storage-devices

[wind tide]

my hdd failed :)))

so ye

[cloud kiln]

What will the additional storage be used for? Games? Just general file storage?

[wind tide]

a lot of games

and yeah general too

but mostly games

[cloud kiln]

How much does loading times matter to you in games

[wind tide]

idc tbh

i just want to play the game lmao

[cloud kiln]

Then I would recommend a large hdd, like, 8tb
Make sure it is a CMR drive though

[wind tide]

cmr?

[cloud kiln]

Conventional magnetic ring.... or something like that

It is the method of how data is stored

[wind tide]

oh

[cloud kiln]

Smr can hold more data but writes much slower

[wind tide]

oh

well i mean i dont need 8tb of stroage

probably like 3-4

[cloud kiln]

Ah cmr was conventional magnetic recording

[wind tide]

lmao

[cloud kiln]

Close enough lmao

[wind tide]

i mean i had no idea to begin with

alr anyway tysm for the help

[cloud kiln]

Np

If you get western digital drives, get either wd black or wd blue

For Seagate, get barracuda, or firecuda

For toshiba, get x300

[wind tide]

alr ty

[wind tide]

https://www.amazon.com.au/Western-Digital-WD2003FZEX-7200RPM-Hi-Res/dp/B00FJRS628/ref=sr_1_1?crid=37ZC1RA78CEE2&keywords=3+TB+WD+Black+WD3003FZEX-00Z4SA0&qid=1665239346&sprefix=3+tb+wd+black+wd3003fzex-00z4sa0%2Caps%2C224&sr=8-1

this is what im going for

what do u think?

[real lava]

that's good

but expensive for 2tb

[wind tide]

yeah

also it is au prices

[real lava]

you can try finding wd blue

or seagate barracuda

[wind tide]

yeah i have found a 2tb wd blue hdd for $80 but im not sure if its cmr or not

ill try to fing a seagate one

[real lava]

it doesn't matter if it's smr or cmr for storing stuff

[wind tide]

yeah but i also want to play games on it

and smr is quite slow

compared to cmr

[real lava]

even in games it's fine

[wind tide]

really

huh

[real lava]

yeah

[wind tide]

alr

[real lava]

hdds can't get very fast anyway

[wind tide]

yeah ig so

alr ty

[wind tide]

alr i think this is what im gonna get
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B08VH8R94B/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ANEGB3WVEVKZB&psc=1

[small carbon]

Glance at a 4TB though, might not be much more.

[wind tide]

Alr

I’ve found this one https://www.amazon.com.au/Western-Digital-WD40EZAZ-5400RPM-Internal/dp/B087QTVCHH/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=VJYLNK3MSHWQ&keywords=Western+Digital+4TB+WD+Blue&qid=1665271078&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjA1IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=western+digital+4tb+wd+blue%2Caps%2C268&sr=8-2

I think I’ll just stick with the 2tb since I don’t think I’ll fill it up anytime soon

Eh I’ll keep this in mind

Ty

[small carbon]

True. I have a barely filled 6TB WD black mostly because it was a great sale. I have 3TB of ssd space, barely used 1/2 so far.

[wind tide]

Lmao

Yeah

[sturdy idol]

top three 512gb nvme SSDs under $100(tax included?) I am looking for at least 512gb with the best performance for video editing/windows boot for under $100. Do you have any recommendations?

[blazing musk]

1TB https://pcpartpicker.com/user/forgetStyx/saved/#view=M2qcHx

That's from the pinned tier list https://github.com/windshields/stoRAGE-consumer-SSD-buying-guide/blob/main/SSD tier list.md

That S70 is a top tier 4.0 drive for $100, great deal

[fringe mesa]

I'm copying my 600+gb steam library from NVME0, to NVME1, as I'd rather not waste backup space, grabbing my steam library each time, and noticed, unlike when copying over the Ethernet, where you can see up to 3gbs a second transfer rate, copying from NVME 0 to 1, is slow going, like copying to or from a spindle drive. Any clue as to why the rate would be this slow? They are Kingston Fury, rated 7300mbps read, 7100mbps write.

Wonder if these Z690 mothetherboards are capable of running MSDos.

Been so long, forgot the maximum. Have an old system I used in past to make them, then transfered the drive and just selected it. Should see the chaos it does to a Windows system today, should you try installing it to even a 1tb drive. Made that mistake years ago, took me days to find the right utilities just to fix the drive so it could be picked up as the correct drive again.

Anyways, seems Windows 11 must be using older code from past versions, that just can't keep up. According to what it's showing, transfer rate is 22mbps average, says will be done in a day, yet copying is almost complete.

Wasn't thinking when I copied it off the spindle last night. That took 8 hours to do. Then realized, that's going to slow down the boot process, so moved it to my second NVME.

[kind sierra]

A big write like that you're going to seeing the native read/write speeds that the nand on the SSD supports, which will be much lower than the maximum rated speed

[minor sun]

For the fury, it means dropping to about 1000mb/s after about 60gb

[kind sierra]

So 22mb/s is still a bit low

[open gazelle]

Depends if lots of small files or few big files

[minor sun]

yea

[kind sierra]

That's true

[minor sun]

with some games lots of small files can be messy

[kind sierra]

So native TLC write times combined with small files. It still seems like it would be a bit higher than 22Mb/s, maybe it's 22MB/s?

[minor sun]

possibly, but even 176mb/s seems low

[quiet gust]

Should I buy a 1TB BX 500 for 60€ (Amazon prime discount)?
I'll need a SSD for my new smol build and I was wondering if this one is acceptable... Or should I wait for something else to pop out?

[south vector]

Watch out on some of those Amazon shipping of hard drives. I just got my WD drive yesterday, and it wasn't packed in a box just shipped like you bought it off the shelf in the manufacture's box.

[real lava]

That's fine tbh

The box does have stuff to protect em from knocking around inside

[blazing musk]

SSDs especially will be fine, they're really shock/drop resistant

You have to hit it hard enough to snap it in half basically

[blazing musk]

BX500 is not very good but acceptable for applications that you don't need more than slightly above HDD levels of speed. MX500 is the good SATA drive.

[quiet gust]

Well, I can't go m.2 since the motherboard I'm using doesn't have one and I'm going to use it for games + CAD/3D stuff

Thanks, unfortunately here prices and discounts are always a bit higher and I don't want to spend 100€ on SATA SSDs

[cyan needle]

Or tear it apart with @dawn sand's teeth.

[signal rivet]

If I have a 2 TB SSD do you think I still need a HD? I know it depends on how many games and all that I have but I am new to pc so I don’t know how quickly that will fill up.

[blazing musk]

You're probably fine unless you're in need of mass storage for things like movies and photos

[signal rivet]

Nope exclusively for gaming

[blazing musk]

Then unless you're installing every CoD game or other huge AAA titles 2TB should hold about 100 games

Probably a lot more

[small carbon]

For example I currently use about 1.5TB, maybe 40ish installed games of various age. Would have to double check.

[foggy cliff]

What a good ssd storage because I have a 500gb m.2 but I don’t have much storage left but I also have a 1tb hard drive but it takes a while for my big games to load In that

[minor sun]

What's your budget and do you have another m.2 slot

[foggy cliff]

I only have 1 m.2 slot and I don’t really have one Im just looking for a cheap one

[minor sun]

How cheap is cheap lol

100$?

50$?

[small carbon]

Mx500 is $43/500GB, $75/TB. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/h3tQzy/ There's obviously cheaper options but still worth a mention. -- just for storage they can probably be fine w/ a variety of other models though.

[blazing musk]

One man's cheap is another's luxury

[sour wadi]

7$ take it or leave it

[worn trail]

Seriously?

All it took for me we're like 5 games to take up like 0.7-0.8tb

[blazing musk]

You're playing larger games then

[worn trail]

Fair.

Minecraft, Halo, Ark, and a couple others.

[foggy cliff]

Exactly

[blazing musk]

The Halo MCC is massive

Ark is huge too

[worn trail]

Lmao true.

[foggy cliff]

I play some large games

[worn trail]

I have Halo MCC and Infinite.

[dense merlin]

I've 5.5tb in my system and use maybe 1.5

I'd be fine with 1tb, as a lot of that is games i don't play

[worn trail]

I currently have 3 and still need to delete video files after I am done recording to ensure I don't run out of space.

Out of 3tb with all videos removed I only got 600gb of space left.

[turbid torrent]

I use 6TB of my 8 TB game drive for games, but I have literally every game I ever bought on there or my 1tb priority game ssd

it's nice being able to load up any game you have whenever you get the urge

[fringe mesa]

Prior to my new system builds, I purchased two Seagate 16TB HDD Exos X16, which actually came out to about $150 each, since Amazon refunded me for one. I got them because two of my 8TB drives were getting to their limits, and cloned them onto the 16tb drives. Only just discovered now I never actually needed the drives, as both older drives weren't jam packed with family pictures and videos, they were packed with 8 years of DVR backups of Naruto Shippuden!!!! My system would do a file history backup, every day, to backup my gaming servers and PHP and SQL data bases, and an image of drive C, once a week. Seems at some point, when Macrium Reflect did it's automatic backup, it turned on file history as well, and thought the DVR, was an OS drive. Just found out, 33tb of drive space wasted, was due to repeat Naruto backups. Only just found out, because I forgot where the DVR was saving to, so did a search for Naruto, and was just shocked at how many backups of the same exact show there was. Was about to delete it when I figured, I better wait to see if search brings up my DVR. I had it networked for years so any home PC can just watch it on any device, so only know the network address, not the real location, and I had a 8tb drive sata just die recently, so quite possible, the DVR was on that one. Murphy's law, if I delete the backup without checking first, it will be on the dead drive. File history, won't be an issue to restore. Some very old shows, I backed up, I can't for the life of me remember what I used.

[rotund nexus]

Why is a Dramless QLC NVMe SSD bad / rarely ever recommended?

[small carbon]

Dramless isn't necessarily the problem. What is might be often not cheap enough to bother with and/or there's simply plenty of better options.

[minor sun]

In general, dramless is a bad sign that points to a bad controller and a bad design, extra wear and tear from metadata probably having to be stored on the drive itself. With qlc, it's just really slow when you try to write to native qlc nand, and with dynamic slc, you'll run out of slc cache faster as you fill it up since pslc mode on qlc means only 1 bit per cell instead of 4 bit normally. It's in general just slower, quite a bit slower writing to native qlc, it can even be slower than HDDs.

