old-monitors-and-tv

[rocky cypress]

https://youtu.be/Adw772km7PQ

not really the right vibe for this but i like this song lmfao

[thick scaffold]

Get this

[queen meteor]

Okay so what should I do/go for (for ref, looking for a new monitor, primarily gonna use it for web browsing and wanting expanded windows in Unreal engine 5. Currently have a 27in 1080p144hz VA panel and the details panel in UE5 is literally unusable as a sub-window unlike my 4K TV)

• Get A 1440p Mini-LED 27in and then pair my 1080p screen with it on a dual-VESA arm? https://www.newegg.com/aoc-q27g3xmn-27-qhd-180-hz-144-hz-va-black-red/p/N82E16824160516
• Get this 1440p QD-OLED 27in and do the same pairing with my current monitor? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D682HF6R?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=sec2002-20
• Get a 4K Mini-LED? this one is 32in and 500$ https://a.co/d/ijOWsfZ and then there's this 27in one from Acer that's also 500$ https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro-27-mini-led-uhd-160hz-1ms-freesync-gaming-monitor-with-hdr1000-displayport-hdmi-black/6539416.p?skuId=6539416
• Go full-stop for a 32in 4K QD-OLED? This MSI one is on sale? Is it good? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-mag321upqdoled-32-oled-uhd-165hz-0-03ms-adaptive-sync-gaming-monitor-with-hdr400-displayport-hdmi-usb-c-black/6583875.p?skuId=6583875&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=SaleEvent&msclkid=b7e7ff68e3b41890348098282fbcb0c1&gclid=b7e7ff68e3b41890348098282fbcb0c1&gclsrc=3p.ds

[regal lily]

Is there a big difference between 1440p and 4k. Im currently looking at a 1440p OLED monitor, I would like a 4k one but they are too expensive, unless they is a great deal.

[misty gyro]

If you're gaming, not really, assuming you're at a normal sitting distance. The biggest difference is going to be refresh rate and GPU load. 4K requires a much stronger GPU and even then you probably won't get nearly as many fps as 1440p.

[regal lily]

Ok so I had a 4k monitor that just broke and I got a full refund for it and im currently gaming on my second 1080p monitor

[regal lily]

I have a 4080 so 4k isnt a problem

is oled something I should comprimise 4k for?

or should i just get an ips 4k pannel in stead of an OLED 1440p one?

[misty gyro]

Absolutely go OLED over 4k

[regal lily]

really is it that much better?

[misty gyro]

The difference is huge

[regal lily]

ok can you recommend me a good one?

ive seen a few for 500

so like nothing over 550

becuase Im not made of money lol

[regal lily]

and im taking the refund money and putting it toward a new one

[misty gyro]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/P288TW,BR7scf,7LzXsY/

Between the 3 I'd probably go with the MSI because it gets a bit brighter

[regal lily]

Alr thanks, whats the main difference between QD OLED

and OLED

[visual pilot]

Do note how the reporting for brightness works differs between the 3 of them, the MSI panel also only does 250 nits SDR like the AOC panel, but specs say 1000nits because it hits 1000nits peak 2%, which the AOC panel also claims to be able to do

[regal lily]

ok

thx

[regal lily]

does the corsair one have this too?

[visual pilot]

Corsair looks to be even worse, the Corsair panel doesn't have a proper HDR rating, and it doesn't even hit the 250nits SDR, nor the 1000nits HDR it claims
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/corsair/xeneon-27qhd240

[regal lily]

ok thanks i think ill settle for the msi or aoc

[visual pilot]

Safest option is probably the MSI panel since it has an rtings review, but the AOC panel should be fine just by specs
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-271qrx-qd-oled

[misty gyro]

Yeah I wasn't basing it on the pcpp specs but a comparison I did earlier https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/msi-mpg-271qrx-qd-oled-vs-corsair-xeneon-27qhd240/47131/39531

[visual pilot]

Wanted to note it because what the pcpp comparison says is 450nits for the corsair panel, 1000nits for the MSI panel, and 250nits for the AOC panel

[visual pilot]

btw just noticed it's the QRX that's in the review and it's the QPX that's on sale for $480

[regal lily]

Is burn in on OLED monitors a problem? Also I know this is a few hours later I was busy.

[small warren]

Is if you run the brightness cranked on the ones that allow you to do so

[regal lily]

alr thanks so it shouldnt be a problem thn

[small warren]

Ya, just take good care of it, let the monitor do it's refresh cycles

And don't leave it constantly on

And avoid that high brightness if it has it

Though QD-OLED doesn't really have the same brightness issue like traditional OLED does

[regal lily]

ok

[thick scaffold]

QD-OLED is worse than WOLED for burn in

But if you keep your brightness low, hide the taskbar, refrain from having static images (move a window around so often and have black or alternating wallpaper) you’ll be fine.

[small warren]

They should be better unless it's specific models that are early stage design

QD-OLED is a design concept meant to eliminate OLED burn-in by adding the quantum dot layer

Or rather, it should be, but many things don't go to plan

[thick scaffold]

Burn in is not a problem unless you use it for work on full brightness

[small warren]

That I could reasonably believe for all OLED tbh

Since it's static work and you'd be in front of it for hours

Not letting the screen do refresh cycles and changing the workspace to remove TFT burn

[thick scaffold]

Basically don’t get oled for work

If you are working, you really don’t need dimming zones and high hertz

[regal lily]

but it is worth it for gaming even will all burn in

[thick scaffold]

OLED is the best for gaming

[regal lily]

ok

[thick scaffold]

High response time, high refresh rate, great colors and contrast

Just don't be gaming for 4+ hours straight without giving a refresh maybe

I bought an oled as soon as I saw the $400 price tag.

[regal lily]

How long have you had it for?

[tribal spire]

OLED is such a game changer

[visual pilot]

the only way gaming has a chance of burn in is if you play mmos all day where the icons stay up at all times

[tribal spire]

My friggin phone ruined LCDs for me

AMOLED is incredible

[visual pilot]

but then the refresh cycles will help with that

[tribal spire]

Burn in is significantly reduced in newer panels tbh

Like yes it COULD happen

But with content consumption use it's highly unlikely

If you can afford it
Now is the time to go OLED

[visual pilot]

https://youtu.be/Fa7V_OOu6B8

[tribal spire]

Oh new update?

Or when was it uploaded?

[visual pilot]

Not new, the 1 year old vid still

[thick scaffold]

Just ordered.

[regal lily]

which one? Ive been looking I saw the AOC one was 400 or did you go for the MSI one

[thick scaffold]

AOC

[visual pilot]

Personally I'll probably grab the MSI one since I'm really tired of having hdmi 2.0, but that might not be worth the extra $80 or so

[regal lily]

Which one would be better? They have like the exact same specs, I believe the oly difference is price.

[tribal spire]

I'm eagerly awaiting the next update.

[tribal spire]

Between which ones?

[regal lily]

hold up let me find them

[tribal spire]

Sorry I missed like 90% of the convo so I'm trying to catch up

[visual pilot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BR7scf/msi-mag-271qpx-qd-oled-e2-265-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-mag-271qpx-qd-oled-e2

[tribal spire]

But do note with monitors
Tiny differences in SKU mean massive differences sometimes

Oh those two

[visual pilot]

both haven't been reviewed by rtings so

[tribal spire]

Okay so the panel is TECHNICALLY the same

However the AOC variant seems to use panels that are borderline and/or have worse firmware

Buyers mentioned very noticeable VRR flicker

[regal lily]

ok

[tribal spire]

So the panel implementation seems to make a difference

[visual pilot]

Connectivity wise AOC only has hdmi 2.0 and dp 1.4, so you'll never be able to run 1440p240 with 10bit color, which is kinda annoying

MSI gets hdmi 2.1

[tribal spire]

The MSI is generally regarded to be implemented better

[thick scaffold]

so i could do 8bit?

[tribal spire]

And has user-upgradeable firmware
I'm not sure about the AOC

[thick scaffold]

fck man

i got the aoc

[visual pilot]

With Displayport only, you're at the edge of DP1.4 bandwidth doing 8 bit 1440p240

HDMI 2.0 only does like 1440p165 or something

[thick scaffold]

thats fine by me

[visual pilot]

lemme check

[tribal spire]

It's still a 1440p 240hz QD-OLED
It's not gonna be a bad screen regardless

[thick scaffold]

i wouldnt be able to spend $470

i was kinda reaching with the $400

cause i orignally wanted the aoc mini led

[tribal spire]

It's still gonna look amazing
But you might want to use frame caps to avoid the VRR flicker (cuz it happens when you have big swings in FPS)

[thick scaffold]

dude im playing 165hz rn

i dont care if im playing 200hz

[tribal spire]

@thick scaffold which one did you order after all?

