storage-devices

[sand onyx]

I put a WD Blue 1TB SSD in a build I recently did and not surprisingly it wasn't as fast as the 970 Pro 1TB from Samsung.

[noble atlas]

it also probably wasn't horrifically overpriced

[kind steppe]

don't buy samsung evo nvme if ur doing ryzen

buy a pci-e 4.0 ssd from aurus or sabrent

[topaz prism]

why pcie 4? isnt that kinda overkill?

[kind steppe]

@topaz prism not rlly

cheapest 1 tb pci-e 4.0 starts at 150$ ish

[heady raven]

@topaz prism it depends on budget

[kind steppe]

cheaper than 970 evo 1 tb

[heady raven]

and how you think the market will evolve

[kind steppe]

I mean- instead of a 970 evo on an amd system, get a pci-e 4.0 ssd because it has higher speeds... for the price, pci-e 4.0 wins

[heady raven]

depends on the pci-4 ssd model

as always, its not as simple as "just" looking at a single spec "point" and declaring "best!"

[kind steppe]

ofc it needs tlc over qlc, that's the main thing

but ur right

but most tlc pci-e 4.0 ssds will be faster than a 970 evo

WITH a cache

[heady raven]

more importantly than all of that

the controller and what features are being actively used on a specific model is what matters

because that generally tells you about the rest.

[kind steppe]

true true

[drifting coral]

for the aorus pcie 4 ssd is there a difference between the gold and black coloured ones?

[kind steppe]

@drifting coral send the links?

I think one is TLC, other is QLC

but lemme see

[drifting coral]

what do those terms mean?

[kind steppe]

memory components

and I think the controller is different too

I mean

[drifting coral]

https://www.newegg.com/global/sg-en/Product/Productcompare?CompareItemList=20-009-014%2C20-009-017

[kind steppe]

@drifting coral one has a heatsink, other doesn't

the gold thing is a big heatsink

but those are 500 gb?

[drifting coral]

it says both have heatsinks according to newegg

yeah 500gb

[kind steppe]

i'm talking about getting a 1 tb 4.0 over a 1 tb samsung evo. instead of getting a 500 gb 4.0, get a normal 1 tb nvme 3.0

this is the ideal pci-e 4.0 ssd- https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-1tb/p/1Z4-00H3-00016?Item=9SIAME8AP27964

it's 160$ rn

20% off

[drifting coral]

ahh

my question wasnt really in response to your question

but it was kinda related

[kind steppe]

don't buy pci-e 4.0 unless ur getting 1 tb lol

it's not worth it at that point

[drifting coral]

cause

the samsung 970 500gb is about the same price as the 500gb aorus

in my country

[kind steppe]

oh

well don't do either -_-

get a 1 tb normal ssd

[drifting coral]

isnt it quite a waste of money though

unless you want to boot everything at max speed

[heady raven]

@drifting coral https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fsqhP6/team-mp34-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4512g0c101 <- our standard recommendation for 500gig m.2 drives

[gloomy fern]

I have a main SSD with all my stuff and a secondary HDD for extra storage. I recently got a new motherboard and for some reason I can only have the SSD in for my pc to display anything. I can't even get to BIOS unless the HDD is unplugged, any help with this?

[drifting coral]

@heady raven what about the blue WD instead since the price is the same for 500gb

[heady raven]

blue is bad

compared to the other one :)

[drifting coral]

oo

cause the brand is really rare in singapore

and risky to buy off some shady retailer online

[heady raven]

how about the sn750 instead?

[drifting coral]

that was my first option but my brother mentioned that WD wasnt as reliable and stable as samsung

so he advised me to pay a bit extra for it

what if i go up to 1tb? would i have better options?

[heady raven]

the sn750 is plenty reliable

nah, the size does not change the controller (at those sizes)

[drifting coral]

ahh

are the pcie 4 ssds worth it since im already getting a b550 mobo

[heady raven]

not really

at least not unless you want to pay a good deal more

i imagine that budget matters at least some to you?

[drifting coral]

yeah for sure

[heady raven]

then for now, forget about the 4.0 drives :)

yes, the can post high benchmark numbers. But that is just about all they are good for on the consumer side of things

(right now)

[drifting coral]

are adata or crucial ssds good

or are they just cheaper options

cause i see them alot on local pc building sites

[heady raven]

cheaper

but its all a trade off really

[minor sun]

@drifting coral depends on the exact model

[hollow loom]

For sata cables can I use multiple devices on one cable?

[heady raven]

@hollow loom no

[hollow loom]

Oh

[heady raven]

unless you are asking about the power cable @hollow loom ?

[hollow loom]

Yea the power cable

[heady raven]

because that is the only SATA related cable that has multiple plugs

power cable you can ofc use multiple:)

[hollow loom]

Because it has multiple heads

So i was confused

[left tendon]

Question. I have a MX300 750gb as my OS drive and a 2 TB XPG SX8200 NVME as my secondary/gaming drive. Is there a significant benefit if I buy a Samsung 970 for my OS?

I know, I know I'm not using NVME for my OS and I could be.

I guess the question is NVME + SATA or NVME only?

[heady raven]

the only benefit i can see is that you confirm that you make weird choices

[left tendon]

That's... helpful?

The MX300 is like 5 years old

[heady raven]

yes

and it was not fast when it was launched

[left tendon]

Yes, but it was cheap.

[heady raven]

does not make it good or fast

and yes, there will be "some" benefit from a modern ssd. and a nvme one at that.

if you notice it or not?

only you can tell us that

[left tendon]

Fair enough. I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth upgrading it or just swapping my OS drive.

[heady raven]

IF you have actual partitions on your drives. doing a os reinstall should not take long at all

and i am guessing its been a while since you did one?

[left tendon]

Indeed

[noble atlas]

Don't buy Samsung ssd. Not worth the price

Just about everything else is a better value

[latent barn]

Silicon Power A80

[minor sun]

nah

Team MP34

for the sweet Phison E12

[latent barn]

A80 better write and read speeds

[torpid adder]

WD Green

[minor sun]

worse controller tho

[latent barn]

What about mp510

@minor sun

[minor sun]

I have a mp510 smh

[heady raven]

so, unless you want to obtain an obsessive need to help other people, dont get that ssd

[loud estuary]

lol

I got that from buying a 970+ instead of a MP34

[heady raven]

nah, you already had the "dont research things" bug before then

as the purchase of that drive shows :P

[loud estuary]

That and me getting an i9-9900k right before new CPUs come out when I have multi-core workloads lol
and getting firecudas

[heady raven]

:)

[loud estuary]

and a 2080ti

The list goes on

Buy hey, my sister will get a well thought and timed build

[heady raven]

:)

live and learn etc etc

[loud estuary]

my wallet doesn't thank me, but yeah

[dawn cypress]

Hello, I need some product performance matching help. Is that something anyone can help me with?

