#storage-devices

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minor sun
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According to the wegg B560m steel legend page:

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2 different M.2 key M slots avaliable

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for some reason PCPP thinks there's none

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OH WAIt

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

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I LEFT IN HELIX L

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brb

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I can upgrade the gpu to a 3060ti then

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might as well add a better psu too then

nimble robin
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I believe you left the Helix L in earlier as well

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that mighta been vintage

minor sun
rancid pike
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b560? 👀

minor sun
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I was looking at prices for the m.2 drives, accidentally added both at the start

nimble robin
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heh

minor sun
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I was wondering why only a 3060 fit in the budget

nimble robin
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3060Ti fits in a $1000 budget no problem

minor sun
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yea

nimble robin
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@ msrp of course

wintry fractal
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I have to leave to get the car out of the shop...Thank you for taking some time for me. You've given me something to think about. Is there a way to connect with you folks again later after I close this out? You are really great!! I'd like to pursue this further.

dusk turtle
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Just come back in here

nimble robin
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mhmm

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its mostly me, Mr1111, and Vintage

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some others are here sometimes but its mostly us

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we will remember you

wintry fractal
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Ok

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Thank you

brittle anchor
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@minor sun do you have a recommendation for a mini 3080 pc build

past peak
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hehe

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mini 3080 you say

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as in, a sff build?

minor sun
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@brittle anchor well, can you give me which specific 3080 model to work with? Different itx cases can fit different sizes of cards and such, I could also find both myself if you'd like. Also, can you give me a budget and what it'll be used for?

red jay
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If length isn't a problem but thickness is most gigapoop stuff is automatically out

olive wadi
minor sun
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@olive wadi you're ssd guy not list making guy :P

olive wadi
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made a list of ssds

plush crag
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@zenith verge needs a 1TB ssd @olive wadi

zenith verge
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I have a 512GB 660p now, just looking to add more storage in my second m.2. wegg has the 1TB for $99.99

nimble robin
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TFW new laptop keeps getting unexpected store exceptions

zenith verge
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Ask it to not

olive wadi
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get the mp33 its 95 rn

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™️

zenith verge
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Thanks, yo

blazing musk
nimble robin
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reinstall cringe

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dism if it happens again

blazing musk
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I wipe out a factory installation right out of the box anyway, once I pull the drivers I need. Too much bloatware on a laptop.

indigo pike
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so i have a sata ssd as my current boot drive with windows and everything and i just got a m.2 ssd as a gift as i was wondering how would i switch my boot drive to make it the m.2 drive

blazing musk
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You'll do that in BIOS, usually under the boot menu in the "device priority" section. Move the new drive to the top priority.

dusk turtle
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After you reinstall windows or clone it. 😉

jaunty elm
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@nimble robin i have about a tb of data i want to backup whats the cheapest option for me

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mediafire?

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IDrive is crazy cheap

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$52 annual for 5tb

blazing musk
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Backblaze personally if you want cloud storage. I'd just get a 2TB external backup drive for like $40 though.

willow wing
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i have 2 old hard drives from laptops and i was wondering if i could install them in my pc without formatting them

torpid adder
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You can

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But you should backup the important data on them and format them to remove the old OS stuff and programs n such

willow wing
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how?

torpid adder
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The drive can plug in and be usable as is, so you search online about any programs you use and check where the user data is stored, migrate that to a backup drive, and any other files you have on there you don't want to be erased, then once you're sure it's only got programs and operating system on it, you format it

willow wing
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ah ok

heavy dagger
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Hey what do y'all think the cheapest way to mount 3.5" drives in 5.25" bays? Ran out of room in my cage and need to put drives in somewhere

ancient widget
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Hello! I am thinking of buying an external HP EH958B LTO-5 tape drive. Can anyone recommend a SAS controller card that would be compatible with this?

dusk turtle
ancient widget
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Thank you so much @dusk turtle

indigo pike
willow wing
past peak
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yee

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there's adapters to turn the odd bay into a 3.5 in bay

sour wadi
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Hey, is it worth my time updating my ssd's firmware, didn't know it was a thing until now, it says there is speed improvements

pallid orchid
sour wadi
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Okay thanks

obtuse latch
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what is the fastest m.2 for around 40-50$? looking for 256gb
like around that

olive wadi
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lol

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why do you care about the fastest

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especially in that capacity

obtuse latch
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for a boot drive @olive wadi

olive wadi
obtuse latch
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o

zealous oracle
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Hi. I have some drive bay and drive compatibility questions.

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Is anyone here up for that?

past peak
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sure, what question do you have?

zealous oracle
blazing musk
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One

past peak
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it looks like it'll just take up one

zealous oracle
blazing musk
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Seems excessively expensive though, no need to spend $50 on a drive tray

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It looks more meant for server hot swap bays

past peak
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yee

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are you sure your case doesn't have 2.5 in bays for ssd's?

blazing musk
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$16

zealous oracle
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Hmm.. Guess I need help figuring this out then. I used the NewEgg search bar to find the drive. The case has several 5.25" bays and two 3.5" bays. No 2.5" bays in the case though.

past peak
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what case do you have?

zealous oracle
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Oh, I want to hotswap externally.

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Rosewill Challenger.

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I wanted to get that one that had the hotswap bay on the top, but it's sold out for forever.

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the 690 ii

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I think it was a Cooler Master or Corsair.

past peak
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ahh so you want to hotswap

zealous oracle
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Yes

blazing musk
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Well if you want to hotswap without opening the case you can use a 5.25 bay converter

zealous oracle
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Ok

past peak
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yee

zealous oracle
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I'm searching NewEgg for that now.

blazing musk
zealous oracle
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Ok. Looks like that will support two 2.5" drives and one 3.5" drive?

past peak
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yeah

zealous oracle
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Wow!

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Thanks!

past peak
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you're welcome, any other questions you might have?

zealous oracle
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Well, now for the drive I found.

blazing musk
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The 2.5 will be hot swappable and the 3.5 is permanent

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The drives look good to me

zealous oracle
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That's fine for me too!

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Will that work with hotswapping?

past peak
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any 2.5 in drive would work

zealous oracle
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Oh!