[visual pilot]

Yea it's still going to be a good panel

[thick scaffold]

OLED AOC

yall encouraged me

[tribal spire]

Yeah you're likely gonna be fine

[thick scaffold]

whats the hdmi 2.0 max?

[visual pilot]

around 1440p144

[thick scaffold]

ewww

144

[tribal spire]

I mean

[thick scaffold]

not even 165?

[tribal spire]

OLED 144hz >>>>>> any LCD 165

[thick scaffold]

nah imma do DP 200hz

[visual pilot]

without compression, 147 max

[tribal spire]

DSC would get you to 240

But DSC is kind of a necessary evil

[visual pilot]

don't think hdmi 2.0 supports dsc

[tribal spire]

HDMI 1.4 does???

[visual pilot]

but it can do the weird chroma subsampling thing

[tribal spire]

Maybe not the most modern DSC but it def has SOME kind of DSC available

Either way
It's likely to work

[regal lily]

so if I were to pick between the 2 the MSI one is better

[tribal spire]

And let's be honest the same framerate on an OLED looks so much better it doesn't matter anyway

[tribal spire]

Let me put it this way
The AOC is like a 9
The MSI is like a 10.5

[visual pilot]

Only DP 1.4+ and HDMI 2.1+ can use DCS 1.2, can't tell what supports DSC 1.0 at a glance

[regal lily]

ok thanks

[tribal spire]

Both are gonna be amazing
The MSI would however likely be "better" in that you'd have less annoyance

There's probably still gonna be some VRR flicker inherent to most OLEDs

But it's probably not gonna be frequently noticable with the MSI

Rtings is using an intentionally very challenging scene with artificially massive FPS swings to highlight the worst-case
But in real usage it's unlikely to show up

@regal lily if you can fit the MSI in your budget then go for it, but the AOC will also look jawdropping

There's no shame in buying "low-end" OLEDs
They're still OLEDs after all, especially if it's QD-OLED

[regal lily]

ok thanks

[tribal spire]

No biggie

[thick scaffold]

so i should use dp and just limit my fps

[regal lily]

I purchased the MSI one and its suppose to come next week

Thanks to everyone who helped me

[ebon garnet]

I've been looking at this AOC model too, but I was reading about it and saw people saying it does an automatic pixel refresh every 4hours that takes about 5mins? Someone said you can choose to have it skip it, but that doing so voids AOC's warranty. It looks really great for the price and I'm so tempted to jump on it, but I play a lot of long-form content (MMOs etc) multiplayer games where a surprise pixel refresh could be super disruptive not just to myself but to everyone I'm playing with. Am I maybe worrying about this too much, and is it something most OLED monitors do at such frequent intervals? And can you have it manually do pixel refreshes on demand? I've never had an OLED so I'm really unfamiliar with these things

[rocky cypress]

oh aoc has an oled monitor

[ebon garnet]

If it's something I can just trigger myself most of the time then this is a no-brainer purchase for me bc it's rare that I'm playing anything uninterrupted for 4 straight hours, but the idea of my screen just shutting itself off for 5 whole minutes in the middle of an FFXIV savage raid gives me a lot of pause

[ebon garnet]

yeah the only bad things I've read about it are that it has some VRR flicker issues (which I dont use so w/e) and apparently not great out of the box color tuning

[visual pilot]

Most do it every couple of hours, it's to help against burn in, the AOC one will give you a warning message every 4 hours, and you get to choose to refresh it at that time or not

[rocky cypress]

alot of oleds have vrr flicker according to rtings anyways

[ebon garnet]

it only came out 2 months ago though so there are like zero reviews for it on YT, only a couple of reddit threads I could find of people who purchased it talking about their experience with it

[visual pilot]

looks like this

[rocky cypress]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/learn/research/vrr-flicker

[ebon garnet]

Oh ok that doesn't sound so bad then

Still curious though, can you trigger it to do the pixel refresh whenever you want? It's really rare that I'm gaming for 4hrs straight, so if I could just manually choose to have it do a refresh when I AFK to bio or get food or w/e to reset the 4hr timer when I'm already busy then I'll probably just buy it

[visual pilot]

You can manually trigger it too

it'll also do it every 4 hrs if it's in standby by itself

and if it's been on for 16hrs continiously it'll automatically do a refresh that can't be stopped, but with 10 minute advance warning

[rocky cypress]

wait, so if it's going to keep doing pixel refreshes even if the monitor hasnt been woken and just in standby?

[ebon garnet]

ok fantastic, that pretty much alleviates any concern I had. Hopefully they'll still be up on that sale tomorrow so I can buy it 🙏

[visual pilot]

"After every 4 hours of cumulative operation, the screen compensation correction and image residue elimination function
will automatically run when the display is turned off, or has been in standby for 2 hours."

2 hours not 4 but yea

[rocky cypress]

ahh

[visual pilot]

after the cumulative operation it'll do it on its own after 2hrs of standby, sounds like it's one time not like repeated every 4 hours of standby

[thick scaffold]

And if I don’t I lose my warranty?

Like does it warn me like a few minutes before

Like a mouse would warn me on low battery

Cause overwatch matches can be like 20 minutes I can’t just have my monitor shut off

But I also don’t wanna lose my warranty

[rocky cypress]

just do the pixel refresh before you go on any competitive matches

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[visual pilot]

it's a very broad "Not following these instructions may void your warranty."

[thick scaffold]

How long is it?

[visual pilot]

~10min

[ebon garnet]

oh tangentially related question sort of, I noticed it's a Glossy, which I've actually never owned before but I'm excited to try. I use a not very bright lamp on the side of my desk to keep some backlighting up at night, will that maybe cause some mild glare? I'm so used to my 3 matte displays that I almost didn't even think to ask

[thick scaffold]

Also it just comes pre installed on the monitor right?

[visual pilot]

it's not really enforcable to do it every time

[rocky cypress]

it's in the firmware

[thick scaffold]

They can see if I click no?

[visual pilot]

they'd only invoke it if it's clear burn in is your fault for not running cleaning cycles

[rocky cypress]

if they log it

[visual pilot]

It counts how many times it has run the cycle total

[thick scaffold]

Bruh nobody told me dis

I have like a discord mod living in my monitors firmware

[visual pilot]

they're not going to care if you do it every time

[rocky cypress]

wouldnt make sense to immediately void warranty if you click no once

[visual pilot]

its a very simple if it looks like its your fault they will invoke it

[thick scaffold]

If I just keep my brightness down and I usually just play video games do I need to worry?

How low should my brightness be?

[ebon garnet]

I don't think you need to worry about toning your brightness down unless you're really abusing it, I could be wrong though. Newer OLEDs are significantly less prone to burn-in that they used to be

[visual pilot]

not really recommended to do it that way, just run the cycles when it tells you to or near when it tells you to

these aren't that bright in sdr anyways

[thick scaffold]

10 minutes just seems crazy

[visual pilot]

welp, I decided to get the MSI one myself, guess I'll report back later how it goes

[regal lily]

thats what i went with too

[tribal spire]

VAs flicker worse than oleds lol

Q27G3XMN flickers about as much as thew worst oleds tbf

[prime sun]

So what actually is a pixel refresh on an OLED? I thought the issue was just using one colour too much eventually wears out those combination of colours

I dont understand the technology well

[visual pilot]

Pixel refresh is usually cycles of full brightness on and off repeated in order to not have anything static burnt in

[prime sun]

I see

[rocky cypress]

pixel refresh more like burn out

[prime sun]

So is it like blending in any potential burn out or?

[thick scaffold]

so we burning out the entire monitor evenly

[errant flax]

What do you mean by refresh?

I am saving up 2.5-3k for a GPU and monitor upgrade come Hanukkah (same time as christmas) this year and I am wondering how OLED has come?

I spend about 8 hours a day working on my screen with typical office drone type displays. Boucning between Data Libraries and handling Marketing outreach.

[fossil gust]

Read above. Every 4 hours of continuous use it prompts you to do a 10 minute cycle to prevent burn in

[errant edge]

Oh are you jewish?

Oh lmao your bio

I am too

[errant flax]

Baruch Hashem.

[thick scaffold]

im jewish too

we taking over newegg

[thick scaffold]

If you do office work, I'd say dont get oled.

[errant flax]

So OLED can be used for work but avoid static screens and allow it to do a refresh cycle every few hours? Does it do the refresh automatically or?

[thick scaffold]

It notifies you to refresh, you can accept or decline.

[errant flax]

Yeah, I handle data bases and marketing outreach.

