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worldly canopy Dec 20, 2019, 3:59 PM

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is there any noticeable difference between WD "Mainstream" vs WD "Blue" ?
I've always heard of Blue, Green, and Black, but not Mainstream.

latent smelt Dec 20, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Just seems like 'everyday computing

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is what it says.

heady raven Dec 20, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@worldly canopy think about the different "types" as being what defines the longevity of the drives (in theory etc etc)

dry root Dec 20, 2019, 4:56 PM

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the longevity and speed

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green and red are 5400rpm

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black, purple, blue are 7200rpm

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in addition black is faster than the other 7200rpm drives

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purple, red are longer longevity

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gold is enterprise class 7200rpm as fast as black and as much longevity as a purple (which is about as much as a red as well)

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oh also green has the same longevity as blue but is just slower

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it's supposed to be some kind of eco friendly thing

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they are good for large storage disks

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mainstream... probably not worth bothering

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cheapest of the cheap

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iirc the mainstream is the white one? and that means it's the disks manufactured on the process inherited from HGST

minor sun Dec 21, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Think I should be fine

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dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Ya

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 4:28 AM

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i'm going to activate again one of these days

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i had activated windows on this PC

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and then tried to reinstall it

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and no activate

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no different hardware

dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 4:29 AM

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Probably have to do it manually

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Phone system

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 4:29 AM

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oh god the phone system

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i remember that

dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Lol!!

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Still works

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 4:32 AM

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well for now things are working, i might try calling them tomorrow, i don't have an actual product key sticker on the PC is the other thing, i just bought it with win10 pro that was bogged down with HP stuff so I decided to reinstall and oops no work

dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Backup partition?

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 4:32 AM

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i'm building my next PC very soon and i will acquire a key for a good proper copy of windows

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no there was nothing of the sort

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also it would have put the HP malware back on my machine

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and yes i go so far as to say malware

dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 4:39 AM

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That's way over stepping it. It can all be removed very easily

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*Overstating

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 5:26 AM

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it's just a pain

dusk turtle Dec 21, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Yeah but it avoids the reactivation

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Gotta decide which is more painful

dry root Dec 21, 2019, 5:27 AM

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and none of it is useful to the user except maybe the driver/software updater because most people don't know how to update stuff and will go years without updates otherwise

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and it's easier to install something rather than do tech support

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in my experience, HP is not great at tech support, having had one of their laptops years ago and being refused support in warranty having not abused the machine at all

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it was probably a bad idea to buy this HP prebuilt in the first place

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in the future it is my own builds and nothing else

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can get tech support on individual parts and the people doing it are much better at tech support than HP and companies like that

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this is supported by a company called AST anyway (no relation to the 80s/90s PC manufacturer)

silent musk Dec 21, 2019, 1:00 PM

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What's a good and cheap 1 TB M.2 SSD

sharp folio Dec 21, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Samsung 860 @silent musk, I wouldn't call it budget but it's good.

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Oh cheap

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Intel 660p

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1.02TB

warm abyss Dec 21, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@silent musk HP EX920 or HP EX950

latent smelt Dec 21, 2019, 3:11 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/intel-660p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167462?Description=m.2 ssd&cm_re=m.2_ssd-_-20-167-462-_-Product

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https://www.newegg.com/mushkin-enhanced-source-1tb/p/N82E16820226888?Description=m.2 ssd&cm_re=m.2_ssd-_-20-226-888-_-Product

rose breach Dec 21, 2019, 3:13 PM

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The intel 665p is also on sale for 125$ roughly

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https://www.newegg.com/intel-665p-series-1tb/p/N82E16820167469

open gazelle Dec 21, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I'd go for EX920 or Mushkin Pilot for the better cache instead of the 660p given the price differences being so small

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 2:01 AM

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yeah

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the 660p also has the problem that if you fill it completely it eats up the SLC cache, which is not protected from being filled by data for some reason

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and without the SLC cache performance tanks

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:09 AM

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@open gazelle if you wanna go here instead i mean that's cool

open gazelle Dec 22, 2019, 4:09 AM

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I mean it's whatever to me. But I feel like it'll ease the nerves of the mods

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:09 AM

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sure

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665p doesn't have 2TB size

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that's unfortunate

open gazelle Dec 22, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Anyways too lazy to look at 665 but probably will do soon
Also look back to image from whelm in other chat for 2tb

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Probs just going to take a bit to hit the market

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:11 AM

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suppose so

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i'll check for it when the time comes to buy an SSD

open gazelle Dec 22, 2019, 4:12 AM

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well that is, if 665 is better than other competitors

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Cuz I mean EX920 and Mushkin Pilot are pretty close in price to 660 already. Sabrent Rocket being better than those for like a small bit more

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:13 AM

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https://blocksandfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Dynamic-SLC-cache.jpg

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665p is unnecessary

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mushkin pilot is a great price for a great SSD

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the Sabrent Rocket as well (i'd avoid the Rocket Q unless i can find evidence of a good cache

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intel has like complete butts cache even in the 665p

open gazelle Dec 22, 2019, 4:15 AM

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well does it have any DRAM cache? Pretty sure 660 doesnt

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:15 AM

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665 doesn't either

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it has a dynamic SLC cache

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it should have a static one

open gazelle Dec 22, 2019, 4:16 AM

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well thought I seen QVO have that as well with DRAM cache to boot

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but idk, my 💩 memory cant do much

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 4:38 AM

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yeah that's no good

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my memory is also 💩 but i demand more performance from my storage

dry root Dec 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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tbh I'm getting an Inland drive probably, I dunno if you were the one who chimed in that their flash was bad but someone corrected it and it's a fast drive with TLC and a traditional DRAM cache for $215

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I trust the brand because I remember them from the age of CF and early SD cards being one of the major players in flash storage

latent smelt Dec 22, 2019, 2:35 PM

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saw that.

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👀

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:07 PM

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where would I find the proper form factor for a storage unit for my rig?

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torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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what does your motherboard have?

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should be able to find a list of supported drive form factors in its specifications or something

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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4 ram slots, 4 memory slots, 3 PCI-E x16 slots, 3 PCI-E x1 slots, 2 m.2 slots,

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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how many SATA ports?

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oh 4

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?

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:22 PM

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mSATA ports?

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none.

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:22 PM

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nah not mSATA

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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ah

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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just regular SATA

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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SATA 6gbs

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torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:23 PM

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6 ports

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that thing could be loaded with drives lmao

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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so yeah

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i went to this

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torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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ah ic

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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im trying to construct the ultimate gaming machine

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these are the best three results.

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according to my filters.

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and terms of compatibility.

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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I'd go with 860 EVO

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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and i install a crap-ton of mods on GTA 5

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so that's another thing

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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and a 7200 rpm hdd of your size/price preference, or two if you want

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:26 PM

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and im looking into the arma-iii modding community as well.

torpid adder Dec 22, 2019, 8:26 PM

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ah

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I'm tryina keep my computer under 500GB so I can migrate to an 860 EVO of that size

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and then format the 900GB drive I have for yummy space

shell mason Dec 22, 2019, 8:27 PM

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ok now i need to find a graphics card

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#graphics-cards

unique pecan Dec 22, 2019, 9:12 PM

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i have a question about an m.2 and compatibillity with a motherboard. The motherboard says it supports a samsung 970 evo plus. It gives a base model number. Howevver, looking up what i have found, the model numbers on the m.2s have extra characters while including that base number. It should be fine. Am i correct? Fyi, the motherboard specs dont mention those extra characters at all.

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cant seem to find an answer hence why i asked here ^^;

unique pecan Dec 22, 2019, 9:40 PM

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Ok i think i get it. It was a region identifier. Did not realize this at all. So yes i should be good to go!

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spent a few hours trying to figure that out x.x i feel silly lol

red jay Dec 23, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Hello! I want a 6TB or higher capacity hard drive. I haven't had any hard drives over 1TB in the past. 1)What are good picks? 2)Is skyhawk / ironwolf good or they're not good, why? 3)What should I know about hard drives to make an educated pick? 📚

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Please just hit me with '@' I'll check your replies deeply

dry root Dec 23, 2019, 8:24 AM

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@red jay do you prefer WD or Seagate? it doesn't matter which you get really

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but for a home PC you want a faster drive

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@red jay https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Ultrastar-HC310-SATA/dp/B07HF2S1DZ i'd recommend this myself, I am sure someone else will chime in

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but this is a good value for money, and is relatively fast

red jay Dec 24, 2019, 8:47 AM

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can someone tell me the dif of a (PCI-Express 3.0 x4, NVMe 1.3) vs a (PCI-Express 3.0 x4) it can be a short explanation lol

dry root Dec 24, 2019, 9:58 AM

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NVMe is by the M.2 connector, PCI Express x4 standard is by the PCI Express 3.0 x4 card slot

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NVMe is much slower and lies flat to the board

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and is only used for disks

honest escarp Dec 24, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Can someone tell me how to fix this?

