storage-devices

[blazing musk]

From what I can see it should be safe to delete D and E

[analog goblet]

Okay

[blazing musk]

The OS will tell you if you try to do something dangerous, like deleting the current boot files

[analog goblet]

Yep

Now it's not showing up full tho...

[blazing musk]

You can extend the partitions again

[analog goblet]

I did that and it didn't work the way it did the first time

[blazing musk]

The way it is now you can extend G

It might show a warning about moving the start of the partition, you can ignore that since you don't have any data on the drive and you're not booting off it

[analog goblet]

Okay, idk why it's showing like this in disk management

But file explorer looks like this

So visually it may be good, but internally it's messed up 🤣

[blazing musk]

Oh I think I know what it did

It extended them logically instead of physically

[analog goblet]

Oof, is there any way around that?

[blazing musk]

Ok we'll do it the hard way

Open up an admin terminal

[analog goblet]

Lol oh boy

Command prompt?

[blazing musk]

From what I can see there's no data on either of those drives, correct?

yes

[analog goblet]

Yes

[blazing musk]

Ok, in that command prompt
dispart
list disk
and make sure the drive numbers match disk management, they should

You'll be able to tell from the drive sizes

So disk 2 would be the one with Windows on it currently

[analog goblet]

It's not recognized

[blazing musk]

Oops I mistyped

diskpart

Missed the k

[analog goblet]

All good

[blazing musk]

Perfect

select disk 0
clean

[analog goblet]

It's cleaned

[blazing musk]

convert gpt

create partition primary

format ntfs

[blazing musk]

format fs=ntfs

That's what I get for doing it from memory

[analog goblet]

Aye that's pretty good from memory tho lol

And I'm guessing it takes a while? Lol

[blazing musk]

Yes

[analog goblet]

Okay lol

And what do I do with the missing disk in disk management?

The original drive that now says failed

[blazing musk]

Give it time to format, close disk management for now

[analog goblet]

Okay

[blazing musk]

You should be able to run 2 windows in parallel to do both drives at once

As long as your CPU can keep up

Here's the commands for the next drive once you're back
select disk 1
clean
convert gpt
create partition primary
format fs=ntfs quick
That should go faster with the quick flag

[worn trail]

Hello,

My friend has a laptop (Model: G513QY-SG15.R96800) from ROG that she wants to add a new drive to.

I am hoping a storage wizz could recommend some compatible drives for her.

She uses the laptop for running Unreal Engine 5.4, Modeling + rendering in Blender, gaming on Ark Survival Ascended and Fortnite.

Budget is around $50-100.

[pulsar solar]

@worn trail

what size drive

[worn trail]

It should support 2x NVMe but I can't say for sure. Same goes for length of the drive that's what I was hoping someone could help out with here.

[pulsar solar]

what size does your friend want

that pc only supports 2230 anyways

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HmcgXL/patriot-vp4000-mini-1-tb-m2-2230-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-vp4000m1tbm23

this is

meh

but it fits

[worn trail]

just me or does that seem very small?

But thank you, so 2230 only?

[pulsar solar]

im pretty sure 2230 only

[small carbon]

pro tip, means 22mm wide x 30mm long.

[round shoal]

What would be a good choice for external storage for backup?

[cloud kiln]

I assume you're asking about like a DAS aka external HDD or SSD, but for backups, I would recommend getting a NAS, or building one, and having some sort of redundancy protection on it so you won't lose all your data

Main reasons why I don't recommend external drives for backups is that they are easy to drop, easy to lose, and easy to steal, and have no redundancy
Compared to a nas which has none of those issues (at least if you configure it to have redundancy)

[blazing musk]

What's your budget?

[elfin depot]

I got a new sdd that i use now as main disk? At least the disk that have the system on

I also have 2 other hdds on with games

How do i use or activate the games that already on the disk

[cloud kiln]

steam? set that folder of the games to being steam library folders

[elfin depot]

Yeah i figured it out on steam

But idk what to with elder scroll and epic games

Or rockstar

[cloud kiln]

i think for epic, you have to attempt to download each game to the folder for it to realize that you have the game

unsure about rockstar though

[worn trail]

Ty.

[fast pier]

hello can anyone help me on why my M.2 driver just stop reading and not popping up anymore 😭

[cloud kiln]

try reseating i guess? drive might just be dead even idk

[floral stratus]

Is this a good option for $63?

[dense merlin]

I'd grab the g50 instead

It's a minor difference but the g50 is a bit nicer

Tlc vs qlc

[floral stratus]

G50?

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XB9wrH/teamgroup-t-force-g50-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffe001t0c129

[floral stratus]

Thank you 👌

[floral stratus]

Ok what's the easiest and free way to clone my current SSD to a new SSD?

Macrium reflect still the app to go?

Looks like my Samsung SSD croaked due to the software glitch

[formal tusk]

Yep

Also kek

[cloud kiln]

clonezilla my beloved

[woeful solar]

What happened to Samsung SSDs bro

[dense merlin]

Samsung happened

[woeful solar]

Tru

[blazing musk]

They put out a bunch of bad firmware versions and mid products, apparently deciding to cash out on their reputation.

[cloud kiln]

And then it backfired

[woeful solar]

Deserved

[indigo arch]

Most of the drives in my PC are Samsung ones. Is there something i should be worried about here? I wasn't aware of issues with them until i came onto this chat and see the last conversation that was had

[dense merlin]

They had a bad firmware that was killing them, but unless you've gotten any fairly recently, you likely would've ran into issues by now

Still can't hurt to update, I believe it affected 980 pro, 980 evo, and 990 variants?

Could've been some 970 variants too I'm not sure

[indigo arch]

Oh ok then. I'll be fine. Mine are all over like 1+ years at this point

[dense merlin]

Yeah they would've been kaput by now if you got any bad ones

Other than that samsung is just overpriced

[formal tusk]

Not exactly

I would update if you had 970 evo plus, 980 pro, 990 pro, 990 evo

[indigo arch]

I do want to update the drives in my PC though
I did ask about ideas recently in this chat but got alot of different ideas but nothing that was really a hell yeah this one is good

[formal tusk]

Sorry only 3

I would update

They could be fine now

But the candle is burning

[indigo arch]

I have 970evo, 970evo plus and 860evos. Bought them a few years ago now

[formal tusk]

Evo plus I would check

They added 980 pro controller to one revision

So it's possible

They were never listed as affected, but I like to be careful

[indigo arch]

Samsung were the good ones when i was initially building my PC which is why i have them. But i have learned that they have since not been the good ones anymore. So i would like to change over, but not sure what to change to 😂

[formal tusk]

980 pro, 990pro are the affected lineup, evo plus just shares 980 pro parts

[dense merlin]

As long as something is working, don't fix it (aside from updating firmware on the 970)

[formal tusk]

[dense merlin]

I wouldnt replace all of your ssds just because samsung had a recent issue, every brand at some point or another has some some big issue

[formal tusk]

Yep

[indigo arch]

tbh i could probably do with updating my mobo and CPU as well seeing as thats a little behind now
mobo is an asrock z370 pro4 with i7 8700k CPU

[dense merlin]

Depends what you want to spend

Also what size do all your ssds add up to?

[formal tusk]

8700K is still quite competent

[indigo arch]

Na i didnt want to do it just because of the issue i read about. Was thinking about changing up before i even knew about it

[dense merlin]

Why then?

[indigo arch]

I thought it was still a pretty good contender actually tbh. I just know my mobo is a little lacking in some of the modern features. Just hoping that if i change the mobo i can get something that still supports that CPU

[formal tusk]

I still use 970's in my 4090 system

[dense merlin]

You couldn't

[formal tusk]

They're good ssds honestly

Even now

[dense merlin]

However decent mobos are much cheaper than you probably remember

[formal tusk]

I would keep them, maybe upcycle into one more new one

[dense merlin]

You can get a mobo better than that one under £150

[formal tusk]

Not worth swapping them all really

Not gonna change your current pc gaming experience

[dense merlin]

I mean, 8700k to 7600 is around a 40-45% upgrade

[formal tusk]

Gen 4 or gen 5 won't add anything

Those things help people who stream or edit video

Not gamers

[formal tusk]

You could change the socket of your current one to take a 9900k, not really worth it tho

[indigo arch]

Because they are all a mish mash of sizes and i kind of want to change them up bit by bit to all be the same size
I like having seperate drives for different things
Yes i know i can partition and stuff. But i dont want to do that

[formal tusk]

Could use optane and raid them all together

[dense merlin]

Ie
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FcbRsY/asrock-b650m-pro-rs-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-b650m-pro-rs

[dense merlin]

3 m.2 4 sata slots

[formal tusk]

One or two drives in windows, multiple more in the pc

[indigo arch]

I do not wish to raid them either. I would like to have them as seperate drives

[dense merlin]

How much storage do you need total.

