storage-devices

[untold grove]

5 bay is like 650

so at the end of the day you either waste 400 or spend more for something that can actually have the potential to grow with you

i have never met someone who stuck with a 2 bay nas in my life

ive met people who have bought some

no one who stayed with it for over a year

also hi :))))

feel free to ask me anything i love helping people with nas related stuff

[chrome verge]

Thanks for all that information. I’ll save up a bit more for a 5 bay NAS. This would be a raid5 setup, right?

[untold grove]

yep

thats the best way to do it with 5 drives imo

most space while still having an "uh oh" redundancy

how much you looking to store?

[chrome verge]

Wanted to start with 12TB. I have about 4TB of video right now.

[untold grove]

makes sense

[chrome verge]

How easy would it be to upgrade in the future?

[untold grove]

so first off

2 options

[chrome verge]

Ok

[untold grove]

theres wd reds

more expensive, better warranty

then theres what i do

which is called shucking

get external hdd, take drive out

profit

(literally)

save like $200 per drive

[chrome verge]

I’ve done that before, which external drives are good for NAS? Is it obvious?

[untold grove]

so

here :)))

https://shucks.top/

❤️

[hazy slate]

Wiw das a gud deal i think i dim

Dum

[untold grove]

id check around there @chrome verge

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1598524-REG/synology_diskstation_ds1621_6_bay_nas.html

and this is a nice nas to target

[chrome verge]

Thanks!

[untold grove]

right now id say 10-12tb is the sweet spot

[chrome verge]

Are the 2x M.2 for storage?

[untold grove]

cache

throw a nvme drive in there and itll eat any writes you give it

then the nas will move the files to hdd when youre done writing

means you dont get 40mb/s writes on a bunch of files at once

[chrome verge]

Oh wow. So a 250-500gb M.2 should be plenty for me. Sounds good. Thanks again. I’ll save up for that NAS and the shockable drives.

Shuckable *

[untold grove]

hell yeah

i like the corsair mp510

because the 1tb does 1.7pbw

imo 256gb cache for every 10tb is fine

so if u filled all slots with 10-12tb id say 1tb is great

bigger drives last longer

[chrome verge]

Ok. One last question, hopefully. If I start with 3x 12TB in the 6bay NAS, I’d have 24TB usable space and 12TB for parity? Would I be able to add an extra 12TB rather easily down the line for 36TB usable space? Not sure what it would take to upgrade.

[untold grove]

yes

youd just need to be ok with the array being down for a bit

as it rebuilds and expands

depending on how full id say a day or so

or a few hrs

[chrome verge]

And that happens automatically once it’s set up? Just plop the drive in?

That’s not bad at all.

[untold grove]

https://www.synology.com/en-us/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/StorageManager/storage_pool_expand_add_disk

[whole prawn]

random thing does raid 6 have a increase in non sequential performance? over a single non raided HDD? like i dont mean much but is there any increasE?

[untold grove]

https://blog.storagecraft.com/raid-performance/

[whole prawn]

it just said writes are slow af

didnt help at all

[untold grove]

u mean randoms?

depends if ur writing to the array

or to a cahce

cache

every array should have a cache in front of it

[whole prawn]

could i just use system ram as a cache? like a tiny af 2-3GB cache?

because chances of me bulk writing more then that at once

is pretty slim

[untold grove]

set up a ramdisk and maybe

thats dumb tho

get cheap used ssd with dram for like $30

[whole prawn]

how the duck will a hard ware raid contoller know how to read from a ram disk lol]

but either way all i really care about is like reads, writes are nice but not of as much importance

since really as long as it can write faster then my crappy internet connection can bring data in

it wont be much issue

[untold grove]

yeah should be fine

[whole prawn]

so like would reading from raid 6 non sequentially/randomly with 7 drives be faster then doing so with a single drive?

[untold grove]

both saturate gigabit

[whole prawn]

so 7 raid6 drives reading non-sequentially will saturate a gigabit connection?

i have my doubts because my experience with drives is drives only do like 2-3MB/s non sequentially if your lucky

[untold grove]

depends what you read but i assume ur not reading to ssd

[whole prawn]

reading straight from the drives

no ssd here

[untold grove]

if ur moving files ur moving them to something

[whole prawn]

Yes from the drives to the raid controller and then to the PCIE slot then to the proccessor and out to the network

no SSD

[untold grove]

tf do you mean out to the network

they get moved to something

[whole prawn]

LAN?

[untold grove]

so wtf are you moving them to

unless you plan to run things directly off the nas

which is so stupid im not even gonna assume thats what u meant

[whole prawn]

exactly what i do with my current XP nas
use it to store litterally everything

[untold grove]

that is disgusting

[whole prawn]

Only thing local drives even get used for on my pc is game installations and thats about it

Yes it is :)

[untold grove]

well enjoy losing everything when it all fails lol

[whole prawn]

Thats why it will go to the new Raid NAS once the raid controller and stuff gets here

[untold grove]

doing what ur doing is stupid lol

[whole prawn]

origional NAS to the right
newer NAS to the left :)

[untold grove]

just saying enjoy having everything break

[whole prawn]

why would it break from reading and writing

?

Writing to a network drive is no worse for a drive then writing to a local one

idk what would break sure its ghetto but nothing is so gheto that it will break

*nothing about it

??

[thick mulch]

Idk if you have seen my status @whole prawn

But I am a BIG fan of dell dimensions

Mostly because I find so many in the dump. Been piecing together a sleeeper build with one

[whole prawn]

interesting

[thick mulch]

The black/grey ones not the yucky newer ones

[whole prawn]

fair

i have like 5 dimensions just kickin around lmao

[thick mulch]

Where you get them from?