[loud estuary]

Sure. Which products? @dawn cypress

[latent barn]

Sn750 and mp34

can u do that @loud estuary

I should get sn750 either way right

[agile pawn]

How does a intel optane drive work so if I bought one would I still need a m.2

[heady raven]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000024018/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory.html

[subtle mountain]

@noble atlas The retail prices of the SSD vs the NVME have dropped considerably, that being said Samsung Magician is superior to almost every freeware available.

Recently I've purchased Seagate and Team Group ssd"s due cost savings, but the original Samsung is still very much in service. In fact I cleared the drive and cloned a nephew's hd over to it after giving it to him...

[woeful solar]

Lol it's still overpriced for it's performance though

If you can afford it and don't mind paying that much it's fine

[loud estuary]

I should get sn750 either way right
@latent barn whichever is cheaper

They are very similar in performance and both good drives, so it comes down to which is on a better sale. Usually mp34

[cosmic pier]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/G9XYcf/crucial-p2-500-gb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p2ssd8 is this a good nvme drive i dont want to pay extra for a samsung drive and i need a new nvme drive for my laptop

[upper quiver]

no

[left tendon]

https://www.amazon.com/XPG-SX8200-Gen3x4-3000MB-ASX8200PNP-1TT-C/dp/B07K1HMMJC/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=sx8200&qid=1603716890&s=electronics&sr=1-1&th=1

[upper quiver]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07K1HMMJC

[left tendon]

With 6 dollar coupon

[upper quiver]

here

[left tendon]

Oh hilarious we picked the same drive

[upper quiver]

i see we are on the same page lmao

dude, every other go to drive is oos

[cosmic pier]

well thanks this is helpful

[upper quiver]

what is happening

oh

nvm pcpp just dum rn

https://www.amazon.com/TEAMGROUP-MP34-512GB-Solid-TM8FP4512G0C101/dp/B07PHMJR4Y

theres also this one

but the 8200 pro is actually better

[left tendon]

I have the 2tb 8200 and it's pretty good

Not as fast as Samsung, but significantly cheaper

[upper quiver]

you say that, but tomshardware shows the 8200pro as the same or better than the 970 pro

except for sequential and sustained writes are worse on the 8200

[left tendon]

Samsung has a better cache and performs better with small workloads.

[upper quiver]

wait i misread the chart

[left tendon]

But overall, there's basically no difference

Not one you'll notice anyway

[high rover]

I just got the Toshiba MG08 16TB 16000GB SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5inch, and it does not show up in File Explorer or BIOS. Toshiba says there is no driver, just use your recovery disc to scrap you entire system to factory new, and start over. That smacks of stupidity, any idea how to get it to show up so that I can use it?

[heady raven]

did you actually plug in both cables?

[torpid adder]

Really high capacity drives give me anxiety

[high rover]

No cables, it's a workstation with slide in drive trays that plug in everything once you slide them all the way in and flip the lock to set them.

[calm blaze]

i know it's more likely w/ WD white drives, but is it possible it's the 3.3V Pin Issue on that Toshiba?

[heady raven]

we dont know.

because we dont know what backplane his case is using

[high rover]

I'm not familiar with that issue, but as this is an Enterprise drive, I would hope that they looked into all of the known issues before releasing it.

[heady raven]

and the 3.3v issue you are talking about @calm blaze should be exclusive to shucked white labels

[high rover]

I using a Precision Tower 7910 workstation for Architectural Design.

[calm blaze]

i wasn't sure @heady raven i just know it did happen w/ my shucked white labels, and it sounds the same

[high rover]

And it's happy hour, pardon the typos.

[heady raven]

@high rover have a look at the Dell documentation. that is where the answer would be

[high rover]

I thought of that, but it turns out that Dell has some of the poorest documentation on the planet.

[heady raven]

yes, but they have a support number

and generally, their staff is okay to talk with

[high rover]

It wouldn't hurt to try again, although I'm not sure the kind folks in India who are reading from a script would have anything to add about one of the largest most recent drives, but I'll give it a shot tomorrow, thanks.

[heady raven]

i have had a decent amount of luck with it over the years

on multiple continents too :)

and you are welcome, best of luck, i hope you wont need it

[high rover]

I am going to bail out at this point, thanks to all for your input, I think that this is simply a bad drive and it will be going back today. Had a great laugh from Toshiba about 45 minutes ago: "We do not have any information how setup internal drive to computer use as storage drive . If you use as storage drive it will be using copy and paste files to drive ." They completely ignored that it cannot be seen by the computer. I am still chuckling over that - who would install a drive to store things on??? Thanks again, and stay safe. Herb.

[heady raven]

@high rover best of luck :)

[warm bough]

Thanks.

[heady raven]

just to verify @warm bough

the drives you have, do they have to stay in enclosures?

[swift drum]

So I purchased an intel 665p NVME ssd to replace my current m.2 ssd from WD Blue and want to use the nvme as my boot drive. Will switching their positions in the m.2 slots matter? Like the WD blue is in the top m.2 slot and the Intel one is in the bottom one. Once I clone the WD blue ssd to my intel can I just switch the position of the drives or will I have to go to the bios and change the boot drive?

[heady raven]

well, the system will be slightly confused if you dont force the intel drive as the boot

because both will be viable boot drives (when you have cloned them)

@swift drum

sidenote: what are you using to clone them?

[trail stump]

Sata 3 or nvme

[swift drum]

I'm going from this

to the intel 665p nvme

As for cloning, I'm not sure, I was recommended Macrium Reflect for cloning one drive to another.

[heady raven]

aye, i was going to suggest that

it works just fine for it

and its free :)

take note of the following: you will be cloning the full drive

not just one of X partitions :)

(some people make that mistake)

[swift drum]

Essentially, I want to move everything from the Blue to the Intel then switch their positions in the m.2 slots with the intel drive where the current boot drive is and vice versa.

[heady raven]

aye

as mentioned

should not be a problem

but you will have to tell the bios that the Intel drive is the boot drive

because both drives WILL be viable to boot from

[swift drum]

Will I be able to access the bios if I switch the drives' positions on the motherboard itself?

[heady raven]

aye aye

bios does not care what drives you have

[swift drum]

Awesome. Thank you so much. As for cloning the drives, will it be safe to wipe the old drive once I have changed boot drives?

[heady raven]

i would strongly suggest that after you clone it, you do the following

check you can boot from the intel drive

then pull out the WD drive

check again you can boot

then go for a day with just the intel drive

(and yes, i know, this is annoying)

trust me, its more annoying if something goes wrong :)

[swift drum]

Also, in the description of these nvme drives, what does it mean when the description says "NVMe drive not compatible with SATA interface" will this affect using a sata m.2 drive as a secondary drive with an nvme boot drive at all?

