storage-devices

[blazing musk]

Benefit to what exactly? 16k video editing or something?

USD? Is this for gaming?

And do you need anything extra like monitor or peripherals, maybe wifi?

[manic dagger]

https://youtu.be/DXT1IXFIFAI moving games is a bit bigger. Loading showed a small increase

[blazing musk]

Loading games? Sure if a 0.001 second improvement in load times is worth it to you

[unborn kayak]

yessss, USA and for gaming, hmm no monitor needed, just the case

[manic dagger]

its also sounds fun doing a raid. If its on an x16 slot thats cpu lanes so I can put windows on it and boot right?

also one larger volume is easier to manage imo

[blazing musk]

Where the lanes come from don't impact whether you can boot off it

[manic dagger]

ok good to know, but I can boot of raid 0 right?

[blazing musk]

Yeah but you'll need to install the raid drivers before you install windows

[manic dagger]

ok thats fine

[blazing musk]

When you go to install hit load driver

And point it to the raid driver

Then the raid array should come up as an install target

[manic dagger]

this is when I install windows. Also put raid drivers on the usb?

new build btw

[blazing musk]

Yes you'll need the drivers on the USB when you're installing windows

[manic dagger]

cool thx

[manic dagger]

which one sry https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/amd-socket-am5/x670

[blazing musk]

You're on X670 right

[manic dagger]

yeah

but theirs two raid drivers

[blazing musk]

Good.
Grab the 3.3MB one. That's just the basic drivers you'll need to set it up. Then you'll install the larger package once you're in windows.

[manic dagger]

ok thank you for help. Pray for me haha

[blazing musk]

Good luck. Raid is tricky at best.

[blazing musk]

If you can afford to do a little higher you can get the absolute best PC anyone can get as far as specs. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2q8pZw

[unborn kayak]

Thank you!!!!

[blazing musk]

Could probably shave that down a little closer to 2500 if needed

[unborn kayak]

I think that 100 wont matter, thanks a bunch!

[blazing musk]

Happy to help

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H7JJv3

[dense merlin]

Also a very nice list

That one will perform better

[blazing musk]

XTX doesn't hold a candle to the 4090. It's a shame there's nothing between them right now.

[dense merlin]

Yeah, just depends on person if it's worth it

[blazing musk]

Indeed

[dense merlin]

Xtx was $830 just yesterday

[blazing musk]

Still is

https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Hellhound-Radeon-7900-Graphics/dp/B0BMWSRM7W

[dense merlin]

Oh is it? That's great

[blazing musk]

Shockingly still in stock

[dense merlin]

Yeah

$830 for 4080 performance

[manic dagger]

actually falcie would it be better to have 1 drive on the x16 adaptor and the other on the 5.0 x4 slot (processor lane, I think). That way each drive gets a full gen 5 x4 slot

[blazing musk]

Yes that would be best

That way you're not hitting the 16GBps limit

[manic dagger]

and that can still boot. cool

[formal tusk]

*more than 4080 performance

XTX is respectably between the 4080 and 4090 now

[blazing musk]

Which is straight embarrassing for the 4080

It's now 30% more money for less fps

[formal tusk]

I could pull the annoying * fine wine * card but fact is that it's legitimately happening rn lmao

[blazing musk]

BuT FrAm3 GeN

[formal tusk]

*cries in +40ms latencies *

[blazing musk]

and smeared frames

[quiet gust]

@blazing musk about the LSI 9240 8i you recommend me to buy (since it say flashed with p20 firmware = 9211 8i) will I need to use 9211 or 9240 drivers in windows?

[blazing musk]

Either way it'll use the same default driver, as long as you're not doing raid

[plucky sun]

I'm new here and don't know much. I am not even sure if this is the right place to ask this.
I am buying a ASUS ROG Strix SCAR 18 (2023)

I want to upgrade the RAM and run two SSD in RAID 0

I'm trying to see if these components are compatible right out of the box:

ASUS ROG Strix SCAR 18 (2023) Gaming Laptop, 18" Nebula Display 16:10 QHD 240Hz/3ms, GeForce RTX 4090, Intel Core i9-13980HX, 32GB DDR5, 2TB PCIe SSD, Wi-Fi 6E, Windows 11 Pro, G834JY-XS97

G.SKILL Ripjaws SO-DIMM 64GB (2 x 32GB) 262-Pin DDR5 SO-DIMM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Laptop Memory Model F5-5600S4040A32GX2-RS

Two of these to replace the two 1TB SSD the laptop ships with:
WD_BLACK SN850X NVMe M.2 2280 2TB PCI-Express 4.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) WDS200T2X0E

Also, if it were you and you wanted 64gb of DDR5 and two 2TB SSD what would YOU buy? 🙂

Thank you for your help.

[tawdry dove]

Just making sure can you have a external hard drive as a another storage?

[quiet gust]

Ok

I'm ordering it now

I'll test it the 1st or 2nd of August

[blazing musk]

Yes, you just can't install windows on an external drive. That's the only restriction.

[tawdry dove]

ok thank you

[quaint drum]

https://www.newegg.com/nextorage-1tb-ne1n-series-m-2-2280-pcie-4-0-nvme-ssd/p/0D9-0106-00008

should i buy this

or is there something better for that range

[blazing musk]

You can get a 2TB drive for cheaper, unless there's a specific reason you need a gen 4 drive

[real lava]

https://www.newegg.com/intel-1tb-670p-series/p/N82E16820167474

this intel drive is much cheaper

46 usd for 1tb

wait it dropped to 46?

ah nvm this is about normal price for a usual decent nvme these days at 1tb

2tb gets the price up to 89

[blazing musk]

The 670p is $40 on amazon right now

A60 2TB is $66 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28

[quaint drum]

this one offers like 7000 mb speeds

i want to experience it

i want to fly

[blazing musk]

What are you doing with it? Gaming?

[quaint drum]

currently on 530mbps 2.5

[real lava]

even a gen 3 nvme is plenty fast for gaming

[quaint drum]

windows, so faster startup,
also two browsers, discord, Minecraft with mods and shaders

[real lava]

also games doesn't rely a lot on sequential speed

same for booting

[quaint drum]

sometimes i record and edit some videos

rarely tho

[real lava]

upgrading to a gen 3 nvme drive would do the job pretty nicely

[blazing musk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102614680338456/1115505510154768404/image.png

[real lava]

going faster doesn't benefit you really

[blazing musk]

Load times for Forza

[quaint drum]

wait sata?

[real lava]

besides the drive you're looking at has no reviews yet

so we can't reccommend it yet

[quaint drum]

i thought m.2 is x10 faster than sata

[blazing musk]

Only when you read all the data in order

[real lava]

only in sequential speeds

^

games, booting into os all have files in differently sized fragments

[quaint drum]

so if i get an m.2 won't i get faster boot ?

[real lava]

for boot well, only for a couple seconds

[blazing musk]

It's a few seconds faster booting yeah

Goes from like 14 to 12

[quaint drum]

so then what's with these insane numbers of 7000mbps lol

what are they good for

[blazing musk]

That's for extreme workstations with 64 core processors doing giant blender renders or 8k video editing

[quaint drum]

all i'm trying to do is bootup faster and play minecraft and watch memes

i ain't about that life

[blazing musk]

This will be plenty

[quaint drum]

[blazing musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885523647400390686/1100323030443511818/image.png

1 second difference between gen 3 and 4 lol

[quaint drum]

[quaint drum]

"sata" is referring to sata ssds right

the 2.5

[blazing musk]

Yes

There's also sata M.2 drives though

[quaint drum]

ok and m.2 is just the form factor

[blazing musk]

Yes

[quaint drum]

is pcie 3.0 m.2 ?

[blazing musk]

That's a version of M.2 yes

[quaint drum]

hmmm

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZQ97H3W?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

so this is good

enough

[blazing musk]

Yep. I have a similar drive in my system, same tier and stuff.

[quaint drum]

sorry

question

how much faster will it be than

mx500

2.5

[blazing musk]

MX500 is a pretty decent 2.5 inch drive, but you'll be able to load a few seconds faster in certain things like open world games. By a few I mean 0-2.

[quaint drum]

this is sad

i thought i will go x10 faster in everything

if i go with an m.2

gg wp

[blazing musk]

Nope. That's just what they want you to think.

[quaint drum]

[blazing musk]

"Buy the latest most expensive thing, it's better we promise!"

