#peripherals-and-displays
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@brisk parcel i really wanna scag a pc37x
but im getting
the truengines 3
rn
gah its at 70
as i mention i have also tried dolby atmos virtual surround, i will say i was surprised with the result, but only really liked it for games occassionally
but like if i get hte 37x imma have to invest in a amp
@brisk parcel can the 37x work with my hone
my phone is a xiaomi 9t
@normal barn get to you in a sec too
are the steelseries arctis pro 7 any good
not yet
are the steelseries arctis 1 wired headphones good?
@normal barn what's up what do you need
uhh
my question
if i get the pc37x
can my laptop and phone run it
without a amp lol
@brisk parcel
yeah you'll be fine
oh lol
its ez to run?
no amp needed right
i hear for the 58x if u used it on phone u need to crank up the voluem and stuff and my laptop isn exacly new but i have it plugged on power 24/7 so...
what this for
any good keyboards that people know about?
What budget for a keeb @gentle river
like less than 50
welll
if u want mecahncial
look at reddragon
otherwise
this is good for its price
Ur trolling cholax
says you
lol
no one like cable, but for some reason my headphone cable never get tangled
nice
@west hornet boi u lucky af
idk if it’s just teh design but my desktop headphone never gotten tangle before, my iems on the other hand...
lol
...
do you think rosewill will be ok?
maybe reddragon for cheap mechanical
ah ok
yeah
if he wanted mechanical redragon
can you confirm about rosewill though
or cheap wilreess
wait what are the different types
thanks
the blue switches are satifiying
blue loud
ehh
oh lol
looks cool
on pcpartpicker it says only red but on amazon its rgb?
very confused but o k
yeah ikr
for wat
let me send you the links
two
links
...
proabbly meant red switces for that model
or its a older model like my laptop keyboard is only red
but the reviews on amazon says it rbg and theres pics
just buy a keycult 1/60
4Heed JUST
Hello
@high fulcrum hi
Am I allowed to post pix of my board in here?
sure

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Guys what are the differences between a g703 and a gpro wireless
Idk
did someone @ me
should i get the model O wireless?
do you need a new wireless mouse
i have a crappy $10 mouse and i wanna upgrade
whats your grip type
Yes
claw
Or get a viper mini
he cant claw a viper mini
i have large hands so that wont work
A viper ultimate?
i have about $100 available
model d might be a better buy tbh
if you want to go with glorious
theres the ec1
skoll
xm1
model d
roccat pure owl, dm1 pro s
those are all good for big hands and claw
can i get recommendations for a 65% keyboard
i’m not really sure what i’m looking for, just know i want a 65%
is it too small?
thats because of a more pronounced hump, even though its so miniscule
prob bc the ec1 has a similar name
even just 1 mm can make a huge difference
its the same size as the Viper Mini but it feels alot wider
i c
though it still fits the same hand size
a large version of the XM1 would be like a Sensei Ten
similar shape just a bit bigger
thought the xm1 was same size as ec1 lmao
ggs tho, ill take it off the list of recommendations for big hands
@obtuse jay holy god
oo the mow was tempting
but now that the viper ultimate is 99
i think i would pick that up over the mow
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Any good keyboards for around 25 to 30 bucks
red dragon
@obtuse jay no way I just saw this vid
yikes
Came to discord and u posted ur iatneh
Keyboard
I said it backwards just in case
It's banned
Reason: Bad word usage
lets try not to get nsfw
might have to pick up that set for the gmmk pro
The sound test....was something
it was disgusting
@obtuse jay There's a youtube vid "Dpwf3Z5iAK4" or "I Made The Worst Custom Keyboard, Ever. (ft. BadSeedTech, Glarses, Squashy Boy, SpaceCables)"
it has your keycaps
@sharp pine
Gonna go check it out
Its close but not the same
My keycaps are translucent and aren't just ahegao prints
But I can see what you meant
@normal barn
Different caps
👍🏼
Anyone know how the razer black shark v2 x’s are, or any similarity apparently comfortable headphones in that same price range?
