#storage-devices

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formal tusk
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Alr

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I mean all 3 are ok

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Though the time for high density nand is passing

verbal snow
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Later on I'll be swapping my other m.2 for a more quality for my blender stuff

formal tusk
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They used to be way cheaper

blazing musk
verbal snow
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It's just COD and future games for the SSD my mains are on good drives just want to slowly phase out my hard drives

formal tusk
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We get it, I'm just saying, a sata ssd is fine lol

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Even with the direct storage stuff the resulting improvements are minimal

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It'll be a looooonnnnggggg time before sata is truly out of fashion

blazing musk
formal tusk
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If you want less cables it's fine lol

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LOL

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I've never seen that

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Got a link?

blazing musk
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Ratchet and clank did it

verbal snow
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I might also snag up that 4tb 2.5 just to get my blender stuff off my external

formal tusk
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perhap

blazing musk
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Nahhhhhh

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PS5 has it's own directstorage thing anyway, it's why they require fast drives

verbal snow
formal tusk
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They might know of a good one for a better price

drowsy night
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So I screwed up and created a pool with a ssd that I just installed. I haven't formatted it. How do I undo the pool? It is in GTP.

outer pecan
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so are sata SSDs not really being manufactured anymore? was going to look for SK hynix's SSDs but they only have their NVMe drives unless youre buying off neweggs business site or ebay so far and looked more and also saw someone saying theyre becoming obsolete essentially? i was looking into getting one over a HDD and i cant really use another NVMe as im out of slots

blazing musk
outer pecan
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Oh they just don't do higher than 2TB...

real lava
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4tb exists too

blazing musk
outer pecan
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Oh I meant sk hynix doesn't do higher

kindred ether
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Hi, can the SSD Black SN770 M.2 PCIe Gen4 replace an SN730 NVMe SSD PYRITE in my Lenovo Yoga 6 laptop? Current drive has started buzzing (DOOM!), and I'd like something that works a little faster with my NAS anyway. Also, should I be able to just pop and swap it? The current laptop runs a little hot, so that was the only aspect I wasn't sure about. Thanks for any help!

blazing musk
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If you're worried about heat then get a PCIe 3.0 drive instead like the MP33/34

kindred ether
blazing musk
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That's the gist of it. 4.0 drives have faster sequential speeds but run much hotter. 5.0 is even hotter.

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Unless you're copying lots of large files from one SSD to another or editing 8k video you're probably fine using 3.0.

kindred ether
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Great - thanks so much, @blazing musk !

olive glade
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Pretty much for laptop don't need slowest or lowest buy don't need highest either or fastest either

real lava
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ye

glad oxide
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question, can I get an adapter, sata to m.2, my MB only has sata and m.2 are faster and usually cheaper, will it be faster or equal to the sata ssd if I use the adapter?

formal tusk
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Equal if it works

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Just be careful with those

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Ngff you enter the middle ground between jank and normal

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Would opt for a sata drive personally if that's what the board takes

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Maybe 2.5 if you want it to carry over to the next pc more easily

blazing musk
glad oxide
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does it matter if the mb is a bit older?

blazing musk
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Nope. I booted from one of those PCIe cards on my FX-8300 system, and I think that's 10 years old by now? If it's even older than that it'll still work but you can't boot from it.

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Not without BIOS mods at least

glad oxide
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because I kind need more storage, 500gb isn't enough anymore

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and a 1tb sata ssd isn't that cheap

blazing musk
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What processor is on the motherboard? That'll give me an idea of age

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Or better yet, what model motherboard if you know it

blazing musk
glad oxide
formal tusk
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That's a name I haven't heard for a hot minute

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Damm

glad oxide
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is that a good or bad thing?

blazing musk
# glad oxide i7 2600, its a fujitsu mb

Ok so it will work as a storage drive at the maximum speed the PCIe slot allows, which I believe will be 2.0 x4. That's still much faster than SATA.
You will not be able to boot from the M.2 drive.

glad oxide
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I will still use my mx500 to boot

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I just want extra storage

blazing musk
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It will work perfectly for that

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For reference, most SATA drives top out around 500 MB/s

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So it is still faster than that

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Especially considering you likely only have SATA 2, which is half that speed

glad oxide
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fujitsu d2990-a2

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mb

blazing musk
glad oxide
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apparently it only supports up to 3Gbit/s

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my ssd does 6

blazing musk
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Correct

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That's SATA 2

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I can see that the bottom PCIe slot has a cutout to allow you to put longer cards than the x1 interface supports so you can still use that $10 adapter card I linked

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Plus one of these 1TB drives
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/zR3H99,64MTwP,nJCFf7,QJHqqs/
Or 2TB if you want larger, just make sure you have 64 bit OS to support larger than this size of drive.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FVTZxr/adata-xpg-gammix-s60-blade-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-agammixs60-2t-cs

ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Dri...

ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive vs. TEAMGROUP MP33 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive vs. ADATA XPG GAMMIX S7 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive vs. ADATA XPG GAMMIX S60 Blade 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

ADATA XPG GAMMIX S60 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid Sta...

ADATA XPG GAMMIX S60 Blade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (AGAMMIXS60-2T-CS)

glad oxide
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will it run at 3Gbit with the adapter?

blazing musk
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PCIe 2.0 x1 is 5Gb

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So that's what it will run at

dense merlin
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for a laptop id prob just do ud90 or mp34

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unless you need high read/write speeds

glad oxide
blazing musk
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That's what the adapter card is for

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PCIe is a very cross compatible spec so different speeds and generations work interchangeably, and that's what NVMe M.2 drives run on.

olive glade
blazing musk
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3.0 drives will use less power and generate less heat so they're more ideal for laptops

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Plus gaming doesn't care what SSD you're on

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Even SATA drives are fine

olive glade
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Ok ya that sounds good

fallow nest
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File explorer stuck on calculating when deleting files from x10 pro sad_cry

uncut cosmos
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What are some good 2tb SSD recommendations?

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Currently Crucial T500 2tb is listed for like 130€ in Germany, is it a recommended piece?

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maybe a 4tb?

blazing musk
# uncut cosmos What are some good 2tb SSD recommendations?

This is a B tier drive and one of the best priced 2TB drives right now
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/dntLrH/lexar-nm620-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-lnm620x002t-rnnng
For 4TB options maybe
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/2BvD4D,cDJp99/

Lexar NM620 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (LNM62...

Lexar NM620 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (LNM620X002T-RNNNG)

Silicon Power UD90 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive...

Silicon Power UD90 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive vs. Lexar NM790 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

novel turret
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I'm looking at Lexar 4TB

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I wonder if i want to save money and go for gen3 4tb?

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Gen3/4 speeds won't matter because it'll be my gaming storage drive primarily

dense merlin
novel turret
vague oxide
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Mp33 or nm620 512gb ? derpyBlob

minor sun
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If same price, nm620 prob

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But 512gb tend to be just barely cheaper than 1tb

vague oxide
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Go with mp33 better ?

minor sun
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Nm620 512gb vs mp33 1tb? Go mp33 1tb for the extra space, nm620 is just a bit better

vague oxide
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Okey thanks

quiet sparrow
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What are good drive temps

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Mine seems to be max 58C

formal tusk
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Below 90-ish

quiet sparrow
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90C????

formal tusk
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Mhm

quiet sparrow
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Jesus ok

formal tusk
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Don't go sticking a hair dryer on your pc omg

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Just under 90 is fine

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Lol

quiet sparrow
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Yeah I just don’t have heatsyncson my ssds now

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All my temps seem kinda wack now with the new mobo idk why

formal tusk
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Drank some monkey blood and came alive, did it

quiet sparrow
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Seems like it

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When downloading a game how what’s a good write speed

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I feel like it’s objectively slow

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90mb/s

blazing musk
quiet sparrow
blazing musk
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At which point it's limited by your CPU extracting the compressed files

quiet sparrow
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Drive temps at 78 for some reason ugh

fringe mesa
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There a reliable utility that can handle scanning 16tb hard drives? Like 15 of them to restore about 4tb of image and sound files? My network pc I use for family network, got an update it shouldn't have, which resulted in half the hard drives reassigning letters, and worse, dropped several folders that have 19 years of family movies, images, all gone. Was in hospital when it happened, but thankfully my son pulled the plug before anything could be written. 2/3 luckily are backed up, but 1/3 that was lost, also was a backup. Looked up a lot of different programs, but only ones that looked promising, only support up to 3tb drives, and I got to scan 15 drives, because I got zero clue which is which do to the letters being reassigned.

blazing musk
cloud kiln
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if the data is very important, i might even would recommend bringing it to a data recovery service since they probably have better tools
also shouldnt be as expensive since there isnt any broken hardware; just a large amount of lost files

real lava
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Best to do that too

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Scanning could overwrite the data deleted

cloud kiln
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On a different note, why were you using windows for a file server

rigid folio
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can i use a regular external hard drive as a windows 11 boot drive?

cloud kiln
fringe mesa
# blazing musk Try Recuva. Large files may be unrecoverable if it's NTFS formatted, that's just...