[thick scaffold]

If you decline too much, you may risk getting burn in and losing the burn in warranty.

[errant flax]

I work and game from the same pc.

[fossil gust]

Read above, other people just talked about it

[thick scaffold]

No gaming?

You got an X3D so i bet you game

[errant flax]

Roughly 8hrs a day working and 2 hours of gaming.

[thick scaffold]

Huh.

So maybe oled isnt for you.

What type of gaming?

[errant flax]

Mostly Ranked Fortnite and some smaller games like Phasmaphobia/Ghost Watchers on the side. Been looking to pickup some Campaign or Survival games my friends and I can play together.

[thick scaffold]

Hmm

You down for dual-monitor?

I think maybe just go for a mini-led monitor.

No burn in, still nice visually and high refresh rate.

Can turn off mini-led when working so that it doesn't look weird. \

[errant flax]

Also I took some tests a while back and my average response time is roughly 150ms going down to around 115ms when adrenaline kicks in. This is a visual to physical reaction time.

[thick scaffold]

Got tested lol

[errant flax]

haha yeah, I was curious what my reaction speed is.

My audible to physical reaction time is slightly better but not much.

[thick scaffold]

I'd say, since 80% of your time is work, an OLED isn't too important.

Budget?

[errant flax]

I am saving up realistically USD $2,500 come Hanukkah to pickup some upgrades.

[thick scaffold]

8 days of presents

[errant flax]

this is total budget for PSU, GPU, and Monitor.

[thick scaffold]

Any particular GPU in mind?

[errant flax]

I might get the PSU and Monitor for cheap and hold out for the 5090 I am hearing some good things for it.

[thick scaffold]

Naw

dont cheap on psu

also, worth to invest a minimum of $200 on a monitor.

[errant flax]

What I mean is getting a good one for cheaper*

[thick scaffold]

Personally, I wouldn't get a 5090, but if that's your goal I won't argue.

[errant flax]

I fully agree with not putting a bad PSU with a high end system.

[thick scaffold]

So you wanna do 4K gaming?

a 5090 would rock 4K probably.

[errant flax]

Bit childish of me but yeah that's my goal. I am a long time investor and I have always wanted to get that one fancy card at least once in my life haha.

[thick scaffold]

a 5080 or a 7900XT is fancy but not that expensive.

I don't see a 5090 being needed for fortnite, phasmaphobia, or most of your intents.

[errant flax]

That would be preferable depending on refresh. I don't like how choppy the experience is below 144Hz, even 120 I can tell the difference.

[errant flax]

I do CAD and Guitar in my spare time every day.

[thick scaffold]

Preference on monitor size?

Guitar applies to GPU?

Whut

[errant flax]

Nah.

[thick scaffold]

Needa rock those jams at 8K.

[errant flax]

Just what I do when I am not working or gaming.

My schedule is basically:

• Wake up
• Read up on news
• Work
• Go outside
• Game
• Cad/Guitar
• Sleep

50/40 90 series is definitely overkill for Fortnite haha

[thick scaffold]

My schedule:

• Wake Up

[thick scaffold]

AMD gpus are very good

and usually less for more vram

[errant flax]

Horrendous in Blender and other programs I use is the problem.

[thick scaffold]

5090 is gonna be hard to find from a retailer until april or later and is probably gonna be $2000+

Yeah nvidia rocks the rendering / machine learning department

also RTX and DLSS if you use that.

[errant flax]

I am one of few who actually do when possible haha.

I do admit to having a Nvidia bias as an investor.

[thick scaffold]

I own a nvidia gpu and a intel cpu, yet i recommend amd gpu and cpu over anything.

But if you use RTX, DLSS, Machine Learning, or Rendering, I say Nvidia is a clear winner.

[errant flax]

I love AMD's CPUs but for GPUs I am a Nvidia fan boy, always have been.

[errant flax]

Every thing except machine learning though I am indeed interested in that topic.

[thick scaffold]

I used a 1070, 2060, and a 3070 TI.

[thick scaffold]

I'd say get a 4080S.

4080 Super is better price and the most anyone will need for gaming.

4070 Super is good too, but if you have $2500 a 4080S fits.,

[errant flax]

Something I am considering, is buying a solid PSU and monitor come Hanukkah and then keeping $2000 on the side to pickup a 5090 come January. This of course depends on how cheap I can pickup a 4080S or 4090.

Thoughts on this idea?

[thick scaffold]

Sure.

This is a pretty nice monitor: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro-27-mini-led-uhd-160hz-1ms-freesync-gaming-monitor-with-hdr1000-displayport-hdmi-black/6539416.p?acampID=0&affgroup="Content"&irclickid=Sohx-7WNGxyKRxUQS1WJgyOFUkCQLXWhRS-zwI0&irgwc=1&loc=Howl+Technologies%2C+Inc.&mpid=376373&nrtv_cid=47n3kh6i3ic2r&ref=198&skuId=6539416

although 160hz may be low for you.

[errant flax]

Because I admit if I can get something like a 4090 at say $1,000 dollars that's hard to say no to compared to spending $2,000 on a 5090.

[thick scaffold]

Otherwise, one of the highest rated and well priced mini-leds.

[errant flax]

What exactly is Mini-Led?

[thick scaffold]

Instead of one huge light behind the monitor, you have a bunch of smaller dimming zones to create a more dynamic contrast and brightness.

Looks good for gaming.

Its like the step between OLED and IPS

[errant flax]

So it's like a improved version of IPS?

[thick scaffold]

It's still IPS but looks better.

[errant flax]

Any cons?

[thick scaffold]

Might look weird when working with largely single color backgrounds if enabled.

but you can turn it off

cause when you work in like excel you dont need different brightnesses in different spots

but otherwise, nada.

[errant flax]

Gotcha.

Is OLED still a pain in the arse to maintain or?

[thick scaffold]

Just gotta pixel refresh and not have static images.

But since you do work 8 hours a day, I'd think that pixel refresh would be annoying

[errant flax]

Does it take a while?

[thick scaffold]

10 minutes I believe

My one is 10 minutes every 2 hours

Some do 4 hours

[errant flax]

Hmm...

[thick scaffold]

OLED is the best, but usually for gaming.

If you wanted, you could go dual monitor and have a oled main with a nice ips secondary.

[errant flax]

So Mini-LED if I want hassle free or OLED if I want best colors but put up with a hassle for 100-50 minutes a day.

[thick scaffold]

Basically.

OLED is better than mini-led.

But with the possiblity of burn in (it has gotten better).

[errant flax]

I wouldn't be against dual monitor setups, I used to use my Graphics Tablet as a second monitor till it was stolen.

[errant edge]

just go woled or qd led

[errant flax]

It was nice not bouncing between screens.

[thick scaffold]

He works with static screens for 8 hours a day

[errant edge]

ah

[fossil gust]

It's VA. But with better pixel response times (and local dimming)

[thick scaffold]

Mini-led right?

[errant flax]

Yeah I have become quite the office drone.

[errant edge]

there's both mini led VA and mini led IPS (i think)

VA is much more common

[thick scaffold]

Wouldn't he want g-sync too?

[errant edge]

g sync and free sync are interchangeable

[thick scaffold]

no difference?

[fossil gust]

Gsync is basically depreciated at this point I think

[errant edge]

with a 2080 ti on my aoc monitor im currently using free sync

[thick scaffold]

I know free sync can be used with nvidia gpus

i just didnt know if g-sync was better for nvidia

[errant edge]

no

it's the same thing

[errant flax]

That's for screen tearing right?

[thick scaffold]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-nitro-27-mini-led-uhd-160hz-1ms-freesync-gaming-monitor-with-hdr1000-displayport-hdmi-black/6539416.p?acampID=0&affgroup="Deals"&cmp=RMX&irclickid=Sohx-7WNGxyKRxUQS1WJgyOFUkCQLm19RS-zwI0&irgwc=1&loc=PCPartPicker&mpid=79301&ref=198&refdomain=pcpartpicker.com&skuId=6539416 wouldnt this be a good monitor for Alpha?

3rd place on rtings.com and mini led ips and hdmi 2.1

[errant edge]

considering you're buying into a 5090 i wouldn't settle for anything less than oled/woled/qdoled

[thick scaffold]

the 8 hours of static tho bro

[rocky cypress]

5090
720p30 monitor

[errant edge]

?

pixel refresh

[fossil gust]

It's healthy to step away from your monitor for 10 measly minutes every few hours

[errant edge]

and mini led has the same burn in issues?

[thick scaffold]

No make bad eye sight

lose vision

[thick scaffold]

It does?!