Living in AK is kind of a blessing in disguise bc everyone needs a PC, doesn’t have money and dont care about dumpster divers, perfect place to snag some dimensions

[whole prawn]

a local non profit charity thrift store

[thick mulch]

Woah

Lucky

[whole prawn]

they will sell a pc that dosent turn on for like 5$

if it turns on like 15$

[thick mulch]

Still

We don’t really have business like that unfortunately

[whole prawn]

basically anything that isnt directly garbage in my town goes to this thrift store

toys, exercise equipment, appliances, clothes, etc

[thick mulch]

Wow, must be a nice town lol

[whole prawn]

i know we have a tiny population but we have like everything

we only got a total population of like 400-500

and yet we have enough stuff for a population of like 3000

You name a fast food chain? we probally have one. if not two.

you name a large department or ware house store? we probally have that to

etc

its quite interesting

[thick mulch]

What state?

[whole prawn]

georgia

[thick mulch]

Oh wow never ben

[whole prawn]

very rural georgia to

like as rural as you can get

[thick mulch]

r e d n e c k

Lol

[whole prawn]

yes we have those to lots

[untold grove]

generally hick towns are very red

so i just avoid

[thick mulch]

We have snow rednecks

[untold grove]

[thick mulch]

Politicaly or sunny?

[untold grove]

politically

[whole prawn]

Like no joke some random dude on discord was apperentely passing through my town
and i quote first thing he said about it was

"God D@$% these middle of Nowhere F#^^%^@#$% have everything"

was quite interesting

[thick mulch]

You haven’t seen nowhere like alaska

We are #1 in nowhere

[whole prawn]

fair enough but my town is as middle of nowhere as you can get in georgia

i have a feeling like only reason we have so much is my town is on the border with north carolina

so like my town is on one of the major highways between the states

[thick mulch]

Ooh

[whole prawn]

my town has a 4 lane highway going straight through it

[thick mulch]

Gotta show off to NC lol

[whole prawn]

yes

here ima just list off the things we have

we got like 3 subways here
we got a longhorn steakhouse
a dunkin donuts
a mcdonalds, wendys, burgerking, chick-fil-a, arbys, 2x papas pizzas, a walmart, a homedepot, a ace hardware, a Tractor supply, a ford/chevy/jeep/crysler/dodge/toyota dealer, a New holland/john deer/kobuta/CAT/(some other tractor manufactures i cant name) dealer, a massive communications cable plant (like big enough you could fit a couple space shuttles inside it complete with the orange booster thing) , 2x water bottling plants, a random high end sushi place, like 4x chinese places, a (olive garden supposedly coming in a few months), like 5 gas stations..., a taco bell, a KFC, like 10 banks, a ingles, like 4 dollar stores...

Im to lazy to keep typing but thats like 1/4th of the crap we have for our tiny population

once again we only have like a population of like 400-500

[thick mulch]

Wow. At this point i have to wonder about your username

Ok and with that I am gone

[whole prawn]

lmao

[thick mulch]

Ok that sounded wrong on second viewing

That was not ment....

[whole prawn]

hahaha

[red jay]

Need help finding good 1tb ssd under 100usd

There are a lot but idk which one to go for

[whole prawn]

you probally could but dont expect good write endurance or anthing

if your able to replace the thing every 2-3 years yea a sub 100$ 1TB will be fine but if you wont be able to you might as well forget about it lmao

[untold grove]

stretch your bidget and get mp34

[visual tulip]

I got a new hdd for my computer

Do I need anything before installing it, like needing to buy cables, etc.

Or would i find it within my computer

[modern cedar]

so, i build my pc today, and i was wondering, i want to start fresh in terms of storage, because i feel like re-downloading software and games is easier than cleaning it all out. if i were to format my current hard drive, (not windows) what would that do to my current system in terms of booting etc

[red jay]

so WD blue, Crucial MX500, Teamgroup EX2 + GX2 + AX2, Sandisk ssd plus, and silicon power a55 are all bad drives?

I mean they all look decent but if all won’t last me 3 years then forget it ig

[loud estuary]

Look at specs, not just brand or price. Cheap doesn't always mean bad (Tho none of those are very good if I recall correctly)

MX500 is a good option, tho an nvme would obv be better

None of the other ones you mentioned are very good tho

MX500 has a tbw rating of 360tb. Assuming it hold up to that and that you write 30 tb per year, it would last you 12 years

tbw = terrabytes written

[loud estuary]

Do this if you can

[loud estuary]

but this prediction with the mx500 would have you writing 120tbs per years. Yes, another factor might cause premature death, but I think you should look at specs and trust them to a certain degree. 30 tbw/year is already a pretty high estimate. Obv that is not the only factor, but don't think that just because you pay less your drive will die after three years.

[loud estuary]

But like I said, mx500 is the only one out of these that I'd buy and get an mp34 if you can

[red jay]

@loud estuary thx for the help. I found the Kingston a2000 for 99 dollars and it looks solid

It’s between that or an mp34 for me

[loud estuary]

MP34 is better, but it's up to you

(better r/w and quad vs dual config)

[spring violet]

not sure if this is even a worthwhile question or not but just got my m.2 ssd and wasn’t sure if i should plug it into the 64gb/s slot with no shield or 32gb/s slot with shield on an asus tuf b550m plus

[untold grove]

blue ok, mx500 alright

[minor sun]

blue bad for m.2, ok for sata

[red jay]

those r all sat

sata

so

[untold grove]

yeah but they brought up all sata drives

[red jay]

or at least i was talking abt sata lol

[minor sun]

mx500 has dram, bx500 is dramless

[red jay]

my b for not clarifying

[untold grove]

yem

[minor sun]

There's 2 different wd blue ssds

m.2 and sata

so

[untold grove]

the b stands for bad

[minor sun]

yes

[untold grove]

theres 3 actually

[minor sun]

BX500 should be on the bad drive list

MX500 decent

[red jay]

might just get a 2tb hdd lol

spend the rest of the amazon gc on a webcam or somethn

[untold grove]

