storage-devices

[quiet gust]

Silicon power 1tb nvme for 30€

I NEED IT

[torpid adder]

make ssds until the universe is nothing but ssds

[indigo condor]

Hello, when I download anything on my pc gaming wise.. my high end PC seems so slow down and lag and freeze so bad what did I do wrong? i have very fast internet 1200mbps up and 100mbps down.. PC specs on profile

like right now im trying to scan for malware and I keep pressing scan now and nothing happens.. its like i didnt press the button at all

[plush crag]

Steam uses a lot of cpu power to decompress downloads, check task manager. It's not normal for the system to feel sluggish, but you could rule out malware.

1200mbps download on steam will use about a 3900x worth of cpu and saturate the i/o on most "gaming" nvme drives

[indigo condor]

alright thank you

[unborn axle]

can I ask you guys a question about hard drives?

[torpid adder]

if it isn't a hard question to really drive the point home then it isn't a hard drive question

[unborn axle]

what

I don know what you mean by that

[blazing musk]

Just a bad pun. Ask away.

[torpid adder]

[unborn axle]

forgot to plug power

me dumb

it work

[real lava]

well i suppose that's solved

[acoustic nest]

lol

[sand tartan]

Guys without using pcie ports or other m.2 ports. Is it possible to use a Y cable and combine the two sata ports into one port and get 12Gbps speeds?

[blazing musk]

No

[real lava]

What you're thinking is raid setup

Specifically raid 0

But raid 0 is a bad idea anyway

[blazing musk]

It sounded to me like they were looking at a 12Gbps SAS drive

Which is not compatible with SATA without an adapter, and would be limited to 6Gbps with one

[real lava]

Yeah, right

[half flint]

@blazing musk that m.2 enclosure you recommended to me was a major success. All 170 gigs of msfs2020 transfered in 10 minutes!

[blazing musk]

Wow that's pretty good, glad it worked out

[formal tusk]

Weird question

Were there ever any examples of usb hubs off of sata?

I'm guessing not but I'm curious how sata varies from usb input

[blazing musk]

I know there's combo eSATA and USB ports

[blazing musk]

Yeah here it is https://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/esata-usb-hybrid-port

Doesn't look like the signals are compatible so it is still separate internally

Besides there's no way to supply 5V through the SATA data cable for the USB

[formal tusk]

That is soooo cool

Wth

[blazing musk]

It was really cool back in the Vista days. External hard drives weren't as much of a thing so being able to use a single eSATA like that for data and power was awesome.

[raven plinth]

anyone have any opinions on these three drives?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BF7FGRZ6/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0921RKRDH/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C7TR7H27/
was looking for something under 100 with a phi-18 controller but i dont really know the differences between these. any input would be helpful

also wondering if its a bad idea to put it on the back of my mobo where i probably cant fit any heatsink unless its flat... thats the only place i have a slot open. i heard heatsinks on nvme drives arent necessary unless its pcie5 tho so idk

[worn trail]

Unless it's gen 5 you really don't need a heatsink. Also even on gen 5 you still don't actually need one.

[small carbon]

Fullspeed extended writes is the general cause of throttling, & plenty if gen 4 drives don't throttle even w/ a 600GB write.

[red jay]

So I know this is pointless and a waste of money, but hear me out
If pcie devices are backwards compatible
And gen 5 nvme ssds are rated to run at 10GB/s+
Whereas gen 4 nvme theoretical max is 8GB/s, but gen 4 nvmes don't actually run faster than 7.6GB/s
Obviously they're a lot more expensive, and there is overhead so theoretical max is kind of a moot point, but do you think a gen 5 nvme in a gen 4 nvme slot would run closer to 8GB/s, like maybe 7.8?

Not planning to actually do it, since gen 4 is like, less than half the price of gen 5 cost per GB and 200 MB/s sequential is not even remotely worth the price premium, but I'm really curious about it

[real lava]

Eh honestly even gen 4 ssds are pointless unless you move big files to and from places for a living

A budget dramless gen 3 drive is very fast for anything you do, gaming included

A gen 5 ssd would certainly hit the maximum theoretical bandwidth pcie 4.0 could deliver within 4 lanes

But it's pointless to use such speeds when they come with massive amounts of heat as a result

Just a decent/high end gen 4 drive is plenty for everything, even for moving huge files

It's a fun question to ask tho

[torpid adder]

It's like using a sata3 ssd in a sata2 system

[small carbon]

"Losing" 20% of rated sequential is maybe a nonissue, and RND specs wouldn't really be effected. Still, this is why gen 5 so far for many of us is quite uninpressive since it's pretty far from 13- 14GB/s (I mean like how much gen 4 stuff is 7+ GB/s. -- prices regardless, besides heat is the main reason many of us won't bother.

[red jay]

Wouldn't it running at only like 75% of it's max speed keep it from getting as hot though?
Iirc it's the nand that has the heat problem and not the controller
(I feel the need to reiterate that obviously I'm not gonna waste the money, especially since all I really use my PC for is gaming and literally any nvme gets pretty much the same rnd4k speeds anyway. Kinda just surprised that there isn't more information on this online)

[real lava]

That helps with the heat, yeah

Easier to keep under control with just a heatsink

Which many modern boards already has anyway at least for main m.2 slot

Secondary on more expensive ones

It's just a bit silly to be doing such a thing rather than waiting on better gen 5 designs

Gen 4 drives in early days suffered similar fate

[blazing musk]

You're wrong about the nand being the issue btw. The nand packages don't have a set max temp and actually seem to increase in performance with greater heat, because physics. The controller usually has a max temp set between 70 and 85 Celsius.

At least with the common 3D nand https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Temperature-Effects-in-NAND-Flash-Memories%3A-A-2-D-Resnati-Goda/dd6c5a5804e7031913c69ec7f547ed8705b695f9

[dense merlin]

so I've been having random stutters in games, it's between most games I play so I think it is hardware related or windows related. I don't think it's windows, sfc/scannow and chkdsk come up clean, and there's no other issues like blue screening. Crystaldiskinfo shows drive at 13k hours uptime, and 97% health. SSD is pny cs900, has 275gb free.

any ideas?

[blazing musk]

How's your memory speed

[dense merlin]

it looks like it's being used between 5-30% up and down while doing nothing but running val and a few small tasks

memory is 3200c16

[blazing musk]

AMD right?

[dense merlin]

13600k

[blazing musk]

Oh yikes, yeah that one doesn't like DDR4 lol

[dense merlin]

it's only started recently though

It could be related to my temps, since that's gotten worse recently due to 13th gen contact, which i still need to fix

but it's still only at or around 70c max during gaming

it is rev E, I could likely get 4000c16 stable if not 4000c18, if you think that would help

[blazing musk]

It would certainly help

Check if your bios is up to date too, and chipset drivers while you're there

[dense merlin]

alr ty, time to lose my brain to ram tuning

bios last was updated january, so could use one

I might see how easy it is to get 3600c16 running and leave it there if it fixes it

[blazing musk]

I know that the 13600k loses up to 10% of its performance using DDR4 3600 so 3200 would be even worse

[dense merlin]

though i dont think the stutters seem like cpu/ram speed issues, im teleporting at times

while not dropping frames

sorry, just wanted to put this here as well, it's doing this while just playing val

[torpid adder]

seems like normal disk usage

though, this is me circa 5 seconds ago

I'm just idling

[blazing musk]

You might have a background process or antivirus running

[dense merlin]

ill check av, ty

[red jay]

@blazing musk
https://wccftech.com/phison-reiterates-high-temperatures-for-pcie-gen-5-nvme-ssds-up-to-120c-limit-for-controller-active-cooling-requirement/

"According to Phison, NAND typically operates up to 70-85 Degrees Celcius and with Gen 5, the SSD controller limits have been set at up to 125C but NAND temperatures can only go up to 80C after which they will go into critical shutdown."

[blazing musk]

Sheesh. I guess the controllers are only getting hotter. That's a lot more than previous gens.

This is probably referencing different nand packages than what I was looking at before too. The ones I saw were good over 100C.

[red jay]

Yeah I heard the same thing with gen 4 nvme, about the controllers running hot, and then heard the opposite for gen 5

[blazing musk]

Interesting

[real lava]

It's always the controller that gets hotter

[red jay]

Yes but apparently (at least with gen 5 nvme) the controller getting hotter isnt an issue because the controller can function up to 125° and the nand throttles at 80°

This is coming from phison, who is the one making the controllers

[real lava]

That's the thing really

As controller is allowed to run hotter, nand inevitably gets hot from excess heat and load

m.2 form factor is absolutely tiny after all

Everything is tightly packed together

[red jay]

That's the reason for heatsinks

[real lava]

Exactly

[red jay]

Don't tell me, tell phison

[plush crag]

Good writeup on usb ssd enclosure speeds https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2022/11/29/list-of-ssd-enclosure-chipsets-2022/

[ebon dome]

2TB 970 Evo Plus for $80 a good buy for gen 3?