Windows 11, and I think it was NTFS. The image files can go as large as 8.5 mb. After for why windows? When I built 3 new I7s, and my own I9, I was quick to notice how much the speed of the PC was dragged having sata drives in same system with the nvme. Painfully evident. So I moved all the drives to my older gigabyte system and used it for storage of things I don't use often, like my movie library or steam library. Found out the update failed and screwed up the drives, because the cr2032 died and when the system powered off, it lost its settings, once of which needed to be on to make it windows 11 compatible. That motherboard eats those batteries up every 8 months. Hence why I built new systems in 2022. I had a really good utility for restoring files, but sadly, it's on the drive that lost it's folders. Sorry for late reply. This android is sending me zero notifications from discord.

cloud kiln
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bleh

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ntfs

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not a great filesystem for a fileserver

fringe mesa
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Yup. All NTSF. So when did NTSF stop being a thing. Obviously after 2022

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Brb

real lava
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No, NTFS is the windows' file system. It never disappeared

fringe mesa
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I found the utility, on my old IDE pin drive. 2005. Definitely not good to use today lol. The only time I ever lost files, was in 2005 when I went to install msdos on another drive, and it installed wrong drive. 2tb, and worse, had to find a tool to fix it first because the system was picking it up as another hard drive type. I like old Sierra and Ultima games lol

fringe mesa
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Be back in a bit. Got a lot of research to do. Looks like most utilities once they scan, destroy chances of anything else working.

cloud kiln
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using truenas

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(SMB allows your windows pcs to discover the network share easily)

blazing musk
blazing musk
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That way you don't have to worry about losing drive letters, the file system itself knows what disk goes where.

civic sparrow
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Any suggestions on ssd 1tb fr ps5

blazing musk
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Should be plenty fast enough to make the PS5 happy

civic sparrow
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blazing musk
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nocturne valve
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hi! Did KingSpec are good reliable SSD? And how about support?? thanks is advance 😃

cloud kiln
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though that's also mostly because of people using it for narrating things that didnt need to be narrated

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and/or literally just "information" they made up

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☠️

blazing musk
nocturne valve
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Any problem with Crucial? Or should I stay with Samsung and WD black, more expensive? I need a second SSD, C: is more then 70% full...

blazing musk
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I'd recommend team group, their MP33 and MP34 drives are good and cheap. I use one personally.

nocturne valve
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ok gonna take a look 🔍

torn palm
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hello, so i was thinking of doing a fresh install of windows and i was wondering: since i have two m.2 drives; one with the windows OS and games on it, and another drive with work files. Would it be possible to just remove the work drive from the PC so it doesnt get wiped? and then what would be the process for putting the drive back into the PC? do i put it in after wiping and before installing windows again? or do it put it in after installing windows?

woeful solar
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For a more straightforward wipe, put them in after you install windows

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Obviously don't plug them back in while the PC is running

woeful solar
blazing musk
torn palm
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@woeful solar @blazing musk thank you guys for the help!!! time for me to get to workDuck_Dance

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(i love waiting for windows to install 1_emojipain )

turbid crater
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will i lose my data on my 2 nvmes and 1 hdds when i upgrade to win11?

real lava
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no

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i've honestly not heard of such a thing happening

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unless you clean install and manually format all of your drives that is

brisk dome
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yeah a normal upgrade/update from 10 to 11 will retain all your files

cerulean monolith
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what's a good DISK cloning software again? my old HDD is losin it's speed, i think it's dyin soon. had it for almost 10 years, also refurbished too

cloud kiln
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Clonezilla if you know how to use a tui

blazing musk
brisk dome
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Seconding Macrium Reflect. Very easy to use for a clone

blazing musk
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The biggest thing is there's effectively no limits to the free version a home user would run into

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Other ones have arbitrary limits like a 20GB max size

full basin
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can i get some help on a M.2 I'm looking to buy one but want to make sure I don't buy one that's not compatible with my motherboard as i had bought one that I believe was a nan-d and it would not detect the m.2 i ended up buying a regular nvme m.2 so I don't want to end up buying something and it not working again.... I'm currently running a B350 Tomahawk MB which if i remember correctly is Gen3 x4 though i want to buy a Gen 4 x4 as i will be upgrading i am just currently needing more storage space on main HD as 1tb is not enough to work with

dense merlin
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Also any 2280 size nvme ssd would work with that motherboard

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NAND is what ssds are made out of

full basin
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ok yea not sure about the details just know a little bit though i gave it to a relitive and it works for them but didnt for me not sure why

cloud kiln
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idk why it wouldnt detect on your mobo... maybe it was a sata m,2 ssd? and then your mobo has that weird thing that it doesnt follow the standard and doesnt support sata?

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the mobo page doesnt say it doesnt support sata on the m.2

full basin
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well at one point it was shutting down my Sata ports

blazing musk
full basin
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yes i know i am getting a Gen 4 x4 mb later its temp running on Gen 3x4

cloud kiln
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99% of the stuff you would be doing would not notice any difference

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well, this is just me assuming that all you're doing is gaming and regular office work

full basin
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yea i dont do any graphics designing though i am dabbling in some for certain games

steady dawn
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shoulld i get the Toshiba Canvio Flex external drive

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a webite said it can Read speeds up to: 1050 MB/s (5Gbit/s) how is that possibly its not an sdd ?

woeful solar
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It is a hard disk lol

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That's the theoretical limit of USB 3.0

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It's technically up to 4.8GB/s

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you'll never reach anywhere close to that, just look at any reviews of it

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Usually 150MB/s or something is pretty common

cloud kiln
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also 1050 megabytes a second isnt 5 gigabits a second?

blazing musk
honest pawn
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Sup guys im having trouble with an external solid state of mine. The drive seems to be corrupted but i cant seem to trouble shoot it at all. Reason being every time i try to plug in the drive to my laptop to trouble shoot file explorer and eventually windows stops responding, as soon as i unplug the drive everything goes back to normal. All my drivers are up to date. I was wondering if there was anything that you guys would know how to do that would help me with my issue. I am open to wiping the drive completely as all i have on there are a couple movies and games

cloud kiln
honest pawn
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i do not

cloud kiln
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Or maybe even try to connect it to a phone if you don't have one

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Hnm

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Hmm

honest pawn
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unfortunately i dont have the adapter to connect to my phone

cloud kiln
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You could possibly try to access it with a live Linux usb

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But that would require another drive that is empty and at least.... 8gb? 4gb?