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Cool!

blazing musk
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Yes, just make sure you set the BIOS option and write caching policy in Windows to allow it to be removed

zealous oracle
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I will 🙂

past peak
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other alternatives for ssd's are the western digital blue and the mx500, which should be similar in price

zealous oracle
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Yeah, I saw that in PC Part Picker too.

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I've had great experiences with SanDisk in the past (the little cards), and also have heard great things about the Samsung EVO

past peak
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yeah samsung ssd's (the good ones that are worth buying) tend to be more on the expensive side, but when they lower in price, they're a great buy

blazing musk
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Samsung is good but overpriced

zealous oracle
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Agree

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I'll look for sales. I want a good warrantee though, so NewEgg is where I'm likely to buy most of my stuff for this build.

past peak
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understandable

zealous oracle
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I also think the customers are more honest with their reviews on the NewEgg site. They don't hold back, but know when to be fair too.

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I'm pretty glad I found this site.

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Anyway, thank you for answering my questions and helping me find the right converter/hotswap bay!

blazing musk
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Happy to help!

zealous oracle
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Thanks, Fal'Cie. Hi to you too, btw 🙂

olive wadi
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oof

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owned

olive wadi
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costs less

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and is better

pastel canyon
past peak
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no i don't think so

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there are other drives at the same price point such as the the barracuda 510, rocket q, rocket, pilot-e and mp34, but it's only like a $5 difference in between the cheapest of those and the sn750

pastel canyon
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what would be a better drive than this one in the $100-150 range?

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would a better drive make a big difference ?

past peak
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i wouldn't pay 100-150 for a 500gb drive

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especially since the pilot-e is only $110 for 1tb

grim glade
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$100-150 are 1tb m.2 nvmes already

past peak
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yee

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or gen 4 500gb drives

pastel canyon
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just trying to find a fast / good drive in the 500gig range

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I only play 1 game so don't need a lot of storage

past peak
grim glade
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sn750 is fast

past peak
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why is it prices like that

past peak
pastel canyon
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I linked to the canadian site so prices will be higher

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I guess both

past peak
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ohhhhh

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bruh smh

grim glade
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the differences between the great gen3 nvme drives rn is just very minimal

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not noticeable

pastel canyon
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ok thx

past peak
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the 970 evo seems to be cheaper than the sn750 in canada

pastel canyon
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yea i was looking that also

past peak
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yee so for your case the 970 evo, pilot-e, or sn750, whichever one's cheaper at the time of buying

pastel canyon
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awesome thanks

past peak
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you're welcome

olive wadi
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literally $20 more and you can get a 1tb mushkin pilot-E

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oh its .ca lmao

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ssd guide still applies

past peak
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ssd guide ftw

pastel canyon
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ok thank you...i'll have a look

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I dont mind paying more for the drive...just want a decent one

olive wadi
pastel canyon
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Thats a great list. A lot of info...thank you

olive wadi
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np

floral verge
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h

fathom pier
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Yo, so I found some older hdds and I chose one to use as extra storage. These things r REALLY slow, like in a windows xp system. Anyway, I'm not sure if they have malware on them, and I'm not sure if it's safe to put them in my system. I doubt any malware for windows xp still works on win10 but you can never be too careful. So what do I do?

blazing musk
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Format the drive, and if you're paranoid about viruses you can do it from a Linux live USB

fathom pier
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Would booting win10 into safemode also help? Just taking some precautions

blazing musk
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What antivirus do you have? A lot have a "paranoid" or "hardened" mode for when you're working with potentially risky stuff to lock down critical stuff

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Safe mode often stops antivirus from working

fathom pier
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I see. I don't download shady stuff, so windows defender has always been fine for me

blazing musk
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Should be fine, yeah.
Any ancient viruses that might be on there will be detected the instant they try to load anything, which I seriously doubt they even could from a spare drive Windows isn't even actively accessing. You could use an external dock or turn on hot swapping in BIOS and plug the drive in after Windows boots, then immediately delete all the partitions.

fathom pier
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I see, man I hadn't even thought of that. Thanks for the advice, I'll try it out.

blazing musk
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If you do the hot swap, plug it into power before you turn it on, then you can plug in SATA after boot.

fathom pier
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Okay, and should I delete the partitions through the disk management tool?

blazing musk
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Yes that works

fathom pier
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Ight. I think on my mobo it's called "hot plug", but yeah I'll see if this works

river root
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any one know what the lowest cost sas controller pci for a Seagate 6TB Enterprise Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM SAS 12Gb/s 128MB 3.5" ST6000NM0034
would be ?

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thank you

fathom pier
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It did work, no viruses, formatting rn. It's write speed when formatting is 140MB/s, is this good for a hdd?

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Its*

blazing musk
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Not too bad, definitely in the usable range for storage

fathom pier
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Good, definitely good since my C drive ssd is only 120gb...that got used fast. Also, oddly enough, the hdd is labeled as 160gb, but it's apparently 232, so I guess I got some luck rn

blazing musk
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At that price range there's only PCIe 2.0 cards, the 3.0 are much more expensive

nimble robin
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at what point would a 1tb SX 8100 start to slow down?

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50 gigs left?

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20 gigs left?

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less?

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more?

pallid orchid
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I mean its an m.2 so it wouldnt really matter even if it slowed down tbh

nimble robin
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thats...

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not how that works?

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whats your reasoning behind that?

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@pallid orchid

pallid orchid
nimble robin
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december 4th, 2012

pallid orchid
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I mean tech has only improved since then so if it didnt make a difference with 8 year old tech its not gonna make a difference with newer stuff

nimble robin
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for the record

pallid orchid
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you can do things like trim the ssd as well in the windows defragment and optimise drives menu

dusk turtle
nimble robin
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kek

pallid orchid
dusk turtle
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TRIM doesn't affect how NVME slows down after 80% capacity is filled

pallid orchid
nimble robin
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at what point will I be seeing significant slowdowns?

