storage-devices

[dense merlin]

There's a different issue that I'm having tho

Windows isn't recognizing my hdd anymore

It's plugged in, I checked that

So is the power cable

I doubt it died, I can feel the disc moving in it

[sour wadi]

Restart Windows

[dense merlin]

Trying rhat rn

It actually might not be fully plugged into the mobo, looking at it again

There's a cable in the way

Nope it's plugged in all the eay

Restart didn't fix it

[sour wadi]

If it's new, partition it in disk management

[dense merlin]

Nah

It was working for a while

And its not showing up in disk management

fairly sure the sata slot is dead

which is great, since i dont have another sata slot

@sour wadi wanna know how stupid I am?

Apparently I unplugged the power cable connector from the psu somehow

[sour wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-face-palm-seriously-exasperated-gif-7304550

[dense merlin]

im very intelligent

[raven furnace]

i require the assistance of a External HDD WD professional 😛

[minor sun]

.....?

[open palm]

how bad is 100% active time on a HDD right after boot?

[supple yew]

mechanical hdd with windows? literally expected.

[sour wadi]

Are you booting off a hard drive

[open palm]

sadly

yes

[open palm]

I haven't switched over to the 970 evo

[sour wadi]

Why not

If you have an ssd why would you torture yourself like that

[open palm]

laziness and too much work

However I'm thinking about wiping my pc and getting my brother to install windows 10 on the ssd

[trim cloak]

bruh it’s an ssd, it takes like 5 seconds to connect lol

[pallid orchid]

no

even an nvme takes more time

[trim cloak]

yes

[pallid orchid]

ok record urself taking off the side panel, installing the ssd and put back the side panel and closing the side panel again

[trim cloak]

you really think slotting in an m.2 (970 evo) doesn’t take more than 5 seconds

like…what?

i’m not doing all that for your pleasure cause of your ignorance

[sour wadi]

Clearly gonna take a few minutes then you gotta move the windows from hdd to ssd or faster way reinstalled windows on ssd

[pallid orchid]

Moving windows takes an hour or 2

[pallid orchid]

no balls

[trim cloak]

well when you move windows sure

i was talking about connecting it.

which is like…the first step, obviously (btw i’m not home i can’t)

[sour wadi]

Well it'll take about a minute anyway lol

[pallid orchid]

it takes more than 5 seconds to get access to an m.2 slot

lmfao

side panels are a thing

[sour wadi]

Gotta account about 5 minutes to find the m.2 screw if it didn't come preinstalled in your board too xD

[pallid orchid]

and like 10 to find sata data and power cables if sata ssd

[sour wadi]

Just have non modular psu

[pallid orchid]

uggy

I love that new psu has 4 sata power plugs on one cable instead of the 3 that my last psu had

I need only 1 sata power cable now

[sour wadi]

Your last one only had 3? Pretty sure my evga w1 had 4 on 1 sata cable lol

[pallid orchid]

to be fair it was a crap unit

[kind sierra]

If you're just talking about connecting it, maybe

But that's a silly thing to talk about for how long it takes to install

[sour wadi]

I had a w1 that is a crap unit lol but tbh did me just fine

[pallid orchid]

was it a d tier gigabyte

[sour wadi]

Low priority d tier evga

[raven furnace]

@minor sun hi i think you helped me before with my pc build

[dense merlin]

What're you looking for help with?

[raven furnace]

my hdd is acting up, and it has a usbsecurity lock on it, and overtime the drive, when i knew was not gonna work, just stopped working, piror to it not being accessible i was pulling files from it off

[dense merlin]

Can you use the pc at all?

[raven furnace]

it's an external HDD mb

[dense merlin]

If so in the windows search bar type command, right click on the command prompt thing that pops up and click run as administrator

[raven furnace]

i can access my pc just fine

[dense merlin]

Can you access the hdd?

Meaning does it show up in windows when plugged in

[raven furnace]

after plugging it in a few times, have to disconnect and reconnect a few times whenever i turn on my pc

[dense merlin]

Can you do anything with it when plugged in

This shouldn't take too long hopefully

[dense merlin]

Do this and once it opens type" sfc/scannow (letter of drive)" I believe is the command

No spaces

[raven furnace]

i can access the program that's used to to unlock my file

[dense merlin]

Do this if you can, if that doesn't work idk what to do

Basically it will scan the drive for corrupt files and repair them

If that's not your issue it could be the cable is broken ig

Or the hdd is just dying

[raven furnace]

tried another cable and same issue

this issue started because i downlaoded a windows update, and forgot to unplug it, but :/

[dense merlin]

Why do you have to unplug it for windows updates?

[raven furnace]

then my computer went haywire with perofmrance hits and shit, so i did a clean install, and now it's giving me this "drive is not accessible" error

i dunno it's what my friends told me to do when i do an update, didn't make any sense to me, since it's my m.2 getting cleared, not my HDD

[dense merlin]

Check if it's registering in disk management

[raven furnace]

yeah, it's in there

[dense merlin]

Pic?

Or ss

[dense merlin]

Looks to be formatted properly

I think anyways

I'm not sure, windows is probably blocking it for some reason but I have no clue

Sorry I couldn't help

[raven furnace]

so the rive has a lock called USBsecurity check that it normally goes through when i plug in my drive, and it was working for 3-4 years until a couple weeks ago

tried on another computer and same issue occured

it's all good man lol

[trim cloak]

well yes ofc, it was a silly statement, and it’s purpose was to reassure that they didn’t need to be THAT lazy cause it doesn’t take long

[dense merlin]

anyone have a decent 2tb hdd? prolly not buying soon, just as a refernce point for my SO when they need more storage in the future

[blazing musk]

WD Blue and Seagate Barracuda both have 2TB 7200 RPM options, they're around $45-50

[dense merlin]

ah, thought there would be specific drives that are better than others like ssds, ty

[blazing musk]

No, there's just a couple to avoid and they're pretty obvious. Usually no-name and generic labels.

[dense merlin]

cool thanks

[blazing musk]

Technically there's HDDs that perform better than others but it doesn't make a difference when just used as storage, maybe if it was a game drive or workstation.

[karmic rock]

So just trying to understand this, I can buy a micro sd card and then format it properly through windows to hold applications and such, correct?

so the micro sd card would work like a second ssd

[kind sierra]

You could, but it'd be slow

[dense merlin]

I mean yes but why

Just use an external drive

[karmic rock]

I was hoping an sd card would be faster

[dense merlin]

Not at all

Why would it?

[karmic rock]

that and I don't have one

[dense merlin]

I got a 2tb drive from Seagate for 40$

Look around on black Friday and cyber Monday, I'm sure you can find something for 20$ or smthn

[karmic rock]

thanks, I don't need too much storage and I don't need it to be fast, but I'm coming to that point where 500 gigs isn't enough for my laptop

[dense merlin]

1tb and 2tb ehdds prolly cost about the same

[knotty drum]

a good m.2 storage device?

[minor sun]

What budget

[knotty drum]

tbh idk

like $50

[minor sun]

You want a 500gb drive?