[quaint drum]

[blazing musk]

The only reason I'm recommending M.2 drives at all is they're the same price as 2.5 inch drives now lol

[quaint drum]

well i'll go make coffee and think about this brain storm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/973431655467479083/987973549333544960/9876-pepesip.gif

https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-Gen3x4-000MB-SU002TBP34A80M28AB/dp/B0BTLYTH71/ref=psdc_1292116011_t1_B07ZQ97H3W?th=1

what do you think of this

10$ more

can't upload a picture rip

[blazing musk]

UD85 is kinda bad random performance. If you wanted to go up a tier there's this. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B9855VGS

[dense merlin]

There's just no point in getting a sata drive for your boot drive anymore for 98% of people, since nvmes are so cheap

[quiet gust]

Can someone help me figure out if the M2 slot on a dell optiplex 3050 is a 2x or 4x pcie?

[quaint drum]

Post mobo info

Take picture of it

[real lava]

It's an oem prebuilt, so no way to tell exactly from just looking

[quaint drum]

Funny I've been able to pull up info on lenovo thinkcentre mobos

[real lava]

Looks like it is pcie 3.0 x4

Yeah dell provides little to no info

[quaint drum]

Right

[formal tusk]

Should be able to see the traces

[real lava]

all pics are low quality

rip

[quiet gust]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mL7YD0Y
Is there a way to understand if this thing is 1x, 2x or 4x pcie?

[real lava]

Those are always x1

Don't think about it too deep

Mining doesn't care about pcie lanes anyway, and these products popped up during mining boom

[quiet gust]

Are there any 4x? (From AliExpress)

[real lava]

None that I know of

[quiet gust]

I'll just look at some of those videos of people attaching GPUs to laptops with this adapter and figure out if there are any

Actually... Just so that I don't waste time: would it be possible (if I find a 4x adapter) to hook up a 4x pcie 4port ethernet controller?
Could it work even if it goes through the m2 slot?

I mean, people usually use those for external graphics cards so I think it'd probably work fine

[plush crag]

Yes

[red jay]

Hey i have a quick question i have the B650i motherboard with the 2 M.2 under the heatsink the bottom one is running 58c idle and this is a open case with no airflow over them is that ok. does not get above 64c during benchmarks. Its a open case

[quiet gust]

It's likely normal, depends on what ssd you have but some get up to 70C, they won't be affected at all

[quaint drum]

Most online reviews of this gives it 3-4 stars on average
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/solidigm-p41-plus-ssd-review

Any input on this

[blazing musk]

Tom's rating system is stupid

They say it's a good average and then mark it down for being average lol

Ofc it's average, it's one of the cheapest gen 4 drives

[quaint drum]

[manic dagger]

The EZ screw is not fitting. Anyone know what I need to do

The nvme board is above the screw holder thing

Do I need to remove the motherboard thermal pad

[manic dagger]

ok turns out the holder screw is broken

bruh

[real lava]

f

[manic dagger]

could I tape it down?

[real lava]

you could

[manic dagger]

also is it best to use the motherboard heatsink or m2 heatsink

[real lava]

mobo heatsink honestly

[manic dagger]

wait if the mobo heatsink goes over it do I even need to scew it down

[real lava]

more surface area

[manic dagger]

its the td510. the blue one with the fan

[real lava]

mobo heatsink for ssd doesn't need to be there at all if you don't wanna use it

[manic dagger]

but gen 5 runs hot

[real lava]

they do need to be screwed in but that's only when you use em

with that chonk heatsink on it, just give it airflow and it'll be fine

[manic dagger]

ok ill give it a shot

when removing the cooler, most of the thermal putty came off, what do? Apply some paste or try to salveage the putty?

@real lava ^

[real lava]

remove that and just put paste on

[manic dagger]

remove the putty?

[real lava]

ya

[manic dagger]

thens its paste connected to a thermal pad thats fine?

[real lava]

should be fine

[manic dagger]

ok its in. lets hope it doest overheat

[manic dagger]

after I installed it I realized theres a thermal putty on the bottom that I never removed. There is also a thermal pad on the bottom of the motherboard (in between the motherboard and the putty on the M2) should I remove it or is it fine

I dont see why I would need a thermal pad and thermal putty

[tender phoenix]

hi

[fringe cove]

can someone help me with my m.2 ssd configuration

[blazing musk]

I'm sure someone can. Are you able to be more specific?

What are you trying to do, what do you need, etc

[fringe cove]

i have this motherboard- https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450-aorus-pro-wifi/p/N82E16813145082?Description=aorus b450 pro wifi&cm_re=aorus_b450 pro wifi-_-13-145-082-_-Product and i was trying to get a pcie 4.0 m.2 (https://www.newegg.com/samsung-1tb-980-pro/p/N82E16820147790?) but i saw that the motherboard only has pcie 3.0 m.2 slots and was wondering if i should even bother getting the pcie 4.0 m.2 or if i should save money and get a pcie 3.0 m.2

[minor sun]

You should just stick with a pcie 3.0 drive, you won't get the benefits from a pcie 4.0 drive.

[blazing musk]

I'd recommend this instead. It's a good 3.0 drive, plenty fast for gaming. This way you get 2TB also. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZQ97H3W

[fringe cove]

thanks i appreciate it

[quaint drum]

https://www.solidigm.com/content/solidigm/us/en/support-page/drivers-downloads/ka-01737.html

i installed this

with my p41 plus

it does feel more responsive after the install and restart

[blazing musk]

Could be placebo but if it works for you it's fine

[red jay]

hello am have question

let’s say for example I bought a prebuilt pc with windows

and for example I want windows to be on the ssd rather than the HDD because it boots quicker.

(This is before setting it up and everything)

how complicated would it be?

and if there is no option to pick when setting up the computer, does it automatically download on the HDD? Or the SSD?

[blazing musk]

Pretty simple. Use Macrium Reflect to copy Windows to the new drive, and erase the old one.

Once you have it set up, you can tell windows where to download and store basic info.

[red jay]

My pc is coming soon and it has 1 tb hdd and 512gb ssd, when setting it up does it automatically pick a place to store itself or do I pick one ?

or does the prebuilt company pick one beforehand

[blazing musk]

Oh, they'll usually install the OS on the SSD

[red jay]

alr thank you!!

[red jay]

My USB flash drive is not seen in any operating system, regardless of it being the device manager or explorer, or on any port, or any computer.

[real lava]

Ded usb drive is a possibility

[red jay]

idk what to do with it now lmao

nothing physically is damaged

I was doing stuff with it weeks ago and I might've done too much with the drive to the point where it literally just doesnt work anymore but idk

i was trying to get disk images dealt with

[real lava]

I would try cleaning the contacts I suppose

[red jay]

already did that

[real lava]

Yeah well, maybe it's your bad luck then

[red jay]

nevermind suddenly its just working but going the usb not recognised route

@real lava

[real lava]

Weird problem, could mean all ways

[red jay]

tried populating from properties

volume information for the disk cannot be found

[fringe cove]

earlier when you were helping me i also found this on newegg - https://www.newegg.com/samsung-970-evo-plus-1tb/p/N82E16820147743?Description=samsung pcie 3.0 m.2 ssd&cm_re=samsung_pcie 3.0 m.2 ssd-_-20-147-743-_-Product) and saw that it had way faster read/write speeds than the m.2 you gave me and was wondering if this would be a better alternative

[blazing musk]

Read and write don't matter if you're just gaming.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589689072692494356/1124931263816552478/image.png

[fringe cove]

ok thanks

[quaint drum]

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Internal-Gaming-MZ-V8P2T0B-AM/dp/B08RK2SR23/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=1cqnK&content-id=amzn1.sym.9d90900b-f6e7-4619-89bc-160883c6ab4f&pf_rd_p=9d90900b-f6e7-4619-89bc-160883c6ab4f&pf_rd_r=429ZAHN49ZJJPJH1X099&pd_rd_wg=6pEuD&pd_rd_r=eb25d52f-9094-4db6-9a5e-00d49cb34f30&ref_=pd_gw_CEautoZG_0&th=1

starting to feel bad for getting the p41 plus over this

would be 25$ more for the 980 pro

or maybe i should move on

[real lava]

980 pro

bleh

if you get it you will need to update firmware asap

this particular samsung drive had a firmware that would prematurely trigger read-only mode

rendering it useless

just don't beat yourself up about it

[quaint drum]

yea that was my resolution

just get over it

[red jay]

wdym

[real lava]

I have just explained

Read the whole thing lol

[red jay]

yeah so like

do i just put it in

and turn on my pc

and get the firmware and downloaded

[real lava]

You bought the drive?

[red jay]

yeah

[real lava]

And well, yeah, you update the firmware through samsung magician program

So it involves turning on the pc with the drive installed

[valid moon]

Does anyone know if these top screw take aprt the hdd or if it takes it off the encasing?