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that is, emphasis on significant

dusk turtle
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I don't know, that's a question for windshields or google

nimble robin
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windshields lmao

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alright ill ask him

olive wadi
olive wadi
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it really depends a lot on the specific drive and how it handles OP and its PSLC cache and how good/bad writing direct to nand performance is

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in a consoomer use environment doesnt really matter

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you can google it im busy atm 😎

onyx anvil
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Wondering if someone can help me, and I don’t know if this is the right place but here goes. I just finished my first build with my primary OS hard drive being an nvme drive. I got a second 4tb HDD but didn’t have a SATA cable so I didn’t connect it right away. Anyway, now whenever I connect that drive, I can’t boot. According to my motherboard LEDs it has a boot and VGA error. When I unplug the SATA power it goes back to being just fine. I made sure it only boots the ssd with the operating system jn bios. So I’m not sure what I’m missing. Has anyone ever heard of this problem?

pallid orchid
pallid orchid
tall ore
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I think EVERY board has SATA Hotplug nowadays.

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So, I'm gonna ask a dumb question.

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What size is the screw for an M.2 drive?

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And, does anything else in a PC use that screw type/size?

pallid orchid
tall ore
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I think like, 90% of systems made after 2010 have SATA Hotplug.

pallid orchid
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Eh still worth an ask

pallid orchid
tall ore
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I already have that (apparently)

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I didn't check my board, so I just bought a 4 pack of Standoffs and Screws off Amazon for 5 bucks

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Before actually checking to see if it HAD the Standoff and Screw on the board.

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Standoff? Yes. Screw? No.

pallid orchid
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Always works with screws

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100% guaranteed

tall ore
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Yes, but it has to be a specific screw ya dingus.

pallid orchid
tall ore
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Looks like from my preliminary searching, the screw is an M2.0 * 2.5mm

pallid orchid
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Cant harm anything tbh

tall ore
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I don't HAVE those screws anymore.

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I've had the board in my PC for like, darn near 2 years now.

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I'm just now adding an M.2 SSD to my rig.

onyx anvil
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Yep it has a SATA hot plug. Should that be enabled?

tall ore
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Yeah.

pallid orchid
tall ore
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No it isn't.

pallid orchid
tall ore
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I have a bajillion screws that my dad has horded from prior PC builds.

onyx anvil
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Okay I’ll give that a shot

tall ore
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So, I COULD have a screw that fits.

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But I needed to know if anything else (Motherboard screw, etc) may have used the same screw size.

pallid orchid
pallid orchid
pallid orchid
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Then disconnect the hard drive and boot ur pc

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Then when its on connect the sata cable to it and format the entire hard disc

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Dont unplug the power cable from the psu to the hard disc tho

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That shud stay on

pallid orchid
onyx anvil
pallid orchid
onyx anvil
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It grinds and shows up in BIOS so it’s being read and powered somewhere. Just zero acknowledgment anywhere else.

pallid orchid
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Try opening the windows disk management program

onyx anvil
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I’m there now

pallid orchid
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Does that read the drive?

pallid orchid
onyx anvil
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It shows up not initialized. But the option to initialize is grayed out.

pallid orchid
onyx anvil
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🤞

pallid orchid
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try unplugging it and replugging

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and try another sata port on the motherboard this time

onyx anvil
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Rescanning now

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...Jesus this is taking a while. Could be good could be bad.

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Okay! Gives me the option to initialize now.

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Tried a GPT and got an error that says “the request could not be performed because of an I/O device error.”

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@pallid orchid would MBR make any difference?

upper quiver
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if GPT didnt work, then MBR shouldnt work either

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the issue lies elsewhere

onyx anvil
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Confirmed.

upper quiver
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is this in windows disk management?

pallid orchid
onyx anvil
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Yep

upper quiver
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sounds like a doa drive to me bro

pallid orchid
upper quiver
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yeah p much

pallid orchid
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btw is ur drive a barracuda drive?

upper quiver
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GPT is recommended tho

onyx anvil
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Got it. No it’s a western digital blue.

upper quiver
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dont even need to do any other troubleshooting

onyx anvil
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Haha nice. All right well thanks for your help guys. I’ll see if I can get a replacement sent and have better luck 🤞

upper quiver
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if the bios struggles to recognize a drive, thats the first and last nail in the coffin for that drive lol

onyx anvil
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Haha damn

pallid orchid
minor sun
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Unless sata port is sharing bandwidth

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Or dead

pallid orchid
upper quiver
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i mean, the way the system literally fails to boot on account of the drive

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unless his claim from his initial post was incorrect

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regardless

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new drives dont act like this

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RMA

onyx anvil
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Yeah if it’s plugged in, even though I have the SSD set as primary, the only way I can get to the OS is selecting SSD in the boot menu. Then once I’m in, I can’t scan for it in disk management until it does basically 3 shakes and a beep several times like a car that one quite turn over. THEN I can scan it and not be able to initialize it.

pallid orchid
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Try getting a replcement tbh

onyx anvil
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And that sound is what it makes all the way through boot up as well

pallid orchid
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Oh no its VER VERY broken

onyx anvil
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Well I know it’s the cheapest 4tb I could get at Best Buy so there’s 2 strikes.

pallid orchid
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Like thrown from a delivery truck like a newspaper broken

onyx anvil
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Haha that’s what I’m afraid of.

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It’s not clicking like I’m used to hearing from dead or dying drives, so hard spins is the best I can describe it. I’ll take it over and have them hook it up just to make it easier to get a new one then

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Thanks guys!

olive wadi
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It sounds like you're getting M2 and NVME mixed up, the two are not mutually exclusive

pallid orchid
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lol

olive wadi
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pee pee poo po

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which drive?

pallid orchid
olive wadi
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its not that fast but i sleep

pallid orchid
olive wadi
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Depends, if the Realtek RTS5762 is anything like the Realtek RTS5763DL on the adata swordfish than the drive will have worse read latency than a sata drive

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Realtek based drives are funny lol

pallid orchid
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3500/3000MB/s read and write is what its rated at

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which is very fast

minor sun
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@pallid orchid there's a lot more to performance than just rated seq r/w

pallid orchid
minor sun
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And there's no good reviews on sx 8100 yet

pallid orchid
minor sun
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Do keep in mind there's multiple charts you can scroll through on every test

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SSDs are annoyingly complicated

pallid orchid
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Yeah I went through it and its a pain yeah

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way too much variation between tasks

olive wadi
pallid orchid
minor sun
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There's actually latency testing on the Pilot E review

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Read latency

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olive wadi
minor sun
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write latency

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olive wadi
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lower better lmao

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lol 3dxpoint moment

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pallid orchid
minor sun
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lol Micron dropping out of 3dxpoint moment

olive wadi
pallid orchid
olive wadi
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ok lol

minor sun
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btw @olive wadi does Intel have any fabs that can make 3dxpoint? Or are they semi-screwed if Micron sells the fab off to someone else

olive wadi
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latency in nanoseconds is the amount of time it's taking for the addressed data to actually be delivered to the processor

pallid orchid
tall ore
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I just got a Pilot-E myself. Tommorow I'll be installing it in my rig

minor sun
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nice

tall ore
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It's replacing a 860 Evo SATA SSD

tall ore
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Honestly, I'm quite annoyed that the Screws come with the Motherboard and not the drive itself.