cad btw
hm modi/magni+6xx or vali/modi+58x
those are waaaaay out of price range lol @tight pulsar
black friday last year the 6xx were 160 and the 58x were 115
so im hoping to grab them when they go on sale in a bit
im afraid the blacksharks dont have much competition at around 60 dollars especially for a headset. takstar pro 82's have better drivers for cheaper
Time to return this MSI mouse, I need to figureout what to get
might have to regretfully move back to logitech and just keep returning the mouse
I'm not spending $100au+ on a mouse, just to solder it
Ah aud
30usd is quite cheap for a mouse, even with possible doubleclicking, it's good for US market.
i have no price limit if the mouse works for longer than 1 month
i believe you get alot more for a little bit more if you choose the 6xx over the 58x
it's not the point, i need a mouse to last longer than a week
(I'm saying it's good for US market, not for ya)
I'm going to get a shitty, madkatz mouse
also an Atom stack will scale better with Sennheisers rather than Schiit
razer are garbage, i'll never touch em
i'm just speaking not in relation to that
gotcha
i just want a good mouse to last longer than 1 month
Razer's mice are stellar. They improved their QC alot ever since their release of the Viper lineup
they dont have the best history in quality control but they have improved
ive read reviews and stuff and people say that the updated stack is basically the same as the atom
I still don't like razer for software being crappy
and just products aren't priced great
Magni outputs more power than the Atom, Heresy is more comparable
I would, but I just can't, i've been burned by them, i can't have corsair because that lasted 1 day before it had a click issue, can't use logitech because of the double click issues, now my MSI one has issue
and the logitech software does not work
@sharp pine go Roccat
i might do
heresy/3+ sound the exact same to people that did ab tests with them
alright let me check them out
would be great if I can get new switches in my gpw at some point
ROCCAT Leadr Wireless looks cool
it's got them dumbass side buttons though near the clicker
i tried that with that corsair one and it kept clicking as i moved my hand
thats to their ears, you have your own
true
also certain cans behave differently with op amps like you see in the Heresy
bloody wired mice the cords a pain
@tacit wing aight i'm going to try roccat
if it breaks it'll go on my s-list
Anyone know any really comfortable headsets under $75 or so? Don’t care for mic, and sound is already frikked from going through 2 aux passthroughs
how would they react differently? dont know the differences in how the amps are laid out
razer blackshark v2 x is what I had looked at before
This is where my knowledge reaches its limits 
oh lol
but in the case of 600 series Sennheisers the difference is marginal like you said
they are not exactly amp picky headphones
ic
if you dont care for a mic i suggest getting headphones over a headset
Takstar Pro 82, SHP9500, Status Audio CB-1, UR40's all have better drivers than BlackSharks
Ye that’s what I meant
BlackSharks are still great value tho
if you can find a pair of mh71s for a good price,its a rebranded takstar with a p good mic
Would actually prefer without mic, cause hopefully it’d either be cheaper, or same price but better other stuff
Yea
Meant headphones later
*mentioned I meant
everything dino mentioned are good options
No mic shp9500
that was fast

their new Burst Pro looks promising
@sharp pine roccat are built like tanks, u made the right choice
considering everything was breaking on you
yeah i don't mess around with this, lol
i enjoy stuff that's built like tanks, durability over function i guess
I also spent $400au on mic stuff
you can see the wear and tear in my chair that's 11 months old
the girl at centercom almost didn't replace the mouse, it was 2 months old, until she asked the manager, she was very new i think, she was all like "oh it's temperamental though so....?" and i was like "yeah because i'm not rough with it so it does it most of the time"
then she on her own talked to someone else and he was like "yep, if you can fault it, replace it"
and i'm like, "yeah bish, I don't want to have to go all australian law on you"
ended up getting a hard base mouse mat too
ready for my desks, i'll do a pic of my setup when I'm done
nice
PODMIC 
🦍 NICE
@tacit wing no iems for me, think im getting a monitor
i already have iems
the viper ultimate is v tempting rn
huh
No spending
this mic is great
Graphics cards 
you can't really hear me type and my voice is clearer than my astero a50
Podmic the best cardioid dynamic for under 100 usd
yeah this is really nice
its really good for not picking up background noise
i'm not a pro, but i like to have good things
it's just nice to know my voice comes through even sexier
the astro a50's i had to do some voice recording and the mic kind of fades itself in and sounds terrible
@last plinth monitor is an exception
my acer predator monitor is really good
astros are terrible lol not to be mean
the only reason i have this headset is the cups
most of their budget developing a product goes towards the marketing
the last astro i had, lasted a few years, the ear cups never died, unlike those damn leather ones
these were the only felt type i could find
over priced, but i know the damn cups won't eventually rub on my ears
@timber ridge yes but no viper ultimate what. So. Ever.