[formal tusk]

It's a fair bit of money man, I mean, you do you end of the day

2tb is like half a cpu or a whole motherboard

Only reason we'd speak up

[indigo arch]

What i need and what i want are 2 very different questions 😂

[dense merlin]

ok

Man I've asked like four times trying to get you an idea for a list and haven't gotten an answer

[indigo arch]

There was alot of messages in one go. What was the question?

[dense merlin]

How much storage do you need/want

Because you can go completely overboard for like 10tb like this
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/63gbFs

And still have all four sata slots free

[indigo arch]

Oh right that one

Maybe like 10TB minimum split into probably 2TB drives seeing as the 2TB m.2 and 2.5 drives seem better priced compared to like the 4TB ones

Just for clarification, the mobo does't have to be Asrock btw just incase you thought that

[dense merlin]

Nope, that mobo is just very cheap and is a solid board

Can run a 7950x without issue

B650 eagle ax, riptide, Tomahawk, among others are good choices as well

Tomahawk only if cheaper than the riptide

This has 5 m.2 slots
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCGbt6/asrock-x670e-pro-rs-atx-am5-motherboard-x670e-pro-rs

Not sure if you'd be able to use all 5, might be limited by number of pcie lanes

[indigo arch]

Does it support my current CPU at all?
Saw you paired it with an AMD CPU so i know the board pins won't be the same and all. Does it have an Intel equivilent?

[dense merlin]

No matter what if you replace your mobo, you need to buy a new cpu

[formal tusk]

Gaming x ax v2 is usually good

[dense merlin]

It's $5 more than the asrock x670 above

1 less m.2 slot, but comes with wifi

[formal tusk]

The io also slaps

Is it not like $180 rn?

[indigo arch]

I'm just tryna double check the naming convention but my case also has a USB C port on the front. I'm trying to check what the connector is for it. Id like the mobo to support that as well

Ah here we go
Front I/O: USB 3.1 Gen2 Type-C, 2x USB 3.0, Microphone, Headphone, D-RGB Mode button, D-RGB Color button.
It's a Phanteks Evolv X case

[formal tusk]

Ah the behemoth

The predecessor to the current enthoo iirc

Supports dual system

That's an idea

You could go dual system

Use the 8700K as a NAS

[indigo arch]

It certainly does, yes. Thought that was kinda cool when i got the macchine tbh that it can do dual system

[formal tusk]

Ye

It would fix a few of your concerns too, just run a striped nas potentially

Raid 1 would be fine

Yes I read what you said earlier

Lol

Thought just popped into my head when you brought up the dual system case

[indigo arch]

I have a seperate case for that already tbh which is terribly set up right now and will be a follow on plan eventually
It's a corsair obsidian 250d

I kinda botched together some bits that i got and called it good....but it isnt exactly that great currently😂

[formal tusk]

Lol

250d gotta be ancient now

That's iirc glass

Like honeycomb filter?

[indigo arch]

I got it from a local PC store. He wanted it gone and i thought it looked cool. Got it for £20

https://www.corsair.com/newsroom/press-release/corsair-announces-first-mini-itx-case-the-obsidian-series-250d
Perspex top
Honecomb sides

[formal tusk]

Nvm, I'm thinking of something way different

Lol

[indigo arch]

It has a slot of an optical drive as well. I plan to get a decent Optical Drive to use it for film storage 🏴‍☠️

[formal tusk]

I like the way you think

Ngl

Lmao

☠️

I too have considered an optical drive case for reasons

[indigo arch]

I have the optical drive in mind that i want to get for it, but need to save the pennies for it first because it's like £100

[formal tusk]

I'd be more in doing old pc games tho

[indigo arch]

One of the reasons why i like LOTS of storage 😛

[formal tusk]

One big sata drive like an x300 used and that problem quickly disappears

[indigo arch]

I want to expand out from Films and TV shows once I have the setup to my liking
I do have spinning rust as well in my PC and external to it as well

[formal tusk]

You work the nvmes as an active space, move finished stuff into the hdd for cold storage

[indigo arch]

Seagate and WD drives
Then i have one or two shucked ones inside my case as well

But basically, i like to split my hobbies up into different drives. But keep alot of space available for them all
So gaming, genealogy, films/tv shows/old pc games/old console games, virtual machine stuff. Probably more im forgetting
But I would split each of my interests across each of the drives

Might sound dumb to most, but for me it somewhat helps my messy brain try and keep things in some kind of order

[formal tusk]

No I can understand that

I mean a new 4tb drive or 2tb sounds fine to me

Though I'd at least find a use for what you take out of there anyway

[indigo arch]

There is madness to my method. I promise 😅

Oh trust me, the drives i take out will get used again
I also play around with Raspberry Pis too. So the ones that get retired from my PC will get added to the Pis for those projects i do with them

[formal tusk]

That makes it much more comfortable to recommend then

[indigo arch]

I have this thing which has some stuff running which needs storage too

[formal tusk]

Think the cheapest 4tb rn that's worth is mp44q

For m.2

[indigo arch]

One is homeassistant, another is nextcloud and two of them are running youtubeDL...which i could do with condensing to one drive 😂 because i want to use one of them for something else in there

[indigo arch]

Ooo teamgroup, ok then, interesting. I've used them for RAM before and micro SD cards

[formal tusk]

If not mp44q, vp4300 lite

Patriot iirc

[cloud kiln]

is that a pi cluster

[indigo arch]

It's meant for clusters but im not using it for that purpose

[cloud kiln]

oh

k8s isnt hard to use

[indigo arch]

This is what i am doing with them all. They are all running as there own things

[indigo arch]

I do need to get into learning that more, but just havent done yet. Same for Docker/Podman too

[indigo arch]

Amazon seems to be having a hard time finding it when i search on amazon but google search does show it up though sort of on amazin. The 4TB isnt avaialble thouigh

[indigo arch]

What price are you seeing for it?

[formal tusk]

Some 180 iirc

I haven't looked cos I'm chilling in bed atm

Texting while watching my show

Lol

[indigo arch]

It might have changed then because i only seem to be about to find it as over £200

[formal tusk]

Oh gbp

Ok your choices are vp4300 lite

Or nm790

[indigo arch]

Yes sorry, i thought you realsied earlier i was UK based 😛

[formal tusk]

I may have but brain trying to sleep

Lmao

[indigo arch]

Lexar for this one, yes?

[formal tusk]

Yes

790 is the better of the two

But 4300 lite is solid already

Patriot is a big brand as well

[indigo arch]

Yeah i was leaning more for the Patriot more purely because i have heard of that one for the storage space.
Thouight Lexar was a printer brand tbh 😂

[formal tusk]

It is

Copy brand

They also do nand and paper lol

[indigo arch]

Well ok then 😂

Ok so that's the m.2 suggestion. You got anything in terms of 2.5 as well?

[formal tusk]

Uh

Leven js600

Silicon power a60

Or if you want something flashy, crucial mx500

[indigo arch]

Never heard of Leven
Have heard of Silicon power and Crucial though

[formal tusk]

Leven are small

The js600 is proven good though

Very very good for low end

[indigo arch]

When you say low end. What do you mean by that?

[formal tusk]

Sata ssd's I consider a low end storage execution these days

[indigo arch]

Ohh it's sata. Ok

[formal tusk]

When you may have windows itself being hilariously iops limited, point remains a gen 5 is some 20+x faster

Ye sata

[indigo arch]

Do you get NVME on the 2.5 drives? Am i right in thinking that?

[formal tusk]

Nah

Sata plug

Like hdd

Some sata are msata

So e key m.2

Or b key sorry

[indigo arch]

NVME is the m.2 ones then?

