old-monitors-and-tv

[tame notch]

The thing that i think is dumb is that if you have a monitor with warranty and you crack the screen you still have to pay for it

[misty gyro]

Warranties cover manufacturer defects. Insurance covers damage.

[tame notch]

yeah my screen got cracked on its way here and they said it was still physical damage.

and that i would most likely have to pay for a repair

[old arch]

Cracked during shipping? Should've led with that. Fight them on it, you shouldn't have to pay.

[tame notch]

im telling them that and they say the same thing anyway my friend got a 300hz laptop and when he connected it to his monitor he only gets 60hz

[misty gyro]

Shipping should have been insured, file a claim with them

[tame notch]

i will

[misty gyro]

Only a displayport 1.4 or hdmi 2.1 cable will do 300 Hz btw. And both the laptop and the monitor need to support the standard.

[tame notch]

he has a 240hz monitor

it says dp 1.2 and hdmi 1.3

1.4

[misty gyro]

Ok, hdmi 1.4 maxes out at 144Hz but dp 1.2 should do 240Hz

At 1080p of course

[tame notch]

but it only goes to 60

[misty gyro]

What are you using to try to set the refresh rate?

Windows settings are garbage

[quartz sandal]

Cracked in shipping is different from you cracking it

[fading wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/outertale-suck-undertale-au-undertale-au-gif-20861559

[novel merlin]

alright having a 8 + 2 frc is WAY better than 6 + 2 frc

There's so much color

It doesn't look like the image is made out of water colors anymore

[visual pilot]

neat

[old arch]

So it looks closer to any decent cell phone, good to hear. Colors on my basic 2018 Acer are pretty bland with my phone next to it. (of course, ppi on a phone is also much higher as well)

[errant edge]

to me the color accuracy on my gaming monitor looks amazing, but thats because my last main monitor was like 50-60$

[old arch]

60Hz regardless, $120 for mine was a decent price 3-4 years ago. someday.

[errant edge]

mine was 1050p from a local pc shop about 3.5 years ago

its now a side monitor

[old arch]

Good find. Mine is a nornal 1080p 24". Will end up a secondary screen until eventually used with my current rig by a roommate or relative.

[errant edge]

i believe it was used when i bought it, was part of my first ever set up

well technichally i had a laptop before that

but first proper setup

[carmine bloom]

That Samsung Odyssey monitor looks cool. The 55" arc one

[maiden wedge]

any decent cheap ones mainly used just as a 2nd monitor? specs don't matter that much

[quartz sandal]

Sort low to high and pick a size you want/look used

[tame notch]

we tried thru nvidia and windows

[jagged dagger]

i have a 144 hz monitor but it only lets me go up to 100hz, i thought it might be the hdmi cable im using

4k

i dont have displayport

i can use it but i dont own a cord

but back when i didnt break my displayport wire

i still couldnt figure out how to go above 100hz

it wont let me send it

here

ill send it in dms

oh

@modest palm check dms

[mint brook]

@visual pilot the menace typing out a essay

[visual pilot]

@bold urchin Is g27qc your only option?

Just mobile takes a while to type :p

[mint brook]

Lol

[bold urchin]

no its just thats what everyone kept suggesting

[visual pilot]

I also change my mind often while typing

[bold urchin]

mainly the M27Q but i want curved

so the G27QC came up

im getting a 3060ti build. and 1440p was recommended. which 27" was suggested for that resolution. my only requirement is i prefer curved monitors

[visual pilot]

Eh, the price on g27qc is a bit sad

[bold urchin]

then i found the two diff G27s. asked more questions, got berated

[visual pilot]

M27q is just a great deal

[bold urchin]

well this one is supposedly a newer model G27QC for 289

[visual pilot]

G27q is different from G27qc and there might be another varient

[bold urchin]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-G27QC-Monitor-Display-Response/dp/B0927BQT33/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3EM6HDMUC98NG&keywords=g27qc%2Bgigabyte%2Bmonitor&qid=1643595963&sprefix=g27qc%2Bgigabyte%2Bmonitor%2Caps%2C58&sr=8-3&th=1

[mint brook]

Qc A?

[bold urchin]

and this is the G27QC im seeing for $364 and has slight differences in description.

[visual pilot]

Yea, haven't paid too much attention to if they changed anything

Seems like the same panel from first glance

[bold urchin]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Monitor-Display-Response-FreeSync/dp/B0927BQT33/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2YPR4ADGN52U1&keywords=gigabyte%2Bm32u&qid=1643590075&s=electronics&sprefix=Gig%2Celectronics%2C91&sr=1-3&th=1

[mint brook]

Yea

[visual pilot]

That sounds like dumb third party sellers, it should not be above 300$

300$ is a bit high for it still but meh

[bold urchin]

the newer one for 289 doesnt say freesync and says 88% DCI instead of 92% . subtle differences like that

[mint brook]

Yeah esp since m27q exists

For 300

[bold urchin]

this is also what i see when on the one for 364

shows the 289 one as a newer model

so thats the description for the 364 one with that shown right under it

im freaking lost...

[visual pilot]

Since sellers are often dumb, lets just look at info directly from Gigabyte.

[bold urchin]

ok

[visual pilot]

https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G27QC-A/sp#sp
and
https://www.gigabyte.com/Monitor/G27QC/sp#sp

[bold urchin]

they appear the same to me lol

[fickle stag]

they're the same basically

just different revisions

[visual pilot]

embed is the same for some reason, but anyways, g27qc a does advertise 88% DCI-P3 but with a higher contrast ratio

4000:1 on g27qc a instead of 3000:1 on g27qc

[bold urchin]

i reckon could one of yall pull me a good link from amazon for the one i want?

so i dont screw this up lol

i see now

[visual pilot]

No real reviews on G27qc a yet, so we don't know what specifically is actually different, but specs look fine atm

[bold urchin]

the one on amazon for 289 is QC A
and the 364 one is QC

[fickle stag]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-G27QC-Monitor-Display-Response/dp/B0927BQT33/ref=pd_lpo_1?pd_rd_i=B0927BQT33&th=1

get the qc a

its the cheaper one

[bold urchin]

so the about this item section is just lacking i take it for the QC A one

[bold urchin]

and same overall sounds like

[fickle stag]

yeah but this is cheaper

so why not get it?

289 is a good deal

[bold urchin]

well if the other was better i dont mind paying more

[fickle stag]

its not tbh

this is the a

[bold urchin]

im geting 150 off whatever i buy anyhow

[fickle stag]

the non a is worse

also different vendor

[bold urchin]

so the drop from 92% to 88% isnt important?

DCI

[visual pilot]

anyways, lets look at another options rq, super cheap end, 220$, worse color
https://www.newegg.com/black-acer-ei272ur-pbmiiipx-um-he2aa-p01-27/p/N82E16824011355

well, price on amazon for that monitor is sad so probably not

[bold urchin]

im buying the prebuilt thru newegg

but i need to use amazon for monitors to put the 150$ gift card to use

the price range is fine for the G27s

i wanna get something nice for the 3060ti

[fickle stag]

then the g27qc

[bold urchin]

i just didnt really like the feedback on that brands customer service but enough have recommended

[visual pilot]

side note, I know I remembered g27qc was cheaper, they raised the price back up half a year ago lel

[bold urchin]

lol you dont care you just want me to stop talking

[fickle stag]

nah its the truth

i have the g27qc

i like that

[sage trail]

https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Monitor-Display-Response-FreeSync/dp/B08JWCHR5N

i like dis one

[visual pilot]

g27qc for more than 300$ is a bad deal

[bold urchin]

ok

[visual pilot]

is good but they want curved

[sage trail]

so

g27qc for 289???

