storage-devices

[dense merlin]

i see what you mean

[sour wadi]

980 is a meh drive anyway

Especially for value

[dense merlin]

wasnt looking at buying one of these

just saw them on newegg under todays deals

[hollow sphinx]

are ssds expected to run slower when connected to chipset?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102940078505984/871471243805728798/unknown.png

silicon power ud70 2tb, ryzen 7 5800x, b550 chipset

the mp600 1tb connected to cpu seems to be working as expected

[sour wadi]

@hollow sphinx b550 only has cpu pcie 4.0

[hollow sphinx]

i know that

but the speeds are a bit slow even for pcie 3

ud70 is a gen 3 drive

[minor sun]

@hollow sphinx what exact mobo

Some Mobo might have weird ways of splitting pcie lanes and for some reason only gave you pcie 3.0x2

[hollow sphinx]

b550 steel legend

[minor sun]

Rip

@hollow sphinx m.2_2 is pcie 3.0 X2 only

You're basically only getting half the bandwidth

[red jay]

I have a laptop with a 512 Gb of storage and I need a 512 Gb nvme that I can put in it it has room and a slot for it what should I get my budget is 110 cad

@minor sun

So your laptop already has 512 nvme?

Or is it 2.5 inch

[sour wadi]

You have enough space for another m.2?

[red jay]

Yes I’ve used most of it

No i meant

Yes I have legion 5

[sour wadi]

Okay 1 sec

Sn550 1tb should be 110 cad

[red jay]

I think it has 2 slots

K

Yeah go sn550

Kk I’ll be back in like 1-2 hr so dm me instead ig cuz I might forget

it says 134 usd for 1tb sn550 @sour wadi

Or maybe this is cad

https://www.newegg.ca/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?

[sour wadi]

Yeah it does

[red jay]

This one is 110

usd or cad idk

[sour wadi]

Yeah i would get that

Cad

[red jay]

@red jay dms off so here is the link https://www.newegg.ca/team-group-mp33-1tb/p/N82E16820331417?

[sour wadi]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/zFK2FT/western-digital-blue-sn550-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds500g2b0c for 500gb or https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101 for 1tb

[hollow sphinx]

I see

well it's not a big deal

I still get good rand IOPS

sequential is whatever

[minor sun]

ye

[hollow sphinx]

3.0 x2 doesn't seem to be a bottleneck for real world performance

I'm used to my second drive being spinning rust so this blows it out of the water regardless

I think the board only allows 3.0 x2 in slot 2 because it has an m.2 wifi slot

so it's probably allocating lanes to that slot

I didn't see any settings to change the lane allocation

[steady talon]

https://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-2TB-Hard-Drive/dp/B087QTVCHH/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=2TB%2Bhdd&qid=1627858487&sr=8-4&th=1

How is this?

[sour wadi]

nice drive

[spice hedge]

Nice drive

[steady talon]

Ok thanks

[red jay]

tysm

[red jay]

tysm

Ya

No problem

[sour wadi]

Np

[dense merlin]

So how does mining chia work?

I have a 4tb hdd on the way and not really any use for it

Would it be worth it?

[sour wadi]

not really it destroys drives

[dense merlin]

I dont have a use for the drive

It's either mine chia with it or it'll sit, or maybe sell it

[sour wadi]

let is sit or sell

[pallid orchid]

SSDs not hdds

[real lava]

chia isn't that profitable

[dense merlin]

I dont even know how chia works lol

[sour wadi]

Aye but still

[robust hedge]

i was wondering

why was the wd blue desktop harddrive 500 gb was way more expensive than the 1 tb

[sour wadi]

because its 2x the storage

[robust hedge]

No

the 500 gb is the way more expensive

[blissful night]

Because it's most likely a 3rd party seller

that is overpricing it

[robust hedge]

its like 5 times its price

same company sells the 500 and the 1tb

[torpid adder]

Because because

What company is it

[robust hedge]

western digital

[torpid adder]

Something tells me it's not wd selling the part

[robust hedge]

i'm buying it from amazon thats why

[minor sun]

Also, 500gb hdd....?

[robust hedge]

yes

[minor sun]

why...?

[robust hedge]

my brother has an old pc computer, its hanging in there

[minor sun]

yea just don't buy 500gb drives any more

[sour wadi]

2tb hhds are like 50$ why would you even bother with 500gb hff

[robust hedge]

really? from where

i'm just kinda scared that the plugs wont work because its kinda an old pc

and the hdd it self had a like a case so it can fit in the computer

[sour wadi]

Wd blue 2tb is 50$

https://pcpartpicker.com/mr/newegg/Jd8j4D

[robust hedge]

are you sure this is going to work with my pc

[sour wadi]

well whats your pc

if its from the past like 20 years it will

[robust hedge]

i dont know, its an old piece of junk that was bought for less than $200

[minor sun]

is the current drive a sata drive

[robust hedge]

i dont know?

how do i check

[sour wadi]

Ehh open up pc and check the connecters is easiest way

[minor sun]

take a picture

[sour wadi]

Sata

It will work

[minor sun]

ye

[robust hedge]

its a $100 dollars

with shipping

[minor sun]

wat

[robust hedge]

its $100 dollars with shipping

[minor sun]

if you just want to store things, this will do
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07H2RR55Q

if you want to store more things, this is a neater drive
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013JPKUU2

[glacial tiger]

Help meeee

[minor sun]

with

[glacial tiger]

hard drive

i bought a 4tn seagate hdd

[minor sun]

and

[glacial tiger]

i cant screenshot it

[sour wadi]

Probs not showing up and needs to be initialised?

[glacial tiger]

can i dm some1?

no i have formatted it

[sour wadi]

What's wrong?

[glacial tiger]

but it split the 4tb into 2 different like paths

[minor sun]

two different partitions

[glacial tiger]

ye

[minor sun]

you can merge partitions

[glacial tiger]

how do i?

[sour wadi]

Disk manager

[minor sun]

ye, in disk manager, delete a partition, expand the other

there's ways to merge it with other software, but on a new drive without stuff on it, easiest way is to do that

[glacial tiger]

i cant touch the 2nd partitiion

[minor sun]

what does it say

[glacial tiger]

i cant right click it with the options its suppose to give me

can i dm u?

i have the other 1.6 tb unallocated

[minor sun]

do it

[undone plover]

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-2tb-aorus-gen4-7000s/p/N82E16820009021?Item=N82E16820009021&Tpk=N82E16820009021 Just waiting for this bad boy to come in stock so it can go in the PS5. Anybody else get access to the beta yet?

[sour wadi]

That's a veryyy expensive 2tb drive btw may i recommend looking at other options

[dense merlin]

What's an hgst drive?

It's from may 2018 I know most hdds have a 3year lifespan

Are hsgts different?

[undone plover]

For the PS5 it has to be a gen 4 drive above 5500 mb/s with a heatsink that fits inside the slot.....price is not an issue.....if the 4tb seagate 530 wasn't outrageous at $1000 i would get that one.....

[sour wadi]

i see

[glacial tiger]

I bought a 4 tb hdd for $80

[minor sun]

hgst makes great drives, but they got bought out by WD years ago

[dense merlin]

Well I now have a hgst drive 4tb

Other than that i have no info on it

Do they have a long life span?

[minor sun]

them hgst drives do be doing well

[dense merlin]

So they have a much longer lifespan than most hdds?

[minor sun]

that's what I know

[dense merlin]

thanks

[undone plover]

Welp looks like that even that drive might be a smidgin too tall with the heatsink so that leaves basically only two options...the WD SN850 and the Seagate 530 of course both 2tb out of stock.....

[minor sun]

@undone plover rocket 4 plus 2tb

[undone plover]

gotta have a heatsink

[minor sun]

just buy a heatsink

[undone plover]

problem will be the same most aftermarket ones are too tall....