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connected new hard drive. computer see's it but gives me this error when i try to initialize it

red jay Dec 24, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Uh can you re-write it?

honest escarp Dec 24, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I bought a new hard drive and plugged it in. The connector had broken off so I had to but a connector piece and heat glue it on. I plugged it in today and this id the display i get. It is having issues initializing it in disk management. Do you have an idea why?

red jay Dec 24, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Uh you super glued it? lmao can you return it?

honest escarp Dec 24, 2019, 8:16 PM

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yea i saw a tutorial on youtube

red jay Dec 24, 2019, 8:17 PM

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I would suggest you return it if you have more problems

honest escarp Dec 24, 2019, 8:17 PM

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so you think its the hard drive?

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that is broken?

dry root Dec 24, 2019, 11:29 PM

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the hot glued part is the problem

dire lion Dec 24, 2019, 11:48 PM

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formatting 1 TB drive.... 11%

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Glad I didn't do this for the 2 TB 5400RPM.

dire lion Dec 25, 2019, 1:06 AM

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60%, zzzzz

red jay Dec 25, 2019, 1:50 AM

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m.2 2280/ m.2 22110 etc are physical form factors for drive sizes. You can have a pcie 3.0 x4 ssd like the optane 900p 280 GB AIC.

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Or the same/similar drives in 2.5" form factor using the u.2 connector, still on the pci 3.0 x4 bus.

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From some guy on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/a4kczw
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red jay Dec 25, 2019, 4:29 AM

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@dry root thank you for the response on Hard drives. Appreciated!

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I don't have a preference, my old drive is 1tb. I've loosely decided to go with your pick, but don't be mad if I change my mind 🙂

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@dry root I really love how you pay attention to RPM. logical. I love it

torn hatch Dec 25, 2019, 9:11 AM

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which is better: SSD or HDD

torpid adder Dec 25, 2019, 9:12 AM

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yes

torn hatch Dec 25, 2019, 9:12 AM

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(yes) what?

torpid adder Dec 25, 2019, 9:13 AM

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it depends on what you want to achieve

torn hatch Dec 25, 2019, 9:14 AM

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gaming

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high speed data

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etc.

torpid adder Dec 25, 2019, 9:15 AM

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hdd for video games (because of that $/GB)
ssd for boot drive and any programs you want to be speedy

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that said, you could go ahead and put games on an ssd, games also benefit from a faster drive

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both magnetic and flash storage have their issues

crisp jungle Dec 25, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Is a 970 evo a good 500gb ssd or are there better options?

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It's pretty cheap rn

hazy bobcat Dec 25, 2019, 3:00 PM

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Samsung make great SSDs.

open gazelle Dec 25, 2019, 8:08 PM

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@crisp jungle Is it $65 cheap? Cuz that's how much it is from competitors with SSDs the same perf

crisp jungle Dec 25, 2019, 8:09 PM

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It's $105 CAD

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So not quite $65 USD

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What a good similar perf ssd

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I'll see if I can find cheaper in CAD stores

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I've seen the 660p be used in some builds, hows that one

open gazelle Dec 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Adata 8200sx Pro for $80 cad

unique sapphire Dec 25, 2019, 8:10 PM

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crucial P1 is what im using and its great

open gazelle Dec 25, 2019, 8:11 PM

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660p and P1 are meh. Lack good cache

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@crisp jungle https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/kVzkcf/adata-xpg-sx8200-pro-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-asx8200pnp-512gt-c

unique sapphire Dec 25, 2019, 8:12 PM

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80 wow 20 more for a 1tb

crisp jungle Dec 25, 2019, 8:13 PM

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:o

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Thanks @open gazelle

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:09 AM

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660p and P1 somewhere at the midway point of being full will start degrading in speed

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QLC drives with no DRAM cache are generally bad

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i'd be interested to see what QLC with a DRAM cache would actually perform like

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since all of them have been DRAMless so far

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but the reason they're cheaper is because of that lack of DRAM, not the QLC

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:11 AM

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The 660p has a ddr3L write cache.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:11 AM

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and it still does the slowing way down thing

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665p boldly claims that it doesn't slow down until the 50% point

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intel actually has little images explaining this

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Ya, I think it's ~70GB of SLC cache on a 1TB empty drive (on the 660p). Scales linearly /inverse to utilization %.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:13 AM

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it shouldn't scale though, it should be static and i dunno, they can pay for a bit more QLC

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:13 AM

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Why should it be static? You want a static SLC discrete write cache on a 1TB nvme drive?

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https://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/intel-ssd-660p-dynamic-cache2.png

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:14 AM

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well wouldn't that solve the speed problems that occur with the disk being further written? or am i misunderstanding?

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:14 AM

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^ not usually my go-to for storage reviews but good picture haha

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:15 AM

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i see how it works

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still, being required to keep the disk less than half full to get peak performance

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that doesn't sit well with me at all

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:16 AM

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That's pretty typical of most modern NAND drives - Intel's optane/3d x-point perform well in that regard though.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:17 AM

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so you're saying a standard TLC drive is going to have mechanical hard disk performance with being 80% full or whatever

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:17 AM

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Even with the huge write endurances we see on consumer drives - it's usually just good practice to keep utilization somewhere less than "nearly full" however one defines that lol - remember the drive does implement wear leveling.

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Oh hopefully not, do you mean in i/o or sequential r/w?

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:18 AM

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generally

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660p and the samsung QVO when they hit like 80% become nigh unusable speed

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:19 AM

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Write bandwidth is what suffers most at high utilization ofc

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Any read , 4k random qd1t1 or others, shouldn't care nearly as much I'd think

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:23 AM

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i see

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i care more about reads because i'm going to do more of those

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i still won't buy a DRAMless QLC drive

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Oh, anyway - ya I think 80% would still be usable, but it certainly depends a lot on what one asks from the drive , I think 660p's make great media storage or game drives.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:26 AM

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Still not gonna touch the QLC stuff, probably some cheap TLC NVMe

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:27 AM

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sx8200's are some of the best we saw this year imo.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:29 AM

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looks good

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looking at stuff on anandtech

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i'm thinking of skipping the 2TB SSD and going for a 1TB as i've got a big hard disk to store stuff like media and some other things, all the stuff that takes up a lot of space, whereas i could install games and my OS and whatever programs I use on the SSD (obviously not install my entire steam library, rather install games as i want to play them, and then remove them when done)

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or, remove them when needed

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I/O and transfer speed are going to matter more for that kind of thing than media and other storage

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 7:44 AM

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What mobo/cpu?

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 7:47 AM

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the B450 AORUS I ITX motherboard, CPU will be 2600X

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https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf

GIGABYTE

B450 I AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

AMD B450 AORUS Motherboard with 4+2 Phase IR Digital PWM, Intel® Dual Band 802.11ac Wave2 WIFI, M.2 with Thermal Guard, RGB FUSION 2.0, ALC1220-VB Audio, In...

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because i am bad at giving the actual model name

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 9:08 AM

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@red jay out of curiosity, why did you ask about the motherboard and CPU?

outer bane Dec 26, 2019, 9:18 AM

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probably to make sure he doesnt get gen 4 with an intel

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 9:34 AM

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i'm not going to get gen4, it's more expensive and would not benefit me in any way

outer bane Dec 26, 2019, 9:46 AM

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yeah I just thought that might be why he asked

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 9:58 AM

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could be

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i hope i don't ruin this build

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🙃

red jay Dec 26, 2019, 10:03 AM

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Oh, I just asked because some chipsets/boards can accommodate multiple nvme drives better than others without dropping x16 to the gpu.

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 10:16 AM

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oh, got it

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i'm sure i could be doing better in that regard

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but in reality for any GPU i get x8 is going to be sufficient anyway

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Dumb

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i don't think this board even has two M.2 slots

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further SSDs will have to be SATA which i'm okay with

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i'll get a 2TB SATA and ideally that'll take care of my storage needs

outer bane Dec 26, 2019, 10:19 AM

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1 is enough in my opinion

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 10:19 AM

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can put the mechanical drive out to pasture

outer bane Dec 26, 2019, 10:20 AM

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I have 2 just because and I have a third slot but cant use it because it shares with the gpu

dry root Dec 26, 2019, 10:21 AM

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my board has a socket 1 M.2 slot which is taken up by the wireless card

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along with the socket 3 (normal M.2) for disks

hazy verge Dec 26, 2019, 8:50 PM

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Hi, I’m looking for suggestions regarding an SSD, I’m looking a cheap but reliable 1tb SSD. I’m currently looking at WD Blue or a Samsung. And I’m not sure what my deciding factor is

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I have a Ryzen 5 build if that makes a difference

sick dove Dec 26, 2019, 8:54 PM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=1tb%2Bm.2&qid=1577374029&sr=8-4&th=1

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As an example.

open gazelle Dec 26, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@dry root for Gigabyte just know they have a bad BIOS layout. But they should still have all the features one would expect in their boards

frigid monolith Dec 26, 2019, 10:19 PM

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@hazy verge 2.5" or M.2

hazy verge Dec 27, 2019, 12:22 AM

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idk the difference

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i dont know anything aobut them my brother usually helps me but he is out of town

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 12:31 AM

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a bad BIOS layout?

open gazelle Dec 27, 2019, 1:01 AM

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Settings and options being in sometimes confusing places

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 1:38 AM

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oh

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i'm used to that, do you remember BIOS back in the 90s? they were maddening to navigate.

open gazelle Dec 27, 2019, 2:55 AM

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I was not into PCs back then

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:03 AM

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I need some help getting my raid setup and installing os

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I'm at a loss at this point I've done everything straight out of the manual and nothing is working

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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anyone else want to take this? i've had nothing to do with RAID in all my time building PCs

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Lol

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I've had huge success with my last build but this new one is not having it

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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it's just being a butt, sometimes a PC build will decide to be a butt

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Its being a pain in mine that's for sure....

