#storage-devices

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nocturne burrow
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he probably just want to recycle and use already available hardware, i myself use usb3.0 external dvd drive for when the necessity occurs works on everything from old to new computers

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are the PCIe cards that have the m.2 slots on them worth getting?
@plush silo depends, the main thing to consider is "speed", as long as your speed is consistent across m.2 device, the adapter, and the mobo then you good. First you identify how fast the m.2 storage can go for, they can go up to 24Gbps (about 2000MB/s) then just get a compatible adapter that will handle that speed finally the correct pcie bus, different length got different speed. The key here is as long as you're not losing speed then its good.

worn karma
somber remnant
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owoverpriced 🙂

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but if you think samsung's reliability is worth the extra 50$ per drive go ahead

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you could prob get 2 1tb A80s or something similar and get a 2 sata ssds 2tb

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also thats an expensive case damn

woven jolt
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guys i need help, I bought a silicon power 512gb ssd but it has two notches on the end that it connects instead of one, is there any way i could still get it to work

compact sentinel
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You are right it is a 15+ year pc and It already is running XP but the DVD drive quit seeing disks in it even though OS and Bios say drive is ok. I replaced the drive and cable but still no luck, had a pc shop check it out, but they had no luck too. So next step is to go with a PCI IDE controller to see if that will work. Unless someone has a miracle for me to try.

upbeat forge
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Good ssd for the price?

torpid adder
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It's okay

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Use QLC drives as secondary storage or something tbh

loud estuary
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There are cheaper qlc options tho. This is only $10 less than mp34

steep abyss
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uh oh

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i dropped my hdd on the floor

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from my dresser

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hope its good

somber remnant
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feelsbadman

steep abyss
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lol yea

drifting hornet
upbeat forge
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Thanks!

drifting hornet
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I'd say it's a better bang for your buck, I know WD is good for hard drives/ssd's i've had a few myself, and trust their stuff

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but overall go with your gut, just trying to help

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the other one, could have better read/write speeds, making it slightly better but you can't really tell by what it says in words

loud estuary
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The WD blue is a sata drive, the intel one is NVMe and much faster @upbeat forge @drifting hornet

upbeat forge
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True

loud estuary
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The intel is QLC tho. If you have $20 to spare, I'd just get a MP34. It's TLC, not QLC with better write speeds

kind sierra
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I believe the 1TB 660p is currently on sale right now on newegg for $109 or so

loud estuary
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$119

kind sierra
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Ah, okay. You need the email promo code for the 109 price

loud estuary
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I mean they are both fine, but I wouldn't use QLC as boot drive b/c endurance and I'd say it's worth an extra $20-30 to get TLC nvme w/ dram over sata if you have it

minor sun
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I mean at least its got dram

buoyant frigate
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I have the Intel 660p and just use it for games

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That and a PNY XLR8 CS3030

red jay
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i'm looking to buy a 1 tb ssd for my desktop for the games i am going to be playing. should i get one of the nvme drives people have been linking in here or should i get a 2.5" instead?

minor sun
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depends on budget

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if you can get nvme, might as well, it's like 20$ more. If you really really cannot fit a 130$ drive in your budget, Sata is fine

red jay
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so the teamgroup is what i should go for? or should i go for a adata or such?

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that $130 would be okay for my budget but more the top end for now

minor sun
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Don't look at brand

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look at model

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MP34 1tb is a good drive

red jay
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ok

fresh crypt
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@here anyone selling ddr3 1600mhz ram for under 60$ need 8gb

vestal reef
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We don't sell on this server but that shouldn't be to hard to find on ebay

little thistle
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best £50 ssd?

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whats the difference between m.2 ssd's and stats 6 ssd's?
and which is best for load times

novel fractal
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link to "stats 6" plz

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not really sure what you mean by that

little thistle
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sry 1 sec

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I meant stata

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sata***

novel fractal
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m.2 is way better for multiple reasons

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if you have many drives, they usually are all on the same bus, so the more you have, the more bottlenecked you can get, m.2 uses PCI lanes, which is incredibly fast

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technically m.2 is just the type of connection, likek mSATA, but m.2 is almost always PCI-E

lone pier
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You really don't need nvme, it's just something nice to have in your pc, if you have a high budget

plush crag
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Sata and NVME are nearly the same price

lone pier
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Well

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It depends

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A high end sata ssd will cost about the same as a low end nvme

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@little thistle make sure if you're getting an nvme, it actually says nvme, not just m.2

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Because there are sata m.2 ssds

little thistle
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OK

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ok*

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1 sec i'll show u what i'm considering

lone pier
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Ok

little thistle
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oh I can't send links atm

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i'll switch to my other acc

lone pier
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Ok

crisp root
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aight

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1 sec I need 2 find the other one

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get it

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got*

lone pier
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Ok

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You said you're budget's £50, right?

crisp root
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more like 43

lone pier
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Ok

crisp root
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I got that wrong

lone pier
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For around that price you could get a 460/512gb sata ssd

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The speed differance wouldn't really be noticable

crisp root
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yeh but I don't rly need all of that storage and i'd much prefer 2 have a cache

lone pier
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Oh ok

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Go with nvme then

crisp root
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here's the build it's for

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ok

lone pier
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Actually

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Maybe the crucial mx is better than the nvme you picked out

crisp root
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ok

lone pier
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Look at the read and write speeds

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And cache

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Also I heard the mx has a ton of features

crisp root
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I could get slightly better ram if I was to get the cheap 1 but tbh I don't think thats worth it at all

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ok then

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thnx 4 the help

lone pier
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Not bad but get rid of that evga br

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Unless you only plan on using your pc for a few months

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Go with something like a corsair cx

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Back in my day you could get the ryzen 5 2600 for the price of that 3300x

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Also, does that b450 motherboard support 3rd gen ryzen?

minor sun
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BR is decent lol

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slightly worse than cx yea but if thats all you can get it ain't one of those that dies

lone pier
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It's not really the reliability that's bad about it

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Dont expect to overclock

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If you have an extra 10 or 20 dollars it's worth getting a better psu

minor sun
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???

