peripherals-and-displays

[queen sigil]

inside the stem????

[daring zenith]

Bottom side

Inside

Whatever you want to call it

[queen sigil]

and u usually dip the brush once for the stem and then again for the housing

[daring zenith]

Buttom of the brown thing :p

[queen sigil]

then the spring u do it all sepretly

follow a tutorial

[daring zenith]

Yea I tried doing the housing but it made no difference

Maybe I'll go find a tutorial, but this is just a test with gat browns, I'll actually lube the T1s that'll be coming in by a tutorial

Lemme try lubing a switch with more lube and all of it

More lube

@queen sigil alright more lube helped, it actually sounds better and feels a bit better now

[queen sigil]

[daring zenith]

Phone audio crap, doesn't actually pick up the sound

[queen sigil]

also ur mashing those keys

[daring zenith]

Yes I am

Side note, I think my desk is uneven

Welp, good to know, that's enough lubing for today, gonna wait for T1s to actually lube everything

[daring zenith]

@queen sigil btw, any real downsides to "too much" lube? I like having more lube it seems

[queen sigil]

less tactile

wet sound

all i can really thinkof atm

[tight pulsar]

mushy

[queen sigil]

yeah

[daring zenith]

Currently figuring out where not to lube to not lose tactility

As in, if I should go over the feets on the stem or not, and how much of a difference it makes

[timber ridge]

if you have spare switches, i would try how it is with it lubed and without

ppl lube legs when they want a smoother bump

[daring zenith]

I'm switching them in and out rn

Hm

It seems I shouldn't put any lube on the copper leaf thing

[queen sigil]

@timber ridge if u wstill wanna play a game u can inv me

[sly warren]

Not for Taxtile

*Tactile

You'll lose tactility by lubing the little copper legs

[timber ridge]

dont bully me

[tight pulsar]

the leaf?

[timber ridge]

i feel like a bot

[queen sigil]

it is gaming time

[timber ridge]

no leo you dont understand like

i cant even walk with correct crosshair placement

its bad

[sly warren]

[sand igloo]

are wireless keyboards generally okay? or is wired the way to go?

[queen sigil]

wired

def

[sly warren]

Yes, as long as it's Bluetooth and you aren't using it for gaming.

[queen sigil]

wired is def the way to go

[timber ridge]

@queen sigil idk how i didnt bottom frag

[white flame]

Settled on the hyperx cloud II. Had it at my local BB for $85. Thanks for the recommendations guys.

[sly warren]

sigh

Another person buying mediocre Headphones...

😢

[daring zenith]

mediocre is good enough

:P

[sly warren]

Mediocre is below average. Good is good enough.

[west hornet]

Cloud ii is good enough for a lot of people

One of the better gaming headsets out there

[sly warren]

It's still garbage compared to UR40s.

[swift lantern]

Just get the koss headset then 5head

[abstract shard]

but money

[sly warren]

The Koss headset isn't really great either.

[swift lantern]

[west hornet]

[sturdy sinew]

Quick question

so if I move my mouse on my mousepad slowly it seems to bog down

is this a sensor issue or mousepad issue?

[swift lantern]

What's the polling rate

[sturdy sinew]

1k polling rate

[rough warren]

Is the model o mouse from GMMK actual good or is it all about the hype?

[tight pulsar]

uwu friend is letting me borrow his hhkb for a few days

[timber ridge]

its p good if it suites ur grip type

[rough warren]

@timber ridge is it good for big hands

[timber ridge]

depends on how big and your grip type

most ppl with big hands from what ive seen use palm grip

so model o would not be a good option if thats ur case

[wanton burrow]

i think it's both the modeel d and o ar hyped

but many ppl that has prob medium sized hands (18-19cm x 8-9cm) would like to have the model o since it's great for finger/claw grip

[rough warren]

Oh well i don’t really know the difference tbh I have a G502 hero and I love that mouse I just want a white one to match my set up

[timber ridge]

when you hold your g502, does your whole palm come in contact with the mouse?

lemme reword that actually

claw grip: palm comes in contact and your fingers hunger over right and left click
fingertip grip: only your fingertips come in contact
palm grip: everything is contacting the mouse

[rough warren]

I’ll check when I get home I’m quite new to the whole m&k stuff

[timber ridge]

theres also a pic in pinned messags that may help

gotcha

[rough warren]

Also Idk the measurements for my hand but I wear a large/XL glove so I’d say pretty big.

[wanton burrow]

This helps alot

Gives u motivation

[rough warren]

Your phones almost dead might wanna charge it

[timber ridge]

rival 310, 710, ec1, model d

but out of those, ec1 prob the best option but it doesnt look very "gamer" like

[wanton burrow]

I unplug it when using since touchscreen gets funky if plugged

[daring zenith]

Uh are you asking about the GMMK keyboard or

Just asking about model o

[wanton burrow]

Get a ruler with cm meansurement

[timber ridge]

da v2 is pretty decent too

[wanton burrow]

Or inches measurement then convert

[timber ridge]

but i still think the ec1 is the best choice unless you wanna go wireless or some

[rough warren]

Does the ec1 mouse come in white

[timber ridge]

apparently there is

[rough warren]

@daring zenith well I was thinking of getting the keyboard as well but later on since I already have a pretty decent white keyboard

[timber ridge]

https://zowie.benq.com/en-us/mouse/ec1-white.html

gmmk pro is a decent pick but all their other stuff isnt

[daring zenith]

Just making sure because GMMK is a keeb

But gmmk isn't great

Gmmk pro is interesting

[rough warren]

I don’t like the red on it. My set up is gonna be pink and white

I have a budget board rn but I’m pretty happy with it. It’s just hard to customize the key caps because not many places I’ve seen make key caps that will fit my keyboard

[timber ridge]

if you want customization, the utlra custom wireless might be a good pick, its a bit smaller than the ec1

https://pwnage.com/products/ultra-custom-wireless-ergo

you can pretty much change it to whatever color u want

and what keyboard is it ?