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:20 AM

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someone else will assist, i'm sure

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i just don't feel comfortable doing so because i know nothing about RAID

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:21 AM

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Well I'm stuck in my bios with no PC till I can figure this out I refuse to give up on my dreams I know this should work

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Lol

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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so you've got the setting somewhere with the chosen RAID configuration in the BIOS but it's not recognizing it when you try to install windows? or what

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Yuuuup

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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do you have a USB disk with the RAID driver for your motherboard ready?

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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Yup

dry root Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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windows should have an option to load the driver

lofty quiver Dec 27, 2019, 3:23 AM

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I go through the 3 step process to install said drivers

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Then windows is like I can't do anything with this

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But it shows up as the one drive ie the raid

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I can't find a reason this shouldn't work

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But I have to be missing something

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If I default my bios and delete the raid both ssds show up for windows install....

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Well if anyone can help that would be nice. Just pm if you can.

edgy pumice Dec 27, 2019, 4:19 PM

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So, my PS4 was using a 2 tb Firecuda 2.5 in SSHD, and the hard drive is toast from trying to close Borderlands 3 with a player in game and a power shut off failure(wouldnt turn off, got unplugged). Not likely to recover that drive, any recommendations on a new one?

hazy bobcat Dec 27, 2019, 4:59 PM

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You need another SSHD ?

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Or will an HDD work

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And what storage size do you need

sick dove Dec 27, 2019, 5:05 PM

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@edgy pumice Nobody really invested in SSHDs except Seagate. They exist but nothing modern at a reasonable price, you're kind of stuck going with the same one if you dont go for an SSD or HDD. For HDD something like a WD blue is your most reliable option. WD black can also give you very good performance with reliability at a still somewhat reasonable price

edgy pumice Dec 27, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Im cool with changing type and mfg. just need a good reference in the 2.5 in range for ps4

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Those sound like what I was researching too.

sick dove Dec 27, 2019, 5:15 PM

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A 2.5" SSD will set you back $50-100 for 1TB and will give you much faster loading times than an SSHD.

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Ive found brand doesnt matter as much with SSDs as hard drives, just listed specs.

edgy pumice Dec 27, 2019, 5:17 PM

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PS4 doesnt exactly do SSD without "extreme methods" involving converters

hazy bobcat Dec 27, 2019, 5:44 PM

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I’m pretty sure it’ll be still at least a tiny bit faster than your SSHD.

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I don’t really know how PS4s work, but if they support SSDs, they are definitely the way to go (to replace your SSHD)

edgy pumice Dec 27, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Its model selective, only the ones that have a housing unit, so the ones above as hdd or the few ssd options that are 180 for a 2 tb. I dont really want to lose space or pay 30 more for half the space

near hemlock Dec 27, 2019, 7:59 PM

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So I currently have a 500 gb m.2 in my laptop and I sorta wanna bring it into my new rig that I’m building. How do I wipe it out before I do so?

dusk turtle Dec 27, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Don't need to. You have the option to Wipe when you reinstall the OS

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Or wipe it after if it won't be the boot drive

wanton void Dec 28, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Can someone help me choose an SSD or M.2?

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Trying to keep this build around 500

burnt ore Dec 28, 2019, 4:15 AM

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I have same problem lol

wanton void Dec 28, 2019, 4:15 AM

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KWfkDx

burnt ore Dec 28, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I ordered a 500gb nvme already but Im afraid its not enough. Idk if I should go for 1tb regular ssd for almost same price or just go with a 1tb hdd

wanton void Dec 28, 2019, 4:17 AM

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im going 2 tb hdd and trying to find a good ssd for windows and a game or two

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okay so, im gonna settle for a 2tb HDD and an SU800 ssd

burnt ore Dec 28, 2019, 4:18 AM

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You know what I'll just go for the 1tb ssd and return the 500gb. I wont use it for high end work anyway and in the event that I do Im only losing out on 10% performance for 20% more cost

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What are you gonna need 2 tb for?

wanton void Dec 28, 2019, 4:19 AM

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games

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some games are already pushing 175gb

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:/

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+Mods

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so

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:V

burnt ore Dec 28, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Imo just stay around 1tb and below. You plan to keep 10 games at once?

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I just play a game and delete it after Im done with it. I guess different peoplw make different choices

hazy bobcat Dec 28, 2019, 4:20 AM

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No GPU in your PCPP ?

minor sun Dec 28, 2019, 4:22 AM

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I don't like t-force ram

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Didn't work at advertised speeds

open gazelle Dec 28, 2019, 4:29 AM

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spend the extra $10 (total of $70) on 3600 CL16 RAM

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and change case to a better airflow one

wary urchin Dec 28, 2019, 6:33 AM

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its been a while since ive been on here

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i have a question

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i just installed my second ssd into my pc, its just for more storage in general

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can someone explain what converting to a dynamic or GPT disk means?

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from what ive found GPT is a newer one

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and my new ssd is only 1tb so im going to convert it to that

wary urchin Dec 28, 2019, 7:07 AM

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though i kinda want just a simple definition of those two things are

dry root Dec 28, 2019, 12:12 PM

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GPTis a good way to go

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dynamic disks are interesting

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you can extend a volume over multiple disks

dusk turtle Dec 28, 2019, 7:37 PM

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OS SSD is at 73%. Time for a new one.

sweet lance Dec 28, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Lol

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Is it sata or nvme

dusk turtle Dec 28, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Sata, 73% life. It's old too

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Like, 3-5 years old

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Plus I want NVME so...that's my excuse to upgrade

open gazelle Dec 28, 2019, 8:48 PM

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That shouldnt be that bad unless you do a lot of writing to it

dusk turtle Dec 28, 2019, 8:49 PM

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OS drive. not a ton of writing but a bit

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Games are on separate SSD's

torpid lagoon Dec 29, 2019, 2:15 AM

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Hello

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Can someone help me

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I have Asus mb and m.2 970 samsung evo is not working

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*not showing up anywhere

outer bane Dec 29, 2019, 5:10 AM

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@torpid lagoon If you havent figured it out yet or gotten help I can help you find it

torpid lagoon Dec 29, 2019, 5:10 AM

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@outer bane

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Plz do

outer bane Dec 29, 2019, 5:11 AM

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ok first download samsung magician software if you havent already

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https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minisite/ssd/product/consumer/magician/

Samsung Semiconductor

Samsung Magician Software | Samsung V-NAND SSD

Samsung Magician software is designed to help you manage your Samsung SSD with a simple, intuitive user interface. Download files & find supported models.

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Magician Software
Version 6.0.0 | 44.5MB DOWNLOAD

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you want this one

torpid lagoon Dec 29, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I haveit

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Doesnt detect my ssd

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U wanna vc?

outer bane Dec 29, 2019, 5:13 AM

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sure

torpid lagoon Dec 29, 2019, 5:20 AM

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📎 image0.jpg

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone knew the best hard drive I could get for my asrock 970A-G3.1 motherboard. I'm not sure if a Samsung 970 EVO Pro is to much hard drive.

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 10:50 AM

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first of all those are NVMe M.2 SSDs

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next: what size do you want?

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 10:51 AM

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I was just looking for improving performance. I have a SSD in there now

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 10:52 AM

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i'll be damned, it has an M.2 slot

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do you have the M.2 slot populated?

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

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From what I understand I will need to move a hard drive for another slot now but the actual M.2 slot is empty

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 10:53 AM

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you won't have to move anything if you use an NVMe drive

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like that samsung

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 10:54 AM

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I just wasn't sure if the motherboard would bottle neck with the transfer rate. I've heard horror stories with upgrading to a M.2 form factor.

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 10:54 AM

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but a 970 EVO Pro is a very expensive performance oriented drive, any way you might be open to something different?

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 10:55 AM

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Well, I was thinking of dropping down to the 970 EVO ie non pro option.

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I was thinking the speed would help with paging

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 10:57 AM

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well paging on your older SSD is probably better

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modern NVMe drives are a little more complicated in how they operate and you could wear the disk out after a while

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:00 AM

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better as in faster or as in lasting longer? I understand SSD's in general have only so many reads/writes but wouldn't the m.2 speed, speed everything up?

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:00 AM

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yes, it would

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:01 AM

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The only thing I was thinking is my motherboards m.2 to slow for the 970 hard drive.

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:02 AM

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let me find something that will definitely work

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it looks like it needs PCIe gen 2

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:03 AM

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yes that is were I start getting lost. I was thinking the slot may be too slow for the hard drive

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:03 AM

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can anyone confirm if this actually matters?

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it might not matter

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:06 AM

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I wasn't sure what PCIe gen they are up to now. I know that the book says it caps out at gen 2x4 or (20gb/s) It looks like the evo runs faster then that.

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:10 AM

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we're at gen3 and gen4

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that one's a gen3

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:11 AM

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ok that is what I thought the hard drive is a bit much for the mother board.