[formal tusk]

Ye

[indigo arch]

ok yep yep
So many things now. Can't keep up 🙄

[formal tusk]

Newer gen boards no longer really support msata just be aware

They do support sata

And m.2

But msata (sata m.2) is disappearing

[indigo arch]

Yeah ok that's fine

[indigo arch]

Been tryna look into this one. This looks to be an m.2 drive. Not 2.5. You sure this is the right name?

[formal tusk]

Oh you're right mb

A55 not A60

Names very similar ☠️

A60 is the gen 3 execution, quite a nice drive for uber cheap

[indigo arch]

It did look kinda nice tbh actually
I think my current mobo only supports up to gen 3 as well actually

[formal tusk]

Pcie is reverse compatible

[indigo arch]

Will higher gens still run but just not work to the full specs of the drive?

[formal tusk]

So a gen 4 ssd in a gen 3 board will run at gen 3

Same with gen 5

Though no one will ever need gen 5

Maybe in 5 years

Lmao

[indigo arch]

- 6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s Connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 15), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug*
- 2 x Ultra M.2 Sockets (M2_1 and M2_2), supports M Key type 2230/2242/2260/2280 M.2 SATA3 6.0 Gb/s module and M.2 PCI Express module up to Gen3 x4 (32 Gb/s)**

*If M2_1 is occupied by a SATA-type M.2 device, SATA_5 will be disabled.
If M2_2 is occupied by a SATA-type M.2 device, SATA_0 will be disabled.

**Supports Intel® Optane™ Technology
Supports NVMe SSD as boot disks
Supports ASRock U.2 Kit

From the manual for my mobo on storage

[formal tusk]

Supports optane which is nice

The better of the two choices for raid imo lol

[indigo arch]

But all those drives will still be fine on this mobo though that you suggested. Both 2.5 and m.2 ones, right?

[formal tusk]

Yes, just be aware when you fill the m.2 up, two sata ports turn off

That's classic intel

They did that for a long time

[indigo arch]

Yeahhh i know i know. I really hate that. Anothe reason i want a new mobo as well tbh.
Based on what you said there, it sounds like you can get mobos that don't do that?

[formal tusk]

You can....but question is more a case of, if you should, if that makes sense?

If you know you'll eventually utilise the space I would opt for higher density drives and take a slow burn

Cos 1 4tb drive is more than a mobo we'd suggest around here

[indigo arch]

price wise?

[formal tusk]

Ye

Good am5 boards for things like this are around the 180-200 range for us usually

Good io, 3 m.2, 4 sata 6gb

Some have more

6 sata, 4 m.2, maybe even 5 m.2

Am5-wise anyway

Lga1700 though....I would probably skip unless you got a baller board for ultra cheap

Those can do up to 6 sata, some do 5 m.2

[indigo arch]

Well whatever new mobo i eventually get i would like a minimum of 2 m.2 slots which i think its pretty standard now anyway isnt it
and then Id like to match if not have more sata ports on the new mobo 😂

[formal tusk]

Matching 6 is hard now cos sata as I said before is becoming rare

4 is standard for am5

[indigo arch]

I guess i don't really have a favourite in terms of intel vs AMD.
Intel is just kind of what i ended up with tbh when i first built my PC

[formal tusk]

6 is common on lga1700 but not always

[formal tusk]

Landscape changed a ton. Now, we avoid intel somewhat strongly (lga1700) and amd (am5) is a beloved child asking for a premium price

[indigo arch]

Hmmm so maybe that whole dual machine thing could be a good idea after all then if thats the case 🤔

[formal tusk]

Yeah tbh

And you set the bios up to run really low power

Like 15W or 20W

So cpu draw is really low but good enough for a nas

[indigo arch]

isnt it like 12th gen is ok but then the following two are bad or something like that
Was watching a J2C vid earlier where he said something about it

[formal tusk]

Yes

But I wouldn't necessarily do 12th gen rn and expect an upgrade path out of it

I would do it for the rare, optimised budget build

[indigo arch]

Well my PSU i have now is an RM1000. So i have lots of wiggle room there id say 😂

[formal tusk]

Yes

What I would do

Given the nature of the case

Do an itx am5 build

I believe 2 m.2 is possible

And then 2(?) sata

And leave things mostly as they are

[indigo arch]

I'm not specifically looking to do budget build to be clear. Like most, i want "bang for the buck". But i dont mind spending money if it means i'm getting somethign worthwhile and good out of it, you know?

[formal tusk]

Run a riser to the gpu and vertical mount it

And you can impose an upgraded build while maintaining the old 8700k for nas

[formal tusk]

Ye I got it

Thinking of the way you could maintain most of the hardware rn

I think a620i lightning is an itx with 2 m.2

You can use anything up to a 7950x on that

X3d also counts in that statement

[indigo arch]

I could do with a GPU change as well really 😂
Its a GTX 1060 that i have right now 😂

[formal tusk]

What kind of tasks are you looking to do

[indigo arch]

Oh it varies all the time.
Gaming, VM stuff, Media stuff might be done on it too like the type talked about earlier 🏴‍☠️ , programming if i might be feeling big brained on certain days

I dabble in lots of things tbh

[formal tusk]

How many hours into each would you say

Give me a rough estimate

Or maybe a percentage

[indigo arch]

I know for sure i don't need the latest and greatest
Something in the 2000 or 3000 series would be good. I would like to have RTX capability

I genuinely have no idea on time wise tbh. It could be several hours on each tbh. Depends how much my ADHD will let me hyperfocus on that particular thing at the time 😂

I have gotten the impression that you don't like hardware going to waste. Any hardware that i retire from current machines always get's reused by me in some other weird and wonderful project somewhere

[dense merlin]

Vm stuff will be cpu/ram focused, gaming youd want a gpu upgrade, media stuff sounds just like storage requirements to me

[indigo arch]

Well i was thinking like transcoding wise stuff

[dense merlin]

If your vm use is heavy enough I could see a cpu upgrade first. If it's running fine on your 8700k I'd do a gpu upgrade first

[indigo arch]

for media

[dense merlin]

Ah alr

For that you want either an Intel cpu with an igpu or an Intel arc a380 as a secondary gpu potentially?

[indigo arch]

and if i just got for a normal GPU? Like nvidia or AMD wise?

[dense merlin]

Depends what transcoding I guess

[indigo arch]

I guess thats the same question for if its from the gaming aspect too?

[dense merlin]

Not really, games don't care about one vs the other much anymore

Amd 7000/6000 series is just plain better value than 30/40 series

[indigo arch]

I don't really know a whole lot for the AMD GPUs. I just know Nvidia wise they have the 2000, 3000, 4000 series stuff etc

[dense merlin]

7000 series is fairly capable of rtx too, imo ray tracing is fairly overrated and more of a bonus feature than a selling point from either brand

It just depends what price point you're looking at and if you're fine with a $50-100 or so upcharge for nvidia

Under £500 is kinda ass from the nvidia end atm

[indigo arch]

That's the other challenge too. Nvidia have turned into the hungry hippos of money grabbing now

[dense merlin]

4070 super and 4080/super are decent value

[indigo arch]

I don't have an issue swapping over the AMD i guess. Sounds like they could be doing better these days with what they are releasing

[dense merlin]

£522 4070 super vs £518 7900 gre in the UK actually

The only downside to the nvidia side here is the 4070s has less vram

£625 7900xt vs £726 4070 ti super though

Same performance and 7900xt has 4gb more vram

[indigo arch]

Oh ok then, interesting

I feel like i need to go back over the whole chat here and round up what was talked about, bevause it's alot of info to take in

[dense merlin]

Oh what productivity softwares do you use

Some run much worse on amd gpus

Ie blender, the 7900xtx loses to a 4070 super if I remember right

[indigo arch]

When you say productivity softwares, what do you mean?

[dense merlin]

Like for vms and any other workstation based tasks

[indigo arch]

For VMs i use virtualbox

[dense merlin]

Like blender, Adobe suite, daz3d, CAD, video editing, that type of thing

[indigo arch]

I intend to get a 3D printer in the near future so the relevant software to that. But I dont hae a spevific one in mind currently

Occasioanl use of Gimp on old family photos to fix them up

Ditched Adobe after i got fed up of being shafted by them

[dense merlin]

Sounds like an amd gpu would do the job for you

[novel turret]

Good buy or nah

I have a feeling my 500GB Samsung t3 is kinda failing. It shows up and load up files just fine only on the PC desktop but when I plug it in Google bravia TV it won't load correctly

Same cable

Also the drive is just 8 years old lol

[cloud kiln]

Not the worst pricing I've seen on a portable drive, but you should just get a m.2 drive enclosure and a nvme

[novel turret]

Hmmm

[novel turret]

$135 At local best buy lmao

Yeah nah. Don't know about enclosure

With an ssd nvme

[cloud kiln]

Wtf there are RGB enclosures???

