storage-devices

[blazing musk]

Yeah you won't even see the heat spreaders under the lights really anyway

[formal tusk]

I like my teamgroup ddr5 kit. It seems functional instead of just a loosely glued on heatsink and a decent pcb

[austere saffron]

$70x2= less than one kit of g skill royal gold

that’s wild

[formal tusk]

Pictures don't do them justice, they look a bit better irl

[austere saffron]

I love my corsair ram the way it looks but yeah the speeds suck

I actually checked what they were running at the other day

stock.

even tho I went in bios and changed it

so I did it again

[formal tusk]

Vengeance also have icue issues 💀

[austere saffron]

I haven’t had any issue thankfully

BUT I HAVE WITH THE FANS

[formal tusk]

Lol

[austere saffron]

OMG

I CANT EVEN

[formal tusk]

I was icue obsessed in my early days

[austere saffron]

watch this ratio

damn

[formal tusk]

But I wouldn't touch the stuff now

[austere saffron]

it went away 💀

Okay so I bought the h100i plat aio and 2 weeks after building the computer the fans stopped lighting up 💀

I contacted corsair and they said they could give me a new aio once I sent the current one back

I said hell no

So I bought rgb strips to make up for the lack of rgb the fans had

also is this mobo good? wrong chat but y’all answering all my questions rn so whatever

[formal tusk]

Ehhh, not really any benefit over the a520m I suggested earlier

For 60% more

💀

Maybe some more io if anything

(usb ports)

[austere saffron]

well I need the usb ports

wait

maybe for my college one I don’t

this one?

it’s MSI tho 😒

I’ve had issues with msi in my past

or is the gigabyte one you’re talking about the one?

wait im@dumb

💀💀

nvm

[formal tusk]

No, asus tuf gaming a520m wifi

[austere saffron]

yeah I see

and what cpu did yall recommend instead of the 5600

[formal tusk]

Nothing unless it's am5

[austere saffron]

but the a520 isn’t am5 so 5600 is fine

[formal tusk]

5600 makes sense for super budget amd

Yes

Anything higher tier at this point you may as well do am5

Maybe 5700x

maybe

[austere saffron]

I built my main computer 3 years ago

3900x and 2070 Super

I couldn’t afford the 2080s

[blazing musk]

And only that if you're doing something that wants the extra cores like emulation

[austere saffron]

thanks for the help tonight @blazing musk @formal tusk

[formal tusk]

All good

[austere saffron]

I’ve got my build pretty much done now

Just gotta work these next 2 weeks to pay it off

[formal tusk]

Pretty much yeah, otherwise 7600 makes too much sense rn

[austere saffron]

oh

[formal tusk]

Or 12600k, or 13400(in rare occasions), 13600k, etc etc

[austere saffron]

why are X570s so expensive rn

[blazing musk]

2070S is still a pretty capable GPU, especially at 1080p. It can do some light 1440p stuff easily.

No one really needs X570, but the stock is probably running low by now

Less supply, higher price

[formal tusk]

X570 aren't worth it anyway for the normie

[austere saffron]

I have that currently in my build

MSI MPG Gaming EDGE WiFi

[formal tusk]

Yeah x570 adds lanes that most people don't use

B550 is normally much better

[blazing musk]

And you're probably using exactly zero of the extra features like RAID

[formal tusk]

Yeah pretty much

[austere saffron]

you’re right

I’m not 💀

[formal tusk]

Most people who use x570 use it like a b550

[austere saffron]

That would be me

[formal tusk]

Similarly that a520m is like a b550 without b550 features

[blazing musk]

A B550 with an extra fan at that

[austere saffron]

I think the only reason I did buy the X570 was because it had RGB 💀

[formal tusk]

I made this mistake too, no one is omnipotent

[austere saffron]

😭😭

really messed that one up lol

[blazing musk]

Live and learn

[formal tusk]

Marketing and social engineering are powerful tools

[austere saffron]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WsLhk these are the combined parts for both a new pc and upgrading the current one

[blazing musk]

One of the great but also bad things about PCs is there's always more to learn, no matter how much you know

[austere saffron]

Getting to connect these fans to my x570 in the O11 is gonna be fun

oh yeah that’s the last thing I need

fans

[blazing musk]

And maybe a fan hub

[formal tusk]

Have a look at the air mini if you want an o11

/mini (if you can fit an itx psu)

Save a good bunch

[austere saffron]

what is that

[blazing musk]

What GPU was the RM850x going to be powering?

[austere saffron]

my X570 is going into the O11

[austere saffron]

(4070)I want an all black build. I have a 850 white one currently but since I’m transferring into O11 I’m getting a black one

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RvNxFT/lian-li-o11-air-mini-atx-mid-tower-case-o11amx

[blazing musk]

The 4070 is more than happy on a 650W

[austere saffron]

oh yes I know

[blazing musk]

Getting it for future upgrades then? That's fine

[austere saffron]

I just have the extra wattage I guess for upgradability

[blazing musk]

In that case get this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qNKKHx/

[austere saffron]

gotcha

[blazing musk]

Uses the same cables and everything

[formal tusk]

Same style case just slightly smaller and a good $30 cheaper or so

O11 mini/mini air

[austere saffron]

what abt the 2023

[formal tusk]

Mini needs an itx psu but still fits everything else, mini air needs a 280 or 240 aio but still fits everything else

[austere saffron]

does it matter which year I get

[blazing musk]

No it doesn't matter

They're both A tier units

[austere saffron]

gotcha

[austere saffron]

I think I want the bulky case tbh

And it’ll be my first time getting a 360 aio

also for the fan hubs. does deepcool have their own hubs and rgb fans

since Im getting their aio

[blazing musk]

Oh actually, you know what this would be a better option on the power supply

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nhC48d/msi-mpg-a850g-pcie5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mpg-a850g-pcie5

Since you're getting the 4070 this has the 12VHPWR native connector, that way you don't need to use the ugly adapter

[austere saffron]

Ahhh

Life safer

I assume the cables are pretty nice? Like braided and all?

I shouldn’t need custom ones?

[blazing musk]

Braided and flat cables

[austere saffron]

alright I think I’m chilling then

as long as there’s no ketchup and mustard i’m happy

[austere saffron]

these are good? to go with the aio I have so they match?

[dense merlin]

Depends on price

[austere saffron]

$45

[dense merlin]

I'm not sure how they compare to these https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ6p99/arctic-p12-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00232a

If you only need three I'd go for those

If you need 5 then the deepcool ones

[cold leaf]

these fans are pretty good iirc https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12C-S-Computer-Included-Quantities）/dp/B0BKKFBR9R

[dense merlin]

For the price they're good

Idk about overall

[formal tusk]

There's good fans the C12C's

Better value than P12's, 15 for 3

But p12's also have daisy chaining vs the rgb on the c12c's, so it's a bit of a tradeoff too

Perf wise they're excellent

[worn trail]

Get LianLi fans if you don't wanna deal with the obnoxious cable clutter once you have more than 6 fans in.

[formal tusk]

Nah, P12's do the same for cheaper

[worn trail]

Daisy chaining 11 fans is a nightmare.

[formal tusk]

Unifans also have horrible performance

[worn trail]

I have P12s.... I hate the daisy chaining clutter.

[worn trail]

Define horrible?

[formal tusk]

I have both P12's and Unifans

[worn trail]

I know they aren't as good but I can't see them being that much worse.