[daring zenith]

As long as it's not Corsair, keycaps are pretty easy to find

[rough warren]

Well my problem is that it’s a 60% keyboard but it’s also got arrow keys which ik isn’t normal so some of the keys are smaller then usually on the right side

[timber ridge]

is the shift key 1u or 1.75

1u is like one of your letter keys and 1.75 is slightly shorter than enter

[swift lantern]

I think i'm gonna go with argons man

but which pads

[timber ridge]

only thing that sway me away from argons was the website

and i think it was sold out

[swift lantern]

yeah you expect to wait if you get them

which pads are best I wonder

[timber ridge]

idk

[daring zenith]

60% with arrows is 65%

60% with arrows and function keys is 75%

[rough warren]

No actually I’m being serious it’s the same size as a 60%

[timber ridge]

do you have to use fn keys for arrow keys or are they dedicated arrow keys

if its dedicated then its 65%

[daring zenith]

@rough warren image pulled off search engine

I like how it uses keychron keebs in the comparison :)

[rough warren]

It’s from dierya

[timber ridge]

i was gonna guess that lol

[rough warren]

No that’s what I’m saying when I say the keys on the right side of the keyboard are way smaller then normal

[swift lantern]

from what I gather I should get the lambskin pads

[daring zenith]

Did I hear dekoni pads

[rough warren]

I’ll see if I have a pic of my keyboard

[timber ridge]

its prob named dk61 or soemthing

[daring zenith]

Prob 65

[rough warren]

I still have the box I’ll see when I get home

But yeah it’s hard to find key caps for it especially since I want custom pink ones

[timber ridge]

maybe dk64 then

or 63

[rough warren]

I’m almost home

[rough warren]

see 60% with arrow keys

also the bottom part of my palm and the tips of my fingers are touching the mouse

[wanton burrow]

Damn

[rough warren]

why you say damn for

[wanton burrow]

Coz it looka nice and i want a wired 65% from keychron

[rough warren]

it was only like 50$ and it has wireless mode

[wanton burrow]

Imma get the C1 instead coz cheap

Nah i'd want it hotswap

[rough warren]

i dont blame you

[wanton burrow]

I'll just build my own custom one instead of buying prebuilt. C1 for now so i can try different switches on it

[rough warren]

what kind of grip do i have

[wanton burrow]

There's Tecware B68 that fits all my needs with the price less than K6 but it's always oos

How do u hold it

Does ur palm stick to the mouse or just ur fingers

[rough warren]

Like this

[wanton burrow]

Hmmm fingertip ig

[rough warren]

its like the bottom of my palm touches but then the rest of my palm doesnt

[mellow copper]

gmmk compact or razer huntsman mini

[timber ridge]

neither tbh

[timber ridge]

youre using claw grip

but you may be a fingertip grip user but your mouse is forcing you to use claw

g502 is meant for palm grip

[rough warren]

So a model o is good for me then

[timber ridge]

yea that is an option

you can get a viper, fk1 and xm1 too

theres quite a few mice for fingertip

[rough warren]

Ok I’m gonna go with a model o so I can get white with the pink cord. Thank you and to everyone else that was helping me with choosing a mouse

[timber ridge]

np

[shrewd yacht]

Does anyone have any recommendations for headphone amps under about 40

[swift lantern]

fiio e10k is $70 new

they frequently go for less used

[timber ridge]

yea e10k really the only option

[shrewd yacht]

Does this amp include like ports for xlr or only the headphones?

Because I don’t need xlr

Or rn anyways

[swift lantern]

it's just 3.5mm headphone out or 3.5mm dac out

[timber ridge]

xlr could be use for headphones too

but most budget amps are not gonna offer it

[shrewd yacht]

Oh but I’m sorry is there anyway you could recommend a cheaper amp as 70 was kinda like if you guys were like this would work but here’s this so

[timber ridge]

theres really nothing else tbh

you can only go up from there

[shrewd yacht]

Rip well I may not get the amp rn then lol

[timber ridge]

what headphones are you getting it for

[shrewd yacht]

The audio technica ath m40x

[timber ridge]

you dont need an amp for it

i would get new pads for them bc stock pads are p garbo

[wanton burrow]

5mm thickness extended mousepad?

[shrewd yacht]

I have new one on them rn but I was told I might want to get an amp but like you said I don’t necessarily need one but but I guess saving money is saving money lol

[timber ridge]

yea its not needed, but id recommend a zen dac over the e10k

its more expensive but its better overall imo

nice starter dac/amp

[shrewd yacht]

I can’t go higher then preferably 50 60 tbh

And if it’s more expensive then oof

[timber ridge]

then youre gonna jus have to save up or jus get a dongle for time being

[daring zenith]

Yea Meizu/apple dong might have to do for now

[queen sigil]

both arent good options imo

[timber ridge]

@queen sigil https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109480.0

[queen sigil]

yeah i saw it

id cop it tbh

(if I wasnt broke)

[timber ridge]

waiting for epbt hangul

[queen sigil]

why do u want korean

[timber ridge]

i jus want the bow kit

with black accents

ill take epbt bow cyrillic too

[wanton burrow]

epbt hangul bow

actually hangul is more optimal than japanese

[timber ridge]

i jus want kuro shiro tbh

and the sets i mentioned are basically kuro shiro but in dif language

[wanton burrow]

coz hangul is stacked up symbols and is similar to alphabet

1 symbol = letter

owo it uses hangul layout too

[royal sandal]

are the Razer Kraken Ultimates open or closed back?

[sly warren]

Neither, they are E-Waste

(They are actually Closed Back)

But, if you want a legitimately good pair of headphones that are good for everything. Koss UR40.

[royal sandal]

not asking for the sake of getting them

I have them

[sly warren]

Oh...

You poor soul...

[royal sandal]

have for a year now

trying to escape but wondering if I really need closed or open, cause if these are open then Im getting open backs

[sly warren]

Please, buy a pair of Koss UR40 and an Apple Dongle and free yourself.

[royal sandal]

can you just answer my question...

[sly warren]

I did.

They are Closed Back.

[royal sandal]

ok cool

[sly warren]

99.99% of Gaming Headsets are Closed Back with garbage tuning, mediocre drivers, and dumb surround sound emulation garbage that makes them sound like crap.