[errant edge]

im so confused rn

what are you even talking about

ill admit im not the most versed in monitors but im very lost atm

[errant flax]

Realistic Budget is USD $2,500 if I work my ass off I could probably stretch that to USD $3,000 with a month or two of work.

I would purchase the PSU and Monitor during Hanukkah in Alaska then buy the 5090 come release or a month after.

[thick scaffold]

Mini-led has burn in?

[errant edge]

yes

any monitor has burn in

it's more of an issue on mini led and oled variants

[thick scaffold]

But OLED has higher rates right?

[errant flax]

Just varying extents right?

[errant edge]

the issue is the very high brightness of mini led and oled from what i understand

@small warren halp

[errant flax]

I do office drone work 8 hours a day followed by 2 hours of gaming and 2 hours of either CAD or Guitar on average in a day.

I mostly manage data bases and Marketing outreach.

[thick scaffold]

@torn sphinx Few other things

Monitor size
Curved?

[errant edge]

oled comes in 27-34" most of the time, there's some bigger monitors but they're either very expensive or meh

[thick scaffold]

Samsung 49" says hello

[errant edge]

like that 40" flat screen oled (not a tv). Who needs that for their pc

by flat screen i mean not curved

not a flat screen tv

[thick scaffold]

Plasma screen monitor

[errant edge]

who tf is craning their neck up to look at a 40" monitor

[thick scaffold]

Aren't 40" just ultra-wide?

[errant edge]

the curved 39"+ oleds are good

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XWP8TW/acer-predator-cg48-bmiiiipuzx-480-3840-x-2160-138-hz-monitor-cg48-bmiiiipuzx

i lied it's 48"

[thick scaffold]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0D1DSXW17?tag=rtings-mn-r-amazon-20&ie=UTF8&asc_campaign=&asc_source=&asc_refurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtings.com%2Fmonitor%2Freviews%2Fbest%2Fby-usage%2Fgaming

[errant flax]

I would like to try a 27" 16:9 or a 34" 21:9 I feel anything over 40" would be to much for me.

[errant edge]

i wouldn't bother with 4k for anything under 32"

[thick scaffold]

Samsung G80SD

[errant edge]

$700 4k 32" oled https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4HkH99/msi-mag-321up-qd-oled-315-3840-x-2160-165-hz-monitor-mag-321up-qd-oled

[errant flax]

My face is usually 3 feet from the screen and for PPI I can notice the pixels on a 1080x1920 24" screen.

[errant edge]

that's pretty normal

i had the same experience and can't see any pixels on my 1440p 27"

[thick scaffold]

I played on a 32" 1080p its awful

[errant edge]

1050p tn was horrid

[thick scaffold]

i believe 24" 1080p = 32" 1440p

[errant edge]

roughly

1440p 32" is 92 ppi while 1080p 24" is 91 ppi

so technichally 1080p 24" is worse lmao

[thick scaffold]

who uses a 24" monitor bruh

just get an ipad

[errant edge]

a surprising amount of people

[errant flax]

A nomad who was on a tight budget.

[thick scaffold]

bros using the monitor in his lap

[fossil gust]

Probably meant for console-style gaming in mind; not being used at a desk

[errant edge]

yeah prob

[thick scaffold]

Alpha should get a VR headset and have infinite monitors

[errant edge]

atp id just get an lg c1/c2/c3

[thick scaffold]

gtg

[errant flax]

I tried a friend's QHD 27" IPS monitor a while back, while better than my FHD 24" experience I could still tell the pixels. I was unable to notice the pixels on a UHD 27" I haven't tried a UHD 32" though so I can't say to that.

[errant flax]

Those are TVs aren't they?

I am admittedly lost. So what was the general consensus?

[prime sun]

You say thats awful, up until kid you not 2 years ago i played on a 720p 32" cheap VA panel

[thick scaffold]

Why would they even make that

[prime sun]

It was like an 8 year old Walmart tv lol

[thick scaffold]

Unless it’s from the 20th century

[errant flax]

I am lost between going with QD-OLED/WOLED versus Mini-LED.

I know for specs here is what I want:

• Minimum 144Hz, Ideally +200Hz (for some overhead)
• 27 or 34" UHD. I am open to trying a 21:9 ratio screen.

Things to note:

• Total budget is about USD 2,500 realistically. Possibly stretch to $3,000 if I work my butt off for another month or two.
• I plan to purchase the PSU and Monitor come Hanukkah (or Christmas as both occur same time), and then get the 5090 come release or a month after. Open to buying a 4090 if sales are very good.

[thick scaffold]

8 YEARS OLD IS NOTHIBG

[prime sun]

Might try and find the exact model number

[thick scaffold]

PSU probably around $100-$150 for an A tier

[prime sun]

It was 100 dollars when we boughr it 💀

[thick scaffold]

More like $150

[errant flax]

gotcha.

[prime sun]

True!

[thick scaffold]

Also depending on the GPU power consumption

Idk how much the 5090 used

[errant flax]

Btw for size concerns I have a full size Fractal Torrent.

[prime sun]

Used

5090 is a thing of the past

[thick scaffold]

5090 = 500W according to Google

And a 7800X3D that’s insane

Gonna probably be a 1000W psu

[prime sun]

Minimum

[errant flax]

The RTX 4090 if I recall correctly draws a peak of 450W under load unless you MOD it.

with spikes up to 500 watts.

[thick scaffold]

Corsair RMe1000 might be nice

Idk what connectors the 5090 uses either

[errant flax]

5090 Is expected to have a max TDP from rumors of around 450-500W depending on final specs. though granted these cards only draw as needed so I am not worried about power consumption.

[thick scaffold]

ASUS Rog Loki Platinum 🤤

Still would get a 1000W

[errant flax]

Agreed.

Especially if I upgrade down the line.

[thick scaffold]

6090 TI super

[errant flax]

Highest draw I have seen on my 7950x3D is about 200W though it usually draws about 60 watts during office work.

[prime sun]

Ill trade a pencil

[thick scaffold]

Paper clip

[prime sun]

Its mechanical

[errant flax]

Around 120w during gaming.

[thick scaffold]

How much led?

[prime sun]

No LED, but its got some lead

[thick scaffold]

High quality eraser?

[errant edge]

???

7800x3d is 85w

[prime sun]

Smooth as the rocks head

[errant edge]

5090 at 500w would be fine on an 850

[thick scaffold]

7950X3D sorry

Corsair RMe1000W is only like $150 rn

A-tier, ATX 3.0, quiet

[prime sun]

How does the 7950X3D do compared to the 7800X3D in STALKER 2 since thats def become a new cpu benchmark lol

[errant flax]

You guys think I can pickup an A-Tier 1,000W PSU and a good Mini-LED or OLED Monitor for about $500 come Holiday Sales?

[visual pilot]

would not trust nvidia to not spike higher than that tbf

[thick scaffold]

Get a nice cheap $2 extension cable from AliExpress for a nice Smokey flavor in your pc

$150 Corsair RMe1000W is good?

[visual pilot]

but best to just wait and see what nvidia does with the 5090

[thick scaffold]

$110 for the RMx

Idk what’s different, I think the capacitors are just different brands

[errant flax]

I wouldn't trust anything less than a 1,000W PSU on 4090 system let alone the 5090 with a expected TDP of 500W.

[visual pilot]

RMe is great, $150 sounds a bit high for it

[thick scaffold]

Cheapest out of the three quiet A-tier ATX 3.0 psus

[visual pilot]

$150 looks to be a normal price rn, it didn't get a good black friday deal or anything like that

[thick scaffold]

$150 is a small investment for keeping your pc from becoming a news segment

[visual pilot]

I would wait to buy the PSU until you start buying everything else, since there's no sale right now that makes it that good of a buy to buy it ahead of time

[errant flax]

I won't be buying any parts to Christmas/hanukkah to take advantage of sales.

I am moving homes in about 2 weeks so Black Friday sales are not viable for me unfortunately.

[thick scaffold]

Corsair does a 7 year warranty I believe

Black Friday is a joke for most pc parts

Usually you can find similar deals throughout the year

Christmas might have its own sales

Why we talking psus in monitor chat

Mods ban them

[errant flax]

?

[prime sun]

Mods ban them

[errant edge]

mods ban me

[rocky cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[small warren]

OLED yes definitively

Mini led....not that I know of? Not to any major degree like OLED does

QLED/Mini led are pretty similar performing

It really depends on the screen though

As ALL screens generate heat, and insufficient dissipation will lead to TFT and eventual permanent burn in

OLED is just more susceptible

[rocky cypress]

oh yeah miniled shouldnt get burn in, since it's a LCD

[small warren]

All monitors get burnin

[rocky cypress]

or at least it's very rare for lcds

[small warren]

But, in principle yeah, just much less prone

[rocky cypress]

mainly just image retention

[small warren]

Yep

A lot of modern screens get very very hot

Be it the way they designed it or the tech itself in use

So you'll find, I think Asus talked about this with one of their oleds?