[knotty drum]

at least a tb

or something

the problem is.... i have a gpu like cover the whole m.2 screw if you know what i mean

meaning i would have to take out the gpu and put in the m.2, would that be a problem? for the m.2

[sour wadi]

You cant get 1tb ssd, for 50$, closest you can do is like 70$

@knotty drum https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6gt9TW/neo-forza-nfs01-960-gb-25-solid-state-drive-nfs011sa396-6007200 cheapest 1tb ssd

Wait nvm it's gone up in price

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101 this the closest then

[sour wadi]

No problem for the m.2

[trim cloak]

it’s still $69.99 for me

anyways, not m.2 lol

[sour wadi]

Pcpp says 69 for me but newegg site says 97

[trim cloak]

hm, odd

oh and what show is “zerotwo” from. i keep seeing them EVERYWHERE @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

No idea i don't watch anime just liked the emotes lol

[minor sun]

darling in the franxx

[minor sun]

I don't think it'll be a great boot drive but fine storage drive ig

[sour wadi]

I mean they were asking for a 50$ 1tb drive

[minor sun]

yeye was just talking in general

pretty bad rnd it seems

[sour wadi]

Yeah sad, was nice budget drive when it was like 65$ tho

[minor sun]

I love this comment from tpu

I don't doubt for a second that Neo Forza is making a profit on these drives, look at the PCB, it's two flash chips and one SSD controller.

smol thing

[real lava]

cheap as heck

[pallid orchid]

Yeah small pcb

[red jay]

glorified usb flash drive

nah ill give it a little more credit than that

[real lava]

usb flash drives are far worse ngl

[red jay]

yea lol

that reminds me, I had a 25 dollar 128gb pny sata ssd I had gotten a few years ago

I remember I hadnt used it for maybe a year or so and had left it stashed away, and when I went to use it again it didnt work lmao

[real lava]

f

[olive wadi]

"two flash chips and one SSD controller."

are we supposed to expect more than one ssd controller....?

[minor sun]

look at the actual pcb though

it's lonely

[olive wadi]

looks average for dramless

oh, you mean in the size of the whole case

yea but lots of ssds are like that

2.5" ssds way bigger than they need to be 60% of the time

[minor sun]

It just looks really barren imo even compared to other drives

like 870evo

it just has more going on

(also front+back flash chips on the 870 evo)

[sour wadi]

Why they make so big if they no need to be big

[pallid orchid]

size matters

[minor sun]

p sure because they were made to fit the 2.5in standard, which was used by HDDs, when SSDs first came into prominence. But it's also extra surface area for keeping cool if necessary ig.

[sour wadi]

But like they could have made so much shorter and still had plenty of cooling room and fit in size standard where the screws are etc, at least cutting off .5"

[minor sun]

lol

[red jay]

Well m.2 exists

[sour wadi]

Well that's way newer and smoller

[trim cloak]

the biggest disappointment is AIC compared to 2.5”

that’s a real catfish

[heavy dagger]

What's considered to be the best data backup service? I got ~400gb of pictures and video and such on my NAS. Looking for a place to back all of it up outside of the house

[blazing musk]

I'd say backblaze. Paid service but lots of goodies included.

[heavy dagger]

Yeah was looking at them $7/month is a little steep but I've heard nothing but amazing things bout them

And that will work even though I'm using a NAS right?

[blazing musk]

You get what you pay for at least, and that's peace of mind. They'll even send you a flash drive with all your data on it free.

[heavy dagger]

hmm. Doesn't seem to like to play with unraid arg

[minor sun]

backblaze is unlimited backups iirc too

[plush crystal]

I have been thinking about or trying to come up with a good way to backup all of my data too

[compact cape]

I can't wait to change my storage solution hdds just arent for me 😂

[turbid torrent]

okay so consolidation usually works and it worked acording to windirstat

but windows still views it as taken up

what do I do here?

[blazing musk]

What program are you using that shows that? It's clearly wrong and I'm guessing you should use something else

[turbid torrent]

Windirstat

Every program I've used shows it at 180GB. My temporary file folder is empty. It

Literally everything says it's not using 400GB but windows

[blazing musk]

Run this bat file first https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657753562247462922/891917134437953546/Windows_System_Scan_and_Fix_Ultimate_V2.bat
Then open an admin command prompt window and run chkdsk C: /r and repeat for D: drive

That should repair any system files first, and then check the disk and file system for any errors

If chkdsk doesn't find any issues then there's no issues and it's just Windows being Windows

[pallid orchid]

You think I should make a bat file for check disk command?

[blazing musk]

Nah it's one line

And if you try to do it in normal mode it'll usually say "reboot to complete" anyway

[small steppe]

iamAngeloNuqui#7721 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

iamAngeloNuqui#7721 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[whole prawn]

for a DRAMless SSD

this thing is really holding up to a massive substained write well

[kind sierra]

What model?

[whole prawn]

samsung 980 pro (I think right now im too stressed out to check)
non evo version

my RAID 6 somehow reconfigured itself to a RAID 0 without alerting me

or anything

so now my data is in integrity limbo and im trying to rip the data off asap

[olive wadi]

yes because dramlessness doesn't significantly affect sustained write

[whole prawn]

nah i meant the fact people complain about DRAMless being slow

how the actual duck is 480MB/s slow?

[minor sun]

Because people don't know what dramless does

[minor sun]

And 500mb/s is a bit low on sustained compared to others, like p31 goes to 1500mb/s after pslc runs out

But there's also drives that will drop to like 100mb/s after pslc runs out

[trim cloak]

dramless 980 pro?

[sour wadi]

Probably meant 980 non pro

[sweet nova]

Has anyone tries to use a DRAM-less NVMe as a cache drive? Curious how it impacts performance. Been thinking about it for a while and now that the WD_BLACK SN750 SE is out with a copy of 2042 its super tempting but not if its not going to be any good.

[olive wadi]

i can't think of any reason why that would be an issue

[minor sun]

maybe dramless drives tend to have lower sustained writes...?

[sweet nova]

Dramless has slower writes but not sure how that would effect the cache

[olive wadi]

"Dramless has slower writes" not necessarily

[olive wadi]

those two metrics are fairly unrelated

main effect is small random read

[minor sun]

Might just be like a e13t problem or something

[olive wadi]

e13t/sm2263xt have large dynamic SLC, combined with being fairly barebones controllers i'd assume that's the reason why they get stuck folding

[minor sun]

Perhaps

[sweet nova]

there are better options than this one but its basically buying a game i was already looking at and then getting this thing for $30

a hard deal to pass up

[minor sun]

@olive wadi btw know any reviews on e19t drives?

[olive wadi]

sn750-se is e19t but havent seen some big reviews

[minor sun]

Yea which is sad

[sweet nova]

it released not too long ago but hasnt gotten much in depth attention so was curious if anyone had used anything similar for a similar purpose

[trim cloak]

it could be used for writes, but why would you do that🧍it’s better for random io

[olive wadi]

do you understand the question

they're talking about using a dramless SSD as a cache drive for another medium

[trim cloak]

nvm, yea i did read it wrong 🥴

just use HMB for cache 🙄

[olive wadi]

sounds like smegsmug fast page mode or whatever its called

[trim cloak]

rapid mode

fast page mode is a myth!