[minor sun]

sabrent literally makes a heatsink

[undone plover]

heatsink/drive has to be less than 11.25mm tall

[minor sun]

oh fun

also, looks like requirements mean don't need e18 drives, e16 drives work too

opens up a lot more options

this is 6.3mm tall for example
https://www.amazon.com/QIVYNSRY-heatsink-Double-Sided-Thermal-Silicone/dp/B08G823MLD/

[undone plover]

sn850 w/ heatsink is about 9mm and the fircuda 530 is 10.39mm.......found another...patriot viper vp4300 is 8mm but 2tb is yup out of stock....lol...

[minor sun]

sn850 is what looks to be back ordered straight from WD
https://shop.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-black-sn850-nvme-ssd#WDS200T1XHE-00AFY0

[undone plover]

damn...even my microcenter is out.....well i guess i'll just wait for stock or just get the sn 850/980 pro/pny cs3140 and find a low profile heatsink...

[robust hedge]

I got the new harddrive when i tried to plug it in, the pc doesnt see it

@minor sun

@sour wadi

I fixed that problem but it says Boot mode is not foubd

[sour wadi]

You will need to initialise it in disk manager in windows

[robust hedge]

Its a brand new hdd, it doesnt have anything in it

I cannot launch my pc

It doesnt even have windows on it

[pallid orchid]

How u gonna boot without windows

[sour wadi]

Plug your old hdd with windows on it in first and your new drive in

[robust hedge]

My old hdd is dead

Thats the reason i bough the new one

[sour wadi]

Ahh then you're gonna need to borrow someone elses pc to use windows media creation tool and create installation media on a usb then reinstall windows on your pc

[small steppe]

freaking tf out#6540 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

freaking tf out#6540 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[warm gulch]

I just got a HDD but idk where the cables are to plug it in because they are all so cramped

[steady talon]

How does the MP33 compare to a P31 Hynix gold?

[sour wadi]

Mp33 is a budget drive p31 is a premium drive but ehh not great xD

[steady talon]

xD

Not worth the $90 it’s on sale for?

[sour wadi]

Compared to the p31 it would get curb stomped, nice for budget build tho

[steady talon]

Ahh ok

[minor sun]

One is 90$, the other is 135$, I think the distinction is clear

[steady talon]

true

[shell jetty]

After having issues with game crashes and them persisting through a bios reset, bios update, fresh windows install and uninstalls I formatted my 970 evo and 860 evo as the next area to check. Steam will not write to these. Drive tests say they're both fine so anyone have any suggestions on that?

[torpid adder]

What partitioning scheme are they in

MBR vs GPT

[shell jetty]

I believe MBR, id have to check when I get home from work

[torpid adder]

would probably help if it was GPT

MBR is the old standard

[summer moat]

Does anyone know what would happen if I have an hdd installed in my pc already with windows 10 os and I install an ssd with another copy of windows 10, like will it just run the copy on the hdd that was already installed?

And I can just delete the second copy that is on the ssd

[sour wadi]

It will probs boot to hdd as it was there before, you can check/change boot order in bios

And boot to the ssd

Then do whatever you want with the hdd you can just wipe it and use it as normal storage

[unkempt quarry]

I was thinking about doing an all ssd build mechanical drives are just outdated

[sour wadi]

Hdds are fine for mass storage but yeah up to you, hdds as 2nd option of storage is just the most economical

[unkempt quarry]

That’s depending on what motherboard i use some only come with two sata cables

[sour wadi]

You can buy more sata cables?

[unkempt quarry]

Hang on let me check the motherboard i’m going with

[sour wadi]

They be like 5$ for a pack on Amazon lol

[summer moat]

Yeah probably

Is there a way I can completely wipe a drive without any 3rd party software? Everytime i try to use the reset thing on windows 10 it automatically reinstalls another copy of windows

[sour wadi]

File explorer, right click drive, format

[summer moat]

Alright cool. Thanks

[full cedar]

How much do you guys believe I can sell a 8TB Seagate HDD for? The cheapest I can find is around €200

[blazing musk]

New or used? If used what are the SMART stats? (Crystal Disk Info will tell you)

[full cedar]

I'll check

It's used

@blazing musk where can I find the mentioned "SMART stats"?

[blazing musk]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

[blazing musk]

That program will read the SMART data that's stored on the drive to show tons of useful info like how many hours the drive has been on

Over 31k hours on and it is reporting uncorrected errors, so that drive is probably getting near the end of its life

[full cedar]

What can you do about uncorrected errors?

[blazing musk]

Nothing, they just happen as the drive ages
31k hours is like having it on continuously for almost 4 years

[full cedar]

I've had it for a long time so yeah

[blazing musk]

You probably want to check out your E/F drive too, it's showing it's having errors too

[full cedar]

That's an old drive I took from a laptop to extract some pictures and folders from

[full cedar]

What's the most you would give for a drive like that?

[blazing musk]

Honestly the only way you'd be able to sell it is if you lie about its age (do not recommend) or the buyer doesn't know much about drives, unless you go really cheap to the point where it's barely worth selling.

These drives are only meant to last for about 5 years, anything past that is luck

[full cedar]

Also, is a 980 pro good for game storing in your opinion?

I need atleast a 1 TB m.2

[blazing musk]

It's decent but unnecessary.

[full cedar]

Do you have any suggestions?

[blazing musk]

Where that drive shines is in sequential read/write, it actually loses to some gen 3 drives in mixed and random I/O (like gaming)

P31

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08DKB5LWY

One of the best drives in random I/O and far cheaper than 980 pro

[full cedar]

What about Corsair or WD?

Since I buy from one specific store and they don't have SK SSDs

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md

Note that it says the LOW end drives are recommended for gamers, or midrange if the price is right. Games don't often suffer from bottlenecks at the storage level.

Once direct storage is a thing (Windows 11, then game devs need to enable it), a good drive might matter a little more but honestly that's a few years from wide support. Think how long ray tracing has been a thing, and how many games actually support it.

[shell jetty]

So, steam will not write to my 1TB Samsung 860 Evo at all, keeps giving me a disk write error. I've gone through a bunch of troubleshooting and still won't write to it. Epic will write to it however and testing it has proven its still healthy at its advertised speeds. Any suggestions on what to do next? My next step was to move what sata port its plugged into

[sour wadi]

Are you sure you have created a steam library for that drive

[real lava]

^

[tropic zinc]

uhh anyone knows why my HDD says 100 percent usage?

[tropic zinc]

for some context, i changed cases ( new power supply as well) and upgraded my CPU if that helps

[stuck river]

HDDs are slow so it dosnt take much to make it hit 100% utilization. Just let it sit for a whial till it finishes what its doing.

[sour wadi]

Something is writing to your hdd

[minor sun]

If you're not doing anything, just check task manager and see if windows is doing some weird things

[real lava]

Windows on hdd is slow

Especially 10

I see 100% disk usage all the time before I had an ssd

[tropic zinc]

I have an ssd but i dont see any utilization on it. could it not be plugged properly or ?

[blissful night]

That just means its not being used much

[real lava]

@tropic zinc Depends on if it's running the os or nah, or having anything running on it

Also that could be it

[blissful night]

If you can see it in task manager then it should be fine

My SSD right now with my OS on it goes from 0% to 1% idle

[tropic zinc]

It usually has 100 usage when i boot up or when I open something for a few

[blissful night]

It fluctuates

[real lava]

that's normal for an ssd

[tropic zinc]

my hdd^

[real lava]

oh hdd

[tropic zinc]

yeah

[blissful night]

HDDs are different

[real lava]

that's normal too

[tropic zinc]

I just never paid mind to it before I upgraded some parts so i was worrying

[blissful night]

Both my SSD and HDD at idle tend to be at 0%

[real lava]

oh yeah my ssd is at 0-1% as it's idling rn too

on os

[blissful night]

Yup completely normal

[real lava]

hdd is 0-1% cause it's just storage drive

[tropic zinc]

why doesnt my ssd get any usage though

its been at 0 all day

[real lava]

unless steam is updating my games

well it's normal

[blissful night]

Because you are not using it much

[tropic zinc]

what would be using the ssd?