[formal tusk]

They have an annoying hum, AL's also have a total rpm range of like, 40% or higher

No fan stop

Only the 30mm thick ones have reasonable perf

The sl120 v1's are worse than LL's or good 80mm fans

The AL's are ruined by their mid performance for the price

[worn trail]

What about the SL-Infinity fans?

Price aside.

[formal tusk]

I can't do that 😂

[worn trail]

Perf-perf comparison at max speed.

[formal tusk]

They're passable but the price is garbage on infinity fans

[worn trail]

I honestly wouldn't mind paying the premium to be rid of this horrendous cable mess you get with 11 fans.

[formal tusk]

The c12c's here beat all unifans

And for 5$ a fan

[worn trail]

It's a literal nightmare especially when you need to get extensions.

[formal tusk]

For decent rgb at that

[formal tusk]

I know what rgb entails

But also you can spend a lot of your difference in budget in controllers for these C12C's instead

And still be well under 50%, maybe 40% of what you spent on unifans

And be better off anyway

Unifans have a nice concept for convenience but for price they're horrible

Not to mention some radiators need specific orientations on the V1's for the cable connector to fit

Meaning you get to see the cables anyway

[worn trail]

Perf are the SL-Inf fans reasonable as said I don't mind the price for 2 reasons.

1 - Being rid of the cable mess
2 - Wonderful aesthetics

[formal tusk]

Blehh

Phanteks have better infinity alternatives

Or just get pst's and 10 minutes of zip ties

[worn trail]

They do? I am interested in such fans but also perf has anyone made a chart comparing the performance of SL-INF against others?

[formal tusk]

Yes

[worn trail]

Nasty looking though.

[formal tusk]

Pretty sure hardwarecanucks has a chart

It looks fine if you zip tie properly, you can't see anything

As a unifan owner I didn't enjoy them

I lasted about 3 months

[worn trail]

What do you mean by hum btw?

[formal tusk]

The L-connect software also only works half the time

[worn trail]

I run my fans at 65%-100% all day long so I am use to some fan noise with headphones off.

Pretty much non-existent with them on.

[formal tusk]

Imagine a man humming in your right ear constantly

Literally this

[worn trail]

Seriously? Do you have a video cause that might prevent me from buying the SL-Inf.

[formal tusk]

Nope, I haven't used them in ages

When I had them in my case my psu was busy frying my 12900K's and prompting multiple warranties at the time

So I had bigger fish to fry back then

[worn trail]

I see.

[formal tusk]

If I dig back far enough I'd find the pics of my build

Was basically only ever a mass of rainbow puke cos of the faulty psu

Then later I learned how L-connect 2 only runs once every second time you turn on the pc

So you need to manually open it almost every time

I found that more annoying than iCUE and that says a lot considering the hate I give Corsair for anything that isn't a case or psu

On the other hand p12's run pindrop silent even at full tilt, hence I became such a huge simp for them

I also greatly appreciate fan stop even if it's not totally stopped and just slow turning

[worn trail]

I see.

What was the Phanteks Infinity fan you were mentioning.

Is that good?

[formal tusk]

From what I remember yes, they have like, a reverse fan cage model too for aesthetics iirc

They launched with the NV7 case

A very, very good case if you wanna dosh out big bucks

Excellent for water looping

Premium boards look amazing in it cos the cable management covers hide all the cables on the side and top

[worn trail]

0.o not now but I might check that out in the future.

[austere saffron]

but like what fans come on the aio I got

the ls720

[real lava]

Not sure tbh

Gotta look at the fans themselves

[blazing musk]

FC120 fans

You can get a 3 pack for $47.50 or $20 each

They're good fans too

[austere saffron]

Okay

I’m trying to convince my mom to just let me bring my current PC to college bc it’ll save me around $1000 from having to build another

[quiet gust]

This would be sick for a sleeper build

No airflow tho

[quiet gust]

Cl3 ram

[empty juniper]

Ddr

[clear matrix]

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09F5P2JT8

Which one is better?

[blazing musk]

GM7000

S tier stick

[clear matrix]

Perfect for gaming?

[blazing musk]

... overkill for most workstations let alone gaming

[clear matrix]

Western Digital Blue 2 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive

This is what my games is on rn

but i messed up and relizedi should of gotten a ssd

Should i get a heatsink with it or no

[blazing musk]

Only some games need a SSD to run well, mostly open world stuff

Seriously though for gaming a basic C tier drive is plenty, even a SATA drive is fine

[clear matrix]

oo fr?

Do you think i should get that ssd then or a dif/cheaper one? i mainily play fps games lol just got divison 2 though pretty good rn and its on my hdd

[blazing musk]

Yes, S tier is the "extreme workstation" tier. So 8k video editing and massive databases.

[clear matrix]

Alright cool 76$ in total not bad

[blazing musk]

For a 1TB? That's double what a C tier drive costs

[clear matrix]

yea in total 76$ with shipping tax etc

[blazing musk]

If you don't mind burning $25 go for it I guess

But you can get a 2TB for just a little more

[clear matrix]

how much more

[clear matrix]

should i get a different one then>

[blazing musk]

MP33 2TB has been $70 lately

[clear matrix]

oo hmm

[blazing musk]

Any of these would do well https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/VxfFf7,C3xbt6,74yqqs,2vVmP6/

Or if you wanted gen 4 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1

[clear matrix]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bkq9Q6

heres my specs so i think anyone wouild work but wouldnt gen4 be better for me

[blazing musk]

Not really better for anything other than sequential speeds

And that only matters when you need to read something really fast, like when you're scrubbing high res video

Or if you're copying from one SSD to another

[clear matrix]

oo okay

also question i have some games on the same ssd as my windows does that effect performance?

[clear matrix]

So this one i should do over the gm?

[blazing musk]

For gaming yeah

Unless you plan to run a minecraft server with hundreds of mods and dozens of players at once or something

[clear matrix]

nah

xD just the divison and fps games

[blazing musk]

P41 plus is perfect then

It can do more than just gaming but doesn't cost much more than other gaming drives

[clear matrix]

oh ight cool

[clear matrix]

and this?

[blazing musk]

Technically yes it does but not in any noticeable way

[clear matrix]

the p1 is more expensive than the 76$ one

[dense merlin]

I'd say next step up, atleast for 2tb, is xs70 at $108 rn

[clear matrix]

ohh its 2tb

[dense merlin]

but way overkill for gaming

[blazing musk]

Yes I linked 2TB drives lol

That's what I was trying to say, 2TB gaming drives cost as much as 1TB top tier ones

[clear matrix]

So get the p41 or xD

[blazing musk]

Yeah the 2TB P41 is perfect

[dense merlin]

seconded

esp at $75

$5 more than drives that perform similarly for gaming but a good bit worse in sequential speeds

[clear matrix]

huh

[real lava]

We don't talk about piracy here so it's best you ask this elsewhere

[blazing musk]

cough cough copyright infringement cough

[clear matrix]

oop

[trail wedge]

Naughty activities

[red jay]

the samsung 970 evo 1tb costs more then the same ssd 2tb right now on newegg

are samsungs ssds still suffering the bricking problem?

[formal tusk]

Shouldn't be, but also they aren't worth buying anyway

[real lava]

Only for 980 pro was the one suffering from it, they're fixed now though but yeah. They're not gpod value anymore

Pretty much riding the brand name

[red jay]

what is now?

[real lava]

Something like P44 Pro

[formal tusk]

Nah, p41 plus

If you want something great for gen 4 that one does it for so much cheaper than the typical samsungs

Or something super budget like an M450 spatium which works just fine

Depends what you intend to use the drive for

[clear matrix]

so the 941 plus i should get?