[small carbon]

$10 less is the Team MP34, for reference.

[sour wadi]

Terrible assuming you're in the US

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2vVmP6/intel-670p-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu020tzx1

[ebon dome]

You guys are the GOATs, seriously can’t express how grateful I am for this community! Ya, it’s U.S.

[red jay]

i love retiring hard drives i bought from Newegg with new ones

[tribal jackal]

So installing a ssd do I use just the screw in this set

URGENT

[small carbon]

Yep, and just make sure no extra standoff is underneath the ssd. Some mobos do that.

[tribal jackal]

What's the other 2 things for

@small carbon

[small carbon]

Idk, extra standoffs & the washers for some reason. Mobos often just maybe have an extra screw.

[tribal jackal]

So just use the screw

And leave the washer and other thing

[tribal jackal]

Just use the screw?

[small carbon]

If ssd is going on a normal mobo, yep

[tribal jackal]

K thanks

[trail flame]

I just purchased m.2 2280 PCIe storage for the first time (MSI M461 with Maiwo enclosure) and surprisingly it's not plug and play... my computer (win 10, Asus G752) isn't recognizing the drive at all :/

it does recongnize when connected (sound plays, LED turns on) but yeah, not showing up in Disk Management. Possible hardware issue or user error?

[trail flame]

Solved (functioning at least) different cable allowed it to be detected and the drive to be initialized. The other cable (supplied by Maiwo) still won't work to access the drive after formatting.

[granite ore]

In between these two

Should i worry about gen 4 speeds? All i do is play games on my computer

[real lava]

none of the above

just get solidigm p41 plus

or intel 670p

[granite ore]

This will be my boot drive

[real lava]

yes, and my recommendation both offer better value and performance

[granite ore]

So these two

That intel 670p does look enticing for 65$

But the solidigm is gen 4? So decently fast?

[real lava]

Both are pretty fast for all cases of usage outside of moving very large files regularly

[dense merlin]

Gen 3 v 4 doesn't matter for gaming, but it depends on the price difference

[real lava]

^

[dense merlin]

If its within $5 I'd go for p41 plus

[granite ore]

Cheap price for reliable drive thats good to use as boot

[real lava]

Samsung has long lost their value proposition frankly for ssds

[granite ore]

670p is 65 solidigm is 80$ but solidigm doesnt come in till the 5th

[dense merlin]

Then 670p

[real lava]

670p it is

[granite ore]

Yep 670p comes in tomorrow

[dense merlin]

Mp44l might be worth it at $72, I'm not sure how that measures up

Basically gen 4 better mp33

[real lava]

I run mp33 as storage drive, it's very snappy

[dense merlin]

The 670p might be better in random write speeds though

[real lava]

It works as boot too but my laptop already has a gen 4 micron drive

[dense merlin]

Which would mean "better" for gaming

[granite ore]

I have a wdsn550 as my second drive wonder if i should just use it as my smaller boot drive now that i have to wipe it for windows anyway

[real lava]

sn550 is perfectly usable as boot

I had a desktop with sn530

550 is the non oem version basically

[dense merlin]

You could technichally do two of these as well, $28 each after a $10 rebate
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XzgFf7/msi-spatium-m450-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sm450n1tb

[granite ore]

I already swiped right on the 670p. Too good of a value vs anything else i saw

[dense merlin]

Fair enough

[granite ore]

Plus i will forget about the rebate lol

[dense merlin]

It's a paperless rebate

So don't have to mail anything

[granite ore]

I promise i will still forget

[brisk dome]

Ok so I got a new SSD and the old one is (at least temporarily) going into an external drive thing

Problem is the chip is a lil too tall

I can push it down and it fits but the edges of it will be in contact with the aluminum housing

Would that be an issue?

The other option is to install this clip differently which leaves the SSD bent backwards a bit

[torpid adder]

I'd want a different drive enclosure tbh

[brisk dome]

Guess I could also just use it without the aluminum piece or make my own cover

[torpid adder]

Oof

[small carbon]

The case will act like a slight heatsink if it's touching tbh. I wouldn't worry. Wish there was some adapter that almost literally just clips to the ssd connector, lol.

[minor sun]

Free heatsink sounds like a win to me

The packaging shouldn't be conductive

[small carbon]

Yea definitely nothing higher than the controller or mem chips so should be good.

[brisk dome]

Yeah that chip is the only thing high enough to touch the aluminum

[sacred fossil]

so I just finished building my PC and installed windows yesterday, using my home network with an Ethernet cable. next day I move to my apartment with no Ethernet, only my mobo wifi, and turn on PC to find the SSD is empty. I did an SSD secure erase before because I was having trouble with windows and wanted a clean start, but windows worked fine after that when I installed it the final time. SSD shows up in bios, but windows doesn't, and when I plug in windows installation media, it acts as if the SSD is completely empty and can't find any Windows files to repair or anything... could I have maybe broken something during my build? just tryna figure out what happened and how to prevent it from happening in the future when I actually have files I need on this computer

[formal tusk]

So like, you installed to the ssd, and the files disappeared?

[sacred fossil]

so, I built the PC, then installed windows like 3 times bc I was having trouble with windows itself, not the hardware, then I secure erased the SSD from my bios to get rid of all the Windows files. then I installed windows again, and it worked fine. so I power off my PC for the night and move it to my new place, then boot up the next night, and it's now seemingly empty and won't boot to windows

[formal tusk]

Fascinating

[sacred fossil]

could the erase have done something to it maybe?

[formal tusk]

The erase is just a higher level of formatting

[bitter tree]

Maybe your bios is wiping it every time it boots?

[formal tusk]

It's normal

Nah

Is the ssd any smaller in size?

When you go to install windows, it should show up slightly smaller

[sacred fossil]

couldn't be because I was able to restart and install windows updates and stuff, even with the final install that's now wiped. so I restarted it before and it was fine

I'll check size, bios says it's the same tho

[formal tusk]

I suspect something like the boot manager partition is deleted

And it's actually still there

I've been through this before with my old laptop

[sacred fossil]

what's the boot manager partition, and is there a way to recover it (?)

[formal tusk]

So, when windows is installed, it creates like, 3 or 4 "partitions"

Allocated parts of your ssd to draw from in order to run windows

Those are locked and can't be changed

It's basically like, the backbone of windows

[sacred fossil]

ohh ok, so maybe the one that is set aside for booting is gone somehow?

[formal tusk]

Possible ye

That's why I thought if you check with the windows installer how much space the ssd has, it will probably show up with some used space

Like

Instead of 480gb

It now says, say, 462gb

I can see this happening if you were having install troubles and just trying again and again, it's easy to find yourself making multiple versions in the one ssd

I've done it plenty of times

[sacred fossil]

are any of these supposed to work? they all say there's no windows files detected

[formal tusk]

Startup repair

[sacred fossil]

just "Couldn't repair your PC"

[formal tusk]

Are there any important files on the ssd right this moment

[sacred fossil]

none so I can reinstall windows, but I'd like to figure out why it happened so it doesn't happen again

[formal tusk]

Alr so I could give you a long list of things to do which I believe would fix it, but between explaining and doing I feel this would take about as long as just starting from scratch

[sacred fossil]

hmm okay. would doing those thing potentially let me find out if there's a permanent problem with the drive? if so I'd prefer doing it even if it takes longer, in case the drive is bad or smth

[formal tusk]

There's a lot to unpack to make right of wrong and that's under the guess of it still being on the ssd

[formal tusk]

Which ssd is it

[sacred fossil]

silicon power xs70 2tb

[formal tusk]

Ok the odds of it being a fault are really low then

[sacred fossil]

was recommended from someone here

[formal tusk]

Ye I believe it

I would do another secure erase, try install again right then and there

[sacred fossil]

okay, I DID pry off the heatsink from the top of it? it was stuck and I had to heat it up a bit and use a pick to get it off so I could've damaged it maybe?