The big chunky bit on the back of oled screens, it often looks like this big square slapped onto the screen at the back

Most of that is literally copper or alu heatsink

Purely for ventilating heat that could cause burn in

The motherboard on the screen itself, the power supply and everything else that's inside make up a very small chunk of that

[rocky cypress]

tbh i think you'll probably burn out your backlight from excessive heat before you get much if any burn in on a lcd
iirc that was a problem rtings noticed with very slim flatscreens? backlight dying?

or at least concerning thermals

[small warren]

That happened to one of my QLEDs yeah

The backlight cable burned up literally

[rocky cypress]

💀

what is with you and odd tech problems

[small warren]

Wym

Bro it's like 4 years old now

That was like a year ago lmao

[rocky cypress]

[small warren]

It's actually a normal tech issue I swear

STOP MAKING ME NERVOUS

STOP

[rocky cypress]

very totally normal and everyone gets it

[small warren]

AAAAAHH

[rocky cypress]

i have absolutely have gotten a burnt backlight cable before (real not fake)

[small warren]

It made the tv look weird af

Imagine like

Top half is normal colour

And the bottom half is sepia tone

💀

[rocky cypress]

💀

natural sepia

dont need no ig filter

[small warren]

Ya and like 10% brightness

I could turn it down so low I could see the stuff on screen but there was no light

[rocky cypress]

[small warren]

That got warrantied np btw

That was definitely not my fault

[rocky cypress]

man you get such normal tech problems, when will you ever get a problem nobody else has ever had frfr

[small warren]

When will I get a broken mouse

I think it's just a skill check bro

[rocky cypress]

even when things arent broken, somebody else is there to break it for you 💔

[small warren]

Like I'm so good at normal problems they aren't problems

[rocky cypress]

rip phone 2023-2024

[small warren]

So I only get the harder difficulty gameplay now

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doomslayer-doom-eternal-heavy-metal-stops-gif-14735292

[rocky cypress]

did you ever get the phone working again with the providers

i dont think i've seen the update

[small warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8k57NL7V54&ab_channel=SpongeBobSquarePantsOfficial

I'm at the last step but the last program refuses to cooperate

[rocky cypress]

💀

rip

[small warren]

Nearly there man

[rocky cypress]

more normal problems

[small warren]

Tbh I know what it needs it just doesn't understand me

I'm thinking about another program

[rocky cypress]

[small warren]

Hey

Day 3

No tech problems

Just the phone which I've been stuck on for a while

[small warren]

England so weird

It'll be like 2pm and it's night time

[rocky cypress]

dark

[errant edge]

Bro I've had three

Hp something or other on clearance from best buy for $20. I found out why it was on clearance two weeks after buying it

Kone pro air scroll wheel failure

Redragon m602 wired was somehow my best mouse, just heavy asf

Now orochi v2 is showing signs of failure

[wanton compass]

When trying to find a good monitor what things should I look for? There’s a lot of 1440p 27”/32” monitors out there to choose from

Black Friday/eBay deals are pretty great right now

[errant edge]

last year we didn't have any decent IPS panels this cheap https://www.ebay.com/itm/285859821248

i think the best was nzxt 27q at $135 or so

dell g2724d at $150 is great, it's a really solid monitor

i think m27q tier

[wanton compass]

Since I’m going from a 1080p 240Hz IPS display, I wonder if I’ll notice the drop in refresh rate

[errant flax]

Depends on your reaction time.

[wanton compass]

reaction time?

[misty gyro]

A very small percentage of people are able to reliably distinguish between any monitor greater than 120Hz

Less than 1% small

You might think you can tell the difference but it's probably placebo effect, unless you are one of those top 1% of gamers

[wanton compass]

huh

i'm going to try this myself, just setting the refresh rate to 120HZ and then back to 240HZ

[misty gyro]

LTT tested it already too, I'm sure you know who Shroud is

Lower ms is better (blue number)

https://youtu.be/OX31kZbAXsA?si=JVNsTqoBfaEWt0id

[wanton compass]

I probably am experiencing a placebo effect

right now just moving the mouse around on desktop & moving tabs around is barely any difference between 120Hz and 240Hz

let alone 144Hz

[errant flax]

I can notice between 120 and 144, haven't been able to experience higher.

[misty gyro]

You can eliminate the possibility of placebo effect with a blind test. Have someone else set the refresh rate and don't tell you what they set it to.

[errant flax]

How I found out was when Halo defaulted my frame rate to 120 and the game kept feeling choppy till I looked at the settings and found out that when I reinstalled it the frame rate was lowered.

[misty gyro]

That's a game specific issue then. Same test would go for you, do a reaction test a few times to get a feel for it, then have someone else set the refresh rate to a random Hz.

[errant flax]

I had a blind test at my friend's place on his Laptop where he set it from 60, 120, 144.

Same result.

60 felt horrid, 120 felt playable but not smooth, 144 felt like what I am used to.

[rocky cypress]

30hz: 33.3ms between each frame
60hz: 16.7ms
144hz: 6.9ms
240hz: 4.17ms
400hz: 2.5ms

difference between:
30 to 60: 16.6ms
60 to 144: 9.8ms
144 to 240: 2.73ms
240 to 400: 1.67ms

[wanton compass]

I had the same reaction, but with phones

why base model iPhones still ship with 60Hz panels when 90Hz is commonplace elsewhere is beyond me

[misty gyro]

Phones have a lot more variables involved, like panel type

[rocky cypress]

if you can notice the a difference between latency of ~3ms to ~1.5ms that is quite impressive

[misty gyro]

Not just impressive, it would make you one of the top 0.01% of humans

[rocky cypress]

it's gonna make you immediately better at gaming frfr

[misty gyro]

I should overclock my 165 to 170 so I can click heads 0.2ms faster

Input latency matters so much more than refresh rate once you go past about 120/144

[wanton compass]

hmm nice

[rocky cypress]

and you also need to have good reaction time lmao
most normal people have a reaction time of about 200ms ish from visual stimuli to being able to trigger the muscle to click the mouse button

which then there's the computer's input latency

[wanton compass]

wonder if wireless latency is also a factor if the mouse is wireless

[rocky cypress]

honestly, not even the most professional gamers would actually really be able to notice a difference between 240 and 400hz
or maybe even 144 to 240hz

though they may notice a very tiny competitive disadvantage, because really the only benefit is just so that you can get your frames like even just a millisecond faster than the other person... but that only works if you have a fast enough reaction time, and are actually able to aim with that reaction time (i have a fairly fast reaction time, but suck at aiming) and also your system has to have a low enough input latency from the mouse or keyboard to actually being able to send that input to the game for it to matter

all for a teeny tiny competitive edge

one that is practically imperceptible to the human eye

[misty gyro]

It depends on the type of wireless. Bluetooth is pretty high latency, 2.4GHz is a bit better, and custom dongles are more ideal and can be better than wired in some cases.

[rocky cypress]

they just gotta get some of that stadia negative latency

frfr

[misty gyro]

Time traveling packets when

[turbid star]

Me when playing at 200ms ping

Literally need to think ahead its wild

[rocky cypress]

negative latency frfr

[fading wyvern]

I will say… better hardware helps with reaction time. I went from 170ms to 140ms in human bench after my oled upgrade (still trash at games tho)

[misty gyro]

That tracks with what we usually say, that OLED itself is equivalent to several levels of upgrade on other parts thanks to the near instant response time. Especially if you're going from an old VA to OLED, that's a good 30-50ms shaved off just with the monitor.

[rocky cypress]

Yeah asides from the latency between frames, pixel response times are also a factor
And also the internal latencies that a monitor may have

[misty gyro]

All that adds up with the full system latency

[visual pilot]

qd oled acquired, 12bpc is an option...?

is this 10 bit with dithering?

[misty gyro]

That would only be for when you are using the BT2020 color space. Almost nothing uses that.

Even editing 12 bit RAW footage you wouldn't want to use that color space typically

[errant flax]

What are the best ways to shave down on my computer's system latency?

[misty gyro]

It depends on what the largest contributors are to the latency

[errant flax]

What is the best way to check? I play a lot of ranked games such as Fortnite and often partake in small tournaments.

I am aware of the dual CCD on my 7950x3D causing latency so I have Fortnite set to use CCD 1 only.

[misty gyro]

Run hwinfo while you play and watch the presentmon stats near the bottom of the charts. It will give you an idea of how much the CPU and GPU are contributing. If they're both low then the latency will be in other peripherals most likely, like the mouse, keyboard, and monitor.