[real lava]

task manager doesn't track every small activities

it doesn't log in real time

just displays what it detects every moment it updates the info

[tropic zinc]

ah

[real lava]

ssd's are much faster than hdd's

so that's why

[tropic zinc]

Yeah I was wondering on just upgrading to just ssd since my hdds take so much space of my case (lian li o11d mini)

[real lava]

if you have the money and m.2 on mobo

you can go ahead with it

or just sata ssds works too, they take less space

2.5 inches instead of 3.5

[tropic zinc]

I don have m.2 on my mobo. I initally went with hdd and ssd

[real lava]

ah

[tropic zinc]

I never really learned the differences

or what m.2 does

[blazing musk]

It's able to use the pci lanes instead of a sata connection for far faster speeds

[real lava]

m.2 is a form factor, that connects through m.2 connector

well it could be either sata or nvme (pcie storage protocal)

depends on mobo

but all modern mobos has m.2 nvme/sata

so it's not a worry

[tropic zinc]

So if I were to get some sort of storage right now, would you suggest m.2 or another ssd?

[real lava]

it just depends on your mobo

[tropic zinc]

I have the ASRock b50m

[real lava]

can you tell me the brand and model you have for the mobo?

like which exact model

[tropic zinc]

pro4

[real lava]

yeah that one should have like one or two m.2 nvme slots

[blazing musk]

Even if you don't have a m.2 slot you can get an adapter that plugs into the slot below your gpu

[real lava]

i suggest go m.2 nvme

[tropic zinc]

i do have nvme

just heard it interferes with some plug-ins

[real lava]

nah it won't

unless your cpu has not enough lanes which won't happen with normal setups

[blazing musk]

Perfect then, do that
No worries about compatibility

[real lava]

like single gpu and such

just an example of how m.2 looks like in its slot

[tropic zinc]

so nvmes are better than ssd? i just want to make sure this doesnt happen again lol

[real lava]

well now since we're gettin into m.2 nvme ssds, i have some suggestions to make for selection

yah nvme ssd's are faster than traditional sata ones

[tropic zinc]

when i booted it up after upgrading my cpu, it kind of shut off without word

recommendations yes!

[real lava]

alright, so

my recommendation are, wd sn550, sk hynix p31 nvme, samsung 980 nvme and mushkin pilot-e

whichever's cheapest

get either of those, they should work well

[tropic zinc]

difference in brands wont make a change either right?

[real lava]

1tb ones are for like 99-140

[tropic zinc]

cuz my ssd is wd

samsung**

[real lava]

yeah

it won't matter

the mobo only sees it as well, a drive

it won't care about the brand

[tropic zinc]

alright I'll go with that. Thank you!

[real lava]

just ping me or ask in here later if you have any questions relating to installing the drive

or refer to the manual

[tropic zinc]

will do : ) is it also okay if i ping you for other questions if other things happen?

[real lava]

sure

[blazing musk]

https://github.com/lQUBEXl/Gamezoid-Consumer-SSD-Buying-Guide/blob/main/README.md

[real lava]

oh that's a nice guide

[blazing musk]

You can thank windshields for pushing it enough for forks to pin it lol

[indigo arch]

I've just installed a new cooler to my PC. After plugging everything back in again etc and powered on the PC, my mechanical drive is now making an odd noise. Does anyone know what causes this?
It seems to be spinning up and then sounds like it's slows down and speeds up again .

If you listen carefully then you can hear it in this video

It seems to do it consistently with equal intervals and then just stop doing it. Because it's stopped now.

HD Sentinel shows on the smart test shows a red cross next to the "Off-line uncorrectable sector count" with an "advisory:usage limit exceeded"

Hmm. Now it seems to have gone green...

[blazing musk]

That's not a great sign

Probably either coincidence or electrical issues/interference

[indigo arch]

When I shut down the computer it starts to do it again.

The health on HD sentinel says the drive is fine.... So that's kinda a pain

God damn it..... I just installed this drive about a week ago.
I got it for free from an old home PC but I just set it up as a game drive and installed loads of games to it recently 🤦‍♂️

[blazing musk]

Try unplugging the drive and plugging it back in to different cables, same with the motherboard connector

If it still has issues then that drive won't live much longer. HD Sentinel only reads SMART errors and can't detect mechanical failure from things like read arm skipping and magnet expiration.

[indigo arch]

I unplugged the data cable from the mobo and put it in a different one but didn't do anything. Unplugged from drive and back in again too.

Might pull the drive out and run it on my HDD caddy and see what happens

[blazing musk]

(Yes magnets can expire, they gradually lose strength over time, that's why any magnetic media like VHS eventually goes static-y)

[indigo arch]

Maybe I'll do a non destructive surface test on the drive and see if anything happens 🤷‍♂️

[blazing musk]

Worth a try

[indigo arch]

It's just weird because during boot up it makes that noise and then after a few minutes it stops doing it and then when I shut down it starts doing it again.

Maybe I'll try running a game and see what happens on it first too

[open gazelle]

Anyone know much about Optiplex HDD caddies? Trying to find out if this fits the OP 5050
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/323313658932?hash=item4b46feec34:g:kTAAAOSwsJ1bLV2V

[karmic mantle]

Does crucial have its own drive software?

[blazing musk]

Not that I know of

[minor sun]

@karmic mantle Crucial has a SSD toolbox and storage directive thing

[short lodge]

Y’all know which one is better out of these two by chance

[blissful night]

Is that a Kingston A400

[upper quiver]

me thinks its a UV500

[torpid adder]

uhh

those screenshots are very readable mhm yes

the spreadsheed says the Micron one has 10MB/s faster read speeds

while the Kingston one has more NAND layers

[pallid orchid]

it is

[dense merlin]

my bfs hdd is having issues, they dont know the first thing about pcs and dont live near me, so i cant help but an ssd in

i had them do a virus scan, disk cleanup, checked if there was free space on the drive

none of those fixed it

[sour wadi]

Did the do chkdsk ?

[dense merlin]

would anything short of an ssd fix it?

idk how to use chkdsk

[minor sun]

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/administration/windows-commands/chkdsk

[dense merlin]

that looks scary

how can i get chkdsk to open?

[spice hedge]

You have to run command prompt first

[minor sun]

prob simplier explanations here
https://www.easeus.com/partition-manager-software/run-chkdsk-to-check-repair-drive.html

ye, run command prompt as admin

[dense merlin]

oh got it

ty

if the scan comes up with issues, can they just do chkdsk /repair?

or does the scan automatically fix it

nvm answered my own question

[dense merlin]

Scam

[spice hedge]

Yup

[loud topaz]

Is this an ok drive? https://www.newegg.com/team-group-mp33-512gb/p/N82E16820331416?Item=N82E16820331416&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-331-416-_-08192021

[minor sun]

Mp33 is decent

[loud topaz]

Will it work well as a boot device

[minor sun]

it's a decent drive, it'll work okay

[woven dragon]

anyone know if you can passively convert u.2 to sata?