O_O

[visual pilot]

and yea the previous discussion was about g27qc a vs g27qc

since g27qc is listed for like 360$ on amazon and g27qc a was 290$

[sage trail]

for a 70 dollar diff? you would be a fool to get the one for 364

[bold urchin]

and i was missing the A difference

[errant edge]

Yall can't keep showing me these deals

My wallet is crying

[visual pilot]

this isn't a deal, please don't get it for 360$

[errant edge]

Laptop, ram. Soon to be laptop ram and headphones too

[bold urchin]

ok well i was just asking because there were clear differences in the description i dont understand

[errant edge]

No, for 290

Also joking

Don't need another monitor

[visual pilot]

don't for that either

[fickle stag]

im getting the m32u

[visual pilot]

g27qc at 290$ used to be normal price

[sage trail]

and 12 people told you they were irrelevant differences

[errant edge]

Ah

[visual pilot]

well, g27qc used to be like 270$

[fickle stag]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012042

such sexy

[visual pilot]

rip its in stock again

[fading wyvern]

So heads up on that

[visual pilot]

Tulip really wanted a m32u but it was always out of stock, so they bought something else

[errant edge]

I couldn't justify a 300$ monitor anyways

Let alone have a use for one

[fading wyvern]

This

[bold urchin]

no thats not at all how they approached it and wasnt 12 people. it was basically shut up and pick

[fading wyvern]

It’s not the cable it’s the actual dp connector

[bold urchin]

no one actually said there was no difference as no one figured out i was talking about QC versus QC A until we got to this channel. so ha

[visual pilot]

oh yea is true

that's why it was 8+2 bit iirc

dp 1.4 instead of 2.0

[fading wyvern]

Yeah

[sage trail]

https://www.amazon.com/AOC-CQ27G2-Frameless-Adjustable-Guarantee/dp/B0862YHJ56

lower refresh rate

[visual pilot]

don't think the other panel was true 10bit native though

[sage trail]

cheaper

bit dithering is useless

its either true 8 or 10

and even then

[visual pilot]

I was a bit confused with that seller tbh

weird price

[sage trail]

the real world differences are not noticable for normal people

[sage trail]

amazon is wack regardless of the seller imo

plus, its just 15% off

so yeah it works out to a weird price

[bold urchin]

should i get better DP cables or is what comes with the monitors ok

[visual pilot]

true

[sage trail]

what comes with the monitors is fine

[visual pilot]

just what comes with the monitor

A DP 2.0 cable does nothing if the port is DP 1.4

a better cable can't force the connector to transmit more data

[visual pilot]

tbh I don't exactly have any equipment or anything to test anything with monitors, so I tend to just use rtings definitions, and so

we consider 8-bit with dithering to be equivalent to 10-bit, as long as the 10-bit gradient looks smooth.

[bold urchin]

welp. all done. Just gotta order the prebuilt at work tomorrow

thanks for those that helped me with advice

[visual pilot]

Do note, I wouldn't do dual monitor arm like that, unless for flight sim or racing sim all the time, having to turn your head to face the main monitor can hurt your neck

[sage trail]

for anyone not chasing after perfect color accuracy in a production environment tho

anything past 8 is just

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ya kno

[bold urchin]

not sure wym i was just gonna put them side by side like at work

does that stand not work with curved or? looks like i can pull them out and line them up to just be a continuos curve

yet another thing im doing wrong

can only imagine if id just ordered what i thought looked good

[visual pilot]

I mean, typically people would do something like this, where one monitor is what would be the secondary monitor to the side with the main monitor in front of you

[bold urchin]

at the office i have it split i feel like

i see what youre saying though

[visual pilot]

Because if they're symmetric side by side, when you have content on one monitor, you'll be forced to turn your head, and that isn't exactly great

[bold urchin]

but idk how i wouldnt run into same thing with or without the stand i guess

[visual pilot]

I mean, just have one directly in front, and the other to one side

[bold urchin]

ok. and i cant do that with the stand?

[sage trail]

your neck will thank you

[sage trail]

you could offset the stand

but thats a maybe

[visual pilot]

Having to turn your head isn't nice

[bold urchin]

with these arm adjustments can i put on directly at me then not swing the other to the side at an angle? if not ill remove that from the order. i just wanted the desk space

[visual pilot]

but anyways, check if you could adjust it more, just don't have it setup as it might be shown with symmetrical monitors

[bold urchin]

i agree. makes sense. can i add that i think curved does mitigate that to an extent?

[visual pilot]

curved doesn't help in that case

having the main monitor in front of you does

[bold urchin]

either way looking between two monitors will be taxing overall id think

[bold urchin]

yes i agree. but curved versus flat allows more into your peripherial

[visual pilot]

Most of the time, you'll be focusing on one main monitor

(you can angle flat monitors too)

[bold urchin]

i can say without a doubt looking between two curved screens is way easier on my eyes than 2 flat screens.

but i hear what youre saying

[visual pilot]

generally, doesn't make much of a difference, (ignore bad scribbling)

[bold urchin]

will i be unable to point one right at me and then one off to the side with that stand? sounds like you think not

[visual pilot]

I can't really tell, I just think it should not be setup as seen in the product image

[bold urchin]

ok. im pretty sure those arm adjustments have alot of wiggle room ill return it if not

[visual pilot]

(always more factors, but imo, there is no real difference with multi monitors like that)

[errant edge]

I like the first one personally

My random comment of the hour long convo

[sage trail]

you doing racing sims?

[visual pilot]

(don't think any of us are doing 2.3 meters away but anyways)

[bold urchin]

when you pair them up side by side im looking slightly further to get to the far side of the next screen.

[visual pilot]

Larger perceived field of view, perhaps, but I don't see a difference

[bold urchin]

when theyre flat i mean

[visual pilot]

Perhaps you could angle them slightly differently for a better result

[bold urchin]

those distortion edges are inbetween your field of view for each screen with flat . that goes away between curved screens

[sage trail]

have you seen this distortion first hand?

[bold urchin]

im still on same page overall. one main screen better than splitting the diff

[visual pilot]

I personally can't tell, and theoretically, it should not be significantly enough with monitors this relatively small and this relatively close

[bold urchin]

yes when i went from flat to curved and my eyes werent literally crying at the end of a work day from strain

[sage trail]

what was your old flat monitor

[bold urchin]

i can tell the transition between screens is easier.. and theres data to prove it or they wouldnt be making them still

[sage trail]

and what curved one did you switch top

[visual pilot]

and there can be a lot more factors in that, could just be flat monitor with horrible colors or contrast or brightness and etc.

Dunno what you experienced, but there are many more possibilities

[sage trail]

im willing to bet your old monitor was locked at 50hz or some crap

or maybe brightness was too high

[bold urchin]

i know but the research backs up my experience without looking into those variables

[sage trail]

or maybe contrast was just really bad

[bold urchin]

show me one single study that says curved isnt easier on your eyes

[visual pilot]

welp, that does sound like a fun time to spend a night, count me in

[sage trail]

it does not back up your experience though...

[bold urchin]

my experience alone is anecdotal.. but when reading the studies. makes perfect sense

yes it does

[sage trail]

there are other factors that can increase/decrease eye strain

[bold urchin]

less eye strain, less neck strain because i dont have to turn as far, its all textbook to what the studies say

[sage trail]

and you are ignoring all of them

[bold urchin]

ok dude

once again, please show me a single study that says there isnt a difference in curved versus flat

you literally have to look further to see all of a flatscreen

[sage trail]

did you compare the g27q vs the g27qc, or was it some lcd panel from 2008 vs a curved panel from 2019?

[bold urchin]

i respect all advice ive been given, and this is the only thing i disagree on

i dont have these G27s yet but i do have 2 27' curved samsungs at work

[sage trail]

what are the model numbers

[bold urchin]

you an accuse my variables of not being reliable all you want

[sage trail]

and what is the model number of the flat panel you used to use

[bold urchin]

but what you cant do is show me an actual study proving me wrong. Ill go with Harvard on this one

i dont know off the top my head and you dont get to hyperfocus on that

[sage trail]

you are avioding my question

[bold urchin]

again, show. me. studies

[old arch]

Just install the stand itself more to the left or right than ususl. Boom, dobe

[sage trail]

low refresh rates and bad contrast can also cause eye strain

thats a fact

[bold urchin]

no, im not at my freaking office and dont remember the exact model number of what the tech company ordered for me

YOU are ignoring the fact zero studies back your claims, they do back mine though

[sage trail]

bro i dont need to waste my time digging up a source for this

[bold urchin]

and literally i had no issues except when using dual monitors. so i know what it was for me

[sage trail]

i sit in front of two flat panels for 6-20 hrs a day

[bold urchin]

i dont have to explain myself to you. what we have to look at are studies. not personal opinion. the studies support my side not yours on this one buddy

once again.. FIND ME A STUDY PROVING ME WRONG

[sage trail]

im not trying to prove you wrong??????

are you dense?????

im saying there are OTHER

VARIABLES

YOU ARE IGNORING

THAT THE STUDY DOESNT NOT ACCOUNT FOR

LIKE

REFRESH RATE

AND

CONTRAST

[bold urchin]

https://www.viewsonic.com/library/entertainment/monitor-curvature-explained/

[sage trail]

YES I KNOW

[bold urchin]

i literally said there are other variables,,,, and THATS NOT THE ISSUE FOR ME

and you wont take that as a response

[sage trail]

how do you know

[bold urchin]

how do you know i dont know?

like STFU or cite a study one of the two

[sage trail]

because you dont know i cant take your claims seriously lmao

[old arch]

If flat panels were so bad, curved would be a more common thing. It just happens to effect certain sensitive eyes/brain. That's what I'm noticing

[sage trail]

bro shut up about studies, im not talking about that

[bold urchin]

yes, i do know. Ive sat in eye doctors, talked to the tech service we employ to build our work PCS the whole 9

[sage trail]

im talking about your experience with your past and current monitors

[bold urchin]

so yea. i can trust what theyve said considering they know the equipment

[sage trail]

of which, all you can tell is that the only difference was flat and curved

[bold urchin]

and the studies .and my first hand experiences going to curved all support it

[sage trail]

man

[bold urchin]

first of all how old are you? because i dont wanna hear SQUAT about some 20 year old with no eye strain.....YET

you think YOUR personal experience means everyone else is wrong

[sage trail]

im a fool for trying to reason with you nevermind

oh man youre giving me a headahe

[bold urchin]

just because flat screens dont bother YOU then they must not bother others and curved screens are snake oil

like WTF

you are clearly the bias here

[sage trail]

im not talking about the panel shape dude

[bold urchin]

who refuses to look at any info besides the fact that you dont have issues

[sage trail]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE PANEL SHAPE

DUDE

[bold urchin]

im done with this stupid AF debate based solely off your personal experiences that only apply to you

[sage trail]

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MY EXPERIENCES

DUDE

[old arch]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-everyone-chill-relax-calm-down-calm-gif-17289919

[trail mauve]

Mf really still arguing about this an hour later.