2.5 sata, m.2 sata, m.2 nvme

[untold grove]

literal trash idea

get a mp34

profit

and @minor sun im looking for a blue nvme actually

[minor sun]

no

don't

[untold grove]

i am

[minor sun]

sn550 is only hmb

it's sad

[untold grove]

but

[minor sun]

just get a p1

[untold grove]

no

listen

[minor sun]

P 1

[untold grove]

the blue has all the nand and stuff on the very end

i can cut it down

[minor sun]

you what

[untold grove]

make it fit in a m.2 lte module slot

[minor sun]

just get a m.2 like 2242 drive

[untold grove]

this cheaper

[minor sun]

:P

[quartz plaza]

mm 10/10 keyboard

[vernal geode]

i need help lol

ok so i have everything on my 2tb hdd and its also my boot device and i just installed a 970 evo and used macrium reflect because i wanna the 970 to be my boot but when i try to boot from it it doesnt work so what do i do

[untold grove]

use samsungs clone tool

[vernal geode]

So do I delete everything on it right now and then reclone

[untold grove]

yes

using the proper tool this time

heres the direct link to their clone software (big url) https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws.com/global.semi.static/SAMSUNG_SSD_200917/SW/6B74675B9A2FB5F99B41D766BE5CD0C09EC2A1EAC1BAC402E3A27C8E0055C39A/Samsung Data Migration Setup.exe

alternatively you can go here https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/download/tools/ and scroll to samsung data migration software for consumer ssd

which will just take u to the link i sent above

[loud orchid]

Is this a normal noise going from my HDD

[dusk turtle]

Mmmm, no

MIght wanna consider backing eerything up and replacing it

[loud orchid]

Ya but I was using crystaldisk

[dusk turtle]

IMO, it should't have consistent sounds like that but if you were using Crystal Disc, that's another ball game

If it doesn't do that under normal use, it's fine

[loud orchid]

Ya it does that sound every few minutes

[dusk turtle]

NOT using Crystal disk?

[loud orchid]

Ya but that noise only once

Every few minutes

[dusk turtle]

mmmm

I'd be backing up data and replacing it TBH

[loud orchid]

does this look good

[dusk turtle]

@untold grove Listen to this video, tell me what you think. It's a few posts up

[untold grove]

let me hear rq

back u

p

rn

@loud orchid if theres anything important on there

id move it off asap

[dusk turtle]

K, we agree

FIRST TIME

:highfive:

[loud orchid]

I’ve only had it for a few months

[untold grove]

yeah and its seagate

seagate only makes POS drives

[dusk turtle]

yeah, and it's going bad. SOrry for your luck but RMA it

back up your data first since it's still working!

[loud orchid]

I mean I’ve only been using it for a few months

[untold grove]

now u see why i say "seagate is ok but never put anything important on it"

[dusk turtle]

I has Toshiba

😉

[untold grove]

seagate is a garbage company making garbage drives

[untold grove]

toshiba is s tier

[dusk turtle]

S as in poo?

[untold grove]

s as in god tier

imo

[thick mulch]

isnt ocz toshiba now?

[untold grove]

i really like toshiba 3.5 inch drives

[dusk turtle]

OH

[untold grove]

ocz's ssd branch is toshiba now

[dusk turtle]

HW160 I think?

[untold grove]

which is not kioxia

[thick mulch]

I have a lot of blingy ddr2 ocz ram

[untold grove]

ocz was fun

[dusk turtle]

HDWE160

[untold grove]

if you know the story tell me so ill stop

but basically they got low binned stuff

and said "push as much as you can out of it"

[loud orchid]

I’ve only had it for a year do you think I can get my money back

[untold grove]

"overclock the snot out of our ram"

and if anything goes wrong

we have a lifetime warranty

because we're totally gonna be around forever right?

right?

[dusk turtle]

Lifetime warranty is only as long as the company is around XD

[loud orchid]

Got it from Amazon so how does that work

[dusk turtle]

Mmm...not sure

Never returned anything to Amazon

[loud orchid]

Why

[dusk turtle]

never had an issue

TBH

[untold grove]

amazon is good with returns

its why i never use newegg

i used newegg once and had an issue and return was hell

ended up doing a chargeback on my card and never using them again

[loud orchid]

And lucky I don’t have everything important on it pog thanks guys

[untold grove]

yep

dont keep anything important on seagate

if you ever get a new drive just grab a wd blue 4tb

like $20 more than the seagate 2tb

[loud orchid]

I might just get a Ssd

[untold grove]

is this your boot drive or

[loud orchid]

Nah I have a m.2

500gb

[untold grove]

hdd superior for storage density/cost

ssd better for access time/speed but is significantly more expensive

4tb hdd is like $80 and a 4tb ssd is like $3-400

[cerulean mist]

i need help with my pc

i turned it on

and my files and everything were gone

i reset now it says fixing C stage 1

now stage 2

can someone tell me why this is happening

[kindred ether]

hi I need help spec'ing a NAS for home use. I've been studying it off and on but there are a few key points I can't seem to tease out. Any help would be appreciated! First, I simply want to mount it as a network drive. I do NOT want to go through some proprietary app to see my own files. How do I tell which ones require their app v. allow you to mount it as a drive?

[upper quiver]

@untold grove

help this mans

unless ur busy

[untold grove]

whats ur budget?

and

you can do both

[kindred ether]

it's more about getting the right solution than a specific budget. expecting to spend 700+ on it.

[untold grove]

just nas or drives included?

and i simp for synology

[kindred ether]

I'm fine with buying separate drives, open to either option

[untold grove]

qnap is really bad

so basically, any nas works as a network drive right

but

some of them will have their own apps, and those let you see the files off of your LAN

its a good secure way to access files when you arent on your home network

make sense?