For a somewhat 1:1 example of tlc vs qlc, look at what happened when wd changed the tlc on the P2 with qlc
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/crucial-p2-ssd-qlc-flash-swap-downgrade

[rotund nexus]

i was doing some testing and was shocked to see basically the same performance numbers across the board from 0% to 95% capacity used @minor sun

[minor sun]

The main thing is for sustained writes, iirc its atto that's good for testing that

If it uses pslc, when you use more storage, less slc cache it has to work with

and the less slc cache, the more likely you'll run out of cache while writing something

but ofc there's a small chance it has dedicated write cache where that wouldn't matter as much

[rotund nexus]

uses host memory buffer

so it leans on the system ram for a caching

[minor sun]

no

[rotund nexus]

no?

[minor sun]

hmb is for metadata

not write cache

[rotund nexus]

ahhh

learn something new every day

[minor sun]

hmb uses like 5mb

[minor sun]

like for example that p2 there, the qlc version has 130gb of pslc cache

while empty

oops typo

130 not 300

but anyways that makes sense if you think about it as ~130gb while slc (1 bit per cell) -> ~130*4 (520gb) while qlc

[subtle mountain]

Howdy ho

Anyone know a good free HD clone software, I'm give a brat my older 1tb to replace his 1tb hd

[blazing musk]

Macrium reflect
Clonezilla if you're comfortable with a TUI

[heavy light]

can anyone help me format my hard drive that already has stuff installed on it?

i just reinstalled windows on my ssd, but i still have games and stuff installed on my hard drive, is there a way to bring all of that onto my new windows install ?

I was gonna wipe it but I got a message saying " Virtual Disk Service error: The device is in use."

I don't get how im currently using it when only my ssd is formatted

[indigo arch]

What are you using to try and format it?

[heavy light]

I think I got it figured out, ty tho

[formal tusk]

YOOOOO

Legit?

[red jay]

can anyone help me decipher what the best sub 20~ ssd I can get rn is

piss broke but its also for a piss poor machine so

max is like exactly 20$ including tax

[dense merlin]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mK97YJ/silicon-power-a55-256-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-su256gbss3a55m28ab about the best you can get

assuming you're in the us

[red jay]

not m.2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B6ZCMSQ3/

was looking at this

[small carbon]

At this price they'll all be similar. Silicon Power or the 240GB Teamgroup is probably my pick. SP for reviews, but the Team for price.

[red jay]

is a 256 worth it over a 240?

[small carbon]

Not when they're worse value and you're trying to stay under $20. Maybe the 240 models are older but idk.

[red jay]

alright

especially given I already use a Vulcan regular in my main rig I'll go ahead and get that

has served me right for the years I've had it

[red jay]

er, rq

is 128 dram > 240 dramless?

I know dram is p important with ssds

[minor sun]

Depends

[red jay]

on the needs I assume?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075DJ2D6X this the only one I found at the price

its on newmaxx so

[minor sun]

There's a decent chance it doesn't have dram

Says can have s11

[red jay]

p sure it does? 🤔

[minor sun]

Look on newmaxx sheet

Look to the right

It may have the cheaper s11 controller

Which would mean no dram

[red jay]

I dont see the thing you refer to but ill take your word for it

is it like just a gamble if it does or doesnt

[small carbon]

Idk why even looking at a $16 120GB with what I showed yesterday. Dram options aren't usually that cheap unless maybe an old 860 evo from Ebay.

[red jay]

Was making sure because I saw that ssd listed in the "mid range" section on newmaxx

[which usually means it has dram]

[minor sun]

@red jay from the newmaxx sheet

[red jay]

which sheet is this?

https://ssd.borecraft.com/SSD_Buying_Guide_List.pdf

[minor sun]

The sheet

[red jay]

this is what im looking at

[minor sun]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/htmlview#gid=0

[red jay]

thanks

[small carbon]

Well it does have dram according to that sheet, remember 120GB won't hold too many games alongside the OS and some stuff.

[red jay]

am aware, the machine its for would probably not need that much storage

the May is worry some though

like I asked earlier are they just sent out in batches and some have it and some dont?

I have an osu tablet and I know it used to come in two forms, and at checkout you could specify to get the one you wanted

is it smn more like that? 🤔

[minor sun]

nah, with SSDs manufacturers just swap parts around without announcing it

happens pretty often

you don't know what you're going to get

outside packaging is probably going to be the same

[red jay]

this was more or less how it was with the os tablet

you could put a shipping note or buy note or w/e to get the specific revision

[red jay]

but I see, hmm

[harsh sage]

I got some low-end optane drive for free lol

[minor sun]

Revive 3dxpoint

[kind sierra]

Nah

Move onto non volatile STT-RAM

[empty juniper]

Am i actually gonna notice a difference between a sata ssd and nvme if im only using it for games

[blazing musk]

Probably not

Depends on the game though

[empty juniper]

Ok thx

[dense merlin]

In time for the game to launch, a few seconds

[pallid orchid]

Am i doing this right ||/s||

[harsh sage]

no

🤓

[slate girder]

Am I allowed to post a link to a video cuz a hard drive I bought is having problems

[blazing musk]

DM it to me, links are blocked until your name turns green

Update: It's dead. Head failure from shock/drop damage.

[plucky cape]

Anyone ob?

On

[blazing musk]

Yes

Did you have a question besides that?

[plucky cape]

Not anymore thanks my nvm drive was not showing up but i fixed it

[fringe mesa]

Noticed that the new system, when not being used, is constantly showing the hard drive being used, by the activity light clearly showing it's obviously reading something. Not easy to compare with the other two Z690s as those two cases don't have hard drive activity LEDs, and have a feeling they are fazed out, because of what Im seeing now.

Do a Google search, only brings up why a hard drive won't show, and why the LED is constantly on, which looking at the second, isn't the behavior I'm seeing, it's about the LED just being stuck on steady. Even went as far as restoring an image before anything was added, like Steam, Discord, things like that, and see it's something with Windows 11.

[dawn sand]

@blazing musk i dont remeber but did you say this Mx ssd is bad

also is this worth it

[sour wadi]

Nope

[fringe mesa]

I have two of those, and both died in under a year.

[sour wadi]

Mx500 is good, bx500 is the one that's just eh

[sour wadi]

That would be very unlucky

[dawn sand]

are you saying nope to the samsung thing whats V-NAND ssd mean does that help with performance at all

[sour wadi]

Nope to the samsung

V nand is probably samsungs weird name for slc cache or something

[dawn sand]

theres these but only 1TB sadly

[fringe mesa]

They are part of what led me to decide to build three new Z690s. My kids systems were originally ASUS Z97 gamers, and what at first I thought was a comparability issue with Windows 11 turned out to be my daughter not uninstalling older Starbound mods, so game kept crashing. The two SSDs, purchased in February 2021, both died in June of this year. No warning, they just stopped being picked up.

GameMax PSU as well, so that could have been what led to their demise.

[dawn sand]

is this okay for price

[fringe mesa]

Kenzie, does your motherboard support M2 NVME?

[dawn sand]

what

it has an SSD slot

[fringe mesa]

We talking a laptop?

[dawn sand]

no

https://www.techtarget.com/searchstorage/feature/Samsung-V-NAND-SSDs-designed-for-high-capacity-speed-efficiency @sour wadi

[sour wadi]

Why only bb?

[fringe mesa]

I have several Z690 and keep the SATA drives, including the SSD disconnected now, because I learned quite fast, having a SATA drive of any type, slowed the systems down 75%.

[dense merlin]

I have a guess but I'll wait for kenzie to say it

Well two guesses

[dawn sand]

well the ssd i wanted to get I would have to go back work the day Iwould get it im okay sending a little more to get it now

[dense merlin]

That sentence is not english

[dawn sand]

okay

[dawn sand]

i fixed it

i just woke up and didnt have my breakfast seems my brain is missing some words

[fringe mesa]

Bit of advice, if you stop by a Best Buy, do not let them talk you into a free virus scan. Most that go there only have issues with system being slow due to what they installed, and end up leaving with an infected PC, that wasn't infected in the first place

[dawn sand]

@sour wadi i also looked at walmart but they didnt have anything

[sour wadi]

Still doesn't make much sense

[dawn sand]

I would like to use the computer this weekend

not wait until next weekend

[sour wadi]

So you need something you can buy in store?

[dawn sand]

yea

[sour wadi]

Amazon next day shipping not good enough?

[dawn sand]

its doesnt apply to the order

[fringe mesa]

I was going to say the same thing Pato

[dense merlin]

Amazon doesn't have next day on p31, s70, mp33, mp34, sn550, or sn570?

[dawn sand]

really

man

[fringe mesa]

Kenzie, Best Buy uses shrink wrap machines. Your not always getting new. I don't trust them with any hardware.

[dawn sand]

bruh

[fringe mesa]

Easy to spot, if you look at an item in plastic, and it has a line on top and bottom, not tucked in like a gift, it's a rewrap.

[dawn sand]

Would be nice to get free ssd from microcenter

[fringe mesa]

Now if you work for them, the 10% above cost employee discount is quite nice.

Sadly doesn't apply to video game systems or their games

My kids systems got the free 2tb NVME drives when I got the ram package. Those NVME were actually better than my 2TB rockets.

[dawn sand]

seems prices on BB are same with amazon

[fringe mesa]

Not sure why, but mixing Kingston fury with the rockets, did strange things.

Look up the 2tb Kingston Fury NVME. That's what all my new systems boot off of. When no SATA connected, Im in windows login from cold boot up.

7300mbps read/ 7000mbps write.

Kingston FURY Renegade 2TB PCIe Gen 4.0 NVMe M.2 Internal Gaming SSD | Up to 7300 MB/s | Graphene Heat Spreader | 3D TLC NAND | Works with PS5 | SFYRD/2000G https://a.co/d/etv3JT1

Check this out on @ornate obsidian: Kingston FURY Renegade M.2 2280 2TB PCIe 4.0 x4 NVMe 3D TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) SFYRD/2000G https://www.newegg.com/kingston-2tb-fury-renegade/p/N82E16820242656?Item=N82E16820242656&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-20-242-656-_-10212022

[dawn sand]

I'm just gunna go pick something up

[fringe mesa]

SK hynix Platinum P41 2TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 M.2 2280 Internal SSD l Up to 7,000MB/S l Compact M.2 SSD Form Factor SK hynix SSD - Internal Solid State Drive with 176-Layer NAND Flash https://a.co/d/cW3h7N3

Do you not have a working boot drive? If you do, a few days wait for something like the above, is definitely worth the wait.