[cloud kiln]

Main benefit is that it's faster than the typical external SSD that you can buy
Especially with that enclosure

If you don't go for name brand, and also not for the fastest enclosure, you could get one decent for like 15-20

W/ decent nvme, will still be much faster than most external drives for the same price

And you can swap nvmes in it, without needing a new enclosure

4k reviews and 19 bucks https://www.amazon.com/ORICO-NVMe-Enclosure-Gbps-Support/dp/B08G14NBCS

For 15 https://www.amazon.com/ELUTENG-Enclosure-Protocol-Adapter-External/dp/B08H22BV1N

[novel turret]

I see why but the main use gonna be streaming movies, and backup for my stuff when erasing PC and stuff.

[novel turret]

Yeah, I'mma just get a enclosure and remove my 2tb 990 pro and use it as external ssd while i get in new 4tb ssd in my pc. Big brain.

[small carbon]

Many enclosures have around 1GB/s max. It's why my mp34 is the 1 in an enclosure.

[cloud kiln]

No they meant that they're upgrading their PC nvme and putting the old one in the enclosure

But yeah, most cheaper units only support 1gbps

Which is plenty for most use cases

[woeful solar]

That's a stupid enclosure lol the rgb ruins its pricing

[cloud kiln]

i would rather take waterproof over rgb ong

[novel turret]

Ahh ok didn't know. Thanks for a heads up

[quiet cobalt]

Hi, I bought few ROMED8-2T motherboards recently and not able get second NVME SSD recognized. It's always M2 # 2 slot that is not recognized. Anyone seen this before? Or has anyone been able to get two SSD show up in BIOS?

[cloud kiln]

Hmm
I would assume that the epyc has enough PCIe lanes to be able to handle both fine directly to the cpu

Hmm idk if I'm reading the diagram right, but it seems like the 2nd m.2 is shared with a sata as well

You might have to change some jumpers around to enable the m.2 2

I'm not sure
And I'm a bit too tired to decipher this lmao

[quiet cobalt]

Thanks. I have reached out to asrock technical support as well. They never mentioned anything about jumper changed. They're reaching out to their HQ support team for troubleshooting guidance.

It's weird that they all don't have 2nd slot working and hard to believe they're all defective, I suspect configuration missing which I hoped their support team would have flagged by now.

Thought others might have workaround

[plush crag]

Just get some pcie to m.2 risers

[fringe mesa]

Is the 2tb Sk Hynix platinum still the best and top NVME to use for a gaming webserver or is there better now?

[formal tusk]

Platinum is overpriced these days

The usual play is a dramless gen 4 combo known to be good involving innogrit now

Sometimes phison falls into that, dram is a bit nicer for redundancy which matters for game servers

But this would be a measure of what game

And how many players

Cos a AAA game still runs almost the same on a normal pc with a sata ssd vs a gen 4

May well not need all that you can get if the measurable rand speed isn't as big as expected

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TM4Zxr/patriot-viper-vp4300-lite-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-vp4300l4tbm28h
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/trjRsY/teamgroup-mp44q-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffd004t0c101
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H24Zxr/patriot-p400-lite-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-p400lp4kgm28h

Few examples

MP44L for 2TB

Couldn't see anything that looked like a nice dram drive for the price atm

[minor sun]

mp44 non-qlc is at a pretty good price rn
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CVWJ7P/teamgroup-mp44-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpw004t0c101

[fringe mesa]

My wife suprised me a few weeks ago. She's been designing art and been coding for some online game she's been playing a few years. No clue where on earth she picked up the math skills, as she was never taught multiplication or division, and somehow learned a good amount, which she didn't pick up when I tried teaching her. No clue what she's writing in, it's not visual C+, or basic. But she runs a 8 person game server and my experiences with 12 gen Intel systems, the ram choices when it came to speed in 2022, not so great, so tossing in the towel and going with an Amd 12 core 24 thread cpu and Asus mb combo, and I been using the sk hynix 2tb platinum for my system that boots instantly Into the windows login upon power up, long as there are no sata drives attached. Want the same or better, so figured I ask. The Nvme would boot the system, but seeing as what's shown above is 4tb, would it be beneficial to format one so partition is 1tb for os and servers, and 3tb for games and movies? I keep my os and the servers drive C for ultimate speeds, especially when the OS corrupts with betas, it's faster to just restore the 1tb, than entire 4tb.

[formal tusk]

Sure.

[blazing musk]

Separating partitions is only useful for organizing on any SSD, and possibly making OS recovery easier in specific cases. It was recommended on HDDs since there's a performance difference between the beginning and end of the drive, but SSDs suffer no such flaw.

[fringe mesa]

My wife installs and uninstalls a lot of beta garbage. In a month, maybe 2, her OS would be corrupt to the point I made an image to just restore the C drive, while all her games and data remained on D. This way she lost nothing. Maybe a 1tb for OS and a 4tb everything else?

[hallow moat]

anyone have a good 512 GB NVME brand for me to get for Gaming?

[formal tusk]

Level jps600 1tb is decent for about $50

512 has been a bit of a questionable size for a while

Only if you were super super budget and not a lot of uses

[blazing musk]

That is one of those rare cases where it's helpful to separate. I find Windows to be perfectly happy on a 256GB drive even with programs installed so it'll take whatever you give it.

[fringe mesa]

The annoying aspect of Windows is when it decides to write part of itself to another hard drive. Not for recycle bin, it moves a hidden partition to a random drive, and during image backups, requires you to image another drive, which is a pain, especially when it's a 16tb drive. Happened a few times but last year was the worst. I connected a 16tb sata via USB, to copy over some Raythena servers. Went to sleep and an update was forced. System rebooted and following morning, disconnected the 16tb to have os crash. System wouldn't even boot till I plugged the external back in, so I simply restored a backup and all was fine. Think I mentioned this once long ago. Just forgot over time how to fix or prevent it lol

[blazing musk]

That's a common bug, and it's the bootloader you're thinking of. The only fix is to have only one drive in the system when you install.

[soft ravine]

Hey, what is S.M.A.R.T on hwinfo64 if anyone knows.

[blazing musk]

Self Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology
It's the way the drive reports how healthy it thinks it is.

There's a certain threshold for each value, and once that threshold is met it may trigger software like hwinfo to show "warning" and "failure" levels.

[soft ravine]

Yeah mine is reporting Failure but when I used crystaldiskinfo everything seems good. Is that normal?

I only have 1 SSD drive

[blazing musk]

The softwares have different definitions of what defines "abnormal"

[soft ravine]

Oh so it’s false reporting?

[blazing musk]

Not necessarily, one is just looking at factors the other is either not looking at or unable to look at

Hwinfo "failures" are cumulative over the life of the drive also, just because it had a "failure" code once doesn't necessarily mean it will again.

But it does mean you should keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't go up

[soft ravine]

So is there anything I can do to not make it say it’s failing?

[blazing musk]

It's not saying that it's failing, it's saying something occurred once in its lifetime that it defines as a "failure" and that could have been caused by a lot of things.

[soft ravine]

Could a random pc shutdown be one of the causes? Or it’s hard to say?

[blazing musk]

Yes, that could cause it. "unsafe shutdown" would be the category as reported by crystaldisk

[soft ravine]

yeah I see it, my pc has been shutting down randomly sometimes. It’s better now, after I reseated everything and reapplied thermal paste but now it sounds like my case fans are over working.

Could hwinfo/monitor be giving me false temperatures?

[cloud kiln]

it's possible? though i'd say it's fairly rare

[blazing musk]

It can but that's very rare and usually caused by the actual hardware being wrong

[cloud kiln]

usually the problem is the actual sensors though lmao

[blazing musk]

Exactly, we had the same idea there

[cloud kiln]

usually the problem is the engineers put the sensors in a weird spot so they report weirdly

generally i would trust the temps unless they look absurd

[soft ravine]

Bro

[blazing musk]

Totally not like the time Nvidia put the VRAM hotspot sensor in a place that wasn't the actual hotspot and quietly reducing the throttle point from 110C to 100C

[cloud kiln]

💀

[blazing musk]

Because they had a lot of VRAM instability, wonder why

[soft ravine]

Wait so could my psu not being enough for my system explain random shutdowns too?