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:13 AM

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@red jay sorry to ping you, but Norm here has an M.2 NVMe slot on his old AM3+ board, and it's PCIe gen 2 x4, and we're trying to figure out if gen3 M.2 NVMe disks will work still, given that the board page says "up to gen2 x4" and that's a bit odd to say "up to"

red jay Dec 29, 2019, 11:15 AM

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No worries, you ask good questoins.

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I've just beeing re-doing my audio set

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 11:15 AM

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fun

formal vapor Dec 29, 2019, 11:34 AM

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is there a gen 2 hard drive that someone could recommend?

red jay Dec 29, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Yep, they'll work

open gazelle Dec 29, 2019, 8:09 PM

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It'll work, but run at gen2 speeds

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@dry root says upto because I've some x2 and x4 PCIe drives. So I assume it's the same for PCIe gen2

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@formal vapor how large do you want you drive to be?

dry root Dec 29, 2019, 8:17 PM

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oh x2 really

heady raven Dec 29, 2019, 8:21 PM

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budget tactic on some models

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and there are also some controllers that just dont use more than x2

dry root Dec 31, 2019, 9:52 AM

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it was also an AM3+ 970 board

crisp belfry Dec 31, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Is it bad that I'm considering getting sata ssds for storage drives?

unique loom Dec 31, 2019, 12:50 PM

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No

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If you have a low budget that's fine

azure dagger Jan 1, 2020, 4:39 AM

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how hard is it to transfer all the files off an SSD to an NVME?

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trying to make an M.2 my boot drive over the SSD i have in it currently

crisp belfry Jan 1, 2020, 10:23 AM

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there's software that can do it pretty well

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if you're going samsung to samsung, then it's very easy

heady raven Jan 1, 2020, 2:45 PM

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@azure dagger macrium reflect makes it fairly simple to do a duplication like that

small stratus Jan 2, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Looking for a good 1tb nvme ssd to use as a steam drive, anyone have any good recs?

frigid bronze Jan 2, 2020, 6:30 PM

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Sabrent Rocket or Inland Premium

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Sabrent

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Inland premium is slower

frigid bronze Jan 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Yeah, Sabrent will be one of the fastest and cheapest NVMe's

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 6:31 PM

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$120 for a 1 TB right now

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Newegg or Amazon

small stratus Jan 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Oh nice.

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For games would it be better to buy QLC or TLC?

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 6:32 PM

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TLC, QLC slows down the more filled up it gets, if I remeber that right

open gazelle Jan 2, 2020, 8:19 PM

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@dusk turtle All drives slow down as they get used up. What mainly determines that is how much free hidden space is left and the cache setup

small stratus Jan 2, 2020, 8:51 PM

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But TLC is still better for gaming right?

open gazelle Jan 2, 2020, 8:57 PM

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TLC and QLC mean little for gaming. It's everything else, the controller, cache, free hidden space, etc

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 9:06 PM

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QLC is worse than TLC though. Slows down even more but if this a Game only SSD vs OS boot, it doesn't matter.

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matter of fact, for games only NVME vs SSD doesn't matter either

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:10 PM

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its the writes that get effected the most @dusk turtle (edit: reads change to writes)

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:35 PM

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i'll use the same drive for boot/games so it's unlikely i'll get QLC

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nobody try to sell me on QLC pls, i can spend the extra $20

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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not trying to sell you on qlc, just a reminder to people in general. You overestimate how much data you actually write to your drives (by a LOT)

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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gonna kill my swap file when i buy my NVMe drive and 32GB RAM

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feels good

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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Why?

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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because the swapping is a lot of writes and i'd rather just not, it slows things down

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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It doesn't slow things down though

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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if you have enough RAM it doesn't matter

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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until you hit that limit and the system just "burps" hard

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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hitting 32GB is definitely something i'm gonna do

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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then keep the swap

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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i'm not gonna hit 32GB

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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then why buy 32?

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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because i want it

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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You'd br surprised without a page file

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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that makes no logical sense @dry root

dusk turtle Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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WIndow unloads programs to page file if they've been minimized a while or not used

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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but that is your choice :)

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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logic does not dictate everything i do

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i'm this weird person who just wants certain things in my PC

heady raven Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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as long as you dont advise other people to follow your logic (without giving them proper context for it)

dry root Jan 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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of course not

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and it's not really logic it's just me wanting a thing

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i'll save the logic for my recommendations

outer bane Jan 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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you just say its so you can fill all the slots for aesthetics

dry root Jan 3, 2020, 1:25 AM

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but that's not why

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it's so i can have 32GB and in the future when things get more demanding i have the option to upgrade my GPU and CPU and leave the rest

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likely CPU first, then GPU

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but a couple years on, i'll already have that 32GB

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and it'll be like 16GB is now

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since 32GB is cheap i have no problem paying for it now

regal summit Jan 3, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Would it be fine if I have 1 nvme ssd for os and games? I don't think i will play more than 3 or 4

crisp jungle Jan 3, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Yeah you could probably live with a 500gb ssd

sick dove Jan 3, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Can anyone identify any meaningful differences between the Sabrent rocket, and sabrent rocket Q?

regal summit Jan 3, 2020, 7:46 PM

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TLC vs qlc

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 7:46 PM

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considering the price, it is most likely QLC

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which as i have mentioned a number of times, really isnt something regular consumers should worry about

regal summit Jan 3, 2020, 7:48 PM

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@heady raven which one would be better if I'm planning on putting my os and games on the ssd and not having a 2nd drive?

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 7:48 PM

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the regular one

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non-q

regal summit Jan 3, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Ok thanks

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 7:49 PM

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np

red jay Jan 3, 2020, 8:23 PM

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Can someone tell me what this means lol. I got a M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3x4 ssd so which would it go to?

📎 image0.jpg

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 8:24 PM

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the m.2 port

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what you are looking at is the "available ports" in different configuration scenarios

red jay Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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so it doesnt matter which m.2 port it goes to? wasnt sure if that page was saying it has to go to a certain one

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 8:25 PM

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normally you go for the one that is closest to the cpu itself

red jay Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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ok, thats what i thought until i saw that page and figured id ask lol thx for the clarification 🙂

heady raven Jan 3, 2020, 8:26 PM

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np, enjoy the drive :)

orchid blaze Jan 3, 2020, 9:06 PM

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Ok so. I have an old windows 10 laptop with about 1.5 Gb of ram. I want to turn it into a NAS server. Anyone wanna help?

dusk turtle Jan 3, 2020, 9:07 PM

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Uh, need a tower for that. laptop drivers are slow. better off getting a NAS box and plugging it into your router/modem

pallid vessel Jan 3, 2020, 11:33 PM

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depends on how much storage you want it to have. you can get some SBC's that do just fine for that and you can even get a little plastic case with 2 3.5" bays and the whole system is no bigger than a shoe box

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 3:53 AM

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@sick dove Lot of people just say that it's QLC vs TLC. But there is also controller and cache to consider as well. I have yet to look into it but I wouldnt be surprised if both of those are worse on the Q

fresh crypt Jan 4, 2020, 10:08 AM

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Hey guys have any of you seen this on a hardrive before mine stopped working we opened it and found this

📎 20200104_204015.jpg 📎 20200104_204012.jpg

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@ornate obsidian

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@open gazelle

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 10:28 AM

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No. Could be damaged platter from read/wrote head scratching on it. Or if that is the backside then could be there to reduce weight while trying to maintain good structure and balance

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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im looking for a ssd any reccomndations

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 4:57 PM

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formfactor?

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 5:01 PM

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2.5

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 5:11 PM

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for 1tb drives, the samsung 860 evo comes in at the upper end of things, it is also not the cheapest. (125ish usd)

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next in line would be something like the Crucial mx500 at 108ish usd

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Lol why Samsung SATA for the price of an NVMe?

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Even the MX500 isn't worth it. Get a SunBow x3 for $81 or so

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 7:26 PM

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@open gazelle as was stated. "it is also not the cheapest".

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I personally dont have experience with sunbow drives. So recommending them would not seem like s solid thing to do.

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I mean have you personally used all the mobos, CPUs, GPUs (specific models), PSUs, etc that you have recommended?

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 7:59 PM

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yes, i have actually

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comes with the work

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if i havnt, i say so

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which also comes with the work i do.

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Well that's cool then

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:03 PM

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it is also why i normally refer to you or bekora when it is not seasonic psu's fx

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because i have just about no experience with those

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I mean I have basically no actual experience with PSUs. Just look at reviews and such. I have very little actual hardware experience

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In comparison to say you or someone who works with hardware

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:06 PM

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the difference is, you have some basis for the statements you make Hei, you have at least read the reviews on those units.

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i have little to no knowledge in the consumer side psu's aside from seasonic and a few sfx silverstone one

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and my personal preference is that i dont mind paying for seasonic units, because i strongly value their warranty and their quality

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I've been a bit worried over some of seasonics popular PSUs. The focus fx has been rumored to have voltage ripple issues. Seems like they were fixed with wires that had some sort of built in cap. Apparently as this specific fix came about even with new models you had to contact Seasonic. Tho now I don't think you have to given what I see with reviews. Also note this rumor info came from people I can trust more than myself on PSUs from LTT server

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:12 PM

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i have not seen anything in the field that i would worry about. (mind, i completely skip the bottom tier of their stuff)

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could you take a look at the list that Astro posted, the psu specifically?