[bold urchin]

and i TOLD YOU that it was going from flat to curved that made the difference for me, nothing else

yet you keep going

[trail mauve]

Then you'd be wrong.

[bold urchin]

nope, im not. the tech company who runs our server and provides the monitors,, the eye doctors and all the legitimate university studies agree with me

[trail mauve]

Alright dude, then why are you still here?

[bold urchin]

just because its not an immediate difference for others doesnt mean its not for me

[trail mauve]

Buy your thing and go away.

[old arch]

Anything under around 32" and depending on distance from monitor, actually curved screens were a bit of a gimmick

[bold urchin]

why did you jump into the convo for no reason>

[visual pilot]

@bold urchin Welp, only found a single study, so time to take parts out of it for use in this discussion
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5049768/
To start, it does seem to point towards curved (1000r specifically) being statistically significantly better than flat at NPA/NPC before and after, but considering the sample size was 20, there can be improvements upon the study, but onto the next parts.
I'll just quote the summary of all the charts
Table 1:

There was no significant change before and after the visual tasks in all types of monitors.
Table 2:
There was no significant change in saccadic movements in all types of monitors.
Table 3:
The total subjective symptom score was higher after the visual tasks for each monitor. The score for “eye pain” was significantly higher with the flat monitor versus that with the 1000R curved monitor.
With table 3 including 9 different symptoms, all other being similar in score between all monitors.

[sage trail]

bro i didnt really wanna say this that stuff is designed to sell monitors

[bold urchin]

theres no inbetween here, theres nice helpful ppl...then flatout rude aholes

[sage trail]

all those "studies"

[bold urchin]

yep harvard needed to do a study to sell more monitors

[trail mauve]

wants help, doesn't accept help.

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cartoon-chicken-funny-dance-gif-14242277

[bold urchin]

yall really dont get it, i literally could not work anymore until i went with curved. all sorts of contrast changes none of it works

[bold urchin]

i never asked for help about curved monitors now did i. i asked for help with everything but that

thats my one requirement is curved

the rest i gladly listened on

[trail mauve]

You could just bend a regular monitor in half.

And it could be semi curved.

Ez

[bold urchin]

the last part seems pretty fitting to what i said my issue was

i never said everything changed across the board.. but those who experience eye strain, experienced it significantly less from curved vs flat

the link i sent earlier referenced a harvard study it wasnt just a random blog article

[visual pilot]

Now, to the flaws of the study, first off,

the viewing time with the monitors was about 30 min.
Not very long term for scaling
Second,
used only one brand of monitor that is 32 inches wide
This puts flat at a disadvantage considering typically 32in+ monitors would be curved since that is when it starts to make a difference.
Lastly,
examiner observed the subjects during the visual tasks to ensure a constant distance from the monitor.
I believe that proper positioning of the flat monitor may affect this study

[bold urchin]

"the human eye actually produces a field of view with a forward-facing arc, with parts of the field of view extending out to the sides. This is also known as peripheral vision. This curvature is said to be similar to a curvature rating of 1000R." total mumbo jumbo for marketing. my eyes arent flat

[bold urchin]

yes that study clearly admits it needs more detail

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303535201_66-2_Comparison_of_Flat_and_Curved_Monitors_Eyestrain_Caused_by_Intensive_Visual_Search_Task

[visual pilot]

In general, I don't believe the study is conclusive, and I was just looking around on pubmed, didn't see the harvard study, guess its not on there for some reason.

[bold urchin]

no no i appreciate youre response and atleast entertaining the idea

thank you

[visual pilot]

It suggests benefits of curved monitors, but well, it may be different for you versus for sassy or me

[bold urchin]

i literally sleep with my eyes open... as a result a protective film forms over them naturally (per the eye doc) and as a result light particles hit that film and scatter. i wear sunglasses religously outside and even with the film washed off still sensitive

i had eye drops but they just made it worse because eyes got addicted to the drops

[visual pilot]

You're welcome, but well, that is more of an unpopular opinion when it comes to monitors

[bold urchin]

i get that. its a very mixed subject. some love them some hate

watched one review the guy ended up liking them alot but it took two weeks to not see curved lines.. i never had those issues. it just works for me

[visual pilot]

I don't like eye drops either, reliance on something to offset something wrong instead of trying to fix what is wrong isn't the best idea

[bold urchin]

i think its perfectly reasonable that some may see no difference, while some may see a dramatic change

[visual pilot]

Everyone is different in some way

But well, something like eyedrops should be temporary solutions, not permanent ones anyways

[bold urchin]

yea and theres no fixing this one i dont think. muscles in my eyelids didnt work right, so theyre essentially pinned open with almost a spring tension lolol. i can blink etc fine. but when i fall asleep and body relaxes, boop they come open lol

scared the heck out of quite a few people. and its hard to sneak up on me because my eyes pick up the movement and wakes me up most the time

but yea. thank you for the clarification on the discrepancies between those two amazon listings man. truly appreciated

theyre officially ordered and otw lol cant wait

[visual pilot]

You're welcome, the monitors should be pretty fun to work with

[bold urchin]

im sure theyll be great

yall seem to really like that brand and one mod had the G27s and said he really liked them

so while some may think a 27" curved is dumb, not everyone does. i see triple 27s quite often for racing sims too both flat and curved setups

[visual pilot]

To be honest, its mainly that the gigabyte m27q is a great monitor, alongside m28u and m32u, so they get a bit of prestige when it comes to their other monitors, which are good, but nothing special

27in curved makes a lot of sense for racing sims and flight sims tbf

[bold urchin]

on top of the fact i already love my pair at work

as a racing/flight sims are definitely something id like to have one day.. Id like to try VR too tho

[bold urchin]

id assume the m28u and m32 are stepping up from 1440p?

dont be giving me more options. its too late now lol. jk jk

[visual pilot]

They're 4k144hz monitors, they're also 700$

[bold urchin]

ok yea lol thought so

no need in that for the 3060ti prebuilt

thanks again for your help

i know one thing. no matter what i get itll be less strain across the board than using this dang laptop

cant wait, havent had a personal gaming PC in a very long time now

[visual pilot]

Once you go PC you can't go back >:D

[bold urchin]

im sure

idk what exactly happened in my highschool years. never shoulda gone to laptop

btw i got those 2 G27s for 534 after tax lolol

no wait sorry

470* after tax

[visual pilot]

Pretty neat

[bold urchin]

150$ amazon gift card literally just to sign up for their rewards card.

then they offered 18 months payment plan interest free which really seems too good to be true but thats what it said

i dont need it, the PC build was the hard purchase. but might as well take advantage. was 513$ after stand and tax and just have a min payment of 26$. ima pay it off faster tho

[visual pilot]

There's other payment plans from people like quadpay too but well, typically you shouldn't do long term payments for something this small

[bold urchin]

only reason i did is because its truly interest free. just to give myself breathing room. im gonna pay more like 100$ each month not 26

affirm and any other plan that long would have high interest

honestly not sure why amazon offers that lol.