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One thing you can try before this is to try using another usb cable if possible for your ssd

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In case of a faulty cablr

honest pawn
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i already switched cables so im 90% sure its the drive itself

honest pawn
# cloud kiln In case of a faulty cablr

I got ahold of another device and im currently running chkdsk on his laptop, anything else you could think of that i should try while i have access to another device?

cloud kiln
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How old is the drive? And has it ever been dropped or such

honest pawn
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it has been dropped once or twice, but it was working fine, then today it just crapped out trying to load up garry's mod

honest pawn
cloud kiln
# honest pawn drive is rougly 6 months old

In that case, you might want to RMA?
You could try using Linux to try to format it, but that's a bit of a pain especially since I don't remember all the commands needed, nor am I even 100% sure if it would work

cerulean monolith
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What would be some reasons for a m.2 ssd (samsung 980 pro 1tb) shut down?

recently clean installed
drivers and firmware up to date
graphic intensive games usually lead system/ssd to crash
Adequate cooling, gpu is 72c, m.2 has a heatsink with the b550 aorurs pro p motherboard

dense merlin
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Stock with said firmware is still mixed in with current stock

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That's a possibility

cerulean monolith
dense merlin
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Not from what I know

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Could've sworn it was all 980 variants, and 970 evo/evo plus

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And 990*

cerulean monolith
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thing is, i've had it since 2021, i've been able to read and write into it for these past years and samsung software deems it in "good" health with "91.3 tb written" (though i don't really move software or files alot, probably for forced shut downs it had).
so im not sure as to what else could've been the problem atm

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and crystal disks say 92% health

cerulean monolith
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Maybe the preformance settings in the samsung software will help?
Im tryin that

dense merlin
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thought it was a new drive

cerulean monolith
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It crashed around 60c...

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usually, sound in game would mute first, but im still able to play for a few more seconds before the other programs would follow with irresponsiveness, then crash to a blue screen.

often after crashing, the m.2 boot drive wouldn't be recognized until i do a hard power reset on the psu.

cerulean monolith
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Would the motherboard m.2 slot be a possible fault? Maybe it could also be due to the heat from the system havin an effect on the motherboard?

cerulean monolith
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Maybe its just the m.2 heatin more than its supposed to, even with motherboard tools its not doin good.
So whats a really good active cooling m.2 ssd heatsink that i can use?

cloud kiln
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usually a heatsink/spreader + case airflow is enough

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60c is rather cool

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my ssd can go to 90c and thermal throttle while doing downloads

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though without a heatsink

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i do have to turn up my case fans and then it drops down to 85 which is enough for it to speed back up

cerulean monolith
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then maybe it's a motherboard problem, where it's already been through some stress that the m.2 slot fails at a certian heat point then...

brisk dome
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I doubt the slot would be affected by heat unless there's like a short or something

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Heat is going to be coming from the chips on the ssd

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Not the m.2 key

cerulean monolith
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then im not sure why my system is crashing from the m.2 side. system os runs for a quick while before sound cuts off, workin off memory for a while, then blue screen crash from a unknown hardware error.

part of the reason i inisit it on bein the m.2 is because the m.2 is always not recognized after every crash and can't find the boot device until i hard reset the psu to let the m.2 be found again

brisk dome
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Like bacca said, could be firmware

cerulean monolith
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its up to date, can't exactly roll back firmware off a 2021 device

cerulean monolith
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i believe i have fixed it, it was overheating due to other parts in the case. seems like the pad on the motherboard issued heatsink is bad now. may as well go for a new heatsink anyways

still bay
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I currently have an Asus strix b550-f Wi-Fi Mobo with a 5600x (I'll soon upgrade to a 5700x3d not sure if it has more pcie lanes or if I'm just bound by chipset)

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Will I have enough pcie lanes to be able to run one or two of those nvme cards?

minor sun
minor sun
still bay
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Ah okay, so I'm just bound by chipset

minor sun
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Although iirc b550 all chipset lanes are gen 3 so you'll be stuck with gen 3 on the second pcie slot

still bay
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This has 4 pcie 3 slots

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I don't mind the slower speeds

minor sun
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I'm guessing it's a card with 4 m.2 slots?

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That's meant for x16 slot dividing into 4 x4, might not support x4 dividing into 4 x1

still bay
still bay
minor sun
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A single x4 card supporting a single m.2 drive using 4 lanes should work fine up to the normal gen 3 x4 bandwidth

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Pcie is backwards compatible so gen 4 drives should be fine running at gen 3 speeds in that slot

still bay
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If I upgrade later to a x670/x670e platform I should be able to use them all right?

minor sun
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I will have to warn you I haven't been able to see the product that was linked due to mobile data, so I'm not completely sure so you might want to double check it
(Looks okay at a glance, the page hasn't loaded past the first image)

minor sun
still bay
still bay
minor sun
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(2 x4 from CPU and 1 x4 from chipset typically dedicated for m.2 slots on x670 boards)

blazing musk
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Not every board supports every feature after all

still bay
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Thank you both for the help! Will def ask if I eventually upgrade the board and cpu instead of just the CPU and stay on the same platform. If I do upgrade Mobo too, I might as well just wait for the next gen.

blazing musk
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AMD has their next gen coming at the end of this month so you won't be waiting long

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X3D chips come a couple months later, along with the new motherboard chipset

hearty wyvern
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It's an MSI GE Series GE76 10UG-031CA Raider 17.3"

cloud kiln
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Though falcie kinda mentioned it

still bay
blazing musk
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Intel is expected to launch in December so by then hopefully we'll see AMD 9000X3D sales

dense merlin
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Mp44q is still great, but if you need it for professional use the extra would be worth it

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*depending on what professional use

still bay
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That and maybe media

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Not a very demanding use

dense merlin
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Mp44q is a great choice then

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If you wanted to go 4tb, it's $225

still bay
dense merlin
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Yes, I haven't seen that before

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1300tbw

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Funilly mp44q 2tb is cheaper on tiktok shop

still bay
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Alright, so if I go for 2tb the g50 is better, but if I go for 4tb I should get MP44Q

dense merlin
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$94

still bay
dense merlin
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Yeah, they added a storefront a while back

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It's actually sold by newegg through tiktok shop in this instance

still bay
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Ahhh ok, that's cool. I didn't know I don't use tiktok.

near trellis
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hey guys, if im getting an SSD to edit off of (on a mac), which one is more worth it:

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Samsung T7, 1050mb/s, $142
Samsung T9, 2000mb/s, $237

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both are 2TB

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basically asking if i need the 2000mb/s or will 1050 be sufficient

blazing musk
near trellis
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or can those ssds not plug in?

blazing musk
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They do but they're exceptionally slow and expensive. You're far better off getting an enclosure with a drive of your choice.

near trellis
blazing musk
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A shell to hold the SSD and connect by USB

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Which model mac, so I know what speed your USB ports run

near trellis
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also the mac i have is a Macbook Pro with M3 chip

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8 core cpu and 10 core gpu

blazing musk
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Alright that has USB 4.0 ports so you can get a MUCH faster drive. It'll be worth it for editing so you don't have lag while you're scrubbing through footage.

near trellis
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ohh okay, what do you recommend getting?

blazing musk
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Hang on, I'm grabbing links

near trellis
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i will spend up to like $250 probs if its worth it but hopefully less

blazing musk
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Definitely under $200 total

near trellis
#

okay awesome

blazing musk
# near trellis i will spend up to like $250 probs if its worth it but hopefully less

This enclosure https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B14QY7MZ?th=1
Plus this drive https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09QVD9V7R?th=1
Ends up just under $200, and it's one of the best SSDs you can get.

ORICO M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure 40Gbps PCIe3.0x4 USB Type-C Aluminum A...

ORICO M208 M.2 NVMe Enclosure, engineered for exceptional speed and performance. Utilizing the 40Gbps USB Type C interface, it offers extreme data transfer speeds up to 40Gbps, with theoretical read and write speeds reaching 3000MB/s, perfect for transforming your internal SSD into a portable ext...

SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 M.2 2280 Internal Gaming S...