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Yee, took a look

plush crag Jan 4, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Aris advocates for output filter caps to live in the housing vs on the cable - I agree mainly because I hate bulky/stiff cables.

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People like Luke? Ya, he's the PSU guy over there

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:16 PM

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im look in g to spend £50 or less on a ssd

sick dove Jan 4, 2020, 8:19 PM

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£50 will get you a 500gb SSD, that's pretty much it. Sandisk SSD Plus, Crucial MX500, all of them are in the £45-50 catagory

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You can't really go wrong with SSDs from recognisable brands in that price range.

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Ive not seen Kingston SSDs in a while actually, despite owning one, but if you see one of those cheap they're usually pretty good.

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:20 PM

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I mean you kinda can. Kingston a400, Crucial BX500, etc

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:24 PM

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/GbkgXL/kingston-kc600-512-gb-25-solid-state-drive-skc600512g

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:25 PM

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if you are willing to go that much above, grab the mx500 instead @naive willow

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it is 52.25

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Fm848d/seagate-barracuda-compute-500-gb-25-solid-state-drive-za500cm1a002

sick dove Jan 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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Seagate as a whole is an unreliable hole you don't want to go down.

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:36 PM

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B/ref=twister_B081CX9V85?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:37 PM

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if that works for your budget, then go for it @naive willow

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:41 PM

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3rZRFG

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with the radeon 580

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and the crucial mx500

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@open gazelle can you look at that psu specifically, and only that?

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:44 PM

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CX450? All 2017 CX should be the same afaik

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:45 PM

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Q7L7YJ/corsair-cx-2017-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020120-na

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here is psu

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Or not nvm. Not really the same per say. There are two manufacturers for the CX series. You cant choose which one tho. But 450 is equal to 550

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In quality

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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gtg rn be back in 10 20 mins

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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so basically, an okay unit Hei?

open gazelle Jan 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Yeah

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 8:48 PM

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fair

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@naive willow with what Hei said, then yes, what you have listed is fair enough.

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 9:12 PM

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k im back

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 9:13 PM

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see above :)

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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so ive got everything i need now right

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 9:17 PM

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aye, looks like it

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 9:19 PM

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cpu

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memeory

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case

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motherboard

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psu

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gpu

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ssd

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 9:21 PM

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aye, and the cpu cooler is included in the box with the cpu

naive willow Jan 4, 2020, 9:22 PM

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yes

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 9:24 PM

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congratulations on making a list

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now go and spend some money :)

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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can someone help me?

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:21 PM

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if you ask your question, maybe?

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:22 PM

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well my computer wont let me download anything because it says my disk is full but my local disk has a whole 1TB ready for use

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:23 PM

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just checking here, but you are on windows?

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:23 PM

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yep

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:23 PM

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open file explorer

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click "this pc"

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:24 PM

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yea the windows storage or whatever is full but i only have like 1 thing downloaded

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:24 PM

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then congratulations, you have to delete something.

dusk turtle Jan 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Change your download location to the new disc....

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

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yaaaaa how?

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:25 PM

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depends on the browser

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if that is where you are trying to download something?

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:26 PM

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well im using google chrome as my browser

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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upper right, click the 3 dots, select "settings"

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click advanced

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left hand side, click "Downloads"

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the location option is at the top

bold stag Jan 4, 2020, 11:27 PM

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ahhhh i see

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well thank you

heady raven Jan 4, 2020, 11:28 PM

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you are welcome.

gleaming flower Jan 5, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Nvme vs sata ssd is the performance difference worth the price difference for games?

red jay Jan 5, 2020, 7:44 AM

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yes

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watch the video on NVMe vs sata

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NVMe can transfer data at a whopping rate of 6gbs/second

open gazelle Jan 5, 2020, 10:11 AM

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Lol. Games vs datacenter work loads. NVMe is worth it for the latter. But not for the former as you save basically two seconds on load time. Barely anything

frigid monolith Jan 5, 2020, 10:43 AM

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There is a lot of games that you only save .2 to .5 seconds

dry root Jan 5, 2020, 11:13 AM

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In all fairness that is pretty fast

frigid monolith Jan 5, 2020, 11:45 AM

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0.2 seconds is fast?

pallid vessel Jan 5, 2020, 11:48 AM

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idk but it sounds like a speed runners dream especially if the game timer keeps ticking while loading lol

crisp jungle Jan 5, 2020, 11:50 AM

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In open world games where things must be loaded and rendered consistently, an nvme would be nice

pallid vessel Jan 5, 2020, 11:50 AM

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but in all honesty theres really no point in spending the extra money on nvme for gaming. there are a few scenarios where it makes sense but those are typically datacenter and/or NAS type scenarios

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a 2.5" sata ssd wont have any trouble keeping up with that

heady raven Jan 5, 2020, 11:55 AM

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depending on how you select your parts. a nvme like fx the sabrent rocket makes sense.

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example: IF you are buying a samsung evo as the ssd. Then use that money for a nvme instead. price will be fairly close

pallid vessel Jan 5, 2020, 11:57 AM

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lol with samsung youre paying for a name allot like intel

frigid monolith Jan 5, 2020, 12:06 PM

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https://youtu.be/V3AMz-xZ2VM Only like one game in this whole list that is 2 seconds faster on a NVMe and everything else is 0.1 to 0.9 seconds

YouTube

Testing Games

M.2 NVME vs SSD vs HDD Loading Windows and Games

M.2 NVME vs SSD vs HDD Win10 / Game Loading Times

Samsung SSD 860 EVO - https://www.gearbest.com/hdd---ssd/pp_009551735547.html?wid=1349303&lkid=56671149

Games:
Metro Exodus - 00:35
Watch Dogs 2 - 01:24
Far Cry New Dawn - 02:02
Kingdom Come Deliverance - 02:31
Shadow of the...

▶ Play video

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:27 PM

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So I bought a brand new WD Blue drive, 4tb. Plugged in using a known working sata (also tried another) and power cable, drive seems powered up, doesn't show in This PC, doesn't show in device management. Strangely enough I had a pop up in device management mentioning a new drive was found and to set it as MBR or GPT, went for GPT, but then no sign of anything after that.

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Doesn't show up in the bios, can't find anything to enable/disable it in particular.

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First time Ive ever had a drive just not plug in and play, and I don't think its dead.

plush crag Jan 5, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Did you format it

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Diskmgmgt.msc

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:29 PM

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I just said, it doesnt' show up in disk management.

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Not even a marker to indicate the drive exists saying its unallocated or whatever.

plush crag Jan 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Ah, I just read device management

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Shows up in device manager though, identifies correctly, driver seems fine.

crisp jungle Jan 5, 2020, 7:30 PM

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Does ur mobo support uefi and is it enabled?

plush crag Jan 5, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Diskpart?

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:31 PM

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It's bios, not Uefi. I'm testing it on a more potato PC I use for testing because I cant be bothered dragging mine out from under my desk where I have minimal access to get any cables back in in a timely fashion.

crisp jungle Jan 5, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Bios mode does not support gpt

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Sadly

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So that's why you no longer see it

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Its not that I no longer see it in bios specifically which is the problem.

crisp jungle Jan 5, 2020, 7:33 PM

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I think that's still the issue

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I had similar problems with USB drives

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And a friend the same with a new ssd

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It just wouldn't be recognized by neither bios nor windows

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Iirc, you are able to change the format with a few commands in cmd

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But u must Google those as I don't remember them at all :(

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:36 PM

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As far as Ive been able to read up, which agrees with what I remember being correct, Being GPT over MBR is fine on a machine using bios if not being used as a boot drive.

crisp jungle Jan 5, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Hmmm

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ThOnKinG

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 7:40 PM

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I'll just go through the effort of sticking it in a better PC later, one with a Uefi. Just trying to confirm its not dead before sticking it in my build

quick patio Jan 5, 2020, 8:52 PM

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what would yall say is a good amount of storage?

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I already have a 1 terabyte ssd and harddrivew

sick dove Jan 5, 2020, 9:32 PM

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Good storage for.... An at home gaming PC for a few years? 1tb SSD and 2tb HDD can't really go wrong, I went with 4tb HDD as I keep a lot of video media on hand.

rose breach Jan 6, 2020, 11:39 AM

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So the 6tb seagate ironwolf is on sale rn for roughly the same price as the 6tb seagate barracuda. Do y’all think it would be better to get the ironwolf. It’s going to be used for games

torpid adder Jan 6, 2020, 11:45 AM

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Is firewoof a NAS type drive?

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And what rpm are they

rose breach Jan 6, 2020, 11:47 AM

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I meant ironwolf but its a nas drive 7200 rpm

torpid adder Jan 6, 2020, 11:48 AM

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Oh

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Maybe

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Barracuda is about the same rpm unless the higher capacity ones are slower

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Iirc don't nas drives have less read/write head parking?