[sour wadi]

for the average user yes p41 plus

[clear matrix]

And for a gamer?

i only game on my pc

[sour wadi]

That's the average user

Honestly you could get away with less and possibly not notice but if the budget is there p41 plus is nice

Not that much more usually

[worn trail]

Has anyone run raid 0 on two Gen 5 SSDs?

I am kinda curious how stupidly fast it would be.

[clear matrix]

oh hm like what one then

[sour wadi]

Usually it's mp33/silicon a60 whichever is cheaper

[blazing musk]

They're only $5 cheaper if you're still talking about the 2TB models

I'd say P41 plus is worth $5 more

[clear matrix]

oh ight

[red jay]

Hey guys, I’m helping a friend set up a new computer with windows on it but when we try to boot it’s opening to BIOS, and we have no way of changing the boot config, he is using an MSI click 5 bios and we just freshly installed a windows install on it but now it won’t boot

[real lava]

Try turning secure boot on or off

[red jay]

We turned it off

[real lava]

Does it work?

[red jay]

It does not

It boots into the bios every time

[real lava]

hmm

Try turning it on then

[red jay]

Back into the bios

[real lava]

Then let's try reinstalling windows again

[red jay]

Done, right back into BIOS

[real lava]

Now check the boot order

See if there's anything that says "Windows Boot Manager"

[red jay]

Not there

@real lava

[real lava]

Alright

Try changing drive slots

[red jay]

Elaborate

[red jay]

How

[real lava]

Like moving the drive to another m.2 slot if it's an ssd

If sata drive, try other sata headers

[red jay]

Ok

[red jay]

No difference

[real lava]

So, while you were installing windows. Have you had secure boot on or off?

[red jay]

On

Then we turned it off when it wasn’t working

[red jay]

Then we reinstalled it when it was off

So we tried both

[real lava]

That's pretty odd

Try using same setting as when you were installing

[sour wadi]

T700 finally dropped
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crucial-t700-ssd-review/2

[formal tusk]

Wow a reasonable heatsink

[clear matrix]

i got amaozn prime now so should i still get the samew one

dang

nvm its 100$ now

[clear matrix]

?

[worn trail]

ooof 2TB isn't gonna cut it anymore it seems. I might look into replacing my 1TB game drive with a 2TB or 4TB one later.

[clear matrix]

Dang fr?

[worn trail]

?

[cyan needle]

You have no more slots to put another SSD?

[worn trail]

No. Gonna get a AIC for cheap and buy the SN770 in a week or two.,

[cedar nymph]

HDD master race

[blazing musk]

Hey if you put enough of them in raid they can be almost as fast as a SATA SSD

But at much higher capacity

[cedar nymph]

^

[cedar nymph]

Plus your PC gets to sound like an ion beam charging up when it starts

Literally death star vibes

[worn trail]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B09BJ163KY/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A1YU5GT3B4HWHJ&psc=1

this alright?

[blazing musk]

You'd need a motherboard that supports bifurcation

[worn trail]

Does the B550M DS3H v1.4 support that?

[blazing musk]

Yes actually. You'll need to set it to 4x4 mode in bios. It doesn't say for sure in this case but that is often only on the primary (top) x16 slot.

[worn trail]

So the AIC will work then?

[blazing musk]

Yes

But if it does require you to use the top slot (likely best, so you can get PCIe 4.0 mode) you'll need to put any GPU in a lower slot

[worn trail]

That's the plan.

[blazing musk]

You're good then. It says it's supported in the manual.

[worn trail]

PCIE 3.0x16 is fine even for like a 4090 right?

[blazing musk]

Yeah, although a 4090 is pushing that limit sometimes

[worn trail]

Any issues with moving all my SSDs to the AIC cause currently my SSDs are kinda dangling?

[blazing musk]

Ooh, actually this would be a problem for a GPU

Bottom x16 slot only runs at x4 mode

That would throttle even a 6500 XT

[formal tusk]

AIC are pointless unless you have an absolute need for it

If you were working in the range of terabytes each day an AIC makes sense

Otherwise just get a large reliable HDD for cold storage

The bottom slot would make more sense for a capture card or nic if you really have to

[worn trail]

ooof.

Well this is a problem.

Having a gpu in the top slot covers the other one.

[formal tusk]

Not really

Vertical mount + low profile card gets away with it

And again don't bother with an aic

[blazing musk]

The bottom slot being x4 would also limit each M.2 drive in the AIC to 1 gen 3 lane each

[formal tusk]

That too

It just becomes one big gen 3 m.2

[worn trail]

Hmmmm. Thoughts then? Sata SSD is to slow and I'd prefer to also use my current NVMe drives.

[formal tusk]

Have a 1TB active workspace nvme and then have an 8tb cold storage like a barracuda

The solution for like, 150$ versus nearer 600+

[worn trail]

During a busy day I can go through about about 500GB of data.

[formal tusk]

Then that's perfect

You don't need an AIC

[worn trail]

AIC stands for add in card right?

Making sure I wasn't misusing the term.

[formal tusk]

Mhm

If you were working in the realm of terabytes then you could consider an AIC, but at that point you should be working with way more than a B550M

Like, x570, x670, wrx80*, trx40 etc

B550 is for layman use

[worn trail]

Saving up to do a big upgrade come Blackweel and Ryzen 8000 series.

[formal tusk]

You can still get away with it if you manage your storage well and save hundreds

[worn trail]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/LEVEN-Gen3x4-interno-unidad-embalaje/dp/B0BN5WXP8R/ref=sr_1_2?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3AQ0N5RZ0GEVA&keywords=4TB%2BNVME&qid=1685925841&refinements=p_36%3A-400000&rnid=9754432011&sprefix=4tb%2Bnvme%2Caps%2C107&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.649fe0ca-1cbf-43f1-a365-f15699263f39&th=1

How's this SSD?

[formal tusk]

Iirc it's ok

[worn trail]

About $200 for 4TB, import and shipping included.

[formal tusk]

If it's reminiscent of the JS600 that I read up on a while ago that is

Ya you could use that for a second ssd

Then hdd cold storage

Ez life

Just move everything over to the HDD when done, move it back when you need it

Mp33(34?) 4tb would be useful too

[worn trail]

I already have 2 SSD so I will need to replace one of them.

[formal tusk]

Tho maybe not dramless on this scale of data

[worn trail]

That's why I was looking into AIC.

[formal tusk]

Yes

No just replace

[clear matrix]

P41plus worth it still?

[formal tusk]

Yes

[worn trail]

Is 3D Nand dram?

https://www.leven.com.tw/en/ssd/view/JP600-4TB

Does the MSI370 really have a IOPS of over 300 thousand?

https://www.msi.com/Storage/SPATIUM-M370-NVMe-M.2/Specification

[formal tusk]

Go m450 if you go budget spatium

[worn trail]

I was comparing to the SSD I have as my boot.

My boot is a MSI M370 1TB.

[formal tusk]

Actually m370 is ok

I take it back

[solid hill]

can anyone recommend a dual nvme pcie adapter card with bifurcation

[worn trail]

What is the speed limit of USB A 3.2 Gen 2?