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Cause I never thought I'd install an M.2 in this board, so I didn't keep the screws anywhere easily rememberable.

blazing musk
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I always save my spare parts in the box for the motherboard. It's currently sitting next to me.

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I have several motherboard boxes with various spare parts for different builds that I've done, dating back to DDR2 days. If I'm looking for a stick of DDR3 memory, I know it'll be in my AM3+ 970 board box.

torpid adder
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I have a couple ram packs with ram from my brother's AM3 computer, and some parts computers

blazing musk
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My wife thought I was crazy for keeping all my old parts. She doesn't any more after I built her a computer out of those parts and a trash rescue HP that was in surpisingly good shape besides the case. I spent $15 on a second stick of RAM and she got a "new" computer for playing retro games.

torpid adder
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Nice

tall ore
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I just wish M.2 didn't use such a unique screw. When the M.2 connector was made, they should have made it using the same Standoff and Screw that Motherboards use.

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That way a new Standoff and Screw wasn't needed.

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But no, it NEEDED an M2x2.5mm

olive wadi
tall ore
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Uhhh...

olive wadi
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different cases have different standoff heights

tall ore
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Yes there is.

olive wadi
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for the screw itself sure, but different cases have varying standoff heights

tall ore
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I have NEVER had a motherboard tray where I couldn't use the standoffs from another case in a pinch.

olive wadi
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i have a fair few cases that i've interchanged standoffs with and there is a height difference between them

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i can't install the IO shield on one of my systems because of it

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motherboard is up higher than it should be

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there is an atx spec but it just seems to define a minimum height

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which makes sense for clearance between the tray and any surface mount components

deep mantle
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Hi, I want an opinion from someone who knows storage
if mp33 and a ADATA 8100/S7 comes down to the same price, is S7 the better nvme? someone else was saying Realtek controller bad

dusk turtle
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MP33 all day

deep mantle
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is there any reason for that? when Adata s7 has dram and at the same price

dusk turtle
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DRAM isn't the end all be all. We talking 1 TB drives yeah?

deep mantle
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500gb. both are $53

vagrant fractal
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Hey Everyone,
my friends dad got a new laptop and needs the data of this harddrive. How can i access the 308,06gb OEM Partition?

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blissful night
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Assign a drive letter to it

vagrant fractal
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cant

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it wont let me

blissful night
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Then it most likely is a recovery partition or something

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Not sure why it would be so big

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but how is there data on it if you cant assign a drive letter to it

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it most likely was never used in the first place

vagrant fractal
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i checked one oem partition and it worked. It tells me that the large one is broken

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any recovery tools i should try?

tall ore
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Uhhh... I'd just take it to DriveSavers or something.

vagrant fractal
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I am from germany. we are 20 years behind...dont have drive savers here ÖD

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😄

olive wadi
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either aren't going to great

silver island
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anyone know a quality Molex to SATA that won't catch fire?

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(amazon preferred)

olive wadi
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molded ones are a no no

silver island
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@olive wadi thank you! ah, I See the wires going in properly here.

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(my tape didn't work on the 3rd pin >_< )

olive wadi
blissful sierra
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as they say

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Molex to Sata, Lose your Data

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but it should be fine, molex can do 5v and 12v rails
sata can do 5v and 12v rails

silver island
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yeah, hopefully these won't melt with the correct wiring ^

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shucks away

blissful sierra
#

should be good
the only time i wont trust molex adapters is when its molex to pcie 8 pin

#

thats just terrifying

tall ore
#

Welp, my screws are here, I just need to A. Verify they fit and B. wait until like, late at night to install the thing because I don't feel like telling my parents I spent ~100 bucks on an SSD.

blazing musk
#

Living dangerously I see. How long do you think you can hide that?

tall ore
#

Probably forever.

olive wadi
#

peoples sata adapters falling on fire has nothing to do with molex being bad

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they bought crappy adapters with molded sata ends

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dont think ive ever seen a catastrophic failure with crimped molex->sata adapters

plush crag
#

More of an issue for miners trying to power rx480's which try to draw 100w through the riser

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ime

blissful sierra
#

well i did mention it should be fine because both connectors work off of the same rail
i just think the saying sounds nice

olive wadi
olive wadi
#

and then he made a video like a week later

plush crag
#

I haven't

olive wadi
#

about how his own fell on fire and he should've followed his own advice

plush crag
#

I've seen the /r/gpumining bot that'll autoreply with a warning every time someone types sata and adapter in the same post

olive wadi
#

he made this shortly after

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2 months after lol

plush crag
#

That looks awful

olive wadi
#

i dont think he lost any drives

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luckily

plush crag
#

I think I have the same cheapo breakouts

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nvm those are sata

olive wadi
#

sata splitters are unsafe for the same reason

#

stick with da crimp

plush crag
#

Or use a backplane, lol

tall ore
#

Alright. Before I go being terminally stupid. I assume that you cannot hot-plug an NVMe M.2 SSD.

tall ore
sand onyx
#

I don't know super lot about storage but what I can say is if you want 10sec boot times go with an Nvme M.2 boot drive.

still wigeon
#

Is wd black 750 good?

dusk turtle
#

For an NVME drive?

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1 TB?

#

Go Mushkin Pilot E, same speeds but for $109

tall ore
#

^

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Mushkin Pilot-E is a great drive.