[visual pilot]

(It incentivizes you to pay more in the long run and may make you forget about your overall financial situation when making new purchases)

[bold urchin]

thats the thing, if its interest free how do i pay a single cent more?

am i missing something?

like its really 0% interest rate

[visual pilot]

Say you have 500$ in the bank account, you want to buy something for 300$
If you buy the 300$ monitor straight away, you see you have 200$, and don't make other big purchases
If you pay in installments, pay 50$, see you have 450$, you may treat yourself to more items

[bold urchin]

i did it because if i have a unforseen emergency then the min payment is easy, not because i need a plan that lon

[bold urchin]

ohh ok

thats fair

Im not like that though, I used the amazon credit as well so either way i used the limit

i need to build some credit. i learned the hard way that never gettng in debt doesnt help credit so i gotta start smalll

[visual pilot]

Just keep it in mind, their goal is to get your to spend more, and paying in installments can be an illusion of financial security

[bold urchin]

i coulda either just put it on the CC balance, or take their special financing option

honestly im not sure if that used my limit since it was as special finance option, my credit limit was 500 and clearly just spent more

if thats the case youre 100% right

theyll let me pay the 26$ a month AND still have a 500$ credit limit i bet is what it is

so i feel you there. solid advice

i dont plan on making any other purchases period anytime soon. Thanks for looking out though

[visual pilot]

You're welcome, take care

[bold urchin]

basically how it went down was i was browsing amazon, saw an offer for 150 gift card if i apply for the Visa rewards amazon credit card.. said its free no annual fees or anything. So i did it and got approved lol now here we are

its actually a surprisingly good card when used right. it could have a 22% APR if used wrong though.

and you too man!

[visual pilot]

:)

[summer tiger]

is there any monitors that are better than the gigabyte g27f for the same price (1080p, 144hz ips 1ms)

[quartz sandal]

Personally wouldn't recommend any 27" 1080p monitor

[bold urchin]

@visual pilot here's my work setup. Phillips brand actually idk why I thought Samsung lol.

[visual pilot]

Pretty neat

[bold urchin]

I just ordered a pair of G27QC A's for 289$ each. Little more. Amazon is offering a 150$ gift card simply for signing up for their rewards credit card thing. Which is free.

[bold urchin]

I like them alot. Nothing appears curved or distorted to me like people say. I think that's people who need longer to get used to it, or maybe sitting too close or at wrong angle

I can see everything without turning my head. Just looking side to side 🤷.

Depending what I'm doing sometimes I focused on one monitor. Alot of times i have to be glancing between both tho

[visual pilot]

Yea, like having one monitor in front of you, in front of keeb, that you mainly look at, and you only have to strain your neck when looking at the secondary monitor

[bold urchin]

Yea. With my desk overall it's very minimal. Made it far more comfortable than when I had 2 flat ones. But that's me personally

[visual pilot]

I feel like an issue with doing flat monitors at that distance is that it's too abrupt of a turn, I feel like flat monitors would be better a bit further from where you would be

[bold urchin]

Yea. They're definitely still usable. I'm just at a bit of a disadvantage being more susceptible to eye strain etc

[visual pilot]

fair

[bold urchin]

So I have one last random question about the monitors I ordered..I'm definitely not backing out. But, regarding the model discussion yesterday

We were looking at G27QC versus QC-A.

When I look up comparisons it seems to be only G27Q versus QC. No A. ... Is the A model like super new still?

And maybe the Q came before QC.. now we have QC-A yet to be reviewed thoroughly?

Not changing my mind that's for sure. I'm sure what I've ordered will shatter my expectations. Im just watching content to keep me hyped and pass the time while I work lolol

[visual pilot]

G27qc A is pretty new

Q is a completely different panel from QC, thats a flat IPC panel versus curved VA panel

[fast veldt]

I’m really coming to terms that displays are a real rabbit hole when trying to figure out what will work best, but without knowing it because you haven’t used it.

[quartz sandal]

Apart from seeing it yourself, best thing is an rtings or hw unboxed review

[summer tiger]

where i live the g27qc A is $100 more expensive

[summer tiger]

well my gpu isnt powerful enough to run a 1440p and im using it as a secondary tv as well

[old arch]

The main possible issue is just the ppi. If you not super close or susceptible to noticing lower ppi, a 1080p 27" might be fine. 1080p at 24" was the standard for a long time.

[bold urchin]

Here it's the opposite. The QC-A was the cheaper option. 289$ for it... Or 364$ for the QC

Per what I read the QC-A is just the newer model. The only QCs I saw on Amazon only had one seller and two left in stock..so idk

[summer tiger]

for me the g27f is $310 and the qca was $430

[bold urchin]

Oof the F is only 1080

[summer tiger]

yeah i dont want 1440p

my gpu cant run it

[old arch]

Tbh imo a 1080p monitor shouldn't be near $300, but oh well.

[summer tiger]

australian dollars

[bold urchin]

And you're converting to get the $430 American?

[summer tiger]

no its 430 aud for the other one

all the pirces i have been saying are in aud

[old arch]

Oops

[bold urchin]

Why can't a 3060 run a 1440p monitor?? I'm getting 3060ti and per what people in here said it's ideal for 1440p

[summer tiger]

3060 mobile

[bold urchin]

Laptop?

[summer tiger]

its the same power as a desktop 2060

[summer tiger]

yes

[bold urchin]

So 430 aud is probably fairly close to 290 USD

[summer tiger]

prolly

i think its 70 us cents to the australian dollar

[old arch]

I'd try the g27F is I was using for movies, and/or not sit super close. People just act like the ppi is so bad but most never try it

[bold urchin]

403 aud equals 304USD. So 14 usd more than my price

[summer tiger]

yeah im also using it as a tv

thats why i wanted 27"

[bold urchin]

you can set a 27 1440p to 1080 for that stuff and still have the optimal resolution for a 27 for other stuff

But doesn't matter much with that laptop I guess.

[summer tiger]

yeah

im getting a monitor because my laptop has no mux switch

[bold urchin]

Idk what that is lol

[summer tiger]

basically i cant turn my iGPU off

unless it's on an external monitor

[bold urchin]

Gotcha. Yea that's beyond me

I only know the little bit I've learned before buying my first legit gaming PC. Haven't had a desktop since pre 2009

[summer tiger]

yeah i havent had a desktop since 2015 or so

[quartz sandal]

i see, g27f seems to be the way to go for you then

[summer tiger]

alright thanks

[static berry]

So has anyone used the MSI 32in MAG322CQR monitor before?

[bold urchin]

my prebuilt says 11400F. whats the F stand for?

[errant edge]

f means it has no igpu

[bold urchin]

its already shipped. Im just trying to learn

whats igpu?

[errant edge]

for intel, k means its overclockable, kf means its overclockable and has no igpu, f is no igpu, neither is non ocable but has an igpu

igpu is integrated gpu

[bold urchin]

oops i meant to be in gen chat sorry

[errant edge]

its a weak gpu built into the cpu, atleast for intel

amds igpus are decent

[bold urchin]

what so thats not a good i5?

[errant edge]

especially their new ones on their 6000 series mobile gen

no, its good

it has the same perf as an 11400

just no igpu

[bold urchin]

you said its a week gpu tho?

i thought the 3060ti was the gpu as well lol

[errant edge]

ok so

igpu

a gpu built into the cpu

the f means it does not have an igpu

the igpu is pretty irrelevant for you, because you have a full gpu

basically, ignore it

it doesnt matter

[median mantle]

[fading wyvern]

[remote otter]

Does anyone have suggestions for a monitor for around 350-500€? I should be able to get something with 1440p, >120Hz and 1 ms, right?

[visual pilot]

Germany?

[remote otter]

Yes

[visual pilot]

Lemme check

[remote otter]

Aight thx

[visual pilot]

@remote otter this is good
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08P6YMRP1

Corresponding rtings review
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gn800-b

[remote otter]

Looks good, could I improve the stats when pushing the budget or is that not worth it? @visual pilot

[visual pilot]

Can't get much better than 27gn800-b

144hz -> 170hz not a really big difference so

[remote otter]

Okay, and something like 240 Hz?

[visual pilot]

700$

[errant edge]

1440p 240hz hurts

Pun not intended

[visual pilot]

It tends to be around 700$

Like fi27q-x

[remote otter]

Hmm Samsung Odyssey G7 (C27G75TQSR) for 450

[visual pilot]

Sounds like it might be the 1080p g7

Because the 1440p240hz g7 is 650 euros

[remote otter]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08WJG9KNT what about this?

It says 1440p and 240 Hz, as far as I'm concerned

Oh, I think it might be 31.5"... it's rather confusing, as the name includes 27", but the product info below states "display size: 31.5 inch"

But there are definitely ones for 450: https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/27Zoll--68-58cm--Samsung-Odyssey-G7-LC27G75TQSRXEN-schwarz-2560x1440-1x_1403923.html

Just wondering whether that'd be worth it. Extra 135€ just for 144 -> 240 Hz

[visual pilot]

I'm really surprised that's 450

Wonder if it's a pricing error

[remote otter]

Well, I don't know. I just know that that's what it says

[visual pilot]

It's not bad for 450

It is VA and really curved but it is still 1440p240

[remote otter]

Yeah.. I don't think VA would be too big of a problem, viewing angle definitely doesn't really matter for me. But maybe curved would be a reason not to get it

Because I have two 1080p60 monitors which I do wan't to keep as secondary, and the curvature might be disturbing, I think

So many monitors... I can find the suggested LG 27GN800-B for 297, while I can get the HP X27q for 269

I dont know if the latter is any good, but it has 1440p165, instead of 144

for 30€ less

[quartz sandal]

I personally would go for a 1080p240hz or a 1440p144-170hz flat over curved

[remote otter]

Yeah, I definitely want 1440p

HP X27q is the cheapest 1440p165 I can find, for like 270. The cheapest 170 Hz one would be 370

[fast veldt]

With 1440p would it be ideal to stick with 27” or could I sacrifice some clearing and get a 32” panel? Just curious if it would benefit going a little bigger or if I’d hinder the pixels ability to make a crisper frame.