[heady raven]

no

[swift drum]

Cause I also have a regular HDD as a mass storage drive with no problems with the current ssd

[heady raven]

its related to the physical port you plug them into

notice the "keys" on the connector?

keys = notches

[swift drum]

But the NVME drive will go into the same m.2 slot, yes?

[heady raven]

aye aye

IF your mainboard supports NVME drives it will

[swift drum]

Good cause when I saw the different notches in the current drive and the new one I bought I was worried. I have he MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC and it says its compatible.

[heady raven]

nothing to worry about then :)

you know how to make the usb clone stick?

[swift drum]

No whats that? Isn't cloning the drive done through the Macrium Reflect software?

Or the Windows 10 install?

[heady raven]

consider this

how would you clone windows from inside of windows?

basically: how you do it is this:

Install Macrium reflect (the free version) on your windows machine

then run it

and select the "create rescue media" option you see there

it will require you to have a usb stick that can be formatted (meaning, if you have anything of importance on it. move it somewhere else)

[swift drum]

Okay so when I clone my boot drive to a new ssd, make sure I have an empty usb storage drive connected as well, yes?

[heady raven]

no

you need the usb stick to MAKE the Rescue Media with

which is what you will be using to clone the drive FROM

[swift drum]

So I would connect my usb thumb drive to my computer. Open the program and create rescue media. What the next step?

[heady raven]

restart machine and boot from that usb stick

install the drives before you boot from the usb stick (if they are not installed already)

[swift drum]

Would the usb stick be empty during this time or should I have the windows 10 disk image (ISO) files on my usb thumbnail to boot with.

[heady raven]

neither

lets start from the beginning

currently you have a machine that has 2 ssd's installed ?

[swift drum]

Sorry, I'm pretty slow with this kind of stuff.

[heady raven]

nothing to be sorry about

[swift drum]

Yes, I have my current ssd boot drive installed and put in my new drive in the next m.2 slot. I have started the computer and just named the file in the "This PC" area so the new drive is completely blank.

I have my empty thumb drive in the usb slot now.

[heady raven]

okay

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

click and scroll down to the blue "home use" button

IGNORE the request for your email

just press continue in the box that pops up

[swift drum]

ok

[heady raven]

done the above?

[swift drum]

IT's asking me to download it. Any particular location or does it not matter.

[heady raven]

does not matter

[swift drum]

okay, it's installed.

should I open it?

open up the program I mean

[heady raven]

yes please

[swift drum]

alright it's open now.

[heady raven]

click "other tasks" in the top menu

and select the "create rescue media" option

[swift drum]

I should have my usb in before I create the rescue media right and it should be empty as well? I want to be sure before I create the rescue media.

[heady raven]

correct

dont worry, it will pop-up a window that guides you

[swift drum]

okay give me a minute, I'm moving my usb files to my hdd (not being cloned or anything done to it at all for this)

might take a few minutes.

[heady raven]

aye aye :)

[swift drum]

just a side note while I'm waiting. If I were to do a fresh install of windows onto a boot drive, would that affect the stuff in my secondary hdd? Not that I'm doing that or anything, just wondering.

[heady raven]

no, it would not have any cascade effect (normally)

[swift drum]

Ok, so I'm on the rescue media ppart and it gives me three options, Window Boot menu, Removable usb flash drive, and iso file. Which should I choose?

[heady raven]

usb

[swift drum]

then build?

[heady raven]

aye

[swift drum]

okay it says I built the rescue media. Now what?

I'm on the backup tab with the drives and their partitions.

[heady raven]

restart the machine

keep the usb stick in

you have done all you need to do in windows

[swift drum]

Well I have to go soon but I

Work and what not, once I boot it that's when I clone the drives? I'm not going to do it right now but later.

[heady raven]

yes, that is where you clone the drives

depending on things, there is decent chance i will be back up again when you get back

since its 01:30 at night here right now

so i am turning in shortly

[swift drum]

Okay, I'll come back on when I'm ready to clone the drives, I probably won't be back for a few days to do this since I have some things I need to do with stuff on the drive before I clone them. I'll talk to you here when I'm ready to move to the next part. Thanks again for your time.

[heady raven]

you are very welcome @swift drum :)

[trail stump]

how do i add a ssd onto a system with a hard drive

[heady raven]

open the case and connect it

[winter swift]

lol

[quartz plaza]

can someone help me with transferring an OS from an HDD to an SSD

but just the OS and nothing else

so I can use the SSD as a boot drive

i'm trying to add a 500gb ssd into my laptop that has a 1tb hdd

[heady raven]

@quartz plaza the simplest way is to do a clean install on the ssd

a different way is to clone it all and then uninstall things

[quartz plaza]

So do I just deactivate my windows on my HDD and reinstall on my SSD?

[heady raven]

depends on your license

[quartz plaza]

i have a digital license connected to microsoft

or whatever it is

[heady raven]

that should work just fine

[quartz plaza]

Ok thanks

[heady raven]

you are very welcome

for ease of transition. i highly recommend that you unplug the other drives while you do the windows install

that way you wont run into any weird corner cases @quartz plaza

[quartz plaza]

So deactivate windows on my HDD then unplug it, then download windows on the SSD?

[light echo]

im having some problems installing a hdd could someone help me out please

[robust talon]

what problems exactly

[light echo]

i plugged it in and its not saying create new volume it looks like it was already installed on this pc but its not showing available to store things on it

if you want i can screen share my screen with you and see if you can figure it out

[heady raven]

@light echo i am bit busy right now, but give me about 30 minutes and i should be clear to help

[light echo]

alright thanks man appreciate it

[heady raven]

@light echo alrighty, you still around?

[light echo]

yeah ill pm you right now

[heady raven]

oki doki :)

[heady raven]

above problem has been sorted.

[quick cradle]

The SX8200 Pro is 250 for the 2 TB version and the 970 Evo Plus is 290 for the 2 TB version

which one do i get? the 8200 has a 3200MB/s read and a 1700 MB/s write while the evo plus has a 3500MB/s read and a 3300 MB/s write

[minor sun]

sx8200 pro

@quick cradle the sx8200 pro has 3500/3000, so you're either looking at the wrong drive, or looking at the wrong numbers.

[quick cradle]

oh

then ill go with sx8200 pro then

ty

[light hamlet]

Just trying to clarify my understanding of NVMe, it needs support on the motherboard even if it's a PCIE card, either that or some kind of adapter? I have an older motherboard (asus maximus hero VI) and am looking into getting an SSD, and it looks like NVMe is not an option without an adapter of some kind, correct?

[heady raven]

not quite

nvme is generally a feature of m.2 based drives

so the m.2 port is the normal gate for accessing it.

you can however get a PCI-e card that has 1-4 m.2 ports on it.

and yes, your board does NOT have m.2 ports

@light hamlet does that answer it for you?

[light hamlet]

Yeah, that what I thought but wasn't perfectly clear. Thanks!

oh wait..