[kindred ether]

so those that have their own apps - you can ignore their apps and just use it as a network drive?

[untold grove]

i think that was the hitch you were running into

yes that is correct

i only trust synology for prebuilts

and if i can be honest, synology's apps are ones I'd actually use

like

[kindred ether]

oh awesome, could not figure that out, thanks. had read some buyers comments that they couldn't mount as drives, only use the web apps, so I was concerned.

[untold grove]

their photo tagging is god tier

on which units?

like if u get a qnap nas or something from one of the weird small brands

like uhhh

[kindred ether]

wd my cloud I think - they had to go up to a higher model to get away from the web app

[untold grove]

buffalo or terramaster or wd

oh yeah WD nas are weird

do not recommend

you either roll your own using freenas and a system you build yourself

(like i do)

or you use a synology prebuilt system

[kindred ether]

i was starting to wonder if I should just build a desktop pc and use that lol

[untold grove]

those are the only 2 options worth considering

so thats possible but you lose out on the convenience

and if you dont know what you're doing you can seriously break something

id just point you at synology

5-6 bays is around what you want

how much you planning to store?

[kindred ether]

I'm at 1.5TB now, need min 2x2TB for backup and would prefer 2x4TB

[untold grove]

icic

hehe im used to helping ppl who want like 50+

[kindred ether]

5-6 bays for the RAID performance?

ha!

[untold grove]

5-6 bays to let it grow with you

[kindred ether]

yeah, just a home user wanting a convenient solution

ok

[untold grove]

and synology software is GOD TIER btw

like you can set up automatic system backups

[kindred ether]

good to know

awesome

[untold grove]

bunch of cool stuff that building your own nas cant do

[kindred ether]

ok

[untold grove]

and

[kindred ether]

do I need "transcoding" if I'm playing videos?

[untold grove]

so

transcoding is like

lets say you have a 1080p file right

but

you want to play it at uhh

720p

well that doesnt happen for "free" computation wise

[thick mulch]

I think I just built my dream NAS 😎

[untold grove]

the nas would have to re encode the video and compress it to 720p on the fly

basically

[untold grove]

speccs

[kindred ether]

why would I want to do that? all I want to do is use a laptop, ipad, or phone to pull up my own video file, and then mirror it to a tv. and have it all in one central drive, with backup. that's it.

but I get what you're saying

[untold grove]

yep you dont really need to worry about it

[thick mulch]

Core 2 quad 8200 Nvidia gt120 gateway case Antec PSU and 4x 2tb WD greens w a intel nic

[kindred ether]

oky doky

[untold grove]

its more like if youre running something like a plex media server

and want to watch your movies while not being at home

stuff like that

your needs are simple so the hardware can also be simple :))

[kindred ether]

yeah I don't care about access outside the home for now. and plex is just for finding and sorting, right? don't really need that?

[untold grove]

plex is like a single pane of glass

shows you the movies, grabs subtitles, info, you can categorize, it has its own apps and player

you can just dump files into the nas and set plex to monitor them

[kindred ether]

gotcha, that's what I thought

[untold grove]

but thats more for media server usage

its honestly nice

i personally dont use it though but some of my friends do

[kindred ether]

ok

[untold grove]

my collection isnt massive and plex scales better from what ive heard

i only have like 500 of movies

500tb*

[thick mulch]

Wow

Still a lot

[untold grove]

so my solution doesnt choke too bad

one of my friends has 3.5pb of anime i think

[thick mulch]

Y u c k

[untold grove]

its pretty cool hehe

[kindred ether]

what about ssd? are the hdd drives really that loud if I'm looking at only a 2 bay array?

[untold grove]

they arent loud

and honestly 2 bay is alright

but

i have NEVER met someone who has kept a 2 bay nas

[kindred ether]

hmm ok

[wraith cipher]

Lol

[untold grove]

2 bay is a nice starter

but everyone ends up upgrading

because 2 bays limits you right

you either get raid 0 or raid 1

and either one kinda sucks

[kindred ether]

ok

[untold grove]

raid 0 means u get to use both drives

raid 1 means you only get to use 1 drive

basically

[kindred ether]

right, but I do want the backup

[untold grove]

but if one drive on raid 0 fails

everything is gone

and raid is NOT a backup

anything important should be backed up 321

[kindred ether]

I thought raid 1 was?

[untold grove]

no

raid is never a backup

at most raid is redundancy

if one drive fails, you can put another drive in and the array heals itself

[kindred ether]

ah

[wraith cipher]

Sometimes?

[untold grove]

but it is never to be used as a backup or thought of as one

[untold grove]

wdym sometimes

if your array cant deal with losing one drive, you set something up very wrong

[wraith cipher]

I missed the "1

"

[untold grove]

hehe

thats why i like 5 bay nas

lets you do raid 5

which is bae

[wraith cipher]

What is that?

I don't have any personal experience with raid.

[untold grove]

raid 5 is the cutest type

[kindred ether]

so if I've got a raid nas, can I use one of the drives as backup?

assuming 4 bays

[untold grove]

RAID 5 is the most common secure RAID level. It requires at least 3 drives but can work with up to 16. Data blocks are striped across the drives and on one drive a parity checksum of all the block data is written. The parity data are not written to a fixed drive, they are spread across all drives, as the drawing below shows. Using the parity data, the computer can recalculate the data of one of the other data blocks, should those data no longer be available. That means a RAID 5 array can withstand a single drive failure without losing data or access to data. Although RAID 5 can be achieved in software, a hardware controller is recommended. Often extra cache memory is used on these controllers to improve the write performance.

[untold grove]

that would be called using a "parity" drive

think of parity drives as extra lives in video games

for each parity drive you have, you can lose one drive

without the array failing

so i have 10 parity drives

that means that as long as under 10 drives fail at once, i am okay

[kindred ether]

gotcha

[untold grove]

so youd want a 5 bay nas with one drive set aside as parity basically

[wraith cipher]

How many drives do you have total?