"CPU wait" in particular you'd want to watch with esports games, that means the CPU isn't doing any work for that much time because it's waiting on other things like the memory or GPU

[errant flax]

So CPU wait is the result of bottlenecking then?

For peripherals I am using a EVGA Z15 Keyboard paired with a Razer Basilisk V3 mouse.

[misty gyro]

When you're doing CPU limited gaming, like most esports would be, yes

M/K are ok, could be better but I doubt it'll make much difference

[errant flax]

What do you mean by "M/K"?

I assume that means Mouse & Keyboard?

[misty gyro]

Correct

[errant flax]

My ping to the game servers are typically around 64ms.

My average reaction time is about 150ms from visual to physical reaction. Drops to about 115 if I am in a adrenaline state especially with a monster or two in my system.

Been wondering about system latency because I would like to optimize my performance.

Currently can't. Been on heavy medication for about two weeks now.

Currently I can barely even stand up or eat.

Thank you.

I am visiting the doctor this afternoon to get some antibiotics to help with this.

I have been experiencing:

• Severe nausea
• Violent puking
• Caughing and sneezing blood
• Extreme exhaustion

[errant flax]

My reaction time is horrible right now but I decided it wouldn't hurt to see how I do despite being sick and bedrocked out of my mind.

What made me wonder about Latency is on occasion when I have been playing Ranked in games like Fortnite at times it feels like Latency might be getting the better of me because I pulled the trigger before the enemy's bullets came out of their gun yet they still hit me first.

I am very fair and recognizing when it comes to if it was my own user error, lack of anticipation or otherwise and those moments just felt off to me.

My typical ping is around 64ms give or take 10.

[misty gyro]

There wouldn't be a way to isolate that without dedicated hardware anyway

That would be a very unscientific way of doing it

[errant flax]

Guessing there is nothing I can do about that?

I am on a Ethernet connection, speed averages around 300Mbps download.

For Ethernet cable I am using a Cat8 50ft.

[misty gyro]

Oh that's actually really bad ping, speedtest should get below 20 unless you're way outside the city. I get 11ms.

I thought you meant the ping counter in game, which accounts for round trip and server lag

[errant flax]

The ping I see in the Gear icon section within Fortnite averages around 64ms.

[misty gyro]

Oh right you were in mexico I remember now, yeah that'll do it

Since you were leaving mx soon I don't see much point in trying to fix something you might not be able to fix

[errant flax]

So essentially if someone pulls the trigger right as the server tick refreshes they can shoot before I ever even see the bullet?

[misty gyro]

Yep

[errant flax]

Well that definitely matches up with my experience....

[misty gyro]

Dead before you know it

[errant flax]

Fortnite runs at 30hz according to google it appears.

[misty gyro]

Not the Google AI I hope

According that that the Ryzen 5000 series launched in 2023

And then the source it quotes specifically says 2020

[errant flax]

Few separate articles, reddit, and google ai all claim that Fortnite changed from 20hz to 30hz during Patch 3.4

Other than training my ability to anticipate a player's actions, is there anything else I can do to improve? Thought latency might help but it appears I am out of luck there.

[errant flax]

Hmm I actually happen to be on the lookout for new headphones, mine the earmuffs are falling apart from heavy use over these past 3-4 years.

I have been using the Razer Blackshark V2 Pro.

[visual pilot]

Might be time to grab like a cloud iii

[errant flax]

I am very confident in my ability to hear sounds and react to them. Regarding positional audio I think my headphones are decent but I don't know where they place on the spectrum of good to bad positional audio.

[visual pilot]

I've been told razer headphones' imaging aren't great, best to try some other headphones

The only razer headphone I've actually heard was some $30 set that I couldn't distinguish positioning from

[errant flax]

I am open to options that don't break the bank haha. Note, I also listen to a lot of music.

[visual pilot]

It doesn't matter as much for over ear headphones

[visual pilot]

Always fun to invest in audio but also expensive

[errant flax]

I wouldn't expect much from any $30 headphones... Let alone a set.

[visual pilot]

Baseline you should probably grab a cloud iii

[errant flax]

I use it quite often though my hearing is typically still better for figuring out where someone is.

I like using the Visual Sound Effects to get a general sense for where something is then I use my ears for figuring out specifically where they are.

I haven't had that issue.

In the grand scheme of things how are my Razer Blackshark V2 Pro? They have served me pretty well but as mentioned it's starting to wear out.

R.I.P just died. Was playing a ranked match and got swarmed by 5 people in ranked reload. Diamond III.

[thick scaffold]

Good oled monitor under $500?

Probably 1440p 27”

[errant edge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BR7scf/msi-mag-271qpx-qd-oled-e2-265-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-mag-271qpx-qd-oled-e2

[thick scaffold]

This is for a friend btw,m

[thorn kayak]

Your friend will be happy with the above mentioned monitor

[thick scaffold]

I know

I knew what it was just forgot the link / name

[thick scaffold]

What does this offer over HDMI 2.0 / DP?

[misty gyro]

It'll do the full 240Hz over both using DSC (display stream compression)

[thick scaffold]

@errant edge and what’s the good mini led around $200?

[errant edge]

Acer xv something or other p3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7QsV3C/acer-nitro-xv275u-p3-270-2560-x-1440-170-hz-monitor-umhxxaa302

In the UK there's a new koorui 1440p 240hz mini led thats really nice, but idt it's made it's way to the US yet

I lied
https://www.amazon.com/KOORUI-Monitor-240Hz-Gaming-Mini-LED/dp/B0D9J5KTD6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_vs_ar?

[thick scaffold]

I got my OLED yesterday

It’s 100% better

Colors soo bright, blacks soo dark, haven’t even experienced HDR, Gsync, or 240hz yet

Also 1440p 27” is amazing

I can’t see pixels anymore

[tribal spire]

That's kind of the point lol

[small warren]

Can see why I was so persistent about it eh?

💀

[thick scaffold]

Definitely

Almost too much for me to handle

The reds are the most dramatic

I might needa turn down my vibrancy

[visual pilot]

It makes how IPS is backlit obvious when placed next to IPS lol

[thick scaffold]

Yeah definitely

[rocky cypress]

🧐 you mean next to oled

[visual pilot]

Oled makes how IPS is backlit obvious when Oled is placed next to IPS

[thick scaffold]

Oled next to ips make ips obvious when oled is next to ips showing the differences between oled and IPs

[small warren]

IP addresses make orange lead next to backlit obvious when placed next to internet, yes.

[thick scaffold]

Back lights are internet when obviously orange next to oled

[prime sun]

Any good cheap mini led or similar goin on rn?

Pref 1440p 180hz+ lol

I dont have the time to go deal searching 😭

[small warren]

XV275U P3 if it's still 189.99 on B&H @prime sun

[prime sun]

Sweet, tysm

[static shuttle]

s

[thick scaffold]

yall think this is a fitting background for an oled?

its animated btw

i thought it would be good since its dark and moving as to prevent burn in

[rocky cypress]

Pipes

https://tenor.com/view/computer-retro-90s-gif-15870126

[misty gyro]

The return of the screensaver comes as a herald to a new OLED era

[thick scaffold]

I did notice with OLED that text is a bit wonky

It’s still very good

But there’s just something strange with text

Still better than 1080p 32”

[misty gyro]

Search in Windows start for "cleartype" and that control panel item will help with the clarity

[thick scaffold]

Ty

Will it ruin gaming tho?

[misty gyro]

It shouldn't affect gaming at all, only text

[fossil gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqLKyyf_bfU
This is interesting; has anyone else seen test like this?
I've always heard that ultrawide has a bigger perf impact than increasing 16:9 resolution does, because you're getting more game/ground and less sky.
But his results are that on average UW was only 17.8% more demanding with a 34.4% pixel increase

[visual pilot]

It's still just running more pixels, going from 1080p to 1440p doesn't drop your performance by half, you lose like 30%

[misty gyro]

Did they change the FOV or just the resolution

If they kept the FOV the same the game looks stretched and goofy

[fossil gust]

UW game footage [in the vid] doesn't look stretched to me

[misty gyro]

Was it captured by the PC or with a camera

[fossil gust]

pc

[misty gyro]

That's not representative of how it looks in real life then

[fossil gust]

his rig seems to have an ultrawide though

so I assume he used that, and did black bars for the 16:9 test

[misty gyro]

I think that 5800X3D is going to throttle a few of those GPUs at 1440p too

Especially the 4090

The memory is at 3200 so I'm guessing the fclk is at 1600 too, which is another problem

[small warren]

I've tested this and you can quite easily do the math on most games

Work out the pixel fill rate, and then distribute that into the resolution, OR

[fossil gust]

He did highest settings with no upscaling, if that matters.