[blazing musk]

If it's happening under load yes

[cloud kiln]

if the power seems to just randomly cut out, yeah

[soft ravine]

Cause I bought this system since April of this year, bought everything new & now it’s acting like this.

[cloud kiln]

hmm

what specs and what psu

[soft ravine]

rx 6800 / 7600x / 650W Corsair 80+ bronze

[cloud kiln]

doesnt seem too crazy

[blazing musk]

650 should be enough

[soft ravine]

I bought a new psu yesterday but I returned it cause I thought I fixed my issue but then it happened again.

[blazing musk]

Which model PSU exactly?

[soft ravine]

Corsair cx650m 80+ Bronze semi modular psu

I ran alot of memory tests too, I really can’t think to what it might be. It happened on idle once, fortnite once (mid game), happened a couple times on undisputed boxing game, then I was able to replicate the crash using the Power Stability Test on occt but ever since I reseated everything & changed my paste, the stress tests have passed.

But I still shutdowned again and it was different from the other shutdowns

[blazing musk]

Happening at idle would almost completely rule out the PSU

It may be the OS got corrupted from all the shutdowns

[soft ravine]

Is there a way to check that with CMD?

[blazing musk]

Open an admin command window and run sfc /scannow and dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth

[soft ravine]

I used /sfc scannow and it repaired something but didn’t really help

I’ll try again

Thanks

[blazing musk]

SFC sometimes takes 2-3 times because the files might be in use during the repair

[soft ravine]

oh I didnt even think about that thanks

[blazing musk]

You'd also want to reboot between scans, forgot to mention that

[soft ravine]

For sure

Didn’t say anything was wrong

Should I reinstall my OS?

or no need too

[blazing musk]

Not at this point

[soft ravine]

For sure thanks.

Just ran another OCCT power test for 20 minutes and no errors

or shutdowns

Would trying another psu be unnecessary too?

[blazing musk]

It wouldn't hurt to start ruling out hardware like that

[soft ravine]

For sure thanks

[formal tusk]

@soft ravine try unplugging certain data cables one by one

Like any sata cables if you have them (this will disconnect drives)

Or usb cables

Swap the monitor cable

If two psus exhibit random immediate shutdowns, it's probably a bad cable or another form of a short that trips the psu to turn off

As far as temps, well that's a separate basket of eggs

[soft ravine]

I don't think I use any sata cables, my psu has one attached but I don't have a need for it so it's just at the bottom of my system. My temps for the most part are pretty normal 50c idle for cpu and 30-40 idle for gpu depending what my speed the fans are.

[soft ravine]

Is it like a safety feature for the psu?

[formal tusk]

Ye

It detects crazy current, it turns off to protect itself

Like if you reached for something, say a metal rod and right before you touched it you got a static shock, you'd throw your hand back right? PSU's version of that lol

[soft ravine]

For sure, is that what c-states is or different?

Also why would it do it if it’s telling everything is “normal”?

[blazing musk]

C states are the various power modes your system can be in, like off, soft off, sleep, hibernate, and on

They also effect CPU power use and performance to some degree, controlling when the CPU cores "sleep"

[soft ravine]

Would that play any part in my issue or unlikely?

[blazing musk]

Probably not. Issues associated with C states are often limited to not waking up from sleep mode or occasionally reduced CPU performance

Not full on crashes

[soft ravine]

For sure thanks

[serene laurel]

Looking to move most of my NAS storage to SSD when I rebuild my server. I think 2tb is plenty for now. Looking for recommendations for a reliable 2tb SSD, either a sata one or m.2 nvme (I will need to buy a pcie card if that’s deemed the best choice). Not super concerned about price but I also don’t want to pay enterprise grade prices either lol. Thanks!

[blazing musk]

I doubt your NAS would be on a 10Gbps link so SATA will work just fine.
This is the old standby option: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nF8j4D/crucial-mx500-2tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct2000mx500ssd1
This is a cheaper one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DZkj4D/silicon-power-a55-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-sp002tbss3a55s25

[serene laurel]

Thanks fal! Probably will go with the mx500.

[balmy sparrow]

i think my hhd just died. its my second drive in my pc and i loaded up my pc after not being home this weekend and my pc doesnt detect it at all.

i took it out and i can feel it spinning

[cloud kiln]

havent moved it prior?

[balmy sparrow]

no i played games on friday and went home for the weekend, came back to college and it isnt detected at all

[cloud kiln]

also you're not supposed to take out hard drives and move them around while they're spinning, though if it's dead, it's fine ig

[balmy sparrow]

i didnt remove it while its spinning i shut it down and took it out of the case, then booted it back up to see if i could feel it spinning or get warm

[cloud kiln]

if you didnt move it or anything after using a hdd for like 7 years, it is fairly likely something in it is dead

most often it's the read arm

[balmy sparrow]

its only been around 4ish

if the read arm is dead would that cuase the pc to not detect it?

[cloud kiln]

well, you should first try a different sata cable if you have it

[blazing musk]

Hard drives vary in quality and typically have a life of about 5-10 years, depending on model

[balmy sparrow]

it is probably dead then

[blazing musk]

If switching cables around doesn't help then quite possibly

[balmy sparrow]

i do not have any extra cables to test it currently ill have to wait

[dusky lava]

Can I get a part recommendation? I'm looking for a budget internal drive, 2tb minimum. I've heard of HDDs with an SSD strapped to it for a cache, is that a thing you can get for consumer hardware?

[blazing musk]

SSHD is what you're thinking of. They're not worth it in the modern age.

SSDs are cheap enough now that hybrid drives aren't a consideration

Plus they don't really help with access speeds of anything except what you use the most

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/VxfFf7,C3xbt6/
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/6wdqqs,gHNxFT/
You do the math here

[dusky lava]

eh, I'm on a tight budget. Double the space for nearly half the price, I'd take it.

[cloud kiln]

depends on what you're using it for

[small carbon]

please don't say boot drive

[dense merlin]

@dusky lava is it your main drive, or a secondary

If it's your main drive, do not use an hdd

You could choose any of these, and then use an hdd as a secondary
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PZTBQP

Also there's a 2tb ssd in there for $85

[dusky lava]

I was looking at the hybrid kind, that uses a smaller SSD as a cache. And would use that for the primary drive yeah.
I suppose I can just go with a huge SSD, idk

[dense merlin]

An sshhd is old and outdated tech

Theyre not really made anymore

[dusky lava]

eh, fair enough

[dense merlin]

It would be better to use a small (512gb) ssd for windows and a large hdd as a secondary

An hdd for boot would be slow as hell, it used to take me around 10 minutes to be able to use my pc when I first booted

It typically isn't that bad with a modern hdd, but it will certainly be a night and day difference between an ssd and hdd for your boot drive

Plus, storage is always upgradable. 2tb ssd now, can add plenty more storage down the line

[dusky lava]

I'm using Linux, Arch.
Previously I was using a 500gb SSD as the only drive. Then took a few HDDs from a couple dead laptops, and... instead of doing the sane thing and use them as as secondary drives, I looked into LVM stuff. Boot sector is on the SSD. The rest of the SSD and the HDDs are kinda smooshed together into a sort of RAID cluster with the SSD as a cache.

... Weirdly enough, convincing the installer program to put it on the LVM was the hard part. It's working great now that I got it working. Only getting concerned because one of the physical HDDs has failing sectors.

... yeah, it would be easier if I just bought a big SSD, but I'm on a tight budget lately

[dense merlin]

What's the budget?

[dusky lava]

Uh... can $100 get a decent 1tb drive?

[dense merlin]

Bc there's also
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276664461323?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=FzUtmyqOQLy&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166052947286?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=kE7Z0-UgRW6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[dense merlin]

Incredibly easy

[dense merlin]

Look at the pcpartpicker list here

[dusky lava]

Ah, right. Thanks.

[dense merlin]

Np! If you've any questions feel free to ask

[dusky lava]

I actually do have a question. Is there a way to tell whether I should be looking for a PCIe SSD or a SATA one without taking my PC apart? I know I have two M.2 sockets, one of each, but forget which kind of SSD I have.