Heh, had this hardware existed in 1998, I'd have made a small fortune in pixel sales.

[dense merlin]

Kenzie cannot wait

Physically he cannot

[fringe mesa]

Lol, know the feeling. I at least waited to get the EVGA PSU for my system. My luck, the one Z690 out of 3 that was bad ends up the one I got. Least, in the end it all worked out.

[dense merlin]

No it's a bit different

I won't get into it as it'd feel like bullying

[fringe mesa]

Bullying me or someone else?

[dense merlin]

Kenzie

[fringe mesa]

Most likely, they just want to buy whatever it is at the moment, knowing if they wait, the funds will be gone. Lot of states got special stimulus payments recently, so people are off Xmas shopping already.

[dawn sand]

That reminds me

We got a trailer yesterday WHOLE THING WAS FOLDING TABLES

[fringe mesa]

Ok, I got to get coffee. Was a out to say who would watch a movie about folding tables, then a few brain cells in me said shut up Xan, get your coffee before I say anything worse.

[dawn sand]

Haha

[hollow carbon]

980 pro is not single sided with flat back it has 2 unlevel sides. I saw a laptop video guy install different sized heat pads on 980 pro and shared the overheat throttling difference between the 2 identical laptops 1 with heatsink pad and 1 without. temps were different

sort of all that I heard of in general 2tb manufacturers make model m2 drives are double sided and no flat back. I used the default thick pads on my 2tb m2.

What I don't know is anything over 2tb how does it all go together. Ive seen people movies with these huge mechanical 6tb hard drives and up 8 maybe

The storage drives can be combined as a single volume under windows still only C drive is where the programs go. What drive is it does it matter anymore?

storage drives under linux are different they dont combine I think

[real lava]

There's a little something called RAID array

No matter what OS, you can actually combine different drives into one cluster with RAID

So it doesn't differ from os to os, it's simply a raid setup

And double-sided ssd doesn't mean it's two drives, it's just one whole drive with extra nand soldered onto the other side of the pcb

[small carbon]

Artemid, the unlevel part is because nand and controller are different heights. Indeed a good heatsink can be a big deal in laptops. In my desktop on the other hand, my airflow is good enough my ssd could live w/o heatsink. 🤣

[hollow carbon]

The raid storage is interesting. Motherboards manual has Commandline instructions setting up redundancy array independent/inexpensive disks aka RAID. Oh on the mention the command line level sets up raid before you install the os operating system. There could be movie on how to do that.

[blazing musk]

The only part that needs to be cooled on a high performance SSD is the controller anyway, the NAND prefers being warm.

[hollow carbon]

Yeah the conroller on the nand if it has a thick heatsink then its good Even if its uneven sided. hehe I heard from youtube video

.5 and 1.5 I think were cut to fit 980 2tb for laptop movie. My manufacturer couldnt tell me the specs on the stock heatsinks. Oh well anyway it maybe 1.5 I'm guessing

[blazing musk]

A lot of people on youtube don't know what they're talking about and don't cite sources for their info. Also common is taking legitimate information and twisting it to be misleading.

[hollow carbon]

ah heres the movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8Z09nU554Q

or any m.2 aka nvme that is over 1tb in size

[blazing musk]

It'll only heat up enough to be a problem if you're writing large (100gb+) files

[hollow carbon]

I've got the thicker than .5. My desktop stock pads are thicker than .5 maybe lil & arent really much looking on 2tb manufacture model

[small carbon]

I did what that vid shows to my P41, just for fun. For winter if I feel like it, might actually see if the heatsink will come off ez. 1 of the pads is generic and 1 is thermal grizzly. Plus it hides the ssd.

[open gazelle]

Do we have any sources of desired temps for NAND? I remember looking into it before but couldnt find much. Could get too warm on PCIe5 drives (for lifespan) for example, cuz all we know is that we shouldnt cool NAND.

[kind sierra]

I'd think it would mostly be the controller that's running hotter on the gen 5 drives

[blazing musk]

NAND is happy up to 85C and if it's at room temp or lower you can lose performance

[minor sun]

For example, b47r is rated for 0-70c, I think there's white papers on performance at temperature
https://www.micron.com/products/nand-flash/3d-nand/part-catalog/mt29f8t08ewleem5-t?login

Just making an educated guess, but since it's rated from 0-70c, it'll prob perform best at somewhere around 35c

[small carbon]

Too bad controller height doesn't simply match nand height. Great thing is how sharing heat/cooling is good for both. Just gonna yank the heatsink so nand isn't too cool.

[minor sun]

Newmaxx would probably have better sources

[minor sun]

I gotchu
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~yixinluo/index_files/heatwatch_hpca18.pdf

[blazing musk]

Found some sources stating that NAND prefers to be around 40C and at 25C or below you get twice as much bit rot over time

No idea if said sources (jedec) are 100% accurate but GN agreed with it

[minor sun]

From quote from above source,
"We expect that the RBER (raw bit error rate) decreases with higher temperatures because higher programming temperatures decrease the number of program variation errors."

Well it's quoted from newmaxx, who quoted from the paper, I'm too lazy to read the actual paper

[blazing musk]

So to recap: controller cold, flash warm

[open gazelle]

Going to read those things soon, but basically I found sorta same thing with an equation that didnt have much of a max temp. So technically 180c would be better then 80c (I mean there was a curve with some sort of asymptote, just giving an example as I cant recall exact details. Also wanted to exaggerate the details to show why I didnt have 100% trust in that curve if extrapolated), which I doubt it is.

[minor sun]

from glancing at the paper I sent, it looks like the answer is really just "it depends"

there's also this which is interesting

[blazing musk]

It really does scale all the way up to the standard 70C rating for consumer NAND. Enterprise grade NAND is rated up to 85 and I wonder if that scales too.

[haughty notch]

So not sure how to go about this, but this weekend I had to deal with a ransomware attack on my home media server, didn't lose anything major and have handled it since. But I am kind of afraid of losing all my data if this happened again, is there any sort of reasonable way of having drives that can hold backups of stuff without always being connected? I understand I can use external hard drives but I don't necessarily trust those after some bad experiences a few years ago

Kinda looking for mass storage that I can put away after backing up my stuff

[dense merlin]

could use an enclosure, but that's basically an ehdd

[haughty notch]

Just looking for something rugged that can be left for a while and retain the data

That might not be bad, since I could pick the drive

[dense merlin]

could also do an external ssd enclosure, but would likely be too expensive for you

[haughty notch]

My data is priceless lmao, down to spend as much as I need, but I don't necessarily need the speed of an ssd

If that is the best option I could go down that route

[dense merlin]

how much storage do you need?

[haughty notch]

I am only backing up important data, so like my unity projects, video projects, stuff like that, so if anything 4-6tb

My server has about 8tb for this reason, but it's local and anything can happen, this weekend was an example of that

[bold niche]

Anyone got experience with Samsung SSD warranty in Canada?

[fringe mesa]

Have something wierd where one of the efi partitions seem to have been assigned a drive letter, yet drive management doesn't show the drive letter at all. Most strangest thing I ever seen.

[blazing musk]

Does it show in diskpart?

[fringe mesa]

Yes, and get this, I remove it, reboot, and system adds it right back in. It nocks the other drives out of kilter, so even tried naming it M as it keeps changing to F. It's a clone of my boot drive. Oh, I did a fresh format, family share the PC shows up, but moment I turn on the SATA drives, that's when the computer name vanished off the network, but people can still connect. Going to try something different.

[fringe mesa]

All fixed 🙂

I used minitool partition wizard, which forced the entire drive 1 deletion, which it had to do a reboot. After system rebooted, use Macrium Reflect to clone 0 to 1 and then once done, went into drive manager and disabled drive 1. That stopped the (F) reappearing, plus prevents Windows from sneaking more efi partitions on it. Put the SATAs back online and reordered the drives to their proper letters. This is so I can transfer rest of programs and data to NVME. Family share for my PC showed up, after I fixed that reoccurring F drive. Also took an SSD offline. Going to try something shortly.
.
Is it true, that there are going to be 20tb and 30tb NVME's? Saw an article I sure as heck not clicking on, especially with the GCW or Game Copy World link. That place used to be reliable for backup software for the Amiga and C128, used to buy a lot of their programs. Sadly, now that they only seem to keep public domain and trainers, the utilities there are almost as bad as their heavily infected banner ads.

[blazing musk]

It's already launched https://www.tomshardware.com/news/kioxia-launches-first-pcie-40-enterprise-ssds-up-to-30tb-14-million-iops-69-gbps

[formal tusk]

@quasi sinew

I found ur ssd's

[blazing musk]

Now if you mean 30tb in a M.2 2280 form factor then no we're a ways away from that

Casual 14 mil iops too nbd

[formal tusk]

Let him run 60TB of ssd's in his PCIe slots

[blazing musk]

That article was two and a half years ago too so there's already competition at that size from Samsung

[formal tusk]

Man that thing is probably worth like 5 grand at least for one

Real baller status would be a threadripper build filled with these

[blazing musk]

Didn't Linus do that already

Dual Epyc though

[sour wadi]

Tbf nvme is the standard not the form factor lol

[formal tusk]

That's server tho

Server brr bicc but also green sticc green board buh

[quasi sinew]

[formal tusk]

Threadripper sleek black sleek fast pcie brrr fast

[sour wadi]

I see your brr but i raise you brrrrrrrrrrr

[cyan needle]

Ha. Thats nothing compared to brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[sharp hamlet]

Hey I just installed my ssd and it shows somewhere in my bios that it's there and it's there in my task manager but it doesn't show up as a bootable drive

[cyan needle]

Right click Start Menu > Disk Management > Right Click the SSD > Format > File System (NTFS) / Allocation Unit Size (leave as default) > Check Perform a Quick Format > Click OK

Make sure you are formatting the right SSD.

[blazing musk]

It'll probably prompt to initialize the disk when you open disk management too. Set it up as GPT.

[cyan needle]

Thanks Fal, I knew I was forgetting something.