[formal tusk]

Turn off the pc, take it out and show me top and bottom

[sacred fossil]

okay give me like 10 minutes or so it's hard to get it out

[formal tusk]

All good

Just be warned, this may affect your warranty status of the drive (I'm not a newegg/sp rep but one might interpret that as user damage)

But if it's fine then I wouldn't even freak out

Easy to reattach those things

[sacred fossil]

oh I removed it to use my mobo heatsink instead of the one it came with

[formal tusk]

Yeah I can see how that happened

[sacred fossil]

okay hold on cuz it's kinda complicated:
so the SSD has a bottom metal casing and the top stock heatsink

[formal tusk]

Ye

I have an sn850 that matches this description

[sacred fossil]

and I removed the stock heatsink to use my mobo one instead by heating it up and prying it off with plastic pick

[formal tusk]

Ye

You had to heat up the top side ye?

[sacred fossil]

but not the bottom metal part that has the warranty void sticker removed, so I can argue and say I didn't remove it so warranty is fine lol, also bc it was stuck harder and didn't wanna damage it

yeah with a blow dryer

[formal tusk]

Right ok

Send me a pic when it's out I'll have a look

Close ups, details appreciated

[sacred fossil]

so this is it without heatsink and

[formal tusk]

Can you show a top down view?

Does it have any curve in the ssd at all?

[sacred fossil]

heatsink is barely too wide so I have to pry the sides a bit to push it down when installed.
yeah I'll get better pics now

[formal tusk]

Guessing this is an asrock mobo

[sacred fossil]

yep lol

[formal tusk]

All I can really see and that looks like manufacturer qc

Ok two more questions

1. Is the ssd, flat? Like, was it flat after the heatsink was removed?
2. How hot did you heat up the ssd

Like, burn fingers hot? Or just really warm

[sacred fossil]

it was hot, not injury inducing hot but hot enough I didn't want to hold it too long. more than warm, heated for maybe 30 seconds up close, but it was cooled down in less than 2 mins
and it looks perfectly flat to me

[formal tusk]

Ok so it doesn't sound like it could be physically damaged unless the bga under the nand or controller was damaged

i.e prying

Which in any capacity of strength is possible really

So I'd say for now, pop it back in, secure erase, install windows one more time

If it happens again, secure erase, take it out, I'd wager a fault is possible at that point

[sacred fossil]

I tried it up like this, on this chip, pushing pressure down. it was warm enough to where it came off pretty easy with not too much pressure.

[formal tusk]

Alr

I mean bga damage isn't easy to do anyway

[sacred fossil]

okay, so you don't think it's physical damage then? I'll try and boot it up, see if it lasts the day or week

[formal tusk]

I would say it's unlikely

Like, I can't see inside the chips or under them

But pcb really doesn't look abused

So I think ATM it's likely fine

Yea give it another go and just wait and see

We're here if you still have further issues

[sacred fossil]

alright, tyy

[formal tusk]

Np

[sacred fossil]

yeah hm, same space as when I first installed. it's just gone lol. hope it doesn't happen again

[clear matrix]

Is the WD-Black SSD the 2TB better than my p41 plus?

[formal tusk]

yeah if you paid like, $10 to change it

not if you buy a new one

[sour wadi]

And only if it's sn850x

[sacred fossil]

any recommendations for good external ssds? 500gb-1tb works. I wanna use it to either run a Linux VM and take it between my desktop and laptop, or just to share all my files between the two, or both. or if there's a better way to do that (offline) lmk too :)

[torpid adder]

Get a good internal SSD and put it in a USB enclosure

[dense merlin]

M450 is an nvme ssd that's $28 after a $10 rebate, and MSI has paperless rebates

And then I'd buy an nvme enclosure

If not wanting to deal with a rebate, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3s92FT/solidigm-p41-plus-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu010tzx1

[sacred fossil]

oh true okay thanks, does just any enclosure work or are some better than others for that too?

[dense merlin]

I know f all about enclosures lol, I'm sorry

I'd wait for someone else's input for that

[sacred fossil]

all good haha, ty for recommendation tho :)

[small carbon]

I do suggest ssd w/ dram for enclosure use generally, can't use hbm. --hmb*

[sour wadi]

Good point also it's hmb*

[torpid adder]

Does using hmb functionally shrink your pool of system memory

[small carbon]

Under 50MB probably.

[torpid adder]

That seems like a tiny amount considering the common dram numbers

[sour wadi]

It's tiny amount yeah like 50mb ish

[ebon dome]

I lost the M.2 screws that came with my motherboard, anyway I can install it without them or should I just order some?

[small carbon]

I'd order some, don't like the ssd hanging out at an angle.

[ebon dome]

Well there is a heatsink cover built into the motherboard that would probably hold it in place

[small carbon]

if so then probably don't have to worry about the screw on the ssd itself.

[torpid adder]

would be good to know where it is exactly

not too much of an issue if it's not lost within the computer at least

[ebon dome]

There wasn't an M.2 drive in when I build it and the screws never left the motherboard box which I have since lost

[torpid adder]

yeah 👍

[sour wadi]

You should just be able to buy an m.2 screw online

[remote crystal]

duct tape works

[torpid adder]

just stick it down with gum

[kind salmon]

super glue it

[kind salmon]

i had something like this happen to me as well, i think it was the mobo heatsink shorting the ssd and/or a bad M.2 slot on the mobo

[worn trail]

Honestly you don't even need to screw the SSDs down.

I went two years with my ssds dangling.

[torpid adder]

I mean I just saw in a RGIHD video that the random B450 board he was using in a build used a fixture mechanism that reminds me of the inflating mouthpiece you find on a beach ball/inflatable pool

[sacred fossil]

(sorry for the huge text wall in advance) Hey so I've got some questions about SIlicon Power, specifically their SSDs, and more specifically the one I got and was recommended here, the xs70. From the bit of research I've done, the company has mixed reviews on reddit, but in this server I haven't seen anything bad about them. For my drive, xs70, apparently they used to come with the Phison E18 controller and Micron NAND, but then they switched it up to use the Innogrit IG5236 controller, with YMTC NAND. According to some reddit threads I've found, this controller with this NAND can cause some issues with drive failures and stuff happening, with people saying that the failure rate is pretty high for Silicon Power SSDs. It's not everyone on reddit, just some people, but in this server I haven't seen anything bad about them so that's why I'm kinda wondering who I should trust regarding this issue. Also, since I already had that issue with my drive being wiped, I'm wondering if it could've been because of this, the Rainier controller and YMTC NAND combo? I checked and confirmed that's the controller mine has, and that it's not the old Phison controller. (note I don't actually know anything about controllers, NAND, other stuff, only about the issues or lack of issues caused by them that I've read on reddit, which is why I'm asking for more opinions here, so I can decide if I want to keep this drive, or just get an sn850x)

Here's some of the threads I'm referencing. Note that these are only threads with bad reviews of the company/drive, talking about the reliability or failure rates of it. Many other threads didn't note any issues, so they could be isolated incidents, but it seems like it's a higher failure rate than other drives regardless.

...changed the controller on this to the Innogrit IG5236...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/14c1w8v/comment/jokougv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
...more of an issue of the IG controller paired with Micron 176L NAND dying prematurely in several other brands using the exact same combo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/14c1w8v/comment/jomszxo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

...their SSDs are garbage. I work in IT so we have gone through lots of SSDs and have used various brands. Silicon Power has the highest failure rate of any brand we've used...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z3lziq/comment/j2y75zz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
... I bought an SSD recently from them and it wouldn't always be detected at boot...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z3lziq/comment/jrvmgif/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

...I installed some games on it and run battlfield 1 and it just disappeared from disk manager, files explorer and bios...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z3lziq/comment/jqvz13s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
I have an XS70 what are the issues with it?
Seems like the controller likes to die, that's what happened to mine and I see people say "isn't that the one with the bad controller
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z3lziq/comment/jxppi1r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

...2 out of 5 failure rate according to some of these comments, within the first year...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/z3lziq/comment/jx7d3oh/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

So... anyone have any input on this? Are these threads just completely isolated incidents, and the company and drive is actually pretty good? Or should I just get the WD drive instead, just in case? I'm going to have important info on my drive (it will be backed up, but still), and I don't want to deal with losing it. Seeing as how I've already had issues with the drive, that's why I'm concerned and considering switching.

TL;DR:
Some reddit threads say Silicon Power has some issues with their drives, and that they can be unreliable, but I haven't seen anything bad about them in this discord. My drive has that Innogrit IG5236 Rainier controller, which some say has some failure issues. Are these widespread issues, or can I safely trust this drive (xs70 2tb) with my data? (or is reddit just untrustworthy when it comes to this stuff??)