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Anyway the difference is probably negligible

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Performance wise

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NAS drive should probably last longer as it's made for more frequent usage

rose breach Jan 6, 2020, 11:54 AM

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Hmmm I think I’ll go with the ironwolf then

sick dove Jan 6, 2020, 11:58 AM

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Yeah but its still Seagate, the least reliable drives of all kinds on the market.

plush crag Jan 6, 2020, 6:34 PM

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The backblaze data posted earlier , this https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/What-is-the-most-reliable-hardware-in-our-Puget-Systems-workstations-1550/ - everyone on the servethehome forums, /r/homelab all advocate for judging the model >> maker in priority

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But ya, seagate 7200.11's were bricking as if on a timer

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HGST, recently HP, samsung F3's - all the big OEMs have had their oopsies

heady raven Jan 6, 2020, 6:37 PM

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welcome to statistics and mass production

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it is part of how things work at that scale

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no amount of sticking your head in the sand is going to change that.

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Anyone got a free solution to cloning a drive to another? Its in use from launch (desktop etc are all stored on it) as a main data drive which is the issue.

heady raven Jan 7, 2020, 4:11 PM

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macrium reflect

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https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free

Macrium Software - the creators of Macrium Reflect backup, imaging and cloning software.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 5:02 PM

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is this a good ssd https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-ace-a55-1tb/p/N82E16820301382?Item=N82E16820301382

noble prairie Jan 7, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I need help

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I had a 1TB MX 500 and I added a 1TB Sabrent NVMe. I copied the original drive to the new one, removed the old one, and when I try to boot up it says to select the proper boot device

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Now I installed the old drive again and I get the same message, and I can’t get it to boot up again

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Now I was able to boot up with the old drive using windows boot manager

heady raven Jan 7, 2020, 5:33 PM

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@noble prairie what did you use to copy the mx500 to the sabrent?

noble prairie Jan 7, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Acronis True Image

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I was able to boot up with the MX 500 and am trying to clone it again

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 6:46 PM

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Sabrent Rocket or WD Blue SN550? Both are TLC, WD are giving a 5 year manufacturers warranty, and currently its cheaper

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 7:56 PM

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So I recently installed an SSD into my laptop. It used to just have a 1TB HDD. I've managed to install the OS on my SSD and I use it as my bootdrive. The SSD, however, only has 240GB of space, which is not nearly enough for all my games. On my SSD I just want to have the two games I play the most and my OS. Drivers, programs and documents I want to be on my HDD (D: drive). Does somebody know how to do this?

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📎 JPEG_20200107_205642.jpg

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 7:58 PM

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(You can manually move the files around?)
I don't think its clear what you're asking for

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 7:59 PM

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I want to make my D: drive the main drive where everything gets installed, and where I have all general files. The only things I want on my SSD are two games and the OS

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:01 PM

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I dont know if you can set that to default with a program, but you just manually choose where you want to install games/programs when you install them.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 8:01 PM

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That's not always possible though.

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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How so? I do it with everything

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You can also remap your downloads/desktop/documents etc folders to store on your HDD instead of boot drive

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Oh you want to move the downloads folder?

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I pretty much want to make it so everything automatically gets installed to my HDD instead of SSD, including programs.

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:03 PM

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Manually change the install directory when you do. Every installer lets you.

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 8:05 PM

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(I think you can set windows to make the hard drive the default for any download)

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 8:05 PM

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The only problem I have is that my HDD gets really messy when I do that, because it doesn't automatically create folders like Program Files x86.

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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Something in regedit possibly.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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@minor sun Could you explain how?

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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(idk just I think)

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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https://www.itechtics.com/change-default-installation-folder-windows-10/

iTechtics

Maham Mukhtar

Change Default Installation Folder in Windows 10

When we install new programs on our System, by default they will be installed in System drive which is C drive mostly. The programs which are 32 bit will b

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 8:06 PM

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^this man knows

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Going to try this out. Thanks!

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 8:07 PM

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All I know is how to google very obvious simple questions

minor sun Jan 7, 2020, 8:08 PM

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More than me

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 9:12 PM

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I put a samsung evo m.2 in my shopping cart

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and asrock explain how to install that m.2

open gazelle Jan 7, 2020, 9:24 PM

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Samsung is majorly overpriced. Get 2x the storage for the same price and perf as Samsung

frigid bronze Jan 7, 2020, 10:04 PM

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^This. Sabrent is the best size/performance value

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:04 PM

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which sabrent

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will work with this motherboard https://www.newegg.com/asrock-x570-phantom-gaming-4/p/N82E16813157884?Item=N82E16813157884

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i want to use it as a boot drive

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:06 PM

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The normal Sabrent Rocket.

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Not the rocket Q.

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https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sabrent-Rocket-Internal-Performance-SB-ROCKET-1TB/dp/B07LGF54XR/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=1tb%2Bm.2&qid=1578080590&s=computers&sr=1-4&th=1

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I just happened to have this link open, youll need to find it on your country's pages.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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what about sata cables

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for my other devices

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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What about them?

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If you need them, buy them on ebay. I got a 4 pack for under £5

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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how long should they be for a full atx case

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:07 PM

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£3.58 for 4 50cm sata 3 locking plug cables.

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50cm is more than enough

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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how long in inches

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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If they're too short you're screwed, they can't be too long because you can always cable manage them unless its ridiculous

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Thats like 20 inches or so

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:08 PM

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so 18 to 20 should be fine

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:09 PM

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Yeah

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📎 unknown.png

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I see ones like this on US ebay, should be more than fine

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I got mine in black for my build ofc

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:10 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812119904?Item=N82E16812119904

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Yeah those will do.

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Its not a bad price

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:11 PM

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https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16812422653?Item=N82E16812422653

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:11 PM

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I get the picture, they're sata 3 cables.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:12 PM

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under $4

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for 3

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Well the rosewills are yes, the coboc is one on its own

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I cant tell the prices, Newegg redirects me to my local currency

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:12 PM

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im using a computer and it doesnt show the picture just the link when i send it

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when you send stuff it shows the picture

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is this a good liquid cooler https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835181141?Item=N82E16835181141

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:13 PM

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Well its an AIO.

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Do you want looks or performance?

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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looks

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and performance

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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Get the RGB edition of the h100i

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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send the link

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:14 PM

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They're actually available on that link

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You can select a different model in the options

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:15 PM

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i dont want to keep raising the price

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im at $1300 right now

small steppeBOT Jan 7, 2020, 11:16 PM

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PlusNomad#9804 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:17 PM

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@undone dune Can you check what word I used there please?

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:18 PM

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so i can use the sabrent as a boot drive

undone dune Jan 7, 2020, 11:19 PM

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alternative word for poop

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Oh, didn't realise I included one

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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@sick dove can i use the m.2 to install windows

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:27 PM

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You can install windows on it, yes.

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M.2 drives with around the 2000mb/s speed are the best drives you can really install windows on to boot from atm.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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do i just put the disc in and it will show the drive

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Well, pci 4 having faster versions

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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the one you told me to buy the sebrant rocket

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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You should be able to boot from a CD drive? I think? I havent installed a copy of windows by disk since windows XP, and Ive installed 50+ copies by USB

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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thats what i mean

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i install from usb a lot faster

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Not a clue, installing by disk is outdated technology to me

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Install by USB

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Boot from the USB and it should show the sabrent rocket as a volume you can install windows to when you get to that point in the installer

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:29 PM

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im using windows 1909

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Took me a minute to realise that was a version of windows 10.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:30 PM

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my computer kept freezing for no reason out of nowhere so i removed a stick of ram and no more freezing

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so i went from 16gigs to 8gigs

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i guess a bad stick of ram

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ddr3 1866 hyper x

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Probably, can be DOA. Can return the kit pretty easily probably. Check in the bios though, make sure it comes up saying you only have 8gb when both are installed to confirm one is dead

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Ouch DDR3, probably old.

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:31 PM

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it showed 16gigs but once i removed the bad stick no more freezing

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it hasnt froze since i removed that ram stick

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ive had the ram since i built this computer which was last year

sick dove Jan 7, 2020, 11:33 PM

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If its a new problem then its probably just been dying. Every other reason for it to cause freezing I can think of would have been obvious when you first installed it

red jay Jan 7, 2020, 11:34 PM

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im contacting them to see if they will send me a new stick

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i even reinstalled it still froze

kind cape Jan 8, 2020, 1:50 AM

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@sick dove I am booting from a 5000 mb/s T-Force Cardea Zero Z440

wise spade Jan 8, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Hello all. Happy New Year! A quick question for you guys I built my own rig and ran into 1 issues. My MSI x570 Edge Wifi doesnt read anything in my M.2 Slot 1. I have 2 Samsung 860 Evo and a WD 2TB drive. Everything works except slot 1. What could be the issue? Its doesn't show in BIOS or Disk Management. Possible Settings? Thank you in advance.

dry root Jan 8, 2020, 11:54 AM

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did you try reseating the NVMe drive in your M.2 slot

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and screwing it down extra tight after inserting it snugly

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this is the cause of so many hardware problems

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i'm going to sleep now so feel free to continue asking questions, i just might not get to answer them

open gazelle Jan 8, 2020, 4:16 PM

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In BIOS set the M2 slot to PCIe or SATA. Don't remember that specific drive and which protocol it is. Also some SATA ports get disabled when the M2 port has something in it. I never heard of this being the other way around but... Maybe?