[sharp hamlet]

Ik this sounds really dumb but what's the start menu?

[blazing musk]

The button on the bottom of the screen with the windows logo

Far left

(Or middle left on 11)

[sharp hamlet]

Feeling dumb fr

[sharp hamlet]

It says I need to initialize disk

Before doing anything in disk management

[blazing musk]

.

[cyan needle]

yep, read Fal'Cie's comment.

[sharp hamlet]

Sorry about that, should've read it 😅

It says my ssd is unallocated, I right I right click the little box and there's no option to format it

[sharp hamlet]

Should I setup a new simple volume?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[sharp hamlet]

ohhh that was the simple volume thing

thanks for the help!

Hate to be a bother again but even after having my ssd show up in windows and stuff I still can't change the boot priority

[blazing musk]

The bios will only list detected operating systems that meet the requirements for booting with current settings

[sharp hamlet]

So my ssd can't boot windows? 😭

[blazing musk]

It can if windows is installed to the drive

Were you trying to move windows off of another drive?

[sharp hamlet]

i really don't know why i thought windows would be able to boot off a drive that doesn't have windows i am SO sorry

[blazing musk]

Lol it's fine. You can copy your current windows install using macrium reflect so you don't need to totally reinstall

[sharp hamlet]

@blazing musk I got everything running but now I think everything is installing on to my ssd, do I just manually change where everything goes?

[blazing musk]

The default program install location will be the programs folder on the drive where windows is installed.

Steam is easy to fix, just make a new library where you want it and tell the games to install there

[cyan needle]

Can even tell Steam to transfer your games to that new folder.

also called Directory.

[sharp hamlet]

Alright

So for stuff other than steam though do I just manually choose where to install stuff?

[blazing musk]

Yes

You can technically change the default install location but I don't recommend that

It can break Windows Update for one

[sharp hamlet]

im trying to install lightroom and it doesn't ask where i want to install it, instead it goes straight to the ssd, how can i change that?

[minor sun]

If you're downloading through a browser, look at the browser settings

[fringe mesa]

Just saw the above. Didn't even think to look if that clickbait was ssd or M2.

6gbps looks comparable to a Fury NVME at 7300mbps.

[open gazelle]

Have to look at Creative Cloud settings for default program location. If CC isnt installed or is being weird then sometimes one needs to install X program [Lightroom in your case], change the settings, and then reinstall it. Adobe is absolute trash and does literally nothing correct, should be paying people to use their product half the time.

[sharp hamlet]

that fixed it thanks

[sharp hamlet]

this too lol thanks guys

[open gazelle]

Ye welcome. Adobe being whack is nothing new sadly

[turbid crater]

Is difference between m2. Nvme on pci 3 and 4

Minimal?

As well as nvme that has pci 3 or pci 4 standard built in

[cyan needle]

Depends on your use case. If you are just gaming. Nope. If you are transferring lots of small files.. nope. If you are transferring large files constantly.. Yes.

[cyan needle]

same as above.

[turbid crater]

Lets say u moving tv shows and blue ray movies

[cyan needle]

how often you gonna be doing that?

[turbid crater]

Not much just a lot once i set up my build

[cyan needle]

If it's a once and done kind of deal, I'd suggest getting a gen 3. No reason to pay way more for performance you won't experience beyond here and there.

and it's not like gen 3 won't be super quick anyways

[kind sierra]

On top of that if you're moving all of them at once you'll either end up limited by the read speed of the source device or the native nand write speeds of the target

[quiet gust]

Are there particular SATA-to-SAS hdd/ssd adapters I should get for a sas drive? I've read online they use different voltages and also saw one that looked like a simple adapter with just a different connector on one end. Shouldn't there be some sort of controller or particular adapter that changes the voltages to the ones the drive actually needs?

[blazing musk]

Voltages are given by the SATA power connector. It has every standard voltage.
What I think you mean is the signal wires are different, but SAS is more like SATA+ where it can communicate on both protocols and should auto detect when it's only getting SATA speed.

[harsh sage]

Chad SAS connector

[craggy drum]

What hard drive should I buy

[blazing musk]

That depends on your needs

What will it be used for?

[craggy drum]

Just to storage old minecraft clips and Imma use my ssd as a primary/main thingy

I need around 1-2 tb

[blazing musk]

Ok so just a mass storage drive. Easy enough.

[craggy drum]

I guess I just don’t wanna delete all 3600 clips

🧍‍♂️🧍‍♂️

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gHNxFT/western-digital-wd-blue-2-tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-wd20ezbx

[craggy drum]

Ty

[small carbon]

That's a good "normal" hdd. I've got 2 of the 1TB from previous setups. Funny last one was $60/TB.

[blazing musk]

Yeah the WD gold was a little cheaper but not really intended for desktops

[quiet gust]

Ok
Guess I'll just buy a simple and random adapter I find online

[upper quiver]

currently attempting to buy 48TB of HDDs at $2.50/TB wish me luck

[foggy lichen]

hey, so i just purchased an asus hyper x16 card and i went to go install it into my gigabyte x570 board. I know I need to bifurcate the 2nd x16 slot into 4x4 but im not sure how to get there in gigabyte BIOS

anyone have an idea?

[formal tusk]

if you have 16 lanes and 4 m.2's it'll auto 4x4

if you only have 2 m.2's it'll only do 2x4

however

if you have a GPU, it'll bifurcate into only 8 lanes to begin with

so it'll be 4x2 really

if you have 4 gen 3 drives in it, it'll work at full speed

but 4 gen 4 you won't have the bandwidth for all 4 at full tilt

tho I really doubt in any universe where you'd need that much bandwidth anyway lol

[turbid crater]

i have an old ssd 1tb sata that i want to add to my new pc. I have m2. nvme ssd to boot windows. How would i got about reformatting my old ssd?

my old ssd used to boot my old pc

[cyan needle]

If you no longer want anything off that Sata SSD then hook it up to your PC then follow these steps: Right-Click Start Menu > Disk Management > Find the Sata SSD in the list labeled "Volume" > Right-Click that Drive > Format > Choose NTFS and keep Allocation Unit Size at default > Perform A Quick Format > OK.

If it prompts you to "Initialize" the disk when you open Disk Management, be sure to set it up at GPT. Although I don't think it will do this since you've already used the SSD.

[turbid crater]

thx

[low yew]

Hi, I'm looking to build and external storage solution using M2 SSDs and an enclosure. I am a videographer and video editor and storage is my main issue. I've already filled up a 16tb G drive raid in the past couple of years.. Wouldanyone be able to advise on what options might be worth looking into. ideally looking to hit around 1000mbps speed wise. Thanks

[minor sun]

On the ridiculous side for 8tb drive:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WZK8YMY
If you're fine with multiple 4tb drives:
https://www.newegg.com/team-group-4tb-mp34/p/N82E16820331702
If you're fine with multiple 2tb drives:
https://www.newegg.com/solidigm-2tb-p41-plus/p/N82E16820329022

[low yew]

thanks, i'm not to fussed about number of drives, just need about 1000Tb to future proof myself again piles of 4k and 6k footage 🤣

[minor sun]

Actually the rocket 4 Plus is way overkill if it's an external solution, I don't think you'll really be able to take advantage of those speeds through USB lol

But if you're setting up an array of drives, it will probably depend on the cost of whatever external enclosure you're using whether it's cheaper to go with many cheaper smaller drives or fewer more expensive larger drives

[dense merlin]

Did you mean 10000mb/s or 1000?

I'd probably look at faster drives than 1000 if you're doing 4k video transfer, but ig depends how fast you need stuff to transfer/download

Sn850x and s70/blade are good choices for fast drives

[low yew]

Thanks for the info, in an ideal world if i can work off it as well that would be great but i've got a couple of internal drives that can handle that side of it. So would probably just be used as an archive/backup

[minor sun]

The main thing still ends up being price tbh, if you are moving a couple TB of footage at a time, faster drives will be quite helpful, but that comes at a price

For example, xs70 is faster, but 200$ for 2tb, when like a P41 plus is 130$ for 2tb, so for mass storage, it'll make a big difference when one drive is 50% more expensive than the other

1000tb is a lot

[low yew]

i don't relly need 1000TB just feels like it sometimes 🙂 . i think another 16-20tb will do for now. I've hit a point of having to shuffle stuff around and worried i'll start losing footage and projects etc if i'm not careful and price isn't too much of a concern if it's worth it.

[kind sierra]

I approve of this username

[fringe mesa]

I now have to wait 14+ hours, for 8TB of info, to restore back to one of my SATA drives. I'm used to drives not showing in their correct order when running from repair, or other windows utilities, but first time I ever nailed the wrong drive, because windows shows in one order, but shell swapped two drives around, or so it appears.

Think the portable drive with its own EFI, threw me a curve ball lol.

[low yew]

laser fam

[crystal pebble]

I want to upgrade my predator 300 315 55 95ns ssd to a wd black ns850x 2tb will it fit

[cyan needle]

Will it fit what?

[fringe mesa]

Have a slight issue, that's normally easily corrected with a registry change, but looking at onedrive now, am missing a step somewhere. I keep my documents and image folders on a separate NVME, as they are close to if not over 1TB, and rather keep the OS partition separate, so when I screw things up, which I do often during testing, I'm not stuck waiting for all the other data to restore as well. OneDrive is misaligned to my documents folder. Windows won't let me move the folder, over to my other drive where it is supposed to be, which shows me the data it has, is not correct. Changing the location via registry edit works to a point, but leaves one drive on wrong location, and edit it via registry, resets back to drive C after reboot. Info on Google is what I already do if I don't use OneDrive, but since it's no longer acting like a stupid DVD writer, and losing all my data re-indexing like it used to, figure I give it another try.

[fringe mesa]

Of all the utilities for windows, desktop ok been very handy, and hope it works with 11. My desktop looks like a game of minefield, and I have icons grouped in a way I know where any utility is. Once in a blue moon, some window update scrambles the icons all over, making it hard to find my applications. DesktopOK, saves an image of the desktop, so if icons turn into puke city, you can restore them to their proper place, with one press of the key.

[blazing musk]

Windows won't let you change the library location? I've had that issue a couple times and the only fix I found was reinstalling windows, not even a PC reset fixed it.

You'll get that problem if you accidentally put 2 libraries in the same place. Ask me how I know lol.

[cyan needle]

How do you know?