[untold grove]

thats the best way to do it imo

me?

[wraith cipher]

Yeah

[untold grove]

like around 80-100

[wraith cipher]

Noice

[kindred ether]

or I could do 4 bay, 3 for RAID 5 and 1 parity?

[untold grove]

yes

[wraith cipher]

What is your usable capacity?

[untold grove]

around 200tb

not counting cache

or cloud

[wraith cipher]

Nice

Yeah

[untold grove]

i have 0.75pb in cloud

and planning on getting 2pb local eventually

[kindred ether]

I'm anti-cloud, can you tell? 😆

[untold grove]

lmao

google doesnt datamine me so idc too much tbh

[kindred ether]

has it's uses, but limited control

[untold grove]

there is no cloud

[kindred ether]

how do I figure out whether 1GbE LAN is sufficient or I need 10 or whatever? is this mostly a function of the router I'll connect the NAS to?

[untold grove]

just someone else's computer

[untold grove]

if you needed 10gbe youd know

[kindred ether]

exactly

[untold grove]

basically gigabit is 100mb/s

so 10gbe is 1gb/s

do you need 1gb/s of transfer speed?

i dont think you do tbh

[kindred ether]

ok ty

didn't want to spend 1k on something that sits there and spins

[untold grove]

lol np

generally 1gbe is fine for uhhhhhh

under 10 users

or up to 50 users if its just basic use, no big video streams

10gbe is either if ur insane like i am

or if you have like 10 people streaming 4k

which i also have

[hazy slate]

Wow

PogChamp

[kindred ether]

@untold grove can I download your brain into mine? I've been going in circles, looking at this off and on for months, and you helped sort it out in a few short minutes - thanks so much!!!!!!!!

[untold grove]

lol no problem!!

feel free to dm me with any and all questions

i love helping people get into my hobby :))))

[kindred ether]

awesome, thanks

[untold grove]

also

you said 700 right?

if thats JUST for the nas

then

here

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1598524-REG/synology_diskstation_ds1621_6_bay_nas.html

https://shucks.top/

and this right here is a great place to go for drives

basically WD makes external backup drives

that use white labels of their famous red drives

the difference is if you buy these

its $200 for 12tb instead of $450

[kindred ether]

w.o.w.

[untold grove]

and you can just pop the drives out of the enclosures

and chuck em in the nas no problem

[wraith cipher]

Nice

[untold grove]

i have a bunch of 10tb drives i did like that

theyre running my onsite nas actually

so smol

only 40tb usable

[red jay]

What hdd would you guys recommend?

looking for 2tb

[untold grove]

whats the budget?

[kindred ether]

you're saying easystore, elements, mybook - these are all wd red drives?

[untold grove]

i ask because 4tb is $20 more than 2tb

[red jay]

I have 100 usd amazon gift card

[untold grove]

yes, you have gained the forbidden knowledge

[red jay]

looking for something thats like 70$ max

[untold grove]

wd blue 4tb is $75

would that fit

the budget?

[red jay]

yeah I could make it work

im trying to get a webcam with the difference lol

[untold grove]

id go with that then

icic

well the way i see it, more storage is always better

especially with how darn huge games have been getting

[red jay]

yeah definitely

This is probably going to be the last hdd I ever use as well

[untold grove]

hehe

[red jay]

looking forward to the day when a 1tb ssd is 50 dollars

[untold grove]

idk, i dont think ssds will get that cheap

[red jay]

hope

[untold grove]

but god i want to be proven wrong so bad

im sure some qlc drive will get that low eventually

but qlc 🤮

[red jay]

even $70 for 1tb would be nice

[untold grove]

@kindred ether id go with BH or bestbuy btw

i hate BH with a burning passion

but

they do sell drives and synology stuff at a good price

their service is good too

[kindred ether]

I don't know BH...?

what is BH?

[untold grove]

BH photo video

[kindred ether]

ok

[untold grove]

they sell synology stuff

i just dont like their politics

[red jay]

oof I might just get 2tb wd

wd blue > seagate barracuda?

[untold grove]

as long as it isnt seagate

ur set

[red jay]

ok lol didn't know that

I thought seagate was pretty good

dont know much about storage at all tho

[untold grove]

seagate makes the most garbage drives on the planet

i used to do data recovery at my old work

50 seagates for every 1 wd drive

[red jay]

yikes

[untold grove]

came in needing recovery

[red jay]

yeah I read a review that said they got really high failure rates and I was like "What?"

[untold grove]

and all the wd drives were absolute DREAMS

[red jay]

good thing I didnt buy lol

[untold grove]

theres also backblaze stats but i dont like those too much

theyre the best concrete data but they abuse their drives

[red jay]

but 2tb wd blue is perfect for me

since I plan to have a boot drive, hdd for large project files, and a sata ssd for games later on

[untold grove]

yep

[red jay]

so ty

[untold grove]

youll be happu with that drive

just remember

if its important to you, back it up

[red jay]

and its 50 dollars which means webcam!

[untold grove]

never trust a drive

[red jay]

how do I backup

with onedrive or something

?

[untold grove]

google drive, backblaze, dropbox, icedrive

[red jay]

ah ic

[untold grove]

onedrive is passable too i guess

[red jay]

oof ive never used a backup program before

[untold grove]

i like backblaze theyre cheap and good enough

[red jay]

one time payment or subscription?

ah nvm

[untold grove]

subscription

[red jay]

thanks for the help!

[untold grove]

iirc like $5 monthly

remember, if a product is free, you are the product

[red jay]

excellent poin

t

[untold grove]

@dusk turtle

datacenter fun

our server people dont get paid enough for this

[dusk turtle]

HAHAHAHAHAH

Who left the door open?