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It's 500w

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the PC is 3300x+1660 susper

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that isn't exactly a lot of power draw

lone pier
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I know that but it's power delivery is not great

minor sun
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It has a decent warranty, high 12v ripple, low holdup time but not a huge issue.

lone pier
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Then why did everybody freak out when I said I was gonna a get a br

minor sun
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the high 12v ripple prob

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it's not a deal breaker

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but it's bad

lone pier
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Oh, ok

minor sun
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not bad enough to break things

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but ocing might be a bit harder

warm moss
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hello

loud estuary
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Hi

normal thistle
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Is higher timing better or lower when It comes to ram

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?

upper quiver
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lower

normal thistle
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Ok

upper quiver
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higher clock speed, lower timing

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for price performance on 3rd gen ryzen, get 3600 CL 16

normal thistle
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Ddr4 3600 timing 18-22-22-42 that not the best is it?

upper quiver
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i mean, for a few dollars more, at least for 8gb modules, you can get cl16

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i think its 16-19-19-something

normal thistle
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I want at least 16gb but thinking of 32

upper quiver
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what do you plan to use all that ram for

normal thistle
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Gaming and some video editing

iron horizon
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Idk know if I'm in the right place but

upper quiver
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windows checking your ram

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just let it be

minor sun
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Basically

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18-22-22-22-42 bad

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16-19-19-19-39 is good

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16-16-16-16-38 is great

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14-14-14-14-34 is amazing

normal thistle
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Ok thanks

upbeat forge
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How is 15-17-17-35?

upper quiver
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at what speed

minor sun
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I'm talking at 3600mhz mainly

upbeat forge
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3000

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MHz

short lodge
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Whats a good boot drive SSD for cheap (DRAM?)

shut furnace
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mp34 best value from what i've seen so far

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nvme

short lodge
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I mean 60-120gb

eager epoch
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that or sn750 is slightly better if you can find it on sale for same price

short lodge
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like the real cheap stuff

eager epoch
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mp34 has small options but id go like 250 if you could

shut furnace
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i guess look for a ssd you like then check it on the ssd spreadsheet pinned

short lodge
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K

open gazelle
dark perch
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i just bought a ssd and plugged it in and it wasnt saying anything in bios i switched the plugs with my hdd and still didnt work, any suggestions?

narrow sorrel
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like it wasnt showing in bios?

jovial cypress
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is this good?

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nvm link didnt work

short lodge
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Gotta be level 3 MEE6 to post links/images

haughty hill
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Just picked up Intel entry server chassis SC5295-E and was wonder what type of serverboard that I could use in this

red jay
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I'm looking for at least 1TB of either SSD or preferably HDD right now. I was looking at Seagate for the solution, but some sources said they were trash due to the higher probability of Disk Malfunction. Then I looked at the WD Black and was told that WD is having a Lawsuit filed against them due to something about threading? Anyways what is a good SSD or HDD for Gaming mainly, odd video/streaming here and there.

short lodge
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@red jay for a boot drive or a secondary drive?

red jay
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Second Drive @short lodge

short lodge
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ooh long link

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Anyways it's seagate and 2TB for the price of 1TB. It's a good drive, even thouhg you've heard bad things about seagate. I use it personally and it's great.

red jay
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I would want to get a 2TB SSD, but man they are expensive. I seen some up to $250.

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I guess this Seagate will have to do.

short lodge
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well as a secondary drive HDDs are plenty fast

red jay
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Yeah?

short lodge
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they get very fast since they aren't running an operating system all the time

red jay
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That makes sense

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So move all my games to that HDD?

short lodge
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I mean not very fast but fast enough for games or wtv

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Yeah if you want to sure

uncut bramble
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yeah a big honkin 7200rpm HDD is fine for game storage, I'm using a 2TB one myself, and it's fine

short lodge
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2Tb HDD gang

red jay
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And ordered

short lodge
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good stuff

red jay
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Thank you for the help @short lodge

short lodge
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anytime my man

red jay
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Oh and before I forget do I need anything special cable wise?

short lodge
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or female aquaintance

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uh not really just SATA power from your power supply and SATA DATA

red jay
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I see my other Hard Drive Port or where I plug it in at

short lodge
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wdym

red jay
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On my MOBO

short lodge
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Yep you plug one end into motherboard and other into hard drive

red jay
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So I just need to slide it into the rack, plug it in to the PSU and then the plug on the MOBO. Seems easy enough...

short lodge
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and screw it in of course

red jay
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I just kinda slide them in the rack...

short lodge
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no screws?

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you need screws usually

red jay
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When I was building my dads PC I just slid it into the rack and called it a day..

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Ofc when I built his I forgot to plug it into the PSU and was wondering why it wasnt showing up xD

short lodge
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screws are definitely usually needed my man/female aquaintance

red jay
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Are you trying to be courteous about which gender I am?

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What if I am neither?

short lodge
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aw crap

red jay
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Nah I am joking with you xD

short lodge
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I don't know how to dp that

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Oh okay phew

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I usually just say my man but am now deciding to be careful

open gazelle
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screws are definitely usually needed my fellow human acquaintance

short lodge
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🤯

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I never though of that one

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It's mine now

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Thaks Hei

open gazelle
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welcome

loud estuary
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Now you can say my human instead of my man

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So you'll sound like you're an alien invader 🙂

short lodge
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Thank you for the advice my fellow human acquaintance

loud estuary
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Lol, you're welcome my human

torpid adder
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How do you do fellow kids

loud estuary
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What's popping my fellow teen

shut furnace
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hello fellow boomers

loud estuary
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This server is on fleek

short lodge
vestal reef
normal thistle
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How good is 16-18-18-38 ram timing

upper quiver
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dapends on the speed

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and the cpu

normal thistle
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3200 ddr4

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Ryzem 9 3900x

upper quiver
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3600 16 isnt that much more

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unless youre getting more than 16gb

normal thistle
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64gb

upper quiver
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ouch

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2x32

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or 4x16

normal thistle
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Yes 2x32

upper quiver
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what are you using 64gb of ram for

normal thistle
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Video editing and streaming

upper quiver
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are you sure youre gonna be able to use 64?

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streaming doesnt use ram hardly at all

normal thistle
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I am also looking at 32gb as well

upper quiver
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and video editing depends on resolution and the like

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like, are you working with 4k video

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and what software are you using

normal thistle
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No

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And I don't know yet

upper quiver
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i feel like 64gb is seriously overkill

minor sun
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2x32 be way overkill

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Do 2x16 and upgrade to 4x16 as needed. The chances of you needing 4x32 is very very low

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Unless you do professional video editing, you don't really need 64gb of ram

normal thistle
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Ok

upper quiver
minor sun
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I'd just suggest you get a kit of 2x16 trident z neo 3600mhz cl16 if you want rgb, or a kit of 2x16 ripjaw v 3600mhz cl16

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Ya that or neo if you want rgb

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Cl18 sassy

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Neo cl16 is usually around 180$

upper quiver
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oh oops

normal thistle
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Mostly everyone is saying 3200 speed is best for ryzen9 3900x

minor sun
upper quiver
minor sun
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Who

upper quiver
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srry i copied the wrong one lol

minor sun
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Most every testing of 3200mhz vs 3600mhz on 3rd gen Ryzen say 3600 is perceivably faster

normal thistle
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How's 16-16-16-36

minor sun
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Good

shut furnace
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muy bien

normal thistle
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The problem with it is it's the gskill trident z royal

upper quiver
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not worth the cost

shut furnace
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😋

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royal DroolingEgg

upper quiver
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just get one of the sets we suggested

normal thistle
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184.99$ 32gb

upper quiver
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ya. vs 150

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for the same thing

shut furnace
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for bling ram, id pay anything KermitVader

normal thistle
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What is funny is the ram I was talking about first is better then both of the other ones timing on yours was 16-19-19-39 mine was 16-18-18-38

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Found one thanks for the help

upper quiver
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subtimings arent super important

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the main factors of performance are memory clock speed and CAS

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the one you were talking about first was 3200MT/s

