peripherals-and-displays

[normal barn]

bro

trust me

model o wireless

[twilit finch]

nvm the easy-to-reach part if its smaller

Model O Wireless?

[normal barn]

yes

[twilit finch]

Okay

I want something that doesnt slide a lot

[last plinth]

Wireless has really long battery life

[twilit finch]

Again, I play on 3200DPI

[last plinth]

Rival 3 wireless

Or just rival 3

Wireless 50$
Wired 30$

[twilit finch]

oof

the model o has a lot of wholes

holes*

not a big fan

[normal barn]

@twilit finch lmao

thats wat makes it light

[last plinth]

Get a rival 3 man

[twilit finch]

the rival 3 dont look bad

[last plinth]

Also the support is really good

[sly warren]

Why TF do you play at 3200DPI?

You are objectively making your aim worse by overcranking your sensor.

[last plinth]

Its 77 grams

[sly warren]

Sensors like to be between 400 and 1000 DPI

[last plinth]

If i were u, i would get rival 3 and a mouse bungee aswell

[twilit finch]

@sly warren I... I don't know... Maybe I just like to make people confused? Maybe I, just am better with it? I duhhno. Its just the DPI I use

lower DPI isn't actually better btw...

[last plinth]

For aim it kinda is

[twilit finch]

nope

[sly warren]

It is when you aren't overtuning your sensor to go stupid fast.

[last plinth]

Its preference tho

[twilit finch]

There have been no studies to consider it better

and actually

[last plinth]

I mean if u think about it its true

[sly warren]

And, when literally 90% of the professional gamers play at 400 or 800 dpi?

[last plinth]

lower dpi = less mouse movement better aim

[twilit finch]

many independet test by youtubers and other sources show higher dpi is better for precise aiming

[last plinth]

Better tracking

[sly warren]

Wat.

[amber oracle]

and what does that tell you @sly warren ? aside from them preferring it that way?

[sly warren]

You are insane sails.

That low DPI is better.

[twilit finch]

the reason many people use lower dpi is because back in the day, DPI couldnt go that high as the mouse technology wasn't advanced enough

[amber oracle]

for their preference

[twilit finch]

people just got used to it

then people copied

then people copied

and people just kept using it

[last plinth]

Probally had a high dpi because m65 is heavy

the highest dpi i would go is 1200 max

[sly warren]

Naed, if a professional does something, they do it for a reason.

[twilit finch]

lower dpi = MORE mouse movement bruhhhhhhhh

[sly warren]

Not exactly.

[last plinth]

No

listen

[twilit finch]

i removed all the weights

[last plinth]

Instead of having to go super slow

[sly warren]

You can have 2 people that play at different DPI that have the same CM/360

But the one with the lower DPI will have more accuracy.

[last plinth]

To hit headshots, etc

[twilit finch]

IN THIS CASE, THE REASON WAS BECAUSE THAT IS THE HIGHEST DPI WAS ABLE TO GO

[sly warren]

Not true at all.

[twilit finch]

OLD COUNTER STRIKE PROS USED IT

THEN NEW GAMES CAME OUT

[last plinth]

Ok stop about dpi

[twilit finch]

THEY KEPT USING IY

THEN NEW PEOPLE STARTED PLAYING

[sly warren]

Broski, Overwatch pros use 400 to 1000 DPI

[last plinth]

Its preference

[twilit finch]

AND JUST COPIED THE PROS

[amber oracle]

no need to yell @twilit finch

[twilit finch]

BECAUSE IF THAT EXACT STUPID MINDSET!

[sly warren]

Overwatch is a fairly new game.

[twilit finch]

"If the pros use it, they use it for a reason"

[last plinth]

Sails

Theres also the viper mini

[amber oracle]

@last plinth its preference.

[twilit finch]

yes

it is

[last plinth]

I know its preference

[sly warren]

It's also the mindset of If it ain't broke, don't fix it

[twilit finch]

exactly! 3200DPI isn't broke? so why change it?

[last plinth]

Idc if he uses 3200

[sly warren]

it is though.

[last plinth]

skiptrace

[twilit finch]

Also, lower DPI(In some games) Can actually skip spaces on your acreen

*screen

[sly warren]

Trust me, I used to play at 3200 DPI

[twilit finch]

here, lemme send yalla video

[last plinth]

👉 🚪

[sly warren]

And, I improved after moving to 800 DPI

[last plinth]

Arguing about dpi

[sly warren]

And improved further after going to 400

[amber oracle]

@last plinth and that is supposed to mean ?

[last plinth]

[twilit finch]

https://youtu.be/8XNUp70mDlQ

I think this is the video

[sly warren]

I very much doubt any modern game even has pixel skipping.