[compact cape]

Anyone got an recommendations for a 2tb ssd preferably

[sour wadi]

Sn550, pilot e, hynix p31 depending on budget

[compact cape]

About 200

[sour wadi]

200 usd? That's a bit low for a 2tb

They usually 220ish

[compact cape]

UK pound

[sour wadi]

I'd get sn550 then

[compact cape]

Yeah I've seen that one, it's to replace my hdds got 4tbs of them 😂

[sour wadi]

Well hope that 200 is per drive

[compact cape]

I'll only get one for now

[dense merlin]

Just having an ssd as your boot drive will be nice

[compact cape]

Yeah got a 1tb seagate barracuda as my boot

[dense merlin]

Yeah load times will be much faster, with my old pc I had to wait atleasy 5min after boot to do anything, even as simple as opening discord

Now it's basically instant

[compact cape]

Blimey

[pale violet]

How can you see the read/write speed of a external drive from windows?

[sour wadi]

Crystal disk mark

Is how you do internal, idk if it works with external

[torpid adder]

it sees mine

should work

it doesn't touch flash drives though

wait

seems to show up nvm

crystal disk info doesn't see it tho

[blazing musk]

Does flash drives for me, might just not like your hub

Front ports are iffy

[compact cape]

Do m.2 nvme ssds need a cache

[minor sun]

99% of them have a cache

they just often don't list it

[compact cape]

Ahh alright was confused about that

[real lava]

Even crappy ones has cache

[warm oasis]

Hey so I just got a ssd upgraded from a hhd how do I move windows only windows from my hhd to my ssd

Cuz my hhd is 1tb and i have over 900gb in my hhd and my ssd is only 500gb

[pallid orchid]

Fresh install

[stiff pier]

if you can, link your current install of Windows to a Microsoft account. signing in on that account could help the transition along easier, from I recall.

[pallid orchid]

Only for license

[warm oasis]

What does that mean and how would I do that?

[pallid orchid]

Make a windows bootable and install

Just google download windows 10

And click on Microsofts website link

[ripe stag]

Does it matter which sata data port i connect ssd to?

[blissful night]

It shouldn't

[ripe stag]

There are four and the manual doesnt give any detail about which one to use

[blissful night]

Whatever one is fine

[ripe stag]

When i turned on pc, my gpu flickered and then went out i thought i fried my whole rig

But then 5 mins later of flicking it on and off it finally worked again idk what happened

[blissful night]

Graphics driver installing?

[ripe stag]

That would stop all my fans and all hardware from running?

[blissful night]

Oh then your PC was just rebooting

Sometimes on first POST it's normal

[ripe stag]

How could it reboot if i had psu turned off

[blissful night]

What?

[ripe stag]

And power cable unplugged and replugged in

[blissful night]

Your GPU can't flicker without power?...

[warm oasis]

Ok i'll let u know what happens

[ripe stag]

Im being confusing, nvm sry

I literally just plug the 6 pin sata connector into psu where it says sata right… like i think this is the reason it flickered and died

[blissful night]

You should not have your PSU on while plugging stuff in

[ripe stag]

Yes ik

How do i check on my pc to see if sata ssd is installed

[warm oasis]

1st.... LOL i'm sorry i'm dumb but how do I make a windows bootable

I tried finding it out my self but failed

[ripe stag]

Its only showing my nvme not my sata…

[pallid orchid]

https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/software-download/windows10

[warm oasis]

I download this on my ssd and run it?

[real lava]

go to disk management

i think you could look it up in win search

[sour wadi]

You run that on a pc /laptop you have atm and burn it onto a usb

[real lava]

^

[unique loom]

Looking for some new storage, need around 2tb. I don't really have a budget, but on the cheaper side would be nice

Unless there's a good deal on more storage, then I'd be glad to pay mroe

[sour wadi]

Sn550 or pilot e 2tb

[real lava]

if hdd either wd blue or seagate barracuda should do ok

they're like 60-70 a pop for 2tb

[peak terrace]

hi, so when i install my hdd it doesnt show up here?

but here it shows

[blazing musk]

Needs to be initialized

Then you make a new partition, format it, and assign it a letter

[peak terrace]

tysm, ive been trying to fix it for a while and now i saw a video that u need to go there. Thanks for helping

[indigo arch]

Hey all. I have noticed that my 2 m.2 drives are starting to run pretty hot in my case and was wondering what my best method would be to try and help get more airflow across them to keep them cool
My C drive has managed to get up to 57 C in its lifetime with the other m.2 getting upto 61 C.
My case is the phanteks evolv x with the default case fans it came with. 2 at the front 1 at the back. The drives are Samsung 970 Evo on the C drive and Samsung 970 Evo Plus on the other m.2. Mobo is the Asrock Z370 pro4

[tall ore]

Neither of those are Hot...

57C is like, child's play for an SSD

And 61C is barely warm

If they were hitting like 80C regularly? That's cause for concern.

But, NAND Flash likes to be a little warm.

[minor sun]

Also, keep in mind where the sensors are

Nand likes up to like 75c iirc, from specs from like 128L micron nand or smth

Controller should be fine up to like 95c, like other pieces of silicon

[indigo arch]

Ok let me put it another way then. All the other drives in my PC apart from 1 are SSDs all these other drives are running at around 26 to 28 C. I would like it if i can try and have my M.2s runs at a closer temprature to this. Perhaps down in the 30s if possible.
What would be my best method?

[minor sun]

Just remember density and how m.2 drives have much less surface area to dissipate heat compared to 2.5in drives, but there are m.2 heatsinks avaliable

[indigo arch]

Perhaps i shall take a look into those then. Thanks

Also, i use Hard Disk Sentinel to monitor details of my drives. I have 1 mechanical drive that i may have broken after installing a new cooler to my PC a week ago. It works but makes an odd noise now.
What other programs are out there that would be good to check the life of the drive?

[minor sun]

Hd sentinel is good

[indigo arch]

Oh someone else the other day said this wasn't great for looking at any hardware defects on the drive only looking at smart errors. But i guess there might not be anything out there that can detect hardware issues...?

[tall ore]

You don't want to do that though... The NAND Flash likes to be around 60 to 70C. It's just a product of how it's designed.

There's no reason to cool an SSD.

It doesn't add anything to the performance.

And in some cases, if cooled TOO much, can reduce performance.

E.X Don't make an SSD go sub-zero

[indigo arch]

I'm not necessarily looking for performance increase. Just ensuring longevity of the product

But if you say the most suitable tempratures are up there then fair enough. I won't worry about it

[tall ore]

It won't have any detriment to the longevity.

As long as it's running under the Thermal Limit (around 95C) then it's fine.

[indigo arch]

If i were to mirror the mechanical drive over to another one that i have so that i can run a surface test on it, this wont mirror over the same problems will it? I feel like the answer would be no because the drive i want to mirror to doesn't have any surface errors and the data on it appears to be fine from what i can tell. I just want to mirror it over so i don't loose what's on there (It's nothing important. It's just a game drive but dont want to have to re install everything again)

[minor sun]

I mean, all software can do is read smart data, and hd sentinel is good at that

If there's a dent in the drive, you might want to check it out, yaknow.

[real lava]

^

[indigo arch]

What do you mean dent in the drive?

[minor sun]

I mean, like if you dropped the HDD, and there's now a dent in the drive, might be the cause for issues, yaknow.

[indigo arch]

Oh right i see. The drive stayed in the case the whole time i installed the new cooler. There is no external damage to the drive. I think i might have messed up one of the headers or something when i laid the case down.
I'm gonna mirror the drive over to another one that i have and then do a reinitialise disk surface test to try and repair it

[plush crag]

PSA https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/p9j4pk/what_happens_when_you_use_a_modular_psu_cables/

[limpid snow]

Lmfao.

[blazing musk]

I've done that too... Thankfully didn't kill anything except the PSU

[limpid snow]

Now I gotta be worried about all the extra PSU cables I have laying around lmfao.

From seasonic, thermaltake, coolermaster, and Corsair.

[blazing musk]

Label those suckers

[limpid snow]

Too late now, they’re all in a box somewhere.

Looks like I’m gonan have to dump the box.