[blazing musk]

That's a loaded question lol

[formal tusk]

Lmfao

[blazing musk]

Is it 3.2 gen 2x2 or 3.2 gen 2x1

[formal tusk]

Isn't there 3 answers

[blazing musk]

Yes 💀

[formal tusk]

It's like, 5, 10 or 20

Gbps

[blazing musk]

Depending on some factors yes

[formal tusk]

Depending on the planets

The weather

[blazing musk]

Normally you only get the 20 Gbps from a USB C and it has to be gen 2x2

[formal tusk]

The score on the 18th hole

[worn trail]

Was curious cause I found a M.2 enclosure to USB A 3.2 gen 2

Forgot if it was 2x2 or 2x1.

[formal tusk]

Probably 10gpbs

[blazing musk]

If it doesn't specify then it's probably gen 2x1 so yes 10Gbps

[formal tusk]

It'll say gen 2x2 if it was specifically

Yeah

[blazing musk]

Oh yea they'd plaster that all over the marketing

[worn trail]

Seemed like a decent way to make copying data over easier + still having an extra terabyte of storage in my system.

[worn trail]

So it can keep up with NVMe SSDs then?

[blazing musk]

You'll need to make sure you put it in the ports that support that speed as well, most are 5Gbps

[worn trail]

Just checked it says 10 Gbps.

[blazing musk]

Yes even at 5Gbps honestly, because you're usually not doing pure deep queue sequential read/write operations

[worn trail]

The only thing would be latency I'd presume?

[blazing musk]

It would be a hair longer and you'd have to worry about the write cache flushing before removing the USB

If you use the proper "eject" option it makes sure that cache is flushed

[worn trail]

Wait hold up. Would this make me able to use the full speed of a SN850X even on a 5700G?

Or close to full speed?

[blazing musk]

Not even close

You'd need a thunderbolt dock for that

[worn trail]

Oh wait yeah nvm.

Forgot NVMe are in bytes.

Not bits.

[blazing musk]

Yep lol

You'd need an 80Gb thunderbolt dock to pull the full theoretical 58Gbps on that drive

[worn trail]

Plan is to get a 2TB SN850X knowing I will be bottlenecked for the moment but in the future I will be able to use it's full speed.

[worn trail]

Gotcha.

I forgot is Thunderbolt still a Intel only thing?

[blazing musk]

Yes*

You can put an add in card with thunderbolt and use a video passthrough cable to get around that

USB 4.0 is here though. It's able to do 80Gbps but nothing has that speed port yet.

[worn trail]

Got it.

Welp good night and see ya tomorrow.

My eyes are burning.

[blazing musk]

g'night

[verbal snow]

So in about a week I should be getting my new gen4 m.2 SSD as for a replacement of my 240gb SSD os drive and was wondering what the safest was to clone the boot drive to the new SSD and boot from new drive

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect

[verbal snow]

Would the free trial work or would I have to dish out money

[blazing musk]

The free trial for the home version works for 30 days, almost no limits beyond that

Which is nice when most software has stupid limits like a max of 400MB

[verbal snow]

Yeah I just want to do a clone of C drive to new SSD and replace it since it is old

[prime notch]

Can a dying boot drive cause pc crashes?

Also, as I have noticed, it only seems to be during gaming sessions (primarily playing d4 and Overwatch rn). Could it be due to heat? Though the pc doesn't seem to get that hot

[prime notch]

also just defragged my drives, my one drive that just so happened to be holding D4 AND OW was 36% fragmented

[sour wadi]

What where your max temps on the cpu and gpu?

[prime notch]

when I was checking, they were both about 50-60

[sour wadi]

Could by the drive but i wouldn't imagine the pc would crash from that

[prime notch]

at max

[sour wadi]

Ah yeah deff not heat

[prime notch]

yeah

like it gets hot on ow

but not d4

but on d4 im still crashing

[sour wadi]

Did you mean game or pc crash?

[prime notch]

pc

[sour wadi]

Odd

[prime notch]

yeh

imma check again after I finish disk defrag

and see if that does anything

cause like I said all my blizzard files are on the disc that was fragmented

I should also note that crashing was occuring even before d4 was played (thought I should note due to earlier d4 issues with gpu's)

[worn trail]

How fast would your storage be if you had 8 SN850X in raid 0 connected via a PCIE 4.0x16 slot?

[blazing musk]

You'd be limited to the speed of the slot

[clear matrix]

@blazing musk my ssd came in the pr41 is there something i should do after installing it and optimziing it like i wanna move all my games onto it from my hdd

sorry for the ping btw

[blazing musk]

Steam makes it easy, you just go into your libraries, make a new one on the drive, and tell it to move your games

Also I just realized my mods are 4x the size of all the collective games installed on the drive. I think I have a problem.

[worn trail]

PCIE 4x16 isn't snough for 8 SN850X?

[blazing musk]

8 drives would require 32 lanes to run full speed

[worn trail]

what about pcie5?

[blazing musk]

The drives themselves only run on 4.0

[formal tusk]

The lanes of the card would slow it down to whatever it could do in 4.0x 4/8/16

So imagine 7/14/28 read speed

Also AIC's are usually native raid 0

[prime notch]

@sour wadi Now, 5 hrs later, I am finally on pass 2 of defragmentation

[prime notch]

Whack, after optimizing it and analyzing the disk again

its still 17% fragmented

[blazing musk]

Must be too full to totally optimize it

[prime notch]

Running it through again to try, cause the drive is only 284gb free of 669gb

[formal tusk]

@prime notch is this an hdd

[prime notch]

Yes

[formal tusk]

Ah ok just checking

Cos you never do this on an ssd

[formal tusk]

💀

[prime notch]

and yeah, it doesnt even give me the option to do it on ssd

manually

[blazing musk]

I'm glad Windows decided to remove the A and B drives from the reserved letter list. They used to be just for floppies. The only reason Windows is still on the C drive is for legacy apps.

[prime notch]

hmm if it did it automatically that's problematic. Is there a way to stop my scheduled optimization for ssds?

cause looking there it seems like it did in fact do it to two of my ssd's

[blazing musk]

Optimizing on the SSDs is just running the TRIM command, not a defrag

[prime notch]

ah

[formal tusk]

Defrag on ssd is the same as death

[prime notch]

what is the difference between the two? defrag is reorganizing and consolidating files, right

?

[formal tusk]

So yeah

[blazing musk]

Put simply yes

And putting files that are broken into pieces back together

[formal tusk]

Yes it's reorganisation of sectors and blocks so the files are, so to speak, in order

So the hdd runs faster and is less jumbled

[prime notch]

what's trim command then?

[formal tusk]

Solid state is by nature already like this

[prime notch]

cause otherwise it has to search for and rewind back to various parts of the data or smthn?

[blazing musk]

TRIM is how a SSD frees up deleted space. When you delete from the recycle bin it flags the space as available, but the bits are still there until the next TRIM.

[formal tusk]

It has to read from all over the disk instead of one part, and in a jumbled order

[prime notch]

ahh I see

well, here's to hoping that my computer stops crashing after I fix this

[formal tusk]

At the speeds a HDD runs at now it doesn't make a significant difference, but wayyyy back this was a genuine way to speed things up

You'd defrag before installing games

[prime notch]

Doesn't hurt to do it tho tbh

I don't think

[formal tusk]

Ofc

[prime notch]

It was like 36-38% fragmented

[formal tusk]

It makes total sense to still do it

[prime notch]

ye

[formal tusk]

But like, it's not gonna be a night and day difference necessarily

[prime notch]

and I figured, might help fix pc crashes if its trying to read disk stuff but failing, because the crashes that I've been experiencing are while playing games whose files are stored on said fragmented disk

[formal tusk]

Dial the clock back 20 years and it was the difference between unusable and absolutely usable in some situations

[prime notch]

ye, I remember that on my family pc

[formal tusk]

Unlikely unless it's an old disk tbh

[blazing musk]

Funny thing, a defrag on the school Windows XP computer helped spark my interest in PCs. It had the semi-animated multi-colored blocks moving around and I was curious what it was doing.