[royal sandal]

...which is why im trying to escape

[sly warren]

It's ~40 bucks for a pair of Koss UR40's and an Apple USB-C to 3.5mm dongle.

The dongle will sound better than your motherboard audio.

[royal sandal]

I use true wireless for my phone, planning on getting K371s or whatever they are called

and a DAC

[sly warren]

The dongle will be better than any DAC you can buy until you want to shell out 200 bucks on a Schiit Stack or JDS Atom Stack

[royal sandal]

Lance recommended a ZEN DAC

[sly warren]

It's a mediocre upgrade from a Dongle.

And why K371's?

[royal sandal]

again, lance recommendation

[sly warren]

Openbacks are better overall for gaming.

[royal sandal]

I want closed because loud house

I know about quality fall off and such

[sly warren]

I mean, if you want Isolation then get a pair of Etymotic ER2XR IEMs

-36dB of pure noise isolation bliss.

I can't even hear my Lawn Mower or Vaccum Cleaner when I put those babies in my ear.

[royal sandal]

I dont want isolation, I just dont want my family to sound like they are in the game

I want to be able to hear them yelling for me

[sly warren]

Then you want Openbacks...

🤦‍♂️

[royal sandal]

no

[sly warren]

Yeah.

[royal sandal]

these krakens are closed, right?

[sly warren]

K371's are gonna isolate enough noise to where you can't hear them.

Krakens are closed, but they are crappy closed. They hardly isolate at all.

Hell, some of the noise bleeds through into the mic...

[royal sandal]

well then I want crappy closed ig

perfect middle ground for me

[sly warren]

No

Just get UR40's they are cheaper than K371's

I'm not gonna recommend a crappy product to anyone.

[royal sandal]

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-UR40-Collapsible-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B00006JILE these ugly-ass things?

[sly warren]

Who CARES what they look like? They will be on your head.

Yes, those.

[royal sandal]

ok lmao

just commenting

no need to get offensive

[sly warren]

I'm not.

I'm legit posing that question

People always make the argument "but the looks!" and then you have to realize... You can't even see them. They are on your head.

Heck, my Fiancee just demo'd the UR40's yesterday, and she's normally looks picky. And she didn't even comment about the looks.

She was like "Damn these sound good!"

[royal sandal]

you sure?

[sly warren]

Yes.

She's also coming from a pair of Krakens

[royal sandal]

I see

are there any higher quality options?

not to say that UR40s are low quality

[sly warren]

For Openbacks, you don't get better until you hit the 200 dollar range when you want to buy a pair of HD560S's

[royal sandal]

I see

[sly warren]

And for those, it's recommended to have at least a Schiit Amp + Dongle

Sennheisers are notorious for liking an amplifier.

[royal sandal]

cool

so just to be clear

UR40

apple dongle thingy OR Zen DAC

mind linking the apple thing?

[sly warren]

Just Google Apple USB-C to 3.5mm dongle

And buy it DIRECT from Apple

Amazon sellers often sell knockoffs

I wouldn't waste my money on a Zen DAC

Personally.

[royal sandal]

a DAC has other things tho right?

not just clearing up audio?

one sec

[sly warren]

Typically a well made DAC will also improve the overall quality of the audio

[royal sandal]

?

just curious

this is all new territory to me

[sly warren]

Those are all gimmick features

On the zen

[royal sandal]

Ok

Fun

Can you link the dongle

Moving stuff around right now

[sly warren]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E2AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

[royal sandal]

Thanks

[sly warren]

For your PC, you'll need https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079LYHNSR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_QF33M6VWA8E373JTPTJ2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

If you don't have a USB C port

[royal sandal]

I have a type C port

No need

https://www.amazon.com/Apple-USB-C-Headphone-Jack-Adapter/dp/B07K25P3N1/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=apple+3.5+to+usb+c&qid=1616936809&sprefix=apple+3.5+to+&sr=8-3

Is this the same thing?

$2 cheaper and sold with prime

[sly warren]

You might end up with a Lightning Dongle, or a knockoff if you buy it through Amazon

Would not recommend.

[royal sandal]

Another thing:

What’s the difference between thunderbolt and Type-C?

Are they both the same thing?

Oh also

I do have multiple 3.5mm jacks on my PC

Dunno how much of a difference that makes

Forgive me for asking questions, I’m just trying to learn about all these things

[sly warren]

Thunderbolt is capable of faster data transfer and actually uses part of your PC's PCIe lanes. PCIe is a high speed connection between your CPU and other devices (Graphics Cards, Wi-Fi cards, SSDs, etc.)

Before USB-C, Thunderbolt had their own connector.

All USB-C ports support USB-C, but NOT all USB-C ports support Thunderbolt

[sly warren]

Those are for different audio inputs and outputs.

Typically Green signifies standard Stereo 3.5mm

[royal sandal]

I usually use the green one, or line in

[sly warren]

Pink is for Microphone In

The other ones are for surround sound stuff.

[graceful jetty]

anything I can do to reduce the constant hum from my subwoofer?

It hums at exactly 50Hz even if I disconnect all the cables from it (besides power).

The hum scales with the volume knob on it, so I have to keep the volume super low and bass boost the peck out of any music I want to play.

[gloomy berry]

SOunds like either the internal power supply has bad filtering or a filter capacitor poo'd the bed. What does it have for external power, a brick?

[sly warren]

I'd wager a bet that a filter cap has gone dead.

[sand igloo]

how can I reduce the noise from the blue switches on my mechanical keyboard?

[queen sigil]

trash can

but actually blue switch the noice alot of it comses from the click jacket and not the actual bottom out sound

so basically nothing you can do

[sly warren]

You don't. Because Blues are designed to BE noisy.

[sand igloo]

ah

thanks

[sand igloo]

not even rubber O rings?