[minor sun]

Supposedly there's a wave of IG5236+YMTC 128l drives shipped with firmware issues, with some mentions of a possible firmware fix (?)
You might get a xs70 with e18 + B47r or ig5236 + YMTC nand, I'm not sure on probabilities, but you could just look at it when you receive it and see which hardware revision you get. If you're looking for problems, you'll definitely find some people with some problems on reddit, people post about random problems they may or may not have caused, and blame it on what other people are talking about. I just haven't heard of any problems with people with xs70s here.

as a side note, afaik the ig5236+ymtc combo is only possible on the 2tb xs70, not on 1tb or 4tb models

or at least only been spotted in 2tb xs70s so far

[sacred fossil]

yeah, i have the ig5236 according to hwinfo64, not sure about the nand tho. i've got the 2tb model so that's why im a little apprehensive about keeping this drive

[minor sun]

Can always just take off the heatsink and look at the physical chips to be sure if you'd like

the e18+b47r varient looks like this

ig5236+ymtc nand looks like this

[sacred fossil]

yeah this one's mine

but should I be worried? is the supposed failure rate high enough that I should just return it and get the sn850x instead?

[minor sun]

Failure rates should be relatively low, but it is something to keep an eye out for

[formal tusk]

@sacred fossil i will note and remember this all for later, but did your windows work out after all the steps we did the other day?

I'm hoping yes but *with all this extra research I'm guessing no

[fresh bough]

Frick, I tried to open chrome, it crashed the pc, and the drive I’ve got all my boot stuff and windows on is no longer being detected

Any suggestions to try?

[fresh bough]

Red light blinking in time with my storage indicator light on the front of my case, so it should be working?

Still not being detected though

After 10 minutes of just idling on bios settings, this stick is ridiculously hot, under my normal use it’s also been sitting near my gpu which has been heating up my case a little bit. I need to look into better airflow I think actually I’m about to buy by new case but even without anything the drive is hot for not being under any real load

Might have shorted?

Or something

[sacred fossil]

it's been working so far, but not heavy use yet cuz I've been worried, maybe 10 hours of uptime

I installed a 45gb game yesterday and it ran fine, haven't booted it today yet but it seems fine so far. I'm only worried it just gets randomly wiped again for no reason

[formal tusk]

alr

we keep going tho

[sacred fossil]

yeah, lots of backups this time

[formal tusk]

you can check ssd health by installing crystaldiskinfo

it might tell you something

if it comes up 95%+ and good then it should be fine

[sacred fossil]

21 or so unsafe shutdowns according to hwinfo, , I'll install crystaldiskinfo when I get home tonight and check.
although "unsafe" apparently can just mean forced shutdown? idk, maybe one of those happened at the wrong time and wiped it.

[formal tusk]

unsafe shutdowns never really been my focus tbh

[sacred fossil]

ok yeah just figured I might mention it

[formal tusk]

I've had failing ssd's before but crystaldiskinfo will report those things

it reads from

S.M.A.R.T (yes this is the real name)

which is just a log of events reported by the ssd

things like terabytes written, bad sectors

write corruption?

[sacred fossil]

oh okay good, yeah I'll check it out tonight then, thanks

[formal tusk]

power on hours

yeah it's very useful

it might give you some insight as to whether it was the ssd on the fritz or just a stream of bad luck windows installs

both very possible

[sacred fossil]

haha I'm hoping the latter

[reef flume]

what do yall think?

[dense merlin]

not a good deal

if thats usd

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2BvD4D/silicon-power-ud90-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp04kgbp44ud9005

or xs70 for $200

[reef flume]

it is usd

[minor sun]

From what I've read, the ig5236+ymtc issue is that the firmware has a problem where it just tries to hammer itself with reads over and over again, so if it had the problem, it would just be really accelerated wear causing damage, which you should be able to see ahead of it failing on you with signs of blocks dying and errors on cdi or anything that reads SMART data

[sacred fossil]

oh that's really good to know, thank you! I'll keep an eye out

[sour wadi]

ive seen the p3 plus 4tb go for less new lol

[zinc path]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/t7BTwP,XD848d,q9GhP6
Should I consider going with ironwolf instead since all ill be using it for is data backup anyways?

[zinc path]

This first one vs This second one, which should I go with?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=3800000000000,4500000000000&c1=di_m2.pcie_40_x4,di_m2.pcie_50_x4&X=0,22500&sort=-price&page=1
Which of these should I go with?

3 seperate questions for 3 seperate drives

[dense merlin]

Xs70 or ud90 for 4tb

P44 pro is better than the 980 pro and sn850x

Only non gen 5 ssd that beats it I think is 990 pro, and that's by a small margin

Though 980 pro being $10 cheaper

[zinc path]

Oh damn I have no idea what these stats mean then https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/DDWBD3,FsqPxr,vrTp99/
guess ill prob go P44

[dense merlin]

990 pro is def not worth it

[zinc path]

Anyone have thoughts on this though?

[sour wadi]

There's generally not a big difference in hard drives apart from the cache and rpms so I'd just go with the enterprise

Should be better for reliability too

[dense merlin]

^

5400rpm lasts longer than 7200, though obviously slower speeds

[zinc path]

Gotcha thanks

Damn good thing I remembered I was in this discord or else I wouldve ended up using buildapc exclusively for help and gotten a Corsair MP600 CORE XT 4 TB instead of the Silicon Power XS70 4 TB

[dense merlin]

Xs70 is def the better ssd

Mp600 core xt is decent, just not as good as the xs70

Rn for 4tb ud90 and xs70 are the two logical choices

[zinc path]

yeah am going with xs70

[quiet gust]

cloned the first hdd, need to clone the other one on the 2nd partition of the destination disk, but how?

[torpid adder]

I'm guessing by selecting the second partition

[quiet gust]

nope

[blazing musk]

You can use easus partition master for that, there's a free version that lets you copy partitions. Or boot Linux and use GParted.

Macrium is nice for cloning but limited in general

[quiet gust]

nvm it's mainly steam games so i probably wont need to clone them

i can just reinstall them later

[blazing musk]

Oh that's easy, create a partition and copy/paste the data

Then tell steam about the new library location

[quiet gust]

oooh ok. I wasnt sure if that was possible because i know certain apps dont allow you to copy files from a place to another

[blazing musk]

Steam is an exception. If it needs to reinstall something, it'll do it automatically when you go to launch it.

[quiet gust]

ok, thanks. how can i tell steam the location of the lib after i'll reinstallint on the new windows?

[blazing musk]

People use that feature to create a portable library all the time so they can carry their games around without their pc

It's in settings

[quiet gust]

good, thanks a lot

[blazing musk]

The setting moves around a bit but right now it's easy to find under storage, just hit the "+" to add a new location

[quiet gust]

do you know if these games/programs can be just copied and then work fine after? -AutoCAD (2024) -CoD WarZone -Enlisted

[blazing musk]

Yeah, it'll handle that automatically

[quiet gust]

oh wait i said something stupid... its not steam its epic games stuff

will that work too?

[blazing musk]

I think so?

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/how-to-move-an-installed-game-from-the-epic-games-launcher-to-another-directory-on-your-computer-a5720215231515

[quiet gust]

ok, good. i could reinstall those too if it was necessary

[proven thistle]

Is that SSD recommended? https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/1TB-Crucial-MX500-2-5Zoll--6-4cm--SATA-6Gb-s-3D-NAND-TLC--CT1000MX500SS_1219929.html

[torpid adder]

it's good

do you have m.2 slots

if the cpu is a 2700k ig not

[small carbon]

Can run m.2 in a pcie slot adapter, but generally not boot to it (easily)

[proven thistle]

The PC i planned the SSD's for is a PC with a Intel Pentium CPU

As a NAS for Windows Backups

[small carbon]

Yes it's 1 of the best ssds. Most similar is 870 evo which is often overpriced. I have 3 of them btw. 2x250 & a 1TB.

[torpid adder]

it's at a decent price too, 48 bucks

[proven thistle]

If I use 4 in the recommended raid setup, would it be bottleneckedd by the cpu?

[torpid adder]

I have 3x 250 and 1x 500 WD Blues

[small carbon]

My 3550 for example was just a bottleneck for installing a steam game, but didn't effect various CDM tests. If getting 4, also check price of 2x2TB.

[proven thistle]

Ok 🤔

Well I need of I use 4 drives that: https://amzn.eu/d/4woJFAS

[small carbon]

Ugh, don't use molex to sata adapters.

[proven thistle]

But if i take just 2x2TB Drives i don't need one.