Experience the breakthrough upgrade from a global tech pioneer. SK hynix Platinum P41 delivers the 176-layer NAND, fastest-in-class speed, easy data migration, and 5-year warranty. The latest innovation from the world’s second-largest memory maker, Platinum P41 is designed to provide striking per...

near trellis
blazing musk
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Yes

near trellis
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very cool. thanks so much for your help!!!

blazing musk
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It'll be 3 times faster than that T9 drive for cheaper too

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Happy to help

woeful solar
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Oh wait, hang on we wanted faster speeds didn't we

blazing musk
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Much faster for video editing yes. A full 40Gbps port exists so I wanted to take full advantage.

woeful solar
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This is absolutely fair, I was more than okay with a sub 1000MB r/w cause mine is a game drive

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And also a light video editing drive but it's just game recordings

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Maybe when I find it not enough I'll get the orico one lol

small carbon
#

I run my MP34 in that exact sabrent enclosure & feels pretty fine to mine (game usage). It's not even a bottleneck for many games that won't go over 1GB/s on the P41 plat in mobo.

near trellis
#

@blazing musk hey so i got the enclosure and ssd, but i wasnt sure where to put the cooling pad (i think its called that). it looks like the ssd already has one built in, but the enclosure comes with one and says to place it on top of the ssd. i dont think it really fits. should i still be putting it on or should i just put the ssd in alone?

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i can send pictures if that helps

blazing musk
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You can take off the one that's on the SSD already

near trellis
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ok and replace it with the one the enclosure gives me?

blazing musk
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Yes

near trellis
#

okay awesome thank you!

serene laurel
#

I need a good external SSD that will be used for photo backup and long term storage- 1TB. I’m guessing a good option would be a standard m.2 nvme with a usb C enclosure. I’m looking for recommendations for both the drive and the enclosure- reliability is important. Any good suggestions?

dense merlin
# serene laurel I need a good external SSD that will be used for photo backup and long term stor...

I don't know much abt enclosures, but here's some ssd reccs
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VhbTwP/hp-fx900-pro-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4a3u0aaabb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2x4Ycf/teamgroup-mp44l-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fpk001t0c101

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rqhv6h/western-digital-blue-sn580-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t3b0e

HP FX900 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (4A3U...

HP FX900 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (4A3U0AA#ABB)

TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (T...

TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (TM8FPK001T0C101)

Western Digital Blue SN580 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid Sta...

Western Digital Blue SN580 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (WDS100T3B0E)

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Fx900 pro is on par with high end ssds like the 980 pro, gm7000, p41, etc

serene laurel
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Thank you so much!

cloud kiln
#

I would recommend archival tapes but those have way too high of a price of entry

blazing musk
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HDDs are no more reliable than a good SSD at this point. The difference is when a HDD is dying, you'll often notice a problem in how it sounds or performs. When a SSD is failing, your data goes POOF.

cloud kiln
blazing musk
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If it's left plugged in and just not accessed frequently then the SSD is fine, but if not your right the cells need to be refreshed once in a while

cloud kiln
serene laurel
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I should clarify. My fiancée is a photographer, and she wants to keeps copies of all her galleries on an external drive as well as her MacBook. That way she’ll have them backed up to the cloud in her gallery website, on the Mac, and on a drive. The drive could be used in different devices like the iPad Pro as well. It would be accessed maybe once a week. I would like to get her an ssd for the speed sake, but it doesn’t have to be the fastest out there. The fx900 one that bacca recommended looks alright to me so far

cloud kiln
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ah

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in that case, yeah ssds are fine

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though tbf, it's not like hdds are that slow for cool/cold storage like this

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just photos and maybe some videos

blazing musk
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Decent HDDs can easily copy at over 150MB/s

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But if your videos are in the high double digits of GB then you might want faster

cloud kiln
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I mean, most photographers don't really take many lengthy video shots?

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Idk

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The wedding photographers I see generally only take photos

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And only for certain things may take a video

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It's not like cinematography where basically everything is a video

woeful solar
#

then again, with an ssd you wouldn't have to worry basically at all about vibrations or impacts dislodging something in the HDD

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and it's way smaller to carry around

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well, way might be a slight exaggeration but still, it's definitely smaller

cloud kiln
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lmao

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yeah true, i would walk to my classes with nothing but a ssd in my pocket because all my rooms for my tech courses all have pcs at every desk

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so i ended up not even needing my laptop

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left it in my dorm except for maybe 1 or 2 classes

hushed timber
#

Yo can someone help me? Im trying to figure out where i can install my hdd its too big and theres no space in my case

blazing musk
#

What case is it

hushed timber
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It says it supports hdd 2.5 and 3.5

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I could dm you a pic of my case from behind if you dont mind

blazing musk
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Ok

cloud kiln
#

foam tape mount goes hard

cerulean monolith
bitter thunder
blazing musk
#

2009? That's fairly likely. They tend to use magnets with an expected life of 10 years.

real lava
#

Sounds like it's CNC'ing itself

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Making grooves on the platters

bitter thunder
#

Haha yeah it’s a clients drive he dropped off…we are sending it out for data recovery for him to clean room ha

plush crag
#

Even so, wouldn't that just slow down the drive over time?

blazing musk
#

Magnets naturally lose their magnetism over time

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Which results in incorrect bits being read or written

plush crag
#

That's so negligible - aside from external influence, like hard acceleration. Or do you mean the platter?

blazing musk
#

It is negligible, that's why they have an expected life span of 10 years but regularly hit 15+

plush crag
#

I thought it was like a percent / 100 years

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Maybe that's enough to throw things out of wack, given hdd tolerances, but idk

brisk dome
plush crag
#

That's referring to the storage medium itself

cloud kiln
#

1%/y would be incredibly fast for neodymium

blazing musk
#

You'd be running on the assumption they sprang for neodymium

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There's a lot of cheap magnets that claim to be but aren't really

cloud kiln
#

I doubt they would be using cheap magnets in a hard drive though?

blazing musk
#

If they can save money anywhere you know they're going to do it

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It's a business after all

cloud kiln
cloud kiln
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But I feel like that probably would make for a hugely unreliable HDD

blazing musk
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Only in the long term

cloud kiln
#

Seems like neodymium is more stable with higher temperatures though
Less magnetic strength loss (reversible) per degree than the other materials

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As temperatures raises I mean

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Idk how important a consistent magnetic strength is for a HDD, but maybe that's a reason why they may go for neodymium

woeful solar
#

As I see it it's fairly important since that's the main mechanism in which they store data

sharp folio
#

Any reason not to get a 4TB 990 PRO instead of a 2TB?

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Ignoring the price

cloud kiln
blazing musk
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990 pro is one of the drives known to spontaneously die due to bad firmware

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There was 3 or 4 bad versions

sharp folio
sharp folio
cloud kiln
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for the most part

sharp folio
#

Isn't there a speed difference?

cloud kiln
#

the majority of home users dont need anything more than a gen 3 drive imo

cloud kiln
# sharp folio Isn't there a speed difference?

more bandwidth yes
which means you can get more data in/out faster assuming the nand and controller can handle it

but the problem is, most consumer applications dont need this speed, and the drive is really just idling most of the time

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it may speed up downloads and stuff, but that's stuff that isnt happening on a frequent basis, at least for files that are large enough to matter

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also isnt a 990 pro still a gen 4 drive

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yeah it's a gen 4 drive

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990 evo is the gen 5 drive it seems

dense merlin
small carbon
#

You really need a single 4TB drive right now? Perhaps go something like sn850x or a gen 3 option is MP34. I have the later actually. 990 evo is 2 lanes so it acts like some gen 4 drives.

blazing musk
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The only people able to use the potential of a 5.0 drive are people editing long 8k+ videos

dense merlin
#

I'd suggest
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pFNYcf/teamgroup-mp44q-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8ffd002t0c101
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4KRYcf/western-digital-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t3x0e
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mnxRsY/hp-fx900-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-4a3u1aaabb

TEAMGROUP MP44Q 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (T...

TEAMGROUP MP44Q 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (TM8FFD002T0C101)

Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid St...

Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E)

HP FX900 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (4A3U...