[olive wadi]

big if real

[lucid burrow]

@trim cloak why did I have a feeling I’d find you here

I like just realized this channel existed

[trim cloak]

it shouldn’t exist

storage is a myth

how can data be stored on a block, if i can’t see it🤨

[lucid burrow]

[trim cloak]

see, this smart/sexy lad knows what’s up

[lucid burrow]

[red jay]

[red jay]

Smart/sexy

Haha

[trim cloak]

i was just being honest

[lucid burrow]

No

[trim cloak]

das mean

[supple nebula]

Hello, I have a HP Omen Obelisk 875-0034 Desktop. I want to upgrade the M.2 SSD. I currently have 256 GB PCIe NVMe TLC M.2 Solid State and want to upgrade it to the largest side I can get. What is your recommendation?

*size

[sour wadi]

you sure you want the largest m.2 storage wise?

that would be 8tb and cost about a grand

[olive wadi]

you sure it's m.2 2280?

and not something like 2230?

[sour wadi]

ohh true should probs check that

[olive wadi]

looking at the board, seems like their might be a spot for a 2230 and a 2280

[sour wadi]

crucials webiste lists their 2280 drives as compatible with their pc sooo should be fine with 2280

[minor sun]

@olive wadi time to go to Samsung and get a m.3 engineering sample

[olive wadi]

i wil ldestroy smegsmug

[minor sun]

Wait

@olive wadi you might actually be able to use a 16tb pm983 on m.2

[olive wadi]

wack

[blazing musk]

That depends on the type of data you'll be storing and how you're accessing it. If it's just a media library thing with lots of large, continuous files then yeah no need for speed there. If it's lots of smaller files that will be accessed randomly, you'll want to make sure the random reads are higher.

[drifting falcon]

i recently bought a new hard drive and formatted it

all went well

but tonight i hopped back on my pc and the hard drive isnt showing up

anyone know why/how? @ reply pls

[minor sun]

Doesn't show up on disk management?

[dense merlin]

When this happened to me the power cable had come unplugged from the psu somehow

[drifting falcon]

nevermind

i restarted my pc and it came back

[drifting falcon]

yeah that might happen to me

[drifting falcon]

nope it didnt

[pale violet]

Would this be fine to run games like tf2, gmod and doom eternal off of?

[signal garden]

itll be fine

[sour wadi]

Yeah, only hdds affect on games are loading times anyway

[real lava]

^

But don't buy 1tb

2tb better value

[rapid olive]

who makes the best ssds right now?

[sour wadi]

[trim cloak]

me

or shall i say, stoRAGE

[pale violet]

There's not really a better brand but the sn550 is good value

Although western digital as a whole does make pretty nice ssds and really just storage in general

[real lava]

use stoRAGE's guide

it's good

[minor sun]

windshields' guide

[real lava]

or that

same thing

[minor sun]

no I'm just saying windshields made the guide he just rebranded to stoRAGE

[real lava]

ah

[sour wadi]

P34a80 is best 1tb budget drive atm for 1tb or 2tb

[trim cloak]

multiple ppl did🤨

[kind sierra]

But mostly windshields

Almost entirely windshields actually

[minor sun]

might as well just put credit to newmaxx, all in favor?

[kind sierra]

Nah, give the main credit to Rehjg. He obviously made extensive contributions

[minor sun]

Newmaxx is source of all SSD information :p

[sour wadi]

I think we should give it to theo

[trim cloak]

rehg just cleaned it up lol

he’s the broom in the stadium 🧐🎩can’t think of another analogy rn

[drowsy apex]

STORAGE NERDS

❤️

[kind sierra]

Yeah from what I'm seeing it's something like 98% windshields, a handful of drives from two other people, and then the rest of the non-windshields contributions are just formatting fixes

[rapid olive]

Seagate BarraCuda ST4000DM004 4TB 5400 RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drives Bare Drive - OEM, its not a gaming drive but it should work for non high end games? path of exile, wow, card games, etc

[sour wadi]

Ehh you'd want it to be fairly cheap, what price is it?

[rapid olive]

$85ish

my last hd was 2tb and cost the same but that was years ago now

4 1/2 yr or so

[sour wadi]

Ehhh

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9wVmP6/western-digital-wd-blue-4-tb-35-5400rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd40ezaz I'd get this

Either that or go all the way to a Toshiba x300

[rapid olive]

micro center has this: Blue Mainstream 4TB 5400RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

and new egg

amazon has: Western Digital 4TB WD Blue PC Hard Drive HDD - 5400 RPM, SATA 6 Gb/s, 256 MB Cache, 3.5" - WD40EZAZ. whats the difference?

[finite widget]

dont click the link

[lucid burrow]

Yeah your contributions were useless

😎

[trim cloak]

what does contribution even mean😼

🔲

[lucid burrow]

🔲

[kind sierra]

In this case your commits

We can view every change that you made to the guide and when you made it

[trim cloak]

i uh…know what contribution means lol

[kind sierra]

You made six total contributions between September 7th and September 12th and haven't touched it since. Of those six contributions one was a typo fix made on the seventh, one was a modification of the classification methodology made on the eleventh, one corrected or provided additional information on existing drives, and the other three added new drives to the document.

[trim cloak]

bruh i know how to check that

and i don’t make them anymore cause i decided it’s awfully boring and i don’t want to

even tho he wanted me to help, it’s not an obligation 🤨

[kind sierra]

So you are no longer a contributor

Tldr, windshields made the guide

[trim cloak]

still others did as well, even the og helper quebby

thanks for going through that work to say that for nothing tho, i appreciate it😅

[kind sierra]

Just run git blame, it's obvious who made the guide

[trim cloak]

well if we’re talking about who started it from literal blankness

idk who that would be

[kind sierra]

That'd be windshields. He made the guide

[minor sun]

Just give NewMaxx all the credit, ez

[trim cloak]

i meant like the original idea of the guide

in which it was posted on queb’s github account

ima go to sleep tho, this is boring

[minor sun]

qubex took the txt file that Windshields had and pasted it on github

anyways doesn't matter

[kind sierra]

Yup

We all know where the data came from and who did the work compiling it

[minor sun]

This was the earliest iteration of the guide

[trim cloak]

i thought it was much older like in 2020

but cool👍

[olive wadi]

that was mine

it was hosted by qubex and made by me

[olive wadi]

oh god

[olive wadi]

qubex probably put the second most amount of work into it since he's the one who designed the original visual format

i should add him as a contributor

[red jay]

good 120gb ssds?

[real lava]

why 120 gigs exactly?

they're pretty bad value these days

like i would get 500 gigs at least

[red jay]

because 30 dollars is the remainder after an x230 and the person values the actual performance of the drive over the capacity

I knew this was going to be asked

[real lava]

oh

whelp

how about 240 gigs?

[red jay]

at...30$...and...is...a...decent..drive???...during...covid?

[real lava]

hmn

well lemme look

are you in the us?

[red jay]

my 250 drive which was 30$ when I bought it is being sold for 80$ rn

[red jay]

mhm

[real lava]

okie

gimme a sec

Is the x230 thinkpad?