[gloomy berry]

The click comes from a wire inside the actual switch

Like a spring, o-rings won't dampen it

[queen sigil]

not exactally but yeah

itll stop some of the bottom out sound but wont do anything to the click jacket

[rigid valve]

hi

im looking for a pair of wired headphones for casual listening and games etc around 100 usd

my first pick was Audio Technica ATH m40x headphones

oh and maybe audio mixing

which is why i looked at m40x

just in case

corsair makes headphones for gaming at that range which are good i've heard as well

[daring zenith]

kinda want to say porta pro, but no, corsair headphones for the price range are not good

[rigid valve]

ok

what's porta pro

[queen sigil]

Porta pros by KOSS

[rigid valve]

ok

[daring zenith]

Very good audio despite the looks
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-Porta-Headphones-Black-Silver/dp/B00001P4ZH/

[rigid valve]

oh man

[daring zenith]

porta pro+dongle might be pretty good

[rigid valve]

ion know man

cant get over that design lol

[daring zenith]

UR40 plus dongle maybe

dac is nice

[rigid valve]

so on the topic of dac

e10k still meta?

oh oh oh i forgot to mention

close back is a must

[little crater]

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-SHP9500S-Precision-Over-ear-Headphones/dp/B08B477BHS
what do yall think of these?

90 bux seems p good

[daring zenith]

Closed back eh

hm

open back is ma thing

[rigid valve]

its necessary for my environment
lots of people with very very very specific needs on how quiet it has to be

[little crater]

dang

dt770 are p good closed back

[rigid valve]

so ive heard

but they're a lil out of range

[daring zenith]

@little crater SHP9500 wasn't great so I assume SHP9600 isn't great either

[rigid valve]

here

[little crater]

oof

you can find 770 pros for 100

[daring zenith]

K371 sale also looks to have ended

[rigid valve]

wuh

where

[daring zenith]

Actually K371 still 120$ if you could stretch it a bit...
https://www.amazon.com/AKG-Pro-Audio-Headphones-K371/dp/B07WZH7WM9

[rigid valve]

ive been using this guide from r/headphones as a base reference to what is good and what is notsomuch

https://sites.google.com/view/headphoneadvice/home?authuser=0

[little crater]

usually ebay, but couldnt find any rn

[rigid valve]

rip

[little crater]

but they 140 new

[rigid valve]

oh my name change

how cool

[rigid valve]

amazon has them at like 160

luv the pfp btw

[little crater]

lol thx

[daring zenith]

This is nice
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WE1ddEKeg9OpD5cxr0vndr-0ZTy7EMk8smAHXuEggic/edit?usp=sharing

anyways

[rigid valve]

cicero is very anti-bass

not my type of guide

yeah so i really really want some l!ves but can't find any

someone said they discontinued

[little crater]

https://www.koss.com/headphones/wireless-headphones/porta-pro-wireless#

yoooo

[daring zenith]

wait they made it wireless?

[little crater]

there are wireless porta pros?

thats doooooope

[daring zenith]

mic too

Welp, anyways

[rigid valve]

are bigger drivers generally better

[little crater]

no

ignore driver size, it doesnt really matter

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

Wireless Porta Pros actually kinda suck.

Like, not joking

They F'd up somewhere in the design process.

[rigid valve]

oh

[sly warren]

The CAL SE's aren't.

The Creative Aurvana Live SE's are the "new" Creative Aurvana Live

[rigid valve]

out of stock on amazon lmao

feelsbad

but yes they are exist

thanks

[sly warren]

Oh, damn.

[rigid valve]

what is thou opinon on m40x

[sly warren]

E-Waste

[rigid valve]

ok

why

[sly warren]

They just plain suck.

Same drivers and tuning as M50X's, which are E-Waste too.

[rigid valve]

is there a certain part

that is bad

[sly warren]

They perform 1 job, and that's Audio Mixing. And even then you can just spend 200 bucks on a pair of AKG K612 Pros and get about the most boring, flat, analytical headphones you could ever buy.

When they were released, M40X/M50X were "good enough"

But, in 2021 when there are so many good banger headphones for dirt cheap. They just plain suck.

[rigid valve]

so uh

if i need headphones for mixing

are they good choice

[sly warren]

No

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

When AKG K612 Pros exist

They are just bad

[rigid valve]

those are double price though

[sly warren]

And?

The M40X/M50X aren't even neutral tuning

[rigid valve]

and im not infinity budget

[sly warren]

There's a hole in the mids and upper mids.

200 bucks is pretty dang cheap if you are doing any kind of audio mixing/engineering

[rigid valve]

:/

[sly warren]

There's people out there who are insane and use stuff like Focal Elex and Clear for mixing

And those are in the ~1500 to ~3000 dollar range

[rigid valve]

ion mean like professional mixing

but like

casual mixing?

[sly warren]

Casual Mixing? That's where the K612 Pros live.

[rigid valve]

thats great and all

but unless someone loans me 60 bucks

im not living in the k612 pro range

[sly warren]

Best bang for the buck flat ultra-analytical headphones.

The M40X/M50X are gonna have a hole in the mids, and be uncomfy as sandpaper on your head.

I know, I own a pair of M50X's

[rigid valve]

and someone said they have proprietary conectors

[sly warren]

No?

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

You can re-cable an M50X for like, 10 or 15 bucks.

Hell, my Sennheiser HD558 cable uses the same locking connector and everything.

[rigid valve]

but like could i plug a boom mic into the jack

on the headphone

3.5mm ofc

[sly warren]

No.

[rigid valve]

o

[sly warren]

It's a 2.5mm jack

[rigid valve]

well

[sly warren]

But, why would you want to plug a mic into it?

[rigid valve]

to use for not mixing purposes

like gaems

[sly warren]

M50X's legit blow for gaming

[rigid valve]

wym blow

[sly warren]

You'd be better served to spend 31 bucks on a pair of Koss UR40's

Like, they absolutely just trash any gaming audio.

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

Directional Audio? M50X's say "What's directional audio? I'm gonna give you left, and right and nothing else"

[rigid valve]

oh

[sly warren]

https://www.amazon.com/Koss-UR40-Collapsible-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B00006JILE

These puppies are AMAZING for gaming on the cheap

[rigid valve]

heres the thing though

i was looking at m40x and m50x

cuz open back is not an option

[sly warren]

Why?

Openback for Gaming is almost always superior

[rigid valve]

this is true

[sly warren]

Because of the wider sound stage

[rigid valve]

but the people i live with have decided

that if they can hear my headphones from across the house

its too much

[sly warren]

They won't.