[untold grove]

idk hehe

[torpid adder]

Advanced deer technology

[steady dawn]

robot deer

[turbid torrent]

My boot nvme ssd died (liquid metal explosion from dropping computer so hard the cooler came up and stripped the mount). Ssd is the only thing that died. It was a cheap used 256gb nvme dell laptop oem drive. Is the SN750 500GB for $60 a decent replacement?

[narrow harbor]

Yes

[loud estuary]

Yes, but see if the mp34 is cheaper

[untold grove]

970 evo, sn750, mp34

in that order from best to least best

[frosty jacinth]

I recently changed my motherboard, cpu, and memory, and added a PCIe SSD. If the ssd is not in the computer, it boots fine from the hdd. If the ssd is in, it tries to boot from it. I have tried to change the priority, but when the ssd is in, it is the only option showing in the bios. Can anyone please help?

[untold grove]

why arent u wanting to boot from the ssd?

[frosty jacinth]

I want to, but it is new and there is nothing on it yet.

[untold grove]

ahhhh icic

so fun thing

pcie ssds will often take bandwidth from the sata 1 port

which is what im guessing the hdd is plugged into

plug it into a different port and try again :))

[frosty jacinth]

It is

[untold grove]

plug the hdd into like

sata 4

and ur all set

who made the ssd?

[frosty jacinth]

Crucial

[untold grove]

ah kk

[frosty jacinth]

Thank you so much for your help. Gonna go try that now.

[untold grove]

boop

https://www.crucial.com/support/ssd/ssd-install/ssd-install-steps/part-2-copy

once the drive is in

follow these steps to copy things over :))

[frosty jacinth]

Thank you.

Ok, I only see 2 sata ports. The hdd is in one and the DVD room is in the other.

[untold grove]

can i see the board

[frosty jacinth]

Never mind. I found the other 4. I plugged the DVD and the hdd into 2 and 3. I left the 0 and 1 open, along with the avatar ports

The ASATA ports

I apparently don't have permission to send a pic.

[untold grove]

yeah gotta talok more

[turbid torrent]

Aight I bought the sn750. $60 seemed like a decent price. Double the speed of my last nvme

It had no dram cache

I got it for $18 for 256GB tho and read write was 1400MB/s each

Is system ram caching for drives something worth looking into if I have 9TB of hard drives on my machine?

[untold grove]

Nah

Just get a cache drive

[turbid torrent]

I have 32GB of ram and don't really use it, why I was curious

I have an extra 8ish gb of memory

[humble vapor]

Yo do I remove the paper sticker that come on a nvme ssd ?

[untold grove]

not unless u want to lose ur warranrt

warranty

[torpid adder]

There's no reason to

[untold grove]

Maybe mildly better cooling perf

[loud estuary]

Probably worse b/c they often use it as a heatspreader

[untold grove]

Depends if you have a heatsink or not

[turbid torrent]

If the sticker has an aluminum bottom do not, it's a heat spreader. Same with ram sticks. If it's just a paper or plastic one there usually isn't much harm

[untold grove]

Do not remove the sticker ever, however if youre ok with no warranty and want direct contact on the controller then removing the sticker is a good option tbh

[dusk turtle]

I removed.

Installed heatsink

[untold grove]

Yep

[radiant root]

So I have a sn750 and it booted in 14s before I went in msconfig and set to all cores and set back out time or something from 30 to 3

[turbid ember]

Worth it?https://www.newegg.com/crucial-1tb-p2/p/N82E16820156252

[untold grove]

dramless

[turbid ember]

what would that impact?

[untold grove]

a lot

mp34 is still the best stupid cheap nvme ssd

[turbid ember]

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-1tb/p/N82E16820156247?item=N82E16820156247&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=IGNEFL123120C&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL123120C-_-EMC-123120-Latest-_-InternalSSDs-_-20156247-S1A4A&ignorebbr=1

any better, im not knowledgable on mmory

[untold grove]

meh

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16820147743

id just get this if it were me

[minor sun]

nooo

lili

[untold grove]

im not joining ur sn750 cult

[minor sun]

@turbid ember
https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Solid-State-Drive-TM8FP4001T0C101/dp/B07PHQ6Q1D/

I was never in a sn750 cult

I am the leader of the mp34 cult

[untold grove]

or your mp34 cult

its a greasy drive

[minor sun]

But you can't disagree the pricing is closer to the P2 than the evo plus

[untold grove]

yes but if ur willing to spend more u get a nicer drive

[turbid ember]

id love samsung but theyre pricey af

[minor sun]

MP34 is nicer than P2

[untold grove]

how much is ur data worth to you

[minor sun]

and sammy a bit nicer than mp34

[untold grove]

a lot nicer imo

but yeah for stupid cheap id get mp34

[minor sun]

not everyone uses sammy software :P

[untold grove]

how much is sn750 rn

[minor sun]

should be 130 lemme check

[untold grove]

everyone should tho

[minor sun]

yea it's 130

most people just slap data on and never touch it :P

[untold grove]

not that i trust ssds to do anything more than cache stuff

[minor sun]

not that most people will have like 80tb of HDDs and need a cache drive for

[turbid ember]

if i have 3 M.2 slots and dont intend to use any other memory options.

