gb ssds.

[knotty drum]

WD Blue SN550 1TB High-Performance M.2 PCIe NVME SSD, with up to 2,400MB/s read speed https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YFFX5MD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apan_glt_fabc_4TK7D6R5KZ85RK0F7PFT?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 this good sdd by any chance ?

And also should I move my games from my hard drive to it?

[small carbon]

Yeah, tech Pato just mentioned it in another thread earlier. I'd say start w/ games that have long load times, and certain games that use a drive a lot while playing. Tons of older games are fine on a HDD.

[kind sierra]

General rule of thumb is to put your favorite games or the ones you play most option on the SSD

[jovial dirge]

so everyone is begging me to put an SSD in my computer, any good ones to start with? ive heard 1TB is a pretty good size for one

[small carbon]

Pato, SN550 vs SN570? They're very similar price.

[small carbon]

Look up the WD SN550 to start. $85ish 1TB or 500GB for $43, your choice. ssd as boot drive alone makes the biggest difference, then you can move over w/e games/programs/files that can really use the extra speed. https://www.amazon.com/Blue-SN550-1TB-NVMe-Internal/dp/B07YFF3JCN?th=1
https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-sn550-nvme-500gb/p/N82E16820250134
There are so many options though it's crazy, even if you said max budget of $120ish. Sabrent Rocket is good, Samsung 870 Evo Plus I think, SK Hynix, and bunch of others I'm not familiar with. Certain 500GB models are priced much higher than others.

[jovial dirge]

Awesome

85 bucks sounds great tbh

[small carbon]

1/2 price of the 1TB mx500 (sata) I bought a couple years ago. ssd's definitely weren't a thing to rush into if on a budget 😅 🤘 - Even a sata model blows away a hdd though, for sure. 2 min boot to 20 second, at least

[jovial dirge]

Yeah, the thing is I’m already planning on a case and a set of splitter cables and an RGB controller which is already 250 bucks ish, I may hold of in the SSD for a little while longer, idk

[small carbon]

current hdd(s) size?

[jovial dirge]

1TB

[small carbon]

tbh I'm currently using a 250GB w/ certain games on it and it's good. old 1TB OS + stuff still hooked up. Could just do the 1/2 price 500GB w/ a fresh install like I did. (250 GB models aren't much cheaper obviously)

[jovial dirge]

I’d defenetly do a 500 gig for 49 bucks

Seems like a no brained

[small carbon]

I do highly recommend an ssd boot drive. Quick boot alone should be super noticeable. Everything opens up better. Should be even nicer since it's not sata or using a 2012ish mobo + cpu like me. (for now, z590 on route)

[jovial dirge]

Yeah I went from 2012 stuff to a B450 board lol

Like FX6300 and GT710 to an R5 5600X and RX580

So booting up would be a lot shorter?

[kind sierra]

570 is a kinda rare find, they don't seem to make very many for consumer space. Nice drive

[jovial dirge]

Like rn it takes a few minutes

[small steppe]

GM 2 Ton Specialist | DaveBeee#7165 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[jovial dirge]

And it could take less than 20 seconds?

[small carbon]

This one? Just used amazon because it showed both easily

[kind sierra]

Nice

[jovial dirge]

If that is still there by next Saturday I may buy it

[small carbon]

I know a few newer models are dramless* or something but not sure which. Sometimes it also isn't a factor to speed apparently.

[kind sierra]

Both the 550 and 570 are dramless

[small carbon]

Yep, looks like regular price even. Yes again, 20ish second boots. That's what I get w/ my old 250GB sata one at least.

[kind sierra]

My laptop boots in about seven seconds, four of which are from bios

[small carbon]

Well good to know Bob. I saw a review a while back about a dramless one but it did well in usual tests. sn570 might be "faster" in big sequential files than sn550 but it seems that usually the higher speed drives generally run a bit warmer also.

[kind sierra]

Nothing wrong with running warm, pretty much any gen 3 drive will be fine with passive cooling

sn570 has better nand, that's the big thing

Probably a better controller too now that wd swapped the sn550 controller out

[small carbon]

Worth $7 extra? @jovial dirge take notice perhaps

[jovial dirge]

7 dollars extra for what?