[true tiger]

I'm new to this, so please forgive my ignorance. I'm trying to hook up two external USB hard drives so they are accessible to anyone on my home network. They are currently hooked into only one computer. I think I need a NAS but if something else will work and is simpler, please let me know. But I see NAS enclosures that allow additional drives with USB connections. Will one of those work without any installed drives?

[serene laurel]

Is this worth it?

https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Portable-Photographers-MU-PE1T0S-AM/dp/B09VLK9W3S/ref=sr_1_9?crid=1LT1FL48WU4B9&keywords=1TB+ssd+usb-c+10gb%2Fs&qid=1667505442&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIxLjg0IiwicXNhIjoiMC4wMCIsInFzcCI6IjAuMDAifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=1tb+ssd+usb-c+10gb%2Fs%2Caps%2C128&sr=8-9

Or for the price, would it be better to get an m.2 NVMe and an external enclosure?

[blazing musk]

You can do a network share instead and save money. It basically turns your computer into the nas.

[small carbon]

Until someone says more, I'll give you another possible option. Sure 550ish MB/s "limit", but it's a good drive.

[fringe mesa]

Unlike older versions of windows, the earlier windows 10 like builds 1903 and before, they moved the documents folders with no issues. But 11, forces OneDrive up, and that seems to cement the folder where it is. Worse, my attempt at messing with the registry like I normally did, caused a secondary branch of folders, and deleting that branch became a problem, as the programs accessing them, are either using the correct branch, or incorrect one. Terminating the programs using the wrong branch is simple fix, but it's the protected system files using wrong branch that's a bit irksome. Actually, just realized, if I shut all systems down for that account, I can delete the bad branch through my phone, then restore the image prior to registry edit.

[serene laurel]

I was actually asking for a friend, but I’ll pass this on

[turbid crater]

I need a hdd to play movies should i get wd enterprise 4tb for around 55 usd?

[true tiger]

Thanks for the help. I'll look into the network share.
My computer is an MS Surface, everything I do will need to be external. Thanks again for the ideas.

[fringe mesa]

I finally found out, why my documents folder, has one drive misaligned. Seems two days ago, Windows forced an update while monitor wasn't on, which caused that 5 beep error. I totally forgot I found my system In the bios screen the next day, and forgot to check out why. The update never completed, so it booted into my emergency drive, which is an earlier clone and before I tried moving the documents folder. Next time I booted, it ran an error check and then loaded into normal drive, hence the files appeared a folder off.

I'll just format the second drive and put an updated image. Quicker fix than going through all those folders.

[green wharf]

What’s a good external ssd, one that’ll be good to store videos on

[bronze parcel]

Probably best to go with Samsung T5/T7 lineup. Some other brands will work as well such as Buffalo.

[green wharf]

Ok thx

[sour wadi]

Crucial also have the x6

[knotty drum]

I bought this

Good for gaming?

I think I messed up

[real lava]

it's fine

[sour wadi]

Storage just effects screen loading times

[knotty drum]

Ah okay if I put in os in sdd that would be better?

[real lava]

^

ya

it won't be an issue

you just gotta wait for games to load longer than on ssd

other than that it's usable

[knotty drum]

Okay

I put it new 4tb

Now I get blue screen for automatic recovery

[sour wadi]

Yes, OS on your ssd is basically mandatory nowadays

[sour wadi]

Do you want to do anything for recovery??

Just click continue if you want to go to windows

[knotty drum]

Okay. But I don't think I have os

[sour wadi]

Uh what did you do?

[knotty drum]

So basically my 1tb I have has an os

I switched it with the new

Hdd

@sour wadi if I were to put back my HDD and install os on sdd

[sour wadi]

Oh you had your OS on your old hdd that you took out?

[knotty drum]

Yeah

[sour wadi]

Yeah put your old hdd in, get a usb stick that has at least 8gb of storage (this will be wiped) google and download the windows media creation tool or i think for windows 10 you can only get the iso now (if only iso, download rufus and use that to burn the iso) if media creation tool, just follow the steps for installing on a usb drive. Move anything you want to keep from your ssd to your hdd's. take everything but your ssd out of the pc, plug in the usb and get into bios and boot to the usb and follow the install instructions

[knotty drum]

Okay

I see dell recovery

Smart repair, instant repair

[knotty drum]

@sour wadi okay I'm in the setup and I am trying to do windows 10 into my sdd

And it says windows cannot be installed the disk select is got

Gpt*

@minor sun could ya help me out?

[blazing musk]

How old is the motherboard? Or at least what processor is in it?

[knotty drum]

@blazing musk Ryzen 5 5600x

[blazing musk]

Definitely new enough to support GPT then, try enabling UEFI only mode in bios, sometimes also called disable CSM

[knotty drum]

Okay

Should I try to setup windows 10?

Ok Im in the setup

Im actually just going to give up

[blazing musk]

Press shift+F10 to bring up command prompt and enter diskpart

Then you can do list disk and find the new drive, then select it (replace X with drive number) select disk X and then attributes disk clear readonly and online disk convert gpt

[knotty drum]

@blazing musk

[blazing musk]

online disk and convert gpt are separate lines

[small steppe]

Snowy#2531 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[knotty drum]

For my disk 2 (sdd) it says I can't convert

I have another sdd but it has photos in it

Would it remove all my photos? @blazing musk if I were to put that as my windows 10?

[blazing musk]

Probably since it needs more than 1 partition to run windows and it'll need to re-partition

[knotty drum]

Okay

[blazing musk]

Try doing select disk X again before converting

[knotty drum]

Ok

Nah

It won't budge

[blazing musk]

Right, first we'll double check if it's the correct disk since the next command will destroy any data on it

list partition

If there's nothing listed then it's safe to clean

[knotty drum]

Uh there's one listed

[blazing musk]

pic? It might be the wrong drive selected

[knotty drum]

Oops I accidentally did clean

sorry

[blazing musk]

Huh, a single 5GB partition. Weird.

Well if the new drive is a 1TB and you don't have any other 1TB drives then that was the right one

[knotty drum]

Yeah

ok so

[blazing musk]

Now try to online disk and convert gpt again

[knotty drum]

Finally

[blazing musk]

If that's successful you can exit and close command prompt

It'll go back to the installer and the disk should be listed as unallocated space, select the space and hit next

[knotty drum]

Omg I think I want to kiss you man

My torture is gone

[blazing musk]

I take it that worked then lol

[knotty drum]

3 hours of that bs

Nearly 4 😂

.......

.....................

I've just installed it, I need to take usb out?

[blazing musk]

Yes when it reboots you should remove the USB

If you close that window it'll reboot

[knotty drum]

I need to revise for my mocks tomorrow

😂

[knotty drum]

@blazing musk also I knows it's abit late but thanks for taking your time for helping me out, just one question is it possible to recover photos if you accidentally formatted the wrong drive?

If not :/

[blazing musk]

It's possible

There's software to help with that and you'd want to do it before putting any more data on the drive to avoid writing over bits

[knotty drum]

What's the Percentage that I can recovery it?

Okay I will check it out tomorrow, good night and thank you

[blazing musk]

It depends on various factors but mostly luck

[knotty drum]

What if u formatted many times?

Like in one go?

[blazing musk]

The way that SSDs erase data isn't by immediately deleting it, but flagging it to be erased during normal garbage collection

So unless the drive has been on and mostly idle for a long time or you write a bunch of data to the drive and it writes over the old data, odds are good things can be mostly recovered

[fringe mesa]

Crazy question. I diskpart cleaned two NVME drives going back, both only had the OS on it, a clone I copy on all my NVME boot drives, so I don't waste hours having to reinstall drivers and only need to sign in for that systems key to take effect. Anyways, the first NVME I cleaned, took 6 hours to complete, yet the second one only 28 minutes. I'm just curious to know, if it took that long, if that could be a sign it's a bad drive, or going bad? I can understand it taking longer if it had a lot more info to wipe, but it has the same exact data, as all the other systems, and want to include a note not to resell if it's going bad.

[blazing musk]

What does the SMART data show? SSDs don't really slow down when they're going bad they just throw errors.

[tranquil finch]

Full format vs quick format for hdd

[blazing musk]

Full format does a pass that tries to delete the data (and does so badly but enough to corrupt anything recovered), quick just marks the space as available for reuse.

[tranquil finch]

I don't want it to be recovered.

K

[blazing musk]

If you really want data to be unrecoverable you need something that'll "shred" it

[tranquil finch]

So full format will delete everything so that it not be able to be recovered

[blazing musk]

Partial recovery would be possible, scraps of pictures and documents, things like that

[tranquil finch]

K

Is there a data wiping software that will work instead of formatting it

[blazing musk]

CCleaner has a shredder you can use, and it'll explain the level of shedding too, up to the full DoD compliant passes

[tranquil finch]

K

How many passes for 2 tb hdd

[blazing musk]

3 will be enough for all but the most determined FBI agents

7 is DoD standard

35 is for before you burn the drive because it has things that no one should ever see

[tranquil finch]

Lol, when I say 35 passes I was like that is alot

[blazing musk]

Yeah that would take a couple days to finish too probably lol

[tranquil finch]

Why would they have 35 passes

[blazing musk]

Paranoia, they didn't used to have that. It topped out at 7 last I used it.

Also never do that to a SSD, it'll kill the life of the drive

[tranquil finch]

Okay but it I wanted to do the same thing with my ssd how many passes for 1tb ssd

[blazing musk]

Nah really it'll kill your SSD

They're only rated for so many write cycles and that would write the entire drive capacity several times over for a single pass

What you can do is run the TRIM command after diskpart cleaning the drive

That initiates the automated garbage collection process that wipes all deleted data without damaging the cells

[minor sun]

Don't underestimate nand like that smh, it can take much more than that

Just writing over the drive like that will NOT kill the drive

[fringe mesa]

To be honest, I didn't bother to check. The one in question came from the PC that had bad ram. The one that had a stick that kept triggering a C4 error once warmed up? Newegg let me return both 32gb ram sets, not just the defective, and buy the more expensive 64gb Dominator ram. Since two sets were bad, the first DOA, the second after 2 weeks, didn't want to wait for third possibly dying, so bought the more expensive Corsair 64gb Dominator ram, and sent the bad back, which meant I also had to return the two free 2-tb T-Force NVME, so after copying the image onto two new 2-TB Kingston Fury NVME that I also purchased from Newegg to replace the ones going back, used diskpart to wipe both drives, one 6 hours, other about 28 minutes. I'll run a check on the 6 hour one and see, before they go back tomorrow. My daughter's system, the first to have ram and NVME replaced, runs a LOT more faster with the new ram and NVME, which is a bit of a shocker, because the more expensive ram, is rated slower than the failing T-Force. Even with SATA drives attached. Heh, she only owns 3 SATA drives, unlike my previous system with 14.