HP FX900 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (4A3U1AA#ABB)

small carbon
#

Perhaps skip p44 pro if it's got the eventual low write speed issue that P41 plat has. Can confirm, but it's only on my peak sequential speed. The "4K" & such write speed numbers are still great (similar to my sn850)

minor sun
#

P44 pro does have updated firmware if there's some bug with p41

small carbon
minor sun
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Mine is around 2000mb/s write but that's to be expected being 95% full lol

image.png
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I'll go clean it up and see how much storage I can save

minor sun
small carbon
#

That's why I tried screenshotted it from the title, haha.

minor sun
#

2000mb/s is what it should be getting if it's just writing to native nand and not pslc cache

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It's probably just once its filled up beyond x% it'll just write to native nand

small carbon
#

Here we go

image-3.png
minor sun
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I'm just suspicious because that is the normal sustained write speeds when you run out of pslc cache on a brand new fresh drive

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small carbon
minor sun
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I dunno, but I wouldn't blame the drive yet, it might be a firmware issue that makes you use native too early when it could still be using pslc maybe?

sharp folio
#

Can you pull the heatsink off of a 980 PRO?

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Samsung has a 1TB for $25 cheaper than anyone else does even without a heatsink

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nvm Amazon has it for $90

dense merlin
#

Fx900 pro matches it at $68

sharp folio
dense merlin
#

Is it 2015?

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Samsung had one of the biggest F ups I can think of in the last few years with ssds

sharp folio
#

Yeah, with the 990 Pro

dense merlin
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As well as two other models

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The 980 pro included

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970 Evo plus being the third

sharp folio
#

What about the 980 Evo Plus?

dense merlin
#

Unsure

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Didn't know that existed

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But again

sharp folio
#

Evo Pro maybe

dense merlin
#

Fx900 pro just as good and cheaper. P44 pro is better and cheaper

sharp folio
#

Yeah Evo Pro

dense merlin
#

P44 pro is the singular best gen 4 ssd, unless it's been dethroned

sharp folio
#

Solidigm?

dense merlin
#

And the 990 pro being pcie 5.0 x2 doesn't exactly give it a head up over the p44

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Yes

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Which is a sub division of hynix

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Samsung uses some hynix things lol

sharp folio
blazing musk
#

Every company has a few problem products

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Generally Hynix makes good memory/NAND

sharp folio
#

I think it was memory that I'm thinking of

dense merlin
#

Nothing comes to mind for me

minor sun
#

Hynix ddr4 was kinda bad outside of like djr

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Hynix ddr5 is amazing

woeful solar
#

I still remember when Samsung SSDs had an issue

sinful salmon
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cuz something like the Silicon Power US70 has like 3× the TBW of the P44 Pro

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or that don't really matter?

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But also like the P44 Pro is like 30% cheaper and faster in writes and reads so

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US70 claimed: 4400MB/s writes, 5000MB/s reads, 3600TB TBW
P44 Pro claimed: 6500MB/s writes, 7000MB/s reads, 1200 TB TBW

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does TBW even matter?

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cuz claiming 3× the endurance at relatively comparable speeds seems kinda too good to be true

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Like I'm genuinely willing to pay a little more for endurance

But if it's not going to give the endurance they say then it's literally pointless to pay more

blazing musk
sinful salmon
#

my 1tb P41 Plus that I've used for over a year is still 99% health

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tho Solidigm software doesn't show how much a drive was written

blazing musk
#

My MP33 has 10TB written and reports 100% health

sinful salmon
#

This is in bytes?

image.png
blazing musk
#

idk for that software

sinful salmon
#

Synergy Toolkit

sharp folio
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My EVO Plus is at 25TBW

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I don't know how

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Oh wait

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build tools

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Also runs the hottest because of where it is

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How many M.2s can you have on a B650 before you start losing USB ports or SATA ports?

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Specifically Aorus Elite AX

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870 QVO is already dropping health when it was never really used at all before a few months ago :/

small carbon
#

QLC drives never had a great rep, and that's 1 of them.

dense merlin
#

My pny cs900 is still doing ok

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Been in use almost 4 years I think?

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Still in the 90s I believe

sharp folio
minor sun
#

Both nand itself is rated for the same 3000 p/e cycles

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Bics4 and Hynix's 176l tlc

minor sun
sharp folio
woeful solar
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Program/Erase cycles

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basically how many times a nand chip is written/erased to

sinful salmon
#

Damn, in that case yeah spending more is stupid

minor sun
#

beyond a certain point its just marketing

sinful salmon
#

I guess saving 30% it is then

sinful salmon
#

Most vendors don't order the new stuff until old stock is cleared

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And they don't exactly move very large volumes of SSDs so stuff tends to sit for a while

woeful solar
#

how much writes they are willing to warranty you for

real lava
#

I wrote my wd green ssd way past its rated tbw

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Guess what, it's still healthy

cloud kiln
real lava
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lmao

blazing musk
cloud kiln
sharp folio
minor sun
#

1tb prices can be wack sometimes

sharp folio
#

Anything I should know about 512GB Micron 2400 NVMes?

dusk turtle
#

Very slow for a gen 4 drive

sharp folio
#

Do they last?

formal tusk
#

I just generally don't recommend them unless they're ridiculously cheap

dusk turtle
#

I wouldn't get one, those writes are horrendous

formal tusk
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Particular ones like the P3(?) are horrible performing

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QLC with longevity in mind but nasty perf

dusk turtle
#

150 TBW

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There's a Hynix drive that's twice as fast for less than I can find the Micron 2400's for. Looking for a TBW tho. The Gold drives I have are 1,200 TBW

formal tusk
#

P31 gold is still a nice buy on a good sale

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If you want cheap @sharp folio , it has to be better than these, otherwise jps600 is ok, or mp44q/vp4300 lite*

dusk turtle
#

Just as fast as those Micron drives too, despite being different gens

sharp folio
formal tusk
#

So a cheap oem drive

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Well use it or lose it ig

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Very normal for brands to do that

sharp folio
#

Probably going to wait until Black Friday and get a Solidigm NVMe

sharp folio
#

Which would explain that

dusk turtle
#

Musta been because 1800 MB's writes is really slow. That's even slower than Gen 3

sharp folio
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1800?

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lmao

dusk turtle
#

yes

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4000 MB/s reads

#

that's Gen 3 territory

sharp folio
#

Well I guess you can trick some people by saying you have the first gen 4 NVMe and providing absolutely no speed

sinful salmon
#

@dusk turtle @dense merlin is Solidigm P44 Pro still the meta SSD choice?

small carbon
#

It's in the group of top ssds, yeah. Sn850x is also great if it's price is similar.

dense merlin
sinful salmon
cloud kiln
#

they just affect loading times

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and the games that require an ssd to run well also dont really care

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they're just taking advantage of the random iops speed that ssds have compared to the slower seek times of hdds

sinful salmon
minor sun
#

Whatever is the cheapest decent drive at the moment

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Depending on needs it could be anything from mp33 to mp44q and others

dense merlin
#

Mp44l, mp44q, and p44 pro are the good 2tb choices rn

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Ofc up to personal opinion

tender phoenix
#

Hello

cerulean monolith
#

what ssd is better than a samsung 980 pro overall? especially with firmware

dense merlin
#

And are you in the us?

cerulean monolith
#

US and maybe 2tb upgrade

dense merlin
cerulean monolith
#

yes. 4k

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actually anim workk too

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along with vid editing

dense merlin
cerulean monolith
#

still havin issues with m.2 crashin in games, monitored temps and didn't seem to be part of it. so frustrated i wanna swap to something else. ty for the rec

dense merlin
cerulean monolith
#

ryzen 3900x

dense merlin
#

I thought my ssd was failing too, turns out intel is just silly goofy

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Ah ok just wanted to check that first

cerulean monolith
#

it's all gen 4 parts, paired with a Aorus B550M pro P motherboard.

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still unsure why it's crashing despite the case not bein hot

dense merlin
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Oh i misread that

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What power supply and gpu?