If so no m.2, sata it is

[red jay]

mhm

[real lava]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-bx500-240gb/p/N82E16820156187

found this one

27.99, free shipping

[red jay]

heard bx is ass

like aids

[real lava]

it's actually fine

[red jay]

😕 idk about all that

[real lava]

for such low budget

[red jay]

again the actual like

quality

of the drive

[real lava]

well im literally using wd green 120 gigs here

[red jay]

is favored to the capacity here

[real lava]

that's worse than the bx500

[red jay]

linux is going on it

[real lava]

but it's doing fine lel

[red jay]

its not like its going to be windows where 30gb of the 120 drive goes to it

[real lava]

dramlessness doesn't hit ssds as hard as people makes it to be

well, there's no better drives at 120 gigs with 30 anyway tbh

cause the better drives has higher capacity

due to higher density nand and such

[red jay]

I was told to go used by someone else

idk how advisable that is

[real lava]

used ssd

that's not a great advice

people really overestimates dramlessness lol

unless you're lucky and happen to find a drive that's not used too much

but ya know it's sata, the difference wouldn't be much anyway

might as well go new

[red jay]

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-240GB-Solid-SA400S37-240G/dp/B01N5IB20Q this the other drive I was suggested

[real lava]

a400 is even worse

avoid that trash

[red jay]

thought so

so the bx is the best in the price range for 240 brand new?

[real lava]

so far

[red jay]

so far as in as you have found

or so far as in like, the current market

[real lava]

the current market lel

others are either worse than the bx or has qlc

and qlc without dram is kinda sad

[red jay]

bro

I forgor

im slow

its 130

the thinkpad

+tax

[dense merlin]

I recently found out sata nvme drives are a thing

Sadly

[red jay]

huh?

[dense merlin]

Yep

Same reaction

[pallid orchid]

No they arent

Sata M.2 drives exist

[dense merlin]

That

[pallid orchid]

Sata nvme is not a thing

Both are transfer protocols

[dense merlin]

It's 12:30 am I'm tired

[real lava]

@red jay so, what's the budget for the drive then? lel

[red jay]

151 - 130

so 21

[real lava]

oof

https://www.newegg.com/adata-ultimate-su650-120gb/p/N82E16820215328?quicklink=true

or

https://www.newegg.com/patriot-120gb-burst-elite/p/N82E16820225261

[red jay]

oh god thats

[real lava]

wouldn't be any better used tbh in this situation lmao

Microcenter is giving away free 240 gigs sata drives tho

But local pickup only

[red jay]

we dont live next to a microcenter so thats rip

[real lava]

shame

[red jay]

Ok but where have you seen this im curious 🤔

[dense merlin]

Someone in another disc server

It's manufacturers cheating out

[red jay]

That's wild if it's real, is that even legal?

[blazing musk]

Sata controllers aren't even that much cheaper...

[red jay]

Is that not false advertising?

[dense merlin]

I mean

Depends on what they say

If they say nvme then yes

If they say neither or sata then no

[blazing musk]

It's scummy but their lawyers know how to word it

[red jay]

imagine being the poor soul who buys it not knowing any better

[blazing musk]

They'd probably never even notice. Average users don't bench things like us.

[dense merlin]

me when I bought my pre built pc

[red jay]

True

[red jay]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-juice-cry-cat-kitten-tears-gif-15751834

[red jay]

Isnt the gap between nvme and sata relatively small anyway

[blazing musk]

Yes and no, it depends on the drives in question and the use case

Game drive? Doesn't matter at all

Boot drive? Maybe a few seconds difference

Video editing? 100% noticeable

[red jay]

Ah idk why i never thought about it like that

[blazing musk]

Editing smoothly requires near instant access times so when you move the timeline slider you can see what's happening fast

[pallid orchid]

I edit off hdd and watch the little preview window freak out because hard drive slow

[red jay]

I do actually remember this happening when i was on an hdd but i chocked it up to just my hw being ass

[minor sun]

2.5in NVMe drives exist, uses a different interface, don't remember the name of it, but still uses pcie lanes

[kind sierra]

u.2

[minor sun]

Yes that's it

[serene laurel]

So I am making plans to build a NAS with a raspberry pi and openmediavault. As Black Friday gets closer, what are things I should look for in an hdd? It’s going to be in a usb enclosure (I don’t have one, please give suggestions). I’m looking at 4tb preferably. I want the drive to be durable.

In the daily wegg emails there’s usually some hdd deals

I’m not ready to buy this now, but I’ve seen it on here before at this price. Is this a good drive for my use though?

@ me if you have suggestions, I don’t usually check this channel

[pale violet]

Which is better sn550 or mp33? Both 512 gb

[torpid adder]

Aren't they both about the same

Says the person who doesn't pay attention to storage specs much

[blazing musk]

Reds are good NAS drives, and under $20 per GB is a good price

[sour wadi]

The cheaper one

[minor sun]

Sn550 did have change to nand

But not too big effect for most

[pale violet]

So the mp33 then

[sour wadi]

I would

[molten shard]

I know many recommend P31 SSDs for builds. Does the 1TB size get sold anywhere other than Amazon. Does it ever go on sale? I ask because I see the 1TB version currently has 15% off coupon on amazon. I ask as someone that was waiting for black Friday to pick up an SSD. If they aren't on sale ever, 15% isn't bad. Should I consider a better faster SSD on black Friday? Mostly used for gaming.

[sour wadi]

I've seen it go on sale down to 105 on Amazon

[minor sun]

And well, for gaming, p31 is about as fast as you're going to get

[molten shard]

What kinds of workflow can take advantage of faster SSDs? I find it funny that there isn't a focus on fast SSDs for PC gaming yet if you want to expand storage in a PS5 it needs to be a higher class of SSD.

[kind sierra]

Video editing and data science are two of the big ones

[molten shard]

I have two slots on my B550 motherboard. So if in the future I need to demote the P31, I could and buy a decent Gen 4 Nvme.

[sour wadi]

All ssds does for gaming is shorten loading times

[sour wadi]

Yeah but imo you'd be wanting to upgrade your cpu before your storage

[sweet nova]

Hey, Your best bet would be to get either NAS or enterprise drives. I personally use Seagate Exos drives for my critical data on my NAS. They have a long lifespan and for some reason seem to be cheaper than Seagate Ironwolf or WD Red (both are NAS drives)

Both NAS and enterprise drives are designed to be spun 24/7/365 so they have a much higher endurance and also tend to have more resistance to vibrations. Not sure what the purpose of the NAS will be or your budget but it may not hurt to try to set it up with a redundant raid depending how critical the data is and if you need access to it consistently. I would also recommend getting a portable drive to do periodic backups to as well and keep it either in a fire safe or safe deposit box, that way you know you will always have a copy of all your data if something happens to your NAS

[primal granite]

Someone mind giving me a hand. It's time to put a new SSD in my desktop. I have a GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI LGA 1151 motherboard. I want to put a WD black m.2 in my desktop. Can I use the gen 4 SSD or do I have to use the gen 3? For some reason the 1 TB Gen4 is cheaper on Newegg than the 1 TB Gen 3.

[sour wadi]

You cant use it in gen 4 mode, it would work in gen 3 mode, if you want a high end ssd I'd recommend something like a sk hynix p31 gold

[primal granite]

whats the cost of something like that

nvm

[primal granite]

Thanks

[sour wadi]

Np

[trim cloak]

103.99

[sour wadi]

;-;

[trim cloak]

^•^

[digital solstice]

Is a bigger cache better or worse?

[real lava]

hdd?