..
Oh, crazy question. I really don't like Windows 11 power management, especially for SATA drives. Was wondering if there is a SATA controller out there with its own power management. Something that keeps the hard drives actually off, until they need to be accessed.

I'm down to 5 hard drives, 14tb models, the other 9 I left in my z390 to use as a NAS system. If I can find a PCI Express card, that controller does both SATA and SATA power management, would be an awesome plus! Would keep my Z690 top speed until a drive was needed.

Reason I need this, a MMORPG I'm working on, the server and game client fit easily on NVME, but the sections it has to load, universe, maps, fill up 2tb of info. I'd like to keep the maps on the SATA, left off, then when needed, get loaded into ram. Figure there has to be a controller like this somewhere.

[edgy abyss]

is it possible for a hard drive to make strange whirring sounds that can be mistaken for one of your fans hitting a loose wire or something?

[blazing musk]

It's possible yes, that would be the head loading/unloading/skipping probably. If it does it frequently that can be an early sign of failure.
I'd look at the smart data with crystaldiskinfo. It'll tell you if the drive has reported any errors.

[edgy abyss]

thanks

[fringe mesa]

I missed out twice on two of my SATA drives warning signs the bearings were going bad. The warning sound like a jet plane taking off, I didn't hear was happening, because I live next to an airport, so I'm to used to hearing it.

[fringe mesa]

Saw 16tb at $450, and was glad I got a few right after the crypto crash when they were $190. Didn't think they'd go back up in price that fast. Did you know early 1990s a 2gb ide was about $4500?

I ran a CNet BBS off a 500mb SCSI that ran me $700.

My first BBS ran off a 10mb Lt Kernal, and I bust my brothers chops to this very day because he was the one who told me to get it, instead of using an sfd1001, saying 10mb would last me forever.

[tawny goblet]

Anyone got any experience with m.2 expansion cards? Looking to add more storage to my computer (with my case being matx space for more ssds is getting rare). I got 6TB between my ssds but I’m filling em up and need more room. Games, dlcs and mods take up allot more room than they used to

[minor sun]

What motherboard?

[tawny goblet]

msi pro b660m-a both my existing m.2 slots are already in use

[minor sun]

Second pcie x16 slot is x4, getting a x16 expansion card is probably going to be wacky

[formal tusk]

it'll work just not at the full speed ig

[minor sun]

dunno if the card could do x1 to each drive

[formal tusk]

if just for more room sure, or use a big hard drive and save a bunch

[mental plaza]

Would replacing an ssd on a laptop void the warranty? I feel like 512 gb is too small

[blazing musk]

It depends on the brand but opening it tends to void warranties in general, and they can often tell by the broken clips on some brands because they're designed to break off easily.
Ask the support team for the brand of laptop.

[mental plaza]

ok cool. I'm just going to hold off on customizing then

[fringe mesa]

You do know you can easily add more M2 cards, either by PCIEXPRESS adapter card, or USB. Your better off with using the PCIEXPRESS slot for fastest speed. Something else you might want to test. If you also use SATA drives, disconnect their power and see how your system performs without them from bootup. I found out a few weeks ago, having five sata drives slowed my systems performance 70%. I'm looking now for a controller that can shut the power to them as windows power management In windows 11 doesn't have a manual option for SATA control and want to keep the drives connected, but offline until needed. Some servers I use, take over 1TB and using an NVME just isn't feasible for me. If you go pciexpress card route, make sure they support more than one NVME. I seen some that hold up to 4 NVME drives.

Oh, when I say sata slows my system down, that includes sata SSDs.

[kind sierra]

Wait, what? How did having sata drives connected slow down your system?

[real lava]

I don't understand that either lmao

Sata is controlled by the controller in the cpu and mobo

It doesn't even mess with the cpu itself

[open gazelle]

Lot of the issues I see Xanthor have seem kinda cursed tbf

Stop cursing your hardware Xanthor

[fringe mesa]

This is what's taking place with my Aorus Master Z690 I9. With no SATA drives connected, power on, your at the windows login screen instantly. System is damned fast, as long as no SATA drives (Spindle and SSD). Connect the 5 SATA drives, boot up takes 55 seconds. I'm playing Eastwind, pretty good game actually. Keep it and it's save data on the NVME. If I connect the SATA drives, which basically all I'm doing is unplugging the power supply line that covers all 5 drives, the game loads very slowly, and I'm sure it's the Steam client doing this, as moment I run that game, or any game for that matter, it checks those drives, even though not a single component for that game exists on those drives. I only use them for image backups now, so there not on, unless I need one, which is why I'm looking for a separate controller as I said above. One that not only controls the SATA data, but power as well, as Windows 11 power, can't be manually changed. Power has to be cut. Just taking them off line in drive management doesnt speed things up

[knotty drum]

hey whats a good pirated windows recovery data app

[real lava]

we don't talk about piracy here

[knotty drum]

ok sorry i meant a free software

that recoverys lost data from format

[real lava]

ah

all i know is recuva

[knotty drum]

is it for free?

[real lava]

yes

[knotty drum]

okay i got it, it says it found 24 files and 0% progress would that mean there a chance to find more files? @real lava

[real lava]

yeah

[knotty drum]

honestly there was a software that took me 5-7 hours to find my deleted files

but i had to pay to recover

[kind sierra]

I only know ones that run in Linux

[fringe mesa]

Only time I ever had to use a data recovery, was in 2013, when I was trying to make a MSDOS boot drive, and didn't catch it in time, that what it was showing me wasn't the 500gb hard drive I got for that very purpose, but my 3tb drive, and it killed all partitions on it, plus wrote info that can't be easily fixed, making it think it was another hard drive model.

[dense merlin]

500gb 980 non pro worth $40 for a boot drive?

[formal tusk]

I believe so yes

Non pro is supposed to be decent iirc

[sour wadi]

It's okay deal 980 pro is like b tier

[formal tusk]

You're an okay deal uwu

[sour wadi]

But personally if going 500gb i would just get the cheapest decent m.2

Like 32$ for an mp33 or a60 or something

[dense merlin]

Alr ty

[bleak glacier]

Hi guys, I bought a "Crucial P2 2TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD" and I don't want to make a mistake choosing a compatible USB-C case. I'm not a tech guy and there's many specs differences. Can someone help me ?

[blazing musk]

Does your USB C port support thunderbolt?

[bleak glacier]

I think so, it's the last MacBook Pro M1

[blazing musk]

Ok cool, if you want to be able to use the full speed of the drive over the USB you want a thunderbolt to M.2, let me see if I can find you a good deal. They're a tad pricy but have gotten better lately.

[bleak glacier]

Cool thanks, I'd like the full speed to make fast backups on this drive.

[blazing musk]

Looks like the sale on one I found previously ended so this is the best I can find right now, $79 https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Envoy-Express-Thunderbolt-Enclosure/dp/B08LYQPRPJ

[bleak glacier]

You rock ! Thank you very much.

[bleak glacier]

Hey, just to understand : Is this kind of cheaper product just not compatible or will be slower ? (looks like it's thunderbolt too) https://www.newegg.ca/maiwo-k1688p/p/2BN-00EG-00017?Item=9SIB2HGJE76420&Description=thunderbolt to M.2&cm_re=thunderbolt_to M.2-_-2BN-00EG-00017-_-Product

[blazing musk]

That one is rated for much lower speed, 10Gb instead of the 40Gb of thunderbolt

It's technically "thunderbolt compatible" in that you can plug it into a thunderbolt port and it'll work but not at full speed

[bleak glacier]

I see 👍

[waxen flax]

I need some help about what kind of storage drive I should add to my pc, I just don't have enough space but I don't know which drive I should add

[blazing musk]

What motherboard, case, and storage do you currently have? Particularly so we can tell how many M.2 or sata slots you have open

[waxen flax]

Motherboard I have is asus prime z390-A LGA 1151, I have 1TB of Samsung 970 EVO PLUS M.2 SSD. I don’t remember what’s the case I have but it still has a lot of room

[blazing musk]

Ok good, you have one free M.2 slot then. I'd recommend the MP33 1TB for $56 or the silicon power A60 2TB for $120 right now.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XHMBQK3
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZQ97H3W

If you just need a ton of extra space for movies and stuff and not games there's always WD Blue, old reliable. $90 for 6TB. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07MYKZGVX

[waxen flax]

If I add A60 2TB, do I need to add anything else to make it run more smooth or will it work just fine

[blazing musk]

Nope you should just be able to pop it into the board and it'll work. Remember to initialize the new drive in disk management and create a simple volume.

[cloud kiln]

I need a USB 3.0 (USB A, and maybe C compatibility) SSD for use for storing a VM or 2 for my classes

Budget is ideally under $100 CAD

[sour wadi]

try crucial x6

[cloud kiln]

Damn everything above 500gb is above my budget lmao

Though 500gb is more than enough since it's just for practicing server and user configuration

Vm is currently hosted on this $10 usb stick from Walmart and it's arguably worse than a good hdd

[sour wadi]

could do this https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08WZ5F86P?tag=pcp0f-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
https://www.amazon.ca/Enclosure-Beikell-Tool-Free-10Gbps-Adapter/dp/B0BGS3NZ4C/

fr 1tb

or even stick a 500gb drive in there might work out cheaper and more pef

perf

[cloud kiln]

Yeah 500gb should be good, rather have speed than capacity in this instance, also spending a bit less would be ideal lmao

Hmm the mp33 512gb is currently on sale on Newegg.ca for $40 and $5 shipping (sold and shipped by newegg)

Hmm the mp33 pro is $76 with $10 shipping

Yeah mp33 it is lmao

[sour wadi]

Both x6 and the a60 probably would be unnoticeable really

[cloud kiln]

Hmm, looks like Newegg also has a m.2 nvme enclosure for $25, the maiwo m.2 name ngff ssd enclosure

Usb 3.1

Looks like the same enclosure as the one you linked to me

Slightly different colors, but base design seems the same, so I'll probably get that and the mp33 512gb

[sour wadi]

Yeah they're all basically the same

[craggy heath]

Well priced 1tb M.2

[blazing musk]

MP33

[blazing musk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/64MTwP,LvGbt6/

[craggy heath]

is the regular mp33 load games like rust quickly

[blazing musk]

Yeah the pro is a slight improvement but the regular is perfectly fine

[craggy heath]

ok, ill prob get during black friday or cyber monday

i was planning on buying/upgrading parts like a new case, ssd, cpu cooler

[blazing musk]

That current $56 is the lowest we've seen the MP33 ever

[craggy heath]

hmmmm, i've dont got the money till next week tho

[blazing musk]

Fair nuff then

That's consistently the best value SSD no matter when you buy anyway (in the US)

[craggy heath]

i mean if it goes up by like 5 dollars, its fine

ok ty for your help

[fringe mesa]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/solidigm_61tb_ssd

[turbid crater]

but how expensive will that be several thousand?

and who is gonna buy a 30 or 61 tb ssd anyways.