stay true to ur word young MaN
i love the corsair void pro headset i got a year or two ago
i tend to just have bad luck with preipherals
Kapp
im debating what to get rn
lance get the viper ult
my budget is like 300 ish for a monitor
dont let anyone tell u what to do with ur money
dino i gotta save lmao
its gonna happen eventually
true
think my viper mini is good enough
oh yeah idk why u wanted an ultimate anyway
I got a rival 3 warranty code from steelseries but its not in stock
my impulsive buying traits kickin in
already did
like a custom one
im building 2 keebs
mmmm
honestly getting into audio was an impulse decision
Are u actually building 2?
and i regret nothing
yup
Only wireless mouse i would get is g pro superlight or Model O wireless
gmmk pro and my eva build
i have recolored alpacas
and kat switches rn ordered
caps*
@tacit wing viper ultimate or mow?
or any other wireless mouse besides the g pro
literally the same shape just the Viper has no holes lol
also 69g. vs 74g is very marginal
so i should jus go with the mow
i thought u didnt like honeycomb
i give the mow the pass
u copping?
V Mini Wireless or MOW minus would be my endgame
imo
if ur tryna save
I would wait
For the new wireless stuff
Waiting for 2021 mouse has cons and pros
Pros = save money like u want, maybe get something better from waiting.
Cons = you spent >50 on a mouse, congrats
yea im wait for 2021 wireless stuff
the bar was already set when the Pro X dropped
stiff competition
also waiting for stuff can be an endless loop
"oh im just gonna wait till something better comes" and when it does, there might be new mouse looming in the corner
o nah, im get one in 2021
a lot of the current wireless mice are hitting their 1 year mark

i wanna see if razer is gonna do anything with their viper lineup for 2021
yeah Logitech reclaimed their throne again
back then the GPW had no competition till the Ultimate dropped
and now the MOW with the super attractive price tag
Honestly i watched a review on the superlight
It comes with grips
Yo
But it doesnt have some features that gpw has
;(
sacrifices need to be made when Logitech is too stubborn to put holes on their mice
or rather theyre too proud to put holes on their mice
Logitech engineers say no no
dino you building a keeb next year?
no lol
bruh
im sorry i just cannot find an interest in keyboards
fair enough
its purely a luxury
like lance said
its just about feeling nice and sounding nice
i like my music to sound nice but not so much my keyboard lol
i dont wanna fall into the audio rabbit hole
getting good audio stuff makes a big difference
like upgrading your 2.1 setup to 5.1
start small
tbh my gear as if now isnt bad, i jus need a dac/amp
like from headphones then if youre ready, move over to stereo setups
i did research b4 picking my gamer headset and iems
and got decent stuff for the price
get a K5 Pro
its a good foundation for a source
or an iFi Zen Dac
currently im trying to get a sennheiser gsx 1000 dac and a pc38x headset
you can pretty much stop right there if you want as far as sources go
you dont even need a stack
ill spend prob 150 max for a dac/amp
people are saying the zen dac is better
then get a new pair of headphones or iems later down the road
zen dac is better lol
youre out of luck, theyre above 200 atm
found a k5 pro for 200
balanced Pentaconn
so the zen dac is cheaper and better than the k5 pro
yes lol
crazy
it offers so much for the price, its pretty talented
also looks better
speaking of buying stuff, did cholax ever get his headset or whatever

cant decide which monitor to get and display chat is filled with unanswered questions
ima make the jump to 1440p
yeah dont u have a 3070
man, I should of copped a monitor earlier today, now its out of stock and it sells out so frequently
eh, dont wanna risk it
its already common to get dead pixels on a brand new monitor
my refurbished Predator had zero issues :))
must be nice
and also the packaging was booty lol
watch me order one and half the panel be flickering
like two pieces of styrofoam thats it