If you have UR40's at a reasonable volume, you can't hear them if you take them off.

[rigid valve]

hm

ok

[sly warren]

Yes, I have tested that.

Yes, I own UR40's

Also, do you have a good source? Like a DAC or amp?

[rigid valve]

no

i was gonna get an e10k later

[sly warren]

No.

Just no.

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MU7E2AM/A/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter

Buy this.

Straight from Apple

[rigid valve]

why

[sly warren]

It's the best DAC you will buy until you want to spend 200 bucks on a Schiit Stack or JDS Atom Stack

No joke.

[daring zenith]

no

[sly warren]

Yes.

[rigid valve]

ooooooh

this is gona be good

[daring zenith]

It's good, best you can get for the price, but it ain't no dedicated dac/amp from 100$+

[sly warren]

It's still better than an E10K

[daring zenith]

Maybe

[gloomy berry]

Lol

[sly warren]

It's almost as good as the Zen DAC, and by the time you are buying a Zen DAC you might as well just buy a Schiit Stack or JDS Atom Stack

Cause it's only 20 bucks more for a Schiit/JDS stack if you are buying the 5v power adapter you need to run a Zen DAC

[daring zenith]

It comes with an adapter iirc...?

[sly warren]

Nope!

[gloomy berry]

Zen doesnt need power.....

XD

[sly warren]

Yeah it does.

[gloomy berry]

No it dont

[daring zenith]

Vintage, you have it, what connections do you need to run it?

[gloomy berry]

Usb power lmao

[sly warren]

It has a 5v barrel jack on it.

[gloomy berry]

Please argue

Please.

Tell me what i know

[sly warren]

I'd consider USING that instead of attempting to use 500mA of 5v power from your motherboard.

[gloomy berry]

Lmao

Clueless

[sly warren]

No, I'm not clueless.

[gloomy berry]

Yes you are

You have no idea what youre talking about

[sly warren]

They very clearly intended for you to use it with a DC barrel jack

Otherwise they wouldn't PUT ONE on the device.

[rigid valve]

vintage racer

what is your opinon on m40x

[gloomy berry]

They very clearly did not. It's optional

Not needed in the least

[sly warren]

Also, I wouldn't buy a Zen DAC unless you plan on buying some form of Balanced headphones since that's one of the things it can do.

[gloomy berry]

XD

[sly warren]

No reason to buy a thing and then just not use one of the features.

[gloomy berry]

Compared to those little dongles this thing bangs

[sly warren]

I'd bet my Meizu Dongle can get louder.

[daring zenith]

lol

[gloomy berry]

LMAO

k

[sly warren]

Ok, exception would be the Balanced output.

[daring zenith]

Meizu dong is kinda quiet for max volume

[gloomy berry]

I've used both

[sly warren]

Uhhh

On what universe do you exist Mr1111?

[gloomy berry]

Dongle and DAC

This thing stomps the dongles

[sly warren]

My Meizu Dongle gets LOUD

[daring zenith]

Mine doesn't get anywhere as loud as my fulla

[sly warren]

Like, ear breakingly loud

Well, ok fair.

[daring zenith]

I can use my fulla and my pc37x as god damn speakers

hell, I used them as speakers

[sly warren]

But, both are gonna get ear-breakingly loud if you crank them.

[daring zenith]

:P

[gloomy berry]

Yeah, my AKG's get stupid loud

[sly warren]

Unless you are driving some kind of 300 ohm beast

[daring zenith]

At meizu max volume I can still have it on my head

[sly warren]

Like Hurdur 6 hungeos

[gloomy berry]

Zen is halfway up, Windows is at 12, and it's plenty loud

[daring zenith]

:P

[rigid valve]

so uh

right now i have a pair of cowin e7 from amazon

and bass is too heavy muddy and overall not clear

[sly warren]

If you want bass, then you get CAL SE's

[rigid valve]

ill wait for them to restock

thx

[daring zenith]

K371/K361 would be great if the budget was stretched, but dac/amp would be nice to have with those

[sly warren]

Or if you want to blow 500 bucks, get EMU Teaks, CAL SE's are literally baby EMU Teaks

[gloomy berry]

It's also not about loudness, the clarity and sound from the Zen is hands down better than any dongle. Bass is good too.

[daring zenith]

I know we don't agree on this bit, but my experience with meizu dong just deletes the bass :P

[sly warren]

Still, at 130 USD, you might as well just save up a little more and get a Schiit/JDS Atom stack

It's only a 70 dollar difference

[daring zenith]

Which is a lot of money

[rigid valve]

ah yes

only 70

[sly warren]

(Before needing an RCA cable, but those are like, dirt cheap)

Just don't eat out for like, 3 weeks.

[daring zenith]

...

[rigid valve]

i dont eat out anyways

[sly warren]

GG you have saved at least 70 bucks

[neon quartz]

Clem#2897 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rigid valve]

oh newegg is clean server

ok

sorry

[daring zenith]

pg13 corporate server :(

[rigid valve]

ah yes

corporate

[sly warren]

I mean, the Glorious server doesn't give 2 craps about cursing.

So... It isn't "just corporate things"

[rigid valve]

oh yeah this is a weird request

[sly warren]

If the Zen DAC was 100 bucks, I'd probably give it a whirl

[rigid valve]

but im looking for minimal isolation

[sly warren]

So.. you want Openbacks...

But Bass...

The antithesis of eachother

Actually...

You could save up more money, and get HiFiMan Sundaras

Planar magnetic headphones have awesome Bass Response.

But they get pricey

[rigid valve]

you know

[sly warren]

You could arguably also go for HE400i 2020's

[rigid valve]

cal se looks perfect

i will wait for restock

[sly warren]

Those are cheaper, but still sound great.

[rigid valve]

thank you all

oh wait one more thing

opinion on too much bass in vmoda 100 or just enough

[little crater]

just eq it

if you dont like it

[sly warren]

Though, TBH I might get a pair of HE400i 2020's and a ZenDAC plus a Balanced cable to get the most out of the HE400i's

It'd be cheaper than Sundaras.