[proven thistle]

May i ask why?

[small carbon]

Molex is finicky. There's an old comment: "molex to sata, lose your data"

[proven thistle]

oh, if it is a Good one, it shouldn't actually haappen ig 🤔

And if i take the 2x2TB i need about 197€ Round up

[small carbon]

Hmm 2x2 is similar price to 4x1 it seems. Yea, Dependent on those 4 big pins being well connected & never getting bumped or such is all.

[proven thistle]

The PC is supposed to just stand there and some times Turn on for making a Backup

Because if i use my External Drive, it takes Half a day to Backup

like, Seriously

[acoustic nest]

Fire hazard

A lot of these adapters are cheaply made

[proven thistle]

What SSD uses that much power to be a concern?

[proven thistle]

Like seriously, a SSD doesn't take that much power.

[blazing musk]

It's not the amount of power, it's the ground being short to power

Those things melt all the time

A lot of amateur GPU miners made that mistake and burned down their rigs

[proven thistle]

Because maybe that it is being used for something it wasn't designed for?

[blazing musk]

Power is power, the issue is the cheap plastics and metals

[proven thistle]

Molex was for Storage, not for GPU's...

[blazing musk]

Molex was not originally for storage

[proven thistle]

Okay, it was for Optical drives, right? (because there it is too)

[blazing musk]

It was made in the 50s, optical was still a dream then

It was originally used in home appliances

[proven thistle]

Anyways, it doesn't change that Cheap ones aren't up to snuff for safety and that it is not For GPU's.

[small carbon]

Fal did say that. Actual point was that molex isn't great for much besides fans, although that sort of wastes 2 wires.

[keen wave]

Is the 970 evo plus the best gen3 ssd

I have a 670p rn and it struggles

[dense merlin]

What are you using the ssd for?

[formal tusk]

How full is the 670p

[keen wave]

OS and running VMs copying files

[dense merlin]

Is it almost full?

[keen wave]

Empty

[dense merlin]

Ah

You'd want a gen 4 ssd then

Unless your mobo is pcie gen 3?

[keen wave]

Can't it's a laptop ryzen 5th Gen

[dense merlin]

Hm

In a laptop you'd want a p31

And that's same level as 970 Evo plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xNCFf7/sk-hynix-gold-p31-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-shgp31-1000gm-2

It's expensive for a 1tb ssd with current pricing

It's also the lowest wattage ssd anywhere near its tier, so it's great for laptops

[keen wave]

970 Evo plus was 30% off

[dense merlin]

How much is it?

[keen wave]

60cad 1tb

[dense merlin]

Ah one sec

Yeah thats prolly your best bet then

[keen wave]

But will it make a big difference

[dense merlin]

I'm not really sure, it will definitely sustain higher speeds in what you're doing but I dont know if gen 3 is just simply not enough for what you're doing

I doubt it but it's possible? Maybe?

Felix could prolly weight in on that better than I could

[keen wave]

I mean it's copying files at barely 100mbs

[dense merlin]

That sounds like it could be thermal throttling?

Try downloading crystaldiskinfo and view drive health on that

Just download and launch it and it's on the first screen that pops up

[keen wave]

Laptop is brand new so

[dense merlin]

Then I think hwinfo64 can view ssd temps?

[dense merlin]

I'd still check just in case

[keen wave]

It's extracting diskinfo at 1mbs

[formal tusk]

The 3 most useful ones are covered by the windows popup there

Lol

[proven thistle]

That is true to be honest. 😐

Should we go against the old Drive connector? (That one that was before SATA Power)

[reef flume]

I’m about to buy 3x 32gb micro sd cards

[torpid adder]

Me neither

[dense merlin]

Lol 990 pro w/o heatsink 4tb is almost $350

$150 more than xs70

[small carbon]

Also $50+ more than sm850x. Sammy late to the 4TB gang & as usual priced their stuff like it's coated in Silver.

[proven thistle]

ok, don't wonder when they get full too fast.

Is Sata 2 Enough for making Backups?

[dense merlin]

Sure but depends on price

[proven thistle]

Ok, i would do the Apropiate RAID config.

[blazing musk]

SATA 2 is still faster than your network connection most likely, even without raid.

[nocturne valve]

Hi!
My main SSD ( WD_Black SN850X 2TB) is less than 50% free... What a good complimentary SSD? i already have an HDD for static file and video, but games thoses days always recommand an SSD... and their size is inflating!!!!

thanks

[kind salmon]

Solidigm p41 plus is good

[dense merlin]

Depends on your country and budget

You can get a 4tb ssd for $160 now, and 2tb for $65

[nocturne valve]

Canada

[dense merlin]

Ah, this was usd but they're still pretty cheap compared to what they used to be

[nocturne valve]

i don't need a Formula one 🏎️ SSD neither a snail 🐌 😂 Something in between

[dense merlin]

Alr, and what are you looking to spend?

And how much storage do you need?

[nocturne valve]

well... I fill 1 to in 6 months...

[formal tusk]

What motherboard do you have and how many storage devices

[dense merlin]

Sorry felix I gotta run, apt for college

[formal tusk]

Alr

[nocturne valve]

I got one M2 SSD and one 4 TO HDD

[formal tusk]

I gotchu

Which motherboard?

[nocturne valve]

Gigabyte Z790 UD AC

[formal tusk]

Oh ok

How much storage do you think you want in this second ssd?

I'd keep the hard drive, it is useful always

[nocturne valve]

one is not enough. 2 Iguesss, 4 if not expensive!

[formal tusk]

Ok lets have a look

One or two of these @nocturne valve
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

It's the best cheapest way to do it

Good drive, not a formula one

[dense merlin]

Seconded, cheapest decent 4tb is mp34 for $230 (I was wrong I didn't have to go yet)

[nocturne valve]

did I need an heatsink???

[formal tusk]

Nah ur good

These are pretty low power

[nocturne valve]

ok thanks!

[formal tusk]

If you find you need it tho

Get this
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-m-2-nvme-heatsink-black

(not from this website, try amazon or something. Will be cheap)

Good luck

[dense merlin]

Ye heatsinks are only needed on speedy drives like p41, sn850x, etc and even then it's unlikely to be throttling

I cant think of a single gen 3 ssd that would benefit from a heatsink

[formal tusk]

Evo plus

Sn 750 probs

[dense merlin]

Really? Thought just the sticker worked as a heat spreader fine enough

[formal tusk]

If it's the evo plus that uses the 980 pro controller I would wager yes

You know what I'm probably wrong

Nvm

I assumed and failed

💀

[dense merlin]

Wowwww techie giving out false info, smh

[formal tusk]

Hey, I'd put a sink on a 980 pro, so I'd put a sink on a 970 evo plus with 980 pro parts

[dense merlin]

Tbf I don't really know much about ssds beyond what's needed to suggest for use cases, so I'd trust your word over mine 9 times outta 10 on stuff like that

[dense merlin]

Dude how did you fit a sink in your pc

Does it work?

[formal tusk]

Yeah

[dense merlin]

W

[formal tusk]

Yours doesn't?

[formal tusk]

I still have a long way to go

[dense merlin]

No but I did put a sprinker system in it

[formal tusk]

Oh damn

Automated

You don't need to do anything just set the timer

[dense merlin]

Yeah its voice activated so if I scream at a game it forcibly shuts my pc down

[formal tusk]

Fire alarm

[acoustic nest]

hmm

Are all gen 4 SSDs toasty?

[dense merlin]

Not all

Most good ones

[acoustic nest]

ah

I'm mostly worried about a really good gen 4 ssd overheating in my laptop

[formal tusk]

Tom's hardware posts thermal tests of ssds

Worth checking that as well if you need it

Or if you have the space, the ek nvme heatsink is dirt cheap and can fit in some laptops

I have one in my tuf

Snug fit

[acoustic nest]

hmm

It might fit in my strix

[formal tusk]

Food for thought anyway

[acoustic nest]

yeh that's going in the word doc

slowly building up my summer holiday shopping list

[formal tusk]

Poggies

[small carbon]

laptop ssd = Plat p41 perhaps.

[formal tusk]

Yeah p41 is low power

Hynix stonks

[acoustic nest]

hmm

that's probably gonna be the boot drive replacement

thinking of a gen 4 primary and a gen 3 secondary

[formal tusk]

Sounds good to me

Use macrium to clone it all over

Takes maybe an hour

[acoustic nest]

I'll probably use dd

hopefully it'll scale it correctly

if not i'll have to use macrium

but yeah I'll probably have to get an enclosure

and if I'm cloning the boot drive I'll have to boot off a linux live install

[proven thistle]

Update: i have a Adapter for Molex to Sata

[small carbon]

"molex to sata, lose your data"

[sour wadi]

Molex is rated for more power than satat my dude

[small carbon]

not the point muh ddude, lol

[sour wadi]

What is your point lol

[small carbon]

Not power capacity.