[kind sierra]

I'd say $50 for a 500gb sn570 is a good deal

[jovial dirge]

Me too ig

[kind sierra]

Alternatively the MP33 is $45 from Amazon

Slightly worse drive, but still decent

[jovial dirge]

Yeah, I think the SN570 would be a nice choice

[kind sierra]

Agreed

Hey @olive wadi, I found something interesting on pcpp. They have a separate listing for an sn750 rev2. You see anything about that?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vfC48d/western-digital-wd_black-sn750-rev2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wdbrpg5000anc-wrsn

The product pages it links to look like they're just a normal sn750, not really sure what's up

[small carbon]

yeah maybe warranty or something will be better than something else that only ships from amazon but is "sold by So and so".

[jovial dirge]

I guess I shall post what I’m looking at getting then, I’m upgrading in stages lol

Went from a 400 dollar prebuilt and am gradually making it nicer

[kind sierra]

Nice

[jovial dirge]

Basically this stage is gonna be:
Phanteks P500A
Phanteks RGB Controller
2 3 way 4 pin splitter cables to plug into the controller
WD Blue SN570 500 Gig SSD

Next stage will be Perefrials hopefully, and a Bluetooth chip thingy for the mobo

I wanna go wireless

[small carbon]

Right on. good case. When/if doing like mobo/cpu/ram, that sort of stuff is smart to get together sooner than later to make sure it's all kosher (A-ok).

[olive wadi]

neat

will look into it

[kind sierra]

Hoping they made something better

[olive wadi]

possible bics4 or bics5 variant? 😪

[pale anvil]

If I put a sata 3 ssd in a sata 2 port would it still work

[small carbon]

Yes it should, just max speed is basically cut in 1/2, that's mainly just moving/copying huge files as far as I know. I'm curious if it feels fine in general use.

[pale anvil]

Ah it should be better than hdd though right

[small carbon]

No doubt, big time. You still should have 20-30 second boot and the great "random" file speed that's helpful in day to day use.

[real lava]

20-30? ehhh

Still less than that actually

10 is possible

Sure sequential gets cut but booting doesn't care about that too much

Randoms matters more if sequential is ok enough

[turbid torrent]

It does. I've done lots of core 2 quad windows 10 machines with SSD upgrades. Surprisingly fluid and snappy, don't even notice the CPU or disk speed.

[hasty loom]

I’m using a straight sata cable for my hdd over a 90 degree one. Does that make a big difference?

[sour wadi]

Just shape of the sata cable

[pale anvil]

so if i get like a sandisk sata ssd wil it fit in one of these

[sour wadi]

As long as it's sata 2.5" and not m.2 sata

[small carbon]

White port is preferred (sata 3)

[arctic turret]

which ssd form factors do you prefer: m.2 or 2.5”?

i use m.2 for boot and 2.5” for storage

and a 3.5” hdd for extra mass storage

[small carbon]

M.2 partly for no cables, for sure as boot & also some storage if it's certain 1-2TB models that are very close price to the 2.5". 2.5" does run much cooler, possibly useful sometimes. Also 2.5" sort of has better durability w/ it's case & easily hooked up to another pc w/ a simple adapter. Of course 3.5" HDD for mass storage while it's still often $20-25 per TB.

[eager oyster]

im setting up a new hdd and im having trouble initializing it can anyone help

[arctic turret]

that's good in terms of figuring out different drawbacks and benefits

[sour wadi]

Search for disk management in windows, it should show up as an empty drive and just format it

[compact cape]

Thoughts on intels 660p been recommended it as a storage device for my games instead of getting a sata

[small carbon]

It uses qLc so idk. Quite a few m.2 drvies for $85-95/TB (SN550, Sabrent Rocket at times). Indeed skip sata unless it's a big cheap drive (or a 4+ TB hdd that's obviously only $20-25/TB)

[compact cape]

Looking to get something 2tb

[small carbon]

Good, but gotta glance around because GB/$ is sometimes worse than the 1TB models, which I don't accept

[tiny totem]

I got a NAS with two N300 toshiba drive and when I press the power button it turns on for about a second then turns right off, I've already returned the first hdd I got when I tried the first time but it's the same issue now, any ideas? I can send the list if it's easier

[kind sierra]

It's good for budget storage when it goes on sale

[compact cape]

Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB for £204 down from £439 worth it?