[untold grove]

cause most ppl are dummies

[turbid ember]

no 2.5/3.5 drives

[minor sun]

@untold grove like 99% of the population won't use a nas

[untold grove]

99% of the population is worthless

[minor sun]

no u

it's prob more like 99.999% of the population won't use a nas

[untold grove]

ok non one percenter

[minor sun]

either way

MP34 makes most sense price wise for a normal person :P

[untold grove]

i dont trust them

[minor sun]

@untold grove you should get one and tell us how long it lasts

[untold grove]

get teamgroup to send me one to kill and ill tell ppl to get them then

have mike send me one

[minor sun]

just buy one :P

[untold grove]

why wouldi spend $100 on a garbage ssd

[minor sun]

1.7pbw tho

:P

[untold grove]

inb4 it dies after 600

[minor sun]

That's why I want you to try it :P

[untold grove]

and i need to do 3 rmas to hit 1.7

plus i like samsung's mlc

genuinely god tier nand

[minor sun]

also, mp510 heatsink time soon

[untold grove]

nice!

but fr like

[minor sun]

imagine if the heatsink is just crap xD

[untold grove]

that mlc is that makes the 970 such a good drive

[untold grove]

its just paper

[minor sun]

it's not copper, just alum

anyways

[untold grove]

id say the mp34 is good if u dont care abt losing everything on the drive at any moment

cause im 99% sure theyre just doing what ocz did

[minor sun]

I want to know tho

[dusk turtle]

Which heatsink?

EK?

[untold grove]

i also want to know but i dont want to pay to confim what i thought

i will gladly test one if its sent over though

[minor sun]

lol

I want someone good to test it

Bought a random heatsink off newegg

[untold grove]

and yeah i rly do want to look at it

i might honestly email team

[river heart]

Probably a easy question, but if I wanted to installed two 970 EVO Plus drives and have them read as one partition is that doable and relatively straight forward at accomplishing?

[minor sun]

@untold grove prob windows storage spaces eh?

[untold grove]

yep

storage spaces unless ur booting from it

[minor sun]

I assume raid0 if you are booting from it?

[untold grove]

if ur booting from it u cant use soft raid generally

[minor sun]

hm?

[untold grove]

windows storage spaces is soft raid

[minor sun]

thought you could raid 0 boot drives

[untold grove]

you 100% can

but not in windows

[minor sun]

would bios raid be soft raid?

[untold grove]

cause ur booting to that

[minor sun]

or do you need a raid controller

[untold grove]

bios raid is also soft raid but less soft

bios raid is like raiding in the hypervisor vs the host

its elevated a layer

if ur booting from the drive do raid 0 in the bios

if ur using it as storage then windows storage spaces ftw

[minor sun]

Oh and also, everything other than raid 1/0 you should get a controller for, correct?

[river heart]

It'd be my boot drive

[minor sun]

say setting up raid 5 or smth

[river heart]

Was looking to make use of two 1TB NVMe drives instead of spending the extra money on a single 2TB

[untold grove]

ideally yes

depending on your host OS that is

[minor sun]

I don't think you can bios raid 2/3/4/5/6 or combine like 10

[untold grove]

unraid is REALLY GOOD and doesnt need a raid controller

[minor sun]

hm

unraid linux only right?

[untold grove]

unraid is linux

its a hypervisor

[minor sun]

gotcha

[untold grove]

its basically just a stronger raid 5

that allows for u to use a bunch of weird drives lol

[minor sun]

hm okay

[untold grove]

and run vms and stuff

[minor sun]

@untold grove so it doesn't just allow you to use a better software raid, but itself is a kind of raid?

[untold grove]

its like consumer baby hypervisor

it is raid

[minor sun]

gotcha

[untold grove]

its its own software raid thing

[minor sun]

I thought it was like software replacement for a hardware controller

[untold grove]

it differs from truenas in that regard

basically yes

but with its own hypervisor

[minor sun]

hmmm

am confused

[untold grove]

basically

truenas needs raid card

you config raid there

then ur ready to go

unraid u config raid within they hypervisor

but it is more resilient than normal software raid

[minor sun]

and with the bit with the "stronger raid 5", is it comparable or more resilient than hardware raid?

[untold grove]

it depends

so like

same drives, set up right

hw raid is better on a good controller

but

if ur using some weird ass drives

and mixing sizes (this is the big thing) then unraid ftw

u dont rly mix sizes at all on hw raid

unless u want a bad time

[minor sun]

gotcha

[untold grove]

plus honestly unraid is just nice

like it works

it does its job

and it does it well

its okay at vms too

and community docker containers for it are a nice bonus

overall id say its really good for newer ppl but is bad at scalin

[past peak]

yo storage woman

[untold grove]

yea

[past peak]

what are the differences in between tlc and qlc? heard that qlc is better but wanna know if i’ll be fine with sum cheap tlc drive or if it’s worth getting the better option

[minor sun]

get dram

dram over everything else

[untold grove]

qlc is worse

[minor sun]

tlc v qlc is performance and longevity differences

3 bit per cell vs 4 bit per cell

[untold grove]

it goes slc best, mlc second best, tlc average, qlc bad

its why i shill the evo plus so much

its the cheapest mlc drive

which is also why it lasts FOREVER

[past peak]

oh frick i got em mixed up

thx for the clarification

[minor sun]

less bits per cell = less the bits have to work

[untold grove]

slc ssds are god tier

and also unobtainium

tlc is okay but the quality of nand also matters

[minor sun]

yes

[untold grove]

imo it goes samsung>wd>hynix>toshiba>micron

wait i forgot hynix

[dusk turtle]

You forgot sabrent >:>

[untold grove]

sabrent doesnt make nand iirc

[minor sun]

Sabrent uses toshiba

rocket does

[untold grove]

yep sabrent uses kioxia nand

aka toshiba memory

[minor sun]

no

hate that name

can never remember it

[untold grove]

i think it sounds cuter than toshiba

[wraith cipher]

Who makes silicon power?

[cerulean depot]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-series-1tb-internal-pcie-express-3-0-gen3x4-m-2-2280-solid-state-drive-with-flash-3d-nand-technology/6423378.p?skuId=6423378 good drive?

Which would be better, this or Teamgroup mp34?

[upper quiver]

good drive

a TB for 100? damn thats a good price

[cerulean depot]

Yup.