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I'll be using it as a boot drive soon-ish.

red jay
#

Never heard of Mushkin, is it in US only?

blazing musk
#

Newegg's brand, or it used to be. They've gotten better over the years

red jay
#

It’s expensive here in Canada sadly

#

Im thinking of getting SN550. Is that sufficient for gaming and some media?

grim glade
#

i think sn550 doesn't have dram

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prob cs3030 or a2000 500gb/1tb would be cheap

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ours rolled back to 60

grim glade
red jay
#

1tb

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Should i just opt for 500gb Sn750?

grim glade
#

good price imo

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i dunno if canada has omb permit thing for importing drives but if there is, then this is prob not bad of a deal

red jay
#

No it’s free shipping

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It’s not bad its about the same price as SN750 for $175 sale price atm

#

How does it compare to Sn750?

grim glade
#

idk, it's a windshields thing i'm too unknowledgable to understand

red jay
#

Yeahh same

grim glade
#

(based on the spreadsheet from pins) sn750 is rated as a prosumer nvme, uses wd propreitary controller while cs3030 is only a consumer nvme and uses phison e12 controller

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but yea idk what those means

#

if it won't cause major problems and is cheap, i'll take it

blazing musk
#

DRAM-less drives can still perform very well. The DRAM only helps with file writes.

#

Windshields' tier list

grim glade
#

ooooo

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kingston a2000 1tb should only play around $90-100 🙂

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it's 120 here coz of omb permit thing

red jay
#

Yeah I’m not ready for PCIE Gen 4. I don’t know if I’ll benefit much from it, since I’m a basic gamer/consumer

grim glade
#

nah it doesn't do so much if agains't the other good gen3 pcie drives

red jay
#

But if Sn750 is considered High End vs the PNY, for $15 more id go for SN750.

grim glade
#

pny cs3030 is at mid-tier 😳

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yea ig

blazing musk
#

Vast majority of people won't benefit from gen 4. Only pro media creators would notice enough to care. Most games (around 98%) won't even use more than a sata SSD amount of bandwidth.

minor sun
#

Pilot e time bois

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And well, just a fraction of the pro media creators alongside some others might actually see improvements through the higher seq perf

red jay
#

Still can’t decide whether i should get sn550 or sn750

minor sun
#

What do you need it to do

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And how much is the price difference

red jay
#

Price difference rn is $40?

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And im just gaming/media/light music production

minor sun
#

1tb?

red jay
#

Yesz

minor sun
#

How heavy in terms of media production?

red jay
#

Light as a feather. More inclined to Music Production rather than media. Maybe some light video editing, nothing crazy

blazing musk
#

Pilot was more expensive in Canada

minor sun
#

Sn550 will do just fine

red jay
#

When should I consider getting Sn750? When I do more intense video editing?

minor sun
#

Meh, when it's cheaper

red jay
#

Makes sense

minor sun
#

The gain is small and not substantial

red jay
#

Gotcha

#

Any recommendations to Sn550 equivalent? Or should i just pick from the tier list?

minor sun
#

Basically any decent hmb drive

grim glade
#

cs3030 1tb for $135?

minor sun
#

Helix L, MP33, that kinda thing

grim glade
#

it's relatively high coz of omb permit thing smh

minor sun
#

Sn550 is surprisingly well performing tho, keep that in mind

grim glade
#

main drive

minor sun
#

Since it shares metadata between hmb and slc cache iirc

red jay
minor sun
#

(sn550 slightly over other hmb drives)

red jay
#

Hmm yeah

grim glade
red jay
#

Ill look out for sales

grim glade
#

imma put it on "Plan A" canvas

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idk but shopee is mostly efficient on SEA idk bout canada

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but the deals on amazon canada is kinda lower than here (omb permit makes it higher so yea)

red jay
#

Rn the difference between sn750 and sn550 in canada is $30 for 1tb in Newegg

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🤔

#

That’s $30 that can go towards a second drive 🥸

grim glade
#

yea that's a great idea

teal spade
#

Can someone recommend me a cheap good ssd that has 500gb-1tb for ASUS X556 Series (laptop

nimble robin
#

does it have an M.2 port

teal spade
#

Ik sad af

nimble robin
#

so 2.5"

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?

teal spade
#

I guess

nimble robin
#

870 EVO pretty good I suppose

#

I mostly know M.2 SSDs

teal spade
#

@nimble robin Cheaper please

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Its like 150 dollars ))

nimble robin
teal spade
#

could you go around 50-80 dollars

nimble robin
#

kinda cringe

#

also this

teal spade
#

?

#

Over my budget lol

nimble robin
#

500gb 870 EVO is $70

#

you said 50-80

teal spade
#

isnt that 1tb?

nimble robin
#

click the 500gb option

teal spade
#

Costs much more in my country

#

could you please find another one xD

nimble robin
#

monopoly money

teal spade
#

what about this

nimble robin
#

better

teal spade
#

Not even buying for me xD

#

@nimble robin

#

This

#

should I buy this

nimble robin
#

gross

teal spade
#

@nimble robin Ill just buy that

teal spade
nimble robin
teal spade
#

could I get thsi

#

@nimble robin

#

almost same thing

nimble robin
#

no

#

not at all

teal spade
#

@nimble robin So should I get this

#

or nah

nimble robin
#

get what exactly

#

weve exchanged 5 different links

teal spade
nimble robin
#

no

teal spade
#

y

#

my budget limited af

nimble robin
teal spade
#

:'

nimble robin
#

hard to explain to someone who doesnt really understand computers too much

teal spade
#

I just usually buy NVME

small steppeBOT
#
Detective Alpha#4012 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

teal spade
#

I am a little bit mentally challanged

#

if you get me

nimble robin
#

what, english not your first language?