[formal tusk]

Esp if your main drive is an ssd

[prime notch]

Yeah it is, and got it second hand

idk the exact age on it tho

[formal tusk]

I REMEMBER THIS

[prime notch]

@formal tusk any way to find HDD age without ripping pc apart?

[blazing musk]

Crystal disk info

[prime notch]

Also would these be partitions or smthn?

[blazing musk]

Yeah they're system partitions

[prime notch]

Thought so

[blazing musk]

https://crystalmark.info/en/software/crystaldiskinfo/

[prime notch]

LMAO what is that Shizuku and Kurei versions

xD

[blazing musk]

That'll tell you if you have an obviously failing drive too

Different anime themes lol

[prime notch]

ik that

but

just lmao

[blazing musk]

Say what you like but Shizuku is pretty cute

[prime notch]

Hmm says I have to trust the download

how does one trust it

[blazing musk]

What exactly does the message say?

It just downloads automatically when I do it

Could be your browser settings

[prime notch]

It says "CrystalDiskInfo9_0_1a.zip isn't commonly downloaded. Make sure you trust CrystalDiskInfo9_0_1a.zip before you open it"

imma try it on firefox

cause I mainly use edge

[blazing musk]

Lol wat
I guess not common to edge users but this has been my go to program for YEARS

It was the only one I tried that was able to read the SMART info through a USB adapter

[prime notch]

Haha

I love edge, hate how chrome and opera look and feel tbh

I don't mind ff tho

[blazing musk]

Even though edge is chromium based now

[prime notch]

well its downloading on ff

whack

Yeh

fck chrome

tho

xD

Ok so now its downloaded

do I extract to a storage folder for it

?

The files inside look like this

[blazing musk]

Yes extract it, and run diskinfo64

You'll immediately get a chime if one of the drives is failing too

[prime notch]

just 64 right, not a64?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[prime notch]

@ fal this is what I see now

[blazing musk]

That 750GB is quite well used

[prime notch]

check the ssd

[blazing musk]

40k hours of run time

Ye the SSD is still at 87% health too, gotta love those things

[prime notch]

yuppers

Is there any Attribute names that I should be looking for that may indicate issues related to my crashing?

[blazing musk]

The ones worth noting that the drive keeps track of appear to be good. You'd be able to tell at a glance if there was an issue that the SMART data could tell you, the blue would be yellow or red.

[prime notch]

Because yeah, the C: drive is where I boot off of

[blazing musk]

Only 1 read error on the 750GB in its life, well within tolerance. No reallocated sectors. It appears healthy as far as software can tell.

This can't tell you about hardware issues though

[prime notch]

What does it mean when the read error rate says current - 99, worst - 46, and threshold - 16?

[blazing musk]

Oh there are a few UDMA CRC errors on the C drive, that's often a loose/bad cable or bad port

[prime notch]

on my A and D drive there is also a UltraDMA CRC error count

or is that showing that there is none?

[blazing musk]

That one has zero

I look at the raw values personally, it's in hex

[prime notch]

Ahh

I see

[prime notch]

So if the pc is crashing, it may be because of a bad or loose port

since C: drive is my boot drive?

[blazing musk]

Yes that could be the cause

[prime notch]

F

Just ordered new stuff for pc last night

already shipped too

[blazing musk]

It could be as simple as unplugging the drive and plugging it back in on both ends

[prime notch]

yeah I'll give that a shot

[blazing musk]

Maybe blow out the connector so it's not dusty

[prime notch]

I even got compressed air for it B)

just cable end of connector

or both

[blazing musk]

Both

[prime notch]

like the old game cartridges

[blazing musk]

Yep just like a N64 lol

[prime notch]

that is the most trash poggers I've ever seen

[prime notch]

I always remember doing it to my gameboy color

ahh good times

[blazing musk]

[prime notch]

this is me rn - trying to find jobs and game, can't get a job and can't game

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-fire-house-burning-okay-gif-5263684

[prime notch]

At some point i'll probably @ you and ask for help in transferring all my files on old disks to new ones, but rn cba. But at some point I want to get the partitions on my A: and D: drive combined, and clean out my local disk C: a bit

but that battle is for another day

[prime notch]

yup, I relate to this

my friends and I used this on one of our old discord's as a channel image

When I get around to doing what I mentioned above, should I just @ you in this channel, or another (if that's ok)? @blazing musk

also, just checked, that crucial ssd has been going for 1859 days

[blazing musk]

Sure. I might not respond right away but you can, and someone else might help before me

[prime notch]

tyvm!

[prime notch]

5 years... yikes

As in the 750gb hdd, what does it indicate when it says buffer size in the top right?

says the same thing for my E drive, my M.2 (different value)

[blazing musk]

The drive is able to hold onto a small amount of data in a high speed cache, which can help with random small writes

This would be in addition to any additional cache like if the SSD has a DRAM cache of 256MB or something

[prime notch]

Ahh ic

its just so whack that I only crash when gaming

wonder if its when my case or gpu fans/aio pump go faster that something jiggles loose

if it is a loose cable thing

[blazing musk]

What kind of a crash is it? Full system immediate reboot? Hard lockup? Blue screen?

[prime notch]

full system immediate reboot

sometimes kicks me into BIOS

sometimes restarts normally

only happens when gaming

iirc

don't remember it happening during normal use

[blazing musk]

That could be the cable then, yeah it's possible the vibration from the fans/pump aggravates it

[prime notch]

Might just deal with it till the 15th tbh

not worth tearing stuff apart for now

just can't play d4

getting my new case and fans soon tho

[blazing musk]

Consider yourself lucky, I've heard it's a bug fest

[prime notch]

lol it is. I heard about gpu bricking issues back in beta and stopped before getting to that point so I didn't brick. I've played New World before finding out it was bricking stuff. In D4 my only issues so far is dc due to bad internet once, game crash due to overloaded servers like 6-8 times, pc crash like 4-5 times

And hopefully 2 of my issues of temps and internet wil be fixed soon

my town is working together with Telus to implement PureFiber throughout the community

and with a new FULL TOWER I'll have no air flow issues compared with my current setup

[prime notch]

okie dokie, lets go play d4 again and see if my pc crashes

then if it does I address thru the SATA drive itself

[prime notch]

Hmm, just changed cables between a few of my storages, so we'll see what happens

[clear matrix]

Is there anything I should do before adding my new SSD into my pc

[blazing musk]

Yes, follow the ritual outlined on page 372 of your Necronomicon. It's a good luck ritual and won't bring about the end of days, I promise.

[clear matrix]

Huh

[blazing musk]

No. The answer is no you don't need to do anything, just put the drive in.

Once it's in you can check if it's shown in bios or skip that step and go straight to windows, where you'll open disk management, set it up as GPT scheme, and create a simple volume on the drive using the default settings.

[prime notch]

Whacky

Yeah think its issue with my SATA drive @blazing musk, doesnt show up here but I can still boot

[blazing musk]

It's possible that the controller itself is going out on the drive

Which is not something that the smart data would be able to tell and you'd get weird dropout issues like you have

[prime notch]

Dropout issues?