[daring zenith]

It's csgo

[twilit finch]

okay

good point

but still, I am saying that is doesnt matter

these people are saying lower is better

[last plinth]

Let the man have dpi

[twilit finch]

BUT AGAIN

its preference

[sly warren]

Your sensor going beyond around 1000 DPI adds Acceleration

Which is bad.

[twilit finch]

how

[last plinth]

Get razer viper mini or rival 3

[sly warren]

It's just how sensors work.

[twilit finch]

bruh

that

whay

no

[sly warren]

Yes.

[twilit finch]

explain like

you have to explain

you cant just be like "thats how it is man"

[sly warren]

Yes i can.

Because that's how it is.

[twilit finch]

you stated a pretty bold claim

like

thats big talk

[sly warren]

Not bold at all.

[twilit finch]

but you cant even explain

[sly warren]

I don't need to.

[twilit finch]

you clearly know nothing

[sly warren]

It's how mice sensors are.

[twilit finch]

bruh

mice sensors are different

there are tons of them

[brisk parcel]

okay, so

let's chill

[twilit finch]

and you speak for ALL of them, aswell

[brisk parcel]

please

[twilit finch]

and say things like thay

[brisk parcel]

both of you, take a deep breathe

do it a few times

now

[twilit finch]

lol

[sly warren]

There's like 1 sensor I know of that has no acceleration at all.

[brisk parcel]

make sure you're on the same page, talk about ONE thing at a time please, don't bring up a ton of stuff it just makes a mess

[twilit finch]

this dude came out of no where and is acting like the wii fit trainer

[sly warren]

And i'm pretty sure it's an older pixart one.

[twilit finch]

okay

well

can you explain yourself, or at least send a video

that higher dpi means artifical acceleration

please

because i dont buy it

[brisk parcel]

alright I gotta go do a few things

please don't yell at each other, don't be like me 🙂

[sly warren]

https://steelseries.com/blog/the-cpi-lie-18

[twilit finch]

whats cpi?

other terming?

lol

just read

[sly warren]

It's steelseries name for dpi

https://thegamingsetup.com/gaming-mouse/buying-guides/dpi-guide

[brisk parcel]

all I'll say is I play at around 2200 and I'm just fine for what I play and how "competitive" I want to be

[twilit finch]

this article just partly went agaisnt you lmaoo

[sly warren]

No, it didn't.

[twilit finch]

it said dpi is mislabeling

lemme read the rest

[sly warren]

Well, yes it is mis-lableling.

[twilit finch]

you used the word dpi

[sly warren]

Steelseries's "CPI" is slightly more accurate.

But, DPI is still an accurate enough measure.

[twilit finch]

bruh

[sly warren]

You can set your Mouse DPI to be 400, and then modify your in-game sens to hit the effective DPI of whatever you want.

[twilit finch]

no where in the steel-series article does it state higher dpi causes artificial mouse accel

[sly warren]

So, if you like playing at 3200, then set your mouse to 400, and then boost your eDPI to 3200

You now have the best of both worlds.

[twilit finch]

okay okay

you are right.

[sly warren]

Your sensor is no-longer straining itself to go super fast.

And your DPI is the same.

[tacit wing]

the universal unit for sensitivity is (X)cm/360

[sly warren]

That is also true.

CM/360 is the universal measurement.

[tacit wing]

thats bc eDPI differs from every game

[sly warren]

There are calculators for CM/360 between games also.

[tacit wing]

61cm/360 gang

i believe Smerth has the lowest sens here

[sly warren]

I don't remember my CM/360

I should check it again.

[tacit wing]

your grip style and the shape of the mouse is the most important factor in the way you play. start caring about it

[sly warren]

Yeah, my aim got significantly better after changing to Claw with my Viper.

Palm feels nicer in my hand, but Claw is how I aim best.

[twilit finch]

ok

Well

Whats a good keyboard aswell

Linear Switches would be nice

budget is like $120

I'd prefer RGB too

[sly warren]

GMMK with whatever switches you want.

[twilit finch]

and Tenkeyless or 60%

[sly warren]

See previous statement.

[unkempt sphinx]

what is a good gaming keyboard Tenkeyless under$40

[sly warren]

Uhhhh....

There's a GSkill board.

I can't remember the number of it though.

[unkempt sphinx]

can you send me a link please

[sly warren]

No.

[unkempt sphinx]

Oh lol

[sly warren]

Google it. Because i am too busy for that.

[unkempt sphinx]

ok

sorry

[daring zenith]

Might've been the hyperx one

[sly warren]

It might be the K460? I can't remember the exact name.

[unkempt sphinx]

Is this good

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019O9BLVY/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=AXZ7TDMJNMJSZ&psc=1

[sly warren]

It's ok, but it has Blue switches.

[daring zenith]

Are you prepared for the noise?

[sly warren]

Blues are a bit loud

[unkempt sphinx]

ya thats why i want them

[daring zenith]

Btw skiptrace which k552 do you have again

[sly warren]

I used to have the Aukey variant of the K552

[unkempt sphinx]

i have a membrane keyboard

[daring zenith]

Aukey?