with my recent luck with keebs
i dont wanna test it
im either getting a viewsonic, pixio or gigabyte monitor
i would go lg if it was in my budget
yea thats how its been with my keebs
you know, my last keeb never even came
even tho it was delivered
according to amazon
my last two monitors was thrown like this and it still worked
i live in a gated property
and refurbished Predator was not packaged properly
ppl in my small town built differently
seems like they use packages as punching bags before delivering it
so the only thing i don't like about this roccat is it gets hot
otherwise it's good
feels comfy
damn near perfect hand grip too
i'll have to ditch the RGB i think not that i use it
@timber ridge like i told dino, im getting the truengines rn
and moondrop starfiled for christmas
but i want so much to snag a pc37x rn
oh lol
@hardy lantern didn u recoomend me the truengines 3
im snaging a pair
only liek 40
oh lol
even their regular tws like the ones that are shaped like airpods are pretty good
they have an app but i wouldnt recommend using it
oh lol can I change the touch controls tho
i dont like the one touch volume u or down
adn double touch for play pause
i long tap to change to next song on my right earbud and prev song on my left
2 tap to change volume, up on right and down on left
what’s a good mic boom arm that’s not too expensive in AUD
Would that be able to hold a blue yeti?
just got this couple days ago and am very happy with it. Was afrtaid it wasnt going to be sturdy but to my surprise its solid
it says it comes with the adapter for blue yeti but i cannot confirm as i do not have 1
it does come with 2 adapter screws though
Yeah ive spent so much $ on my whole set up that i wanted to save some money and have been pleasantly surprised at how well this stand has worked
yeh guess I could get a cheap mic mount as I wanna upgrade my chair as well
same lol,had my chair for a few years and the piston is dying,same with the leather peeling lol
Yeh also the padding is gone feels like I’m sitting on wood
yikes on that,only the surface has peeled,only one layer keeping the padding in rn
prolly going to get a new chair with money from christmas
:)
:)
Rode psa1 and blue compass are very nice but yes a bit expensive, im not too familiar with the cheaper ones
sigh
Antlion... why is the Modmic Uni cable only 2 meters long?
The stock cable I have for my M50X's is 3 meters...
I guess I could buy a 1m long 3.5mm extension cable?
it took me 2 years to realize that that mouse has buttons on the side of the scroll wheel
like
when i move the scroll wheel to the left and right theres buttons
;-;
never really looked at the mouse
it was also my secondary mouse
i got it for christmas that year
do u mean when u tilt the scrol whell
but i also got a g703
the titing scrool buttons
502 shape is not really the best. it sells because of it's features
Its not bad
Get it
if u can spend more theres much better options
what is clickyness to smoothness ratio
For what
gk61
I’m getting the gk61
or do u know the ratio for the hyperx keyboard?
Guys
oh yea idk if i can go gk61
csgo painting?
woah
75% and up hav function dedicated function keys
otherwise youre gonna be using fn1 and the top row number keys
Yea but
If hes gonna upgrade he can just switch the switches
Yea just stay with the hyperx if u want
if i upgrade i think i am going to go full
or maybe who knows
i might switch to 60% at some point in my life
but honestly i feel more comfortable with a larger keyboard since my hands are fairly huge and why not use them to full capacity
ya know
you wont feel cramped witha 60% but I dont recommend it
anything above a 60% is good tbh
61%?
my friend's pc just seems to be cursed at this point but it isn't detecting his headset via usb or aux. I went into device manager and all the right drivers were installed and stuff and we restarted the pc a couple of times.,
Any ideas?
does it actually show up
like as an input/output when u try to configure any setting
@jovial scaffold does the device in question work on any other machine?