And probably sound 90% the way there to Sundaras

[little crater]

because "too much bass" is hella subjective

[sly warren]

And there's a difference between Good Bass and Bad Bass

[little crater]

^

[sly warren]

Bad Bass is Muddy and bleh

[little crater]

good bass, not to be confused with loud bass

[sly warren]

Good bass is thumpy, clean, and crisp.

[rigid valve]

how

[little crater]

software

[rigid valve]

anything recommend

free preferably

[little crater]

but, you still wont know until you try it

[rigid valve]

this is truth

[sly warren]

Peace Equalizer is a pretty good free EQ software.

[rigid valve]

ok

[gloomy berry]

This is a fantastic way to ruin a DAC or an amp. Read up about balanced conversion cables and internal wiring. Converting 2.5-3.5mm to 4.4mm balanced will end badly. https://www.moon-audio.com/balanced-adapters-caution

Don't recommend that to anyone ever

[sly warren]

Not a conversion

The HE400i has dual 3.5mm outputs and HiFiMan sells a Balanced Cable

It's not a single ended cable.

[gloomy berry]

Good

People here have bought those balance conversion cables and killed their hardware lol

Was not a good day

[sly warren]

Amazon for some ungodly reason won't let you "View Image" their Images.

[rigid valve]

wait the lives dont have detachable cables

no

[sly warren]

https://www.amazon.com/HIFIMAN-Professional-Headphones-Audiophiles-Stereo-Black/dp/B08BC5CM9N/ref=sr_1_3 Go down and look at the Review Images @gloomy berry

CAL SE's don't have a removable cable.

[rigid valve]

nooooo

[sly warren]

Why does that matter?

[rigid valve]

back to the headphone hunt

[sly warren]

You ain't gonna die without a removable cable.

[rigid valve]

mic

[sly warren]

Buy a 30 dollar FiFine mic and slap it on your desk

GG

You've now gotten better sound than any cheap mic cable.

[rigid valve]

thats great and all

but standing mics arent my thing

[sly warren]

🤦‍♂️

[rigid valve]

screw it

[sly warren]

Do you want something that sounds good?

[rigid valve]

im getting m40x

[sly warren]

Or do you want something that is gonna cost more and sound mediocre AF

[rigid valve]

worst case scenario i return

and cry

[sly warren]

If not bad

Or you can just buy CAL SE's and a desk mic, and be happy immideately.

And not waste your own time and money.

[rigid valve]

desk mic bad

[sly warren]

Why?

What is so "bad" about a desk mic?

[rigid valve]

well for one i have literally 0 space for a mic

and for two

[sly warren]

It literally takes up as much space as a Potato would.

[rigid valve]

and guess what

i cant fit a potato

not even an apple

[sly warren]

Clean off your friggin desk then!

Jeez

[rigid valve]

is clean

[sly warren]

My desk is tiny and I could fit like, 2 potatos on my desk

That's my desk

[rigid valve]

dang

two monitor

[sly warren]

I could easily fit a desk mic on this

[rigid valve]

nice lotion container

[sly warren]

My hands get chapped easily.

[rigid valve]

mhm

[gloomy berry]

I'll let you know how my ModMic is when it gets here tomorrow

[rigid valve]

ok

[sly warren]

ModMic Uni is pretty good.

I personally don't like the ModMic because I like to swap headphones a LOT

It doesn't come with enough little sticky thingies to viably put on all of my main headphones.

[little crater]

the dude above my apartment has this dog* * * * subwoofer

today he decided he wanted it extra loud

its so bad

[rigid valve]

lol

[timber ridge]

rip

[sand igloo]

p5 wallpaper

[sly warren]

I'm a big Persona fan.

If you couldn't tell.

[sand igloo]

I played vanilla, planning on getting strikers

[sly warren]

Play Royal also.

[sand igloo]

noted

from what i've seen it looks great

[coral summit]

Hey I'm thinking of getting a xbox wireless controller for my PC for forza and some story games like Yakuza. Is the official wireless adapter worth getting if you already have bluetooth? Or is bluetooth just as good? Thanks!

[royal sandal]

Bluetooth is fine

A wire as well works

The Elite V2 is fun

[coral summit]

So it should have the same latency and no disconnection issues?

[queen sigil]

I mean for forza BT wasnt that noticable for me

[coral summit]

Good, I'm currently using a ps4 controller with ds4windows and when I play FH4 its mpostly fine. But when I play Yakuza I have to disconnect and connect a few times until it works.

I want something that accurately works every time

[sly warren]

I don't have any issues with Bluetooth on my XB1 controller. But if you ever want to use the headset plug (Like if you were on an actual Xbox) then you would need the Official Adapter or a Wire.

[coral summit]

Thanks! And no, I do not need the headset port as I have a wireless headset. Or I if I use a wired one I connect directly to my PC.

[sly warren]

Even though I really like my Model O Wired, I'm really tempted to try out the Xtrfy MZ1 (The RocketJumpNinja mouse)

[daring zenith]

T1s will be here soon

[swift lantern]

I ordered ur40s cuz I wanted something dirt cheap that's hopefull better than gamer headset

until I can fix the other ones or get argons or whatever

[timber ridge]

should of gone with cal

ur40s are good, but youre a basshead lol

[swift lantern]

can't find cal

not the original anyway, just the 2, which is supposedly worse

think they discontinued them or something

[queen sigil]

how are ur40 imaging for like games and stuff

compared to like pc37x

@timber ridge

i need awnswers

[daring zenith]

@queen sigil I don't feel it's as good

Ima go try some more with ur40 tho

[queen sigil]

so ur saying ur40<pc37x

[daring zenith]

Yes, I have both next to me

UR40 is good, but it makes everything sound really close to you

[queen sigil]

my brother is thinking of getting new headphones and so was i

so i might just get his pc37x

[daring zenith]

This is my conclusion from audio in seg tho

seg audio is also weird at times

@queen sigil Re-listening to some clips using both headphones, it seems UR40 has really good directional audio, as good as pc37x, but everything is a bit loud and sounds like right next to you

[queen sigil]

[daring zenith]

(Discord compression prob makes it crap) But in this clip, with UR40, it sounded like the guy was close, probably right around the corner, not the other room, but with PC37x, the footsteps are quieter, as if they were further away, and gets a bit louder as the guy reaches the doorway.