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the ones we suggested were 3600MT/s

normal thistle
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I found one that was 16-16-16-36 and 3600 speed

upper quiver
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ok

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is it less than $150

normal thistle
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No

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It's fine

upper quiver
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then who cares

normal thistle
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How about a m.2 500gb for almost $70

upper quiver
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thats an average price

normal thistle
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Really I have found a ton like 500 for 200-300

upper quiver
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this is a good one

normal thistle
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Yeah the one I found was on amazon

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Wd blue

upper quiver
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yeah, but WD blue is garbage tier SSDs

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would suggest the WD black SN750 as the cheapest WD M.2 ssd

normal thistle
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And I can't go with a hdd because I will be moving my computer every week

open gazelle
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WD blue is "garbage" when compared to NVMe because it's SATA. But still one of the best SATA SSDs

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also how harsh are moving conditions? HDDs when powered off can take a fair bit without issue. Still no as durable as SSDs but good enough for most types of moving. I mean I've been moving weekly with two HDDs in my desktop without issue by car on decent conditioned asphalt road

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just put my PC back in the case box with the original styrofoam, which is decent thickness. With that + car shocks + making sure PC cant slide around you'll probs be fine

normal thistle
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Some of the roads I go on to my friends house it would be less I'm theory if you drove in the field

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I have a 3 seater truck so it would sit next to me on the seat

open gazelle
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well idk how harsh the conditions are for you but going at a decent speed it'll most likely be fine

normal thistle
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We go like 10 miles per hour but I would rather just be on the safe side

upper quiver
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i was talking WD blue M.2 ssds

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the SN550 i think

open gazelle
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ah, ye that. Yeah basically garbage tier NVMe. Tho that's when comparing to other NVMes. Still a viable option and not that bad if prices are right (which they basically never are, $5 for a much better NVMe is worth)

loud estuary
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I wish I knew about mp34 drives before I went and bought two evo plus drives a year ago

minor sun
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Ye

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I got mp510 but mp34 was prob cheaper

loud estuary
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I literally spent $100 more on like mild r/w speed upgrades

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Glad I didn't buy some trash ssd from a trusted brand tho

minor sun
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the more you know, the better choices you make :P

loud estuary
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Yeah lol...

open gazelle
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34 seems new. Never seen them last year, only 33

charred goblet
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I need some advice on upgrading my hard drives. I currently have (MSI Z97 PC Mate LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard) with a 250G SATA drive that houses the Windows 10 OS and all other apps. Then I have a 1T SATA drive to which all storage (music, pics, vids, docs, etc.) is routed. I would like to upgrade to two 8T SATA drives and run them in RAID-1 configuration. I don't know if my system is able to support or recognize the larger hard drives and/or able to support the RAID-1 configuration. Can someone please help?

limpid atlas
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Hello! I need some assistance. I need some help getting data off of an older SAS 2.5 drive. I am not a hardware guy. What do I need to purchase in order to read the driver?

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The business of a friend of mine burnt down and these drives are what remains.

noble iris
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hey guys i have a msi z390 godlike,if i use 1 m2 drive everything works fine if i add a 2nd then my pc locks up quite often,any bios setting i need to change when adding a 2nd drive

craggy pollen
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dont think

sinful glacier
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(my mobo doesnt have a heatsink)

red jay
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I have a Seagate Business Storage 4-Bay NAS. Would WD Drives work in this system? If so, what drives do you guys recommend for this system?

torpid adder
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Make sure it isn't a...

red jay
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a what @minor sun ?

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SORRY

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I meant to tag @torpid adder

torpid adder
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Make sure it isn't a shingle magnetic recording drive

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SMR

red jay
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ok, SMR bad?

torpid adder
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For NAS it is especially bad

red jay
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do they fail a lot?

torpid adder
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I think it requires knowing what to do with an SMR drive, and what software to use with it, for it to work smoothly

red jay
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that's too much work

torpid adder
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Easy enough to make sure it's not SMR rather than gamble

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They do fail when you don't treat it like an SMR drive I guess

kind sierra
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You can use them, they're just very very different

red jay
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i'd rather not

kind sierra
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Yeah, you don't want to

torpid adder
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Look for Perpendicular Magnetic Recording drives, PMR, I think

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Or whatever the normal magnetic recording is called

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Just something you should definitely look out for though

red jay
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so even though it's a Seagate device, I can put WD drives in there?

kind sierra
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If it's sata, it's sata

torpid adder
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Should be able to

red jay
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yep it's SATA

loud estuary
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Can someone help me find out if the sk hynix sc313 has dram? Not on the master spreadsheet and I can't find it online

mighty furnace
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Hello all

torpid adder
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😔

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Idk how to know whether it has dram

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Maybe check review of it?

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Could also just not go for it

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Do you know what flash it has?

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@loud estuary

loud estuary
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I can't find a review. I'm not gonna buy it, it's already in a laptop I have. I think it is TLC

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The sk hynix data sheet is useless

torpid adder
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Ah

shut furnace
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lol

torpid adder
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Of course it is 😔

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You could try taking it apart

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Or whatever

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To get to the PCB so you can see all the chips

normal thistle
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How good is Samsung 860 qvo 1tb for 99.99

shut furnace
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not good deal

torpid adder
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Lol

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WD Blue 2.5"

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Much better

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Or 660p, or SN750 if you're feeling fancy

shut furnace
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660p is also qlc, has better r/w tho

torpid adder
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Better than 860 QVO weggsmug

leaden wagon
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https://www.newegg.com/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb/p/N82E16822184773?item=N82E16822184773&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-hard+drives-_-N82E16822184773&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8OPMyoGv6gIViYbACh3gYwd6EAQYASABEgKJrPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Newegg.com
Seagate BarraCuda ST2000DM008 2TB 7200 RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s...

Buy Seagate BarraCuda ST2000DM008 2TB 7200 RPM 256MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive Bare Drive with fast shipping and top-rated customer service.Once you know, you Newegg!

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is there any reason why i shouldn't get this

red jay
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I just got that

leaden wagon
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this seams almost too good to be true

red jay
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I also got it for my dad and the Disk Crashed on him...

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He recovered it, but I wouldn't recommend putting important things like a Operating System on it.

leaden wagon
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im getting it for games and file storage

red jay
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Thats what I got mine for

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Seems solid enough

leaden wagon
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i mean 50$ for 2 tb i just thought something might be wrong with it or it might be made for like specific tasks or something

red jay
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Should be fine.

leaden wagon
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nvm

short lodge
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@leaden wagon I have it as my game drive. Works really well for me

half flint
finite widget
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what do you guys think of this for a A320M mobo

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its a 256gb

small whale
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whats a mobo have to do with gbs?

somber remnant
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a60 :((

upper quiver
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A60 bad

finite widget
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whats A60 mean?

upper quiver
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you can pay like a few dollars more for something much better

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thats the ssd

finite widget
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ah

upper quiver
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SP A60

finite widget
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what would you suggest

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im looking to spend around $40 ish

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256Gb should be sufficient

upper quiver
finite widget
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kinda awhile until that would get here

upper quiver
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this maybe?

small whale
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Is this a good boot ssd?

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Im not sure what to look for in one

vestal reef
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Wow, 40 bucks for a 250gig nvme...