[fringe mesa]

Hard to say. Depends on demand, how much they can produce, and if their intentions are to take over the storage market. Obviously, first run will always be expensive. Then price will drop as generic clones hit the market. Since I'm seeing new articles on how one can make their own M2s, they may not be that expensive, at least the 10tb models.

I would definitely buy. My Z390 server ran off of 14 SATA drives totaling 140tb.

[cloud kiln]

i mean, generic clones.... that depends on if the cloners can even make the nand flash lmao

bulk of the cost probably is just in the nand so

it's likely HDDs will still be the de-facto choice for cold storage solutions
hmm, what about tape lmao

[fringe mesa]

I was looking at 1tb chips, similar to what M2s use on Digikey, with a price tag of $25. Was thinking of trying to build my own, then realized to do that, I'd have to write an OS, something I know nothing about. Making game mods is one thing, but memory os, that's way beyond me.

[cloud kiln]

hmmm

is it called an OS?

[fringe mesa]

It's actually called something else, but unfortunately for me, I have some damage that stops me from recalling things. Can see it clearly, so substitute what comes close to describe it. That's why half of what I say, doesn't always make sense. It makes sense once I finish what I was working on, which is funny, as some of my employers tell me I should have said so I the first place lol.

[cloud kiln]

honestly a mood lmao

i think you meant firmware? i have no idea if there is any additional code or whatever though

[fringe mesa]

Thank you!!! Yes, firmware!!

[cloud kiln]

lmao

happens to the best of us

[fringe mesa]

Just like late 1980s in order to use an SFD1001 or a LTKernal 20mb hard drive on a C64, you had to buy an interface from Skyles Electric Works that had the firmware so both hard drive or sfd could communicate. This seems to be for any drive, including NVME.

I ran a BBS off a C128d and then multi user Amiga 1985-1995, using C-Net Amiga. BBS died out when world wide web took over.

I could always build the electronic side, but always fell short on the code, mostly because I got distracted.

My kids now doing what I did long ago, but not exactly as I expected. My daughter who built her first I7 server, switched to art design, and my son just out of the blue, suddenly built his Z690 recently. Only difference between his system and mine, about 80tb of storage space. If I could make an NVME to store at least minimal 10tb, and fast like the fury, that would be awesome.

Bbl, wife a callin. She is strong In the force. Things tend to take flight when angry lol.

[blazing musk]

Data centers that need to pack as much info into as few servers as possible

[fringe mesa]

We all know about the fake 11 and 18tb hard drives for $100+, but figured I mention the scammers got very creative doing an old eBay scam. You will see the hard drives on Amazon with 200+ posative ratings to trick the unwary into thinking it's real. Those votes were for a cheap $1.00 item so after 200+ gave good ratings for junk, they jacked the price up with a relisting and swapped photos so people will pay $100 for a fake 11tb drive, and the seller like Happy Shopping runs with the money.

Took screenshot

Didn't want to post link and have someone get ripped off not reading my warning, so this safer.

[fringe mesa]

I have done work for loss prevention both retail and state for many years. Even taught my kids how to avoid getting scammed. The above upsets me a lot, because we're nearing the holidays, and many people are still struggling since the pandemic. I can easily see many kids or young adults not street smart as the saying goes, and desperate because their computer OS drive is dying or already died, sees not just the large storage for fraction of a price which many experienced PC owners would know it's a scam immediately, but because they see over 200+ feedback, believe they actually have a chance to get a real 11 TB drive, not knowing unless they read the feedback, that it's for another item. Scammer only edited the image they are hosting on their own server, and edited the info. The above is getting yanked as I type this. Hope no one lost money.

[turbid crater]

I meant for normal gamers

[fringe mesa]

People who travel far from home, especially people with children, like downloading a lot of TV shows and movies (Legally) to portable computers or portable TVs to entertain family while on the road where there is no internet, or to avoid high roaming data charges. A few good high definition movies can take up 1TB quite easily. People like buying digital downloads now a days instead of hoarding 100+ movie DVDs on their shelves. A 10tb NVME SSD would be perfect for that type of application. It's not just faster with no lag spikes, there's no moving parts to cause a platter to scratch while driving on bumpy roads.

Come to think of it, a new HD format of The Stand I believe was 86gb. Need to double check, but I know Im close.

I purchased all the old doctor who seasons, prior to the 2005 reboot. Took up almost 2TB drive space.

Only one not happy about me downloading 2tb of info was my provider lol.

The only TV show/movie I want so badly that I never see sold in the USA is BBC The Tripods, Seasons 1 and 2. So many want that show, yet BBC never bothered to remaster it and sell on HD.

Actually, add Blake's 7 to that list.

Way movies and TV shows are sold now a days, it will most likely turn out, that a 20TB drive will be standard in most homes in only a few more years

I refused to get Dish Network almost 10 years ago, when they wanted an extra $100 a month, just to add a 250gb DVR, and no options to save to my computers hard drive.

[waxen flax]

Thanks for the help, sorry for the late reply

[turbid crater]

Is the solidigm p41 plus 2tb nvme for 110 a good deal

[sour wadi]

Yes

Very

[brisk dome]

For sata drives QLC had issues iirc, is that less of a problem with nvme drives?

maybe it was QLC specifically without dram cache, idk

[azure moat]

Anyone have any HHD recommendations? I'm looking for mostly long term file storage but also some space for the miscellaneous game library

[kind sierra]

It's more the type of QLC. Old QLC was pretty bad, but the new high layer count chips are significantly better. Still not as good in terms of raw performance or longevity as comparable TLC, but it's usable

[brisk dome]

got it

[turbid crater]

how big?

[azure moat]

I think I'm looking around 10TB, maybe a bigger if theres a good deal

[turbid crater]

gl. i never own anything bigger than 5tb. only companies i know is seagate and western digital

[azure moat]

Haha me neither, any preferences with those two? sku wise or whatever?

[turbid crater]

whatever is cheaper lol

[azure moat]

Fair enough

[turbid crater]

what u need it for movies tv shows anime stuff like that

[azure moat]

I have a ton of old docs and a bunch of steam games that I dont play often enough to put on ssd but would like to have downloaded

[small carbon]

Wd black is good & I have the 6TB which was $95 on sale lol. Wd Blue is probably 5400rpm for instance & mainly lower warranty, but generally quite cheaper than the black 7200rpm models. There's other models I'm not sure about also, wd red, wd gold. Glance at Toshiba X300 also. 👍

[red jay]

man i only got a 250gb ssd and 2tb hdd 😭

[turbid crater]

Wait til next week

[red jay]

why?

[azure moat]

Black friday sales are coming up

[red jay]

will cpu and gpu prices drop?

i dont got any money saved up and if theyre low i might have to take a loan

[blazing musk]

CPU maybe but I wouldn't count on GPU much. Maybe a small discount.

[azure moat]

Older ones maybe but I highly doubt anything new

[blazing musk]

Definitely not the new gens yeah. They still can't keep them in stock so why discount them?

[red jay]

what about the ryzen 5 5600

[blazing musk]

Might see that close to $100

[turbid crater]

It was like 119 a few weeks ago

[azure moat]

Yeah those have seen some pretty good sales already

Not sure why I'm still running my 2600x tbh

[turbid crater]

@red jay u building a new pc?

[red jay]

£135 online

[red jay]

yuh, i got the case but no other stuff

[blazing musk]

I upgraded from a 2700 to a 5800X and doubled my fps in CPU heavy games

[red jay]

my current pc is working off an i3 with intergrated graphics 😭

[blazing musk]

Definitely a good time to upgrade that 2600X

[azure moat]

Honestly looking for HDD first

[turbid crater]

What gpu u looking at

[red jay]

6650xt

[turbid crater]

Why not 6750xt for 400 next week?

[red jay]

i dont have the money for it

i dont know if im able to take a loan because im under 18

[azure moat]

I don't know of any banks who loan to under 18

[red jay]

i dont think any do, i might ask relatives

see if i can get a loan from em

[azure moat]

And as fun as gaming is, I'm not sure it worth loan payments. Unless youre using the power for income or something

[red jay]

oh im only taking loan for black friday

to see if i can genuinely save alot

[turbid crater]

Christmas

[red jay]

just finna put a 6650xt on my wishlist XD

grandparents come in clutch

[turbid crater]

Nice. I will pay everything myself budget around 1500 before tax. 4 my pc build im building a 4k gaming pc 5600 and 6800xt i will only get the gpu and cpu that comes with free games

[red jay]

6800 does 4k?

[turbid crater]

Friend has 6800xt does 4k60 in most games

[red jay]

nicee

[blazing musk]

I was able to get a line of credit from a jewelry store at 16, but they'll want to see income for a loan

[turbid crater]

As a teen no such luck. Teenagers depend on parents for income for the most part

I will probably start ordering my parts on sunday

[red jay]

If I wanna go for NVME whats my best $/perf option rn, more so on the budget side tho

if 1TB can be had for around 60 (which I assume is a no) then sure, otherwise 512 is fine

[turbid crater]

R u gonna use nvme as a boot drive and whats ur budget 4 nvme drive?