[digital solstice]

Yeah

[real lava]

nah, not really for many cases

[digital solstice]

Google says bigger

Bigger better

[real lava]

many average hdds has enough cache to not worry about

don't sweat about it too much

[digital solstice]

Yeah but two for same price and same storage amount and RPM so which one?

Bigger?

[real lava]

sure, why not

[digital solstice]

Any other difference of these besides speeds and price?

Like does NAS mean anything?

[blissful night]

Yeah

It's for a NAS, which is going to powered on 24/7 most likely

It's going to built to withstand more vibration than average drives

Which won't matter for an average system

[digital solstice]

My pc doesn't move though and we don't get earthquakes here so like that wouldn't matter right?

Yeah alright

[blissful night]

I'm talking about vibration from other drives

[digital solstice]

Gotttttcha

[real lava]

not worth gettin nas drive

unless you plan to do a nas

[digital solstice]

So if I get one 4.0 and one 3.0 M.2 even though the mobo only says it works with 4. Having two of different gen won't cause a problem would it?

[blissful night]

No

[digital solstice]

Thinking of doing this then.

[sour wadi]

For what use?

[sour wadi]

What cpu and what motherboard?

[digital solstice]

1tb for main files, OS, games.
2tb for VMs and other stuff I need to setup cybersecurity home lab stuff and a bit of etc.
HDD for etc. storage for future. Probably have more files and larger programs from programming.
12700K and not entirely sure for mobo but those should all work with most options I think. Looking at this though.
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119507?Description=ddr5 motherboards&cm_re=ddr5_motherboards-_-13-119-507-_-Product

[real lava]

imo i would do 12600k

it's still quite a beast

5800x perf

[digital solstice]

12700k already preordered

[real lava]

ah

fair

[digital solstice]

I wasn't going to open if benchmarks were bad but they are fine.

[real lava]

it's not that worth for price increase

12600k and 12900k doesn't have that much of meaningful perf diff

[digital solstice]

Tis what it is at this point.

[real lava]

It's fine, at least you didn't go 12900k lol

[digital solstice]

Yeah I couldn't justify the 5900x for $150 more either when this is close to same performance.

[sour wadi]

@digital solstice I'd do this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LVJMqp

[sour wadi]

Keep in mind the whole platform cost, sure 12900k is cheaper but ddr5 and the motherboards aren't

[digital solstice]

Yeah.

Why I'm also thinking of just going 2 2x8 sticks of ram rn as well until that price comes down.

[sour wadi]

You'll usually be better off with 2x16gb btw

Also 32gb ram is plenty

[digital solstice]

Really? I thought I had watched a few vids and they were saying that it's better to have the smaller amounts spread across more channels?

[sour wadi]

Nope there's only 2 channels for ram, the other 2 slots are daisy chained, having 4 sticks puts more pressure on the memory controller as well

[digital solstice]

Hmm. So why do people put 4 in so often?

I'm not doubting jw

[sour wadi]

They think it looks better

It does guarantee dual rank as well but most 16gb modules are dual rank anyway

Or they upgraded from 16 to 32

[digital solstice]

Looking at that western digital HDD you sent me. Why is it #7 and the other one is #5 on HDDs when the western digital is like $20 cheaper?

Looking for differences but not seeing any obvious ones?

Also wondering if I go with a 2.5" SSD instead of the Gen3 2TB M.2 if I can skim cost there. Don't think that should really matter?

[sour wadi]

That #7 #5 is just popularity

[sour wadi]

Sometimes, lemme see

[digital solstice]

Yeah but wondering why it would be more popular $20 more unless it's literally just bc people don't see it.

[blissful night]

There is always a large amount of people who buy stuff without researching it

[sour wadi]

@digital solstice I'd get this actually https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101 like 3$ more than a sata

[blissful night]

This goes for everything pretty much

Amazon reviews are usually not to be trusted

[sour wadi]

The amount of people that ask if x is good after they bought it is unfathomable

[digital solstice]

I make $15 an hr rn fam I'm trying to research everything and skim costs where I can while still building a great pc lol.

[sour wadi]

Well if you don't want the absolute best of the best you can save a good 30$ on the 1tb ssd too

And still have a nice ssd

[raw mirage]

How's that compare to Samsung 970 Evo plus 2tb?

[sour wadi]

P31? Basically better in every way

[raw mirage]

bc that one is like 70 dollars cheaper

[sour wadi]

Or the p34a80?

P34a80 is same tier

As 970 evo

[raw mirage]

uh Idk

the one you just linked, that one

[sour wadi]

Ohh the mp33 is cheaper and worse but that's just because they wanted cheap fast storage, if you want 970 evo performance get a p34a80

[digital solstice]

Oh dam the read write on the 2.5" SSDs is sooo much slower.

Nvm and not even THAT much cheaper.

At least not while this other one is on sale.

[sour wadi]

Advertised read writes mean f all 90% of time

[digital solstice]

It's 7x slower.

That's not just a lil bit lol

[raw mirage]

gotcha ty

[digital solstice]

Alright I've checked things out more. Anyone know any promo codes?

[sour wadi]

It's not actually 7x slower

[pallid orchid]

Its a lot slower if you have 1 giant file you want to write or just 1 giant one you wanna read

Everywhere else not too much difference

The advertised speeds only can be seen for single massive file

[sour wadi]

@digital solstice https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/team-group-mp33-m2-nvme-ssd/2
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/silicon-power-p34a80-pcie-gen3x4-m-2-nvme-ssd,6180-2.html

Remember what you use most of the time is random not sequential etc

[minor sun]

Just know there's a crap ton of different metrics for SSDs, and sequencial performance is only one small metric that doesn't matter much

[digital solstice]

I'll check those out just for my own curiosity but still think I'm set on what I've got.

[sour wadi]

They choose that number because it's the biggest and ✨ marketing ✨

[digital solstice]

Got storage taken care of thanks for the help!

[sour wadi]

Np

[raw mirage]

SK hynix Gold P31 vs SAMSUNG 970 EVO Plus? looking at the 2tb one if that matters at all. Ive been hearing great things from both and they are around the same price, just want to hear what you guys have to say about it

sorry if im annoying asking questions about like every pc component i secured my gpu so now im ordering up the rest of the pc, making sure im making the right choices XD

[plush crag]

Get the 2TB p31 off amazon for 208

[trim cloak]

sequential* 😼

and the MAX sequential doesn’t matter

[kind sierra]

Depends

For some people, no. For other people it matters a lot

[minor sun]

What's speling

[trim cloak]

well i mean having a constant sequential workload isnt the problem, it’s what’s advertised is the problem lol

[kind sierra]

Don't really know what you mean by that, it makes no sense

[trim cloak]

it’s pretty simple to understand, and i think i’ve said it before. you won’t always reach the advertised max sequential

and it can also surpass that limit, so it’s pretty dumb, same with tbw

which wind wiper has a fit about lol

[kind sierra]

That seems completely unrelated and is kinda obvious

It's like saying you shouldn't look at the xmp rating on ram because you might not be able to hit it or could tune it to be faster

Unless you're talking about whatever number the manufacturers use in their advertisement and not the actual real world data?