[blazing musk]

Most of them have some kind of identifier, like I have some that say BQ on the side that goes to the PSU

I know those ones go to the EVGA BQ I put in a build for my brother in law.

[limpid snow]

Hmm, I’ll have to take a look then.

Thermaltake or coolermaster have some weird connectors so those should be easy to see.

But seasonic look like Corsair ones.

[torpid adder]

I still don't see how this could be lmao

[minor sun]

nand flash just likes to run warm

[real lava]

^

My ssd is usually 40-50c without much usage

[tranquil finch]

welp is seems like I am going with Silicon Power P34A80, now all I have to do is buy a gpu

[undone island]

So im at microcenter. Was looking to get the sn550. Was told it's bad now. Is there a solid secondary option

[pallid orchid]

p31 gold

[undone island]

Microcenter doesn't have em

Rip

[tall ore]

Whatever the person at Microcenter is saying is a crock of crap. The SN550 is a perfectly good drive.

[undone island]

Nah not microcenter. Sips said they changed the caching or something

[tall ore]

Sips isn't a tech person. He's a Twitch personality...

The SN550 is, and has been one of the best cheap drives with excellent Random Read and Random Write performance.

[undone island]

P31 looks like a better option

[slate arch]

Does this channel also cover storage troubleshooting?

[minor sun]

sure

[slate arch]

I ask because I just had a dll based error in which I had to go thru powershell and run a dism healthrestore because none of my apps would open on my C drive, and i want a second opinion on whether or not that’s a sign to get a new hard drive

[minor sun]

dism/sfc are just pretty standard windows troubleshooting things, if it fixed corrupted files and fixed your issue, I wouldn't be too worried, not that big of a deal, but you could check drive SMART info for health with software like cdi or like hd sentinel

[tall ore]

CDI stands for CrystalDiskInfo by the way.

[minor sun]

ye

hwinfo also has smart info afaik

[tall ore]

I believe it does.

[slate arch]

After the first scan it said there were irreperable files, then i ran health restore, it got stuck at 62.3%, i aborted and ran another scan, and it said no issues

Restarted and its working now

[slate arch]

If i did pick up a new drive, and the sn550 wasnt available to me, which would be the go to, a sn750, or 970 evo plus ssd, both at 1tb

[sour wadi]

Imo neither, can you not get like next day Amazon shipping or something instead?

[torpid adder]

I feel like it just doesn't matter what temp it's at between ambient and max

why else would a SATA drive perform nicely

they don't get that warm

[minor sun]

it's more like running at 40-50c is good, and performs better than say cooled to 20c

[ember cedar]

I’ve never bought second hand storage, what are the implications of getting a secondhand HDD?

[torpid adder]

my hard drive is second hand

it's decent but be wary

[ember cedar]

Yeah I’m avoiding any old server drives

[torpid adder]

mine is an old business hard drive

16k hours on it :^)

[small steppe]

Graison#2062 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ember cedar]

Well

I don’t know what I said but I was going to say thank you

[torpid adder]

ah

[blazing musk]

Might want to check this out, it's pretty recent this has been noticed. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/wd-blue-sn550-ssd-performance-cut-in-half-slc-runs-out

They actually changed the flash memory that's used

[pallid orchid]

@sour wadi

sn550 no longer bae

[blazing musk]

Depending on which version you end up with, yeah sadly. It's not quite as bad as Schrodinger's NAND but not a good thing.

The new revision, on the other hand, provides a write performance that just barely beats the inferior WD Green SN350 when both drives have their SLC caches occupied.

[undone island]

But how hard is it to fill that cache

Article said mostly when moving 4k files n stuff right?

[blazing musk]

You'll fill the cache during normal use. Small file transfers happen a lot doing normal tasks, gaming, running a browser...

[undone island]

Gotcha

[blazing musk]

It has 12GB of cache sure, so it'll mostly be extended use cases and gaming affected.

[undone island]

Makes sense. Thanks for the info. Was going to get one today but was told about that issue but no real explanation

[blazing musk]

You can get it and check which revision the flash is, and exchange it if it's the bad one

So if the firmware starts with 23, give it back

[torpid adder]

lol

companies can't decide if they want to make a good or trash product

[sour wadi]

Ohh yikes

[minor sun]

do keep in mind, from their SN550 review:

Its write cache recovers quickly too. Within 30 seconds of idle time, it is ready for more writes.

so I doubt it'll really affect us

unless you're hitting it with like constant 20gb transfers

shouldn't be too noticable

but it is sad

[blazing musk]

Imagine how long it'll take to transfer the 120gb of cod data once that cache fills...

[torpid adder]

lol

[minor sun]

400mb/s is still not too bad

keep in mind something like an Intel 665p will only write at 185mb/s after cache fills

[tall ore]

Which, that is darn near HDD speeds.

[real lava]

Least in randoms it's gonna still be faster than any HDDs lel

But ye, 660p is uh, rip once cache runs out

[tall ore]

Well, I guess I can say that my Mushkin drive purchase was the right one.

Because I'm not dealing with the SN550 debacle

[pallid orchid]

At that time? No

Right now? Probably

[daring swan]

What are some good solid state drives? Doesn't matter how much space it has, if it's at least 250 GB it's fine with me

[ashen aurora]

Look at pins

[daring swan]

Oh, thanks

[sour wadi]

Don't bother getting a 250gb ssd anymore, go straight to 500gb, there's like a 5$ difference

[real lava]

^

Very tiny price diff

[torpid adder]

or just buy 250s cheap

they're never worth it from a proper retailer

[spice hedge]

This

If you can, go for 1TB since games are taking a lot of space now

[sour wadi]

I mean if you're tight on budget, as long as you have a boot ssd, with some of the main programs you use you can always add like a 2tb hdd later on or something for the same price as a 500gb ssd

[open gazelle]

So I've been having two fun issues with my 6tb HDD (WD RED: WDC WD60EFRX-68MYMN1).

Basically every so often my HDD (or Windows, idk) will stop allowing reads/writes for about 30s. HDD is still spinning but no sounds of activity. After its random idle period everything starts working like normal as if nothing happened.

Then as for the other issue, pretty uncommon, but almost acts like a dead drive that can only be recovered with an HDD power cycle. Some files can still be accessed by what I assume is Windows caching files, but most files cant. Exploring non-cached directories results in a long search to nothing. If I try to unmount then remount the drive in Windows it basically results in Windows not being able to find the drive. If I restart (meaning not power cycle HDD) and goto BIOS the HDD doesnt show up under listed drives. Shutting down and waiting for a min lets the HDD start working again.

For some other notes: I have disabled indexing, write caching, automatic defragement/optimizations, and excluded the drive from Win defender scans (I wanted as little random reads/writes to this drive as possible due to it being pretty much the loudest thing in my PC). SMART checks show up as good - nothing wrong.

[copper compass]

https://hexus.net/tech/news/storage/148295-samsung-latest-ssd-maker-spotted-swapping-components/ hah

Shamesung

970 Evo Plus used to be better than 980 because it has DRAM cache

and now they are equal. Same controller, same NAND, same DRAM less

[minor sun]

I mean, it's supposedly 980 pro controller

although it does seem to get a bit hot

[daring swan]

I already have a 4 TB HDD so a 500 GB SSD should be fine for me

[sour wadi]

Nice

[real lava]

Even Samsung is swapping stuff

But at least they did change spec sheets and stuff

Not silent changes like others did

[tall ore]

You say that. But when you see the loading times on games on that SSD, you are going to want a BEEG SSD.

Hell, I have a 1TB SSD and a 3TB HDD, and I want a wholeass 4TB SSD because god bless, I'd kill to have EVERYTHING on an SSD.

[daring swan]

Alright then, going to find a cheap 1 TB SSD using the guide that's pinned. Can't really spend a lot

[tall ore]

Just buy a Mushkin Pilot-E and call it a day.