[heady raven]

hm?

[light hamlet]

But looking on newegg I see all sorts of NVMe drives that are PCIE

Not M.2?

[heady raven]

yes, because both are a thing

and to make it even more confusing

nvme m.2 IS pci-e in the transfer protocol

(reason for edit: m.2 can also do other protocols)

that is how a nvme m.2 drive looks

that is an example of the adapter i talked about

[light hamlet]

Ok, I think that clears it up. SATA SSD for me then haha

[heady raven]

there are also variants where the 2 come combined

but those are generally NOT a very good deal

and yes, for your particular board, a solid sata SSD is absolutely the easiest path :)

[light hamlet]

I'm not particularly interested in SUPER PERFORMANCE, just better than Ye Olde Spinning Disk I have now, just easier to install in PCIE slot than sata ports and a cable. SO LAZY. 😄

Thanks for the help.

[heady raven]

:)

you are very welcome :)

best of luck with the upgrade

[light hamlet]

thx

[runic urchin]

Hey so I’m trying build my first ever pc. I’m just going to be doing mostly single player gaming. How much storage do you guys think is good? Also I know ssd is faster but how should I split the storage? Like should I get a bigger ssd or hdd?

[lilac patrol]

I have a 2tb hdd and 512 nvme ssd and I have all my games on my hdd using about 1.3 tb and I have system files plus pics and videos using about 150gb. I think that is a fair setup

[shut furnace]

For a boot drive id get at least 256 or 512gb ssd, mp34 sx8200 pro and sn750 were good prices last i checked, whether to get a hdd or not Is up to you. if you will be downloading large games like cod maybe secondary hdd for storage. Nowadays i only use hdd for games and long term storage of pics and stuff

[kind steppe]

I would get a 1 tb nvme drive, and buy a 2 tb hard drive for 50$ in the future if needed @runic urchin

1 tb nvme drive costs 100-110$ from adata or sabrent

[turbid pier]

A single 2tb hdd lasted me like 2 or 3 years before needing to delete anything

[hollow blade]

I've seen pci-e ssd and just like a hard drive ssd, which one is the better choice?

[iron jolt]

pcie fast

[minor sun]

@hollow blade to start off, what are you looking to do with it?

[iron jolt]

like a boot drive or for games?

[hollow blade]

overall j general storage. I started out with an sshd so it boots up on that. I'm just looking to expand my storage and was looking into those. Is SSD even worth it or should I just stick with HDD since my boot drive is already on ssd?

I can't play games on it rn cause the graphics card is toast but would be once i get that resolved

[minor sun]

Well, I'd still reccomend another SSD, but what budget for how much storage?

[hollow blade]

IDK i can save up for it. But i was just wondering if it would be worth it to get a little ssd or a lot of hdd

[minor sun]

Why not in-between, a good amount of SSD?

What motherboard do you have?

[hollow blade]

an msi motherboard

[minor sun]

What exactly?

Just want to make sure if it has a m.2 slot or not

[hollow blade]

Z390-a pro LGA1151. What is the m.2 slot?

[minor sun]

Yea it's got one then

It fits SSDs like this one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PHQ6Q1D

The first slot is usually between the CPU socket and the GPU

[hollow blade]

Ya, I looked up the mobo and I can see which slot it is.

So is SSD worth it if I already have the boot device on sshd?

[minor sun]

I'd suggest swapping the OS over, but SSD is still really nice for a responsive system in terms of program load times and file moving times @hollow blade

[hollow blade]

Alrighty thnx. How much is a reasonable amount to get?

[minor sun]

Well, depends on what you want on it :)

For perspective, a popular setup for people is 512gb NVMe SSD for boot drive and frequent programs/games, and 2tb HDD for mass storage.

[hollow blade]

Thnx Im trying to figure out what the ratio between ssd and hdd should be

[minor sun]

I currently have 1tb NVMe SSD and 2tb hdd

[hollow blade]

Coolio thanks for ur help. Got ny suggestions for good ssd? Also should I use hard drive ssd or the m.2 slot

[minor sun]

I assume you're talking about 2.5in SSDs vs M.2 SSDs?

[hollow blade]

ya sorry. The ones that go in the back of the pc behind the mobo.

[minor sun]

Main difference is one is chonky when the other is basically just a stick. And another difference is that M.2 drives can be either SATA or NVMe, and 2.5in drives only SATA. SATA SSDs can usually do ~500mb/s read write, while PCIe 3.0 NVMe drives can do ~3000mb/s read write depending on the drive.

[hollow blade]

so I should go with the PCIe. Is there a significant price difference?

[minor sun]

Lemme clarify real quick

While there's a pretty big speed increase, the real-world performance difference in say loading up a program is quite small, but it is extremely apparent when you're moving large files around, or loading large files, or anything similar to that.

Price difference depends on the drive. What capacity are you looking for? Nowadays NVMe and SATA SSD price wise can get fairly close.

[hollow blade]

prob going to got with 512 gb. Thnx for helping me. Sorry Im pretty new to this

[minor sun]

512gb is a really interesting case actually

The Crucial P1 500gb NVMe drive is actually cheaper than good SATA SSDs

I'll pull up a link rq

But last I checked, P1 500gb was 55$, when good sata 500gb drives are around 60$

Here
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-p1-500gb/p/N82E16820156200

10% off with a promo code

[hollow blade]

Thanks!

[minor sun]

:)

[patent zealot]

honestly though i just throw all my games onto a hdd I use about 1tb and i have a 2tb hdd

and i have a 256gb nvme sdd for boot and other apps

[sand onyx]

970 Pro best PCie 3.0 drive.

[lean kite]

what about 980 pro

[noble atlas]

don't pay the samsung tax

[shut furnace]

ye sabrent is reputable

sn750 and sx8200pro are also good picks atm

sure, but generally also model > brand, you can take a look at specs here if you haven't already https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UewkGqEnq3Zp9jJgV9zDH05W8x8RIuFebobOtURysWA/edit#gid=0

nice drive, a little expensive. also might not make sense if you don't have a pcie 4.0 mobo, if your mobo pcie 3.0 sn750 makes a nice boot drive

[topaz prism]

About to install an M.2 SSD into its slot but i'm having some trouble and i'm alittle worried of doing it correctly

does it take any pressure to get it into the slot so it sits like a diving board?

I feel like im not pushing mine in far enough in it's socket but i dont wanna push it

[short lodge]

just until its at a 90 degree angle

takes pressure, but not a lot

@topaz prism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCIqZjo34rw

[topaz prism]

hmmm i'm just nervous about getting it in

plus i have large hands and i feel like i dont have much space to wiggle it in by the CPU cooler

got it in now 👍

[short lodge]

good stuff

[topaz prism]

yeah just needed a tiny bit more pressure and wiggle

[swift drum]

Hey @heady raven I just installed my new ssd and now I'm ready to move my files from my old boot drive to this new one. Mind if you help me with the process of cloning and changing boot drives?