[trim cloak]

well it is related if you’re talking about max sequentials being important that some people rely on, so ofc they would want the highest they can get out of it

[kind sierra]

Not really, you don't ever really look at that number. You find actual real world benchmarks

Any decent drive will be within a reasonable margin of error of real world max sequential r/w benchmarks

[sour wadi]

@olive wadi what's your opinion on the Kingston nv1 compared to the other drives in it's tier btw?

[olive wadi]

its like an mp33

or helix-l

[sour wadi]

Ahh okay so nothing special, just whichever one is cheaper?

[olive wadi]

yep

[sour wadi]

That's what i thought but just checking if preference thanks

[mystic lark]

Dell Inspiron Laptop - Will Samsung 870 EVO work?

[red jay]

rand read/write = important
mine suck

https://www.jw.com.au/seagate-firecuda-530-1tb-m-2-ssd-531812

this ssd good?

[peak forge]

you’ll want a heat sink

FireCuda=on fire

[red jay]

lmao

does buying an external enclosure for the ssd and then connecting it as external storage work

[karmic rock]

so I desperately need to replace my hard drives with a SSD I guess

it's to the point where opening a chrome tab takes 2 minutes and I open up task manager and find that my hard drive is 100% utilizied while nothing else even appears to be above 5%

what would be a decent 500GB or maybe 1TB SSD deal

I'm pretty sure I would need a SATA SSD seeing as how my i7-950 mobo doesn't appear to have NVME slots

[real lava]

MX500 is generally a decent choice

[turbid torrent]

with glitched cache

I'm going to factory reset it after copying all the programs from it

and other files (including my downloads folder)

[turbid torrent]

After glitched cache has been cleared

all the same files

but now windirstat and windows read the same amount

[sour wadi]

Which dell Inspiron?

[serene laurel]

@pallid orchid (or anyone else) what’s a good small cheap ssd? It doesn’t need to be fast, if i don’t get one I’ll be using hdd for my hackintosh. Preferably under 30 usd.

[minor sun]

if you have a m.2 slot, helix L 250gb for 34$
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RC2THBR

[pallid orchid]

Yeah that one will work

[sour wadi]

For 40$ you can get a 500gb btw

[sour wadi]

For close as possible to 30$ https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JPPKHx/team-ms30-256-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8ps7256g0c101 but this worth the 9$ more or so https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ffpzK8/klevv-cras-c710-512-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-k512gm2sp0-c71

[sour wadi]

Pricing looks very odd for 1tb ssd

[minor sun]

'2d nand'

2230 form factor too

weird

like 1 layer nand is

very very inefficient

for reference, something simple like a SN750 uses 64 layer tlc nand

[sour wadi]

If it can get 430mbs lol

But that's very fast for such a cheap external drive

[minor sun]

I mean, that performance just sounds like some crappy sata ssd

for example, even a400 can do 500/450

[sour wadi]

What use you need it for?

[minor sun]

I still think it might just be a scam

third party seller shipping from China offering a product that seems too good for the price with little information on the product

[finite rover]

Can someone help me figure out if I have enough Lanes for a second nvme ssd?

[sour wadi]

What's your motherboard?

[finite rover]

Aorus gaming 7 z370

[finite rover]

Sorry forgot to reply but ^

[sour wadi]

That motherboard supports 3 m.2 drives

[finite rover]

What about my CPU tho

[sour wadi]

Yes but what is your needs lol

[finite rover]

Since it has limited lanes

[sour wadi]

Rest go through the chipset

[finite rover]

I'm not sure what that means sorry

What do u mean by that

[sour wadi]

It's handled by a chip on the motherboard and goes to the cpu that way

[finite rover]

Wouldnt it reduce my current ssd down to 4 Lanes tho

And my GPU should currently be on 8 right

[sour wadi]

Well even a bad ssd will be better than a hdd so

[minor sun]

take a look at this @finite rover

[sour wadi]

Nvme drives use 4 lanes, gpu uses 16

[finite rover]

Ok thanks

Ok so yeah no bottlenecking sick

[minor sun]

GPU in first pcie slot would be using the 16 pcie 3.0 lanes from the CPU for example

Unless your board is doing 8+8 for some reason, that could be a thing too

[finite rover]

I'll be looking for 1TB+ SSD then for Black Friday so I can't put horizon 5 on it lol

[minor sun]

Good guide to SSDs
https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide

[finite rover]

Ty

[sour wadi]

For 1tb drive atm I recommend silicon power p34a80

[finite rover]

Under $100

Nice

We'll see if it gets put on sale ig

[sour wadi]

For 2tb sn550 for cheaper end and p34a80 for mid tier

[finite rover]

I actually don't know if I have my GPU in the top slot I'll have to check that I kinda forgot rn

[sour wadi]

Although if you're watching for sales that kinds throughs my picks out the window, just find something on the list here

[finite rover]

Yee

[sour wadi]

If you don't your possibly missing a good bot of perf

[finite rover]

My 1060 wasn't even struggling with 1440p on fh5 earlier today I was surprised

Yeah I'll have to check

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743563230118412339/907683233859244124/IMG_20200825_183924.jpg

I think that's in the top slot

Can't tell tbh lol

Thats an old pic, I have a noctua cooler now cause that aio crapped out

[sour wadi]

I can't tell either

Most likely though

But double chdck when you can

[pallid orchid]

Its top slot

[minor sun]

Probably top

[finite rover]

Yeah I'll check when I get home

When I built it I definitely knew about that so idk why I wouldn't have lol

[pallid orchid]

Its for sure top slot

[finite rover]

Yay

[pallid orchid]

In that pic at least

[finite rover]

Yeah I have taken it out for transport but I always just put it back in the same slot because I didn't put the guard things back on

[pallid orchid]

You can make out the 2 slots very clearly

[finite rover]

Yeah definitely

And the third slot is below that one

Second

Actually nvm

I think the middle slot is covered and the bottom one is the one u see there

[pallid mulch]

Hi everyone. I'm hoping for some good advice on buying a Gen4 M.2 NVMe to go with my Intel 12th Gen system. I want to maximize the power, and 2GB+ would be good. Thoughts?

fastest I've seen is XPG 2TB GAMMIX S70 Blade which shows 7400MB/s. I've never heard of XPG so...that's concerning. Also, is that a realistic speed or are we in "up to" land?

[blazing musk]

A gen 3 drive like the p31 gold is going to be the fastest thing you'll notice for gaming. It's not sequential speeds, it's mixed and random I/O that matter most.

Sequential speeds matter for things like video editing.

[pallid mulch]

which I do -- 4K/120 files. I also game

mostly 4K/60, but some 120

[blazing musk]

In which case you might notice it then, but make sure the random speeds are good too.

[pallid mulch]

Why a Gen3 instead of a Gen4? This board supports Gen4

[blazing musk]

XPG is a well known brand btw, I even have a memory kit from them

[pallid mulch]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z690-aorus-master/p/N82E16813145343?Item=N82E16813145343

[blazing musk]

If you were just gaming you'd never come close to fully using a gen 4 drive. No need to spend double in that case.

[pallid mulch]

Gotcha. I'm also running Visual Studio and compiling (I'm in game development) so that's gonna play into it as well, I'd imagine

[blazing musk]

That's a lot of random read/write for coding

[pallid mulch]

Just trying to wring everything I can out of this upgrade, ya know

and thanks for the advice, btw

🙂

[limpid snow]

Quick question, what storage lasts the longest? 7200 RPM HDDs, Sata SSDs, or NVME SSDs?