[sly warren]

It's my Fiancee's board now.

It seems to not exist on Amazon anymore.

http://test.aukey.com/products/87-key-mechanical-keyboard-km-g9

This one

[daring zenith]

Interesting

[sly warren]

It literally is a K552 without RGB

[daring zenith]

Same outemu or whatever blues?

[sly warren]

The box ones?

Yeah.

[cyan basalt]

If anyone needs a mouse for large hands, this one was pretty decent:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078LJ6RPK?tag=camelanonalerts-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US

Only thing I didn't like is that the rubber on the side started peeling off

And I didn't have some issues with the back/forward buttons not working, about a year in, if I remember right

[queen sigil]

Get a keychron

A k6 comes with an Alu case, RGB backlighting, 5pin hotswap PCB, and prelubed and clipped stabs

A better use of your money

GMMK has a 3pin PCB and the stabs are pretty garbage

why is the GMMK like

the most recommended keyboard

Also for 120$ you can get a leopold which is basically one of the the best quality prebuilt

[timber ridge]

leo

the amount of times we've recommended a keychron or leopold

and i think no one has bought one yet

[queen sigil]

Then that's their loss

I'f they like the shiny name of the GMMK over quality of the product

than they can go for the GMMK

[tacit wing]

Glorious clout

[queen sigil]

no but like

why do so many people want it

like i understand the gmmk pro

because its a sat75 copy

and cheap

[last plinth]

Hotswap

[queen sigil]

but like why the GMMK

when ther are so many better options

[last plinth]

Glorious is popular

[queen sigil]

I bet it was some youtuber like kristopher yee

[sharp kindle]

updated stabs now bro. Their good according to badseed

[queen sigil]

do they come prelubed and clipped

[sharp kindle]

i think he said yes

i dont remember though

also kristofer yee is an nzxt shill

lmfao

hes ok

i watch his mc streams on the OTV minecraft server occasionally

[queen sigil]

I watched his content a while back

but still

keychron is cheaper

and you get a better PCB

and bluetooth

[sharp kindle]

yep im not a glorious shill no more

still their mice are p nice

dino can agree with me on that

[queen sigil]

GMMks

are kinda like a strange middle ground

their stabs were wonk

it's like

[sharp kindle]

well drop has worse stabs

[queen sigil]

a keyboard that should be upgraded

but then they only give you a 3 pin PCB

like bruh

[sharp kindle]

well its meant for beginners really

wtf i cant spell today

[queen sigil]

buy keychron

cheaper come with cool keycap puller and switch puller

[sharp kindle]

i have to agree now

[queen sigil]

the stabs arent good ones but they are lubed and clipped

and the PCB is 5 pin

except on mine where one slot was 3 pin

Maybe mine was broken or something

[timber ridge]

i say keychron if you want hotswap or durgod hades/venus if you want most switch options

[queen sigil]

But I mean for the price of an alu hot swap keychron you could just buy switches

[timber ridge]

yea, but some ppl jus want a plug in play

and dont wanna mess with changing anything but keycaps

[queen sigil]

KEY SWITCH

NOT KEYCAP

I WIN YOU LOSE

but yeah if you really dont want to change switches

but if you can you get an extra 84 switches

and youy're getting a board + keycaps + switches for 100

and then like other switches for 30$

[timber ridge]

tru

a durgod hades with gat blacks is only 109 tho

but if you want gat yellows its 129 lmao

[queen sigil]

yeah if you can find gat yellows for like 30$

u get better deal

an dyou can also sell the extra switches from your keyboard

[twilit finch]

@queen sigil Im going to get the Razer Huntsman Mini with Red Switches

[queen sigil]

we have failed men

@twilit finch im just saying razer keyboards are some of the worst quality keyboards on the market

If this is a sound you like hearing then feel free to get a razer

They have terrible stabilizers and the "optical switches" is just a marketing thing

they don't actually make anything faster

[twilit finch]

well

[tacit wing]

ewwwwwwww he uploaded an MP3

[queen sigil]

hey shush

[twilit finch]

ye

but like

[queen sigil]

i aint here to upload a clip of a razer creaking in a flac file

[twilit finch]

its what im buying

im sure ill be satisfyed

[queen sigil]

Okay it's your money

[twilit finch]

also

[neon quartz]

Sails#3375 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[queen sigil]

But there are better quality products on the market for alot cheaper

[twilit finch]

i wear headphones 😂

i dont give a care about noise

[queen sigil]

I'm talking about feel

and quality of the switches and stablizers

[twilit finch]

ive looked but everything has some little detail i just dont like

im very picky

[queen sigil]

Razer keyboards the switches are poor quality so they deteriorate really fast

[twilit finch]

im prolly also gonna get a diff set of keycaps for it anyways

soo

[queen sigil]

Im talking about the switches

[twilit finch]

okay

but

like

[queen sigil]

The feel of the switch changes alot over time

[twilit finch]

its still fine for gaming

[queen sigil]

and the bump of the switch goes away

[twilit finch]

have you ever owned a razer keyboard?