[red jay]

65 buckaroonies

and yeah, boot drive

dont use windows so boot times arent much concern tho

[minor sun]

P41 plus 1tb for 60$ rn

[red jay]

that works out perfectly

thanks a bunch

[red jay]

actually mb, I do ask, I'd be going from a regular T-Force Vulkan, would this be slower? considerably? or nil/faster

[minor sun]

The Vulcan sata drive? it's a decent sata drive, p41 plus is a lot faster seq and a bit better rnd, while moving files around, it'll be considerably faster, in general tasks like loading games, it'll be a bit faster, but may or may not be noticable

[red jay]

okay cool, assumed that the P41 would be low end nvme so

Wanted to make sure I wasn't down grading in speed

Good to know I'm not

[minor sun]

nah it's pretty mid-range

low end is like mp33, and that's still faster than sata drives seq wise

[red jay]

Guess I just assumed NVME was far more expensive

[minor sun]

only the really really crappy nvme drives are worse

[minor sun]

True a year ago, not so true nowadays

[red jay]

Good to hear then

[minor sun]

Technology goes on

[signal lotus]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B09QV692XY/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1

ig this is a good deal?

[sour wadi]

thats pretty standard pricing

only a lil bit of a discount

[turbid crater]

Check kingston nv2 or solidigm p41 plus in ur region @signal lotus

[cloud kiln]

can confirm it is fast

formatting disc

[red jay]

i really need to save some cash on storage, ive got £60 for storage and i need atleast one HDD and one SSD.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FnYmP6/kingston-nv2-1-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-snv2s1000g
this any good?

[sour wadi]

It's a fine drive, nice for 52 quid tho

[dawn sand]

What does directstorage optimized for gamer bar do

[blazing musk]

Directstorage is only supported in 1 game I know of so far. It streams the assets straight from the disk to the GPU memory, skipping the CPU and RAM. Theoretically it can improve load times but the effect is small so far in practice.
The PS5 does something similar, that's why it really strongly recommends a gen 4 SSD and tests your speed.

[dawn sand]

Oh

[blazing musk]

Seems they have an update for it coming too that improves things. Maybe devs will be more willing to use it with actual benefits now. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directstorage-1-1-coming-soon/

[real lava]

avocadoes ready in only 0.8 sec

[formal tusk]

The only way you want it tbh

[dawn sand]

[gray wyvern]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BVWm78

Is this ssd in here worth it

I think it went up in price

[turbid crater]

Will samsung 980 pro work with motherboard with m2 heatsink

[cyan needle]

If you got a m.2 nvme without a heatsink: Yes, it will work with your motherboards heatsink.

If you got a m.2 nvme with pre-installed heatsink: No, it will not work with your motherboards heatsink. However, you can just leave the motherboard heatsink off since the nvme already has one.

[dense merlin]

P41 is the same price now

If spending $170 on ssd, get p41

Otherwise a60 2tb is $120

[sour wadi]

Anyone have a review on the mushkin tempest? Its looking pretty cheap at 50$? for 1tb and 110 or something for 2tb

[minor sun]

Looks like a decent above average hmb drive from specs alone

[turbid crater]

What is the premium m2 ssd? Samsung 980 pro?

For pci 4.0x4

[dense merlin]

P41 or sn850x

They are indisputably the two best gen 4 drives afaik

[real lava]

980 pro is premium but overpriced for what it is

[turbid crater]

Thx.

[empty juniper]

Should i steall the ssd out of my xbox lol

I kinda need the storage

All tho i Should prob just spend 30 bucks on a ssd

Idk

[cursive sleet]

I been wondering for a SSD upgrade a Kingston KC3000 it's a good option?
The another options around that price point it maybe Adata Legend 850, WD Blue SN570 or XPG Spectrix S40G... Any comment about it?
I had one S70 Blade but got faulty pretty fast so i don't wanna deal again all that.

[turbid crater]

dont do that. That would destroy ur xbox if its a series x. I would just buy a new sdd.

[empty juniper]

Destroy is a strong word

[turbid crater]

Which xbox

[empty juniper]

Series s im aware i won't be able to use it without the ssd

[turbid crater]

U do know that if u attempt to open up the xbox u will destroy any hope of xbox replacing it for u

[empty juniper]

Bruh

Ive taken my xbox's apart multiple times

[turbid crater]

I never opened up my xbox at all ever

[empty juniper]

And thats not legal that lil sticker doesn't mean sqaut

[empty juniper]

To clean and repaste

Thx for looking out tho

[turbid crater]

I dont open it up to clean. I just use air duster on the outside

@empty juniper how big a ssd do u need and is this a nvme ssd that u need

[empty juniper]

Preferably above 512gb but ik what ima get

If i do end up buying one

[turbid crater]

Solidigm p41 back order on newegg for 2tb at 110usd

[blazing musk]

This is all I could find, from a Newegg review. Not too bad for a TLC HMB drive. Too bad it's only a 3 year warranty.

[red jay]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bQYvcb
good storage price?

[empty juniper]

Not a bad build but u can do without thermal grizzly

And that riser

[dense merlin]

no

p2 isn't good

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/64MTwP/team-mp33-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6001t0c101

mobo will almost 100% come with the riot bios

[empty juniper]

What wrong with p2?

[dense merlin]

it's a terrible ssd

just all around

[empty juniper]

Yea and cooler isnt that needed

[empty juniper]

Good to know lol

[dense merlin]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/T7bmv3 fixed

[empty juniper]

Much better

Riser still bothers me lol

But if u want it go for it

[dense merlin]

seconded

[real lava]

ah don't give him 6700xt

it's that guy who looks at techpowerup's relative performance numbers

[empty juniper]

LMAOO

Nah keep the riser actually

[cursive sleet]

It's that relevant going for a higher end SSD? I'm between a Kingston NV2 or SN350 or just going for a KC3000 the price diference it's around 30%~40% but my mobo just have PCI 3.0

[hazy prawn]

What channel do I ask questions about upgrading my Hard drive for my laptop that I purchased through New Egg?

Please Private message me if anyone would like to chat about this.

[turbid crater]

Dont get kingston nv2 thats a pci 4.0. No point of getting that if ur mobo cant run it at pci 4.0 speed

[sour wadi]

Ehh not really, also I'd do this instead (wouldn't recommend vertical mounting as it's pretty bad for thermals and very expensive for what it is, secondly you get way more way better storage, more ram and a better power supply too, the cooler in that list isn't great and coolers come with thermal paste so getting more is a waste of money
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/TJbBJM
If you want a 3rd party cooler I'd get this instead
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Zr8bt6/id-cooling-se-214-xt-682-cfm-cpu-cooler-se-214-xt-argb

[sour wadi]

That's a c tier psu btw

[turbid crater]

Dont get kingston nv2 thats a pci 4.0. No point of getting that if ur mobo cant run it at pci 4.0 speed

[sour wadi]

What country

[sour wadi]

Nv2 is not gen 4 or if it is it can't even reach gen 4 speeds so

[turbid crater]

Really. Everywhere i looked says its pci 4.0 or its a selling glimick

[cursive sleet]

NV2 it's the cheapest m2 that i can find right now it's on deal, but yeah it says it's 4.0 i'm from mexico

[sour wadi]

Well then it's more of a fake gen 4 drive cuz iirc it doesn't actually do better than gen 3 speeds

[sour wadi]

Go for it then

[turbid crater]

So p41 plus is gen 4.

[cursive sleet]

I mean thats my question i should stretch the budget for something like a KC3000 (Also on deal but at $85, NV2 at $60)

[real lava]

nope

not really a need

[sour wadi]

Like i said get the nv2 then

[cursive sleet]

Thanks

[turbid crater]

Is msi m480 a good pci 4 m2 drive?

[dense merlin]

Depends on the price

Most of the time no

[turbid crater]

My bro is helping me build pc. He says either msi 480 or samsung 980 2tb

[dense merlin]

I disagree on both of those. If you're going 1tb, either mp33, nv2, or s70

[turbid crater]

Im going 2tb

[sour wadi]

Get the p41 plus if they want high end it's like 170 atm

[dense merlin]

2tb, a60, p41, sn850x, xs70

https://www.amazon.com/SK-hynix-Platinum-Internal-Compact/dp/B09QVD9V7R?th=1&psc=1

This is one of the two best gen 4 drives

980 pro is a waste of money, and the msi one is mediocre

[sour wadi]

980 pro is on sale atm but p41 plus is better

[dense merlin]

Oh yeah its what, 190?

But ye as you said, why spend more for a worse drive

[turbid crater]

Thx

[cloud kiln]

First day of class using the ssd for vms, and it has been good, could recommend.... if anybody is in the same situation as me lmao

[olive glade]

Is b & h a reliable store?

[formal tusk]

I've used B&H a couple times

What would you use 8tb for tho?

[olive glade]

Games

[formal tusk]

You could technically build a nas with 8tb for less

Or hell even a sata ssd

[olive glade]

Microsoft Flight Simulator for one example but other games as well

[formal tusk]

You don't need gen 4 for games, it wouldn't be any faster than maybe a second or two

If at that

And that's saying so including any directstorage implementation

[olive glade]

Ya can you find me a gen3
8 tb?

Current setup

[formal tusk]

Don't want to do a sata ssd?

Again, only a couple seconds at best

Or hell 2 4tb ssd's would be much cheaper

[olive glade]

Kinda depends right now, currently I only have a stat ssd and m.2 open

Both hdd are taking up both spots and really like to get rid of at lest 1 hdd

[formal tusk]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FZWzK8/teamgroup-mp34-4-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4004t0c101

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p7nypg/crucial-mx500-4-tb-25-solid-state-drive-ct4000mx500ssd1

Combination of both would save you 700$

And be pretty much equally fast

Gen 4 you want for like, 4K video editing or large file moving etc.

Not sure if I'm allowed to mention that last one lol

For games you want iops but that helps up to a point due to windows limitations

Even with direct storage the difference becomes very diminishing depending on the scenario

[olive glade]

Isn't direct windows 11?

[formal tusk]

It helps if you wanted better loading times tho

Even on more basic drives

[olive glade]

Ya I'm still on 10, skipping 11

It's this mess is why I want to a hdd, and hoping both one day

[formal tusk]

I'm reading that direct storage will also be a windows 10 thing

[olive glade]

O ok

[formal tusk]

Let me pick your brain a bit, is those few cables and a cage worth $700+?

You could get a nice new gpu or cpu for that lol

I realise it's a bit annoying but you could also stick those drives in a separate NAS

And that's also a cheaper idea