[small carbon]

Good drive & decent sale price. Hynix p31 is another great but unsure of current price for you

[compact cape]

got some good sales atm the Sabrent 2TB Rocket gen 3 is £189 from £300

[minor sun]

I mean, those are all just prices where they should be at from what they were at on launch

Evo plus 2tb at 439 is like launch day price from 2 years ago

So the prices are good, but the sale isn't as good as what the prices might lead you to think

[compact cape]

i got the samsung aha

[sour wadi]

Big fat meh, priced poorly and slows down the more you store on it basically

[hasty trench]

If wanting bulk ssd storage, for a while now you could get a Samsung 870 QVO 8TB for $630

If you buy from samsung.com

[minor sun]

tbh for 8tb most people would just take a HDD and a 8tb HDD has been around 140$

[hasty trench]

Fair, but if ya don't want hdd noise it's not too pricy per TB

[red jay]

Hdd noice? You guys can hear it???

I got a 4tb and all I hear is my keyboard and mouse most of the time

[small carbon]

If hdd can be heard over average case fans, there might be an issue w/ it. I barely & rarely hear my (single) hdd.

[red jay]

same I got a single one

[hasty trench]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-sells-ssds-business-to-sk-hynix-new-solidigm-subsidiary-planned?utm_source=notification

[real lava]

that's been old news tbh

[compact cape]

Hdd noise is very annoying ats all I hear ramping up and down in my pc hence why I'm getting rid of them

[unique loom]

I bought a 2 TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, it didn't come with a SATA cable so I bought my own however that SATA cable does not work even thought it is plugged in.

I purchased this SATA cable: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Black-Premium-Braided-Sleeved/dp/B07L68MNTR/

And this HDD https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-BarraCuda-Internal-Drive-Cache/dp/B07H2RR55Q/WNrPXRydWU=

I suspect because it is the wrong type of SATA cable; just need some confirmation

There are two little like, plugs(?) on the HDD and this one plugs into the smaller one

When it needs to plug into the big one?

Just double checked, it's all plugged in right so IDK

[real lava]

Have you plugged in sata power cable yet?

The sata power cable should come from the psu

And if modular, there should be a cable for at least one drive

[unique loom]

I don't think I ever did that..... Yikes!

I will go do that now, I know the cable you're talking about just thought it was useless

[real lava]

Haha, well mistakes happen

[unique loom]

Really hate to ping you, I plugged in the SATA power cable and it still doesn't show up.

Not sure what I did wrong exactly

[real lava]

Hmn

Does it show up in the os?

[unique loom]

Well if I go to Devices and Drives, nothin but my other one

Is there a specific place on my PSU I need to plug it in? I just had a spare 6 pin connector so I put it there.

My psu is the phanteks AMP 600W

[real lava]

Is it the sata power one?

Just wanna make sure

[unique loom]

In the power supply, its plugged into the Sata/PCiE port

It looks right to me

[zenith arch]

Hey so I am thinking about getting a 1 terabyte m.2 ssd and don't know what wouldbe best for about 120 usd I was looking at the Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB

Also don't know if this is the right channel

[red jay]

Hey are you still having this problem?

And is it newly bought? Not ever used?

[unique loom]

Nah, just had to format it lol

Didn't think about that

[red jay]

Yeah I was about to show you how to lol

[small carbon]

That or 1 of the upgrades to the sn550. I forget all these models. Sabrent rocket is good. Oh yeah, SK hynix p31. 3.0 or not, beats most pricier models unless you only care about sequential speeds.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08DKB5LWY

[red jay]

I had this for storage, pretty good no issues

[sour wadi]

SK hynix p31 gold is 125, I'd go with that

[pale anvil]

sorry if this is asked a lot but would 240 gigs be enough on an ssd

i have other storage i just need an ssd to make the boot times bearable lol

[sour wadi]

Yes but buying a 240gb ssd these days isn't worth it because for around the same price or like 5$ more you get a 500gb drive

[pale anvil]

ok

[sour wadi]

You need a 2.5" or can you do m.2?