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Thats crazy

upper quiver
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wait, not that one

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its kinda meh

finite widget
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yea its meh read/write

upper quiver
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wait

finite widget
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but would be fine

upper quiver
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actually, yeah, that would be alright

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it uses HMB instead of DRAM, but they pretty much do the same thing

finite widget
small whale
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Im looking for a great m.2 boot drive.. it can be as low as 128gbs

finite widget
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I found the mp33 on newegg

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dont know how much it would cost me to get that july 7th shipping tho

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eh actually

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idk

upper quiver
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the one i linked was cheaper

finite widget
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yea the adata one?

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it should be fine?

upper quiver
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yeah, 40 free ship

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yeah, its actually decent

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i thought it wasnt, turns out its good

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plus its got a heat spreader

finite widget
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lol amazon is dumb

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1 day difference is $7

upper quiver
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lmao yeah

finite widget
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so my pc cost is around $300 rn

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looking at buying my friends gpu for maybe $70 but gonna try to talk him down some

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its a 1060 3gb

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was gonna buy a 970 for $45 but the guy on fb ghosted me

red jay
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i got ghosted on two monitors from two different people, ended up spending 4 hours in a town 1 hr from where i live just to end up getting one

shut furnace
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Samsung 860 evo VS wd blue VS SK Hynix gold s31

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Looking for opinions, need 512gb sata

minor sun
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860qvo?

shut furnace
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No evo

loud estuary
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I'd just go for the cheapest one

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Since they all have comparable specs

shut furnace
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Yeah true

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I couldn’t find much info on the sk Hynix tho

loud estuary
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I have one

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Solid drive

shut furnace
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Alright ty

gaunt agate
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Bought 2 of the 500 Gb SSD from new egg they shipped via ups they delivered it to the post office and the post office cant find them

tawdry hedge
#

has anyone had experience with semaphore timeout and how did you fix it ?

tawdry hedge
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or rather, have you guys ever gotten disk usage 100%, but read/write speed only 0 KB/s ? (windows 10's task manager)
when I looked at the processes at the time, no file transfer or anything, total disk usage in the processes tab was only ~25%
but it took maybe 20 seconds before I could open folders

What gives ?
I ran Disk check no (more) errors (it had before but disk check fixed it)

minor sun
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Might be windows being slow indexing things

shut furnace
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I’ve seen it happen before with hdds, idk any details tho

kind sierra
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Windows search is very slow

shell onyx
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Windows default search engine (the one embedded in File Explorer) kinda sucks. I used (to use) Everything by voidtools for searching random stuff in Windows. Free and fast, I recommend it.
https://www.voidtools.com/support/everything/

jovial cypress
#

i have a wd black 2tb 7200rpm and it only shows 1.81gb instead on like 1.9 or something close to 2tb is it normaly like that?

shut furnace
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Ye seems fine

rustic mountain
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Yes its normal, manufacturers use 1gb = 1000mb instead of 1024mb so 2tb would be 2000gb / 1024 = ~1.9 and then they are allowed to have dead space and drive reserved area so 1.81 sounds reasonable.

tawdry hedge
#

thanks guys I ran tests with SeaTools, HardDriveSentinel and checked CrystalDiskInfo all seems fine no errors

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drive's only been running for 2 months/5TB written
could be just on the software side like you guys said

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speaking of that, is there a tool that'd make data management/categorization easier ?
Like a file explorer that'd automatically create tags 🤔

tawdry hedge
#

Update: I used another mobo's USB 3.0 port and it seems fine so far
that's gonna be a bigger problem if there were a defective mobo port 😢

minor sun
#

I found it quite interesting I was about to double my seq write speed back to a more normal value after cleaning up the free space on the drive

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upper quiver
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huh, nice

minor sun
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it was ~950mb/s seq1m write

terse forge
#

anyone know what pcie m.2 expansion card i could use with a 3900x,1080 ti, and ROG Strix X570-F Gaming together?

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it seems i cant use that fancy asus card for w.e reason

gleaming escarp
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How much space did you clean up on the drive Mr1111??

minor sun
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@gleaming escarp none, I just used software that rewrote all the free space as 0s

gleaming escarp
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0 rather than a blank?

minor sun
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when you delete files

gleaming escarp
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So would that make it faster for the drive to write out everything on it?

minor sun
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it doesn't rewrite what is there

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it just erases the pointers that point to there

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I guess actually getting rid of all the crap thats on there really helps with write speeds

shut furnace
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yup, then when you download new stuff it just overwrites the old

minor sun
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makes sense

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because it would allow the drive to write straight on, instead of having to erase whats there first

gleaming escarp
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So if downloading and deleting larger files using the software would be a good idea? Or like a seasonal clean up type deal.

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Ahh

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Can skip the pointers leading to nothing because 0 is a clean canvas to work with.

minor sun
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ye you could use the software to completely delete files but

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I'll be doing it more seasonally and rewrite the free space

gleaming escarp
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hmm. Cool. Not too important for me since I'll mostly be gaming but could see how it would make sense for users that move a lot of files.

minor sun
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Makes sense how it made a large difference for me because I had 20tb total written

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so all the empty space was prob written on at some point

gleaming escarp
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20TB total written so far on the drive?

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So that means it keeps track of the amount it has written out?

minor sun
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Yea drives keeps track and software like CDI tells you

gleaming escarp
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Could you then use that number to cross reference with what manufactures spec the drives lifespan to be in terms of total writeable TB

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So its like an electronic odometer

minor sun
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Sure

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For example, my MP510 is rated for 1700TBW over 5 years

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Nowhere near still

gleaming escarp
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Cool, thanks! May your drives spin long and prosper. Unless its SSD.. No spinning happening in there I hope.

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lol

shut furnace
red jay
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can i partition a flash drive and still be able to choose which one to boot, cuz i have my windows recovery on here and i was wanting to try to put linux on it too?

unborn plover
#

I too am now curious. Never thought to try

terse forge
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i dont see why not. ive done things like this with linux, but that was 2 diffrent linux distros.

kind steppe
#

what are your opinions on pcie x16 storage? iss it gonna become bigger in the future?

terse forge
#

its already pretty big now in the server industry for certain builds

kind sierra
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@red jay It's do-able, but tricky

untold citrus
#

Anyone ever ran m.2 or sata on windows xp as a boot drive? I have an older alienware I want to put an ssd or two on. Ive got an m.2 and a sata. Whats a good cheap m.2 adapter and also if it does not have sata now whats the cheapest sata adapter. And also do I need special boot disc or drivers or bios settings to install to sata. I think i tried before on xp and had an issue back n the day

loud estuary
#

Why XP
Does that oem Mobo have no non-m.2 Sara ports?