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Maybe remove everything that you don't need to post (all drives but the M2, whatever else there is) and then check?

dusk turtle Jan 8, 2020, 4:39 PM

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M.2 slot one goes directly to the CPU. What CPU is in this board? I suspect it's not recognizing it because you're using a SATA M.2 instead of an NVME

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@wise spade

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Confirmed that on x570 the M.2 SLot 1 needs to be NVME only as it connects directly to the CPU via PCI-E lanes. SATA only works in M.2 Slot 2.

wise spade Jan 8, 2020, 8:56 PM

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@dusk turtle thank you for the clarification. Is there one suggested that will work well?

dusk turtle Jan 8, 2020, 9:33 PM

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Any nvme drive will work in slot one. I personally recommend the sabrent rocket 1tb. $119 for a fast 1 tb drive..

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Also just to confirm, the 860 Evo are the m. Two drives you're trying to use on this motherboard?

wise spade Jan 8, 2020, 10:21 PM

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The 860 evos are b and m keys.

open gazelle Jan 8, 2020, 11:13 PM

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the evos are M2 as well?

dusk turtle Jan 8, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Yeah, B+M keys are SATA drives, which explains why it doesn't work in slot one. You'll need a true NVME drive which is M keyed to have it work in that slot.

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📎 m.png

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@wise spade

open gazelle Jan 8, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Should be SATA and PCIe compatible should it not?

dusk turtle Jan 8, 2020, 11:23 PM

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not on x570. The M.2-1 slot connects directly to the CPU via PCI-E. The M.2-2 slot goes to the mobo controller. Mobo controller is Sata compatible, CPU is not.

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So while it's physically compatible with the connector, it's not electrically compatible.

rotund nexus Jan 9, 2020, 2:52 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0

Google Docs

SSDs

Master List

Brand,Model,Interface,Form Factor,Capacities,Controller,Configuration,DRAM,HMB,NAND Brand,NAND Type,2D/3D NAND,Layers,R/W (Up to, in MB/s),Categories,Notes (),Product Page,Product Page 2,Product Page 3
ADATA,S40G,4x PCIe 3.0/NVMe,M.2,256GB-1TB,Realtek RTS5762,D...

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@keen urchin wanna pin that?

keen urchin Jan 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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why not

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rotund nexus Jan 9, 2020, 2:53 AM

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seems fitting

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😄

minor sun Jan 9, 2020, 2:59 AM

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wait a second so in reality

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Corsair MP510 would be the same perf as Sabrent rocket

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same controller same memory tlc same layers nearly identical r/w

wise spade Jan 9, 2020, 8:37 AM

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@dusk turtle Thank you very much for the clarification.

plush crag Jan 9, 2020, 10:17 AM

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scrolled through - m.2's almost always route to chipset lanes in z170/2390?

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Did you guys handle it?

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Some bios have the choice - moreso when there are >2 m.2 slots , even on an x570 platform.

silent musk Jan 9, 2020, 10:24 PM

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Is one screw enough for a 3.5 inch hdd to keep it from moving if it's on a rack

dusk turtle Jan 9, 2020, 10:27 PM

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2 preferably but one will work

silent musk Jan 9, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Is this important, it snapped off when I was doing the pci brackets

📎 JPEG_20200109_173616.jpg

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Hard to tell, srry

sick dove Jan 9, 2020, 10:40 PM

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What did it pop off from?

heady raven Jan 9, 2020, 10:45 PM

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looks like one of the wings from a "lock" on a pci-e slot

silent musk Jan 9, 2020, 10:55 PM

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No it was a good thing on the mobo itslef

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But.....

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It just posted

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Now I need to manage some cables

harsh berry Jan 10, 2020, 1:03 AM

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What is better gpt of mbr

minor sun Jan 10, 2020, 1:14 AM

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@harsh berry what

open gazelle Jan 10, 2020, 2:15 AM

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@minor sun GUID Partition Table vs Master Boot Record

minor sun Jan 10, 2020, 2:15 AM

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ah

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you answer it then

open gazelle Jan 10, 2020, 2:16 AM

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dont know

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just know the names

minor sun Jan 10, 2020, 2:16 AM

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looked like wrong spelling to me lol

open gazelle Jan 10, 2020, 2:16 AM

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yeah, took me a sec to remember. Only noticed cuz I remembered MBR

dusk turtle Jan 10, 2020, 2:16 AM

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MBR is legacy boot

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GPT is UEFI boot

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GPT should be used with Windows 10

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but doesn't have to be

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MBR is limited to 2 TB partitions though, so for big drives you have to use GPT

red jay Jan 10, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Dose anyone know what speeds i should expect 4 gen 4 drives in raid?https://www.newegg.com/sabrent-rocket-nvme-4-0-1tb/p/1Z4-00H3-00016?Item=9SIAME8AP27964

red jay Jan 10, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Anyone else have problem with seagate HDD not showing up on benchmark

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Or is it just me

plush crag Jan 11, 2020, 1:03 AM

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GPT

red jay Jan 11, 2020, 2:23 AM

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if anyone interested in gen 4 drives in raid 0 speeds https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585800283909521418/665370259074711563/image0.jpg

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its 4x16 with addon card

keen urchin Jan 11, 2020, 3:54 AM

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hooollllyyy crap

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that is insane

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i thought my 1800 was fast okay

open gazelle Jan 11, 2020, 5:45 AM

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I mean you can do RAM cache to get those seq read/writes

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Tho of course you'd want a decent amount of RAM before trying to use it as cache for the SSD

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As you're also running your system on it

hollow sphinx Jan 11, 2020, 7:43 PM

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anyone here have experience using a laptop hard drive in a desktop?

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any recommended adapters?

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https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Desktop-Converter-Mounting-BK-PCBS/dp/B00UN550AC

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i was looking at this one from sabrent

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F3QFKNS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A2Y9R0VEAYJBWE&psc=1

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or this generic one

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how much does it matter to cheap out $2.50 here? lol

open gazelle Jan 12, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I mean most desktops should have a 2.5" for SSDs, which you can put laptop drives in

small stratus Jan 12, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Can someone recommend a good NVME PCIE SSD? Looking to use it for games exclusively, my WD BLUE is running out of space, looking to spend $100 or less.

minor sun Jan 12, 2020, 6:51 AM

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Sabrent rocket

open gazelle Jan 12, 2020, 9:19 AM

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Last I checked the rocket increased ln price, now $130. So that is a decent amount over the budget

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Probs HP EX920 or Mushkin Pilot

minor sun Jan 12, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Huh

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Mp610 might be worth if its cheap

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510*

open gazelle Jan 12, 2020, 11:53 PM

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All NVMe has taken a price increase. Right now I think a cheap okay NVMe is Kingston a2000 (I think). That is $110. Any legitimate decent one like the Rocket would be $130. SATA is still same price with being $81 for 1tb

sick dove Jan 13, 2020, 12:00 AM

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https://hothardware.com/news/heres-why-ssd-pricing-skyrocket-2020

HotHardware

Here's Why SSD Pricing Could Skyrocket In 2020, But Here’s Hopin...

Analysts are predicting a rise in NAND flash memory pricing, which would drive up the cost of SSDs.

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I remember hearing about a NAND thing going on, never looked it up til now.

red jay Jan 13, 2020, 12:01 AM

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interesting

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idk just could be another case where memory makers price fixing again

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just doing it with nand this time

torpid adder Jan 13, 2020, 12:03 AM

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aw crap

red jay Jan 13, 2020, 12:04 AM

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That one thing about having only 3 memory makers if wanna be pricks they can with pricing

hollow sphinx Jan 13, 2020, 12:54 AM

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@open gazelle so i don't need any adapter or anything? like to account for a voltage difference or different connectors or anything?

open gazelle Jan 13, 2020, 1:01 AM

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@hollow sphinx no

hollow sphinx Jan 13, 2020, 1:09 AM

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okay nice when i get home from work i'll take apart my laptop and see if i can just plug the drive in

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i believe the interface is sata 3

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https://www.disctech.com/Seagate-ST2000LM007-2TB-SATA-Hard-Drive

DiscTech

Seagate ST2000LM007 2TB SATA Hard Drive

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this drive doesn't exactly look the same but it has the same model number

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so i am assuming that the one in my laptop is just an OEM part without the sticker or something

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it says my case has 2 2.5 inch bays

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so hopefully it'll just work

copper mural Jan 13, 2020, 4:04 AM

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So guys I’m thinking of building a pc from scratch, and was wondering what y’all thought of corsairs force le SSDs as well as intels SSDs

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The intel SSD is part of the 530 series if that helps at all

hollow sphinx Jan 13, 2020, 6:28 AM

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@open gazelle alright thanks i had to get a little creative to secure the modified drive but now it works without a hitch

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the drive was modded specifically to fit the laptop it came from

compact osprey Jan 13, 2020, 8:06 PM

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I'm trying to power that SATA drive sitting there on the right. Can I use these 6 pin PCI for that?

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heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:38 PM

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no

compact osprey Jan 13, 2020, 8:40 PM

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@heady raven 😦 It measures 12v DC on both of those 6 pin. Where do I power my new SATA drive if not there? Thanks for the help!

old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:41 PM

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I have an AMD Athlon II X4 620 Processor (4 CPUs) ~2.6GHz. I would like to know what SSD to instal to make Windows 10 improve performance.