[misty gyro]

1440p is fine up to 32 inches

[tropic epoch]

quick question for anyone. i just got a new pc and im getting a flickering, hen the screen and font get real bright. if i toggle the hertz rating back to 30hz it goes back to normal.

the issues occurs on youtube and steam. im wondering if its maybe my graphics driver?

[visual pilot]

Or try a better cable

[remote otter]

Would I want to get 27 or 32" for non-competitive games such as RPGs at a viewing distance of around 60 to 90 cm from the monitor? Or rather what would I want to consider to decide?

[summer tiger]

would a 27 inch be alright pixel density at 1080p if im also using it as a tv and dont plan on gaming doing schoolwork with my face really close to it

[sonic lake]

Anything major wrong with this monitor that I shouldn't get it because of?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yjrG3C/asus-monitor-vs248hp

[misty gyro]

Looks like an average 1080p ips monitor to me. Might need some color adjustment.

[sonic lake]

That’s fine with me. Thanks for the input!

[old arch]

Uh, TN 60hz panel according to the Asus page

[misty gyro]

I probably saw an inaccurate product description on another page. You're probably right.

Either way, it's just an average panel

[remote otter]

Is 250 cd/m2 with 3000:1 contrast ratio or 400 nits with 1200:1 preferable?

[visual pilot]

What monitors

Because that's probably not the full picture

[remote otter]

Okay, fair enough. It’s basically the decision between any of these

And this one if I have to go that high in budget

[visual pilot]

@remote otter spec wise, HP X32, but don't have good reviews on it, from the ones that do have reviews, LG 32GN650-B.

IPS is the only thing going for x32 since no reviews, but the LG panel does have pretty good colors anyways for being va so

[remote otter]

How much of a difference would the ips panel make here compared to the va one? Is it really that noticeable?

Also, would it look weird considering that my current monitors are IPS panels?

[misty gyro]

Modern va isn't far off from ips tbh
As long as they've got about the same color gamut and they're color tuned how you like it'll hardly be noticeable

[remote otter]

So uh am I fine going with the LG one? My current monitors claim 96 and 99% sRGB covering, and the LG one 95%

While the HP one claims 99%

[misty gyro]

Close enough. With some color tuning they should blend enough to not be super noticeable

[remote otter]

Alright, the LG 32GN650-B it is.. I guess

[summer tiger]

would ips have good viewing angles

[misty gyro]

Typically yes

[summer tiger]

cool

[novel sphinx]

So I got a Samsung odyssey g5 curved 32 inch, I wanna have two screens. should I get another curved or just a flat monitor? Or just stick with one? Does anybody have two curved monitor for their setup?

[misty gyro]

That's all 100% up to preference and how you'll use it.
I have a curved 27" with a vertical flat 24". Mostly for discord and browsing while gaming.
If you get a second curved monitor of the same size you could extend the display and turn them into an ultra wide.

[maiden wedge]

i only have one or 2 questions. what is this port used for? And yes, I have searched it up before,, it's a serial port. still no slightest clue of what it's used for

[quartz sandal]

Serial port is pretty much just a legacy thing, it's for information tho not displays

[maiden wedge]

ohhh. so for getting like diagnostics or stuff like that?

[steel ridge]

It's mainly used to control stuff

Still heavily used in industrial applications like machining and what not

[quartz sandal]

Or you can use it to send/receive data

[raw ingot]

It used to be used for many things in the 90's

But now it's for medical, and industrial applications like mentioned above

[quartz sandal]

[summer tiger]

just ordered my g27f, im excited for large screen gaming

[burnt cove]

so i’m trying to get the BIOS to come up on the display, but the VGA light turns on meaning it can’t find the display, even though it’s plugged in. any fixes?

[visual pilot]

VGA debug LEDs tend to mean something about GPU

[novel sphinx]

I’m get the same 32” curved monitor and I got a 63 x 24 desk so I got more space

[worldly anchor]

Struggling to decide what monitor to get

Looking for ips panel 1440p, curved amd freesync

[visual pilot]

Curved and IPS is annoying to find

[worldly anchor]

They are indeed😂

There are a few msi and gigabyte ones but might have to up the budget to find one I like

[quartz sandal]

I'd save the crap tun of money and go VA

[worldly anchor]

Is there much difference really?

[sick plume]

for gaming?

no

except the price

big difference there

[visual pilot]

Or, flat IPS monitor for cheap as heck

[worldly anchor]

Any recommendations for ips and va

[fading wyvern]

[sick plume]

[queen tendon]

[maiden wedge]

Oh boy have I got a story for you guys

So

I have two of these monitors, one on either side of my 1080p monitor

The really old 75hz 1280x1024 Dell monitors

So, last week, while I was at college, my cat decided to jump on my setup, and knocked over one of those monitors

The LCD cracked in the middle, at the top of the screen

The crack didn't span the whole screen, just a little crack at the top

A couple dead pixels and a few stuck green

Now, this is where it gets interesting

The screen still worked so I thought "Feck it, no point getting a new one, I only have discord or OBS open on it anyway so why bother"

And I just left it as it was, with the crack

This crack was clearly visible, and I could push it lightly with my thumb and if I pushed it with juuuuust the right amount of force, the dead pixels and stuck green pixels would all jump back to life and work again

Like a bad connection or something, right?

Well. Here I am, a week later, and I got home from the ice cream parlour with my family and guess what

The whole screen

Is working fine.

No dead pixels, no green pixels, not even so much as a SIGN that the crack ever even existed

Now, my question to all of you is this

***How the HECK does that even work? Is it even POSSIBLE? The crack. Straight up. Fixed itself. In a week. And there is no evidence it ever even existed.

HOW?***

[misty gyro]

The Crack is still there. If it's a thin enough crack and you line up the pieces perfectly, the light refracts in a way that you can't see it.
The dead pixels are easy to explain too. They were caused by pressure on the screen. Remove the pressure, it goes back to normal.

[fading wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-history-history-channel-meme-gif-10744300

[maiden wedge]

The crack was a serious crack, and it was genuine damage to the LCD itself. If I pushed lightly on the crack (which I always do on an old monitor when it cracks because I want to make it worse to prevent it getting worse later. It's a pet peeve of mine.) And it was quite obvious where the damage was

I push on the same place now, and the crack doesn't reappear or anything. It's really weird.

We only own two of those monitors and I have both so it wasn't a member of the family secretly swapping a monitor

There is genuinely no evidence that the crack ever existed

The monitor gets extremely hot under use around where the crack was (it's just the whole monitor, like the backlight strips are up there and they get very very hot) so is it possible the heat somehow fused the panel back together?

[misty gyro]

The only other thing I can think of is that LCD literally means liquid crystal display. Liquids flow and it filled the crack? Certainly not something I've heard of

[maiden wedge]

I genuinely wish I'd taken a photo when it broke, but I can show you a photo of where the crack was so you can see there's nothing there anymore

[misty gyro]

That's ok I believe you lol

It's entirely possible it's a combination of heat and the crystal flowing to fill the gap

[maiden wedge]

You can see the little hole in the front layer where the cat's claw pierced the screen itself (that's what caused the damage, the screen falling over didn't cause the crack - it's the little black dot) and there was a very distinct line going from the top of the screen, through that dot, and about half an inch below the dot, and that was the crack. There were dead pixels around the crack and a lot of them were stuck green, but 90% of the pixels around the gap still functioned completely fine, there was just an odd green or black pixel here or there

It's almost like it's some hidden or secret dell technology that self-repairs the screen

Would explain why these old-ass cheapo monitors are still around even though their almost 1 and a half decades old

[misty gyro]

They really don't make them like they used to.

New does not mean better

[fair plover]

Hey all, would any of you give up curved 1080p to go to flat 1440p? Am I making too big of a deal of curved? Lol

[visual pilot]

I definitely would

[summer tiger]

why is curved even sought after?

[winged tartan]

cuz humans have a wrap around fov

[old arch]

Curved is technically more "natural" for eyes, but eh

[west orchid]

I dont

[winged tartan]

then ur head isn't normal

ok maybe i'm explaing wrong

[west orchid]

I see in 2d and my eyes can only focus on a small area

[winged tartan]

is that like a nearsighted thing?

[west orchid]

Probably

[winged tartan]

how's your depth perception?