[small warren]

Test in both resolutions, work out the ratio of pixels

And the performance should be almost linearly scaled to the pixel count

For example, 4K is 4x1080p screens in a square

3x1080p Ultra wide was quite literally some 133% of my 4K performance

I haven't watched the video but if he used upscaling at all in any capacity then the results won't be represented well

[fossil gust]

He didn't

[small warren]

Ah then it's probably a decent test

But most of the time it was directly linear when I tried it

Variations depending on how gpu bound I was

GPUs are just pixel factories mostly at the end of the day

[fossil gust]

but 4k isn't 4 times as intensive as 1080p is it?

[small warren]

In many cases it's actually quite close to that lol

[fossil gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP2JiYkseVU

[small warren]

These days you'll see 1080p representation but not 4K for complete gpu bottlenecking

Or vice versa

There ends up cpu bound in a lot of it for gpus that can't run at full speed at 1080p, or they just don't show 4K cos, well who would play 4K on a 1080 these days right?

[fossil gust]

In this the lowest I'm seeing is 4k being 39% of 1080p. Average is more like 45-50%

nothing close to 25%

[small warren]

But you will find in a lot of cases the change to a higher res is very reflective, time spy is a pretty good active demonstration of pretty linear scaling

[small warren]

Again, cpu bound tests weigh a difference

If you're 100% gpu bound at 1080p then going to 100% at 4K isn't common in games

Good example

The scaling is almost directly relative isn't it?

[fossil gust]

but it's not 25% from 1080 to 4k

35%

[small warren]

34% ye

It's pretty close

[small warren]

I think I need to edit this for emphasis

Cos if a game scales even 5% from a cpu change then ofc the ratio isn't relative

Think it's important to consider it in this metric though because it makes estimating where a gpu will roughly perform a lot easier to work out

[misty gyro]

It's still very possible to be CPU bound even with 1440p ultra on the 4090

Doubly so if it's anything less than a 7800X3D

[fossil gust]

ok but disregard the 4090 result and the perf decrease going ultrawide is still an average of 19%

vs that 34ish% pixel increase giong to UW

I just find that interesting cause I've always heard UW is relatively more demanding bc of the "more ground and less sky" thing

[misty gyro]

It's not a true test is my point. It's a relatively realistic one, but when you're doing it for the science you need to eliminate all variables.

[fossil gust]

I just don't see how cpu is a factor in this test, even if it is in some of the others

[misty gyro]

You picked cyberpunk to illustrate with, one of the most CPU demanding titles on that list, assuming they're in a city area and not the built in benchmark. Built in benchmarks are flawed by design.

[fossil gust]

even with ultra RT, no upscaling?

my bad

uhh

tomb raider?

idk the least cpu demanding one

[misty gyro]

That's almost always going to end up CPU bound, let's see it

[fossil gust]

Looks like forza has the lowest gaps

wait, that just means resolution increase had the least impact

might just be cause the sides of the screen on racing games don't have a lot going on?

[small warren]

All encompassing point I make here

Fal is just better with words when I'm not at least 2 coffees down in a day

[fossil gust]

ok but just ignore the 4090 results then?

[small warren]

[small warren]

Basically many games these days have a lot of weight in cpu bound scaling now

So taking the measurements when we were very much gpu bound a few years ago makes it way more difficult

But again, consider the gpu as like a pixel factory

If there's 75% more pixels, it'll render 75% slower

But the games themselves these days have cpu scaling even at high resolution

So you could even do this in reverse and measure cpu scaling

So again, the video is probably quite good, but the raw weighting of hardware scaling on each game in a test will make all the difference in the result he gets

If for example one of the tests was say, factorio

Cache and ram scales off that more than anything else, gpu and also cpu aside

SSD's can also play a role, so do windows installs and their bloat

So it's better to compartmentalize the different hardware pieces to recall back the general effect by what they influence

Might sound like I'm a bit wishy washy here but the all likeliness of an ultrawide having lower scaling issues than expected is likely due to the test suite and what degree of bottleneck each game has

But the hardware itself is much more linear and direct

[fossil gust]

so like, would the same methodology but with a 7800x3d and 3060 (lower tier card with enough vram it won't choke) be a better test?>

[small warren]

It would help measure the other side of the spectrum yeah

Like, 14900K, 285K, 13600K, 7800X3D, 7600, 9800x3d etc

It sort of bores deep into the reasoning why reviewers benchmark using suites that exaggerate the bottlenecks

This is a really telling graph

4090 is so cpu bound here it's not even funny

It actually communicates what I'm saying quite well

Guardians is another really telling test

You can see how the game gets more cpu bound the higher tier of card we go

So the 1440p results can't improve vs the UW results that can

[fossil gust]

OOOOHHHHHHH

I get it now lmao

[small warren]

Haha sorry lad, like I said, I'm bad with words until I have my coffee

[fossil gust]

nah i'm kinda tired too, no worries

[small warren]

Ya so now you see it, the gpu basically plays the role as a pixel factory

And the cpu enables that as much as possible

As does the other hardware

[fossil gust]

yeah I understand cpu bottlenecks I just wasn't quite connecting all the dots i think

[small warren]

So, while he had good intentions, and he's not entirely wrong given again, many games are more cpu demanding now, the raw representation isn't well communicated in his video

When I tested this a long time ago I worked out by playing with things like render resolution scaling I could create a very linear projection of how the gpu performance varies

You can see this sort of thing very well if you play with 8K, 16K render

Provided the bus can handle it cough cough 40 series

But this is a really good learning point, because now you can use the rough reviews that you have been comparing for approximate gpu performance, weigh that up against the approximate cpu difference, and apply that to how it scales to the resolution

Everything sorta, just falls into place quite well

So yeah he ain't wrong, just not completely right either cos the framework obviously wasn't in the vid lol

[fossil gust]

Guess who just found out they didn't actually have freesync/gsync enabled even though they had it turned on in the monitor settings

I had some small tearing but hard to notice so I figured it was just like a poor implementation or something

Turns out you have to toggle it in the Nvidia app as well

Thanks CS2 for being literally the only game I've played that told me gsync was off

[misty gyro]

Yeah if the monitor isn't certified by nvidia you have to tell it to enable for all types of monitor first

[autumn lagoon]

@prime sun

Thoughts on this monitor?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QrZXsY/koorui-gn10-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-gn10

[errant edge]

Very good

Very very good

[autumn lagoon]

$300 good?

Versus the other mini-LED's $190?

[errant edge]

Hmm

What're you using the pc for?

Are you doing competitive first person shooters a lot?

[autumn lagoon]

FPS games are one of my favorite genres, yes.

[errant edge]

Games like call of duty, or more like valorant, ow and esports type deal

And i forgot, what cpu/gpu did you end up going for?

Sorry for all the questions

[autumn lagoon]

Think more Halo, Helldivers, Space Marine 2. Yes, I'm aware two of those are third person.

Ryzen 7 7700 and RX 7900 XT

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/ThelVadam4321/saved/YDsWrH

I don't really want to go above 1440p, but I'm looking to get at least 180hrz if I can.

[errant edge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1dv3ils/review_of_koorui_gn10_27_monitor_as_an/

[autumn lagoon]

I actually was looking at that one, but am not quite settled yet.

I found it on Amazon for $300. May go for it, but was mulling over alternatives first.

[errant edge]

$110 is a big jump thats the only hesitation I have

Oh it has a $30 coupon on amazon, it's $270
https://www.amazon.com/KOORUI-Monitor-240Hz-Gaming-Mini-LED/dp/B0D9J5KTD6/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_vs_ar_sspa?

Still an $80 diff

[autumn lagoon]

Are there any catches to using those coupons or is it just like a promo code?

[errant edge]

Just a promo code

[autumn lagoon]

Would you pull the trigger?

I'm more or less willing to go up to that $300 line I think, and this does look like one of the best in that price range.

I can't find anything with a higher refresh rate in this price range at least.

[errant edge]

It looks to be one of the best mini led panels, but i can't find anything comparing it to the aoc or acer mini led

[autumn lagoon]

Does running a 1440p monitor at 1080p look worse than 1080p on a 1080p monitor?

[errant edge]

You shouldn't need to

7900xt is a beast

[autumn lagoon]

I ask because of this:

[errant edge]

Sometimes downscaling can be a bit funky

[autumn lagoon]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-pg32ucdp-32-uhd-dual-mode-4k-240hz-fhd-480hz-rog-swift-woled/p/N82E16824281314?Item=N82E16824281314

This is more hypothetical

[errant edge]

Oh

With something like that no

It's meant for that

[autumn lagoon]

But it looks like it only gets its max framerate at 1080p.