Wanting to change from HDDs for speed, but not if it will die sooner than an HDD.

[sour wadi]

Hdds will die faster, spinning disks v fast

[limpid snow]

Hmmm

Now the question is, how about NVME SSDs vs Sata SSDs?

You need a heat stink when running 2 NVME SSDs right?

Or at least I’d imagine so?

[minor sun]

Depends heavily on the nand flash itself

Different cells will be rated for different numbers of write erase cycles

The easy generalization is tlc lasts longer than qlc

[limpid snow]

Hmm

[minor sun]

Beyond that, complicated as hell

[limpid snow]

I see.

Probably gonna buy two 860 EVOs and see how that goes then.

2 500 GBs cost around the same as 2 1TB WD black HDDs.

[minor sun]

Ye

[limpid snow]

Alright, thanks for the help.

I know raid 0 adds complexity and makes the process of read and write a lot longer,

So I’m trying to make it faster.

[sour wadi]

Why 2 500gb drives?

[limpid snow]

I don’t need 1TB.

I don’t even use 100 GBs of space on these systems.

[sour wadi]

Ohhh nvm i misread the wd black

[limpid snow]

But WD black is only sold in >=1TB iirc.

Lol

[sour wadi]

I thought you were talking about wd black ssds

[limpid snow]

Nah HDDs.

[sour wadi]

Makes sense yeah

Raid is odd i don't touch it with a 5 ft pole

[limpid snow]

It’s necessary for servers unfortunately.

With a properly setup raid 0, if one drive dies, the other can take over while you replace the system.

Gives you time.

Of course you should have many backups.

But it’s just one form of backup.

[sour wadi]

Yeye

I understand the use for it but it just seems overly complicated lol

[analog hull]

im not planning on upgrading in the future to 64 gb of ram, but i only have one slot holding 8gb at the moment. i want to have 32gb of ram, should i buy two 16gb slots or four 8gb slots

[grand oyster]

hey guysm dumb fak here, my laptop has a pci-e 3.0 x4 m.2 interface | fits formfactor 2280 & 2242 |||| whats the best deal out there?

[sour wadi]

A 2x16gb kit

[kindred sky]

Hi guys. Need help/advise. I got MSI Z590 gaming edge with Intel 10th generation CPU. M2_1 SSD slot suppose to handle PCIe 4 SSD . Should it works with PCIe 3 SSD as well. BIOS not recognizing drive in M2_1 but it works in M2_2 . I do not want to go throgh the hassle returning MB just to find out that it's not suppose to work. MSI told me to return MB but I did not feel that it was a tech guru on the chat.

[sour wadi]

Btw that's filter avoiding, might want to edit the swear word avoided out of the message

[analog hull]

any particular reason why?

[sour wadi]

what size you looking for?

[sour wadi]

Yes, it's easier on the integrated memory controller, meaning it can handle faster ram,as well as usually cheaper than a 4x8gb kit

[sour wadi]

Unfortunately not, intel wired the z590 boards up weirdly

You'd need an 11th gen cpu for it to become active

[analog hull]

thank you

[kindred sky]

Thanks.

[sour wadi]

Np

[grand oyster]

1tb , but will bend over for a best deal

[sour wadi]

Well i mean 2tb is gonna be like 170ish vs like 90ish for a 1tb so not like you'll be paying just a little more for 2tb

Are you in the US?

[raw mirage]

if ur going 2tb I just picked up a sk hynix p31 2tb for 208 dollars

[grand oyster]

Yes

[raw mirage]

usually like 250 or something

not a smoking deal but it'll do

[sour wadi]

I'd get the silicon power p34a80 then, it's 95$ atm and a very nice drive

[sour wadi]

That's nice

[raw mirage]

yeah it rated out pretty high and it was a pretty decent deal so

[pallid orchid]

Yeah its a very very nice drive

[minor sun]

P31 is great

One of if not the best pcie 3.0 drive

[pallid orchid]

Especially as a game drive

Go brrrrrrrr

[grand oyster]

nice, thanks guys, i was worried about the spec , i wanted to make sure i can RAID it with the 1tb i already had in the laptop

[minor sun]

Uh

I suggest you don't raid 0 it

[sour wadi]

^

[sleek dock]

is it worth it to have 2 m.2 ssds?

Im close to running out of my current m.2 and am unsure if another one was worth or if I should get a normal sata

[grand oyster]

Sata eewwwwwwwwwwww

[sleek dock]

i meannn

what should I go for

[grand oyster]

What u got, desk or lap,
What slot?

[grand oyster]

I am 100% Raid 0ing it lol

[sleek dock]

this is my board

[grand oyster]

I didnt see but could u confirm what spec is that. :specifically pci 3.0 or 4.0

https://www.amazon.com/Black-SN750-NVMe-Internal-Gaming/dp/B07M64QXMN/

[sour wadi]

Nothing wrong with sata

[sour wadi]

What capacity you looking i at?

[sour wadi]

It says gen 3, so pcie 3.0

[sour wadi]

Why

[grand oyster]

dude, bro, ive been hooked , on those speeds, cannot go back now ,

[sour wadi]

Raid doesn't help with speed it just has an identical copy of the drive on another drive basically, also advertised speeds on drives don't mean much

[grand oyster]

i mean raid 0, not 1

[sleek dock]

1tb

[sour wadi]

Yeah ik you said raid 0

[sour wadi]

Us?

[sleek dock]

Yes

[grand oyster]

I will be RAIDing using the mobo Util, and laptop originally came raided with 2 500gb ssds, I did use 1 for windows 11 and another one for arch linux, so i know the speeds are impacted, when copying from ssd to my 10g network drive

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nJwypg/klevv-cras-c710-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-k01tbm2sp0-c71 for nvme,
for sata https://pcpartpicker.com/product/j6JmP6/team-t-force-vulcan-g-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tg001t3c301

That's what id do

[sleek dock]

perfect, I'll check into these

thanks

[sour wadi]

np

[serene laurel]

which one?

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-240GB-Solid-SA400S37-240G/dp/B01N5IB20Q/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=240gb+ssd&qid=1636605259&sr=8-3

https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-SU635-3D-NAND-Internal-ASU635SS-240GQ-R/dp/B07PLNNDL2/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=240gb+ssd&qid=1636605259&sr=8-4

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX500-240GB-2-5-Inch-Internal/dp/B07G3YNLJB/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=240gb+ssd&qid=1636605259&sr=8-5

i already have a crucial mx500 drive in my system, telling two apart might be hard? idk. im doing a hackintish with rawr

[real lava]

bx500 best

a400 is a piece of garbage with its high failure rates

[serene laurel]

okay

in bios will it be simple to tell the mx500 apart from the bx one?

oh wait

you said bx500

im trying to get something under like 3330 dollars

whoops

30

(double typing keyboard)

@real lava the bx 240gb one is out of stock on amazon. how much worse is the kingston 240gb ?

[real lava]

Just get the adata

[serene laurel]

really? ok i will

[serene laurel]

is that adate one the one with the high fail rate?