[formal tusk]

Why?

[valid moon]

Tirning the external drive into an internal drive

@formal tusk well?

Figured it out

[valid moon]

And I have done it

External drive is now internal

Hooray

[formal tusk]

Oh nice

Didn't realise which screws you were asking about

[real lava]

external drive shucking is still a thing?

[blazing musk]

Yes but external send internal drives have been pretty close in price lately

https://shucks.top/

I saw a 20TB 7200 drive for $280 the other day

It's still $290 not a bad deal
https://www.newegg.com/seagate-exos-x20-st20000nm007d-20tb/p/N82E16822185011

[shut berry]

Need more storage but getting confused on form factors,only ever dealt with desktop

Is there even a difference

[blazing musk]

Top is M.2 2230 E key. Bottom is M.2 2280 M key.

Middle also appears to be 2280 M key.

It's the same as you would find on a desktop for the most part.

[shut berry]

2280 M key I'm looking for, didn't even know keys were a thing

Where can you tell

Isn't a 2280 a desktop one to?

[blazing musk]

That refers to where the gap in the pins is. It's pretty easy to tell just by looking.

Yeah desktops will use 2280 M key also. It's the standard one used by NVMe drives in general.

[shut berry]

Samsung 990 PRO Series - 1TB SSD $69.99 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHJF2VRN

So this from tech deal channel works ye?

[blazing musk]

It would but you can get a 2TB drive for that price. What would you be using it for?

And what model laptop? It might not even have PCIe 4.0 slots

[shut berry]

MSI, were can I tell what type pcie has

[blazing musk]

It'll be in the manual

[formal tusk]

It's gen 4 I think

The bottom drive is

[shut berry]

Doesn't say

[formal tusk]

So the other drive slot should be

The bottom drive says "Pcie Gen4 x 4"

[real lava]

many laptops takes 2280 m.2 drives

there's exceptions but generally they do use 2280

[formal tusk]

So you already have a gen 4 drive for the os

And considering this is a laptop

I'd just get a cheap low power 2tb

[real lava]

^

[shut berry]

I I

Any suggestions y'all know

[formal tusk]

A60

Mp33

M371

670p

M450

[real lava]

speeb felix

[formal tusk]

Don't pick NV2

Or NV1

P31 gold if it's almost as cheap as the others would be great too

You want lower power as high performance ones can run too hot without a heatsink (and said heatsink needs to fit in the laptop)

So stick to the simple stuff

[shut berry]

TEAMGROUP MP33 2TB SLC Cache 3D NAND TLC NVMe 1.3 PCIe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 Internal Solid State Drive SSD (Read/Write Speed up to 1,800/1,500 MB/s) Compatible with Laptop & PC Desktop TM8FP6002T0C101 https://a.co/d/g3qelRT

That?

[formal tusk]

What's the price

[shut berry]

68

[formal tusk]

Yep

Good to go

[shut berry]

Cool ty

[manic dagger]

hm, so if i wanted to raid0 two nvmes so i can simply have one large drive for everything, any downsides besides higher chance of data loss?

idk if the added latency is worth it

ok looks like the latency hit is not worth it, i have decided to not go with raid 0

[plush crag]

Could go with a spanned volume

[manic dagger]

any downside in latency or read/writes

[plush crag]

Spanned volume should perform nearly identically to a single drive formatted as usual.

Striped/raid0 at best will have double r/w and identical latency, but it usually hurts latency.

Pasting from another post I made a bit ago :

Somewhat related - ran some quick tests on the server last week with a bench image before we installed esxi -
https://i.imgur.com/fggaYlt.png
C: 800GB IBM SLC U.2
F: Team Group MP34 M.2 2280 4TB PCIe 3.0 x4
H: 4x p31 1TB windows storage pool
I: 1x p31 1TB
J: 990 pro 2TB

The windows storage pool is kinda sorta a spanned voume

Bottom left number is what you'll notice most in real world use

[manic dagger]

doenst like like I can but the boot drive on the spanned partition

unless I create a partition just for windows?

[plush crag]

I think you could do that during the windows install, but I wouldn't.

Just go with some high tier 1 or 2 TB off #tech-deals for boot as a single drive.

[manic dagger]

i already have two 2TB inland TD510

im fine not combining them but would like to if theres no downside

[plush crag]

downside is possible future headache if something goes wrong

[manic dagger]

i rather not have the increased lantency tho

[plush crag]

If you have budget and need for drives like those 510's, personally I'd pick up a 990 pro 2TB for <160 next sale, use that as boot, make a storage space with the inlands

windows storage space/spanned volume shouldn't incur any latency penalty

spanned is just jbod - mounts as a single volume, fills one drive after the other

[manic dagger]

but would one file be split across the two physical drives?

[plush crag]

In windows storage spaces, it shouldn't be unless you configure it that way

[manic dagger]

or is it more so two physical drives attached to the same letter

[plush crag]

yes

[manic dagger]

ok ill give it a go when I install windows today

[plush crag]

I would google around "site:reddit.com/r/datahoarder storage spaces vs striped" and similar https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/uj37kb/help_deciding_raid_5_vs_storage_spaces_vs/

[manic dagger]

if not im not gonna buy another drive, im fine with two seperte ones but its just a convience

[plush crag]

A lot of the community recommends 3rd party software, drivepool instead of storage spaces

[manic dagger]

but then i dont think ill be able to put the OS on it

[plush crag]

But that's not an option if you want to span the two drives to C:

Storage spaces is nice vs a spanned volume in that you can remove/add drives, it'll re-arrange your files for you

e.g. say 990 pro boot, two 510's in a storage space, you'll have the option to add more to the pool later on

You can do that with spanned volumes, like if you chose to install windows on a spanned 2x 510 for C: - but it's not as seamless, possible headache https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/o93r2q/adding_new_drive_to_spanned_volume_failed_now/

[edgy galleon]

I need help on what I could possibly do to help recover my files on my SD card please

it says "you need to format the disk in drive before you can use it"

if anyone can help please ping me i'll reply to further questions

[edgy galleon]

i'm using testdisk but i really don't know how to do this

[fringe cove]

does anyone know if i need standoffs for my m.2

i have a heatsink and since the heatsink is screwed to the mobo and the m.2 is stuck to it the drive is still horizontal with the port

my mobo does not have extra standoffs so i wanted to know if i need to get some

the heatsink standoff is too long for both the m.2 and the sink to be screwed down together

[jolly schooner]

It may place the connector part on the nvme under more stress which could lead to some damage

It prob would be best to get a stand-off

But again it should be fine if the heat sink is on top of it keeping the nvme in place kinda, I did that with my z490 e for a year and it was fine

[fringe cove]

thanks

[blazing musk]

Personally I use recuva. It's a bit simpler. https://www.ccleaner.com/recuva/download

It's freeware too so it won't be asking for payment after it scans like others would

[edgy galleon]

it seems like it recovered 99% of my data

but

I can't play the videos which is the important part

[blazing musk]

What format are they? What file extension?

[edgy galleon]

mp4 and mov

what do you mean by format? i play it with VLC if that helps

also ping if you reply i tend to not use much social media anymore lol

[blazing musk]

Wondershare repairit should help fix the files https://download.wondershare.com/repairit_full5913.exe

[edgy galleon]

how bad of a situation would you think i'm in?

this has gotten me stressed out for the whole day and i'm really tired :(

[blazing musk]

Not too bad it should be quick enough to fix

[edgy galleon]

thanks man

currently downloading, will give an update after a bit

curious on how these work

same with how i got myself into this situation in the first place lmao

[blazing musk]

For how the programs work, it'll basically try to convert the video to repair damaged headers.
For how this happened, I don't know exactly. There could be lots of ways a SD card gets corrupted.

[edgy galleon]

neat

[edgy galleon]

dang i wouldn't really consider them being fixed

it has color issues and artifacts

i really tried what i could

if there's anything else it's to take it to get it repaired

[blazing musk]

Anything past here gets a little more complicated. You can run the videos through an AI and it can clean it up.

[plush crag]

I would capture a "forensic image" of the drive first. You can use macrium to do so, or ddrescue/similar.

Then burn that image to an nvme or any fast ssd, attempt recovery from there.

[edgy galleon]

dang that's cool but I don't think i can do that

[edgy galleon]

last time i used macrium it was behind a paywall before i could continue

[blazing musk]

There's a free trial home edition

[edgy galleon]

I'll run through it again

[blazing musk]

The business version is the first one on the page, below it is home

[plush crag]

https://www.techspot.com/downloads/5442-macrium-reflect-free.html

[edgy galleon]

what do i do?