[west orchid]

Bad

[winged tartan]

you should get that checked out

(assiming you haven't yet)

[west orchid]

I have glasses but I don't like them and they don't help much

[winged tartan]

when did u get them?

[west orchid]

Probably a year ago, I've only used them like 5 times

[winged tartan]

right, well prescriptions do change but probably not heaps over one year, and assuming you live in America or somewhere without good healthcare then it's probably not worth another trip to the optometrist

[west orchid]

I think my work covers it, I was told I don't need glasses but I find them useful if I'm playing a split screen game but all of my friends moved away for school so I don't use then often

[winged tartan]

right

[quartz sandal]

No idea

[elfin cape]

I hate curved

Impossible to put a monitor on top

[sick plume]

wall mount

[errant edge]

I love this casual call out

[winged tartan]

this is my main problem with america

[summer tiger]

i have no problems with america because i dont live there

[lunar nymph]

hey so my display has some weird issues. is there like a help chat or something i can check out?

maybe someone else has had these issues? at random times my monitors display wont completly turn off. it will act as the pc is just sleeping, and will have a dim gray look to it. also, the button to switch ports/monitor settings stops working, and if i reset my computer, it will display the bootup screen completely ripped

i only fix it by unplugging it and then it fixes it temporary

[misty gyro]

Check your connections and try another cable.
What monitor and what gpu?

[winged lava]

Will my eyes be able to tell the difference between 170hz and 240hz?

[quartz sandal]

most likely not unless playing csgo or valorant even then still nowhere near as big of jump as 60-120hz

[winged lava]

What 2k monitor would you recommend for someone with a RTX 3060

[quartz sandal]

Depends on the country but m27q is always a good starting place

[misty gyro]

3060 might struggle to hit 1440p 165Hz in moderately demanding titles

[winged lava]

My 3060 is playing BFV at high on a 2k monitor (granted atmont or can on top out at 60 frames per second)

[maiden wedge]

i am having a strange interaction with my windows HDR settings and the vulkan API in dota2; when I play the game using DX11, all the brightness settings and display appear as they should, but as soon as I switch to vulkan (as it seems to practically double my FPS), it is dim as if you have the HDR setting turned on in windows, but not actually enabled on the monitor itself

what am I overlooking?

i have the acer xb323u and i am certain HDR is working properly outside of the specific use case of dota 2 using vulkan

[maiden wedge]

ah, it appears i just forgot to put it back in 8 bit color depth

[winged lava]

https://www.costco.com/lg-ultragear-32"-class-qhd-gaming-monitor.product.100793191.html

ASUS TUF Gaming 27" 2K Monitor (VG27AQL1A) - WQHD (2560 x 1440), IPS, 170Hz (Supports 144Hz), 1ms, Extreme Low Motion Blur, DisplayHDR, Speaker, G-SYNC Compatible, VESA Mountable, DisplayPort, HDMI https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088MLC8PH/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_NB44VGQ1375NF4JNNJ6G?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Lads I need your help to tell me which monitor is better

[sick plume]

[fading wyvern]

Well looks like rtings doesnt have the specific LG in the books, but the price is pretty crazy good. Instead of the ASUS id look at the M27Q

Basically, if you need the extra $50 go for the LG, the better monitor is going to be the M27q (or the asus, it performs extremely similarly). https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/asus-tuf-gaming-vg27aql1a-vs-gigabyte-m27q/15402/19668?usage=3623&threshold=0.10

[winged lava]

This isn’t going to work out because:

1. Doesn’t have G-Sync (I have a 3060, not an AMD)
2. That’s even more expensive than the ASUS one. (My parents are trying to convince me that I don’t need to spend $330 on a gaming monitor by refusing to let me buy the ASUS one)

[sick plume]

Freessync monitors can do gsync

Also is it ur money or theirs

@winged lava

[winged lava]

Mine but they have no idea how gaming monitors work

[visual pilot]

M27q price went up, just go with the Asus panel, it's g sync compatible. @winged lava

M27q was 310$ for months previously

[winged lava]

@visual pilot this

The second reason to be exact

[visual pilot]

?

oh less than 300$

sad

@winged lava This as a compromise then
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YGZL8XF

cheapest 1440p144 ips panel I can see

If you have IPS as an option, I'd take IPS over VA, rtings review here
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gl83a-b

[winged lava]

I’ll try to convince them to let me buy the ASUS one but if I can’t I’ll get this one (and hope this one sucks so that I can prove a point and they’ll let me get the ASUS one)

[visual pilot]

280$ should be viable still

for the 1440p144 ips one Ilinked

the 1440p144 ips panel I linked should still be really good

not too sure what you were saying

[sour moss]

I’m trying to do RGB calibration that rtings has.. but hue, saturation, gain, offset all have RGB settings . Which one do I change

[misty gyro]

Hue is going to be the color

Saturation will affect color as well

[sour moss]

@misty gyro

So I only do HUE?

To 95 97 100

Leave the other 3 50 50 50?

[misty gyro]

What monitor is that? I don't think I've used one with that osd so I won't be much help probably

[summer tiger]

whats a good wallmount for a monitor that goes up and down as well as foward a bit

and tilts side to side a bit

[novel merlin]

For moral reasons I won't pick free things up like this if I don't need it/am not gifting it to someone else, but people in my area are very nice. They give out things like this all the time

[cold remnant]

I'm looking for recommendations on a 22 to 24 inch display which I will be putting on portrait mode along with my main 1440p display

[misty gyro]

Any basic 1080p monitor with halfway decent color would work honestly

[summer tiger]

$300 monitor $5 keyboard 😎

[quartz sandal]

That's why they say frames win games not keyboards win games 😎

[summer tiger]

true

all i know is it looks nicer and i get better frames than i did before

[quartz sandal]

Fps wont be better but higher refresh ye

[summer tiger]

my laptop doesnt have a mux switch

[quartz sandal]

That should mean it doesn't use the igpu

[summer tiger]

yes

[quartz sandal]

That shouldn't affect fps then

[summer tiger]

my igpu usage was at 100% when i was gaming previously

isnt anymore

and frames like 20% better

[misty gyro]

Lack of a mux means the dgpu is passing frames through the igpu to get to the integrated display. External display is connected directly to dgpu, so you can actually get more fps.

[quartz sandal]

Oh right i forgot it passes is through the igpu so dumb

[summer tiger]

i will say that it also looks better than the 32" PAL locked tv from about 2010

that was there before

[misty gyro]

PAL is 50Hz right? That sucks

[novel sphinx]

My friend got two monitor that are 244hz and his right one only gives him 165hz and the left one gives him 244hz

[raw ingot]

That's probably bandwidth limitations of the output

[quartz sandal]

Also unless he is gaming on 2 screens at once there's no point having 2 240hz displays anyway

[novel sphinx]

ok

[wet gust]

https://www.currys.co.uk/products/samsung-odyssey-g5-lc27g55tqwuxen-quad-hd-27-curved-led-gaming-monitor-black-10216753.html is this good??

[quartz sandal]

For 240£ it's pretty good yeah

[wet gust]

ok thanks

[hazy warren]

idk where to ask this so ill ask here. I recently got an MSI GE66 Raider 15inch laptop; I think? I am trying to hook it up to two of the same monitors but one of the ports is a weir displayport cable does anyone whats it called

ah nvm its just called mini displayport lol

[honest kernel]

When buying a desk mount arm/s for my monitors, do I need to make sure they can fit on the monitor? I assumed that the mount size/back on monitor was the same for all monitors. Just like how some pc parts have the same size, no matter the manufacture.

[old arch]

Most lcds have the vesa 100mm x 100mm hole format but a few have 75x75 or none. . Oh, most mounts usually are vesa 100 so should be good

[winged lava]

https://www.costco.com/lg-ultragear-32"-class-qhd-gaming-monitor.product.100793191.html
Is this monitor any good?

[quartz sandal]

Ye

[honest kernel]

Favorite 4k monitor? I have the Acer Predator 27x and I am selling it (since the 27x back hinge can't come off for desk mount arm) for another 4k monitor. I have done some research, but haven't found anything that has caught my eye. My biggest selling point is correct colors, 4k, and 27 inch.

[misty gyro]

M32U is good for the price.
It's kind of a waste going with 4k under 30 inches, you won't be able to tell the difference in pixel density from 1440p unless you're 6 inches from the screen.
M27Q is the go-to price/performance for 27 inches. Rtings does a lot of reviews for monitors, you can use the table and filter tools to find features you want.

[flint stirrup]

can i overclock my display

my samsung 1080p thing

if so, how do i

i'm going to try ocing it to 1440p

sam07d - smb2270hd

[old arch]

Uh, "LCD"s can't usually do that. They're not CRT's that let us pick any res from like 800x600 to 1600x1200.

M27Q wen't up a bit, so there's also ($280 currently)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YGZL8XF

[misty gyro]

Yeah that's uh, not how that works. You can change the resolution using DSR though, so it's rendering in a higher resolution and scaling it down.