Yes,
via usb?
it does show up on other devices. And no it doesn't show up as an input/output device in settings however the drivers for it show up in device manager
yes
and aux
it has both and we tried both
let me ask
and when you have the answer to that. does anything else actually work in THAT port?
ok, one sec
ok, so its in the front io port of the case and yes, other devices work in the port
has he tried "right now" or is he going of "this used to work" memory?
yes, right now, i just saw him do it
So a reinstall isn't a bad idea
it is not
as is the case for many problems lol
it is NOT a guarantee it will work thou
yes ik
i have to say it @jovial scaffold :)
lol ik :)
i never like smol keyboards anyways 😆
my friend made a custom 65 and it looked pretty cool
@last plinth wait until you hear about 40 percent
you checked sound control panel too right? to make sure it wasnt disabled or anyhting
yes
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same reason why ppl dont buy a full size
wait until you hear about 2 percent
lmfao oh crap
also doesnt chryosran say that like buckling spring switches are good
idk
Buckling switches are rare no?
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sound things, mostly discrete opamps
Oh
Saw there amps
So expensive
The selling broken up part s
At least
I think they're broken up
For like 100+
Anyone know what a S-key keycap set is? Corsair has it included in the box of a keyboard I want to buy.
corsair and keyboard are two things that should never mix
And no, i have no clue what an "S-key keycap" set is
the MOW looks really attractive but thats 80 dollars that could go towards audio stuff

alot of iems
budget headphones that i always talk about on here
80 dollars that couldve went to Sundaras
you tell me cntrl
Yes but if you really wanted those things you wouldve already bought it no?
idk

you wouldnt get anything at all
the only thing holding me back is the back order
and you know me, i HATE waiting for stuff
Late nov 2020 early december not bad
Just wait for susvara
Ahh idc if they are bad or not that name just so fun to say xD
i would have to get me sugar mama in order to afford a pair of Susvaras
those cans are beyond my blood lol
U have a sugar momma?
gotta secure the bag one way or another
Lucky
i said i would have to get me one
You said “i would have to get me sugar momma”
was thinking MOW or V Ultimate either of the two
we literally went over this the other night lol
as much as i like the v ultmate, the mow having type c makes me sway towards it more
man
WIRELESS MICE COMPANYS NEED TO USE TYPE C GOD DAM
What even makes type c better
Studio headphones with 7.1 drivers or a gaming headset with 7.1
no
any surround sound is a gimmick with headphones because its just two drivers
what is your budget?
UR40 or Status Audio CB1's
you can run on on-board audio on your MOBO
7.1 wouldnt matter on headphones because you need multiple drivers for surround sound
headphones only have two drivers, one on your left ear and one on your right
surround sound mostly applies to home theater setups, things of that nature
if you cant take my word for it, Linus made a video on it
for heaphones, no
you need headphones with good imaging
no problem glad i could help
cb1s are goated
if they had better build quality they would be perfect
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these are a steal rn
105 switches for like 27 bucks
Hello
Which headphones would be the best choice for home studio recording in FL Studio (and why ?) ? (hip-hop/trap/RnB)
DT 770 Pro
ATH M50X
MDR 7506
please @ me 🙂
i mean have u check out the razer electra v2 adn the tiamat v2
Perhaps dt770 pro or hd560s. They seem to be good for that stuff. I know one person that uses the 770s for FL and loves them。you can research it
Ath m40x isn’t a bad option either
I see. thanks for answering
I mean audio teachina has a big name in the audio editing indusitry
@west hornet #gaming
and 560s are pretty good
but isn't the m50x an upgraded model of the m40x
The 50x and 40x seem to have a bit of a different sound. I see most people prefer the 40x but not sure
i just need something durable and that i can rely on for daily production and occasional recording
mixing isn't my main focus at all which is why i did some research on closed back headphones and found these models
i saw quite a lot of professionals using the dt770s but also the mdr7506
but iirc the mdr7506s are quite outdated now and i should prob go for another model ?
Idk much about the mdr s
are there particular specs that I should compare between the model to decide what to cop ? Idk maybe frequencies supported (?) etc . I'm pretty new to audio gear but would like the best performance possible for the money i'll spend (comfort also, but for that i can watch reviews)
48khz is pretty standard, and for production something with a flatter freq response is probably the way to go
hi
altho they dont have the absolute BEST sound quality
🤔 darkvoice 336se for 200 on drop
o nice
budget headphones
@short radish razer headsets are comfy, but not the best sound or mic quality forr the price
kraken x usb is a good headset
super comfortable, stays cool around the ear, and has pretty decent sound quality
it's like some 40$
@west hornet thank you
razer kraken tournament edition is in sale 54$
yeah
dont get torunament edition
koss porta pro 40usd ez
kraken has yikes bass
i confuse, what was the question?