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If that m.2 is a nvme, I wouldn't waste it by limiting it with the sata ata interface

vagrant steppe
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I can store my drivers and os on an ssd and have games on an hdd right

eager epoch
#

yes

kind sierra
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@untold citrus If the laptop is from the xp era, it is likely not useful to use an nvme ssd, since the chances of it supporting an nvme drive are slim to none

loud estuary
#

Did I miss something? Didn't see him mention it was a laptop

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👀

kind steppe
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^

noble atlas
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regular SATA should be fine on XP

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don't know about M.2

terse forge
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@plush crag so something great happened lol

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got that 6tb WD Black in and moved like 90% of the non essential things off of my nvme raid

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and re ran CDM

minor sun
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good writes now eh

terse forge
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idk what % full is the sweet spot but taking it from 89% to 13% bascially made it run top notch

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good everything compared to what it was doing lol

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thats what it was lol

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was even worse at like 89% full

minor sun
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I can prob get seq1m write back up to 2gb/s

terse forge
#

yeah its a bit nutty how much this effects it

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you run a 1pass erase on you ssd?

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should i do that on my nvme now that i have it where i want

minor sun
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erase empty space

terse forge
#

does it matter if i use cc cleaner? for single pass

minor sun
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no idea

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I used a SDelete utility for windows

terse forge
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bout to find out lol

minor sun
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it writes 0 in all the empty space

terse forge
#

do you think with ryzen 3900x benchmarks

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there will be a decent driffrence in score with 3200 and 3600mhz ram?

minor sun
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Yes

terse forge
#

okay so that explains why my friend gets like 5% better scores than me with litreally a copy of the same OC profile lol

minor sun
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yea

plush crag
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Nice

terse forge
#

@plush crag is it possible to take some of my normal sata ssd and have it act as cache for my 6tb mechanical drive?

plush crag
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Not easily, no.

terse forge
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is there any option to boosting the mechanical drive in any way?

plush crag
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I would use the HDD as long term storage, where you don't need to quickly seek through files.

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For stuff that needs faster r/w or i/o - put that on the ssd/nvme drive.

terse forge
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gotcha. i had planned to do long term streaming recordings there and low end games

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@minor sun

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lol looks worse?

minor sun
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low read for some reason

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still pretty high

leaden wagon
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so is there any program i need to install to make an smr drive work better?

terse forge
#

its raid 0 nvme gen 4 lol

minor sun
#

ya

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wasn't it 8gb/s before?

terse forge
#

yup

minor sun
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prob just bad run

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try again

terse forge
#

bit better this time

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almost 8

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im happy with it lol. now i just need to re download like 600gb worth of games lol

terse forge
#

@plush crag dont flame me lol. but what do i pick here?

plush crag
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GPT

terse forge
#

and let it pick its own allocation size?

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aka defualt

plush crag
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Usually, ya

terse forge
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i know for like nvme drives 128 is recomended so wasnt sure

vestal reef
#

Whats the cheapest 2.5" 500gb ssd ya'll would recommend?

minor sun
#

@vestal reef does it have to be 2.5in? The cheapest 2.5in drive with dram I'm seeing is Team Vulcan at 56$, but Crucial P2 is 52$ for 500gb.

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P2 has HMB but still faster

vestal reef
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I assumed 2.5 would be cheaper but that looks good

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Thanks @minor sun

minor sun
#

yw

somber remnant
#

we've hit the point where M.2 drives are cheaper than SATA

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:0

granite hemlock
#

I building a new pc and my 1st requirement is raid 6. Do any motherboards support that built in, if not any recommendation on a reasonable raid card? Planning on 1tb ssd's for the raid storage.

kind steppe
#

@granite hemlock why not raid 10

granite hemlock
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@kind steppe I had not considered that but I guess it serves the same purpose of 2 drive failure tolerance and the same total space. (Although it depends on which 2, so 75% the reliability of raid 6) If I can live with 10 that includes just about every motherboard. Now my only other consideration is nvme if $ will allow.

kind steppe
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Well

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nvme fast

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@granite hemlock

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But like

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How much?

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I think most high end mobos have 3 slots, and midrage ones have 2 (like mine)

pastel notch
#

How much do you guys recommend for storage?

minor sun
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For doing what

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Only a few light games, 512gb ssd

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For a fair few games but nothing else, 1tb ssd

pastel notch
#

Ok thanks

minor sun
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Gaming and video editing or file storage, 512gb SSD + 2tb HDD

pastel notch
#

Do you have any HDD you can recommend?

minor sun
#

That's my thoughts at least

pastel notch
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Ok

minor sun
#

Seagate barracuda 2tb

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50$

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Good value

pastel notch
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Ok thanks

lone girder
#

Is it bad to have two different types of NVME SSD's?

loud estuary
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It doesn't matter

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Even in raid you can have different models

lone girder
#

Ok cool

loud estuary
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But is some raid configs different sized drives make a dif

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Like a raid array with a 500 GB and several 1 tbs will be limited by the 500GB

lone girder
#

ah ok

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thanks

flat kite
#

I finally managed to make my new HDD show up! God Bless lol

granite hemlock
#

@kind steppe Even 3 slots is not enough for raid 10, but it is enough for 1 or 5. So I guess my choices are: lower my expectations to 1 or 5 using nvme and motherboard raid, sas/sata raid 10 using motherboard, buy a raid card for sas/sata raid 6, or go all out$$$ and get a card and external box for nvme raid 6. I don't even know if or what is available. In case anyone wants to know: this is for personal use. I plan to build a box with a minimal linux OS and virtualbox, then make a few machines inside it for actual use. Windows 10 for every day use. Windows 7 to just make a container for my current machine, a Linux box just because, and what I call an "Impunity machine" that I can clone and use to browse with impunity, then destroy with each use. (And maybe an XP machine because I have some old development tools that I will never update but could be useful) I know that my storage needs will grow to meet capacity, and now that I am into low TB sizes, encountering a URE when restoring a raid becomes a much higher probability, thus the desire for raid 6. I don't do gaming so top end video, GPU and CPU are not required, but might need to come along for the ride in order to meet my storage desires. As to my skill level in the world of computers: I write code and have been doing so probably longer than most of you helping me have been alive. I used to know a lot about hardware. Now I feel I barely have a clue.

kind steppe
#

cool

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@pastel notch I wouldn

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t use a hdd

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as a boot drive

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make sure u have ssd for boot drive, either nvme or sata

pastel notch
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yeah thats what i was going to do if i did SSD and HDD

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thanks though

plush crag
#

Don't use raid

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Raid 5 with 3 disks is pointless

kind sierra
#

Raid five with three disks is fine

plush crag
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But that gives a 40% chance of an unrecoverable error if one drive fails.

kind sierra
#

How's that?

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Just drop in the new disk and rebuild

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As long as none of the other drives fail as you're rebuilding, you're fine

plush crag
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Depends if the real-world read URE rate matches the spec, varies I guess

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I'd just rather either go with raid 1 + spare or -
If one has the money for 3 drives, getting a 4th for raid 10 would really be the best way to go

kind sierra
#

Raid 10 you still need to rebuild the array when a drive fails

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The trick is making sure that the MTBF of a disk is significantly larger than the time it takes to image that disk

#

A a decent 1TB nvme disk will take less than an hour to image, so as long as you don't have drives failing that frequently it will be fine

granite hemlock
#

Thanks for the posts. I think a plan is starting to coalesce in my brain. 1 small nvme for the OS + virtualbox. (Maybe 2 for raid 1 if slots allow) The OS will be fairly static so a simple backup will work even if it is out of date because the only thing missing will be patches that can be reinstalled. Raid 6 card and 4 sata drives for everything else. This will give me the high probability of 2 drive failure survivibility so that I probably don't need to fall back on a slightly out of date backup. I would also like a hot spare for the sata raid, but don't yet see how that connects to most of the raid cards I have looked at. Most have a sas port, and sas-to-4-sata cables is just enough for the 4 drives needed for the raid.

normal thistle
#

What y'all think of ssd that plugs into a pci like a gpu?

kind steppe
#

?