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-Solid-State-Drive-TM8FP4001T0C101/dp/B07PHQ6Q1D I’ve gotten many recommendations for this one...I’m having a hard time deciding

Keeping in mind that the controller on the Adata drive was recently changed

(Downgraded)

[upper quiver]

imo, save the 10 dollars

because trust me, you arent gonna be able to tell the difference between overkill storage, and also overkill storage

[cerulean depot]

Cant find the TBW for the Adata drive though

[upper quiver]

it probably hasnt changed

[cerulean depot]

Even the original one. On their website it legit just says it’s high lmao

[upper quiver]

640TBW

[cerulean depot]

Ok I’m never hitting that lmao

Teamgroup’s is still extremely impressive

[upper quiver]

yeah right?

[cerulean depot]

1.6 petabytes

[upper quiver]

thats why its really good value

[untold grove]

HORRIBLE DRIVE

dont buy

[cerulean depot]

I didn’t but why lmao

[untold grove]

controller, nand, formware

all changed

[cerulean depot]

Oof

I dodged a bullet then

[untold grove]

literally worse than mp34 at this point

for mor e

plus adata drives consistently fail for me and ppl i know

[cerulean depot]

Alright. Thanks for the heads up

[untold grove]

sysadmin i know rolled out hundreds, in 2 years 60% died lol

[upper quiver]

theyre consumer drives

the changes they made wont really effect someone gaming on windows

lets be realistic here

[untold grove]

theyll affect value for money

and those drives my friend rolled out were ssds for normal end users

and they still died

[upper quiver]

yes, thats what they are

so dont go putting em in a datacenter and complain when you kill them lmao

[vague obsidian]

Can someone help me find the adapter I need to transfer data from some old macbook pro harddrives to my PC? SATA to USB?

[untold grove]

im saying he deployed them to normal endpoints

just upgrading office pcs

because i know a lot of the time when i talk about ssds from my experiences

it is in a datacenter role

so im clarifying that these are so trash tier they cant even fill the purpose they were created to fill

[keen lantern]

Dont know if this is exactly the right place but. After resetting and reinstalling windows on my C: drive im blue screening multiple times a day.

I have run a DDU to get rid of graphics drivers since PC was also making 2nd monitor flicker and green screen. At this point im lost in what to do

[broken kayak]

Am I able to put a pcie 3 nvme into a pcie 4 nvme slot on the mobo

[loud estuary]

Yep

[untold grove]

yes, you just wouldnt get full pcie 4 speeds (duh)

[terse thicket]

Hi. I need help. After a big difragment and some heavy file transfer my laptop got unstable and it would occasionally freeze. I just like a normal freeze rebooted it every time until the last time that it gave me a blue screen with whea uncontrollable error.
I ran the hp hardware diagnostics from bios and it says that hard disk short and long DST checks have failed.
I'm not in a good financial situation to go and buy a spare hdd. I want to know how much time I have to backup my data before it all fails. Thanks

[untold grove]

no one can know

might last weeks, might be months, might be minutes

if it still works id back up right now if you care about the data @terse thicket

[cerulean mist]

how do i trasnfer everything from my old hdd to my new ssd i just put in

@untold grove sorry for the ping but you look most active

[terse thicket]

There are some bootable softwares for that.

Thanks for the tip lili. I dont know how but I will backup all my data.

[untold grove]

who made the ssd

[thick mulch]

Corsair force GT any good?

[nimble robin]

Never heard of it

So probs not

@untold grove

[untold grove]

ehhhhhhhhh

that one of the sata ones?

[thick mulch]

sata

yea

[untold grove]

they dont like

make those anymore iirc

getting used?

[thick mulch]

its red

[untold grove]

yeah i have one

[thick mulch]

yea

[untold grove]

id just get a normal ssd and paint red

[thick mulch]

lol

[untold grove]

like the hynix one

because

[thick mulch]

i am getting it free lol

[untold grove]

the corsair one doesnt tell you tbw or anything like that

well thats a different story

its an older ssd

like 2013ish

[thick mulch]

yeah

it is old but just wondering if it is decent speed/ reliability

[untold grove]

reliability no

speed will be

well its a sata ssd

[thick mulch]

hmm...

ok

trying to figure out what to do w it lol

[untold grove]

just chuck games on it

ezpz

mine is currently rotting cause im scared to toast it

[thick mulch]

hmm... yeah I will either do that or ship it off in a salvage flip or that

[red jay]

Hello everybody. First time using discord so I apologize if I mess this uplol . I am purchasing this PC tonight (https://www.newegg.ca/abs-ala221/p/N82E16883360018?Item=N82E16883360018) and wondering if anyone could provide me with suggestions on what extra storage I should get for the PC. Should I get internal SSD or external SSD? Budget would be $200 (flexible). Thank you!!

[untold grove]

internal

1tb samsung 970 plus

[red jay]

Does that mean I completely replace the SSD it comes with?

[brisk dome]

You could if you wanted, but you could also just add it as a second drive

[red jay]

Okay thank you. I wasnt sure if the motherboard would support it. That's where it would go correct? Again my apologies i'm completely new to this

[brisk dome]

Yes, the 970 Evo is an M.2 SSD so it will plug directly into the motherboard and be held there with a screw

The listing says it has a b450 mobo so afaik it should support at least two m.2 slots

[red jay]

Okay thank you. I was looking at pictures of the motherboard and It seems according to diagrams it only has one m.2 slot

https://www.newegg.ca/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h/p/N82E16813145083

like this link there

[brisk dome]

Yeah that motherboard only has 1 m.2 slot because it's a smaller form factor

[red jay]

So what would your opinion be on extra storage? Go for an external or replace the SSD completely?

[untold grove]

hdd probably

[brisk dome]

I wouldn't do external, but you could get a 2.5in SATA SSD

[untold grove]

those r cringe

just get a nice big hdd and ur set

[brisk dome]

Don't buy an hhd, and no, sata ssds aren't "cringe"

[untold grove]

i know more than you lol

hush