[swift lantern]

Listening through a clip isn't exactly the same as in game

The clip is using true stereo and compressed audio

[daring zenith]

I was in-game with UR40, it sounded wack, so I went back to listen with PC37x

Pretty high bitrate, so listening to the original clip was probably pretty close to the actual sound I heard

(I know listening to clips with headphones is wack, but I noticed something in-game, and was wondering if that issue would be replicated with other headphone in the clip, because if that issue was the game, switching headphones wouldn't make much of a difference)

[timber ridge]

se edition

[swift lantern]

doesn't pop up

maybe they're just out of stock for now

[timber ridge]

prob

@queen sigil does he need open back bc k361 are nice for 100usd

[lethal grotto]

whats some good mics?

[timber ridge]

budget ?

[swift lantern]

how does using an xlr mic with an interface work when you also have a dac/amp

do you have to pick or does it work fine

[timber ridge]

are you asking if you can run both at the same time ?

[swift lantern]

ye

[timber ridge]

u cna

can*

[swift lantern]

ok cool

I think eventually I wanna get an xlr mic with an arm n all that jazz

[timber ridge]

im debating if i wanna go xlr route but idk

[swift lantern]

I've been so focused on the output side of things I don't know jack about the input

all the "pros" seem to go xlr but I don't know if in practical terms it's really necessary or not

I know past a certain point you basically require a pre-amp/interface or whatever

[little crater]

https://drop.com/buy/hifiman-he-400i-planar-magnetic-headphones

thoughts?

i think that for 150 kinda bangin

friend wants a decent pair of headphones for his pc, figured that plus a used shiit fulla from ebay would work pretty well

[swift lantern]

zen dac

[little crater]

zen dac too pricy

vs fulla for 65

also zen dac look dumb

[swift lantern]

bruh

150 is good yeah

[little crater]

dont you me

[swift lantern]

is there a cheaper amp that also has magic button

the magic button is crucial I tell you

[little crater]

what is magic button

[swift lantern]

the bass button

it's magic

[little crater]

magic u say?

[swift lantern]

It's just a hardware-based eq basically but it hits different than software I think lance can attest too

fiio e10k also has it but that's probably a bit weaker than the fulla

[little crater]

how would you say the 400I compares to something like the HD560s?

idk if you would know

ive never actually heard a planar before

not sure if a cheap planar is seriously bangin or not

[swift lantern]

I have tried a planar, and the 6xx

I have not tried a cheaper planar

I personally hated the 6xx, but apparently I'm the weird one

it depends on your preferences, if you want good clean bass with nice extension you go planars if you want the biggest oomph you go closed back dynamics obv

the 560s is supposedly the most "neutral" of the bunch which in my mind = boring

[little crater]

yee i felt my 560s were p clean tho

[west hornet]

you can easily select a interface as main input and different dac as output

[queen sigil]

lol i dont think he cares about sound but he cares about how they look

[royal sandal]

new shrug emote

wait you arent rommy

[queen sigil]

who is rommy

[royal sandal]

@dire tartan

[timber ridge]

they look fine

[wanton burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YXlTRYOo7Y

2x2 nav cluster lol

this board isn't searchable on google (i did, didn't come out)

looks like hidden release

[split snow]

K552 Kurama arrived and I LOVE it

its so sturdy

not cheaply built

nice keycaps

outemu blues weren't very loud

[tight pulsar]

yeah its 69 key/660 layout

[daring zenith]

Hm, I WANT MA T1s NOW

[tight pulsar]

no

[daring zenith]

It says by 9pm

it's 9pm

:(

unless they left it outside my door and didn't ring the bell

ima go check

[wanton burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[queen sigil]

TKC moment

[timber ridge]

lmao

[last plinth]

I ordered durgod hades 68

gat yelow

[timber ridge]

nice

mine has gat blacks

[swift lantern]

New intel dropped

[sad trumpet noises]

[sullen bolt]

can someone help me?

anyway I want to buy a xlr mic for around 100€ that I will use for.. most things.

Blue Ember? Audiotechnica at2020?

[west hornet]

If you have a interface, something like a neat king bee or the worker bee have really good sound for the price and if you can find it. The se electronics v7 is a nice dynamic as well

[sly warren]

I'd reccommend a Shure SM58 if all you are doing is Vocals.

It should be right at or around 100 Euros.

It's 100 USD in America, so... IDK how well that pricing translates to EU pricing.

O wait.

That's Pounds.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Why must the UK be the prissy one and use a different currency?

[tight pulsar]

lol

[west hornet]

looks red to me xD

[rustic sable]

Hey everyone, I'm new, so I hope this is the right channel for this question! My iphone's bluetooth SUCKS (known issue with the 6, and deeply out of the window for apple to do anything about it). So I want a bluetooth booster that can go in the lightning port. The only thing I can find is this https://www.newegg.com/p/0ZA-02C8-00010?Item=9SIAPTNBSH3690 but it's stupid expensive. Do you think I could just stack a regular USB bluetooth dongle with a USB-to-lightning adapter?

[sly warren]

Just get a Lightning to 3.5mm dongle and use wired headphones

[rustic sable]

I've been using wired headphones, but they're annoying when I'm running.

[sly warren]

Thread them through your shirt.

[rustic sable]

I do. it's still loud.

[sly warren]

Loud?

Your cable must not be well made.

I go running with my Etymotic ER2SEs all the time with the cable through my shirt plugged into my iPod Mini. No cable noise for me.

[rustic sable]

Hey, so this is not relevant to the question I actually asked, which is about bluetooth boosting.

[sly warren]

That doesn't exist.

You can't "boost" bluetooth

Does the iPhone 6 have a Headphone jack still?

If so, you could get a FiiO BTR5 or similar device and use your bluetooth gear on that and then hook the BTR5 to the Headphone jack.

[rustic sable]

It does - okay, this is more helpful.

[sly warren]

Whatever that weird lightning device is, it's probably bogus.

If it isn't made by Apple, don't put it in a Lightning port.