[ebon dome]

My friend needs some extra storage for gaming, pretty sure he has an M.2 slot but don’t want to spend too much. Thinking about getting him a P3 Plus as it’s about $76 right now for 2TB

Good buy?

[blazing musk]

Yeah that's a great deal

[real lava]

I would get 670p tho

[blazing musk]

Sure but gen 4 for only $10 more sounds great to me

[real lava]

but msi spatium exists lel

[blazing musk]

Which one? Because the cheap 4.0 one I've seen barely gets above 3.0 speed

[real lava]

oof

well nevermind then

[dense merlin]

Isn't p3 plus gen 3?

[blazing musk]

P3 is gen 3, P3 plus is gen 4

[red jay]

dang

i went to like 9 pc stores in my city

i walked to every single one of them

they weren't able to do anything,,

[edgy galleon]

what are good usb flash drives??

[blazing musk]

Good for what purpose?

Also wow we have 2 kaels in the same chat

[edgy galleon]

uhh reliable and that's it

yeah lol i typed on my discord browser tab instead of the app

i don't wanna lose my main acc:(

[blazing musk]

Something something SanDisk
They make decently reliable stuff in general for decent prices

[edgy galleon]

ehh yeah and samsung apparently too yes?

these

bout less than $20 total

[blazing musk]

Not bad for the size and speed

[edgy galleon]

yeah it's just for backup stuff i'll never experience mortal sin of not backing up ever again

• a few games and movies to watch and play with friends instead of bringing my whole external drive

[blazing musk]

Then the 128gb should be nice for that critical document backup space

[edgy galleon]

yessir thanks

should i get a sd card reader too?

idk which ones are good, but my current ones definitely need replacing

[blazing musk]

I'd only get a SD card if you have something that needs a SD card, they're a fair bit slower in general

[edgy galleon]

sd card for camera that's it

and a sd reader to when i transfer to a pc

flash drive is where i'll put it into instead of a blocky external drive

[red jay]

How common is it that 2 hard drives would fail at the same time? (Took my PC to the shop n they say they failed)

Should I replace them with ssd? Or get two new hard drives?

[real lava]

It's likely, but hard drive failures are often because of age or rough handling anyway

[blazing musk]

Uncommon but not impossible, especially if there's a lot of vibration

[real lava]

What's the capacity of those hard drives by the way?

Because an average nvme ssd is only $35 for 1TB

[red jay]

One is a 8tb and the other was a 4tb

The are a few years old tho

[real lava]

hmm

I would perhaps continue buying hdds

Although 4tb ssds are also dropping in price right now

[red jay]

Do you or can you recommend a ssd? I already have one 2tb ssd nvme (I think it is

[real lava]

I would look in #tech-deals

[red jay]

Ok thank you for the info

[red jay]

so i play a few mmorpgs and stuff (elder scrolls online, neverwinter, americas army proving ground, call of duty, insurection) would it be more benificial to get a couple ssd drives for them and a couple hdd for the non-online play

[edgy galleon]

is there any software that can help me with rearranging and managing data/files?

[blazing musk]

Without knowing what it is you're trying to do exactly, I can at least recommend you take a look at windirstat. It'll analyze your drives and the contents, giving a visual look at the file structures. It's especially helpful for finding giant rogue files.

[hollow sphinx]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/team-group-mp44l-1-tb/

the successor to the mp33? 😳

[blazing musk]

I thought MP34 was the successor to the MP33

So maybe it's the successor to the MP34

[hollow sphinx]

mp34 is just a higher end brother of mp33 with dram

mp44l doesn't have dram, uses hmb

low cost gen 4

[blazing musk]

Odd

[hollow sphinx]

review says it's $43 for 1tb

i see it a little cheaper already

$42 on wegg and amazon

[blazing musk]

Online games really do favor using SSDs. You'll get much faster load times, especially ESO. They're really cheap right now so it's hard not to get a 2TB drive when good ones are only $70 and then you can just use that for everything, no HDD required.

[hollow sphinx]

hmmm

could be an attractive alternative to the p41 plus maybe

TPU has it beating the 980 pro in random r/w

[edgy galleon]

just organizing stuff and also what's defraging? or a more detailed thing to what's it for and what it does

need tips to on how to organize stuff, ex: naming by year month and date for folders

[blazing musk]

Defrag isn't necessary on SSDs, and in fact can destroy them.
What it does is move the "fragments" of files that are broken up so they're continuous and no longer broken up.

[edgy galleon]

ohhhhhhh that's cool i didn't think it's mostly for HDDs

what about any general storage tips and maintenance or whatever

lowkey becoming a data hoarder

[blazing musk]

Windows handles maintenance automatically. It'll "optimize" your drives when it's idle.

[red jay]

Thank you very much

[blazing musk]

Here's a big one: make sure you have backups of everything that's important. Things like game files can be re-downloaded easily but your save files might not be so easy to replace.

[hollow sphinx]

hard drives spin the read arm over the physical disk to read files, so defragging helps a lot because reading a continuous block is much faster so it rearranges files into continuous blocks

ssds don't care because they don't rely on a physical arm to read data

oversimplified but you get the idea

[plush crag]

The windows defrag utility is SSD aware, it should TRIM or defrag as needed on schedule. Can run it to check.

[blazing musk]

Install XP on a SSD I dare you

[plush crag]

https://i.imgur.com/yrYDBRT.png

[blazing musk]

Good, good... Now write several large files concurrently and defrag it muahahaha

[plush crag]

I run xp images all the time on z790 over sata, never tried, I will out of curiosity next time I boot it up

[blazing musk]

You'd probably only drop like 5% health tbh but still, that's a few years' worth of wear in a few minutes

[plush crag]

Depends how full it is, I can't imagine it'd take more than a few drive writes even when 80% full

[hollow sphinx]

yeah, if you open disk defrag it'll tell you the last time it automatically trimmed

you can just leave it alone

[blazing musk]

XP isn't SSD aware though. They didn't know how to treat them differently to avoid wear.

You even needed SP3 just to use SATA drives at all

[calm badger]

any way of replacing a ssd? i got a new ssd for my laptop it’s a m drive and i’m trying to replace the other m drive but i don’t know how to get windows installed on the new one

[real lava]

Get a usb drive of at least 8gb capacity

Create windows install media with media creation tool

[fresh bough]

Huge

[floral yoke]

Question
How can I read or back up a 256GB PCIe-based flash storage from model A1466 serial C1MTT1RNJ1WL Apple MacBook Air (13-inch, Early 2014) ?
Can I remove the HD and find a way to read it?
The MacBook Air is no longer working.
Thanks for your help.

[real lava]

They seem to use a proprietary connector

[cloud kiln]

tfw sd card died after barely using it

it wasn't a main brand microsd

but it was a random one laying around that was still in its original packaging

used it once and it died

anyways

is there like a value pack of actually somewhat trustworthy microsd cards lmao

only needs to be at least 32gb, but fast

also one that is 512gb for expanding my phone storage

[cloud kiln]

ended up buying one sandisk for my phone and some pny microsds from a random article recommending microsds

[cyan needle]

There are constant good deals on them from Newegg and Amazon

[ebon dome]

Bets on how long until WD ships out my 2tb SN850x? Ordered on July 11th and I don’t recall it saying back-ordered at time of purchase

Still crazy to me that when I bought a 1TB sn750 for around $130 I thought it was a good deal. Then a 1TB sn770 for $100. Now I’m getting a 2tb 850x for $90. All in the span of 2 years. SSD market be crazy

[small carbon]

Yea that's why I would've done Amazon if I got another
Big Surplus of flash & such is part of it. Last 6 months alone was a good drop. Around march got my 2TB sn850x for $150 & that was decent back then. 4TB models are even around $160 or less on gen 3 now.

[red jay]

will this make my ssd have a shorter lifespan

[blazing musk]

Unless it's got a garbage controller, no

[torpid adder]

I don't understand why you would want to prevent sleep and idle states

[blazing musk]

It would technically improve latency in certain cases but only by a couple ms after leaving it idle for a while

Disabling sleep and idle mostly just uses more power, there's no real world benefit

[torpid adder]

yeah sounds like the drawbacks completely outweigh the benefits

[red jay]

im just gonna leave it at power saving

[sour wadi]

Standard might be the best of both worlds tbh depending on what they offer in that

[formal tusk]

Macrium reflect

[stiff badge]

Thank you

[stiff badge]

Would installing the second m.2 and then transferring everything over to the second one also work?