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expensive

#

fast

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not much else to say

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go watch linus' video

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@normal thistle

kind sierra
#

@granite hemlock Sounds like a good plan

normal thistle
#

I have that's how I found out about them and there not that bad for price

kind sierra
#

General rule of thumb is if you're a gamer, you don't need flagship

granite hemlock
#

@normal thistle I have no experience with them yet, but from what I have read, the specs on paper are really fast, the real world experience is that for most things you will barely notice a difference if at all. One thing that should be noticeably faster is copying large files if both are on the nvme storage. Otherwise, the most I've heard to expect is to maybe shave a second or 2 off boot time. (Assuming you use this for the boot disk.)

red jay
#

Since I only need a 128gb ssd, what is the fastest 128gb ssd for a decent price

vestal reef
#

Mp34

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Tho I dont often recommend 128gb drives

sweet badge
#

980 evo++

red jay
#

Only really need 128gb, its only for a minecraft/terraria server pc lol

upper quiver
#

256gb is like, not even that much more expensive

#

and basically performs twice as fast

vestal reef
#

Ya

drifting hedge
#

Do you think this would fit a standard M.2 socket?

#

Looks like Key E?

upper quiver
#

we already told you no in general

drifting hedge
#

"we"

#

you mean you

upper quiver
#

no, we

sweet badge
#

yeah its proprietary to macbooks

drifting hedge
#

smh my head

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okay thanks guy

upper quiver
#

its an mSATA, i own a few

#

it can be found in LGA 1155 and 1150 motherboards

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and most laptops from that era

#

but, high end 1150 boards began to come with the M.2 slot

kind sierra
#

It's definitely not m.2, I can tellyou that

sweet badge
#

yeah its pcie 3.0 x4

kind sierra
#

bung you apple

pastel notch
#

smh my head
Just why. Why. smh is shaking my head. Why say shaking my head my head?

kind sierra
#

Yeah idk don't know

pastel notch
#

You son of a

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smhmyhead WHY IS THIS AN EMOJI

#

AHHHHHH

kind sierra
#

tbh be honest idk don't know why

loud estuary
#

Lol

pastel notch
#

B r u h

#

What’s next?

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Nvm ver mind?

#

I don’t even know

kind sierra
#

lol out loud

loud estuary
#

Idk know

kind sierra
#

lmk me know if you think of any more

loud estuary
#

Just jk

#

Wait that kinda works, NVM

kind sierra
#

ofc course, most people would look at you funny if you used these in an actual conversation, but idc don't care

pastel notch
#

Yea they very much would

#

Ok my head hurts from this

#

So I’m going to go

kind steppe
#

U mean

#

@pastel notch

#

I've gtg to go

pale torrent
#

What does rpm means in hdd ?

latent smelt
#

the speed at which the platter spins.

#

@pale torrent

kind steppe
#

@pale torrent the speed of the disk.... faster usually means better, but no hard drive can ever compare to a sata ssd

pastel notch
#

U mean
No you.

red jay
#

How do I setup an SSD and a Hardrive to run in tandem?

#

I have them both plugged In and windows registers the second drive but won’t let me use them both

minor sun
#

@red jay check which sata port you have the HDD in

#

some sata ports are disabled when you have a m.2 SSD installed on boards

minor sun
#

2200tbw

#

tf

#

it's the transcend MTE220S

wary mantle
#

does it use emlc or like 20% overprovisioning?

kind sierra
#

That seems to be a very low level

#

Is it a typo?

wary mantle
#

2.2PB is pretty high for consumer

minor sun
#

@kind sierra I'm just really confused because that's the highest I've seen on any consumer 1tb 3rd gen SSD, doesn't look like overprovisioning, as it still advertises 1tb not like 960gb on the MP510...

#

really weird

kind sierra
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Oh, I was reading it as a european spec sheet

#

Could be that it has a few extra nand chips, so raw capacity is 1.2TB or such like?

minor sun
#

possible, but that setup is very uncommon with an e12

#

e12 reference design was 960gb

#

w overprovisioning

kind sierra
#

Very strange

#

The read speeds also seem higher. Maybe it's DLC?

minor sun
#

says tlc

kind sierra
#

What is this

minor sun
#

also I'm wrong

#

it's not e12

#

it's SMI SM2262EN

bitter tree
#

should i get a mx500 1tb sata ssd, sabrent rocket 500gb nvme ssd, or sn750 500gb ssd

shut furnace
#

For the price prob sn750

#

If it’s the pcie 4.0 sabrent that is very fast, but also expensive and not everyone needs

#

Also only works to full speed on pcie 4.0 mobos

#

@bitter tree

bitter tree
#

ok

#

the sn750 is same price as rocket rn

shut furnace
#

Link plz

bitter tree
shut furnace
#

I’m seeing the sn750 has a bit better speeds

dry zephyr
#

anyone know how to test to see if a sata ssd died, or if its the sata cable (its in a laptop, so i need to tkae the ssd to my desktop, i just dont want to corrupt data when putting it to a new system)

lone girder
vestal reef
#

nice

lone girder
#

Thanks

#

What’s a fast way to see where things are saved and move them to a different place?

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Like a different disk

red jay
#

is a hard drive good enough for today?

short lodge
#

As a secondary drive, yeah

#

Storing your OS on it is not that great tho

red jay
#

ok

#

thanks

short lodge
#

No problem

orchid wharf
#

I have a weird problem maybe someone here can help. Recently I upgraded my motherboard and my cpu. So I had to install windows on it again, however my 1TB SSD is somehow formatted to just have windows on it. Meaning it won't let me save any games to it. Before I upgraded the MB and the CPU I had windows and some games on it as well. Anyone know why it won't let me save games to it now?

somber remnant
#

partition issues?

fierce comet
#

Hey I just installed a new SSD and I want to move my currently installed games to it. Do I simply copy the files like "SteamLibrary" to it or do I have to uninstall and install it to the new SSD?

minor sun
#

In steam there is an option to change where it is stored @fierce comet

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vivid zodiac
#

I have an HDD and a new SSD, What Do I need to do to make my os boot from my SSD instead of my HDD?

small steppeBOT
#
Trimco#7993 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

vivid zodiac
#

The hdd has all the STUFF in it and the ssd is clean (Hdd is 465.76 gb and the SSD is 476.94 gb in disk management)

#

The only other storage device I have rn is a usb stick with only 7.43 gb available

#

What should I do?

minor sun
#

Clean install Windows, move needed stuff over, re-format hard drive

#

That's what I'd do at leadt

#

There are tools like macrium reflect to copy over the partitions

vivid zodiac
#

Welp, time to suffer

#

Thanks for the reccomendation

#

Wait is there a way for me to use the current windows 10 I have rn for the new clean install?