[heady raven]

@swift drum got a usb stick?

[swift drum]

yeah so im at the point I have my new ssd formated and set up, my have my usb stick that I did the rescue media in.

I have not cloned or done anything with the other storage drives yet. The new one is empty and formated while my current boot drive is as it normally is.

[heady raven]

when you say rescue media, what are you talking about?

[swift drum]

Remember you said to create a rescue media with the usb stick before doing any cloning.

[heady raven]

so, the macrium reflect rescue media :)

[swift drum]

Yup

[heady raven]

(i ask, because there are multiple pieces of software that has "rescue media")

[swift drum]

Yup So now I guess im ready to move everything to the new drive and set it up as my boot drive.

[heady raven]

aye

[swift drum]

but not sure how to go about it since this is my first time.

[heady raven]

just verifying something before you do that:)

your old drive is how big?

and how big is the new ssd?

[swift drum]

my old drive is 500 gb but I only have maybe 300 gb in use while my new nvme ssd is 1 tb or 953 gb

[heady raven]

perfect :)

and there are no other drives in the machine right?

[swift drum]

currently my hdd is still plugged in

[heady raven]

the HDD which is 500gb right?

[swift drum]

So i have three drives in my pc. The WD Blue 500 gb sata ssd in m.2 size format (Current Boot Drive), a seagate 2tb hhd, and a new intel 665p 1tb nvme ssd in m.2 size format (New Boot drive).

[heady raven]

okay :)

did you do the windows install yourself?

[swift drum]

Yeah onto the 500gb wd blue ssd when I first built it last year. Did the whole "windows on usb stick" method.

[heady raven]

okay, so you know how to boot from a usb stick then

that is basically what you are doing with the rescue media stick

[swift drum]

So the rescue media stick has the windows files on it for a new install?

[heady raven]

no

it is the software that can clone the drives

[swift drum]

So should I download the windows files onto the usb stick?

[heady raven]

but you need to boot from it (the software that can clone)

no no

[swift drum]

So what's the process of cloning my files onto the new ssd and making it my new boot drive with windows 10?

[heady raven]

You, currently, have a usb stick that has the rescue media files on it correct?

[swift drum]

Yes, nothing else on it except the files that went onto it from the rescue media process from macrium reflect.

[heady raven]

good

those files, are a mini version of windows. With the special version of Macrium Reflect installed on to it.

This means the following:

IF you start (boot) your system from that usb stick. You will be launching into that special version of windows (from the usb stick) which will then launch the Macrium Reflect (from the usb stick). Which is what allows you to clone to drives

(all of the above is done for this reason: You cannot clone system files that are currently in use)

[swift drum]

So if I restart my computer and go to my bios (MSI) then go boot from usb yes?

[heady raven]

yes

so, the next question becomes: Do you have discord on your phone?

or do you have a seperate machine?

[swift drum]

ok, I'll do that. Gonna chat from my phone.

[heady raven]

aye aye

[swift drum]

gonna restart now.

[heady raven]

:)

[swift drum]

Ok I'm in my bios

Now my problem is I'm not sure which drive is the usb stick o boot from.

[heady raven]

the boot selector should have it listed with a "usb" label

[swift drum]

One says UEFI Usb hard Disk: UEFI hp v221w 1100, partition 1 and another is just usb hard disk: hp v221w 1100, other options are usb key, usb floppy, usb cd/dvd, UEFI Usb key etc

Not sure which to choose

[heady raven]

its the "usb key" ones

just keep trying until you get it to boot

[heady raven]

usb key

[swift drum]

So how do I do it, just click the usb key and exit?

[heady raven]

aye

remember to save your settings

[swift drum]

How exactly does it know to boot to usb key? When I clicked on usb key then moved to save/exit I end up here

I don't see usb key at all?

[heady raven]

you are asking about two different screens and the context they work with

:)

the second one is a "boot override"

the first one is a "boot order" list

what model is that usb key ?

[swift drum]

Sorry, how do I assure the boot comes from the usb key? Do I change the order?

Hp

[heady raven]

you technically already did in the previous picture.

however

in the last picture (the boot override one)

[swift drum]

So I guess hp v221w 1100 is it in the boot override

[heady raven]

you can just press enter while you have the hp v221w drive selected

[swift drum]

Ok it's now booting from that. I think

Ok so im in it's loading macrium reflect 7

[heady raven]

good :)

[swift drum]

Ok in now seeing this

[heady raven]

select the "backup" tab in the upper left

[swift drum]

Ok I see my drives now

[heady raven]

select GPT Disk 2

(it gets a blue border like GPT Disk 1 has now)

and the "clone this disk" should move below it

[swift drum]

Should I uncheck got disk 1 or leave it checked. I see the blue square around disk 2

[heady raven]

has "clone this disk" moved beneath "Disk 2"?

[swift drum]

Yeah but what does the check mark box beneath the disk icon mean?

[heady raven]

something you can ignore for now

[swift drum]

Ok

[heady raven]

click on "clone this disk"

[swift drum]

Ok

Do I do this for each partition like 1 -recovery (None), 2 -(No Name (None) and 3 - (C:)? They seem to be each selectable within the larger got disk 2

[heady raven]

picture :)

[heady raven]

i need the pictures to make certain you are where i expect you to be

[heady raven]

you did not click on what i told you to

we try again:

click on "clone this disk"

[swift drum]

Sorry I didn't clone the disk yet

I was just curious if clone disk will clone everything or just the selected partition.

[heady raven]

we will get there

please just click the button i ask you to :)

and then send me a picture :)

[swift drum]

Ok click clone the disk

[heady raven]

that one, does what you asked about before

BUT

[swift drum]

Ok sorry

[heady raven]

( nothing to be sorry about )

[swift drum]

So now what?

[heady raven]

in the destination window

click "select a disk to clone to"

you have the option of selecting the Intel drive

[swift drum]

Ok

[heady raven]

click the red X with the label "delete existing partition"

[swift drum]

Ok I clicked it once. Do I do it again?

[heady raven]

yes

[swift drum]

Ok

[heady raven]

thank you :)

press "next"

[swift drum]

Ok now I'm here

[heady raven]

press "Finish"

[swift drum]

Do I continue?

[heady raven]

check the "all target volume ..." check box

[swift drum]

Ok

[heady raven]

and then press Continue

[swift drum]

Ok

Now it's cloning I guess

[heady raven]

aye

it should not take all that long

here is what you are going to do (when it is done)

[swift drum]

Ok

[heady raven]

power down the machine

pull out the usb stick (HP model)

power on machine

go into bios

in the "Boot Order" settings, you are going to set the Intel drive as the 1st option

then, save changes and exit from bios

and that should in theory be it

[swift drum]

Ok I'll do that. It's still cloning.