[dense merlin]

If you've an m.2 2280 size slot, you're fine

If you know what mobo you have i could check

[dusky lava]

ASRock B450M Pro4.
I recall it had two M.2 sockets, but I can't remember which one's occupied and what type the free one is.

[dense merlin]

Are you using an internal wifi card?

Looks like it has two m.2 2280 slots

[dusky lava]

External. Why do you ask, does that take one of them?

[dense merlin]

Which is honestly rare on b450s from what I've seen

[dense merlin]

Internals typically do

Well, either m.2 or pcie

External wifi cards aren't the best and typically cause ping/latency issues from what I've experienced

[dusky lava]

ehhh I'm usually on ethernet anyway

[dense merlin]

So one m.2 slot is below the cpu, and the other is bottom right of your motherboard

Oh nice

I just swapped to ethernet a few months back

Some of my games have been downloaded at over 500mb/s which is just insane to me

[dusky lava]

Yea, definitely an improvement

[brisk dome]

500 MB/s (megabytes per second)?
Or 500mbps (Mb/s) (megabits per second, what speedtests measure in)

I love how those two sound and are abbreviated so similarly 🙃

[dense merlin]

500mbps sorry

steam download

oh

[small carbon]

Welcome to the Ethernet superiority group, although as a techie should know how Ethernet compares to wifi or internet.

[ripe sandal]

Is PCIe Gen 4 the same as Gen 4x4 for M.2 drives?

[blazing musk]

Yes and no. A full size gen 4 slot would be 4x16, but if they're using 4x4 to describe the M.2 slot then yes it's gen 4.

[open gazelle]

Could try changing download region for potentially faster downloading. But could also be CPU limited with decompression.

[tame quartz]

Guys, I’m planning to build a PC and have a 2TB Samsung 990 Pro as my main drive (including the OS). I want to get another 2TB secondary drive in case I want to install more games in the future, but I’m not sure if I should go for a high end drive, or a drive such as the Teamgroup MP44L. I’ve read that you don’t need DRAM for gaming, especially on an NVME, but I want confirmation.

[blazing musk]

The 990 Pro is known to commit self death so make sure you've updated the firmware to avoid that.
There is no game that benefits from having a faster SSD. Loading times on open world games are similar between gen 3 and gen 5 drives, maybe one second faster in some titles. Even games with DirectStorage don't benefit from faster drives, and in fact it turns out that removing DirectStorage entirely is a bigger benefit.

[manic stirrup]

Hello, chat. I'm looking for a good external hard drive to keep vids/photos on. Looking at the Seagate Backup Plus or the WD Elements. Anyone have any experience with those?

[olive glade]

What do you say for $200.00 pretty much for large open games like Microsoft flight simulator or open world games

[woeful solar]

Its a really good secondary drive

Fast, and at 4tb you likely won't run out of cache for most transfers I think

Cause if you do it drops to like 100MB/s or something

[dense merlin]

Gm7000 was $220 i think

For a game drive no real difference tho

[olive glade]

Ok thanks

😅 ya ran out of room for Microsoft flight simulator

[blazing musk]

Flight sim uses asset streaming though, because there's no way they can expect you to store all that data when odds are you're not going to be using every plane in the game

It's perfectly happy using 200GB of space including all base assets, DLC, and some extra for caching

[olive glade]

Does it it ask me to save a location for dlc besides the base game.

Like I can choose 2 save folders

Some planes are around 1gb 😅

[olive glade]

I got stuck on the update saying there is no room even when I have it downloaded

[lucid slate]

So still kinda new to the pc world and looking to upgrade my storage. What would be the pros and cons of getting an external hard drive vs and Internal SSD? I currently have a Kingston 1 TB SSD and primarily use it to hold games/clips

[blazing musk]

External hard drives are susceptible to vibration and die faster as a result.
Internal hard drives often have better vibration damping so they can last longer.
Both will be far slower than any SSD.

You don't need an expensive SSD to load games faster, too. Something like the Silicon Power A60 works great.

SSD loading times

A hard drive, even a fast one, would be easily 3x that load time if not more in some cases

[lucid slate]

Gotchu, appreciate the feedback!

[olive glade]

I personally have a hdd since there cheaper and won't affect older games as much but have a ssd for more open world type of games

I think my main mistake because of filies that get added and saved, I should have went 1tb for windows instead of 512gb ssd.

I have a few programs where you can move the install to another drive

[sand onyx]

Is Firecuda 530 still considered a fast drive?

[dense merlin]

It's decent

Normally badly priced tho

Gm7000, m480 pro, g70 pro graphene, fx900 pro among a good few others tend to be cheaper

[sand onyx]

It's an MSI laptop it's going in so the m480 pro makes sense.

Thanks I did not know about all those other drive options. Shows how out of touch I am.

[brisk dome]

For most people the differences in nvme SSD speed don't really matter anyways

[cloud kiln]

well, they somewhat do, at least in the dirt cheap ones

rule of thumb is just not to get the cheapest drive and not to get the most expensive drive

[misty sentinel]

what are the type of problems you usually run into with cheaper drives

[cloud kiln]

Slow, perhaps worse qc

And if it's a suspiciously cheap drive, likely malware as well

(e.g. 10 dollar 4tb drive)

[rich wadi]

If its 10 dollars its probably one of those fake 4tb with like 64 gigs of actual storage

[echo scroll]

I happened to stumble upon one of these in an old security device that was being thrown away. Would this work okay in a server for media/file storage? I know it's not optimal for that probably but hey it's free 😅

[minor sun]

purple tends to be loud iirc

thats about it

[cloud kiln]

technically, yes, but it's probably going to be slow, and perhaps has a long power on hour

also there's no need to scribble out the qr code and S/N

[small carbon]

Showing the date code is ok also

[echo scroll]

2016

[echo scroll]

I wasn't sure so I just scribbled it all out lol

[harsh obsidian]

https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/pny-1tb-xlr8-nvme/p/N82E16820177165?Item=N82E16820177165

dual fan cooling for nvme ssd lol

[rich wadi]

If your ssd is getting that hot thats your first problem lmao

[harsh obsidian]

Im sure its for continous workload at 100%

[cloud kiln]

even for that use case it's kinda overkill

[minor sun]

Depends on the drive, pcie 5.0 drives can get kinda hot, it can actually throttle without a heatsink

[formal tusk]

Idk why people forget there's been hot ssd's for every generation

[blazing musk]

Yep just like everything else. First they get fast and hot, then they steadily make more efficient and cooler ones.

[small carbon]

P5 Plus vs P41 Platinum?

[turbid crater]

My hdd just crapped on me. What is a good internal hdd for movies/anime/tv shows with a few old games

Planning on replacement in november or december

[tame geode]

that little badge in the bottom right says it all 🤩

[cloud kiln]

Stick some fans on some $### and call it innovation

[novel turret]

Hey chat. Does this ever need a thick pad for cooling purposes?

[minor sun]

at that kinda thickness I think it's for height rather than cooling lol

especially for a ssd that is using its own heatsink

[formal tusk]

May as well use it

[novel turret]

So that drive is just sk hynik 1tb that will be my enclosure ssd and I am wondering if I do need it.

[minor sun]

You should use it for the enclosure

the enclosure is probably too big for aesthetic purposes and needs that to transfer heat from the ssd to the outside

[novel turret]

Glad I got this enclosure

The ssd transfer times are lightning quick

And for cheaper cost

Granted it's 3,500 mb/s drive

[stable otter]

Trying to find a good boot drive m.2. Does anyone have some recommendations? Everything but windows will be on a separate drive, so it doesn’t need to be more than 128gb

[minor sun]

what's your budget?

might as well get enough storage for random other programs

[dense merlin]

^ and i wouldnt really bother with an ssd smaller than 512gb anymore

[stable otter]

I just need a reasonably priced per GB ssd thats reliable

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v3vD4D/patriot-p400-lite-500-gb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-p400lp500gm28h

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Xy3NnQ/patriot-p400-lite-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-p400lp1kgm28h

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XB9wrH/teamgroup-t-force-g50-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffe001t0c129

[stable otter]

Whole build around $1300-$1500

[dense merlin]

Oh yeah definitely a 1-2tb drive

You don't need a separate windows drive anymore

[dense merlin]

Mind if I make you a full list rq?