@west hornet thsoe games i listed
are the y good
and what happend if i conenct my laptop to the oculus
ive never played those games, oculus if the laptop has a usb c port then maybe, if the laptop is powerful enough. look to see if anyone with the same laptop has tried it before i suppose
Finally got another hd800 to compare side by side to the 95x
And it really can't compete
95x has way better trebble and way more detail along with way more accurate mids that also mesh into everything better and have better tamber
The 95x also has waaaaay more bass and sub bass impact
It has more sound stage obviously
But tbh imaging on the 95x is better imo cause it gives you more sense of scale of something
does anybody know a good condenser microphone thats under 50?
the razer seiren mini has pretty nice sound tbh and is right around that price, my main complaint with it was it seemed to pick up a lot of desk noise, resonating freqs, you can check out reviews. another good option would be the samson q2u although it is dynamic if that is not what you are looking for. @gentle river
...
cool thanks @west hornet
wat cholax?
i mean around the same price theres a hyperx budget one its like their budget quadcast
techne said that it blows the seiren mini outta the waetr
which hyperx
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this one
oh i have not seen that one yet
so if i wanted it just for like speaking would condenser be better than dynamic?
they both seem to have the same issue with desk noise tho
i mean tbh seriren looks liek a b u t t p l u g
thats what people said about it in the serien mini reviews
what people commented
i like dynamic because it picks up less bg noise, tho you haev to be a bit closer to it, then again you shouldnt be far away from mics anyway
the solocast looks the same as the seiren mini to me xD
cool thanks
...
do you know anything @normal barn?
About what
the dynamic vs condenser
Its pretty simple
^^
dynamic is also better in untreated rooms
Condenser is cheaper but has background noise
Could easily be fixed with something like rtx voice tho
i wouldn't say condensor is cheaper, just look at the neumann u87 ai xD
I mean most of them are
durability depends on the specific mic rather than dynamic vs condensor
jesus
here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y01N_L1VA4I
In today's video I explore the difference between Dynamic & Condenser microphones. I talk about how they work, what that means for real world applications, and then I help you decide which one is right for you.
00:28 - Part I: How do they work?
02:14 - Part II: How are they different?
03:20 - Part III: A quick comparison.
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thanks
no
i will not check out no damn Razer headsets 
@tacit wing u were talking
about how headsets fake the 7.1 surround sound
the electea and timat have like 2 drives and liek 4 subwwofer in each ear
The bro
its still bad man
Just cuz they have 4 subwoofers
A lot of pros dont have headphones with “7.1 surround sound”
even the headsets with the physical speaker system is very meh
headsets with multiple drivers are even more BS
those drivers are literally secluded in two enclosures. in the case of surround sound, those drivers just doesnt need to be left and right like stereo, they are spread out all around you
that's why its called surround sound
Yea
just get 5.1 speaker setup smh
lol
send halp, idk what keyboard to buy
redragon is apparently good @torpid jetty
i have no clue
i asked this place as well and thats what they told me
budget
as i said the most
noice
ideally i'd like to use like 100 dollars or something
usd
i'd say i want a tkl
i dont need a number pad but i like the other keys
60% is too minimalist for me
Whats the difference between the Sennheiser HD-458BT and HD-450BT
I see some people saying its the same, some others say the 458bt is much better
Lmao
U getting starfield format here
?
Starfield from shenzhen
afaik Moondrop doesnt have a US retailer
in exception of Drop, which they dont have much
Oh lol
shenzen is just selling through amazon

anyone
swear i lose a braincell in every conversation with Cholax
I can't recommend logitech keyboards
low quality parts cheap build quality and keycaps
etc
f i keep hgetting ignored lmap
thats because i doubt anyone here owns both those headphones that we cant really give our input
its best to compare spec sheets for both
i do not speak headphones
i just know what headphone people want me to ask people