[blazing musk]

Most of them are pretty poor quality and have a tendency to melt due to poor connection, much like the 12VHPWR connector

[torpid adder]

Why even have an adapter anyway

PSUs have more sata power than your motherboard has SATA ports

[acoustic nest]

Am I having deja vu or did we have this exact debate before

[formal tusk]

DEJA VU

WE JUST HAD THIS DEBATE BEFORE

HIGHER ON THE STREETS

AND I KNOW IT'S MY TIME TO GOOOOO

[real lava]

accurate

[sour wadi]

Thought that was sata to molex?

My b

[small carbon]

minus techie pts, haha. Will be good when we wouldn't need that sata to molex adapter.

[formal tusk]

Combine them with the legendary sata to pcie

And you will achieve the highest quality bonfires technology has to offer

🔥

[cold leaf]

Yo I just had an ssd stop working randomly (this one https://a.co/d/f511iUk) and I want to see if I can get it working again. I was just using it normally and then my PC stopped detecting an ssd, I felt it and it was hot. Wondering if this is normal or if I can get it working again.

[brisk dome]

Not normal

I mean they'll get warm during use but shouldn't shut off

Let it cool down, maybe take it out/put it back in again, see if it shows up

[old rock]

Is there a software that works like Samsung magician but works with non-Samsung stuff and is free? If not I’m likely just going to upgrade from Samsung to Samsung (currently used a 1 TB sata and just need more space with two open m2 slots)

[blazing musk]

That depends on what features you're looking for. Most of what it does is SMART monitoring, which crystal disk info does nicely.

[old rock]

Mostly just the cloning part, but I decided to just grab a samsung drive since they're on a good sale rn

Is there one I should have in my back pocket?

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect does cloning pretty well

[worn trail]

Does the Adobe Suite, or more specifically Premier and AE benefit from 5.0 nvmes?

[blazing musk]

That depends on how large your projects are, and even the large ones it would mostly affect load times and not latency

[formal tusk]

If you do works in the scale of 16K, 8K projects, sure

Otherwise there's nearly zero benefit whatsoever

[worn trail]

My projects range from 10-30gb on average with the biggest being around 80-100.

[formal tusk]

or rather, benefit in the magnitude of price spent

[formal tusk]

16K or 8K resoultion my guy

[worn trail]

No, not doing 8k or beyond.

[formal tusk]

then no

no worth in it

[worn trail]

Currently working with FHD and looking into doing 4K in the near future.

[blazing musk]

100gb is nothing tbh, that loads in seconds on a half decent 4.0 drive

[worn trail]

Gotcha. Wanted to ask because I need to get more storage and was debating going 4.0 or 5.0.

[formal tusk]

all 5.0 drives rn are hotboxes

avoid avoid avoid unless absolutely essential

[blazing musk]

Yeah they've been really prone to overheating even with heatsinks or motherboard plates

[worn trail]

What 4tb drives do you guys recommend? I was thinking of going with the SN850X 4TB.

[formal tusk]

xs70

or better still

a55

[worn trail]

Getting tired or deleting files non stop.

How do those compare to the 850x?

[formal tusk]

xs70 as good

a55 way cheaper

[worn trail]

Gotcha.

[blazing musk]

$200 rn and S tier https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gLXJ7P/silicon-power-xs70-4-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp04kgbp44xs7005

[formal tusk]

So when are you building this pc

[worn trail]

Is it xs70

Or s70?

[blazing musk]

s70 is also S tier

[worn trail]

NVM found it.

Xs70 is way cheaper

Is the xs70 faster then the s70?

[blazing musk]

Roughly the same performance

Both are over 7GBps

[worn trail]

Gotcha.

Can the heatsink be taken off?

[blazing musk]

There's screws so I'd hope so

[worn trail]

Oh just wanted to make sure.

Thanks for helping out.

Think I am gonna pick up two of those in the near future.

[harsh sage]

For some reason my truenas install always gets stuck at starting zfs. Haven't been able to figure it out.
It installs to my nvme drive just fine but gets stuck there when booting. All my drives are good. cant find any relevant info on the internet

[sinful salmon]

Does anyone know what the difference is between the CT2000P5PSSD8T and the CT2000P5PSSD8?
Both are 2tb Crucial P5 Plus SSDs, the only difference is in the model number and I can't find out what it actually is

[real lava]

probably revisions

[sinful salmon]

I see

[blazing musk]

Looks like a kernel bug causes that, revert to older version like 12U7

[red jay]

looking for help getting a new drive my my mac mini late 2014

[blazing musk]

From what I can tell that uses a standard SATA 2.5" drive. I'd recommend this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h3tQzy/crucial-mx500-1tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct1000mx500ssd1

[dense merlin]

For 2tb a55 is $70

For 512gb prob tforce Vulcan z

[blazing musk]

I know vulcan z has worse randoms, regular vulcan is good.
Not sure about A55 so I didn't recommend it.

They would technically work ofc, and would be noticeably better than the HDD it came with.

[dense merlin]

From what felix has said a55 is very nice

[formal tusk]

A55 is an A60 in a 2.5 shell

they're fine

or at least I remember it that way

[blazing musk]

If that's the case then yeah, it would be a few bucks cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nXF48d/silicon-power-a55-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-sp001tbss3a55s25

[formal tusk]

sm2258xt/ micron tlc

64 layer

ok sorry a60 is slightly better

vs

2263xt/96L TLC

[dense merlin]

Wow felix lying to us

Smh remove techie

[blazing musk]

Still, SM2258 is good for SATA

[formal tusk]

it's fine still lol

I think 2258 is in a variation of team iirc

[dense merlin]

Yeah seems like the best option for sata rn

[blazing musk]

Detechie'd for misinformation smh

[formal tusk]

it's in the Crucial BX500

so yeah basically dramless MX500

yeah same specs on BX500

it's fine

[blazing musk]

Ooh dramless on a mac though

[formal tusk]

about all it deserves if you ask me

💀

jk

ooo interesting

team mp33 pro is SP A60

same specs

so A60 is slightly better than vanilla MP33

[unique loom]

Having an issue with one of my flashdrives and was hopin for some help. I previously used it to install linux, didn't really like it, so uninstalled it and deleted it. But seems like now windows doesn't recognize it as a flash drive, and kinda as an actual drive? But it still doesn't show up in file explorer or anything.

This is what it shows up as in disk and volumes

And this is it in disk management

[blazing musk]

It's just a file system that windows doesn't recognize

You can format it from disk management

[formal tusk]

Yeah or secure erase with bios, OR (with instructions and care) diskpart

[blazing musk]

Diskpart clean has saved a few of my drives yeah

[unique loom]

What file system would I do?

I already deleted all the linux files off of it, I just did like the default NTFS default allocation unit size etc etc

Shows these when I format it BTW

It's like, a crappy 16gb flash drive so if it's easier I'll just buy a better one

[blazing musk]

FAT32 is often best for smaller drives like this. Did you try deleting the partition and recreating it with the new simple volume option?

[unique loom]

Yeah, I delete it so it's all unallocated and make a simple partition. still being weird and saying it cant

but then it says the space is allocated just not visible

Mightve messed up the drive somehow, keeps saying windows cant recognize it and it might be corrupted

[blazing musk]

Ok sounds like diskpart time.
Open an admin command prompt, and enter diskpart
list disk
select disk X (where X is the number for the disk, you can tell by it's size)
clean
Then you can close it and go back to disk management, where it will ask to initialize the disk

[unique loom]

Sweet! That fixed it 💪

[blazing musk]

Diskpart ftw

[unique loom]

You're my computer help 🐐

[harsh sage]

oh yea i forgot to mention

turns out truenas just hated my asrock x99 board

🫠

[acoustic nest]

I remember when I accidentally deleted my efi partition

[blazing musk]

That's an easy fix if you have the install disk ready

[rare lintel]

just wondering does the m.2 samsung 970 plus have any noticable real world differences with the 980 pro when just playing games on in? sorry this is my first time buying an M.2 since I moslty use sata drives and HDD's and both my drives are getting full

[formal tusk]

what's the drive being used for lad

[rare lintel]

just storing games, since I used to store my games on an HDD

[formal tusk]

is this your first m.2?