red jay
#

many people are saying it is in the reviews

vivid zodiac
#

Not sure what an smr is, but I know its a non barracuda, seagate hdd without looking in my pc

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500gb

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Its a regular sized 3.5" if thats what its asking about

red jay
#

a smr is basically a rip off of a regular hdd, it uses less amount or the same amount as a cmr drive (a regular drive) but can hold more. When you do this, it becomes VERY SLOW the drive

vivid zodiac
#

Well Idk, but Rn Im just trying to know if I can use the windows 10 license for when I reset my stuff

#

You know what ima just put this in OS and software

iron horizon
#

How much will a Petabyte cost?

minor sun
#

@red jay Seagate isn't being upfront with their SMR drives, all we know is that some are mixed in

red jay
#

ok

#

thanks

azure edge
#

ok quick question

#

i have a 2 tb hard drive and i want to upgrade to an ssd

#

currently, the hard drive has like 750 gbs of data stored, so i bought a 1 tb ssd

#

could i still clone it even with the smaller capacity?

minor sun
#

Depends on the software

#

Some software doesn't like copying a bigger partition to a smaller drive

#

But some can just copy over actual data not the entire thing including empty space in the partition

azure edge
#

does macrium reflect work?

#

thats the software i want to use

kind sierra
#

How much data do you currently have on the HDD?

neat thorn
#

if the total amount of data that you want to move does not exceed the useable space on the new drive then yes you can. there are a lot of programs to help you accomplish it depending also on how you want to get it done. macrium lets you reorder and resize partitions .... i don't recall if it allows you to move just that partition in any order if there is more then one partition on the source drive (forgive me its been ages since I have used that software) there are other options like Gparted, clonezilla , easeUS , aomei, acronis come to mind I use a mix of Gparted and Clonezilla mostly myself. each option has pros and cons and various levels of flexibility and some are free while some stuff is pay walled.

you will just have to do one of two things. shrink the partition / partitions to a point where they use less space then the new drive has then move them (note you may run into issues with doing this due to fragmented data on the drive so it wont shrink enough till that is resolved) ... then after the shrink is complete then clone the drive to the new one.... or if the software you pick gives you the option you can clone particular partitions if there is more then one on the drive @azure edge

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hopefully that helps you a little

balmy cave
#

What is the difference between ssd and hdd

kind steppe
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@balmy cave ssd stands for solid state drive, vs hdd is a hard disk drive. a hard drive stores information on a spinning disk, whereas a ssd stores it in nanoscopic diodes. ssds are much faster, about 3x or 4x the speed, the most expensive being 9 or 10 times faster than the best hard drives.
also, hard drives are large, and break easily... If you drop one, it's toast. they are only good because you can have WAY more storage- a hard drive can easily have 12, 16, tbs of stoage, whereas a ssd can usually have a few terrabytes at most, under the cost of 1000$.

somber remnant
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12 16 gigabytes!??! wow so much

kind steppe
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@somber remnant wdym

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yea

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ironwolf pros

somber remnant
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lol u had a typo

kind steppe
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no...

somber remnant
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terabytes not gigabytes

kind steppe
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what?

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oh

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oop

somber remnant
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also seagate has made a 60tb ssd

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its just uhh

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slightly expensive

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or uhc silo 50tb ones

kind steppe
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yea

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thats why I said

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under 1k

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im talking normal ssds

red jay
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what is a good hdd that is 2tb and not a scam smr under $75CAD ($55USD)

somber remnant
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seagate barracuda 7200rpm

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i swear we should pin that drive here lol

red jay
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the thing with that drive is that seagate hides some smrs between their regular drives

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@somber remnant

gleaming escarp
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Would a good way to tell the difference be to check the cache?

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ie... 64mb for SMR cache and a 256mb for a NON SMR drive?

coral notch
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What’s a good size to have for a boot drive

kind sierra
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At least 128GB

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Preferably at least 256

coral notch
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So is it better to have a drive just as a boot drive

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Or is it fine for it to be like 2tb holding other things

kind sierra
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It depends

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Unless you have a lot of money to spend, it's usually best to have a small boot ssd and a large HDD for storage

coral notch
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Gotcha

fringe iris
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i run a 4tb with octane memory

hushed wharf
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optane is nice, but it doesn't replace a true ssd

wary mantle
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optane m.2 or dimm?

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i wish amd had something similar, their tiered storage isnt really working imo

balmy cave
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@kind steppewhat is better than 1tb if hdd or 512ssd

neat thorn
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depends

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this a main boot drive?

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if you purely need storage then that answers itself

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if its a boot drive then SSD all the way

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if you are doing editing / other data intensive stuff SSD all the way

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HDDs work good for anytime you need a lot of storage but dont need to get to it very fast

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(relative to price per gb)

short lodge
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HDD good for secondary game drive

neat thorn
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in mobile workstations hdds are also more prone to failure depending on the series of the drive and what kind of vibration was it designed to deal with

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and in laptop installs SSDs will typically pull a little less power which helps when your on battery but there is some exceptions to this

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@balmy cave

short lodge
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I like how you write a full on essay when someone asks a question :P

neat thorn
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i try to give useful info

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*shrugs

short lodge
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It’s useful but I mean idk if they needed all that yknow

neat thorn
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well how am i supposed to answer such a open ended question otherwise

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the only useful answer to that question was to cover the bases

short lodge
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Basically to sum up what he said:
For boot drive: SSD
For secondary drive not very speed-based: HDD
For laptop: SSD probably
For video editing and stuff like that: SSD

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Also SSD pulls a little less power usually

neat thorn
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some of them actually dont

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some HDDs are really power efficient

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but its also a power / time calc

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use less power but for longer vs more for less time

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(pcie 4.0 ssds not withstanding)

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those things just eat power up due to the speed

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the lower power states are still not bad though

red jay
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nice essays for a person who doesn't know this you would have gotten a A+++

short lodge
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Just for future reference, it might be less time consuming to ask them what their use case is instead of typing up all the use cases and advantages to each of them :P

red jay
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is a sd card faster than a usb 3.1 or type c

short lodge
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Don’t think so

red jay
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is this a good build

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sry for putting it in this chat

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just wanted you to see

coral notch
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Mobo too much

red jay
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ok

short lodge
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Overpriced mobo

coral notch
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^^^

red jay
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the mobo was 350

coral notch
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Other than that looks pretty good

red jay
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it got increased

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it was 350 yesterday

short lodge
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And overpriced 60Hz monitor

red jay
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on newegg

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its in CAD

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btw

short lodge
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$160 for 1080p 60Hz too much

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Oh it’s in CAD?

red jay
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ok

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yea

short lodge
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Lol

red jay
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but ur right the mobo

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increased by 50 bucks

short lodge
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Yeah mobo overpriced anyways

red jay
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i am gonna look at that

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it was supposed to be 350

coral notch
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You can find similar b550 for cheaper

red jay
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do you know any b550s

coral notch
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That ones pretty good

red jay
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yea

iron horizon
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Is there lets say

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A petabyte

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Any store sells?

coral notch
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If there is, let me know

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2 petabyte Samsung evo for $56750

analog rain
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So I’m getting a really good prebuilt like really good and it says it comes with a 240G SSD + 1T HDD. Don’t I only need one?

half flint
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What do you mean?