Overclocking a display would be changing the refresh rate to above the official supported max, so it displays more images per second.

[flint stirrup]

didnt think so

i'll try it with a crt

can i try my spongebob one with composite only

most games i like are meant for crts anyway lol

[small warren]

Overclock SpongeBob

[old arch]

Composite sounds like a TV rather than a CRT computer monitor lol.

[misty gyro]

If it's an old enough crt it could use composite. 576i (30Hz) was the max I believe.

480i for the americas because that's all our devices support

[old arch]

Yeah 480i is like 1990 tv tech lol. I'd never use that for a pc. 1 of my monitors was a typical 19" I'd set to 1280x960 & just 70Hz instead of 60. No frame cap, no tearing/ghosting ftw.

[honest kernel]

Thanks mate.

[quartz sandal]

You can't overclock resolution, only refresh rate

[cunning plinth]

Are there any better 43” monitors than the vx4381-4k?

[misty gyro]

For gaming? Aorus FV43U
For color accuracy and content creation, LG C1

[winged tartan]

what would you guys reccomend for a 144hz or higher monitor at a decent price, i don't care heaps about resolution either btw

[fading wyvern]

Price range would be useful, otherwise probably the M27q or the Costco monitor ppl have been linking recently

[winged tartan]

probably below 300 aud (around 215 usd) and obs i'm in australia so i'd need to make sure i can even get it here

i could probably push a little above 300 but not by much

just had a look at that gigabyte one too btw, if that goes on sale that could be an option for sure

[fading wyvern]

Ah in that case just try to find a ips 1080p 144hz display and check it’s review on rtings.

Just anything in your budget really

[winged tartan]

k

thx dude

[misty gyro]

MSI G241/G242 is a good high refresh 1080p

[old arch]

Nice. If I had NE bucks I'd go w/ G241. Personally have some 'zon gift cards to use up. Have any other suggestions? Dang asus for having so many monitors. I know Rtings doesn't review everything of course.

[misty gyro]

They do that on purpose, so people accidentally buy the bad ones

[fading wyvern]

What do u think the $190 one is tn or va?

Hint: it’s TN

[old arch]

Yea it's the one that doesn't mention IPS haha. LG 24GN600-B seems good but has a "normal" stand. The 259QR might be a decent pick huh. I get buyers remorse and/or procrastinate on purchases, but doubt 1080p monitor prices are gonna have a big dip soon.

[old arch]

Sacrilege, but I'm trying to do Amazon this time. Any input on the Asus or this other LG? Thnx. LG doesn't mention gsync compatible at all is a small part of the hesitation. Edit: bought the Asus. We'll see how it goes. Apparently I'm back to 1-2 day shipping instead of 8 day.

[visual pilot]

Freesync means it's g sync compatible 99% of the time

[novel sphinx]

How do people capture like 4k or whatever quality on their videos?

Oops i think I asked in the wrong channel

[misty gyro]

Like when streaming? A lot of people use a capture card. You just need one that supports the resolution you want.

Most people with a nvidia gpu can just use the built in encoding feature (nvenc) and software like OBS

[novel sphinx]

Okay I’ll look into that. I wanna see how good my gpu would do

[misty gyro]

Nvenc has a pretty small impact on performance

[toxic garden]

Idk if this is the right place to ask, but anyone maybe know how to get an LG monitor to stop randomly flashing the boot up images every so often?

Can't seem to find anything on google with the same issue, most of its about the actual menu getting stuck open or activating on its own, mine is just the little information cards that show when you first turn on the monitor

[misty gyro]

Sounds like either the signal or the power is being interrupted

Check your video cable and connections, try another one if you can

Also try plugging directly into the wall instead of a surge protector

[toxic garden]

I'll give it a shot. If it is the power interrupting, it's so brief the screen doesn't even blink, just the cards pop up

[fair plover]

lol yea I goofed and got the G24C. Not as good.

[copper scarab]

Yeah, freesync is baked into the modern displayport standards.

[flint stirrup]

hey can i overclock the resolution of my spongeboob crt

[old arch]

OC any display generally means the refresh rate only. If that is an actual monitor, yes you can adjust/increase the resolution. If it's a plain old TV, no.

[flint stirrup]

oof

i guess consumer crt tvs don't have features

could adding component or hdmi help?

turning it into a monitor

or what if i put composite ports on my arcade box pc

[old arch]

Nope, that's the difference between a normal tv and a monitor. This is what I had, and it was a badass choice for gaming. Can't really change the resolution of a tv, but you can on a monitor. Most CRT monitors can do anything from around 800x600 res to 1600x1200. The only/biggest problem was being limited to a 18" screen, haha.

[quartz sandal]

Only a screens refresh rate can be overclocked, basically anything measured in hz can be as you're making it go faster than base clock but you cannot overclock resolution that is the Physical amount of pixels on the display

[flint stirrup]

smaller screen works for me tbh

[old arch]

[flint stirrup]

i have a pvm that i'm not sure if a tv or moni

sony trinitron

it might not be a pvm

[old arch]

Sony made trinitron tv's and monitors btw. Generally anything over 19 or 21" is probably a tv. Good for console games, but not for pc games.

[flint stirrup]

okay i think it was 19 or 21

more likely 21

also my arcade box pc is just that

an emubox

[old arch]

hmm idk, but most older tvs (crt) were 480i resolution aka basically stuck at 640x480. Wish I kept my old monitors. Would've been neat to have side by side w/ a modern lcd in some benchmarks/games

Can you post the model number? Im curious.

[errant edge]

chat name change pog

[sage trail]

old one was more concise, but specifying monitors and TVs is easier for morons to digest

who dont know what the word display means

i mean technically watching youtube is television

regardless of the type of display you are watching it on

whoops i had an assignment due just now rip

[flint stirrup]

sb035

heck the term youtube comes from cathode ray tube

therefore losing its meaning now

[fast veldt]

I like the resolution, the speed and hertz. I’m just worried that this monitor isn’t all that great when I see a good amount of negative reviews.

[quartz sandal]

It's fine usually overpriced tho

[sage trail]

FI27q-x is 700

and its not curved

[quartz sandal]

Gigabyte monitors

[sage trail]

its good i swear

[quartz sandal]

Am aware and agreeing

[sage trail]

LMAO im on mobile i thought it was the angery face

[quartz sandal]

Tbh i stg they made emojis smaller on disc mobile

[fast veldt]

Found the monitor for 708 new

[dusk bear]

THIS CHANNEL GOT RENAMED

Ell oh ell

[wild coral]

TripleA#7559 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

TripleA#7559 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[orchid latch]

So I have a 165hz monitor but for some odd reason it flickers graphically

What causes that?

Because in HDMI it's fine

[visual pilot]

When does it do that?

Need a lot more context

[orchid latch]

Randomly

[visual pilot]

Is it having trouble when using dp?

[orchid latch]

Seems like it

[visual pilot]

What GPU?

[orchid latch]

r7 370

Like this for example

Even my cursor looks weird

[visual pilot]

Tried a different dp cable?

[orchid latch]

I just bought one

[visual pilot]

Is this the new one..?

[orchid latch]

Yes

[visual pilot]

If everything else is the same, then it's possible the issue is either with the cable or the port

[orchid latch]

What do you mean everything else?

[visual pilot]

If drivers was the issue, it should've showed up while using HDMI, so assuming there were no issues while using HDMI

[orchid latch]

I lowered the hz to 120 and aside from the cursor so far so good

[visual pilot]

Btw what version dp cable did you get?

[orchid latch]

From best buy

[visual pilot]

I'm guessing 1.4 so probably fine on that front

[orchid latch]

I think the cable I bought goes up to 120hz

[visual pilot]

Are you at 1080p or 1440p

[orchid latch]

1080p

[visual pilot]

Weird then, dp 1.2 would be able to do that fine

[orchid latch]

The box only said 120hz though so that could be why

Like "4K HD resolution at 120hz displays"

[visual pilot]

Bandwidth works differently

4k120hz is enough bandwidth for smth like 1080p360

Dp 1.2 does less, but 4k60 should still be enough bandwidth for 1080p165

[orchid latch]

Bandwidth is 21.6gbps

[novel sphinx]

Is it better to use HDMI or Display port?

[visual pilot]

Both work just fine, sometimes DP will have more bandwidth and therefore you may need dp for g sync and such, but otherwise, doesn't really matter

[misty gyro]

In my experience, hdmi cables that can support higher resolutions and refresh rates are hard to come by, at least the ones that actually meet the required standards.

A lot of hdmi cables that claim to support higher standards are designed for lower standards, but someone plugged one in and said "hey it has more bandwidth than we thought" and completely ignored the other parts of the standards.