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And have you checked windows event viewer after any crashes?

cerulean monolith
#

NEVERMIND! i don't know anymore!
Even on HDD the system crashes. Maybe the motherboard is bad

cerulean monolith
dense merlin
#

I'd say 97% confidence

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What gpu and power supply do you have

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Also don't continue doing what's causing it to restart for right now

cerulean monolith
#

3080ti and a 750W corsair

dense merlin
#

If it is psu, it can cause damage. Sounds like it hasn't since pc still turns on, but I wouldn't continue trying it

dense merlin
#

3080 ti has major power spikes

cerulean monolith
#

had a similar problem before in june, then i swapped out the CPU cable as it had problems

dense merlin
#

It's known to trip even some good 850s.

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What model 750 is it, rme, rmx, etc?

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And esp with a 3900x, a fairly power hungry cpu

cerulean monolith
#

850W PSU, the RM850X, mb

dense merlin
#

Ohh

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Among the best psus lmao

cerulean monolith
#

i've had 100 watts to spare though, i was sure the 100 watt headroom would save it

dense merlin
#

I would still check all psu connections

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And for the gpu, are you using separate cables from the psu?

cerulean monolith
#

again, i swapped the CPU cable, then there wasn't an issue... if anything, since I've been thinking. maybe the motherboard cable maybe damaged then?

dense merlin
#

Or using 3/4 connectors from 2 cables

cerulean monolith
#

been using seperate cables for the gpu, no daisy chain stuff/ 2 x 8pin plugs for the gpu

dense merlin
#

I doubt mobo is the issue here

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I would see if felix is around tmrw I'm too tired to be of more help right now

cerulean monolith
#

so then it's possibly the cables or the wall plug socket then?

dense merlin
#

Probably

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Try power limiting gpu with msi afterburner

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And double check every cable, on both ends

cerulean monolith
#

am kinda usin an old school pc plug station too...

dense merlin
#

Try it without

cerulean monolith
#

oki, time to do the power set up again with a different hub, coolio

dense merlin
#

Oh @formal tusk

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You here?

dense merlin
#

Rm850x 3900x 850w rmx

cloud kiln
#

Crashes as in like, black screen?

dense merlin
#

Oh I forgot to ask that lol

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@cerulean monolith how does it crash

cerulean monolith
#

flash blue screen, whea incorrectable error, then instant reboot

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all within 1 second

cloud kiln
#

Within 1 second? Impressive that you managed to read the error code lol

cerulean monolith
#

i filmed it when it happened again, in multiple attempts just to read the error

dense merlin
#

Oh that's ram

cerulean monolith
#

no, did an intensive ram test, came out all clean

dense merlin
#

Hm

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How long?

cerulean monolith
#

like 6 hours

dense merlin
#

Ram can be very funky sometimes

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What ram kit is it?

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Tbf I doubt it would be as consistent of a crash as it is if it were ram

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Consistency and the way it's crashing still sounds like some type of power issue to me

cerulean monolith
#

corsair dominator 3600hrz

cloud kiln
#

Ddr4 Corsair hmm

dense merlin
#

Corsair is infamous for mixing ram dies in their kits, literally the only brand with that common of an issue

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Add disabling xmp to the list of things to try

cerulean monolith
#

cause the way my system and room is set up, my pc can't really get to any other plug without rearranging the walls

dense merlin
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Or bring monitor to another room too

cerulean monolith
#

could try, also did test every system spec before in june. we tried RAM, SSD, PSU stress, and GPU+ CPU stress, all came out clean via OCCT

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again, before in june, due to ryzen master overclock, the CPU PSU cord did come out damaged and had to be replaced with another in the box. GPU is default

dense merlin
#

Oof ryzen master

dense merlin
cerulean monolith
#

again as of now, the system is in all defaults and in a clean install, though all it seems now is probably the wall socket

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actually, would a UPS be good to serve as the hub?

formal tusk
cerulean monolith
#

hey, same problem with rando shut downs, probably a power issue with the socket

formal tusk
#

?

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Sorry I have no memory of this

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Name seems a bit familiar

cerulean monolith
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it was 2 months ago

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but uh... workin on tryin to set up in a different wall socket/off my old pc socket hub

formal tusk
#

Sata 3 often causes freakout shutdowns as the cables go bad

cerulean monolith
#

like the HDD sata data plug?

formal tusk
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Yep

cerulean monolith
#

There was nothin in sata 3. Though i will say i was lazy to remove a free sata cord from my system after i took a drive out.
Same for psu cord until recently. So both are out now.

cerulean monolith
#

unused cables pluged in shouldn't have caused problems before should it?

real lava
#

nope

cerulean monolith
#

Ima change to a different power strip tomorrow

dense merlin
real lava
#

not sure

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i forgot

formal tusk
#

Single rail

cerulean monolith
#

And i crashed again. Probably the psu then...

cloud kiln
#

idk if this would be a psu issue though because it bluescreens

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at least from what you said yesterday

cerulean monolith
#

This is a new install, every peice of testable software on CPU, GPU, RAM, STORAGE, and PSU was tested via OCCT and crystal disk/samsung magician...
Only hardware issues remaining is the motherboard, PSU, or PSU cables...
Fresh install btw

#

again, unless if there's a software to test motherboard, PSU CABLE, or the PSU, then im open to using that

cloud kiln
# cerulean monolith flash blue screen, whea incorrectable error, then instant reboot

this symptom makes me feel like it's probably not the psu; unless the voltage for some reason randomly dips and causes the system to crash? but if the psu is faulty and randomly trips on some sort of protection, normally that takes like a second or 2 minimum to un-trip, and i somewhat doubt that your system would immediately try to reboot? i personally feel like the mobo would be a more likely culprit in this scenario than the psu

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when do the crashes happen exactly?

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like, just randomly, or when you launch something?

cerulean monolith
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now, the sound cuts off/jitters while gameplay is going, after a few seconds later, it crashes into blue screen "whea uncorectable error" within a second and then reboots instantly from black. overall within 4 seconds
sometimes it does a mercy and bluescreens instantly from within load

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got the aorus b550M pro-p specifically cause gamers nexus recommended it as a well built, rounded, and touch gen 4 mid core board

cloud kiln
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hmm

cerulean monolith
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again, it's usually high game workloads that crash it, sometimes mid loads too

cloud kiln
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strange indeed

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i assume you dont have another psu that you can borrow from a different system or smth to test with?

cerulean monolith
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my whole 2020 upgrade system is cursed...

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no, nothing that can handle this power. i have a used 650W PSU that got damaged during the power failure of the house. the fact that it ran from used since 2015 till 2020 was a miracle on its own too

cloud kiln
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wait, how do you know it's damaged

cerulean monolith
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i heard it spark...

cloud kiln
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is it non functional

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oh

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hmm

cerulean monolith
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it can TECHNICALLY power on... but i'd rather not

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i would rather have this system last for 5 more years... but i feel like i may need to upgrade to gen 5 then...

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or maybe just a better gen 4 board for micro ATX

dense merlin
cerulean monolith
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yep, nothing

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i'd just wish theres someone who i can take it to around LA to check on it... but again, there's no technicians around. least any good ones that don't know less than i do

cloud kiln
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hmm

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you could get an even lower load if you have an older gpu ?

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idk if you would still have one or if you ever had one

cerulean monolith
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no other GPU, i have sold em

cloud kiln
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ah

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igpu in the cpu? or is it a.... f series or non-g series pre 7000 series ryzen cpu

cerulean monolith
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lemmie copy paste

cloud kiln
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ah no igpu then

cloud kiln
cerulean monolith
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together, it was all together

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seperatly as well

cloud kiln
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what the hell is wrong with this system lmao

cerulean monolith
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again, i've tested everything, i have no idea. that's why it's so infuriating and this $3k build is kinda worthless and i have no help in this city!

cloud kiln
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im starting to doubt that it's a psu issue more now since it was able to handle a stress test fine with both cpu and gpu at the same time

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there is some off chance that it could be some intermittent issue on the psu side, but i somewhat doubt that

cerulean monolith
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Or it could be the PSU cords, again. I've had the problem in june where the cpu cord was causing failures instantly cause it was damaged. Maybe another cord is damaged, BUT, that would've failed the power test after! Im not sure man!