[heady raven]

aye aye

it has to clone (copy all the data after all) so it will take a bit :)

[swift drum]

Alright. Does it matter which m.2 slot it's in on the mother board or are both equal?

Just curious.

[heady raven]

normally they are very close to equal

[swift drum]

Would having both m.2 slots filled impact performance? Again is just sata in m.2 size while the new boot drive is nvme.

[heady raven]

normally no

[swift drum]

So any programs on my old drive that got cloned should work like normal right?

[heady raven]

aye

the programs should not notice anything different

that is the benefit of the clone

now, i am going out to shop for dinner (before the shops close here), so you are on your own for a bit

[swift drum]

Okay.

I'll let you know how it goes ☺️

[heady raven]

okay :)

i will check in via phone once in a while (while shopping, but any long responses will have to wait until i get back)

[swift drum]

No problem I'm in no rush

[heady raven]

How is the clone progressing?

[tall jay]

can anyone help me polkease? I keep running into the "Your device ran into a problem and needs to redstart" screen

[minor sun]

Blue screen of death eh?

@tall jay start off trying the 2nd pinned message in #windows-ios if you can.

[swift drum]

@heady raven aed Ok so I'm having trouble with determining which is the Intel drive so I can have it boot to that. It does appear in my boot over drive but not boot order.

Actually I found the issue I think

Okay, so I set it up for booting from the Intel drive, but now I see this. It doesn't have the accurate size of my drives.

[heady raven]

You didnt mention anything about keeping the partitions the same size☺

[swift drum]

Sorry. How do I merge the unallocated space into the new c drive?

I saw on some sites I would extend the c drive volume but I'm not sure.

[heady raven]

Right click the c drive in disk management

And choose extend

[swift drum]

ok

[tall jay]

@minor sun uh i hasve a file on there i need. is there anyway i can get that onto my usb?

[minor sun]

hm?

the sfc/scannow doesn't do anything to your data

[tall jay]

oh

how do i get to cmd?

[minor sun]

search bar

type cmd

right click run as administrator

[tall jay]

it wont boot

[swift drum]

Now do allocate the max it shows?

[minor sun]

wait

[minor sun]

then how are you getting BSODs when it doesn't boot

[tall jay]

what is a bsod

[minor sun]

blue screen of death

the "your device has ran into a problem" screen

[tall jay]

oh thats when it does boot

[heady raven]

@swift drum yes

[swift drum]

okay got it now.

[tall jay]

after it restarts itseklf, it says "Alert! Hard drive not found" and some more info on how to get to bios

[minor sun]

oh fun

[swift drum]

So what about the old ssd drive? Can I wipe it and start fresh as a storage drive since I have all my files onto the new boot drive?

[heady raven]

Not yet

[tall jay]

its a refurbished dell optiplex that i use for mc servers

[heady raven]

Need to veify that everything actually works

[swift drum]

Should I wait in case something comes up? I know sometimes there's issues.

[heady raven]

Aye

[minor sun]

hm

[swift drum]

How can I verify everything's fine? Just have it run like this for a few days of normal use?

[heady raven]

The simple way of verifying is to pull out the old drive

[swift drum]

so shut down, pull out old drive and boot?

[heady raven]

Basically yes

[swift drum]

anything else I need to do?

[heady raven]

If that works. Then you are as good as you can be

[swift drum]

then I can plug the old drive back in?

[heady raven]

(From a consumer pov that is)

[swift drum]

What else should I do?

[heady raven]

Nothing in regards to verifying

[tall jay]

do you have any ideas?

[swift drum]

Okay. Will my old drive show up automatically when I reinstall it or will I have to partition it and give it a new disk drive name?

[heady raven]

After that is done, you can boot from the intel drive and just delete the partitions on the 500gb drive

[swift drum]

okay.

[heady raven]

After doing that

You make a single partition for that drive

[swift drum]

Alright, sounds good I'll do that

[heady raven]

Back home in 15min,

[swift drum]

cool, I'll probably take it out next week and verify. I'm gonna have it run like this in the meantime to see how it goes before I take out the old drive and do what you said.

[heady raven]

Aye, no problem doing it that way

the "take out drive" suggestion is just a "if you want to know NOW" suggestion :)

[swift drum]

so how would I wipe my old drive to start fresh anyway?

[heady raven]

Disk management

but i would strongly recommend that you have someone verify you are doing the right thing (when it comes time to clean that drive)

[swift drum]

Cool, I'll ask on here when the time comes, I guess.

[heady raven]

i would recommend that :)

and best of luck with things :)

[latent cedar]

@minor sun $117 for mp34 good or is there a cheaper 1tb ssd

[minor sun]

good

[latent cedar]

Alright

[sonic river]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0896SKCDY?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

it looks good

but i'm also sus on the brand

[minor sun]

eek

those speeds

ADATA is good brand tho

just that mode is

ehm

not great, has HMB, not Dram

and slow

tbh, might be time to go back to recommending Silicon Power P34A80 again

[small steppe]

Pyra#6643 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sonic river]

oh snap

i didnt even notice that haha

[quiet sparrow]

Is a Samsung 970 evo any better than let’s say a western digital NVME SSD

[torpid adder]

Nah

😎

[latent barn]

sn750

[minor sun]

SN750 > 970evo actually

:P

[late vector]

Is it worth getting the team gx2 1tb 2.5” ssd over the seagate barracuda compute 2tb?

I dont need 2tb of storage

@minor sun

@heady raven

[heady raven]

@late vector you should know by now, if people want to answer they will :)

[late vector]

Ah sry

[heady raven]

your world wont combust by waiting a bit :)

but the answer is this: it depends on what you want/need from your storage. I would personally go for bigger main ssd instead

[late vector]

Bigger?

[heady raven]

yes

you are surely not "just" planning on a gx2 are you?

why not go with a 1tb mp34/sn750

and see how that works out for you

you can always add in more storage later

[late vector]

I am gonna get a sn750 as well

512gb

[heady raven]

just grab a 1tb and go from there

[late vector]

Alright

[minor sun]

@late vector gx2 dramless boi

[late vector]

So which 2.5” ssd do u recommend?

[minor sun]

Team Vulcan is fine

[short lodge]

vulcan best ssd

[noble atlas]

Izzat the one with all the RGB?

[abstract parcel]

Sn550 has been returned and unpurchased

[upper quiver]

[heavy notch]

I got my self a "new" 16 gb hard drive and it's a Conker

[hollow moss]

im getting an extra 8 gb of ram for better preformance, let me tell ya I need it.

[heavy notch]

ya have half my storage @hollow moss i think i heed a new hard drive or meby a new ssd if it works with my pc

[jagged delta]

nie

[zealous bramble]

Sbrent 4TB nvme pcie 3.0, yay or nay?