[daring swan]

mushkin? Never heard of them but they sound good

Wow the SSD is surprisingly cheap, $100 on Amazon

[tall ore]

Yeah, and it's basically on-par with the pre-swap SN550

The SN550 used to be the cheap-king of Random Reads and Writes.

But, Western Digital decided to swap some stuff.

[sour wadi]

Pilot e or kingston a2000 probs

[sour wadi]

That's a different drive, the helix l most likely, not as good

[minor sun]

A2000 sad

[sour wadi]

Is it? Thought it was sn550 ish level?

[minor sun]

I'd put it more like helix L level

[sour wadi]

Ohh

Ehh alright in eu then still

As an entry level drive it's usually cheapest

[daring swan]

Nope it's $112 on Amazon, pretty good price

[sour wadi]

Ahh yes 112 sounds right, 100 too cheap for it

[daring swan]

Sorry. Meant to say "about $100"

[ashen aurora]

Better definitely, even better than SN550 surely. Newmaxx had a write-up about it

PS: Review on tomshardware tests it with the old firmware

[minor sun]

Oh alright

@ashen aurora I assume new firmware leads to higher performance?

[ashen aurora]

it had some issues with pSLC cache recovery

[minor sun]

The previous firmware?

[dense merlin]

Is the Samsung MZ7WD480HAGM ok?

It also only has 60gb of free space

Pc is lagging, slow disc messages as well as twitch lagging out, while installing shaders for warzonr

Gpu is between 80-99% fluctuating

[tall ore]

I'd probably replace that.

It looks like it's an ancient MLC Server grade SSD.

A 1TB Mushkin Pilot-E would likely fix all of your problems.

[dense merlin]

is a 2280 ssd compatible with a 22110 port?

nvme*

[tall ore]

Uhhhh....

I'm not 100% sure.

[dense merlin]

@blazing musk

@steady talon

@minor sun

[steady talon]

Wait what?

Yeah it should be compatible

[tall ore]

22110 is typically just a really LONG M.2 Port

[steady talon]

2280 and 22110 refer to the size of the stick

If the port has a standoff for a 2280 you’re good to go

[tall ore]

Most motherboards with NVMe slots have them up to that length. And it should have a 2280 standoff.

You just have to make sure it's keyed for NVMe

Which is an M key

[dense merlin]

i have no clue what that means

[tall ore]

If your motherboard has 2 notches in the M.2 Slot, then you can only accept a SATA SSD in the M.2 slot

If it has 1 notch, it can accept NVMe

[blazing musk]

If the board has a 22100 slot it definitely fits a 2280

[tall ore]

Can we get this image pinned?

It's actually quite informative.

[limpid snow]

Can it accept Sata as well?? I’d assume so.

[tall ore]

Not sure.

[plush crag]

Sometimes, depends on board

[open gazelle]

M+B is 99% always SATA, but sometimes PCIe. M is usually SATA or PCIe, but sometimes PCIe only.

[ripe stag]

never heard of AHCI only sata and nvme

[real lava]

AHCI would still work with M key slot

[olive wadi]

sata and ahci are one in the same just like how pcie and nvme are one in the same

ahci should still be sata

[olive wadi]

b+m key nvme exists

it's just not very common

[sour wadi]

@olive wadi I've seen sometimes on motherboards listening an m.2 e key, i couldn't find much info on that, what is it?

[tall ore]

I believe that E-key is for... Wi-Fi devices? But I could be wrong.

[sour wadi]

What i guessed but

[real lava]

E-key sure is for other mini pcie devices

Laptops uses that for wifi cards

[olive wadi]

wofi devices

[sour wadi]

Wifi?

[limpid snow]

Nah wofi

[sour wadi]

Is wofi a thing or are you messing with me lol?

[limpid snow]

Nah I’m screwing around. No idea if wofi is a thing, probably meant wifi. 🙂

[sour wadi]

Ahh okay good lol

[olive wadi]

waifu device

[sour wadi]

Ahh okay

[pallid orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/waifu-mine-gif-18741960

[ripe thorn]

I just got a new 4tb hdd today and it seems I dont have any power to it, none of the current cords fit, how do i fix this?

it is a WD BLUE 3.5 inch

[sour wadi]

You need a sata power cord it should come out of the power supply?

[ripe thorn]

None of the cords seem to fit into it? only the large L shaped one

[torpid adder]

so you have it powered, now you have a data cable

[sour wadi]

The the data cable will have came with your motherboards box, or you'll have to buy a sata cable

[ripe thorn]

right, this thing has been around awhile, Thank you, I've got a cable on the way now

[verbal snow]

So i wasnt aware till now that maxtor was made by seagate huh honestly not the best what so ever

[trim cloak]

jes

[loud topaz]

The wd black SN750 is a good nvme ssd right?

[torpid adder]

yeah it's nice

[trim cloak]

i didn’t know the sn750 had the chance of being mean

[torpid adder]

I can be your angle

or yuor devil >:)

[trim cloak]

😳

[minor sun]

sn750 is a bit wacky

it's mediocre in general

[real lava]

^

least they didn't swap stuff like sn550 tho

scary

[blissful locust]

What is the opinion on this over a 970 evo?
https://www.pcbyte.com.au/p/samsung-980-m-2-2280-nvme-1tb-internal-ssd-3500mb-s-mz-v8v1t0bw-235184?attrib=1-278&attrib=119-7515&ppg=96&order=price+desc

it's $10 cheaper than a 970 evo for me

[blazing musk]

980 is better than 970 evo, but if that's the price that's still way too much.
P31 gold is one of the best consumer drives and it's only around $130 for 1tb.

[blissful locust]

Yea, the problem is the P31 gold is overpriced in Australia for some reason

I was going for it but the Aussie price doubled on Amazon for it

[blazing musk]

Ah that changes things, I'll find you a good drive

[blissful locust]

sure thing

[blazing musk]

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/pxKcCJ/crucial-p1-1tb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-ct1000p1ssd8

That drive will be plenty unless you are doing 4k video editing

If you are the 980 is going to be the best in that class

[olive wadi]

no its high end

its just mediocre in random mixed io

[real lava]

Not worth when there's other drives at same price tho

[olive wadi]

mid end drives at the same price because sn750 is only $120 in murica now

[minor sun]

But dat price makes it sad, therefore mediocre

[red jay]

I tempted to put one of these in my laptop just out of curiosity https://www.ebay.com/itm/184489984910?hash=item2af475c38e:g:0pMAAOSw6rFfiN8~

Im pretty sure it's thin enough to fit too lmao

I have a 10k velociraptor drives but of course those are jsut too thick to fit in pretty much all modern laptops

[tall ore]

It's a SAS drive, it won't even work.

SAS drives have a special connector.

Serial Attached SCSI (Pronounced Scuzzy) is mostly used in Servers.

[red jay]

and that's why adapters exist

[real lava]

The adapters won't for in the laptop

[red jay]

bro i can make anything work trust me

[real lava]

Just don't do it unless you're okay with cutting your laptop up

[pallid orchid]

make amd apus and nvidia 16 series and up gpus work for hackintoshing and then ill believe you

[plush crag]

Please try and post your results

To be fair, most sas HBAs can also run sata.

[red jay]

bet

all it takes is time

[karmic drift]

What storage device should I get? I want an Nvme m.2 that’s fast 1tb for OS then a mass storage.

[sour wadi]

Depends on the budget

[paper arrow]

Mushkin pilot-e, WD sn750, skhynix p31 gold is typically what I use for boot.

[sour wadi]

Other than sn750 yeah good choices, 750 is okay in the right usecase

[paper arrow]

@sour wadi it's in my wife's rig for light gaming. I have a skhynix p31 gold in my rig.

[sour wadi]

Sn750 just has meh random

But it also depends on price imo

Like if it's for games, meh

[paper arrow]

Ya I got it for $109 locally and she needed one so it is what it is.