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Maybe the motherboard is messed up cause of the heat in the system in june?!
I have no idea!

cloud kiln
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is the crashes happening from specifically in a game? and not the stress tests?

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this is so strange

cerulean monolith
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from games that have high loads with 4k resolution. basically any AAA game

cloud kiln
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i wonder what is different about the games vs a stress test
i mean, i know that games and stress tests are a bit of a different load, but would it be different enough to be perfectly fine in stress tests vs in a game?

cerulean monolith
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FF:XIV, jedi fallen order, FF:XV, MH WORLD, they all crash

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even HOT WHEELS! FREAKIN, WHEELS!

cloud kiln
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lmao

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i hesitate to recommend to try to buy anything to see if it fixes it because i have no confidence in any guesses of what could even be causing this
it could really be anything at this point 💀

cerulean monolith
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technicians, please come to Los Angeles, you'd make huge bank cause we have no technicians

cloud kiln
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@formal tusk lend me your brain
what could cause random crashing specifically in heavier to run games, except also doesnt crash from regular stress tests on everything simultaneously, with a fresh windows install
and the crashes are blue screens with the whea uncorrectable error, with an audio glitch prior to it, and goes from the blue screen to black screen and reboots

cerulean monolith
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Now cpu + gpu test kills it...

cloud kiln
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oh

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hmmm

cerulean monolith
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Of all times... now it does

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i think i only have one VGA cord left and i don't think usin the daisy chain is a good idea...

cloud kiln
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vga cord?

cerulean monolith
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probably power cord is damaged if im following the same as before in june

cloud kiln
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wait oh the power cable for your gpu?

cerulean monolith
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probably, again, im just following off the problem i had in june

cloud kiln
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daisy chain is technically fine; psu manus wouldnt include it if it would cause a fire 100%, but it's not as recommended

but for testing/troubleshooting, it's fine

cerulean monolith
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but stress testin ain't rec... which is what im doin with OCCT...

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Or what if its the 10pin converter of the gpu thats damaged???
There's no way to get a new cord from nvidia

cloud kiln
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hmm

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but gpu stress tests were working fine prior

cerulean monolith
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it was back in june after resolving the issue, yes

cloud kiln
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though the way your pc failed could potentially be caused by the gpu randomly losing connection or whatever?

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seems a bit more likely than the psu imo

cerulean monolith
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i have the PCIE secured in, the cords are secured, even into the PSU it is secured...

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i can buy a whole set of new PSU cords for $40... if the stress test fails on either CPU or GPU, i have to get the cords...

cloud kiln
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i have my doubts about the cords being the issue, because usually on something static on something like a pc, you either have a connection or you don't
well, unless heat makes the cables start to sag, maybe that could cause some intermittent issues, but i would say that is pretty rare

cerulean monolith
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i mean... it's a small case, it's summer, and it happened to the CPU cable... so it may not be far out of the question

cloud kiln
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hmm

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do you have a multimeter so you could test cable resistances to see if they're about equal on all strands on a cable of the same length

cerulean monolith
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no

cloud kiln
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oh well

cerulean monolith
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Cpu stress test went good btw

cerulean monolith
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It passed the solo gpu test... but fails in cpu+gpu combo...

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ima just buy the whole set of cables, i don't wanna wait on a RMA for the psu...

dense merlin
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And mobo socket

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And ye trying a new cpu power cable is a good idea

cerulean monolith
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Pins are fine, Can't really see the pin socket with the plastic shield in the way. I don't really mess up either. Always been with great care. So not sure of the cpu

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The last of the cpu cable was just used, so i either gotta RMA for new cables or buy the cable set off corsair

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Supposedly i hear corsair customer support isn't good

cloud kiln
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Would be strange if the cables are the issue though since stress tests works fine separately

indigo arch
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What's peoples thoughts on the Samsung 870 ssd these days? Is it still sen as a good drive, or is there better choices these days now?

cloud kiln
dense merlin
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Also 2tb sn770 at 110

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And 4tb ud90

indigo arch
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Goes to show how long it's been since i bought new SSDs for my PC then doesn't it 😂

dense merlin
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If you need a sata drive there are other options as well btw

indigo arch
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Oh i just rrealised, the options you've provided, they are m.2
I am interetsed in m.2 as well but I am looking for 2.5 NVME ones still

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What's peoples feelings around patriot?

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There is another brand I'm trying to think of too but can't remember right now

dusk turtle
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2.5" SATA ssd you mean?

indigo arch
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😅 Yeah i do
Sorry, i didn't sleep last night and my brain isn't running very well at the moment

dusk turtle
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Get a Teamgroup or PNY. No reason to spend more than ~$50 on a 1 TB

indigo arch
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NVME is only M.2 isn't it

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Perhaps for yourself 😛 But I'm a storage hog that likes to have large drives (I have spinning rust as well before anyone suggests that too at all)

dusk turtle
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Yes, NVME is M.2

indigo arch
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I'd like to get a few 2TB - 4TB 2.5 SSDs pretty much

dense merlin
dusk turtle
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lol

indigo arch
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Wise minds think alike

dense merlin
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In terms of 2.5 ssd 870 evo, 870 qvo, and mx500 are "top of the line"

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But top of the line doesn't mean much with 2.5 ssds anymore lol

dusk turtle
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No need to spend that money though

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They're all limited to ~600 mbps

indigo arch
dusk turtle
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If that's what you want then buy it but you're just paying an extra $150 for the name

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I've got Crucial, Samsung and Teamgroup Sata SSD's in my PC along with an 8 TB platter and they all perform the same

dense merlin
indigo arch
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Yeah no I'm not saying I want to go with Samsung. I'm just stating that the 870 evo is what I have had in the past. And 860 evo as well actually.
But I understand that new options have come along since then so trying to see what i can get that's worth the money and is between 2TB - 4TB because I'm greedy with my storage

dense merlin
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Only around 20-30 extra I think it was

dense merlin
dusk turtle
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Silicon power is ~50 pounds cheaper there

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Teamgroup and Samsung are equal

indigo arch
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Anything and everything really.
Programming files, general files, games, media like films, tv shows, music, photos
I split things up on my PC per drive to specific things. I've got one drive that is dedicated to a particular hobby
Down the line i will probably have 3D printer CAD files or whatever it is seeing as i intend to get one of those at some point

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I'm a slight horder ish if it wasn't obvious already 😂

dense merlin
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It wouldn't make a difference usability/experience wise

indigo arch
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Oh actually hold up, theyre already on a HDD that i shucked those ones. Completely forgot for a moment

dense merlin
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Ahh

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Well if you want any more hdds
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9gDJ7P/toshiba-mg07aca14te-14-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-mg07aca14te

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TzQG3C/seagate-enterprise-capacity-8-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st8000nm0075

Toshiba MG07ACA14TE 14 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (MG07AC...

Toshiba MG07ACA14TE 14 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (MG07ACA14TE)

Seagate Enterprise Capacity 8 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ...

Seagate Enterprise Capacity 8 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (ST8000NM0075)

indigo arch
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I'm good for the moment but i will keep that in mind
I learned that getting externals like the WD elements and shucking them can be quite good to do actually, so the HDD in my PC is a shucked 14TB i think

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Ok so lets circle back here
The options given to me for 2.5 SSD are what now? because alot of things were thrown around but I'm not sure if anything was exactly agreed upon between the two of you with the conversation 😂 and i got a little lost and confused 😂

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Looks like maybe the TeamGroup T-Force Vulcan perhaps? and the Crucial MX500?

formal tusk
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@blazing musk @dense merlin vp4300 lite now qlc

half gust
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This is bad right?

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After some googling it seems 2TB 870 EVOs had a bad batch?

cloud kiln
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but yeah that doesnt look good

half gust
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The rest of the numbers look proper but it feels so slow for a SSD. The other values look okay, 3 reallocated sectors and smart claims healthy though I know that's not super reliable

blazing musk
# half gust This is bad right?