[latent barn]

Nay

[loud estuary]

Sbrent 4TB nvme pcie 3.0, yay or nay?
@zealous bramble It's a good drive, but $$$. Why'd ya need 4tb of nvme storage?

[zealous bramble]

For reasons

I meant the 2TB

4TB still too expensive at this time

But I will get one eventually when it makes more economic sense

[pallid tusk]

Why don’t you need 4tb?

What’s wrong with needing 4tb

[abstract parcel]

4tb data dump drive sure

4tb nvme i mean thats a flex and i can respect that but a little over the top

[pallid tusk]

I only have 2tb nvme

I’m worried it’s not enough storage

[abstract parcel]

get a dump hdd for files and apps that dont need fast boots

way cheaper

[pallid tusk]

True

16tb :gorbbrain:

[abstract parcel]

i got a 4tb hdd and im getting a 1tb nvme for the fast apps

[pallid tusk]

I’m just gonna use my 2tb nvme till I need more, then I’ll get a big hdd

[zealous bramble]

I plan on using 2TB sparingly

And when it's full buy a 4TB

I don't want spinning rust in my new build

No 5 1/4 floppy, no 3/2, no cd rom, nor burner, no jazz drive, no dvd/blueray, nothing

I bought a blueray player for my current build

[abstract parcel]

didnt get much use?

[zealous bramble]

The only time I used it was for my MS flight simulator X I have on DVD

And now I have it on steam

Soooooooo,,,,,,

[pallid tusk]

What’s a good hdd to get?

[zealous bramble]

My last one was a WD 4TB black

First one was DOA

2nd one works but I find it noisy

[abstract parcel]

i got the wd black 4tb for like 135 after tax on amazon prime day or whatever it was

havent been able to try it though no puter yet luckily i have the return date of january cuz end of year festivities

[pallid tusk]

So what’s like the difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm

And how does cache factor in

[abstract parcel]

Rpm is how fast the plates spin

[pallid tusk]

Higher better? Or what

I have no idea how they work lol

[abstract parcel]

Ye

[pallid tusk]

So what’s a good hdd to get

[zealous bramble]

higher = faster and also more heat

Denser platters also = faster with no additional heat

Shingling = much slower re-write

I can't possibly recommend in good faith a mechanical hard drive at this point

Unless it's just for backup

In which case you may as well order external hard drives when they come on sale

After my last experience with a WD black 4TB I can tell you I find the idea of using mechanical drives revolting at this point

1TB ssd's are so cheap

Save your money and buy 2.5" drives instead

[pallid tusk]

Lol okay. I’ll just stick with my 2tb ssd for now then

[zealous bramble]

Yeah that's what I plan to do

[pallid tusk]

What about when I need more space

[zealous bramble]

I haven't had to "manage HDD space" since I got a job in 2001

[abstract parcel]

mechanical drives are not bad for extra drives and not a boot drive

[zealous bramble]

But I'll do it until 4TB NVME become affordable

I disagree

They are pretty bad

[abstract parcel]

since it doesnt have the OS on it, it runs a lot better

[zealous bramble]

54$ for a 860 EVO 500GB

Seriously

[abstract parcel]

54 dollars 2tb hdd

[zealous bramble]

4x capacity, 15% of the speed

May as well use jazz drives

[abstract parcel]

550MB/s while the 2 tb wd black has a 200mb/s speed

15%

[zealous bramble]

Factor in seek time

[prime bramble]

Ssd is also more reliable

[abstract parcel]

its still enough for files and dump stuff for mass storage

[prime bramble]

Easier to manage with Samsung ssd with magician and storage migration

[abstract parcel]

ive used them for awhile and im only 22 they do the trick sure they arent ssd but they do what is needed

[pallid tusk]

So what happens when my 2tb ssd isn’t enough?

[abstract parcel]

buy another

same as an ssd and hdd

[prime bramble]

Or buy a ton of hdd for raw storage but I wouldn’t do that

[pallid tusk]

Yay $400 more spent

[prime bramble]

Do you have m.3

[zealous bramble]

I'm pretty sure if you fill up a 2TB NVME and use a mechanical HDD to compensate you will regret it

[prime bramble]

I mean .2

[zealous bramble]

You will hate having to access that POS

[pallid tusk]

I have m.2 yeah

[loud estuary]

Save your money and buy 2.5" drives instead
@zealous bramble why 2.5" SSDs?

[zealous bramble]

JBOD @ 4x 500GB cheap SSD

Because they are cheap and won't monopolize m.2 slots

[loud estuary]

Ok, but nvme drives are faster and don't cost much more than 2.5" for a good one

[zealous bramble]

Right, buddy is asking what does he do when his 2TB NVME is full

[abstract parcel]

ah from hdd vs ssd to nvme vs ssd

[zealous bramble]

My first recommendation is to buy a 4TB NVME if the price makes sense

Othewise 2/5in SSD's

[loud estuary]

Ah. If you are really averse to mechanical, you can get a pcle add in card that fits four 2280 m.2s

2 tbs is a lot of space tho

[zealous bramble]

I'm pretty sure by the time his 2TB of NVME space is full using a mechanical hard drive will be painful

[abstract parcel]

thats why you dont do it once its full

[loud estuary]

Eh. Slower copy times, but mechanical is way cheaper for mass storage

[zealous bramble]

I'm taking the leap

[abstract parcel]

that way you can put junk on the hdd and save the storage on the nvme for the important stuff

[zealous bramble]

Leaving the HDD behind

The cost per GB permits it

[loud estuary]

I use SSDs when I can, but for my main rig I have 20tbs of hhd storage

[abstract parcel]

thats your choice but you cant dismiss it for others

[zealous bramble]

Sure

Can also recommend Jazz drives

But I could not do it in good faith

[loud estuary]

I'm not dismissing it. I'm saying it's not an economicly wise decision

[abstract parcel]

no i was saying to not dismiss mechanical drives

[loud estuary]

Oh lol

[zealous bramble]

We're reaching about that period

Where it's a legitimate point of contention

[abstract parcel]

good convo

always down for a good conversation on perspective of tech

[zealous bramble]

Thinks aren't going to get better for mech

[pallid tusk]

So right now I have the 2tb firecuda and that’s it. It’ll fill up fairly eventually (sooner than I think probably), so where should I go from there?

[loud estuary]

You have a ssd boot drive, right?

[zealous bramble]

You have a firecuda 2TB?

You have money for an additional Sabrent 2,4TB

I would gather anyway

[loud estuary]

I would suggest getting barracuda 2tbs as needed

[zealous bramble]

By the time you get to that point the prices will have evolved either way

And it will be more obvious then

[loud estuary]

Not that much

2tb barracuda is like $50

2tb ssd is like $200

[zealous bramble]

Choice is clear for me lol

[pallid tusk]

That point won’t be that far in the future

[loud estuary]

That gap isn't gonna change super fast

[zealous bramble]

It gets cheaper all the time

except at the beginning of covid

[loud estuary]

Like SSDs are getting cheaper but I highly doubt they'll be the same price any time soon

[zealous bramble]

How would you define soon?