[rare lintel]

yeah

[formal tusk]

what pc is this going into?

[rare lintel]

I have 1 ssd for a boot drive and used my other 2 HDD for storage of files and games

[formal tusk]

oh what motherboard is this going into

[rare lintel]

an msi b450 gaming carbon ac

[formal tusk]

so pcie 3.0

ok

one sec I'll find you a good value one

@rare lintel how big do you want the ssd to be and how big is your budget

[rare lintel]

just 1TB storage is fine

[formal tusk]

ok that makes things easy

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-1tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329021?Item=N82E16820329021

p41 plus is like, kinda 980 territory but better and much cheaper

and a pcie 3.0 motherboard is fine with this

the performance difference is almost negligible

[rare lintel]

ok thanks for the recommendation and might order one in a few days

[formal tusk]

no worries

[rare lintel]

btw why do I see some brand m.2 have heatsinks, is it recommended?

[formal tusk]

to clarify, peak speeds will be limited to 3500 instead of 4125, but at the same time, that sort of speed only runs for like 10 seconds anyway on an ssd so, beyond 10 seconds it's basically the same

[formal tusk]

a lot of the fast stuff these days need heatsinks, it varies per ssd but, without sounding too confusing, ssd's that use over about 4 watts of power in use I would say deserve a heatsink in some form

it gets a bit more specific than that but really it's like, lots of watts = lots of heat so they want a heatsink to stay at good running temps without slowing down

[rare lintel]

ok thanks for the info

[formal tusk]

np

oh

one more thing @rare lintel

I would suggest migrating your windows to this new ssd

will make things a fair bit snappier

but if your windows is already on an ssd it won't be too much of a difference

[rare lintel]

ok, I'll note that

[turbid torrent]

I need a good 2TB SSD for a steam backlog as my 8TB HDD is full, going to move my more played games to the SSD. Any recommendations? Anything over 2GB/s reads

[dense merlin]

M371 on tiktok shop

Or adata premium

[turbid torrent]

I've never used tiktok before, didn't even know they had a shop

[dense merlin]

They just added one

They give everyone a $20 new user coupon

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1

[dense merlin]

And prices on some things are already lower than other sites

Like adata premium is $55 after the coupon

I got a p41 plus 2tb for $34 after tax

[turbid torrent]

That's absurd performance for that price wtaf

Does it have dram cache?

[blazing musk]

No cache but it's still a good drive

[sour wadi]

✨HMB✨

[sacred rock]

Hello all... I have a dell latitude 7420 i got from work but it has no hard drive on it. can anyone suggest one that I should get?

[minor sun]

What's your budget? I'd recommend grabbing a SSD for boot if it has no drives at all inside

[viral yew]

Looking for a SSD for boot drive, 1tb under $100. Going in a b650e-i mobo. Was looking at the solidigm p44 but wondering what else is out there that might be noticeably better

[real lava]

p41 plus is plenty

don't need anything fancy

the only case i'd buy one of the fastest drives around is video editing, 3d work, all that workstation stuff

on newegg tiktok shop, you can get nice deals on the p41 plus atm

even outside deals, you can get 2tb version for just 65

[viral yew]

Thanks, been trying to get that new user discount but never shows up for me after making two accounts but I'll probably pull the trigger anyway, too good to pass up as is

[real lava]

that's a shame, seems it's not applicable to everyone lol

but still, 65 for 2tb is nice

[olive glade]

Once you hit a certain speed you don't fully notice it
It's not like your going from hdd to ssd although I do recommend at lest 1tb for os.

Too much junk that goes there

[quiet gust]

Server's hba is cooler than ever before

3d print didn't come out so good but good enough to support the card without breaking

[quiet gust]

Removed the previous 80mm fan, smaller 40mm one is in since it's much quieter

It's a big mess of cables, soldered stuff, sata splitters, voltage regulators... but at least it's compact

[regal rain]

Hello I have a Compaq Presario C300 and I need to find/order a hard drive for it. What do you all reccommend?

[dense merlin]

Do you have an ssd in it already?

[regal rain]

No it is an older one.

[dense merlin]

What size are you looking for?

As in capacity

[regal rain]

Anything more than what is has now like 500 GB to 1 TB if possible\

Should I go to Newegg?

[dense merlin]

I got you, one min

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nXF48d/silicon-power-a55-1-tb-25-solid-state-drive-sp001tbss3a55s25

$71 for the 2tb model

480gb, this is fine https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TmzhP6/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-480-gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tz480g0c101

@regal rain

First link, 1tb for $40, same model 2tb is $71

Then 480 for $22

[regal rain]

Why thank you very much. I didn't know if it was supposed to have programs on it already or what it is supposed to start out with.

[dense merlin]

Nope, but you will have to install windows on it

You can download windows to a USB drive from your laptop before replacing the drive with windows media creation tool

[regal rain]

OK I have a Windows XP disk I can use.

Would that work? The laptop has a CD drive.

[dense merlin]

Yeah thats fine, though if it's running on windows xp I'd look into potentially replacing it soon, if possible

You can get stuff as cheap as $50-100 on fbm

With fairly new cpus, I got one for $80 with an 8th gen i3

[regal rain]

The original problem was that it would not boot up and it it said that it did not have a hard drive.

There are har drives with Windows 10 and such but I'm afraid that the RAM couldn't handle it.

I put Windows 7 on a computer once that was running XP and now it's so doggone slow.

[dense merlin]

How much ram does it have?

[torpid adder]

10 and 7 are different

[dense merlin]

And what's the cpu?

[regal rain]

I Ram is 512 MB

I don't know the CPU. I didn't take the machine apart that far. Unless it is under one of the panels on the bottom.

[dense merlin]

Ah yeah

That's not running windows 10

I would not spend the money to put a 1tb ssd in that unless you plan to carry it over to another machine in the future

[regal rain]

I'm just going to get a standard 5400 rpm drive in there. It is a computer that I got for nothing and it's worth the money to get a hard drive and then see if it works.

[dense merlin]

500gb ssd and hdds are the same price so it's actually kinda pointless to go for an hdd

Thisd be your best bet https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TmzhP6/teamgroup-t-force-vulcan-z-480-gb-25-solid-state-drive-t253tz480g0c101

[regal rain]

Alright, then I'll try that. Thank you for your help. I must go attend something now. Good bye for now.

[lapis island]

If anyone can help i bought a ssd for my pc and it wont show up in disk management

[small carbon]

reseating would be my next thought.

[dense merlin]

There's something you have to do to it but I don't remember what it is for it to show up

Pretty sure it's in bios but I'm not sure

[blazing musk]

Is it SATA or NVMe?

[lapis island]

Nvme

[blazing musk]

What motherboard do you have and what other devices do you have attached to PCIe, like GPU and wifi

[lapis island]

I have a aorus b550 elite ax v2 hdd,500gb m.2 and a rtx3060,

[blazing musk]

Ok, and are you using the top or bottom M.2 slot?

@lapis island

[lapis island]

Top

[blazing musk]

Hmm. So technically that configuration would be perfectly valid.
Try the bottom slot. I know it's under the GPU, sorry.

[lapis island]

I tried it and it worked

[blazing musk]

Great! That bottom slot will be functionally the same, except it'll run at PCIe 3.0 and not 4.0 if your M.2 drive supports it.

If you do have a 4.0 drive we can try to figure out why it didn't like the top slot, or we can leave it as is since 4.0 doesn't help gamers anyway.

[turbid torrent]

How much does OP help with a dramless drive?

I've never had one without a dram cache before

[open gazelle]

OP just helps with WAF (write amplification factor), basically rewriting more data to the drive to completely fill the data blocks. DRAM cache doesn't have direct ties to WAF afaik (wouldn't be surprised if it does affect it tho). WAF slows down write and writes more data to the drive (1gb file written to the drive with 2x WAF will be a 2gb file write to the drive).

Controllers use to suck in the old days when it came to managing WAF, which is why OP use to be highly recommended. Now-a-days it isn't as bad.

HMB helps a lot with dramless drives, but that is PCIe only. No SATA drives can do HMB.

[turbid torrent]

I was told that without a cache the drive tends to move a lot more data around so I figured over provisioning would help

Looking at it, it seems to only be the case with ones that don't use a host memory buffer

Also is it possible to change the amount of HMB a drive uses? I swimming in ram

[torpid adder]

Pretty sure it just uses 64mb

[small carbon]

Yep, usually about that. Majority of ssds indeed either have hmb or dram.