[errant edge]

Id sooner suggest this tho
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

Oled at 240hz is absolutely smoother than mini led or ips at 240hz

[autumn lagoon]

Really? Refresh rates across panel types are not equal?

[errant edge]

It's more than that

[autumn lagoon]

And what of the burn in problem? How bad is it?

[errant edge]

Oled is smoother, less/smoother motion blur, faster response time

[autumn lagoon]

Also as an aside, I can't seem to find a Thermalright Phantom Spirit for under $50. There were listings at $35 when we spoke this morning, but they've all dried up and I'm a little perturbed.

I guess I'm getting a little choice paralysis when it comes to monitor options. The reddit reviewer seemed to indicate he needed to play with the Koorui GN10's settings to get the optimal experience. I don't know if I know enough to even be a color accuracy snob with my monitors though so maybe default settings would look just fine to me.

[errant edge]

Idk i think they're going to release a new cooler line soon. They recently released the rk120 se, which will be more than fine

Or a peerless assassin 120

Thats the phantom spirit with 1 less heat pipe, slightly older but nearly as good.

Burn in shouldn't be an issue, I'm not the most educated on burn in but if you scroll up we had a conversation about it recently (I'm not sure exactly where and i couldn't find it, so maybe don't waste the time idk)

You can download a color profile online, but I'm not sure there's one customized for the gn10 available anywhere with how new it is

[autumn lagoon]

The Royal Knight looks identical to the Phantom Spirit. Should they be functionally equivalent?

[errant edge]

That'll be a thing with any monitor

[errant edge]

Yeah

7700x is super easy to cool, don't worry

And when it comes to monitor, look at it this way

Any of these monitors is going to be an amazing experience

Mini led with hdr1000 looks fantastic, and most people won't see a difference between 144-240hz

Oled is fantastic, but is still relatively new and expensive. If you want to spend the money for that edge, then you can, but its not going to be dissaponting if you don't

[autumn lagoon]

Is that something you just run in windows or on the monitor itself?

I've never heard of that before.

[errant edge]

It's not mandatory, I don't remember exactly what I did for it

Rtings.com had a colour profile for mine that I downloaded i think?

[autumn lagoon]

On the one hand, I want to sleep on it, on the other I'm half-worried that any of the monitors we've discussed will be gone or have jumped in price by the time I've decided.

[errant edge]

The acer has been that price for a while, oleds have been around the $600 mark for a while, were $400 recently on sale, and have been at $500 for maybe a week ish?

[autumn lagoon]

I'm leaning towards the GN10 or the AOC mini-LED. $270 w/ coupon and $250 respectively.

The GN10 is the higher refreshrate of the two though and that does matter to me.

Is the GN10 that new?

The review is five months old at least

[errant edge]

I think it just came to the US market recently

And there's just no official reviews on it that I can find

And nothing comparing it to any of the other options

[autumn lagoon]

Side question: what is backlight bleed? Since I'm running an old LCD I probably have it, but don't recognize it

A lot of the amazon reviews for the GN10 make reference to a 24" monitor and 165 hrz refresh rate which makes me wonder if they're even reviewing the same product.

[rocky cypress]

Backlight bleed is when the edges of your screen look a bit white from the backlight leaking out

you can check if your monitor has backlight bleed by using it in a dark room like at night or with blackout curtains, then make your monitor display a black screen

My monitor has a little bit on the corners

It shows up a bit more on camera than I actually really see with my eyes

And mine is at a level that only a black screen will be able to see these backlight inconsistencies

this is an example of bad backlight bleed

their room isnt fully dark and they still see a significant amount of backlight bleed

actually, mine seems to be considered ips glow rather than bleed, since bleed ususally is bright enough to notice even without a black screen

[autumn lagoon]

I decided to pull the trigger on it. I can't find anything else at 240 hrz for $270. I guess I'll be one of the review datapoints. If I hate it, I'll just return it.

[slim niche]

are there any good under 170 usd >120hz 1440 ips monitors?

[errant edge]

Dell g2724d

$150

[serene fractal]

Anyone know if a good moniter that is pretty big for under 200?

[errant edge]

What're you using it for?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kL3F8Q

[serene fractal]

Just a moniter for a gaming pc lol

[slim niche]

would it be worth the upgrade to Acer VG271U M3bmiipx?

[errant edge]

No

It would be for the acer xv275u p3 mini led

$190

[thick scaffold]

whats the big difference between
AOC Q27G3XMN 1440p 180Hz Mini LED $279

Acer Nitro XV275U 1440p 170hz Mini LED $190

[thick scaffold]

oh my god bros literally answering the question before i asked

[errant edge]

It's actually a diff monitor but I would still say the same thing, the aoc mini led is nice (I own it) but its not worth $90 over the acer mini led

The koorui gn10 mini led 240hz is either $270 or $300 on amazon, but there's no official reviews on it yet

@autumn lagoon just bought one

[autumn lagoon]

I probably won’t have it in my hands for nearly a week and likely won’t be able to truly test it until late this month if at all due to the delivery times on my new PC parts.

I can share my opinion on it when I’ve spent some time with it though.

[thick scaffold]

@errant edge If my friend wants a 240hz monitor around $300 is this good? Its $350 https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/32-odyssey-g65b-gaming-hub-curved-gaming-monitor-ls32bg652enxgo/

its like the highest rated monitor on rtings.com

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-g6-s32bg65

he might get the 27" one

[errant edge]

Rtings is much smarter than I am

Gn10 is the only other option, and it's new so I don't know how good it is

[misty gyro]

With how cheap monitors are getting right now, edge lit at $300 feels icky

[thick scaffold]

he wants 240hz

and doesnt want oled since burn in

cause he does tons of static stuff

he does have a 4k oled tv for movies and solo video games

but the monitor purely for work and comp

[misty gyro]

I never said anything about oled, just edge lit being bad. They actually die faster than oleds.

[errant edge]

https://www.amazon.com/KOORUI-Monitor-240Hz-Gaming-Mini-LED/dp/B0D9J5KTD6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_vs_ar

But no official reviews like I said

[misty gyro]

I always try to back up my claims https://youtu.be/wiO4b37RsIk?si=7xLG7QQ1mlM2680z

[thick scaffold]

soo worth to try?

but like cmon

the odyssey g6 is one of the top rated

it really cant be that bad

and especially at $300 with a .edu email

[misty gyro]

It was one of the top rated on the old testing methodology 2 years ago

[thick scaffold]

v2.0

[misty gyro]

Mmm no 1.2

1 year and 10 months ago, almost to the minute

[thick scaffold]

so what would you rec otherwise?

[misty gyro]

I think this would be a better option, even though it's 180Hz since most people can't tell the difference between that and 240. FALD is much nicer than edge lit.
~~https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-neo-g8-s32bg85~~

[thick scaffold]

$300 27" 240hz non-oled gaming monitor

1440p

$700...

[misty gyro]

Whoops wrong link

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g3xmn

[thick scaffold]

already sent him that

theres also the cheaper $190 one

[misty gyro]

Is the cheaper one FALD or edge lit

[thick scaffold]

mini led

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1784672-REG/acer_um_hxxaa_302_27_wqqhd144hz_va_monitor.html

[thick scaffold]

but if he were to get 240hz at $300 what would u rec?

[fossil gust]

mini led or oled at 165-180hz >> ips or va at 240

the exception being an actual esports professional

not "i'm competitive and play ranked" but actually does it as a job

and tbh I wouldn't be surprised if we see pros switching over to high refresh oled soon. the motion clarity is incredible

[misty gyro]

There's 480Hz oled now too

https://shop.asus.com/us/90lm0a20-b01ab0-rog-swift-oled-pg27aqdp.html?awc=31828_1733782744_6a1ccf1254e3ffd0b4e6ef00e89a7e7e

[fossil gust]

I wonder if those super fast TN panels are still preferred over oled for pros

or if it's just a matter of prices dropping enough to get them to switch

[misty gyro]

I think it's usually more a matter of who's willing to pay them the most money to use their monitors

[fossil gust]

oh like sponsors

good point

[misty gyro]

Yeah most pros use sponsored hardware, with maybe 1 or 2 personal picks

[errant flax]

How should I adjust my monitors color settings and such?

[rocky cypress]

there are some settings on the OSD but ususally you adjust the colour settings in windows

adjusting them by eye is often not accurate though

[errant flax]

OSD?

[rocky cypress]

On screen display

Basically the monitor's controls

[errant flax]

oh ok

i was using those earlier