[formal tusk]

Mhm

That's really the only way to do it albeit installing it in some facet

Like an enclosure instead for example

[stiff badge]

Any downsides in doing a clean install by formatting drives— besides having to reinstall everything

[formal tusk]

Macrium clones the install 1 to 1

With a few extra options like customising the partition

Those are the things I've messed with, anyway

[stiff badge]

Oh ok

any recommendations on ssds? 2tb or higher

[formal tusk]

Depends what the system is for and what the mobo it's going in to

[stiff badge]

Mostly gaming, some school work. Asrock b650m hdv/m.2

[formal tusk]

Just a silicon power a60

Or p34a60

2tb is hella cheap

Or intel 670p if it's $70 for 2tb

[stiff badge]

Yeah I have a p34a60 rn

Not too worried about price, just reliability

[formal tusk]

I have a bunch of them, they're good

[stiff badge]

No issues with them dying after a while?

Or maybe I have a regular a60

[formal tusk]

Same thing

And nah

[fresh bough]

does generation matter with m.2 stuff, ive got a silicon power a60 and my board says it supports gen4

when i try to boot the red indicator led on the stick flashes twice then goes off and the ezdebug on my board shows "boot" which is apparently a storage indicator

I have read that they are backwards and downwards compatible

[real lava]

nope, they work with any pcie versions, backwards or ahead

[fresh bough]

gonna buy another? i was eventually going to buy more storage anyways but thats the only thing i can think of, i tried it in my friends laptop and it would do the same two blinks on boot then nothing and will not show up anywhere in the system

i think i can still return this one too which is nice

[real lava]

the drive is probably DOA

[fresh bough]

kinda what im thinking

rlly sucks, i was hoping to at least see bios post before Wednesday when my gpu arrives

also hoping this is what causing my display issue and not the mobo!!!

[real lava]

boot won't cause something like that

unless it's like a post fail code

[fresh bough]

No I’m just an idiot, the monitor I was using for testing was an older tv and either the hdmi cord was bad or the tv itself just wasn’t able to display :P

Gpu on Wednesday and new ssd on Thursday then it’s time for windows and driver updates!

[sand tartan]

Guys is it normal for a hard drive to make noises like clicking noises sometimes?

They’re mainly silent but sometimes when I’m transferring stuff to drives other than my hard drive, they making like clicking sounds. I’m not sure if it’s because it’s ironwolf nas drives but they’re brand new

I also haven’t used hard drives in 5yrs so I forgot what they normally sound like

[real lava]

That's normal unless it's really audible

[sour wadi]

Hard drive especially nas ones (not designed to be right next to you so they don't care as much) afaik are loud

[worn trail]

Hello, I am wondering if there would be any problems if I plugged my desktop's SSD into my laptop which already has a ssd. The desktop and laptop drive still has windows installed. What I want to do is move the drive onto the laptop temporarily so I can update some files while I am at work. Would there be any issues?

[blazing musk]

Theoretically, no problem. You might not be able to boot the desktop OS on the laptop, depending on your settings.

[sand onyx]

Be careful around windows files and you're fine

[worn trail]

Gotcha.

[acoustic nest]

yeah my nas drives are super loud

but like

not louder than my laptop fans

You guys got any advice for archiving files?

[sour wadi]

As in them files using less space because you won't use them often? 7zip ultra compression if so

[acoustic nest]

hmm

Is there any risk of data loss?

[acoustic nest]

looks like .xz gives the best result

still

gonna use .gz for better compatibility

[sour wadi]

Nope it just uses a lot of cpu time

[sour wadi]

Never heard of xz, but did you use ultra on 7zip because it has multiple compression settings

[acoustic nest]

Yep

On all of them

I did a bit of research

[sour wadi]

Hmm, it'll vary a bit on the file type too, fair enough

[acoustic nest]

xz seems to be a different algorithm that has a higher compression ratio

But I went with .gz for compatibility reasons

[sour wadi]

Wait in the one you linked xz and 7zip have the same size lol

[acoustic nest]

wait

oh lmao

gz's the largest but ehhhhhhhh

[sour wadi]

It's just x was listed first before numbers

Personally i go 7zip because it's on basically all desktop os's

[acoustic nest]

Yeah

tho I am leaning towards .tar.gz

Since the archive is running on a Linux machine

This is a very small archive tho

Only a few pdfs

So there's not much to compress

[sour wadi]

Ahh okay very little difference then

[stiff badge]

Why have a boot drive and another separate m.2 for everything else? Please @ me

[formal tusk]

Cos you can @stiff badge

[stiff badge]

Any performance reasons?

[formal tusk]

None at all

Unless the generation of drive is different

[stiff badge]

Oh ok

[formal tusk]

If I had to guess - that comment stems from having an ssd for a boot drive and a hdd for extra storage

Which does make a huge difference

Having windows on any ssd is a huge boost

What comes after that is essentially butter

[stiff badge]

I mean having anything on a ssd is better isn’t it?

[formal tusk]

Yes ofc

Just windows is the big one

[sterile viper]

Hey who knows how to delete these partitions

[blazing musk]

Open an admin command prompt. Enter these commands:
diskpart
list disk (and then make sure disk 1 is the correct disk, it should be)
select disk 1
clean
That'll wipe out the disk partition schema so it's like a new disk.

[sterile viper]

oh so the same thing we did earlier

should thought of that

[sterile viper]

im on disk 0 tho

[blazing musk]

Oof I see what happened

It made that the boot drive

Hang on there's a fix, give me a minute

After considering for a minute, I'll be honest it'll be a lot easier to just shut it down, take out disk 1, wipe disk 0, and reinstall windows.

[sterile viper]

disk 1 is what I want windows on.. disk 1 is the m.2 in my mother board I would have to take off everything heat sink gpu thats a pain

[blazing musk]

Ah I see, well you installed windows onto disk 0

[sterile viper]

Yea to test if windows was broken on the other one

then I just wiped it earlier

except for those partitioons

[blazing musk]

Take out disk 0, run the windows installer again and delete those partitions. Then tell it to install to the unallocated space.

[sterile viper]

ok

[blazing musk]

Select each of the 3 partitions and delete them

[sterile viper]

Well

It let me clean it now

[blazing musk]

You should end up with only one large continuous unallocated space

[sterile viper]

So I just did that

[blazing musk]

Well that works too lol

[sterile viper]

Yea I'm happy now I don't have two 1gb partitions

[blazing musk]

Now that there isn't a second disk for it to get confused with it should install to the right location now

[sterile viper]

1tb

That's another reason why I think windows was cranky personally but idk haveing your boot drive is two different partitions sounds like a bad idea

Hey is there a way to just delete windows from that other disk

[blazing musk]

Yeah once you're done installing windows you can put the disk back in and format the partition

[sterile viper]

Yea but wouldn't have to delete everything on it I wantes to keep the game downloads I did already

[blazing musk]

Easy copy paste before you wipe it then

[sterile viper]

Oh

Duh

I swear I don't think sometimes

I swear if I now have problems switching to my ssd I'm going g to flip lol

[sterile viper]

its so slow

[blazing musk]

Seems like a HDD to me

Is it faster than downloading at least?

[sterile viper]

Its copying off a HDD to a SSD

I gues its ark 300gb thats taking forever

and cyberpunk

[blazing musk]

Yeah, and mixed read performance of all those small files is horrible on most HDDs, which is where any SSD really shines when you're loading games.

[sterile viper]

yep idk What I should use the HDD for

[blazing musk]

I use it for pictures, music, videos, documents, my ISO collection... Stuff I don't access too frequently or doesn't need to be accessed super fast.

[sterile viper]

sounds like a plan

2tb SSD for game 1 Tb HDD for pictures, music, videos, and documents

Still makes me said when of my passport whichs is 3tb hardrive I gues started clicking on my and died during a power outage

[sand onyx]

Honestly, I never used more then a 1TB

[blazing musk]

Bro 3TB isn't enough for me

I had to delete a ton of games

[real lava]

I filled 512 gigs so quickly

[sterile viper]

I used a 1tb for alsmot 10 years and I can tell you it was very painfull my ark alone is 300gb

[real lava]

I didn't realize that until the laptop started slowing down so much

Cuz the ssd had only 10 gigs left lmao

[blazing musk]

Ark is easily the worst offender to my disk space I've ever played

[real lava]

Windows gave me low storage warning

[blazing musk]

And I play modded bethesda games

[sterile viper]

Thats how I feel about my laptop my IT teacher wanting to go over VMs and it filled it so quick from downloading all the ISOs

[real lava]

Stuff was freezing and stuttering

Usual symptomps of a full ssd

Dramless ones especially

Then again I did forget to empty recycle bin

There was like 100 gigs worth of stuff in my recycle bin

[blazing musk]

I just checked and including my mod staging folder Skyrim is taking up 100GB. Base game Ark uses more than that.