[abstract parcel]

@pallid tusk how full is the drive rn

And how long have you had it

[pallid tusk]

It’s unused at the moment cause my pc isn’t ready

[abstract parcel]

Okay so fresh 2tb

[loud estuary]

Idk, I'd doubt that the price difference for the 2tbs will get down to $50 within five years

[abstract parcel]

Night you beat me to it

[zealous bramble]

Sure

[loud estuary]

From $150

[zealous bramble]

But if you had the choice of 2TB for 100$ SSD vs 2TB HDD for 50$ which would you choose?

[abstract parcel]

Well a 2tb nvme is like what 200+ rn

[loud estuary]

Likely the ssd because I have the money. But again, five years :)

[zealous bramble]

In 5 years I think we'll be nearing parity

[loud estuary]

That's also just a guess

[pallid tusk]

The one I have is $350

(I paid less for it, but that’s the listed price)

[loud estuary]

This is all conjecture. If you need storage now, you have your advice. If you need it in five years, come back then :)

[abstract parcel]

^^^

[loud estuary]

I'm going to sleep now. Peace

[abstract parcel]

Night night

[zealous bramble]

My first SSD was 40GB and cost 90$

Later

[pallid tusk]

I’ll most likely need it in half a year

So I’ll come back then

And things probably won’t have changed

[zealous bramble]

Oh I think they will have

The 2TB right now are affordable

I think at that point the 4TB ones will be too

And I think there will be new controllers out to take advantage of PCIE 4.0 better

[pallid tusk]

A year maybe, half a year meh

[zealous bramble]

And all the drives with the old controllers will be priced to sell

Like the current pcie 4.0 controllers

Old news

pcie 3.0 bargain bin prices

128GB SSd's reached 500GB HDD parity in 2016

Right now 250GB SSD are at about that point

I don't think it will take too long

[pallid tusk]

I mean if I’m eating up the 2tb ssd that fast, I’ll want 2tb or 4tb for the other one

[zealous bramble]

Right

[pallid tusk]

So at that point I’ll have to buy the 4tb whether it’s cheap or not lol

[zealous bramble]

What makes a SSD cheap or expensive is the controller and the memory modules on it

Which can be cheaper than a mechanical hard drive

[pallid tusk]

And then I’ll be out of storage room

[zealous bramble]

Which has expensive parts

And is prone to failure more than a SSD

From my understanding at least

An electric motor isn't exactly cheap when compared to a stack of obsoleted memory

So quicker drives can be sold at higher margin

The demand is there and the supply follows

As long as the demand keeps growing and the supply can keep up the price per unit will continue to fall

The best news for consumers is new players getting into the game

There's no new players in HDD

The margins are thin

They only way to really make a value proposition is either with these ridiculously high capacities

Or MTTF

Whiech tend to be mutually exclusive

[pallid tusk]

Your words definitely make sense

But 16tb ssd

[zealous bramble]

Yeah it's going to come

[pallid tusk]

Actually wait

16tb hdd is similarly priced to a 4tb ssd

That’s not bad

And it’ll just get better, yeah

[zealous bramble]

I think they hCatalina-2.

Made in 2018

Is 18TV NVME

[pallid tusk]

“It” getting better being the price of ssd compared to hdd

[zealous bramble]

Oh no

16TB 2.6in

2.5

I guess is depends on your needs

If all you do it play games 2TB is sufficient for now

You can have ~20x the biggest games

Or roughly 100 games mixed

[pallid tusk]

I do more than gaming

[zealous bramble]

So you can uninstall some if you need space

[pallid tusk]

Oof

[zealous bramble]

If you don't want to uninstall you can buy more drives when you reach you last 150GBs of free space

But it's like I said earlier, if you use a SSD as your everything drive, using a mechnical after that will be painful

[pallid tusk]

Yeah makes sense

There’s only 2 m.2 slots though

[zealous bramble]

It's like now that I own muscel cars, I would not want to go back to driving a tercel

Even if it's just for a few trips here and there

Yeah there are

I'm in the same situation you're in

The exact same

[pallid tusk]

I don’t have a car. I ride my bike, or use public transport

[zealous bramble]

I have a 2TB nvme

Not used yet

I have 2 nvme slots

I'm going to use my 2TB for as long as I can

Then get an additional 4TB

For 6 Total

[pallid tusk]

Literally the same lol

[zealous bramble]

When that 4 is full I'll get an 8 if it makes economical sense

But I'm not going back to HDD

[pallid tusk]

Makes sense

[zealous bramble]

2TB is a loooooooooooooooot of space

[pallid tusk]

I mean my old 1tb PS4 got cluttered up fast

[zealous bramble]

Yeah

That's a 1TB mechnical too

So installing and uninstalling is painful

Because it takes a long time

On NVME if you want to uninstall/install ist's fairly quick

If you got good internet that is

[pallid tusk]

I’ve never used nvme before

[zealous bramble]

I have 500mbps internet so for me it won't be a problem

[pallid tusk]

Only mechanical, so I’m excited to see the difference

[zealous bramble]

Your Firecude has speed of over 4000MB/sec

That 32gbps

[pallid tusk]

Cause I certainly paid enough for there to be a big difference lol

[zealous bramble]

If I recall correctly

It has really good IO as well

So shifting tons of data around quickly is not out of the question

[pallid tusk]

Oh good

[zealous bramble]

Ultimately it's up to you

These guys' suggestion is good

To buy a cheap HDD that's super slow

[pallid tusk]

My old pc took ages to move anything or install anything

[zealous bramble]

And can store tons of %&&$ on it

But it's not something I can suggest in a new build

Maybe 3 years ago

But not now, not with these cheap SSD's

[pallid tusk]

Makes sense

[zealous bramble]

Unless you either have 10's of TB of data

Or don't have money for good performance

[pallid tusk]

Idk why but I find hdds aesthetic lol

I shouldn’t get to 10’s of tb of data soon

[zealous bramble]

Depends on what you do

I'm of the opinion that cost isn't the end all

But ultimately it's the requirement that dictates that

I only require about 3TB's of data at this time max with my current setup

With my new setup I'll have shed all of the crap I haven't used in years

So my requirements will be closer to 700 GB's for the first year

[pallid tusk]

What kind of stuff would you store in an hdd over an ssd

[zealous bramble]

Photos and videos

I can't imagine anyone having more than 100GB's worth

But that's just becuase I don't take photos and videos all that often

[pallid tusk]

Most of my storage comes from game stuff

[zealous bramble]

Mine at least does

[pallid tusk]

Being the video games I play, and the video games I make

[zealous bramble]

If you're into video editing or collecting big swaths of information in databases then you'll neeed a lot of storage