#

this one on sale anyways

unknown.png
teal spade
#

@nimble robin Quick question

nimble robin
#

ask

teal spade
#

Do you know any good ram sticks

nimble robin
#

no

teal spade
#

with 1.35 v

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ok

nimble robin
#

not for DDR3 or laptop

#

SODIMM

#

weird form factor

small steppeBOT
#
Detective Alpha#4012 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

teal spade
#

laptops are weird

#

af

nimble robin
#

you swear again you banneed lmao

#

mee6

#

kekw

teal spade
#

lol

#

mee6'

olive wadi
#

crucial bx500 is better than the kingston a400 lmao

#

arguably significantly

nimble robin
#

I think I confused the links

olive wadi
#

i think so

nimble robin
#

I said that the first crucial SSD he linked was better than the second crucial SSD

#

At least I think I did

#

Idk I was 48 hours sleep deprived

olive wadi
#

you linked a400

olive wadi
red jay
#

Hey I need help understanding Dram-less SSD’s. Comparing SN550 to SN750. Is it bad to have SN550 as boot drive and game/media drive?

upper quiver
#

its not bad

#

dram has a few minor advantages, but its not a huge deal

dusk turtle
upper quiver
#

i would pay 5 dollars more for an ssd for dram

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and thats about it

dusk turtle
#

And as fast as the SN750

upper quiver
#

i just

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dont get it

dusk turtle
#

Because that's the most asked for size

upper quiver
#

512 is all anyone really needs, HDDs are still relevant

#

yes

#

then you follow up with "yeah, but HDDs are significantly more cost effective"

#

and point them in the right direction

dusk turtle
#

512 GB gets burned up quick

upper quiver
#

hardly...

unknown.png
#

literally, dont know what to do with all this SSD

dusk turtle
#

I'm not going to screen all my drives lol but I have 3.5Tb of NVME and SSD

upper quiver
#

thats with quite a few large programs installed

dusk turtle
#

And a little over half that space is used

upper quiver
#

and most of it would probably be just fine sitting on an HDD

#

whats your point

dusk turtle
#

Lol, I have 14 TB of platter

#

what's your point

upper quiver
#

that no consumer needs more than 512gb of ssd

dusk turtle
#

Most are happy to have 1 TB or more to save 20-30 seconds load times for their games

minor sun
#

@upper quiver I'm a consumer and I stuff games on my ssd :p

upper quiver
#

ya but that doesnt mean you need to

#

thats my point

#

yeah, you can

#

not really necessary tho

#

also if someone is irked by 30 additional seconds of loading, they can learn some patience too

#

win-win

minor sun
red jay
upper quiver
#

i guess if you switch games every 20 minutes

#

but like

#

who does that

#

yeah i wait 2 minutes before i can queue up for a seg game

#

but then i play without issues for 4 hrs

#

if only there was a way to speed up the time it takes to get my friends in my game...

red jay
#

Yeah Mushkin is kinda expensive in Canada to ship.

#

Almost the same as buying SN750

red jay
dusk turtle
#

What about Team?

#

Like an MP34 or MP33?

#

Those reasonable?

blissful sierra
#

As they say once you start using an ssd you cant go back
im guessing its the same for storing games on it
heck siege literally has an in-community joke of if someones taking too long to load, you're required to type amazon.com/ssd in the chat

minor sun
#

No

#

You're required to type ssd

blissful sierra
blazing musk
#

It's always fun seeing yourself load the fastest in LoL

blissful sierra
#

Then you gotta wait for the slow pokes with hdds
atleast you can feel superior with the ssd

minor sun
#

Generally just being spamming ssd

blissful sierra
#

well the jokes the same
but sometimes i can load faster than ssd people while playing from an external 5400 rpm drive

rancid pike
nimble robin
#

You’ve never played Rainbow 6

upper quiver
#

but its been a long time

#

idk if seg just optimized loading between rounds or what

tall ore
tall ore
nimble robin
#

Lmao

#

I have a feeling most people have it loaded on HDDs anyways

#

You have no idea if someone has it on a SSD or HDD

tall ore
#

Even though the meme is "Put siege on your SSD so your load times in the Pick menu will be faster"

#

When in reality, its actually related to your Internet Speed.

minor sun
#

Hmb is nice

minor sun
dusk turtle
#

You have a lot to learn

tall ore
#

Not r5

#

*really

#

MP34 has a better controller and DRAM.

dusk turtle
#

DRAM doesn't mean much

#

Tell me what DRAM does in an NVME

tall ore
#

It means you'll never have to hit RAM for caching. DRAMless QLC drives under 4TB kinda suck.

#

Because the SLC cache in a 1TB DRAMless QLC drive is absolutely tiny.

#

If you want a good DRAMless QLC drive. You gotta get that 8TB Rocket drive that uses 1TB of SLC cache.

dusk turtle
#

So, why do you need DRAM?

#

What do people primarily get an NVME SSD for?

tall ore
#

Speed

#

The DRAM is a buffer that can be faster than the drive.

#

Typically data that is often needed gets put in that DRAM for even faster access.

minor sun
#

For example, sn550 has a really nice slc cache

tall ore
#

Most of them are like, at most 250gb of SLC Cache if it's a 1TB drive.

minor sun
#

And not really, dram is not the buffer, the SLC cache is the buffer

#

Dram is usually only used for metadata

tall ore
#

So either someone's been lying to me, or you are lying to me. I've always known DRAM to be a buffer for SSDs.

minor sun
#

Back to the sn550 bit, I guess I misremembered, the slc cache isn't big, but it shares metadata so it performs better than some other hmb drives

#

"The WD Blue SN550’s write performance is extremely consistent compared to many SSDs, thanks to its static SLC cache, rather than the dynamic cache of most higher-priced drives these days. Even when the write cache is exhausted and without DRAM to aid FTL management, the WD manages to deliver faster performance than even higher-end SSDs. It wrote 12GB of data at a rate of 2 GBps and then degraded to an average write speed of 880 MBps for the remainder of the test. Its write cache recovers quickly too. Within 30 seconds of idle time, it is ready for more writes"

tall ore
#

Fair enough

olive wadi
#

it's used for metadata, prefetch data, and some small IO

#

so it can be used as a read buffer for very small IO

olive wadi
#

extremely small IO Background tasks it may be used for

#

its main function is to act as a read cache for prefetch data and to store metadata

#

dram caches are small, so the only IO operations they handle are small

minor sun
olive wadi
#

but you may have already known that

#

QLC SSDs suffer the most with increase in size because they generally use dynamic PSLC caches

#

which most modern drives use

minor sun
#

Prefetch, metadata

#

:P

olive wadi
#

So that PSLC cache shrinks

olive wadi
#

prefetch is just data that needs to be addressed by the system frequently

#

some IO related to OS for example

minor sun
#

I thought prefetch was literally relating to pre-fetching things like location of data (metadata things)

olive wadi
#

prefetch would just be using the dram cache as a read cache for data that needs to be read more frequently

#

and it'll always be small datasets because dram caches are small

minor sun
#

ah

river goblet
#

When I purchase a hard drive from newegg specifically the seagate 1TB will it come with a cord

dusk turtle
#

No

#

Drives don't come with SATA cables

#

Doesn't matter where you buy them either

river goblet
#

alr

dusk turtle
#

Your motherboard should have come with a couple tho

river goblet
#

alr

dusk turtle
#

@short lodge read up above here

nimble robin
#

Pretty sure PSU is the thing that comes with SATA cables?