[blazing musk]

More cache does not equal more speed, it's basically just a directory of where files are located

[quiet gust]

How much can I sell each for? They're not exactly the same but I also can't find what differs in these two models (they're sas ssds)

I see that online they sell for 70 up to 100 but I feel like it's an exaggerated price and they likely don't sell many for that price

[dense merlin]

Depends on market for your country, in the US you'd be lucky to get $20 for them unless I'm missing something

[quiet gust]

Idk, I've been looking at EU listings mainly, 70-100 that's the range but I guess I'd not sell much for that high of a price

[dense merlin]

I mean, they're just normal ssds right?

Or is there something special about them

[quiet gust]

I'm not too sure, I know sas drives are meant to be accessed by multiple "users" at the same time if I remember correctly, this one even if it's 9 years old is able to achieve 1.2GB/s sequential rw speeds but idk if that makes it more special

[small carbon]

The 1GB+/s spec is common for some sas drives, basically sata-4 speed in a way. Sas pros don't do much in a normal pc & obviously they don't use a typical sata cable. Worth more than a sata ssd, but tbh probably not over $50 each considering other options nowadays. At the mercy of the market

[bitter timber]

Hello people, so i'm trying to add these 2 unallocated spaces together, but for some reason that isn't working at all, and I keep getting an error saying the drive is too small, or It makes it a dynamic drive and then proceeds to not work, if anyone could help me that would be amazing. I'm currently trying to make this my main drive as well so if anyone has good free programs that can help me with that, that would be cool too

I managed to fix the first issue, but I don't know how to do a system clone, because apparently it aint free

[quiet gust]

Free system clone? Macrium reflect (8) is free

And intuitive

[bitter timber]

yeah I just used that

slight problem

[quiet gust]

What is it?

[bitter timber]

everytime I clone it puts unallocated space

and i can't extend the volume for some reason

changes it to dynamic and then says its out of space

even though I want to move the unallocated to the backup

[quiet gust]

There should be an option in Macrium that allow to fill the space if the destination drive is bigger, doesn't that work? Don't remember exactly what it's called

[bitter timber]

i really hope there is an option somewhere

because everytime i do it on a different program its like oh sorry you gotta pay for our pro thing

[quiet gust]

This option is included with the free version, I've used it several times for hdd to ssd transfers

[bitter timber]

okay so now I need to figure out how to put all of this back to unallocated

because i can't delete those other partitions in windows

it wont let me

[quiet gust]

Right click on the allocated space in disk management and you should be able to delete it from there...?

[bitter timber]

No option too

how i did it last time

was by getting ANOTHER program

to delete everything

so i might just do that again

[quiet gust]

Uhh
I've had this one problem when using SD cards or usb pens for either windows mobile or windows installers and the efi couldn't be deleted, for some reason I was able to set everything to unallocated space only after I rewrote the windows installer (using Rufus) and then deleted the partition

[bitter timber]

yeah thats

let me just get this other program cuz i'm lazy

[quiet gust]

Alternative is to try diskpart in cmd

But I often find it not effective with this type of problem

[bitter timber]

you know what would be amazing

if I can just do this all in disk management

without having to get a third party tool

[quiet gust]

I wish it was that easy too

[bitter timber]

omg i think u might of just saved me hours

I found the shrink or extend thing

[quiet gust]

Nice

[bitter timber]

bro it should just be like that by default

if this works, which it should, thank you

[small carbon]

In the most recent pic you only right clicked on the efi part btw.

[bitter timber]

and after this i'm unplugging that drive from my motherboard because when I did a factory reset I thought it was going to do it on my windows drive but it didn't

it put it on my old drive and thats why I came here because I haven't did this in like forever

[bitter timber]

idk what that means, but it should be all good now

[small carbon]

Re read what I typed and look again at your previous pic. If you right clicked suitable partition you'd see more clickable options.

[bitter timber]

ohh

Yeah I don't know much about this storage stuff

Because I don't usually have issues with this kinda stuff but i'm just gonna unplug my old drive, so that if I do need to factory reset again, it should put it on my new drive next time

yesss it worked correctly this time

[amber quail]

Anyone know how to move games from launchers to a hdd? I have games on my ssd in my laptop and I wanna move them to an hddd and from hdd to new ssd in pc

[blazing musk]

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c5719341124379/launcher-support-c5719357217435/how-to-move-an-installed-game-from-the-epic-games-launcher-to-another-directory-on-your-computer-a5720215231515
https://www.partitionwizard.com/resizepartition/how-to-move-blizzard-games-to-another-drive.html
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4BD4-4528-6B2E-8327#:~:text=Library folder above)-,Navigate%20to%20your%20Steam%20client%20'Settings'%20menu.,wish%20to%20move%20are%20located.

[amber quail]

Ok thanks

@blazing musk case is here

[dense merlin]

w

[amber quail]

Have a problem tho

My cpu power cable from the psu is stuck to the mobo

How do I take it out

[manic dagger]

push down on the top tab and pull

this guy

[amber quail]

Got it

[visual tulip]

Is this is where I put my ssd

[torpid adder]

Bro has a chocolate bar

[visual tulip]

It's a 2 TB chocolate bar

[torpid adder]

Cronch

You can put it in one of two slots, the piece of metal that says "m.2 armor" is the primary slot

[visual tulip]

Did I do it right?

[torpid adder]

Yea

[visual tulip]

Ok, I don't know if I use the extremely small screw or this one

[visual tulip]

Do I need a specific m.2 ssd to use the hyper, or will any work?

[torpid adder]

No, they're both just ssd slots

[visual tulip]

OK, so it'll work perfectly fine

[torpid adder]

👍

[visual tulip]

Bet

[torpid adder]

This is a standoff, you put the standoff underneath the SSD in the screw slot where it will hold the SSD in place, and then you fix the SSD to the standoff with the screw

[atomic thicket]

Any good priced SSDs 1 to 2TB

[real lava]

mp33/34, a60, m450, p41 plus, 670p, ud90

[atomic thicket]

Ok I just want to have more storage also Windows next

Which is going to be a pain

[atomic thicket]

Do you know what an M2 locker is?

[blazing musk]

That could mean a few different things, maybe the swivel clip that MSI puts on some motherboards to make M.2 installation easy?

[atomic thicket]

Ya I found our while putting in the ssd anyway is it ok if I am missing a mobo screw

8 instead of 9

[blazing musk]

That's fine

Most cases have a guide peg to help align the motherboard that would take the 9th hole

[atomic thicket]

Is there supposed to be a gap?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[atomic thicket]

Where should I put my fans IDK I have 2 140 front and 3 120s

[blazing musk]

I'd do the triple 120 intake in front, rear 140 exhaust, top rear 140 exhaust

Reason being 120mm fans are generally higher pressure than 140mm

[atomic thicket]

Are these good they are not pwm tho

[blazing musk]

DC fans are still ok, PWM is just slightly quieter

Rosewill fans are pretty mid generally but usable

[atomic thicket]

I cant get the 140mms out some of the screws are stripped

[blazing musk]

That's fine, they can stay

[atomic thicket]

Then what about the 120s

[blazing musk]

You can do one on the rear, 2 on top as close to the rear as you can

[atomic thicket]

The top ones pulling air out or pulling in

[blazing musk]

Exhaust

All 3

[atomic thicket]

Ok

How do I know which way

[blazing musk]

Normally you wouldn't want more exhaust fans than intake but it shouldn't be a problem in your case, and if it is a problem just run the front fans faster

[blazing musk]

The side with the frame is the direction of airflow

[atomic thicket]

Ok

[blazing musk]

So the frame side would be up against the case for exhaust

[atomic thicket]

What do I use this for or do I not use this?

[blazing musk]

It's optional

You probably don't want to use it

[atomic thicket]

The fans are not threaded

[real lava]

you have to manually thread them with the screws

[atomic thicket]

This good enough?

[real lava]

yes

[atomic thicket]

Where would I put this fan on the back like keep it low or high?

[atomic thicket]

Is this a good spot? Or do I go higher?

[real lava]

doesn't really change much how you place it

but go higher

some of the screw holes are blocked

[real lava]

ah alright

that looks fine enough

[atomic thicket]

Where do I plug them in?

[real lava]

the empty header next to the three already connected

Connect it like those

[atomic thicket]

I did but there is a pin not connected or is that fine

Also idk what cables other then these two I think that I have to pull into this PSU

[real lava]

If you don't have any sata drives or sata powered gadgets, those are unnecessary

And that's fine, because that's how 3 pin DC connectors look when hooked up to 4 pin PWM header