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:42 PM

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@compact osprey from the actual sata power connectors that are tucked away behind the shroud

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just about any ssd will do the trick for you @old spear, what is the budget?

compact osprey Jan 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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@heady raven that actually makes me happy. Under this shroud?

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old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:44 PM

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75.00.

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:45 PM

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aye, that looks like a normal powersupply shroud. (just to make things easier on you, what case model is that?)

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@old spear what currency?

old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Centurion Cooler Master, American Dollars.

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:46 PM

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@compact osprey

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the case question was for you :)

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@old spear give me a moment

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Ima make a guess and uh Sabrent rocket 500gb should be at about that price if you're looking into nvme m.2 drives

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:48 PM

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@old spear https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LRkj4D/western-digital-blue-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-wds500g2b0a

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@minor sun he isnt, too old

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(that cpu is from 2009)

old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Should I upgrade my cpu?

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:51 PM

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yes

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:51 PM

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if you dont need a faster machine? no. dont upgrade it

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:51 PM

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does depend on use

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:51 PM

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the ssd will give it a fair amount of boost

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 8:51 PM

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What socket is that?

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:52 PM

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am3

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 8:52 PM

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So does he have enough upgradability on that board do you think?

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:52 PM

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that is a complex question to answer without asking him what he needs first :)

old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:53 PM

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I do basic stuff, no gaming.

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 8:53 PM

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Alright. (I was just thinking 75$ shouldnt be enough for another board+cpu, but idk am3 cpu prices or anything like that)

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:54 PM

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am3 is a dead platform, and has been for a number of years.

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:54 PM

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if you are just browsing the web and typing up some word docs I would not upgrade anything but getting a ssd

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Yea.

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:55 PM

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@old spear grab the ssd i linked, that should do the trick for you for a while

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:55 PM

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am3 is still sata 3 right?

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:55 PM

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aye Nilboggen

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and it is backwards compatible anyway :)

old spear Jan 13, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Thanks all for all the help. Bye

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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best of luck @old spear and you are very welcome

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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true story but I saw that linus video where he put a ssd on sata 2 and windows load time stayed exactly the same lol

heady raven Jan 13, 2020, 8:56 PM

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yes/no

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cannot comment otherwise without knowing all the details of the setup

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its a complicated topic at the best of times

outer bane Jan 13, 2020, 8:57 PM

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did still improve download/transfer speeds

fleet compass Jan 13, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Have a question:
I bought a Teamgroup ssd 240GB to go with my kingston 240gb ssd(this is where all my os is). So the question is does each SSD need to be connected with their own power supply data cable? because I have it connected to the same data cable that is connected to my kingston ssd but the Teamgroup ssd isn't reading the capacity. It shows that its there but still have the same amount of free space I use to

minor sun Jan 13, 2020, 9:24 PM

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The power supply power cable should be fine when shared, idk any shated data cable... try not to have a shared data cable?

fleet compass Jan 13, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Sorry about that, disregard the "data" cable. I meant the power cable. Ok thats what I imagined since the power cable has for multiple connections. I have the Kingston on sata2 and the TeamGroup on sata3. But still doesn't give me the extra ~240GB from the TeamGroup

dusk turtle Jan 13, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Windows disk management, allocate the space

fleet compass Jan 13, 2020, 9:37 PM

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Thank you, was literally just watching a video on it as you messaged.

dusk turtle Jan 13, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Noice!

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yoo

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so I'm looking at 500 GB SATA SSDs to replace my hdd as boot drive

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is there any better/worse when it comes to this stuff?

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brand or what have you?

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:35 AM

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https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-blue-500gb/p/N82E16820250087?Item=N82E16820250087

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something like this would be fine

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I try to stick with name brands but people have been having good luck with new brands especially in the nvme market

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Crucial, Mushkin, and Kingston should all be fine as well

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Samsungs are great usually faster but cost more

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:38 AM

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Ok

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Thanks

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I'll probably go with Crucial

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I have to get a weird drive bracket to fit it in my case

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The screws are in this wide rectangle

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:: kinda like two colons next to each other

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: :

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Or further apart

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:43 AM

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that should be fine

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:43 AM

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When cloning a drive, do I need to take into account the drive partition size?

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Say a 900GB partition down to a partition size that fits on a 500GB drive

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I believe there's only one partition on my disk

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:45 AM

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no it shouldnt cause any issues

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Ok

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I shrunk it down from roughly 471 to 401 GB recently to fit

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:46 AM

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thats going to be tight

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would move some of that back to the 900gb once cloned

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Yeah I'll do that

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:48 AM

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after provisioning and what not you should have around 415-420gb on that 500gb drive to use

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Ah

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:50 AM

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like my samsung 860 500gb has 417gb of usable space

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:50 AM

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ic

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 3:51 AM

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but you dont have to provision until you move things

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at that point you will have like 460-465gb

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:52 AM

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oo

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What changes between the 415/420 and the 460/465?

iron tree Jan 15, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Why provision/ partition any ssd?

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Other than dual boot use etc -

torpid adder Jan 15, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Well you have to have at least one partition

iron tree Jan 15, 2020, 4:05 AM

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Lol, truth. EFI bcd - then MS likes to put in it's own recovery RE, etc, then a bit at the end

outer bane Jan 15, 2020, 4:17 AM

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I provision because the magician software told me to ☺️

upbeat dune Jan 16, 2020, 8:26 AM

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I have a 240gb ssd far from being full and a 2tb hdd but I'm wondering if I should invest in an m.2 peepoInvestigate

dry root Jan 16, 2020, 10:35 AM

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invest in a bigger NVMe drive

sick dove Jan 16, 2020, 10:57 AM

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So far Im enjoying an NVME drive, installing a lot of games I play, and a lot I even dont, not half full yet (1tb drive). Worth every penny. For games like Sea of thieves it makes very little difference but 7days, Metro exodus etc its huge.

red jay Jan 16, 2020, 10:07 PM

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Any one know a good ssd 200 gigs
SATA

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Pritty cheep

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Plz @ me I WILL NOT SEE IT IF U DONT

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@here

terse drum Jan 17, 2020, 12:59 AM

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how cheap

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@red jay

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Adata 240gb ssd $30 / £28 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PLNNDL2/https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B075R9X8BR

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WD Blue 250gb $48 / £39 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073SB2MXW/https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073SB2MXW

red jay Jan 17, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Thx

open gazelle Jan 17, 2020, 3:40 AM

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@terse drum Dont recommend the Adata SSD, isnt good for the price

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Tis is DRAM-less and doesnt have HMB to make up for that

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@red jay I'd go for the Sunbow X3 due to the cache setup and pricing over the Adata and WD Blue. Still $30
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B073W3QX2J?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

terse drum Jan 17, 2020, 3:25 PM

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They wanted as cheap as possible tho

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Shrug

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i couldnt find something like that as i was looking from uk amazon and i guess they dont list it there

red jay Jan 17, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I’m in us so ya

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Thx guys

dry root Jan 18, 2020, 6:31 AM

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i'm looking at 10TB HDs

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toshiba has an interesting one which has a NAND write cache, so it retains the information in the write cache on power loss

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it seems fast enough without DRAM, 249MB/sec

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:18 AM

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U will never need 10 terabytes

upper quiver Jan 18, 2020, 7:20 AM

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you say that, but dont realize to what extent some people are data hoarders

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if I had a reliable 10TB drive 3 years ago, it would be full rn lmao

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i would have gotten a second one

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:22 AM

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I have a Xbox 1 s with 1tb and I’ve hade it 2years ad I haven’t even used half

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I don’t get it

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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wel... xbox and a desktop are vastly different

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I know

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Do you store anything else other then games on the xbox?

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Apps

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:23 AM

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Which on average are how big (I dont own one so idk)?

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:24 AM

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28 gigs

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Wait what? What apps are 28gb?

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not games

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:24 AM

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O

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H

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Lol

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10gigs like Skype and some others

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Right, my point for all of this is that 99% of it is just games on an xbox. A PC doesnt have to be just games, it can be basically anything

upper quiver Jan 18, 2020, 7:26 AM

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like disk images

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Ok

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I forgot

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I have a laptop

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That’s 1tb had it. Year not haven’t even used half of disk space

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I’m not going to argue

open gazelle Jan 18, 2020, 7:30 AM

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I mean I have a 1x 512gb NVMe, 2x 1tb HDDs, and 1x 1tb SATA SSD. Im a semi data hoarder, Used up about 1.6tb so far. Havent used SATA SSD yet at all as it's a few weeks old

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If I had more storage I'd have used up more due to just not uninstalling games, cuz idk

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But I mean, all in all, it depends on the person. Some people cant even fathom why you'd need more then a tb of data while some are just like "I nEeD 10tB oF StoRAge"

red jay Jan 18, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Ok

dry root Jan 18, 2020, 10:09 AM

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it's not about need

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it's about the one area in which you can truly "future-proof" your system

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at least for a while

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and that 10TB disk will go from system to system over years

dry root Jan 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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also i just had a conversation with a friend

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and a $555 16TB drive came up

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and also the plans right now to create 20TB drives