#

SATA power at least

#

Idk, am dumb

short lodge
#

SATA power not data

#

Cause yknow, ssds need two cables

#

One to connect to mobo for data and one to connect to PSU for power

nimble robin
#

Mhmm

#

Got it

short lodge
olive wadi
#

lower access times

short lodge
dusk turtle
# olive wadi yep

Just so you know, the base question was no DRAM makes the drive slow down when capacity gets filled. That's all controller and NAND type, ya?

olive wadi
short lodge
#

I’ve never understood controllers and nand types, I’ll figure that out once I’m done with PSUs

dusk turtle
#

Well snap, you can teach an old dog new tricks XD

olive wadi
#

You slow down because your PSLC cache shrinks, static wear levelling needs to kick in more often (Controllers doing more work), and when writing data the controller has to do more work juggling around erasing blocks and reprograming them

dusk turtle
#

Right, less extra room to move stuff to and from means longer wait times

nimble robin
olive wadi
nimble robin
#

...

#

Explain that acronym, if you please?

olive wadi
nimble robin
#

Ok

#

I kinda understand that

olive wadi
#

awesome

viscid hollow
#

hi guys

#

has anyone used the wd blue ssd? how is it compare to the samsung evo 860 series

#

of course, im using sata 2.5inch drive only

#

are wd drives as stable and fast as samsung

past peak
#

they're both nice and durable

#

what specific things were you looking to compare?

viscid hollow
#

because i see wd blue are on discount so im consider buying that one over samsung

past peak
#

i see

viscid hollow
#

so i owned a samsung evo and used for around 3-4 years now

past peak
#

i mean if it's just for general use then get whichever one's cheaper at the time of purchase

#

another one to look out for might be the mx500, should be at around the same price range

viscid hollow
#

i think im going to stick it to my ps4

#

its little bit higher in my local store so i think i will buy the wd blue

#

but i have heard that mx500 is good right

past peak
#

yee

viscid hollow
#

cant wait until a few years when ssd cheaper than a mechanical harddrive

#

i mean at around 1 tb and less

#

or maybe <4tb

modest bolt
#

yeah imagine

orchid rock
#

2 questions. SLC vs MLC? I want to go SLC. Second question, I can only find two brands of SLC on stock, silicon power and silicon, are they good?

#

Also, SLC seems to be slower than MLC, am I right?

#

Nope, MLC it is. Nevermind the question.

torpid adder
#

Drives that are actually SLC are still pretty expensive

#

TLC drives are decent

#

And QLC can be okay

orchid rock
olive wadi
olive wadi
#

And MLC nand flash is leaving the consumer space aswell (All products discontinued, their might be some left in stock)

#

Consumer SSDs are either TLC or QLC now

orchid rock
#

I haven't checked the others.

olive wadi
orchid rock
#

Plenty, like for Samsung only there are 28 models.

olive wadi
#

Their drives are not 2 bit MLC which is what MLC generally refers to

#

They refer to their TLC drives as 3 bit MLC

#

which is technically correct.

orchid rock
#

I am probably confused by the shop filter, cause I filtered for MLC 😄

olive wadi
#

MLC=multi-level-cell

#

TLC=triple level cell

#

TLC is by definition 3 bit MLC and samsung takes advantage of this to call their TLC drives MLC

orchid rock
olive wadi
#

MLC generally refers to 2-bit MLC

#

When you think of it as a consumer

orchid rock
#

So if there is any confusion, I am confused by the shop :))

olive wadi
#

There are no 2-bit MLC consumer drives that haven't been discontinued

#

actually their might be a samsung 870 pro

#

970 pro has been discontinued

#

Either way you really shouldn't be looking at 2-bit MLC drives for any kind of normal consumer use

#

You're paying a premium for something that will never matter to you unless you're using it as a buffer for your multi-petabyte media server

olive wadi
orchid rock
#

This is listed as MLC Solid State Drive (SSD) Samsung 970 EVO Plus, 500GB, NVMe, MZ-V7S500BW

olive wadi
#

Yep that's TLC

#

It's 3-bit MLC (3 bits per cell) which is TLC

orchid rock
#

Good, so problem solved :))

#

It means the shop has its filters wrong.

olive wadi
#

basically

#

but they can cite that samsung calls it MLC

#

the SLC/MLC/TLC/QLC naming scheme is garbage anyways

#

they should just call it 1LC, 2LC, 3LC, 4LC

#

But actual 2-bit MLC/2LC drives are pretty much all discontinued

#

in the consumer space at least

orchid rock
#

Do nVME need a new motherboard? I am building a new PC, but i am not done yet, so I was wondering if I could get one and use it on my actual PC until then

olive wadi
#

Do you have a motherboard that supports M.2 NVME?

orchid rock
#

I have an old AS rock h7 whatever

#

So they can't run in some kind of legacy mode 😄

#

H77 Pro4, going to check

olive wadi
#

legacy mode wouldn't make you forward compatible

#

no that's not going to work

orchid rock
#

It seems there is a modded BIOS that allows botting from NVME

olive wadi
#

A PCIE-->M.2 NVME card

orchid rock
#

I will get it anyway, I am buying the new PC in parts. I only got the case for now, a Be quiet 802

#

So today I will get the OS drive.

orchid rock
#

Any downside in using 3 NVME M2 each 250 for OS, work and gaming, and a 5tb old drive for storage?

#

In the old PC I have 3 SSDs + 1 old drive for storage, not sure how it works with NVMe

blazing musk
#

As long as you have enough M.2 slots it'll work the same. If not there's PCI-e adapters.

upper quiver
#

compared to 512gb and up

#

and theyre also totally not cost effective

#

2x256gb is much more expensive than 1x512gb

orchid rock
orchid rock
upper quiver
#

thats dumb

orchid rock
#

For more than 10 15 years

#

Thanks, you can be the judge for what's dumb 😄

#

Well, I have a locker full or broken drives.