[rustic sable]

I know "boost" isn't the technical term. But what I mean is, there are obviously devices that extend the range, like the dongle for connecting a computer to a wireless controller or keyboard. I was trying to go through the lightning port because the audio jack ones have a reputation for weird background static and hissing.

[sly warren]

FiiO gear doesn't have that problem.

The BTR5 is actually a quite common way of converting a wired jack to Bluetooth.

And nobody I've heard using it has had issues with noisy output.

[timber ridge]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-c1-wired-mechanical-keyboard?variant=32321247182937

if anyone needs it

[queen sigil]

me with my grey on grey keycaps

[daring zenith]

@queen sigil currently trying out lubing T1s, is it normal it seems to get scratchier when I lube it or am I doing something wrong..?

[queen sigil]

probs doing something wrong

[daring zenith]

Hm

What might it be?

[queen sigil]

did u watch a video on how to properly lube a switch

and are you cleaning the swithc

[daring zenith]

O right

[timber ridge]

t1s come prelubed from factory

[daring zenith]

Forgot cleaning part

That's prob it

Now to figure out how to clean it

[timber ridge]

id clean it bc lubing tactiles is a bit more uh

difficult compared to linears

[daring zenith]

How should I clean it? Run it under the facet?

[timber ridge]

yea that or wipe it with a paper towel or some

some ppl go in with a tooth brush and brush each stem

[daring zenith]

Tooth brush might be a bit much

I'll clean these ones with water since there's 205g0 and factory lube on these

[tight pulsar]

just use a napkin or something

[daring zenith]

Yea, cleaning it and adding a bit more lube on the back of the stem got rid of the scratchiness

[dense forge]

hi everyone .. I wanna ask you about this gaming headset .. who use it ? what do you think is it that good to buy ?
"CORSAIR Virtuoso SE Gaming Headset"

[west spoke]

you guys know any quiet keyboards?
membrane or mechanical

[neat ridge]

Buy one from a swapmeet

[royal sandal]

shush troll

[west spoke]

whats that?

[neat ridge]

Whats what?

[daring zenith]

@dense forge what's your budget?

[dense forge]

take any linear switches .. cherry MX red or silver ones .. in any keyboard

[west spoke]

I have a otemu red keyboard but its loud as hell

[daring zenith]

Bottom out sound is wack

O ring might be a last ditch solution

[dense forge]

200$

[neat ridge]

Damn

[west spoke]

for some headphones!?

[daring zenith]

Hm, prob PC37x+dac

[royal sandal]

youve never met any audiophiles lmao

200 is perfect

[daring zenith]

Yea

[west spoke]

no

[dense forge]

yeah 🙂

[daring zenith]

Well, perfect for just headphones

It's weird if you add in dac price

[dense forge]

i am in the sweet spot ><

[daring zenith]

Something like PC37x+Fulla would cost what, 220$

[west spoke]

with 200$ you can get pretty much any headphone you want

[dense forge]

donnow but i want wireless ones

[neat ridge]

Bruh

[daring zenith]

@west spoke just...
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/sennheiser-he-1

[royal sandal]

?

[daring zenith]

Wireless is meh

[dense forge]

haha

[west spoke]

wtf

[dense forge]

why ?

[neat ridge]

LOL

[west hornet]

ahhh the virtuoso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBd5iG9cOs

[daring zenith]

Lmao

The first negative review from z reviews I've ever seen

[west hornet]

ye he isn't usually very negative

[opal mesa]

does that mean the headsets bad?

[royal sandal]

yes

[daring zenith]

One of the reason is you can exactly hang a dac on your ears, and good dacs are what gives you very nice audio quality, another reason is that there generally isn't any good wireless options

[opal mesa]

mk

[dense forge]

I have the hyperX cloud alpha S now .. doing fine no complains but the wire is annoying ,, even making my setup unclean ><

so i donnow should i stuck with it or buy another wireless one ...

[royal sandal]

just get one with a longer cable and manage it

[daring zenith]

Oh yea that reminds me the cloud wireless thing is decent

[neat ridge]

I have static issues with it -_-

[dense forge]

i hate cables

[daring zenith]

Headphone cables don't bother me for some reason

I got a wireless mouse and keyboard but

I like my amp/dac next to me

Time to bag lube springs

[tight pulsar]

lube lube lube

[dense forge]

I am watching the Z reviews haha .. he just like the build but when come to sound quality daaaamn hahaha

it sucks ><

[timber ridge]

do you need wireless headphones or headset?

[daring zenith]

@tight pulsar lube take so much time :(
This is all I can get done for today

Gonna slap on the stock switches for the rest and lube the rest tomorrow

[tight pulsar]

lubing is so fun

[daring zenith]

Btw, is it just me or are gat switches not great in terms of quality (in terms of tolerances)

My gat browns feel quite a bit harder to put into the board than these t1s

[sharp kindle]

It’s very therapeutic

Put on a stream and start lubing switches

[tight pulsar]

if some gats are really hard to put in and some go in easily that isn’t good quality but if they’re all tight that doesn’t really mean they’re bad quality

[daring zenith]

I mean, quality as in manufacturing tolerances from switch to switch

I dunno if there's a better word than quality

Consistency

[tight pulsar]

yeah

[rigid valve]

opinion on leopold

and what would you recommend for a fullsize with something similar to cherry red

in terms of switch

[wanton burrow]

gateron reds

the only switches u wouldn't want to pay more than 50 (for the keyboard) was outemu switches

[rigid valve]

ok

[wanton burrow]

other stock switches would prob be ok

but if u want amazing smoothness more than any other linears, c3 tangerines

tho u can only buy it as switches

[rigid valve]

hm ok

thx

[wanton burrow]

oh btw do u need wireless or nah?

if u wanna test out lots of other switches i suggest getting the ones with hotswappability

keychron C2

full-size, hotswap, rgb

tho u need to download third-party software to set macros since the keychron software isn't made/released yet

[rigid valve]

uh wireless is kinda

a thing

maybe

oh yeah i forgot to mention

rgb is a no

[timber ridge]

you can always turn off rgb

[rigid valve]

tru

but usually rgb keyboards have transparent key writing

to let the color shine thru

actually wait