ECC errors are often caused by loose or bad cables. Also make sure the firmware is up to date.
Until you get that figured out, consider all data on that drive to be corrupted. There's no real way to make sure it's not until you try to open each individual file.

half gust
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Oh okay I'll try that, I can even swap the cables. I dind't realize firmware was something you have to keep up with like drivers

It's still acting okay, it's my C drive and nothing has been broken yet. I only ckecked because startup was taking about as long as an old HDD

cloud kiln
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firmware is usually fine to not keep always up to date

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like, the bios on your mobo, you dont really ever have to upgrade the firmware for that unless you need a specific feature or some security patch

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firmware updates are usually pretty rare as well, so you technically really only need to check for updates like once a year at most lmfao

half gust
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Well Magician won't recognise it and neither will the firmware updating iso. I tried another cable and the other SATA ports on the motherboard and the ECC Error Rate still goes up by about 10,000 errors per minute so I guess I'll contact Samsung. The drive is only 16 months old and I have the box it came in

blazing musk
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Sounds like a controller malfunction to me. RMA is warranted.

half gust
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I'm just surprised that the only symptom is a slower than usual operating system. I'm partitioning my HDD now to back it up before that changes

dense merlin
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5000mbps TLC at $110

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The g70 pro graphene is 7400 iirc at $135

dense merlin
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7400mbps same controller as gm7000 and newer nand

formal tusk
dense merlin
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Just realized I said the same thing in three separate sentences

formal tusk
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I'm gonna enjoy you being better at ssd's

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Saves me learning more

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Lol

dense merlin
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Lmao i thought you knew more than me

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I only just started looking into controllers

formal tusk
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Nope, I'm still a young chicklet in this

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Lol

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It's a whole topic dive, I'll get to it some day

dense merlin
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We'll lean together

formal tusk
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Pisa together?

dense merlin
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Yes

formal tusk
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Oh learn

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💀

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Lean was also accurate LOL

dense merlin
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I put it back

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It's funnier this way

formal tusk
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Lol

half gust
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Turns out that 870 evo was a clever counterfeit so I'm in the market for a 2.5" SSD

I was planning on getting a (real this time) Samsung 870 evo but I haven't kept up with SSDs. Are they still top picks?

dense merlin
half gust
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No my motherboard is too old

dense merlin
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How much storage did you need?

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Ah 2tb

half gust
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Preferably a 2TB

I have an 8TB WD Black HDD with cache for all my games/files/programs that aren't hard drive limited

dense merlin
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I'd choose one of those

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Mx500 and 870 qvo/evo are all good choices as well, but are overpriced atm

half gust
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Impressive, that 4TB goes for the same as the 870 2TB does

And it's pretty much just as good?

dense merlin
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Yep

half gust
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I'm not familiar with Inland so I'll probably go with the T-Force

Thank you for your knowledge! I hadn't realized how much more expensive Samsung was and how well received T-Force was

pulsar solar
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guess what ssd i have

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the game

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firrst hint is its pretty nice

pulsar solar
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new hint

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it was once the best ssd

open gazelle
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1GB dollar store USB stick

formal tusk
pulsar solar
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close

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also cheater you already know

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:C

formal tusk
pulsar solar
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thats old now

formal tusk
pulsar solar
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what

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is that

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🦞🐖🏎️

formal tusk
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It's an m.2

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What's wrong

pulsar solar
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the umm

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power jack

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and low amount of storage chips

woeful solar
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Why are they're massive capacitors on it

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Is this one of those audiophile SSDs again

formal tusk
cloud kiln
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Also those caps and barrel jack if I remember correctly isn't actually even connected to anything

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It's as snake oil as it gets

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Iirc the argument is that the SSD can't play audio stably and the power from the mobo would add noise to your music

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So they put some high quality caps and an external power supply

pulsar solar
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omg

minor sun
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lmao

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it's all snake oil

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at some point they're going to make audiophile ram that has zero difference than normal ram

blazing musk
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It won't be no difference, it'll be worse. They'll take the worst binned kits and try to play it off as "it's slower because lower frequencies don't mess with the audio"

minor sun
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but with none of the error correction

cloud kiln
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didnt a while back we all laughed at some like audiophile media server that had some like audiophile psu with audiophile cpu and audiophile ram and audiophile storage

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or something crazy like that

blazing musk
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Wasn't that a LTT video

cloud kiln
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it might have been

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it's just a vague memory in my brain since it's been so long

pulsar solar
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it was 20k for something worth

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not

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20k

blazing musk
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Here's what I was thinking of https://youtu.be/JMAu_mCxoII?si=FO_MO75B2c5Y4xqq

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pulsar solar
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ok nvm it was another video

cloud kiln
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i dont even remember who i saw it from, but i just remember seeing it once

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and being absolutely baffled

turbid torrent
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My 8TB game and media drive has failed after just 9500 powered on hours

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That makes me sad

pulsar solar
turbid torrent
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My other HDD, the one that is solely for my download folder, has 37,000 powered on hours and has no reallocated sectors

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Windows gave me a notice on setup that it was "reallocating sectors on G: drive" and I went to check and it had to reallocate 96 sectors 😢

blazing musk
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Yikes. Sounds like a head fault. If that breaks it can start skipping off the platter causing bad sectors. Usually vibration would cause that.

tame geode
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i just got a new m.2 ssd and its not working. i got as far as going into disk manager and formatting it but file explorer doesnt recognize it and task manager says its only 2mb instead of 2 tb

blazing musk
analog goblet
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My hard drive is popping up as a 1tb when it's a 2tb, any ideas?

blazing musk
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Is this a new drive?

analog goblet
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It's been used and has a bunch of games on it

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But on windows it doesn't show that

blazing musk
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What version of windows

analog goblet
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Like from my old PC with games on steam

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Windows 10

blazing musk
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32 bit or 64

analog goblet
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64

blazing musk
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Ok so that's not it

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Same for you then, take a screenshot of disk management

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Since you have a green name you can put it here

analog goblet
blazing musk
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Which drive is it supposed to be

analog goblet
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The disk 0

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Didn't see it wasn't in the screenshot

blazing musk
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Only 1TB was partitioned

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Easy fix

analog goblet
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Okay, that sounds good lol

blazing musk
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Right click on the F drive and select extend volume

analog goblet
blazing musk
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It will probably detect the free space and move it to the selected column...

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yeah like that

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Hit next

analog goblet
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YOUR A GENIUS!!;

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TY!!!

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Lost all my steam games tho lmao rip

dense merlin
# analog goblet YOUR A GENIUS!!;

Ohh that's what happened to my drive too and i did not realize until fal answered that. Thank you for asking this bc I would not have ever realized lmao

analog goblet
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Lol heck yeah!

blazing musk
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Happy to help

analog goblet
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Lol oof

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I'm guessing it's a windows bug or somethin 🤷‍♂️

dense merlin
analog goblet
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Is there any way to hide system reserved drives in windows?

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I just don't wanna see them in file explorer lol

blazing musk
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They shouldn't be showing up there unless you assigned them drive letters (or it glitched and did it for you) since those contain protected OS files that should NEVER be accessed

analog goblet
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Interesting, I never assigned them any letters

blazing musk
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You can remove the drive letters from disk management as well

analog goblet
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But both the 1tb hard drive and the 2tb hard drive used to be main drives

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Just delete volume?

blazing musk
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Right click the drive, change drive letter and path, remove, ok

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If they're on old drives that you aren't booting from you can delete them

analog goblet
blazing musk
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Make double sure they're correct though because Windows sometimes doesn't put the bootloader by the C drive

analog goblet
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It's saying I don't have any storage on these drives so I guess I'm just restarting over the downloads lol

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Isn't the windows boot an efi system partition tho?

blazing musk
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Not always

analog goblet
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Oof

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I don't wanna delete the wrong thing and mess up the PC lol 😆

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Wait, technically if it shows in file explorer, I just find those drives in disk management and I should be good to delete those ones, right?