[sterile viper]

I guess it went just really slow at the begining I thought it was going to take hours but it just all of sudden zoomed

[blazing musk]

It probably got to the larger texture files so it got to switch from mixed/random read to sequential

[small carbon]

100+ MB/s is definitely much nicer than 2MB/s 😂

[sand onyx]

For srure

[harsh sage]

the RAID 0 ewaste brick

saved from the scrap, it shall serve a purpose once more.

[blazing musk]

RAID 0 as in you have 0 expectations of reading the data ever again

[harsh sage]

pff who cares about read/write errors

when you have

SPEED

im ashamed i paid money for these

[blazing musk]

It's not the errors I'm concerned about

It's the fact that if a single drive out of 6 fails you lose everything on the array lol

You could do RAID 50 and have parity

2 parity drives and 4 storage

That still won't save you from a total failure though

RAID 10 would be the ideal option if you care about the data on it at all, but then you're only getting half the total space/speed potential. At least you could lose up to 3 drives and be fine as long as they're in different pairs.

[harsh sage]

lol its funny you think id be putting anything even remotely important on this brick

raid 0 ftw

no parity all speed💪

[blazing musk]

No I didn't expect anything important, but 3TB of game files or w/e you end up doing would be a pain to re-download

[harsh sage]

Im just using it to mess with truenas/zfs primarily

itll be in another system

I dont typically like to mess with my daily at all

[blazing musk]

Ah so it's not going to be anything more than a test array, that's fine then RAID 0 to your heart's content

[harsh sage]

[sand tartan]

Guys so I have a windows network share server, I assume the hard drives are on even after setting it to shut down in 30mins, and the pc is idle and no one is accessing it. Should I just turn that function оff?

I’m not sure if the drives are 100% offline but I hear it clicks and rotate sounds sometimes.

[ebon dome]

after 3 weeks my SN850x finally shipped, woohoo

[small carbon]

That's why I didn't order from WD or w/e.

[blazing musk]

Backorder be like

[ebon dome]

3 extra weeks to save $10 lol

[small carbon]

probably was close price I ended up paying, lol. 6% back on my card helped.

[ebon dome]

The total ended up being exactly $89.99 for 2tb. They didn't charge tax for some reason. Apparently amazon listed it for that price for a bit, but at the time of my purchase amazon was $10 more than WD store

[quiet gust]

Just installed the LSI 9240 8i in my server and it already needs to be troubleshooted... :/
Basically with the card in and but not plugged to any drive it works fine, (only my main sata SSD is connected but not to the hba). If I connect the 3 sas drives to the hba the pc starts for 2 seconds, shuts off and restarts again, over and over...
Almost if there was some sort of short or power issue... What else could it be? Faulty drives causing it to not work?

[quiet gust]

Connecting Just one hdd works, trying to figure out where the problem is

[quiet gust]

Every hdd and SSD works fine if connected alone when no other drives are attached to the card, 2 4tb HDDs work fine, lets see 2hdds+1ssd if it shuts off again

Oh lord
Fastest hdd I've ever seen

Should I enable cache for writing on my HDDs, right?

[quiet gust]

Everything works... SSD seems pretty good too

[blazing musk]

How are you powering the drives? Through the HBA or with a cable that splits data and power?

[quiet gust]

The drives are being powered from the PSU sata connectors

I added the connectors since there were none
Btw I tested all three sas drives together and it seems to work just fine, boots but there's still a problem somewhere: with all the drives connected, if I shut off my pc, it won't turn on from the button unless I disconnect and reconnect the power cord

Also do you know what's going on with the "SSD" making mechanical sounds like a hdd?

[blazing musk]

Huh, that's a new one to me

[quiet gust]

Yeah that's very strange...
It's a IBM 400gb sas 12gbps ssd

But I can't find any specifications online

I'm happy that every drive is on and working fine but the pc really isn't,... It's difficult to work with sff stuff and dell products

I think I found where the problems are with the power.... The sata power cables don't make good contact with the sas adapters and that's why some of the drives rarely don't show up...
Found it out by plugging another HDD and not hearing the spinning noise, moved it and found out the contact issues

Does that explain why it sometimes shuts off completely?

AliExpress stuff 🤓

[quiet gust]

Seems to work fine... At least for now
I guess the pliers did a good job and I probably shouldn't move the pc around too much to avoid loosening the connectors

Yep, just a bunch of loosen connections because of 💩 cables

That's better

A lot of useless storage I'll probably never use completely

The server is very silent. I like it

[quiet gust]

@blazing musk

[blazing musk]

Yes you'll want caching on as long as you've got the ram for the HBA

[quiet gust]

...
Idk
I guess it has onboard cache

Lemme check

I'll just enable the setting and see what improvements I get

(photo shows SSD speeds, not hdd) As for the hdd, the writing speed I marked, went from 70mbps to 180mbps, amazing

[blazing musk]

Alright, what drive should I upgrade my laptop to. I have 3 spare HDDs. The current one is 160GB so any of these will be an upgrade. Will it be:
HGST

Western Digital Blue

Or Hitachi

Probably not the Hitachi because that's pretty weak in all areas so realistically between the first 2, faster sequential or faster random iops

[minor sun]

Hgst is always good

I'd do the hgst drive

[blazing musk]

That's the one that came out of my PS4 and also the largest of the bunch

Side note: the PS4 makes a buttload of partitions on the disk, no wonder usable space is so low when you've got 15 partitions ranging from 1GB to 16GB

[quiet gust]

https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/computer-shuts-off-and-wont-turn-back-on-until-i-unplug-it.217732/page-2#posts

I think I can confirm the problem with the pc completely shutting off and not turning back on. It's probably a short somewhere, I've wired a lot of stuff in this pc and also have some connectors sitting there inside the case, with nothing preventing them from either touching the case or the mobo, I'll open this thing up and try to figure out if that's where the problem is

[blazing musk]

Based on your previous finding with the bad SAS adapter I would agree

[quiet gust]

Idk if it's either the sas adapter or the sata power cables that has bad connections but I'll probably figure it out

I could wrap any connector that isn't actually connected to anything to prevent shorts

[blazing musk]

My question would be, does it still act like this if the HBA is out but the drives are still powered on

[quiet gust]

Let me try

Actually... Sas drives don't spin unless their data connectors are connected to the hba

But I'll try anyways

Cables that have this sort of protection around should not short anything right?

[blazing musk]

Unless the wires inside the sleeving are shorting together, yes

[quiet gust]

I'm thinking this thing that's shutting off my pc completely is actually a good thing... Because if it's always powered the HDDs keep spinning for some reason. The server is on from 12pm to 12am, I could use a smart plug that removes power for one minute, after the server has shut down (as if I was manually removing the power cord and plugging it back in), that way the pc is actually in that sort of stand-by, no HDDs spinning but Its gonna be able to turn itself back on (since it's scheduled to turn on at 12pm

Even if it's a short it shouldn't be a problem (since the pc is still living)
Right?

[blazing musk]

That could work

[quiet gust]

It's probably better than having the HDDs spin 24/7

[blazing musk]

I won't say you'll be safe from magic smoke but it might work lol

[quiet gust]

If it's actually a short it's nothing too significant, maybe just a slightly punctured cable

[blazing musk]

Well any short has the potential to turn into a big problem. Shorting power to ground creates a lot of heat in the cable which can make it worse.

[quiet gust]

Ok,maybe I should solve this problem and actually use the smart plug to stop the HDDs from spinning when the pc isn't "powered on"

The SSD sas cable was being pulled a bit and that's why it sometimes didn't show in windows

:|

Wait a second
Could I use a multimeter and test continuity from each sata power cable to the case..?

[blazing musk]

In theory

[quiet gust]

Can I do that with the HDDs plugged in?

[blazing musk]

I'd recommend with the power off but yes

[quiet gust]

Power is off, but the HDDs are connected to the splitter

GND pins make a beeping sound when touching the case.. ok
12v and 5v don't beep but they show some numbers on the multimeter

@blazing musk the 12 and 5v should show anything on the multimeter right?