#

They show it's not dumb.

#

I am not a casual PC user.

upper quiver
#

boot ssd should have OS and programs, then any secondary storage for games and files

#

and ofc files should be backed up properly

orchid rock
#

Of course, cause I'd rather have more hassle than separate stuff on multiple drives.

#

Thanks for the suggestions.

upper quiver
#

its actually less hassle

#

but ok

orchid rock
#

It's not. You buy them once, and that's it.

upper quiver
#

that doesnt show that the standard way of doing things is more hassle tho

#

splitting your data over multiple drives doesnt protect your data, it just means you lose less of it when a single drive fails

#

meaning, you are increasing the likelihood of losing data

#

by using more than one ssd

orchid rock
#

Let it go please. For once, they are not slower, get the same model from 250 to 2tb, and they will be the same. For twice, it's easier to have something plug and play once, than to have to deal with system ghost, password changes, software changes for backups, etc.

#

Thanks again nevertheless for the advice.

upper quiver
#

you arent making any sense

#

lol

#

also heres a good example of what i mean

#

it just has to do with the number of nand flash chips used

#

3x256 is more expensive, less efficient, more prone to failure, and uses more PCIe lanes than a single 1tb nvme drive

orchid rock
#

All models, same speed.

#

All variants I mean.

upper quiver
#

yeah, because thats not NVMe

#

duh

orchid rock
#

Oops, yes. You are right.

upper quiver
#

theyre limited by the SATA III interface

orchid rock
upper quiver
#

uhh

#

no?

#

also that doesnt include the 256gb capacity

orchid rock
#

Yes you are right.

#

It seems I have to go big.

upper quiver
#

which would have significantly lower write speeds if it existed

orchid rock
#

I had zero clues, thank you for clarifying that.

upper quiver
#

imo, get 2x512gb, use raid 1

orchid rock
#

I didn't even know it's a thing, now I have to check again everything :))

upper quiver
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that way, when a drive goes kaput, you can rebuild the array

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yeah, you said its been 10-15 years, tech changes fast :)

past peak
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hehe

orchid rock
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No, I am upgrading PCs each few years. I said that I have drives gathered for the last 10-15 years.

past peak
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cloud storage might also be a good friend for you if you don't want to loose data

orchid rock
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Not that I last updated a PC 10-15 years ago :))

upper quiver
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oh lmao i see

orchid rock
past peak
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fair

orchid rock
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I will definitely NOT* get 250 tho, cause I have limited slots :)) SO they will be at least 500 512

past peak
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yee 2 500gb shouldn't be bad in raid 1, as sassyfish said

orchid rock
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Thanks for enlightening me @upper quiver , I really had no idea that same model varies in speed depending on size.

upper quiver
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thats what im here to do

orchid rock
upper quiver
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hey i do it too sometimes :P

olive wadi
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That is how it works

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This is in part because the PSLC cache shrinks with smaller capacities

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oh you already learned that

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epic

orchid rock
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Thanks nevertheless, I really had no idea 😄

red jay
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So 1tb is better than 500gb drives?

blazing musk
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"Better" is objective in some cases but generally speaking yes

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Sometimes, depending on the NAND and controller used the 1TB model will be faster than the same drive 500GB model, usually because of increased DRAM cache

minor sun
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Most times

olive wadi
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more to do with PSLC cache

orchid rock
# red jay So 1tb is better than 500gb drives?

Best thing, pick a model, go to product website, and read the specifications. For what I want to get they are thoroughly explained. Luckily 1tb is similar to 2tb, cause 2tb nvme is a bit expensive for Samsung Pro 980

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What happens with the speed for NVMe drives if you make 2 partitions, and copy from a to b?

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Full speed for both?

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Since it's read/write. Or?

olive wadi
upper quiver
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bruh put it in a google sheet smh

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takes like 10 mins

olive wadi
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No

nimble robin
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Yes, do it

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Please

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I’m on an iPhone, don’t want to download something and view it in shivers

Files

upper quiver
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we should ban windshields from uploading files so he has no choice KEKW

nimble robin
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yes

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@lethal zodiac make it happen

hollow sphinx
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I was pinged?

olive wadi
upper quiver
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i guess "prevent" would be a better term

orchid rock
# olive wadi

Uhaa, I am looking to get the 980 Pro Samsung, so it seems I am in the ultra high end :))

nimble robin
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980 pro not the best

orchid rock
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I had no idea I am so cool =))

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I am speaking about that text file.

orchid rock
olive wadi
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lol

nimble robin
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uh

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SN850?

olive wadi
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hope you have a platform that can properly use PCIE 4.0

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or else your ssd will be gimped

olive wadi
orchid rock
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I will end up buying and returning a bunch of mobos, cpus, drives, etc :)) I have just returned a mobo, cause I want to go AMD :)) The only thing I won't return is the case cause it's too huge 😄

nimble robin
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noted

olive wadi
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buy intel optane 905p

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??? profit

nimble robin
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I heard the 905p wasnt nearly as good as the other two previously mentioned

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note that im no expert on these kinds of things but thats what I heard

orchid rock
# nimble robin SN850?

No WD for me. I have 2 of those crushed in a drawer :)) I don't say they are bad, but I am never going WD in the next 20 years.

nimble robin
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...

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ok

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thats dumb

orchid rock
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I am not sure I am on the right product tho, cause it costs thousands.

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Lol, best review for it 😄 "Cheap and good." I would underline cheap.

nimble robin
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scalp?

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link it

orchid rock
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It's in Romanian 🙂

nimble robin
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thats deceptive

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whats that in USD

orchid rock
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I think he is joking :)) Cause it costs about 1500 USD

nimble robin
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windshields doesnt joke

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one sec

orchid rock
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No, the one that reviewed the product.

olive wadi
red jay
orchid rock
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The one that reviewed the product is joking, cause the price on the page is about 1500 USD.

nimble robin
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'cheap' is relative of course

olive wadi
orchid rock
# red jay Why?

Because I don't like to purchase items from brands that failed me. In this case in two situations.

olive wadi
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WDs SN SSDs are based 😎

nimble robin
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agreed