[blazing musk]

It'll be there and then it won't, a dropout

Since it's your OS drive when it drops out it just insta crashes

[prime notch]

Oh also while youre here, should I be running firmware or discrete tpm for windows 11?

Ahhh

[blazing musk]

Doesn't matter

[prime notch]

Indicating the need for a new drive?

[prime notch]

yeah.... yikes

[steady talon]

So the GM7000s came in but I notice there’s a piece of foam on the dies. If it’s going under my mobo’s heatsink do I just take the foam off?

[clear matrix]

Ight cool do you think I should copy the games over or just reinstall them on the drive

[blazing musk]

You can move them with steam like I showed before. Other games and launchers usually need to be reinstalled.

[prime notch]

Hmm idk. Is it worth getting another hdd to replace my old one, and a sata ssd for my failing ssd, or should I just buy 2 ssd’s?

I just dont know which is more worth cause cost per gb is different

[blazing musk]

Or buy a 2TB SSD for $70

Like this one https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CDM2HSS

[prime notch]

Where u get those? Im looking online and its like $200

Don’t have another m.2 port. I dont remember the reasoning but iirc only one is active on my mobo

Have an prime b560m-a with a i9-10900f cpu

[blazing musk]

It's probably because you have a 10th gen CPU on the B560

This one then https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mCjNnQ/pny-cs900-2-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ssd7cs900-2tb-rb

[worn trail]

1tb SN770 is currently $50 a pop.

[blazing musk]

Ok? That's not really a good deal

[worn trail]

Isn't the msrp like $80?

[blazing musk]

MSRP on SSDs is absolutely useless right now

[prime notch]

Also im in canada so its a bit different xd

But yeah still not bad

[blazing musk]

Ah hang on I'll grab one from CA

[prime notch]

The ssd u sent is only 100

[blazing musk]

Yep that's the cheapest one right now https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08GB8S6R3

[prime notch]

Is even just sticking with another crucial drive ok, or are they kinda POS?

[blazing musk]

They have some good and some bad models, just like every brand. There's no benefit to sticking to one brand.

[prime notch]

Is something like this decent too? https://www.amazon.ca/Timetec-Performance-Internal-Computer-Desktop/dp/B09QRQJTPN/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?crid=A0COYQ1IZWKL&keywords=sata+ssd+2tb&qid=1686184414&sprefix=sata+ssd+2t%2Caps%2C368&sr=8-5&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.c1b088f5-04b2-4ab6-9d7a-b4ccd9a2b544

[blazing musk]

For example, the Crucial BX500 is basically trash but the MX500 is decent

Seems like that drive is ok but I don't see any official reviews. At least most of the consumer reviews are what I'd expect.

[prime notch]

Also, do you have a brand you’d recommend for sata cables themselves?

[blazing musk]

I just use whatever I have on hand for cables.

[prime notch]

was looking at the brand itself, apparently it used to be part of toshiba

[blazing musk]

Motherboards still come with them so I've got a bunch stockpiled lol

[prime notch]

Ah

Shoot, gunna try replacing mine so I don’t have a mix of new and old when im using new ssds

Based on how many of these have been bought with review imma try these https://www.amazon.ca/Sabrent-Right-Angle-Locking-drives/dp/B08FTLXV64/ref=sxin_21_pa_sp_phone_search_thematic_sspa?content-id=amzn1.sym.7715e6a2-d9e1-4130-b632-f0ec9171cfa5%3Aamzn1.sym.7715e6a2-d9e1-4130-b632-f0ec9171cfa5&crid=3NE47BEZ3SLIG&cv_ct_cx=sata%2Bcables&keywords=sata%2Bcables&pd_rd_i=B08FTLXV64&pd_rd_r=71405b8c-ed3d-4b81-84ac-a7233be891e3&pd_rd_w=vbjcF&pd_rd_wg=FjFTx&pf_rd_p=7715e6a2-d9e1-4130-b632-f0ec9171cfa5&pf_rd_r=ME00BK4MWQQHY5Z2EJYP&qid=1686184945&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=sata%2Bcable%2Caps%2C425&sr=1-16-1cd13166-e9fe-46a7-89b4-109ca0ed00af-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExWVBQN0NDMVgwRUE5JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMzU2NTE0M1ZESEpKS1dQTU9STSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzU4ODE1MU0zQ05aQlJQQzE2QiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

[blazing musk]

Those are awfully expensive though

You can find cables for about a buck each

[prime notch]

Where?

[prime notch]

Is it ok to have multiple storage devices running off of one power cable?

Both cables I have connected to my psu rn are in separate sata and peripherals slots and want to clean it up if I can

[blazing musk]

Yes, sata drives use very little power

Especially SSDs

[prime notch]

The other is a hdd tho

That ok?

[blazing musk]

That's fine

You can push something like 75W safely through that and a HDD uses maybe 15W at worst

[prime notch]

Dusty af lol

[blazing musk]

11W at full tilt on that drive

[prime notch]

Whatta damn mess

[worn trail]

how much power does a pcie 5.0x4 nvme ssd draw?

[prime notch]

This considered too loose? @blazing musk

[blazing musk]

That's pretty normal

[prime notch]

Hmm

Wonder if this might be part of the issue

[blazing musk]

This one uses 12W https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/gigabyte-aorus-10000-gen5-ssd

[worn trail]

WHY THE HEATSINK THEN?!!!

I thought they drawed like 50 watts or something

[blazing musk]

It's overkill, as it always has been

[formal tusk]

They always do that

[prime notch]

Is it normal that I get lines blinking across the asus loading screen when booting, or is that a sign of not good thangs

Blinking aint the right word

But they flash more or less? Just super small ones

Then when I load in fully to my desktop its not there so dont think its gpu?

[blazing musk]

It's probably fine

[prime notch]

Its only accross the little loading circle

well, we'll see what happens

I've unplugged and sorted my system a bit

so now wait and see what happens

[clear matrix]

Does the lavel come off of the ssd or do i leave it on

[worn trail]

If it's a NVMe then it stays on as that's a heat spreader.

[clear matrix]

nah it isnt nvme p41

[worn trail]

There's a p41 SSD that's not in a m.2 form factor?

[clear matrix]

So

oh nvm it is a nvme

but isnt that just a sticker? xD

[sour wadi]

leave it on

[sour wadi]

^

[clear matrix]

oh okay so leave that on

bet ty

time to shut off pc and insert this bby

also sometihngs weird amazon sent me a email and they refunded me my money that i used to buy the ssd with lol

[sour wadi]

sweet

[clear matrix]

Kinda makes me like idk what if theres a recall on the ssd or like it isnt workgin right

[worn trail]

okay I got a strange question.

How many sata SSDs would need to be run in raid 0 to compete with a good gen 4 NVMe SSD like a SN850X?

[blazing musk]

If you're referring to raw, theoretical, sequential read bandwidth then 14. SN850X is rated 7300 MBps and a good sata drive is 550MBps. 7300/550=13.27 which should be rounded up. This doesn't account for overhead doing RAID either, and with that many drives you'll really want to do RAID 10 in case one fails so you'd need 28 drives.

[clear matrix]

Hey fal does it matter which ssd slot i put it in?

bc i have 2 more slots

[blazing musk]

It might, you were doing a gen 4 drive right?