[grizzled marten]

https://www.costco.com/lg-ultragear-32"-class-qhd-gaming-monitor.product.100793191.html

or

https://home.woot.com/offers/acer-31-5-curved-wqhd-gaming-monitor?ref=w_cnt_lnd_cat_pc_1_4

[tribal citrus]

[marble crag]

Hi, I just got a new Dell XPS 15 (9510) and purchased two S2721HGF 144Hz monitors. I trying to find a hub, or dock that would allow me to use one thunderbolt port for the two monitors. Is that possible? Any recomendations?

I've seen a lot of them that run at 60Hz, but would like something better if possible

[misty gyro]

I really hope you didn't spend 2k on a laptop with a 3050

[marble crag]

Sorry, whats a 3050?

Nvidia, yes i did

is it junk?

[sick plume]

💀

[misty gyro]

3050 is the lowest current model

For 2k you could have gotten a 3070 that's way better

Anyway here's your dock, it claims 4k60hz so it should do 1080p144hz
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hyperdrive-gen2-12-in-1-usb-type-c-hub-docking-station-silver/6449547.p

[marble crag]

unfortunately i didn't know better, thanks

[misty gyro]

Sadly there's absolutely no way that laptop will ever hit 144 fps on dual screens unless you only play minecraft

[marble crag]

really dont play games, just wanted to get the latest tech

[misty gyro]

In that case sure, spend your money how you like

[marble crag]

Maybe it was overkill, but now too late, trying to make the best of it and somehow use some of the computer resources I got

Thanks for the recommendation.

would I only need the 144Hz for games? wouldn't make movie images better or really doesn't make a difference?

[sick plume]

Movies are recorded in 24fps

Ur not gonna see more than that on any monitor

[marble crag]

sounds like a really messed up or it's time to get into games...

[misty gyro]

HDR is what you want for movies. A good monitor has vibrant colors and deep blacks.

[carmine bloom]

Gemini man was recorded at a higher fps and it looks so weird lol.

120fps or 60fps 4k. 😅

[pliant ibex]

Is a gsync monitor really worth it? I’m trying to find it and not many monitor models have gsync

Aight

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095V23PTM/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_i_RKNBSENPX1R6MTYQ4ZPN

I was thinking of this monitor

Ohhhhhh

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YGZL8XF/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_glt_i_N61D4RKF4TXMRY6JJT0K

I’m trying to find a good one

Oh sweet

That’s a life saver

Ohhh sweet!

Is aoc a reputable producer

Poggies

Ooo fair

[old arch]

Although isn't there certain monitors that do have a G-Sync "chip" or something and actually work "better". Doubt they're much different than most normal g-sync compatible monitors though.

[pliant ibex]

Acer ED323QUR Abidpx 31.5 Inches WQHD (2560 x 1440) Curved 1800R VA Gaming Monitor with AMD Radeon FREESYNC Technology - 4ms; 144Hz Refresh Rate; Display Port, HDMI Port & DVI Port, Black https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DR5PG8S/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_29NXF4XQAH95JEF92WGT?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

I like this monitor too

But I like 27” more

[old arch]

That 32"be ok for watching movies a lot, otherwise I'd stick to 27" 1440p or 24" 1080p. Obviously I run 1080p for now to keep performance up but soon I'll have dual monitors for extra screen space.

[quartz sandal]

But then again I have soo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant ibex]

Ayooo

I see one that I do like too

And it’s a good price

[quartz sandal]

Rtings.com is godsent for monitor reviews

Just look them up on there

[pliant ibex]

Ohhh okay thanks

Yeah was thinking of repairing the monitor this is for parts it says “screen busted inside unit” does that mean the screen itself is still intact? I just need the front panel

I’m still gonna get a new monitor for sure… but I’m gonna try and get this one repaired

[surreal quarry]

Is this amount of blur normal for m27Q

[misty gyro]

Depends on the game. Some games do blur intentionally.
Try a lower overdrive setting and see if it goes away.

[surreal quarry]

i have it set to picture quality, now way to turn it off

should i turn motion blur in the game on?

[misty gyro]

Motion blur is a personal choice. I dislike it in most games, especially racing games that use it to create an illusion of speed. 250MPH in Need For Speed isn't nearly accurate to real life, but it feels faster.

Try balanced mode, might help with the blur

Quality mode https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/UEFsOgdc/motion-blur-max-picture-quality-large.jpg

Balanced https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/UEFsOgdc/motion-blur-max-balance-large.jpg

Max looks blurry again https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/UEFsOgdc/motion-blur-max-speed-large.jpg

[surreal quarry]

i stuck with qualirty thanks

[mortal cliff]

https://www.costco.com/LG UltraGear 32" Class QHD Gaming Monitor.product.8326300.html
Opinions on this monitor?
Would any of you recomend it as a good option for gaming etc?

[fading wyvern]

Pretty sure demonmit just bought 5 of them, I’m sure it’s good

[winged lava]

if I get a HDMI to Displayport adapter, will G-Sync still work?

[misty gyro]

It depends on the hdmi version of the gpu

[winter leaf]

it's a VA panel so generally that means the colors are gonna be worse but other than that it looks great for the price

[mortal cliff]

Anything alternative you would recommend.
Budget would be $300 per panel 3 total

[quartz sandal]

Nice monitor, are you recommending it for a friend because it's not worth importing to the uk

Also va isn't bad it's just not as good as ips

[mortal cliff]

I'm asking on behalf of a friend 😂 because that friend is a little lazy and also isn't in this discord either I don't think.

Although I am interested in getting a new panel for myself though at some point. Just no idea what yet

[quartz sandal]

I see are they planning to game on all 3 at once or just 2 side monitors? If just 2 side monitors literally any monitor will work no point in buying a high refresh monitor for discord/youtube in the background or something

[mortal cliff]

It's probably gonna be game from one and random stuff on others but at the same time I've got no idea.
I've asked him, so will see what he says

At the same time though, they probably aren't all that bothered 😂

[raw ingot]

va has deeper black than ips

but worse than ips on other stuff

[winged lava]

Are there any good G-Sync (Not G-Sync compatible, the kind higher than that) monitors under $400?

[visual pilot]

Why are you looking for g sync?

[winged lava]

I have a 3060

[visual pilot]

Why not g sync compatible?

The only actual g sync monitor I can see that's in stock is this, and I doubt 3060 will give you a great experience at 1440p
https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Predator-XB271HU-bmiprz-2560x1440/dp/B06ZXZ3QBD/

[quartz sandal]

Basically every free sync display works with g sync

[visual pilot]

Ye, g sync compatible is great, you can get it on most monitors nowadays

[raw ingot]

true g-sync is mega expensive

400 bucks range doesn't have any true g-sync monitors

also tbh g-sync compatible is good enough

[visual pilot]

Hey that monitor I linked for 350 is true g sync tbf

But not g sync premium

[raw ingot]

huh

[winged lava]

Does g-sync work with the 3060 over hdmi?

[visual pilot]

Pretty sure it'll take dp

[winged lava]

My monitor has mini displayport
I'm sure that'll work with an adapter

[winter leaf]

anybody know of any 240hz 1440p ips monitors. would love to have 21:9 but I can't find any

[misty gyro]

21:9 at 1440p is pretty rare. I don't know of any at 240Hz+ but there's the Odyssey Neo G9 that's 32:9.
Check out the FI27Q-X

[winter leaf]

I already have a 1080p 165hz but I'm a greedy pig and yea it's pretty rare lol

[misty gyro]

Try to find a MSI Optix G241 or G242 at that range

1080p high refresh, good color and response

[old arch]

If not those msi, another decent option is Asus VG259QR ($207)

[verbal spear]

whats a cheap monitor for a 2nd monitor?

thats decent I can pick up

thats possible to mount

[errant edge]

Anything

[verbal spear]

any recommendatiions then lol

[errant edge]

Literally any 1080p 60-75hz monitor for a reasonable price

[quartz sandal]

Sort low to high on pc part picker for 1080p 23.6"

[vapid ravine]

is this a good deal ? https://www.newegg.com/metallic-dark-gray-rgb-msi-optix-mag240cr-24/p/N82E16824475070?Description=gameing moniter&cm_re=gameing_moniter-_-24-475-070-_-Product

[quartz sandal]

Bout normal price, if you don't want curved/dont mind flat, I'd go for msi g242 instead

[gaunt wren]

Does anyone have a vg27qla 1440p monitor?

[maiden wedge]

Hi guys, this question is probably asked a thousand times but which 1440p monitor should I pair my 3060ti with? The LG 27GP850-B or the gigabyteM27q

[quartz sandal]

[quaint mist]

Is the proper way to clean a 24" QLED just a microfiber cloth and some distilled water? What does everyone here use? I have the Sceptre ‎E248W-QPT model.

[sage trail]

i usually use isopropyl and a paper towel tbh

your just cleaning the outermost layer of the glass at the end of the day