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One what?

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Like you only need the ssd or you only need the HDD?

coral notch
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You need both of those storage devices

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SSD will be good for boot drive hdd will hold everything else like games and stuff

kind steppe
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@balmy cave depends. If you need the extra storage, go for the hard drive. But, if you need a boot drive, go with the ssd. If you're gonna play valorant, you need the ssd.

coral notch
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Gotta pick Reyna before my stupid teammates do

kind steppe
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^

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exactly

coral notch
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I love when people pick someone instantly only to not use their abilities and only use their ult

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M.2 > Sata > hdd

normal thistle
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How many hours of video can a 120gb ssd hold?

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I want to do a time lapse and I want to take at least 3 to 4 hours of video so what would I need for that?

shut furnace
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depends on res and framerate

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timelapse usually has a lower framerate, maybe like 1 frame per 15 or 30 seconds or something like that, so i don't see why 120gb couldn't hold 3-4hrs

somber remnant
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if thats your boot drive remember that its gonna be like 70gb left after windows

wary mantle
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Has anyone used Memory Extension drives?

normal thistle
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@Meep are u talking about someone else or my post?

iron horizon
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Is this good

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https://listings.emergentsx.com/products/emc-vnx8000-1-petabyte-1000tb-3-rack-plug-n-play-hybrid-storage?variant=32693279457357&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google Shopping

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wary mantle
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nah overpriced

stray swan
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is it possible to move everything from a hard drive to an ssd just by copying everything to it?

wary mantle
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@stray swan sure

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if you mean for moving the OS over you need to use clone software

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like clonezilla

stray swan
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no not the OS

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just moving files and game data

wary mantle
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if its game date you will need to set the mount points in game after

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so it will know where to look for those files

stray swan
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oh ok, thank you

indigo dune
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would an ssd as fast as an mp600 really matter when games are on it only?

minor sun
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no

loud estuary
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I posted this in build chat but it already got burried and I spent like 20 mins writing it up:

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**SSD Considerations: **
• DRAM/HMB: DRAM/HMB is basically ram on your SSD that stores metadata (google it). An SSD without DRAM can get much slower than a HHD as it fills up. HMD allows your SSD to use your system memory for this, but not all systems support it. DRAM/HMB is the pretty much the most important consideration when purchasing an SSD. DRAM >> HMB >>> DRAM-less.
• Bits per cell: SLC (1) > MLC (2) > TLC (3) > QLC (4). TLC is the norm, the more bits per cell, the less durable and fast.
• Interface: NVMe SSD > SATA SSD > HHD. NVMe drives are much faster than SATA SSDs, which are much faster than HHDs. Don't assume all M.2 SSDs are better than Serial ATA. M.2 is just the form factor, they can still be Sata drives and run slower.
• Law of Diminishing Returns: SATA SSDs with DRAM offer tangible speed improvements, but a HHD --> SATA SSD is a much bigger jump in performance than an SSD --> NVME or an NVME --> Gen 4 NVMe. Don't feel that you need to buy the newest Gen 4 NVMe, they don't offer that much more than a good Gen 3
• Brand: Don't shop for a brand, shop for the product. Some brands (AHEM Samsung) make good products but charge a premium for them.
• Speed: Faster is better, but keep in mind the Law of Diminishing Returns.

Use this master spreadsheet to find the above information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

wary mantle
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that is all good info

short lodge
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Pin?

alpine tapir
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Does anyone have a source for the plastic (or metal) stand that holds up external hard drives and hard drive cases? I bought a nice case from Newegg and it came with little plastic stand that I'd like to get a few more for other cases and drives that didn't come with them.

heavy dagger
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Hey looking for help on something. I just bought an Ironwolf drive used. Just guy I bought it from shipped it in possibly the worst pack job ever (wrapped in newspaper loose in a box)

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Im trying to verify that it still works but cant get it to be detected using my external dock

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Anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to see if this thing actually lives

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ah nvm 4th time is the charm I guess. Hooked it up to the other mac and it seems to live.

fringe iris
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Connected to a 4tb HD, boots not to bad if you don't load too many games

grizzled jolt
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what are some decent cheap ssd brands

hollow sphinx
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how cheap are we talking

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ADATA XPG SX850 is a $35 256GB SSD with DRAM

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beyond that i'd go Team MP34

minor sun
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Don't look at brands, look at model

kind sierra
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Any given brand can have good cheap and crap cheap

minor sun
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Team MP34, SN750 for NVMe SSDs

exotic adder
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I'm getting the MP34s

hollow sphinx
minor sun
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Team Vulcan, Team L5 lite 3d for 2.5in

kind sierra
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Basically look for DRAM

hollow sphinx
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good choice for super budget ssd

kind sierra
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If it's nvme, TLC would be good

minor sun
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Look for dram/hmb and TLC

kind sierra
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If you find a PLC or HLC drive, let me know

minor sun
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Read writes don't matter too much if they're similar

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Bob what ever is HLC

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I assume plc is penta

hollow sphinx
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hexa

minor sun
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Ah

hollow sphinx
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prob doesn't exist yet

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but idk

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what is HMB btw

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i've seen some drives with HMB but no DRAM

minor sun
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Don't remember what it stood for, dram replacement that uses system ram

hollow sphinx
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ah

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so it's like how igpu uses system ram for vram?

minor sun
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I believe so

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It's slightly worse in perf

hollow sphinx
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seems bad for budget systems with 8gb ram

minor sun
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But not too bad

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I don't think hmb uses much ram

hollow sphinx
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think i'll just continue to recommend SX850

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DRAM SSD for dirt cheap

open gazelle
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host memory bus

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I think

loud estuary
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I don't think hmb uses much ram
I think HMB only helps with frequently accessed files, so stuff you rarely access would transfer at DRAM-less speeds

somber remnant
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HLC drive

short lodge
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o.0

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only SATA II

red jay
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I’m trying to put my ssd into an ssd tray but I can’t is there anything I need to do to put it in?

rustic mountain
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Old velociraptor drive tray/heatsink makes perfect sata ssd tray for a 3.5” drive bay.

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stuck nacelle
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Is it worth going for the WD SN750 500gb (heatsink) for $95 or just using a Crucial P2 500gb for $65?

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Ok better question

red jay
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@stuck nacelle crucial is fine

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heatsink is more or less useless

stuck nacelle
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WD SN750 with heatsink or WD SN750 without

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because without it's on sale for $69

red jay
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yeah go without

stuck nacelle
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bet bet

plush crag
stuck nacelle
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do those actually work @plush crag ?

plush crag
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Yes?

stuck nacelle
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aight thanks

plush crag
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Though a lot of modern mobo come with nvme heat sinks.

stuck nacelle
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cause i've heard of there being ones that dont do anything for you or even make temps higher

plush crag
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And not every drive in a "normal", consumer workload will throttle at all, or significantly.