[clear matrix]

the p41

mobo is PRO Z690- A DDR4

[blazing musk]

Right gen 4, so which slots do you have open

[clear matrix]

all of them beusdes the top one which is the one with my heatsink

[blazing musk]

M2_1, M2_2, and M2_4 are gen 4 slots
M2_3 is gen 3

[clear matrix]

oh okay i can use the 2nd

[blazing musk]

Yep the one under the GPU will be gen 4, and you'll get airflow over the drive too from the GPU

[clear matrix]

Im not sure about the airflow, bc ites right behind it the fans are facing down

[clear matrix]

and to amke sure this label does stay on

[blazing musk]

Yes

The label isn't just a sticker, there's metal in it to spread heat

[clear matrix]

ohh

wait..

i might of taken it off on my first ssd thats with the heat sink

gonna double check that

question should i do rn or in the morning? my pcs been on all day not sure if temperature effects anything like static wise or the ssd itself

[blazing musk]

No temps don't matter at all

As long as the pc is off when you install it lol

[clear matrix]

ight cool ty, only thing is taking oiff the gpu is srota tough bc the clip broke so it doesnt make a noise when it gets hooked in

[worn trail]

How does a SATA SSD compare to a NVMe for shooter and open world games?

Considering getting a big SATA SSD to store all my game files on

[formal tusk]

Not much difference at all

[worn trail]

What would the difference be?

Cause I can get a 8tb Seagate Barracuda SATA SSD for a little over $100.

[blazing musk]

That sounds more like HDD prices

[formal tusk]

Yeah I'd be sus as to how much of that is ssd exactly lol

[worn trail]

My bad, yeah those were HDDs.

Misread.

[clear matrix]

Fal i might put it in m4 bc its less of a hackle then removing my gpu and putting it in m2

[blazing musk]

That's fine, it's still a gen 4 slot

[clear matrix]

Or should I put it behind the gpu for the air flow

The one to the right is m4?

Oh they might all be gen4

[clear matrix]

Oh okay I’m good then

Can’t be that screw way to freakin tiny

Good?

[sour wadi]

Looks fine

[clear matrix]

bet ssd is in now should i check to see if its registering?

[sour wadi]

You'll have to format it in disk manager

Assuming you already have an OS

[clear matrix]

its a new sdrive

nvm gotem

ez

done got it

So now im ghonna move all my games over and remove this hdd

Realized my other d drive it says 0 % formatted

[clear matrix]

Is there a way i can transfer everythig on my d drive to my e drive

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect could do it

[clear matrix]

Whats that?

[blazing musk]

Disk cloning software. Tell it what drive to copy and where to copy to.
Once that's done, change the assigned drive letters so your old D drive is now E, and the old E drive is now D. That way program (and game) installs don't break.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree#

[clear matrix]

oo k

[clear matrix]

OPnce i move everything am i good to just delete it and remove the d drive from my pc since i dont plan on using it

[blazing musk]

Yes

[clear matrix]

is there a way to move epic games launcher? or no i cant find a way so ig there isnt

[blazing musk]

Epic is a bit of a pain. You have to copy the files elsewhere, delete the game, tell it to install the game in a new location, stop the download, and copy the files to the new location and tell it to verify the data.

[clear matrix]

jeeez xD

[blazing musk]

That's when you ask yourself... is it worth it? lol

[clear matrix]

But if i use Macrium wont i still have to do that or no

[blazing musk]

If it's already installed on the D drive then no

[clear matrix]

Is it safe like legit?

or sohuld i just redownload everything on my e drive i got really good internet

[blazing musk]

The program? Or the procedure in general?

Either way yes it's safe

[clear matrix]

the Procedure

[clear matrix]

Since i@ deleting it after I won’t have to rename my Ssds right? Or

[deep bear]

i bought the Predator GM3500 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) on the 9th is it worth replacing my kingston 128GB SSD card in my acer nitro 5 with the Predator GM3500 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

[sharp eagle]

Hi, I'm wondering if I can get some advice / help on upgrading my MSI gaming desktop SSD drive. I have an MSI Aegis 3 Plus intel-core i7 that lists:
2 x M.2 SSD (1x Auto Switch, 1x Intel Optane support)
1 x 2.5" HDD
2 x 3.5" HDD

My SSD is the boot drive and it's 256GB. I'd like to upgrade it to 2TB.
The HDD is 1 TB. If possible, I want to replace it with an SDD 1 TB.

I'm confused over M.2 SSD sizes, however, and what works for my motherboard. MSI search on the model lists HDD requirements in recommend. Crucial also recommended several SSDs.

[blazing musk]

2TB M.2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZQ97H3W
1TB 2.5" SATA https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QJ2BXN8
You might prefer a 2TB SATA though, since it's only a little more https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08GB8S6R3

[sharp eagle]

Thanks. So, any of these will work on an M2 2280 form factor? I'm very confused over Nvme vs SATA.

Crucial recommended this: https://www.crucial.com/ssd/p3/ct2000p3ssd8

[blazing musk]

Yep any NVMe M.2 2280 drive will work. The one I picked is better than the one crucial picked.

[sharp eagle]

Yeah, and cheaper. I really appreciate it! I need to upgrade the SSD for Starfield; I'm barely getting by on min recommended gtx 1070ti but the desktop won't take anythin more than a 1080. And there's no may I have enough storage for the game as stated. My desktop is older, but thus far, at 1080, it can handle upgraded Witcher 3 and CB2077 fine. But with an HDD and a low storage SDD... might as well upgrade those first.

[blazing musk]

A good SSD can be better for loading open world games but it wouldn't affect fps

At least it's a cheap upgrade

[sharp eagle]

Right. I might luck out, and it's a cheap upgrade. I think the game specs are atrocious, but I've been relying on the built-in specs since I bought the desktop on sale and the SSD is almost out of space with only Windows on it. I have all my games on the HDD and need to upgrade that, too. Can I fit the same SDD in place of the HDD, as in get two and swap out?

[echo scroll]

whats the best price to performance 2tb Nvme Pcie gen 4.0 i can get right now.

[blazing musk]

https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

[verbal snow]

So macrium reflect did work but it also made it a little funny to work with since it wouldnt let me extend the partition to the rest of SSD so I used mini tool partition to steal the extra 700gb for my windows drive and that works perfectly as a 1tb gen4 ssd

[glass anvil]

hi 😊 looking to upgrade my storage… i have an i5-12400f and a 1tb m.2 ssd (teamgroup mp33)

The budget is around ~$100 and would like recommendations for a fast m.2 ssd (at least 1tb)

[formal tusk]

Depends what you're using it for

[blazing musk]

Generally recommended for gamers. There's no point spending more unless you do a lot of video editing or 3D modeling, things like that.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VxfFf7/silicon-power-a60-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp002tbp34a60m28

[dense merlin]

A60 2tb if you're gaming, p41 plus if workstation loads that benefit from fast storage but you don't need top of the line, xs70 if you do

[brisk dome]

Family members laptop is 'running slow', looking in task manager shows constant 100% disk usage (HDD) but under 10 mbps total. Says that it has gotten worse recently (past few months, owned laptop for 6+ years)
As far as I can tell the drive is dying, any other possible explanation?

Running a defrag but doubt it'll help as it says it's already set to defrag once a week

[dense merlin]

That definitely sounds like bad drive

I'd run av scan, chkdsk, and sfc/scannow

[brisk dome]

Did a sfc scannow last week and it seemed fine, I'll give the others a go

Oh also did a Malwarebytes scan

But I'll do chkdsk

[open gazelle]

See what process is using HDD. MBPS doesn't really tell much.

[brisk dome]

mostly system or browser.(nothing being downloaded nor installed)

100% usage on the disk but only 5-10mbps just seemed wrong

defrag is currently on it's 7th pass

[open gazelle]

Constant small operations can give low bandwidth usage with high disk activity.