Both 12v and 5v are showing some continuity, it's over 1200 (I guess ohms) so it's not actually a "big" short

[blazing musk]

Sorry I'm working on my own projects too rn
You're in resistance mode right? If there's continuity the number should be increasing

[quiet gust]

I set it to continuity mode, and I guess it shows the resistance too, the number isn't always the same but I see its over 1200

It fluctuates but stays between 1200 and 2000

[blazing musk]

Should be fine then, you'd see it increasing to 10kohms if it was short

[quiet gust]

When there's no continuity shows OL cuz it's out of range, the resistance of let's say the air is way too high

If I touch the two ends of the multimeter together it shows 0ohms or 0.1

[blazing musk]

Yeah there will still be some amount of continuity in a production system, everything runs through the PSU. If it was short you'd be seeing it change as I said above.

[quiet gust]

Ground cables and the case (when tested for continuity) they show little to no resistance and that's ok, every other positive connector should show a high resistance or should show no resistance at all

[blazing musk]

The ground is typically the cause of that continuity. The motherboard is grounded to the case and the PSU.

[quiet gust]

But I guess 1200ohm res. Between 12 or 5 and the gnd means there is a insignificant short somewhere

I'll disassemble and reassemble the hba and the cables to see if I can get rid of this sort of short

And as I told you before, no hba means no HDDs spinning, but also can't get the same problem as before, now that I removed it it doesn't shut off completely

[quiet gust]

I'm going to leave some info so maybe you can help me figure out a bunch of things

1]
Hba connected in pcie slot but not to the sas splitter cable.
Every sas drive is connected to the sas adapter and to the sata power connectors, works fine, shuts off normally

2]
Hba connected to both pcie and drives, drives receive power and they spin. Right now it shuts off completely. Power cord needs to be re-connected

[quiet gust]

3]
Hba connected only to the HDDs and not the sas SSD. Shuts off normally, but drives keep spinning when pc is "off"

4]
Hba connected back to all drives, problem occurs.
SSD or SSD's connector/adapter is likely the cause

Maybe there's the problem

[blazing musk]

That could very well be the cause

[quiet gust]

SSD power connector confirmed, idk if the actual sata pwr splitter or the sas adpt

[quiet gust]

This was not a problem since the broken pin is a 3.3v, but the way I wired my pc the 3.3 is not even connected, so basically even if it was touching the pin nearby (gnd) it didn't affect anything at all

[quiet gust]

I finally figured out where the problem is...
There are no shorts, it's an overcurrent protection, when the pc is turned off it goes in standby mode, which uses different 12v lines (the ones you see on the PSU sticker), and since the HDDs apparently would keep spinning after it's turned off they use just enough power to cause the PSU to overload those rails (that have a combined max output of 2.5A at 12v)
Since this pc has only 12v coming out from the cables I converted some of that to 5v, so basically any load on 5v is a load on 12v line(s)

When in standby mode I can't go past 30w.

2HDDs = 2×(12V×0.8A+5V×0.8A) = 2×13.6 = 27.2W

1SSD = 12V×0.5A+5V×0.95A = 10.75W

That's why it shut off with the SSD connected, that few power it used was just enough to trip the oc protection

[blazing musk]

Ahhhh interesting

[quiet gust]

This makes much more sense

[blazing musk]

Maybe a second power supply is in order

[quiet gust]

Now I have to figure out a solution

[quiet gust]

Yeah

Probably

External one and I could modify it to have sata connectors

Do you know if they sell any external PSUs that output both 5 and 12v?
Doesn't matter what connectors come out of the PSU since I'll cut them :]

I can't do a tfx PSU since the connectors on this dell are proprietary

[blazing musk]

I'd just use a spare, normal modular power supply and jump the 24 pin. Then the drives can spin all day if they want.

[quiet gust]

Yeah but it'd be a bit big
I do have some sort of non standard size PSU that's almost a sfx, 200w and already has a few sata connectors but it's a bit loud and old

[blazing musk]

Fan swap?

[quiet gust]

Maybe

I didn't consider this thing about the HDDs, it was unexpected and this basically makes the sff server no more sff

[blazing musk]

I don't have any units smaller than ATX right now

[quiet gust]

It's like mini computers that have external power bricks

[blazing musk]

Yeah the only other way around it I see is to make sure it never enters that standby mode

[quiet gust]

Mmm
I do have some small 12v laptop chargers that provide like 4-5A so I could try adding a DC to DC converter to get both voltages
And then hook up the data connectors

*sata

At least it's a good thing that the oc protection on this PSU works and doesn't actually kill it like some others

[blazing musk]

That's true. One thing Dell does right is their power supplies.

[quiet gust]

I wonder who designed the optiplex 3050, 2 HDD slots available but only 1 power connector

[blazing musk]

Probably the same guy that keeps reusing the same steel chassis in a slightly different way

[amber hound]

Can anyone recommend any NVME thats a good storage device for gaming. No budget im just looking for something that has a 2TB that is good for gaming

[manic dagger]

they're a bit pricy, but gen 5 nvmes are a thing now, does your motherboard have a gen 5 slot?

[amber hound]

Yep its an am5 board with gen 5 support. If possible too would you be able to recommend any gen 4 too

[sour wadi]

Gen 5 nvmes are a waste of money so far, gen 4 are barely worth most peoples money, especially for storing games

What country?

[manic dagger]

sure
so for gen 5 the best is Crucial T700, https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8hkH99/crucial-t700-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-50-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct2000t700ssd3
gen 4 if u want the best go 990 pro of SN850x

but yeah as pato said unless u have a need for gen 5 drives, go gen 4, doenst make much of a difference

[sour wadi]

All a waste of money for a game drive

[manic dagger]

only reason is u said no budget

[amber hound]

USA

[sour wadi]

Gen 5 drives actually have kinda crappy rands from what I've seen

[manic dagger]

ill run a test on my inland td510 later

[manic dagger]

if u want a bit cheaper 980 pro is also good

[sour wadi]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1

[sour wadi]

980 pro? Well priced? Ahahahahahahaahahaha

[manic dagger]

theres been some deals

[sour wadi]

Also 980 pro has literally been committing the die on old firmware and if you upgrade and the firmware update fails Samsung aren't covering it

[manic dagger]

ah i see, til

[amber hound]

I appreciate it I was looking between the 990 and sn850x bust wasnt sure which one was better

[amber hound]

I saw these and havent heard of them before but they looked promising

[manic dagger]

id go 990 pro

[sour wadi]

I'd old intel/sold to sk hynix, they're really good

[sour wadi]

Anything more than p41 plus is honestly a big waste of money for a game drive

[blazing musk]

Same dying issue, just less coverage of it because less popular model

[lone vapor]

need a nice ssd

preferably 2tb

relatively cheap

im about to fill up my current one

well not cheap but like a good price for the storage

nothing like $500 for 2tb

[blazing musk]

Either of these for cheaper options https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/VxfFf7,C3xbt6/

This one is faster in certain applications, but not gaming https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1

[lone vapor]

well

what would you get

because i dont need a ton of storage

1tb would work for what i need

i also want speed

[formal tusk]

There's also 2x m450 1tb for 54$

[lone vapor]

i might just get anotehr corsair ssd

i got mine for 80 and its 6000mbps i think

[blazing musk]

What would you need the speed for? I have a MP33 personally and it's fantastic, loads all my games quick

[lone vapor]

idk

not crazy speed but

i used to have a bad sata drive and

it really ruins a pc

thanks for helping falcie

i appreciate it

ill check out the mp33

[blazing musk]

Cheap sata would have bad random performance, I understand how that would be painful

[lone vapor]

yeah

dude it was awful

took me like 20 minutes just for all my startup apps to open

now i dont even notice them and i have like 3x more apps opening

[quiet gust]

Can someone help me find out at what speeds should the IBM 400GB sas 12gbps SSD run at? I can't find them anywhere

[plush crag]

List the model number

[half flint]

looking for a usb c nvme enclosure. sn850x going into it so itll have to be able to cool it to a degree, anyone got any reccomendations? looking for fairly compact, but also decent enough passive cooling. trying to stay under 30 USD and preferably from amazon

[blazing musk]

https://www.amazon.com/Plugable-Tool-free-Enclosure-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B07N48N5GR

It won't get the full potential of the SN850X for sequential speed but that's about the best in that price range

[half flint]

awesome, thanks

what would i need to spend to get full seq speeds with passive cooling?