[silk trout]

Hey a bit a go i was just playing on my pc and taskbar suddenly became unresponsive and windows crashed. i turned it off and restarted it and it brought me to the bios and the boot device wasn't showing. any ideas?

[real lava]

no, adata is su635

kingston is a400

[serene laurel]

https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-SU760-256GB-Internal-ASU760SS-256GT-C/dp/B07TDW8Z3M/ref=psdc_1292116011_t2_B07PLNNDL2

is this one any better? its 2 dollars more

[silk trout]

it was also a new pc and i'd only had the part for about a month

[serene laurel]

is it better cause of dram cache?

im waiting to order :))

i think ima get the blue one

its only 2 dollars for the next tier up

anyone

?

any thoughts or should i order the 256gb adata 760

[shut furnace]

check tier ist

[pallid orchid]

Tbh i would get a wd blue

[shut furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[serene laurel]

it is for my hack mac

[pallid orchid]

Yeah

[serene laurel]

well

[pallid orchid]

WD blue good

[serene laurel]

wd blue starts at 43 dollars

[pallid orchid]

Out of budget?

[serene laurel]

yeahh

i was trying t get under 30

(becuase i dont know for certain if mac will work well)

[pallid orchid]

What about crucial mx500

[serene laurel]

i have that one with windows on it

its 50 bucks

well if no one knows bad things about the adata 760 im gonna get it

Here goes

[turbid torrent]

Any m.2 SSDs that max out PCIE 4.0 x 4?

[pallid orchid]

I mean theres hardly if at all any that max out pcie 3.0 x4

[turbid torrent]

Also imagine a 128GB/s full slot pcie 5.0 ssd 🤤

[pallid orchid]

I dont think any m.2 ssd maxes out a pcie 3.0 x4 link

[turbid torrent]

...

The 980 pro goes way over the 3.0 x4 spec

7,000 MB/s reads are way over the 3.0 link

[sour wadi]

That's just sequential tho

[turbid torrent]

I was just curious if anything full maxed it out

Yeah ik

[sour wadi]

Rand doesn't go over 3.0 spec afaik

[turbid torrent]

I'm possibly looking at dropping a few hundred on a new SSD for no reason other than my new job is making me almost double what I was making before

So why not have a ridiculously overkill boot drive

[pallid orchid]

P31 gold

[turbid torrent]

I have an sn750 as my boot drive rn

But that a silly drive

The sequential reads almost max out PCIE 3.0 but not quite XD

I want a drive for direct storage eventually

Or you know

A better gpu

Everytime I get money for a 3070+

I spend it because I can't find any

[pallid orchid]

P31 gold

[turbid torrent]

First the Series S, theb a new CPU + GPU, next maybe new SSD, then maybe gpu?

The p31 doesn't look much faster than my current sn750

[pallid orchid]

Look at rand

Sequential is pretty much useless real world

Comparing drives based on sequential is dumb

Unless you deal with only single large files

[turbid torrent]

Holy crap

It's 100MB/s higher?

Black sn750 isn't too bad but

If I spending $400ish on an SSD

Probably going to be 980PRO

[blazing musk]

There's better drives for less... Even gen 4 ones. You pay for the name with Samsung.

[sour wadi]

Unless that's a 4tb drive and you're getting a good deal on it, it's not worth 400$

Take your pick of these for s tier drives basically

[turbid torrent]

Is the Q4 pretty good?

[blazing musk]

I'd go for that gammix s70. Over 500k iops random speed is insane.

[sour wadi]

I'd also grab the gammix

[vast kelp]

How can I check what the fastest storage my PC supports is?

I want to upgrade my M.2 SATA SSD to something faster.

[minor sun]

What do you currently have?

[vast kelp]

I have a B560 Pro4 with an i5-10400F. I think I can use NVMe drives, but I'm not sure which specifically would work best.

Currently have a couple HDDs hooked up to the plentiful SATA slots, and a 240GB Kingston SATA SSD in an M.2 slot.

[minor sun]

M.2_2 will support up to PCIe 3.0x4, M.2_3 will support up to PCIe 3.0x2, M.2_1 is unusable with a 10th gen chip

[vast kelp]

So I want an M.2_3 drive?

[minor sun]

nonono

[minor sun]

M.2_3 is just referring to the 3rd M.2 slot on your motherboard

[vast kelp]

o h

LOL

[minor sun]

From motherboard specs

[vast kelp]

Yeah my SATA SSD is in M.2_3 because the others don't support it iirc

So I could just add in a better one to M.2_2

[minor sun]

m.2 sata drive is kinda sad :(

Still in France?

[vast kelp]

It's recycled from an old project where I just needed something that would fit in an M.2 slot, so I don't feel too bad about it.

[vast kelp]

yerp

[minor sun]

What's the budget?

[vast kelp]

Besides, most of my programs run from my hard drives anyways lol

[vast kelp]

as cheap as it gets while being a noticeable upgrade 😅

Still in France; still a broke student.

How does this look (sort by price -> cheapest with cache)? https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/G9rmP6/samsung-860-evo-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-n6e250bw

I could get a 970 Evo Plus.

[minor sun]

check shipping on this
https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B08THW4S3T

uh

[vast kelp]

oh wow

That wasn't on pcpp

[minor sun]

quite old drive

says 15euro shipping for me on the drive but I assume its because amazon wants to ship it to the US

[vast kelp]

970 Evo Plus shows up as more expensive than the Amazon one you linked lol

[minor sun]

yea evo plus is expensive

[vast kelp]

huh

Well the one you linked has free shipping

[minor sun]

980 was just a few more euros than the cheaper 500gb options like a2000 so might as well

[vast kelp]

So 60E for it

And double capacity.

[minor sun]

yeye

[vast kelp]

How come it's cheaper? 970 Evo Plus of the same capacity is 85 EUR

[sour wadi]

Cache doesn't always mean good btw

There are good ones without cache too

[vast kelp]

I figured cache probably means better than not cache.

huh

[minor sun]

and also that's Samsung advertising slc cache or whatever

[minor sun]

not even dram cache on pcpp

well, it can't be slc because that's too small

something cache

[vast kelp]

rip

[sour wadi]

Lol

[vast kelp]

Okay well I'll order the 980 you linked

[sour wadi]

Rip

[minor sun]

but you can ignore that on pcpp

only Samsung lists it

980 is dramless for example, uses HMB, perfectly good drive

[sour wadi]

Before you go with the 980, check german pcpp/Amazon

[vast kelp]

So it will fit in the M.2_2 slot on my mobo?

[sour wadi]

Shipping from Germany should be about 5€ at least from Amazon

[vast kelp]

AsRock B660 Pro4 + i5-10400f

[sour wadi]

Should fit ye

[minor sun]

I mean, free shipping from French amazon, so I don't see a need for Germany amazon

[vast kelp]

same price in de

[sour wadi]

Pricing differer sometimes

[vast kelp]

But yeah good to check. I bought my PSU off of Amazon.de because it was half the price there.

[sour wadi]

For example sn550 8€ cheaper on de

[vast kelp]

wait so how much of an upgrade is this over my current SSD?

I have a Kingston SA400M8240G

[sour wadi]

A400 is bottom of the barrel ssd so good bit

[manic dagger]

Looking for a super fast nvme, as fast as possible, storage size does not matter (at least 64GB), no budget as of now