[sour wadi]

Nais price

[paper arrow]

They do run kinda hot but for her use and tossing a copper cooler on it seems to do well

I def wouldn't recommend an sn750 over a p31 gold

@sour wadi I mean at the end of the day it's a decent nvme drive with dram cache just not at msrp. There are better drives and I wouldn't use an sn750 for anything really important. I've also had really good experiences with WD RMA process should anything go wrong with it.

They have always mailed me back enterprise drives when my wd blacks or reds died

[sour wadi]

Fair enough yeah

[paper arrow]

The mushkin pilot-e has also been really good for my metadata and transcoding cache in my plex server never tried one as a boot drive tho @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

All v nice drives tho

[paper arrow]

I mean the Samsung nvme drives are also really good minus the 980 non pro just they are $$$

[karmic drift]

Is the wd sn750 faster than the Samsung 980 evo plus

[olive wadi]

980 evo plus doesn't exist

[olive wadi]

i removed the note since there aren't many up to date reviews on it, firmware may have changed

it performs about mid-end in terms of random performance but is high end in sustained

i've actually moved the SSD tier list to my own github, you can see the note on the one thats pinned

[serene laurel]

Why is the normal 980 not good?

[blazing musk]

It's good, just the mixed i/o performance isn't as good as the other specs

It's priced like a very high end drive but mixed performance like gaming is about mid range

Which is still more than passable, but just get a P31 gold for $50 less

[serene laurel]

I’m sorry, what brand is a p31 gold xD

[blazing musk]

SK Hynix

[crimson ice]

I have a question if and how I can transfer all my files except my OS over to a storage device from my m.2 to have max performance

[blazing musk]

Cut and paste. Seriously, it's fine.

[crimson ice]

its that easy?

[blazing musk]

If you don't need to move the OS, yeah.
If you want to get fancy you can set your default folders in settings and reinstall your programs on the new drive.

[crimson ice]

Ok thank you for the help 😀

[crimson ice]

also what are your thoughts on the GIGABYTE Aorus m.2 because thats the one I have.

[blazing musk]

Which one? There's several models

[serene laurel]

So, the Samsung 980 has MLC Nand, which I’ve read is more reliable than stuff with more layers. The p31 gold is bragging about 128 layer chips. Will that affect how long it lasts or how prone to corruption it will be?

[blazing musk]

Reliability is not an important metric on modern drives. They'll outlast every other component in the PC.

[serene laurel]

Oh ok

I mean, it’s not gonna just up and fail for no reason I hope

[blazing musk]

I've been using my m.2 drive for 4 years and it still reports 92% life remaining, and that's after 9 different OS installations.

[crimson ice]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-PCI-Express-Interface-Performance-GP-ASM2NE6100TTTD/dp/B07TJWZGL9/ref=sr_1_5?crid=F8Y5FBM6H83R&dchild=1&keywords=gigabyte+auros+m.2+ssd&qid=1630297489&sprefix=gigabyte+auros+m.2%2Caps%2C209&sr=8-5

[serene laurel]

Are you using the p31? And windows?

[blazing musk]

Nah I have a HP EX920, but yes windows is on that drive

P31 didn't exist then

[serene laurel]

Nice. I have windows on a crucial m510, but I want to dual boot Ubuntu Studio onto a separate nvme ssd

[crimson ice]

GIGABYTE AORUS NVMe Gen4 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 4.0 Interface High Performance Gaming, Full Body Copper Heat Spreader, Toshiba 3D NAND, DDR Cache Buffer, SSD GP-ASM2NE6100TTTD

[blazing musk]

The gen 4 one then.
Gen 4 is mostly unnecessary unless you're doing a lot of sequential work like video editing in 8k.

Several gen 3 drives can beat gen 4 drives in mixed and random i/o, the metrics that actually matter.

[crimson ice]

I'm gonna be streaming and making videos on youtube and gaming so I wanted something that could keep up.

[blazing musk]

It'll do fine but you didn't have to spend so much is all

[crimson ice]

LOL you should see the rest of the build then

[blazing musk]

That's pretty common when you're building your own pc.
Mo' money doesn't mean mo' betta in computing

Some of the lists people put on here are ridiculous. I saw one all corsair build that was $3k for a 11600k and 3070.

[crimson ice]

Mine was about 4k and then everything like monitors and such probably around 6-6.5k and after I added all the streaming equipment and rgb stuff more like 10k or so 😅

[blazing musk]

Oooofff

Even my build didn't cost half that

And I have a 3090 that cost $2300 alone 🙃 💩

[crimson ice]

I have a msi x trio 2080 ti but that was before all the 30 series and 64gb of trident z royal silver which probably cost more than my motherboard lol all in all not a bad rig but if you want I can give you the full build list.

I'm also running a triple monitor setup on maxed out settings so I wanted something that would hold up.

the ironic part is the way things are priced now it might cost more to build the same one again not that I would I'll probably upgrade to an even better one next time not sure.

[blazing musk]

I'm sure that would do just fine for a few more years until the shortages are over at least. Probably a little longer than that.

[crimson ice]

I hope but that depends on how the games are and what they require to run thats moving quickly too.

[paper arrow]

@serene laurelthe 980 non pro is dramless that was the one i was talking about

and confusingly the 980 non pro is pcie 3.0 not 4.0 like the 980 pro. pretty much all the other pcie 3.0 nvme ssds in that price range or a little higher like the mushkin pilot-e, wd sn750, samsung 970 evo plus, skhynix p31 gold have a dram cache

[blazing musk]

Cache isn't the whole story, but it can help with some things

[sour wadi]

Ahh okay thanks

[sour wadi]

Samsung markets all their drives as mlc afaik btw

[dense merlin]

reccomendations on a small boot sata ssd?

my gf has an hdd and theyre having disc issues

[hasty osprey]

we bought my friend a kingston a400 120gb for 20 £ and it works just fine for windows for him

[dense merlin]

isnt that an nvme?

[hasty osprey]

na

[dense merlin]

thanks

[hasty osprey]

i dont think i can send links but just go amazon and search
Kingston SSD A400 Solid State Drive (2.5 Inch SATA 3), 120 GB,SA400S37/120G,Black

its on a bit of a sale rn too

[sour wadi]

I wouldn't go with that, it's a cheap of the cheap drive, I'd check the pins, there's a sata SSD buying section

[olive wadi]

its 3 bit mlc which is tlc

🤯

[olive wadi]

and layer count has nothing to do with it being slc/mlc/tlc/qlc

thats counting how many word lines tall a plane is, not how many bits can be stored on a cell

[olive wadi]

BUY PCIE 4 SSD FOR MY FORTNITE CLIPS I MUST

[minor sun]

I was literally typing that when I scrolled down...

:p

[minor sun]

but the 980 uses 128 layer TLC, which means 3 bits per cell, and 128 layers of those cells, but it does use a SLC cache, like many other drives.

[real lava]

980?

oh yeah i confused it with 980 pro

heck

[minor sun]

the more reliable/higher performance stuff is about slc/mlc/tlc/qlc/plc with how many bits per cell

[real lava]

980 pro is qlc

[minor sun]

980 pro is tlc

[real lava]

huh?

[minor sun]

128/136L tlc afaik

like maybe you're confusing it with rocket q4?

that's qlc

[real lava]

ah yeah

tlc is 980 pro

mlc was in the 970 pro

[minor sun]

ye

sustained op

[real lava]

i one time found an enterprise samsung drive

was mlc

it was something p? i dunno

but i sure wanted it, dc bout seqs much since randoms were decent

and mlc has nice endurance sooo

[olive wadi]

are you higher than a giraffes private parts

[minor sun]

lol

[real lava]

i was confused

he corrected me already kek

[minor sun]

@olive wadi do you have any insider info on how the new 980 variant performs? (allegedly 980 pro controller on 980, allegedly much higher controller temps because no heatsink, around same seq, and better rnd?)