[stable otter]

Go for it

[dense merlin]

I gotta ask some questions first tho

Whats it being used for?
I'm assuming US since budget is $?
Microcenter nearby?
Any aesthetic preference?
Any size preference?
And do you have ethernet, or do you need wireless wifi?

[stable otter]

It’s mainly for occasional windows reinstalls to not wipe the rest of the drive

[dense merlin]

Imo I'd just keep a backup of important files instead

But you do you its your build

[stable otter]

Mostly gaming, but multipurpose for some video editing
US budget is correct
Micro center is close enough to make a trip
Aesthetically, no RGB
Looking to build mini ATX size
Have Ethernet, WiFi not at all required

[stable otter]

I just run into the problem of local game saves (Minecraft and its mods) being big and taking a while to transfer as well as redownloading games

I’ve forgotten some less important files before and lost them

[dense merlin]

So microcenter has cpu mobo and ram bundles, but the mobo is ATX

Would you give up matx form factor as long as it's on the smaller side of atx? If not you could try giving mc a call and see if they'd let you swap the motherboard out

[stable otter]

I’ve got plenty of time before I’m looking to build it. I can keep an eye out for new combos

[dense merlin]

The 7700x or 7600x3d would be what I'd grab

[dense merlin]

I believe they only do ATX bundles

Wait i lied

[stable otter]

Ah

[dense merlin]

They have a 7600x matx bundle

That works

When you go in id see if you could do the 7700x or 7600x3d bundle with a diff mobo though, the motherboard with the 7600x isn't great

[stable otter]

Alright

[dense merlin]

So the 7600x bundle is cpu, asus b650m-a wifi II, and a 16gb stick of ddr5 for $300

Id get a second stick of the ram, all the other am5 bundles will come with 32gb to start

[stable otter]

Yeah, I want 32GB

[dense merlin]

And I'll brb with a list or two

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KYkryg

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vwd2QP

If you wanted cheaper 7900 gre would be a great choice, and if you want to spend more i would just do a better bundle from microcenter

[stable otter]

Alright, thanks!

[dense merlin]

And i feel like this is worth mentioning
https://www.ebay.com/itm/156428651204

https://www.ebay.com/itm/156428651254

[worn trail]

I am running low on storage and I would like to purchase a 4TB NVME. It will be used for CAD and Video Recording/Editing.

I need to purchase off of https://amazon.com.mx and my budget I'd like to keep it around $100-200 USD.

Damn seems there is nothing in my budget. I will be returning to the US early december.

[dense merlin]

Idt you're getting 4tb for $200 in Mexico

[worn trail]

Yeah I just realized this.

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TmbRsY/kingspec-xf-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-xf-4tb-2280

For US

[worn trail]

If I get storage in the US I think I should wait for Christmas/Black Friday sales?

[dense merlin]

Prolly

[blazing musk]

You can barely find that in the US for that matter

[formal tusk]

If at all yeah

[worn trail]

I miss the deal I saw a while back. I think it was a Kingston KC3000 4TB for $156 on amazon.mx but I was unfortunately broke.

[dense merlin]

Dayum

Crazy deal

[minor sun]

Q3 drive data time
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q3-2024/

[blazing musk]

[brisk dome]

yeah not very many of them being used and the average age is also lower than most of the other models

[worn trail]

Question,

If you guys spot a fast 4TB nvme drive go on sale on Amazon.com or Newegg could you guys give me a mention?

[sinful salmon]

How fast exactly?

What are you gonna use it for? Games drive?

@worn trail also how much are you willing to spend on it?

[worn trail]

Ideally $150 I can wait for Christmas or Blackfriday sales.

[sinful salmon]

150 for a 4tb is gonna be tough

Even on sale

[worn trail]

It will be used as my work drive. A lot of CAD and Video Recording/Editing.

I have grown tired of constantly wiping my files and reinstalling them on a weekly basis.

[sinful salmon]

I'm not entirely sure about those use cases

But I believe super high speeds don't matter that much

Like a gen4 drive that can do like 5k megs a sec each would probably be fine just fine

I can snoop around for you but no promises of any grand finds

[worn trail]

Thank you.

Ideally I'd prefer a faster drive because I feel the hitches with my Gen 3 drives at 3.5K speeds.

But I will take what I can get.

[sinful salmon]

@worn trail https://www.newegg.com/kingspec-4tb-xg-7000-series/p/0D9-000D-00175?item=9SIB1V8K0E4237

Now I cannot vouch for Kingspec personally

But it's at 200 bucks rn

I know it's above your target, but that's an option

Silicon Power UD90 is about the same price

But yeah 4tb NVME normally starts at like 280-300 bucks

[brisk dome]

2x 2TB may be cheaper if you have the nvme slots

[blazing musk]

Not by much but it can be

[cloud kiln]

16 x 256gb frfr

[blazing musk]

If you get them used in bulk from a business that's recycling them sure

2TB currently is the best GB per dollar

1TB not far behind

[worn trail]

I have 2 extra nvme slots available.

gotcha. I will definitely keep an eye out as well. I will be ordering most likely in 4 weeks once I land in the US.

[dense merlin]

what do I do regarding that

[blazing musk]

chkdsk /r

[dense merlin]

ty

[blazing musk]

It'll ask to reboot and scan after probably

And check the SMART health of the drive too so you can see how many spare sectors there are left. If it's low, replace the drive ASAP.

[dense merlin]

yeah it did

all four drives are 100%

i didnt even think the fourth was plugged in atm, im not used my hdd

i lied my sata ssd is 97%

[blazing musk]

They're all SSDs then? Which drive was showing the bad index? That's not a good sign on a SSD.

[dense merlin]

i believe my boot drive, p41 plus 2tb

im going to wipe them all soon and do a new install of windows

which i already did fairly recently but

i dont want to spend more money trying to swap something so well try that'

[blazing musk]

Send the crystal disk info on the drive, I'll see if anything sticks out

The "health" is only monitoring 3 specific stats

[blazing musk]

Hmm 100 spare sectors, that should be the original state

(it's in hexadecimal)

So I wonder how that index got corrupted...

Well maybe it's just from an "unsafe shutdown"

That happens occasionally

Nothing else sticks out to me, not a lot of sensors on that drive though

[formal tusk]

@dense merlin If it's anything like what I'm experiencing, unsafe shutdown may have caused some sort of minor level corruption maybe on a driver level

I have an SSD from my faulty 7950X3D that is not playing nice at all

[turbid crater]

whats the difference between seagate barrcuda and ironwolf NAS hard drives. Im getting a new internal hdd for movies/anime plus some old 5 year plus games

[cloud kiln]

One is designed for general use, the other is meant to be in an enclosure with like 40 or more other drives without issues

And to be on 24/7

Both are CMR afaik

[turbid crater]

im not sure which one to get on either neweegg or amazon. between 8tb barrcuda and 8tb ironwolf only 40 usd difference

[cloud kiln]

seems like barracuda is smr actually

so you should get the ironwolf

[turbid crater]

thanks

[brave needle]

Hello,

Im making the following build

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/wxs2RV

The current ssd there is a gen 4 m.2 that I got for 60$, not sure why it says 98

However I saw this ssd for 100

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/xXGhP6/samsung-990-evo-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x2-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v9e1t0bam

Do you guys think itd be worth to buy the other one instead and return the 60$ one?

Idm spending the extra money but I guess the question really is, is it really that much faster, Ive heard ppl say itll be twice as fast but ive also heard ppl say itd be better to stick with gen 4

[dense merlin]

It's performance you won't notice

And your current cpu and mobo are gen 4 anyways

[brave needle]

Alright thanks for letting me know

so is it generally gen X should be with other gen X parts to be used to their full extent

like if the cpu and mobo were gen 5 would it then be worth, not gonna upgrade them just wondering

[dense merlin]

If you were doing 8k+ video editing or some other obscure workstation task. 99% of the time it won't make a difference

[brave needle]

Alright well thanks

[quiet gust]

I recommend you turn down the volume at the end

expected

[worn trail]

How do I get Windows to stop making backups of my PC on my drive?

It keeps making these massive 600-900GB backups that are eating up all my space.

[cinder crescent]

need to get a new m.2 but unsure what brand I should go for. I bought a samsung 1TB a while ago for my main one but I was told theres better cheaper options

any suggestions?