[brisk dome]

ok.

I also noticed that Firefox was using a lot of ram, like 3gb out of 8, and closing it took a long time, I assume because it was trying to move data from ram to hdd

I guess i could also try and download something n see if the hdd is bottlenecking the download

[open gazelle]

I've never had to troubleshoot drive stuff so idk good procedures for this. All I know is that this isn't enough info to know if its a bad drive. Only test I know can help is testing with new OS (make a new small partition on drive, use USB bootable), but its a bit overkill.

You'd want to do drive tests for drive failure. CrystalDiskInfo is good for getting basic SMART info.

[blazing musk]

8GB of RAM? What version of Windows? I'd either add more memory or debloat windows. Even a debloat is only a temp fix though.

[brisk dome]

win10

but the 3gb used just didn't seem right

that was like 10 tabs, max

unless firefox is a ram hog; I use Brave and it's currently sitting at 1.8gb with 20+tabs

(some are compressed/cashed elsewhere i imagine but it seems like the laptop with Firefox was having issues doing that or smthn)

[blazing musk]

Firefox is a RAM hog yes. Not as bad as Chrome though.

[neat crescent]

Guys what kind of screw do I need for the b550 gaming x v2?

I just got my samsung 980 pro and a screw is missing

[cloud kiln]

M2x3mm

[dense merlin]

It's normally a tiny silver screw, the top of it is thin and flat

[brisk dome]

These normal-ish for an HDD?

[blazing musk]

Pretty normal yeah

[brisk dome]

Thanks

Laptops performance seems a bit better after defrag and chkdsk

Still not amazing but I'm just used to ssds I guess

[blazing musk]

Probably that yeah

That extra couple seconds it takes to respond hurt sometimes

My WD Blue for comparison. It's CDM 8 so test 3 isn't comparable to your CDM 7.

So yeah your drive is pretty normal for a laptop especially.

[brisk dome]

Yeah it's a 2.5in 5400rpm

[blazing musk]

That explains why my read is a little better, I have 7200 rpm

But then again WD has been caught lying about RPM before

[quiet gust]

Where can I find the official drivers (win10) for LSI SAS controllers such as 9207 and 9208 8i?

I can't really find them online or maybe I'm just blind

[blazing musk]

https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=nppvk

[quiet gust]

Why does it say html download?

[blazing musk]

It says it's for server 2012 nothing should be stopping it from working on 10

[blazing musk]

Because that page is apparently just a redirect

[quiet gust]

Ok, that's why it said incompatible for win10 products

But yeah most of the time you can download drivers from much older os, I often used win 8 drivers for other pcie cards or devices

[blazing musk]

Try installing in compatibility mode and disabling driver signature enforcement if you have issues

It redirects here btw https://www.broadcom.com/support/oem/dell

[quiet gust]

I haven't bought it yet since I'm still looking for which one to get because of both prices and shipping times
I'll let you know when I get it and set it up

But I'm sure I'll get the 9207

I also have to decide if I should get a genuine LSI card or an inspur (which is also a "popular" Chinese version of that card)

But I feel like the LSI would be better so I'm sure the drivers work fine

Right now I have found a bunch on eBay but I don't know which one to get, mainly for a few reasons like: speed (sas2 and sas3), I'll be running 2-3ssds and 1-2hdds, driver compatibility with windows 10, driver availability,.. etc.
The cards are: 9207, 9208, 9210, 9211, 9217, 9240 (all 8i btw) I'll be using jbod, no raid at all, so which one would you recommend if they all were the same price? 9207 8i is the most widely known one apparently

[blazing musk]

If you don't need raid support that simplifies your requirements. You don't need the extra RAM cache and things like that.

[quiet gust]

That would remove the 9240 from the list

But still have four and they're either 100% LSI or Inspur. Which one of the two brands do I get?

So I can see what I'm left with

LSI ones are slightly more expensive about 10€ more but also don't include SATA breakout cables (don't really need them but they would be a bit useful)

And what about unraid, do I even need that for anything? The pc will work as a Nas and already has win10 configured. What could be the advantages?

[blazing musk]

Idk, the included cables would be nice to have so I'd probably go for that.

As long as it works, meets your requirements, and is fast enough for you, it doesn't much matter which you get.

You don't explicitly need unRAID but it could be nice to have. Maybe run ZFS off it for nice, reliable storage.

[quiet gust]

Then I'll probably go for a LSI one with breakout cables. It's likely a wiser choice. Last time I got the HPe p410 and didn't work, probably was designed to run on hp servers and not consumer pcs. LSI works since many people use that, better not risk getting incompatible hardware

[blazing musk]

At least one person says it'll work on 10

[quiet gust]

Yep, I saw that post I also saw other videos of people using the 9207 and similar cards on normal computers, not in windows but with Linux or other similar os

Why didn't I find this before uhh.

The 9207 looks like to be the most recent one, released in late 2013

[blazing musk]

Well that's handy

[quiet gust]

These are the ones I found on eBay

The one in row 18 is probably the one I should get

Actually the breakout cable is just 5 bucks new... Could also get one without any and buy them later to save 5 or more bucks...

[blazing musk]

The 9240 on row 5 wouldn't be a bad option too

It has jbod mode

[quiet gust]

What about the drivers?

[blazing musk]

I'll double check

[quiet gust]

None of them is actually a bad option if you consider only LSI ones, maybe the ones around the €45 range are a bit expensive.

[blazing musk]

If the 9240 is in IT mode and not raid mode then it doesn't need more than the standard HBA driver included with windows.

If it's in raid mode, it takes a flashing to change that

[quiet gust]

All the cards are it mode flashed
I especially didn't add non-it (or ir) cards to the list because I felt like it'd have been a big pain to flash and not brick the card

So the 9240 is also IT

I think it says 9211 because it's flashed with the same firmware

Checked online and there are drivers for win10

[quiet gust]

would it still be a valid choice to get the 9240 if flashed as a 9211?

[worn trail]

Are there 8tb NVMe ssds?

[real lava]

ye but they're super expensive

[worn trail]

Like which ones?

[real lava]

https://www.amazon.com/SABRENT-Internal-Extreme-Performance-SB-RKT4P-8TB/dp/B09WZK8YMY

This

For a cool $999.99

[worn trail]

WTF?!

.....

For that price you can buy 3x 4tb SN850X + a cheap AIC....

[real lava]

all 9's

[worn trail]

9s?

Oh the price.

[real lava]

999.99 price tag lol

yep

it's not even worth to consider

over running multiple 4tb drives

[worn trail]

for videos editing, recording, etc, I am gonna look into a 4tb SN850X.

[quiet gust]

@blazing musk u alive?

[blazing musk]

No

Physically yes but not living

[blazing musk]

But to answer that question I don't see a problem with that

[quiet gust]

Oke oke
Thank you

Bdai role for two days lessgo

[manic dagger]

I have two Inland TD510 pcie 5.0 NVME drives. 10000 MB/s read and 9500 MB/s write. Would it be beneficial to configure them in raid 0 confined to a pcie5 x4 slot. Bandwidth of pcie5 x4 is 16 GB/s so it should benefit right? This would be on an adaptor card connected to a 5.0 x16 slot running in x4

ive seen online that for gen4 raid0 can have a small increase to a large increase depending on whats being done

[unborn kayak]

Sry, is there any subgroup here that would recommend me a build for 2500?:D