[pale anvil]

i have a potato without an m.2

http://www.findlaptopdriver.com/0krc95-dell/

my mobo

[jovial dirge]

It’s okay, I have a midrange ish unit with no SSD yet

[sour wadi]

Cheapest good ssd 240gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7YQRsY/adata-ultimate-su800-256-gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-256gt-c
500gb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6G9tt6/team-t-force-vulcan-g-512-gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tg512g3c301
Usually the jump isn't that much so up to you in this case

[pale anvil]

thank yo

[sour wadi]

Np

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zZJmP6/team-mp33-256-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6256g0c101
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zFK2FT/western-digital-blue-sn550-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds500g2b0c
If you could use m.2 this is why i said 240gb not worth, like 7$ more like double the storage

[pale anvil]

lol thanks

do these drives have any downsides

like i saw someone talking about drives getting slower with time

cause ive personally nver heard of adata before

[sour wadi]

The su800 ultimate is good

[pale anvil]

thansk

is this good too

[sour wadi]

Nope

I linked the cheapest good ones as of now so

[pale anvil]

ok big thank

[sour wadi]

Np

[hasty trench]

avoid silicon power as a brand

[sour wadi]

No

They make some good and bad stuff just like all brands

[hasty trench]

their 3200mhz ddr4 2x8gb ram broke, their microSD broke and their sata ssd broke for me

so i avoid them

[sour wadi]

What do you mean it broke?

[hasty trench]

as in after a few months it failed to register as plugged in

even after switching ports

RMA and same result after a few more months, i got bad luck ig

[sour wadi]

That's just bad luck then

[zenith arch]

ty i will go with the SK hynix p31

[kind sierra]

https://cultists.network/2960/corsair-releases-the-mp600-pro-xt-ssds/
@olive wadi older news, but I just now picked up on it. Improved MP600 pro with micron 176 layer TLC

[olive wadi]

yea i knew about it 😎

[kind sierra]

Micron 176 is really doing well

What would your thoughts be for adding a band column to the tier list?

[minor sun]

Might be worth adding notes for good nand

[small carbon]

this? big heatsink. dont ask me about the dutch/german, lol.

[sour wadi]

Yes chonky

[small carbon]

Oh, I wonder if it would fit in slot 2 of certain mobos behind the GPU?

[kind sierra]

Probably

[red jay]

I have a External SSD, I want to use as a storage device on my computer but it dosnt seam to always have it open like my last hdd had, for example me constantly having to re-sign into steam, while my last hdd always had steam up and ready

[manic dagger]

m.2 drive is not being detected by bios, help

this is what I see

on B460M

[minor sun]

Uh it's detected in M.2_1 as a M480 1tb there, what you're mousing over looks to be either some optane thing or raid thing @manic dagger

[manic dagger]

when i got into storage tho in windows i dont see a third drive

[minor sun]

Did you initialize it in disk manager?

[manic dagger]

how do i do that hehe

[minor sun]

Go into disk manager, right click the disk, initialize and then format

[manic dagger]

graci thx, quick q while ur here: should i enable windows gaming mode, i find not being able to pull up search annoying but dont wanna sacrifice too much perf

[minor sun]

Whatever windows Xbox integration thing they have, it doesn't help

[real lava]

gaming mode

nah

it does nothing

sometimes even loses perf

[wispy flint]

Any hard drive deals at the moment anyone know of?

[sour wadi]

For what size?

[wispy flint]

2 tb

[sour wadi]

And country as well?

[wispy flint]

United States Of America

[sour wadi]

This is a nice drive
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jd8j4D/western-digital-blue-2-tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezaz

[wispy flint]

Thanks

And are artic fans good

[sour wadi]

Np

Yeah p12s and p14s are great

[wispy flint]

Ok

Are they quiet

[sour wadi]

yeah

[wispy flint]

Ok

[sour wadi]

almost as good as noctua a12x25s

[wispy flint]

Ok

Also

Does anyone have a image representation of where I put 4 fans and a cpu cooler in a pc to maximize airflow? Thank you