[blazing musk]

There is no external interface capable of running at the full speed of that drive

The best you could do is thunderbolt 4 at 40Gbps, or roughly 5000 MBps, which is far less than the rated 7300

[half flint]

hmmm okay thats fine then, doubt ill need full seq

[blazing musk]

Thunderbolt 5 will be able to go up to 80Gbps when it launches

And USB C has 80Gbps in it's spec but nothing hits that yet

The dock I linked is only 10Gbps, which is all you'll find under $100

[half flint]

aight, thanks for the help, ordering the one you linked

you needa get your own affiliate link at some point, damn

[blazing musk]

That would actually be against the rules

I can't profit in any way here

I prefer it that way though tbh

More unbiased opinions instead of "buy this it's better, yes it costs more" and slipping my referral link in

[half flint]

good point

[cyan needle]

How does this compare?
https://www.newegg.com/maiwo-k1689p-enclosure/p/0VN-00D8-00037?Item=9SIAVF7JJD6708

[blazing musk]

Not as good cooling and I've never heard of that brand

Only 3Gbps on a drive that can definitely do more, probably a bad controller

[plush crag]

Did you you google the model?

[quiet gust]

Yes but I can't find the speed specifications (like seq. Read and write) apart from 12gbps (sas3) which makes me think that's the actual maximum and average speed of the drive

So about 1.2GB/s

[blazing musk]

lol that's very wishful thinking

[mental plaza]

anyone know a good microsd card that will last a few years?

my samsung evo died within the first 2 months

[blazing musk]

Contact Samsung for a replacement

They're usually decent, you probably got unlucky or got a knockoff.

[mental plaza]

I just don't know why, i mean i got it from Gamestop but they shouldn't be selling fake stuff

my luck probably got to me

anyway, I can try warranty

[blazing musk]

Yeah GameStop should have the real deal

[ebon dome]

It’s crazy how the only one I paid less than $100 for was the newest, largest capacity, and fastest one

[shell cove]

I have a Samsung Galaxy Book2 Laptop (Model NP730QED-KA2US) that I wish to expand storage. Which SSD model should I use to expand storage from 256GB to 2TB?

[blazing musk]

It's hard to find reliable information on this but according to Reddit you should have one M.2 2280 and one 2230 slot. You should be able to fit any M.2 drive without a heatsink.
What budget are you looking at for the upgrade? Drives have been very cheap lately.

[shell cove]

Thanks. It has been difficult finding specific SSD stats for the laptop. I did not know if it had 1 or 2 slots. One slot makes things more problematic (for transfer), so if it has 2, that is great. Yes, prices have been cheap lately. You can get 2TB < 100USD!

[real lava]

The laptop seems to have only one m.2 slot I think?

With a space for sata

Well nevermind

Falcie has already gotten more info than me lel

[torpid adder]

computer has storage plug

get the storage to put in the storage plug

stonks

[deep roost]

Hi, everybody. I just wanna ask about the Aorus 5000E nvme, is it good? what other nvme can you compared it to?

[blazing musk]

It's decent, but what will you be using it for? Odds are you can get something cheaper and not lose anything noticeable

[deep roost]

Just an upgrade for my crucial p1, will not use on any other purpose than casual gaming

[blazing musk]

You can definitely get something cheaper. Gen 4 drives don't do anything for gamers, even if you play the one game that supports directstorage.

Maybe a MP33 or A60

I have MP33 personally

[deep roost]

I just saw the 5000e on amazon, and its really cheap considering its pcie4 but i cant see any reviews regarding about it that's why i am asking here lol

[blazing musk]

Fair enough. If you want it just to have it it's a good drive. It can knock a whole 2 seconds off your windows boot time lol.

[deep roost]

Is it true that p3 plus is trash? Lol

[blazing musk]

Pretty much yes

[fringe mesa]

So, anything better than the SK Hynix P41 2tb now a days? Saved you all from a three hour text wall of mine, only just now realizing I typed it all on another discord 😅

[blazing musk]

P41 is still one of the best for random read/write but if you're looking for sequential speed the Crucial T700 is over 12GBps

[cyan needle]

That's what copy/paste is for xD

[torpid adder]

just type it all again anyway 😎

[fringe mesa]

That's the key issue, being able to get to it while on my phone lol. Moment someone talks, it rubber bands me back to the end.

[fringe mesa]

Hard to say. Basically it's for games that constantly read and write data, like Minecraft, Terraria, Starbound, and my new all time favorite, Farworld Pioneers, once know as Outworlder. That new system I built last August, no data bottlenecking, no lag spikes, except for other users who placed Fifty 100 slot containers in Starbound. Storage for that game is just horrid. Each slot in a container burns up drive space and ram, regardless if something in it or not. Now multiply that by 8 players, and it's lag city. Well not for me since last year, but others, sorta feel bad 😂

[blazing musk]

Game servers would be more reliant on random IO

So the P41 Platinum is probably still top 3 easy

[fringe mesa]

Thanks Fal. I use one on my Steam Deck externally as well. It runs so much better than the 250gb internal one. Mounts itself every boot up, so never have to go through all that chaos of having to load up desktop mode just to mount it like Steam originally told everyone. I didn't want to void the warranty, otherwise I'd have modified the 250gb NVME and swapped it for the 2tb internal which others do when replacing warn out parts like joystick.

[blazing musk]

Swapping the SSD in the deck doesn't void the warranty

At least not in the US

If you break something while it's open, that's another story though

[fringe mesa]

In order to access the one that came with it? Steam told me last year that it would.

Otherwise I'd sure as heck have made the swap, instead of having to carry a cable and drive around.

[blazing musk]

They legally can't void your warranty just because you opened it

If you break it, then that's CID and not covered

Valve even posted a "how to" video on how to open it

(while at the same time covering their butts and saying it's not recommended)

Now the problem comes when you realize that the deck uses M.2 2230 and not 2280, it's not a full size SSD

But you can still swap in up to a 2TB drive

The 2TB ones are just a little slower than 1TB, but that doesn't affect the deck much

[fringe mesa]

It's a LOT faster than the 250gb it comes with.

Brb, going to check on something

[blazing musk]

Any of these would be good https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/9ypQzy,y2V2FT,PHGhP6,srvD4D/

[blazing musk]

Here's that vid, time stamped for SSD replacement https://youtu.be/Dxnr2FAADAs?t=210

While you're in there... https://www.amazon.com/Electromagnetic-Steam-Deck-Thumbstick-Replacement-Accessories/dp/B0B31STJDH

[fringe mesa]

Lol, you get in me head way to often Fal. I got distracted when I pulled up this kit, that offers some pretty interesting features. I'm still trying to see what it does to fit a 2280.

https://jsaux.com/products/modcase-for-steam-deck-pc0104?currency=USD&variant=43680551764188&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google+Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuNemBhCBARIsADp74QQYIBGRcSxIDpvar_eypIESSlL0eTMbCbqcMxRFA-8OAG3BzINXu-waAt4XEALw_wcB

[blazing musk]

It's an external mount for the 2280 drive

Like this

[fringe mesa]

I saw some older videos from last year, where the YouTuber was selling some kind of insert that permitted the 2280 to be inside with some kind of adapter cable from 2230 to 2280. That's what I was looking up when I came across that link

[blazing musk]

What they probably did was a M.2 riser cable

And then a replacement back with room for the drive would make sense

[fringe mesa]

I accidentally sent back an NVME enclosure, thinking the fan was bad. Turned out, the NVME never seems to run hot, so fan never runs. Why on earth did manufacturers go to so much trouble, making heat sinks like as if NVME got as hot as CPUs?

Batterys for Steam Deck, now those run very hot. Even when plugged in and deck used same time.

Every multiplayer game that has dedicated server, I run off my desktops using NVME, and log in using my steam deck. It's not exactly portable when you got a controller, keyboard, deck dock, drive enclosure to have to worry about. That spacer I saw last year, suddenly sound quite handy now.

[blazing musk]

3.0 drives tend to be cool enough that they don't need any extra cooling, maybe passive airflow is needed but nothing direct.

4.0 drives can get hot enough to throttle, and they do so around 80-90C

5.0 drives are even hotter and I'm sure someone is going to make a model with active cooling

Generally they'll be hottest during sustained write operations

[manic dagger]

already done https://www.amazon.com/INLAND-TD510-Internal-Gaming-Heatsink/dp/B0BZ7WGLM8

[raw pawn]

God damn it my 980 is causing freezing on my computer and I'm probably gonna have to rma it. Any good reccomendations on a good boot drive that won't break the bank for a gaming pc

[blazing musk]

If you're in the US: https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power-p34a60-2tb/p/N82E16820301429

[raw pawn]

Thank you kindly

[quiet gust]

eprom jbod

eprom raid 1

[torpid adder]

They're multiplying

[quiet gust]

Ayoo

[quiet gust]

There's no way that I bought a 1tb 2.5" SSD for 60€ last year now for the same price you can get double the amount of storage

[cyan needle]

You're surprised?

[blazing musk]

Silicon overproduction be like

[torpid adder]

please continue to silicon overproduction please

[acoustic nest]

Yes please give cheap 4TB nvme