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2VJgXL/teamgroup-mp44l-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk002t0c101

If you're doing more than just gaming a better ssd could be warranted, depends on what tasks

[cinder crescent]

video editing, streaming, and eventuallly Blender work for 3 printing

I know blender and video editing can get kinda heavy but I mainly use OneShot and I have divinci on stand by once I decide to try it out

[dense merlin]

Firecuda 530r

$120 and on par with the 980 pro

If you want 4tb I'd have to check

4tb looks like mp44q at $206 or sn850x at $260

[blazing musk]

Depends on the kind of backup it's making. Could be file history or maybe system images.

[cinder crescent]

Yea I may get that one for future proof lol

Thanks!

[rich wadi]

Out of curiosity, how much of an impact does a better sdd make on productivity software like blender and premiere pro lol

[dense merlin]

fal knows a lot more about what tasks ssd speeds impact

[rich wadi]

Because i was told to just get a cheap ssd when i was building and I've been regretting it since lol

[cloud kiln]

how cheap did you go

[blazing musk]

Near zero

[dense merlin]

how so and what ssd?

[rich wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yGZ9TW/crucial-p3-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000p3pssd8

It was the cheapest at the time

[blazing musk]

SSD speed matters for things that need to read sequential data very fast, like scrubbing through 8k video

[cloud kiln]

if that drive is bad then my p2 is garbage ong

[rich wadi]

I don't think it's bad lol

[dense merlin]

tbf, the p2 is trash

[cloud kiln]

is your drive thermal throttling or smth lmao

[rich wadi]

But i would like faster

[cloud kiln]

true

[blazing musk]

Faster likely won't do anything for you

[rich wadi]

Even scrubbing through 1440p feels a bit chuggy

[rich wadi]

Good to know

[cloud kiln]

it works fine for me though, and i'm planning on replacing it with something actually decent when the firmware says it's like dying lol
or when it dies idk

[blazing musk]

5000 MBps is good enough for 4k scrubbing, if you're lagging it's something else

[rich wadi]

Im not sure 😭

[cloud kiln]

though honestly even my p2 is fast enough for what i need it for at least, or rather as long as it's not thermal throttling

[rich wadi]

I don't know much about ssds

When i comes to perf

[cloud kiln]

hwinfo should tell you

or crystal disk mark

[rich wadi]

But it does freeze up when im doing large downloads

[dense merlin]

Could also download crystaldiskinfo for drive health

[rich wadi]

And then it starts downloading and then freezes up

[dense merlin]

Freezes up how

[cloud kiln]

like, drops to like 20mbps?

[dense merlin]

You're much more likely running into internet limit

[blazing musk]

Depending on the program that's downloading that could also be a CPU or memory limit

[rich wadi]

Usually a bit lower

A good bit

[cloud kiln]

for my p2, before i used fancontrol to speed up fans when my drive temp got high, steam downloads will thermal throttle my ssd and drop down to like 10-20 ish mbps

[rich wadi]

But it usually happens with copying files tho so i could just be insane

[cloud kiln]

🧐

[rich wadi]

Idk how much of a constant stream of data it should be

And idk how to cool an ssd

Without like, strapping a fan to it lmao

I believe it's got like a thermal puddy on it

[blazing musk]

Is the drive in a slot that has a heatsink over it

If not you probably want one, gen 4 drives do get hot and throttle easily

If you do then check that the film over the thermal pad was removed

[formal tusk]

Tend to yeah

You can check reviews, some stay a bit cool but most are hot, like gen 5

[blazing musk]

P3 Plus was a pretty early gen 4 drive, when they weren't as efficient

So they probably run hotter. I'll pull some numbers to be sure.

Sustained write speed is pretty good

[formal tusk]

Early gen 4 would be hot yeah

Also P3 is kinda ass from memory

I tend to avoid crucial unless MX/bx/t

[blazing musk]

Looks like Tom's couldn't get it to throttle at all, getting up to 63C by writing sequentially the entire NAND capacity

Something else is going on here

[formal tusk]

Interesting

@rich wadi gimme the tl;dr

[blazing musk]

Either it's a bad sample or there's another factor

[formal tusk]

Hmm

[blazing musk]

A bad controller could show symptoms like this. A crystal disk mark run with a large test size might illuminate some things.

[formal tusk]

Go get something like this
https://amzn.asia/d/ebMkFJi

Then

Go check your usbs

Unplug them one by one until things get better, test by downloading

If nothing improves try different display cables

And a different PC power plug

[formal tusk]

Remember my bad 7950x3d?

Similar symptoms

[blazing musk]

Vaguely recall

[formal tusk]

Backfeed voltage

Bad voltage source straight to io die

[blazing musk]

But not surprised with how many different issues you've seen over the years

[formal tusk]

Lmao

True

But it sounds similar

I suspect it's power related

A bad cable can cause that too

Hell, kill a cpu even (rip 12900k)

I suspect something in the system is a bad power source

[rich wadi]

Wait there was supposed to be a film?

[formal tusk]

Maybe a fan or hdd

Lol

Well a plastic film might also do it

[rich wadi]

I uh i shall go check

[blazing musk]

Nothing like an insulator over your hot components

[rich wadi]

I remember it being like a gray puddy that i just screwed over the top of the ssd

[formal tusk]

Ye did it feel greasy or smooth

[rich wadi]

Greasy

I think

[formal tusk]

Mightn't have a film then

[rich wadi]

Im not sure

[formal tusk]

Check anyway

[rich wadi]

Yeah I'll brb

[blazing musk]

Worth checking one way or the other ya

[rich wadi]

Thats gonna be fun to get to

[blazing musk]

Nah shouldn't be that bad

[rich wadi]

🥹

[cloud kiln]

me when the gpu is the hardest part to get out because the latch is so hard to get to

[blazing musk]

skill issue

[cloud kiln]

[rich wadi]

Oh you guys take out other parts first? I go straight for the part lmao

[cloud kiln]

💀

[blazing musk]

I like the way you think

[cloud kiln]

now that's harder than taking out the gpu

lmfao

[blazing musk]

Work harder not smarter

[cloud kiln]

ong

me when i get paid by the hour

[rich wadi]

The harder the better right 🥹

[blazing musk]

Nothing easy is worth doin

[rich wadi]

Im literally squeezing my hand in here just to unscrew it

Im so talented

I think i might just

Work smarter

[cloud kiln]

you just need the screwdriver extender

[formal tusk]

And the extender extender when that's not enough

[rich wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/ayling-bonfire-big-stick-gif-23947853

Me rn

[formal tusk]

Or if you're a baller, the extender pro™️

It extends it all

[blazing musk]

Don't forget the flex adapter

[formal tusk]

I'm a pcmr enthusiast I don't flex

[blazing musk]

Saved my bacon doing a flex adapter on a flex adapter doing my spark plugs

[formal tusk]

Lmfao

[cloud kiln]

make a chain out of universal joints

[formal tusk]

Bluds turning his screwdriver into a hard loop ass lookin rotater

[rich wadi]

I cant find my larger phillips head

Rip

I have returned to monkey brain unscrewing

With this pos

[formal tusk]

Waiting for the moment he realises taking the fans off helps

[rich wadi]

Oh my god

Youre a genius

[formal tusk]

[cloud kiln]

just get amazing finger strength and unscrew the thumb screws (not to be confused with the 17th century torture device) to take off the gpu frfr

[rich wadi]

Wow the ssd is so easy to reach now

Who couldve seen that coming

😭

[cloud kiln]

lmao

[blazing musk]

techie moment right there

[cloud kiln]

this is why felix is a techie frfr

[formal tusk]

[rich wadi]

Wooo no film

Wooo all that for nothing

[blazing musk]

Not for nothing, now we can rule out throttling

[formal tusk]

Not for nothing, you gained an IQ point in the process

[blazing musk]

Which points back to Felix's suggestion

[rich wadi]

And i assume i don't touch this paper right

[formal tusk]

Yes leave that

[rich wadi]

True!

[blazing musk]

Start unplugging usb

[formal tusk]

Does it have like

[rich wadi]

Now I'm at 32 instead of 31

[formal tusk]

A pool of grease on it

The P3

If you don't see that, then it definitively wasn't throttling

[rich wadi]

It's got a smidgen of grease