[barren rock]

@tranquil jasper u might get more help here, this channel is made for storage

[tranquil jasper]

Thanks it slipped past my past my eyes.

[serene laurel]

So, it’s sounding like mlc vs tlc doesn’t matter in the Samsung drives, they’re all technically tlc?

[sour wadi]

Samsung probs has a few non tlc drives but the 980 and 970 evo? Are tlc anyway ye

[olive wadi]

no

[olive wadi]

970 pro is only 2bit mlc and is eol

theres no non discontinued mlc consoomer ssds

[minor sun]

sad

but 970 pro was cool

nice sustained

[minor sun]

keep in mind there are some sammy sata drives that are qlc (860qvo/870qvo), but most sammy drives will be tlc

@tranquil jasper So, if you haven't gotten a solution yet, what motherboard do you have?

[tranquil jasper]

GIGABYTE B450M GAMING

[minor sun]

what cpu?

[tranquil jasper]

Sorry for the delay. It's a Ryzen 3700x

[glacial jolt]

what are some good NVME drives that are on par or better than sn750? Right now I can get a 500GB sn750 for like $85 CAD.

I just need it for a boot drive

[spice hedge]

That's a loaded question since you'll get a ton of different answers. I personally use Samsung Evos but that's just me. People have used the SN750s, etc.

[minor sun]

Windshields' guide that's pinned is good

@tranquil jasper what's been the history of the issue, just stopped working one day when you turned it on or just crashed one day and never worked again?

[olive wadi]

EVO SUCKS SN750 CRINGE P31 GOLD KING

[tranquil jasper]

It worked beautifully. Went to drink . Died. It died

[minor sun]

Hm

@olive wadi btw you should prob throw down the link to your GitHub and tell forks to edit the pinned msg

[olive wadi]

WHATS GITHUB

[spice hedge]

To each his own

[minor sun]

Windshields meming afaik

[olive wadi]

performance metrics are objective and can not be swayed by personal opinion

when it comes to ssds you are right or youre wrong

[sour wadi]

Pilot e is a good shout in most countries

[spice hedge]

Sure, whatever you say

[olive wadi]

[torpid adder]

[olive wadi]

me showing graphs proving that samsung is the embodiment of all evil on earth and must be annihilated

[torpid adder]

lol

[glacial jolt]

yeah I checked and sn750 is the best for the price I'm already gonna be paying

Pilot E is like almost $100 here

[olive wadi]

inb4 not looking at the market right

[olive wadi]

pilot e is good because a pilot is a stay the course man who knows the rules

[minor sun]

Time to double check your work >:D

Also windshields thoughts on randomly dead crucial p2?

Sn550 looks to be 70cad

Sammy 980 also 75 cad

[olive wadi]

CRUCIAL P2 GOT BOOTED OFF THE LIST FOREVER AGO

[minor sun]

bo

I mean a guy unfortunately bought and used a p2
And it died

[olive wadi]

cs3030 is booted too since it could be tlc or qlc so ill categorize it later

[olive wadi]

local man has computer part fail on him 🤯 unheard of

[minor sun]

It seemed to have died

Tbh most likely it's just dead but if you haven't heard of any issues specifically with p2

[olive wadi]

the p2 sucks diaper thats all i know about it

[minor sun]

Too lazy to pay too much attention to drives when cpus are the current thing I'm paying attention to

[olive wadi]

cpus are lame

[minor sun]

12th gen Intel is cool

Big little cores are fun

Foveros is nice

Emib is nice

V cache is nice

3dfabic is nice

[sour wadi]

[minor sun]

And hey, Intel new fab might be working on 3dxpoint

[glacial jolt]

oh actually, I can get the Sammy 980 for $10 cheaper than sn750 and the 750 is also out of stock. Hm... and the boot times will probably be negligible between the 2 even though sammy has worse NAND and is slightly worse in R/W speeds.

assuming prices stay the same by the time I get paid, I'll probably do the Sammy.

[crimson loom]

does anyone here have any suggestions for good 128gb nvme ssds here? i have a budget around 100 dollars (though some of which is going to be used up for shipping so id say around 80 dollars) ik its not much of a big budget but i need a ssd asap since my current one died

[dense merlin]

100$ is enough for a 1tb

[crimson loom]

oh hi you are in here too heh

[dense merlin]

Yeye

[crimson loom]

but im trying to save as much as possible tho

[dense merlin]

Fair

[crimson loom]

so im going for a small 128 gig ssd

you got any suggestions?

[dense merlin]

I sent you here bc I had none lol

[sour wadi]

go straight for a 500gb, 128gb drives are like 10$ less than 500gb

[crimson loom]

mm i see

okay

if anyone has some suggestions dm or ping me here thanks

[crimson loom]

i see lol

[sour wadi]

check the pins, theres a buying guide

[crimson loom]

ah thank you

[dense merlin]

Currently having someone tell me ssds are a waste, have a shorter life span than hdds, has working hdds from 20 years ago (multiple), and only uses hdds with his 6800xt

[sour wadi]

lmao

what

[dense merlin]

Yep

[torpid adder]

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/caveira-skeleton-ive-been-waiting-gif-13523984

Gotta have long lasting hard drives so you can wait until the heat death of the universe for your games to load

[minor sun]

@dense merlin some people have bad experiences with things 10 years ago and never forgive them :p

[crimson loom]

to “save money”

[sour wadi]

not like you can get a 50$ 500gb nice nvme drive

[crimson loom]

They gonna just pretend to not see that

and just telling us to be patient

[scarlet pine]

is this a nice ssd for price and nice peformance?
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07YFFX5MD?tag=pcp0f-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[torpid adder]

why is it so expensive

should be like 80 or so bucks idk

[minor sun]

canada

[torpid adder]

canada

that expains

[scarlet pine]

yeps canada

80 usd is 100 cad

and 20 bucks

idk where those came from

[night geyser]

Got 2 USB sticks with 2 tb on each got Them from Wish for like 5 bucks just Google vendorco productcode

[dense merlin]

Yeah thats a scam lmao

[blazing musk]

Try to put more than like 8gb of data on there and it'll just magically start to disappear because it's a hacked firmware module. Very common scam with SD cards too.

[dense merlin]

I'm unsure if this person got scammed or is tryna get people scammed

[blazing musk]

Me too, either way good to point out the "how" part of the scam

[dense merlin]

Yeah fair

[night geyser]

no i have like 1.5 tb of data on it

[dense merlin]

Do you mean an external hdd?

[night geyser]

no

a stick

[dense merlin]

Yeah those don't exist

Send a picture

[night geyser]

sending now

wont let me send

[buoyant frigate]

Found an interesting scam

1tb for 30$? :0

Nah, its in the wrong capacity options

Very misleading

[crimson loom]

thats a scam

lmao

it prob has a true capacity of like 16 gigs and after that point will just overwrite existing data

[crimson loom]

The only ones that do exist are expensive as hell and big

[small steppe]

DeathTried#9214 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

DeathTried#9214 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[spice hedge]

Bye bot

[olive wadi]

fake

anyone who thinks hdds are more reliable than ssds in 2021 is dumb

[buoyant frigate]

Gross

[olive wadi]

there are very few ssds from 20 years because SSD reliability has only drastically improved in the last 10 years

even more in the last 5-7 years

HDD's are much more prone to random failure than SSD's, while SSD's wear consistently and somewhat predictably with P/E cycles, and will generally outside of niche use cases (lol funny chia plotting moment) well outlast their use to the end user

[olive wadi]

idk you must have been not ssd shopping for like 10 years because $100 will get you 1tb

[real lava]

^

[olive wadi]