[queen sigil]

Yes

[twilit finch]

which one

[queen sigil]

I was the one who made that audio clip

I've owned a razer huntsman elite and a blackwidow chroma

[twilit finch]

btw

what is that audio

what is flexing

[queen sigil]

me pushing down on the keyboard

thats the case

[twilit finch]

oohh

like pushing down a key?

[queen sigil]

and im assuming the plate/PCB

[twilit finch]

oh

okay

well i dont think i mind

[queen sigil]

thats me just pushing down on the keyboard

[twilit finch]

*ill

whenever i build my second pc in like 4-6 years ill build my own keyboard too

[tacit wing]

cholax moment

[queen sigil]

Again if there's something about razer keyboards you really like feel free to get it

but there are cheaper options to a razer huntsman

or to like any razer keyboard

[twilit finch]

i like aesthetics

again

im VERY picky

like i will stress out about a logo

thats why i only buy like corsair and razer and mainstream stuff because seeing mix matched logos makes me stressed

[queen sigil]

Oh god

he has to be trolling

[sharp kindle]

oh no

[twilit finch]

call me a physcopath i dont blame ya

[queen sigil]

he has to be trolling

there's no way

[twilit finch]

im not :(

i hate buying stuff thats not likw

from a known brand

[queen sigil]

Cheaper

[twilit finch]

its just

[queen sigil]

Hot swap

[timber ridge]

if youw atn 60 percent

hk venus 🙂

[queen sigil]

65%

[timber ridge]

but not hot swap

[queen sigil]

Lubed stabs

Clipped stabs

[twilit finch]

wait

what keyboard is that?

[queen sigil]

Bluetooth and wired

Keychron k6

[twilit finch]

im actually

[timber ridge]

op keeb

[twilit finch]

interested...

does it have a logo on the case

[queen sigil]

an RGB aluminum version is 100$

[twilit finch]

or can you send a link

[queen sigil]

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k6-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=31441092149337

I my friend wanted a keychron and i guess you could use this video to hear how the stablizers sound

[twilit finch]

what switches do you reccomend

to buy

[queen sigil]

I mean it depends

[twilit finch]

gaming

[timber ridge]

wait mkbhd uses a keychron?

[twilit finch]

linear is fine

[queen sigil]

If you're sticking with those

[timber ridge]

bruh

[queen sigil]

Id get browns or reds

[twilit finch]

how do i buy it wired

[queen sigil]

Its wired

[twilit finch]

ill get reds

it says wireless doe

[queen sigil]

Its both

[twilit finch]

?

[timber ridge]

yup

[twilit finch]

okay...

[timber ridge]

jus connect a wire

then its wired

[twilit finch]

so if im buy this its fine?

[queen sigil]

It has a USB C port on the left side of the keyboard

[twilit finch]

oh

okay

[queen sigil]

I mean this is what I recommeend to everybody since it's probs one of the best budget keyboards

[tacit wing]

WAV file pog

[queen sigil]

[timber ridge]

leo he may be the first person to ever listen to a keeb recommendation

[queen sigil]

I mean i've gotten people who listened

[twilit finch]

okay then

[timber ridge]

in this server

[queen sigil]

Because i've recommended it alot

[twilit finch]

ill buy it

so can i change the switches?

[timber ridge]

yup

[queen sigil]

but he's the first one who's said hell actually buy it

[twilit finch]

if i buy third party ones?

sweet

[queen sigil]

yes its hot swap

[timber ridge]

if you ever get board of it

[queen sigil]

to any cherry style switch

[timber ridge]

you can change the whole feel of it

[queen sigil]

EG gateron, kalih, cherry etc

Z E A L

[timber ridge]

its also a great entry keyboard for modding

[tacit wing]

id most likely go with Keychron for my next keeb purchase which i dont think will happen anytime soon

[timber ridge]

go for it

[queen sigil]

its a good budget board

[timber ridge]

unless you can get a budget kit

like nk65 entry

[queen sigil]

but its kinda high and mine had alot of ping

[timber ridge]

or something similar

[queen sigil]

but thats only noticable when like

right next to it

[twilit finch]

okay den

[queen sigil]

comes with all dis

[timber ridge]

does it come with a wire switch puller

keycap*

[twilit finch]

what websites are reccomended to look for keycap sets

[timber ridge]

that varies, if you want a nice set of budget keycaps that wont take like a month to ship

depending from where youre from

hk gaming caps on amazon are good

[twilit finch]

im from U.S.

california

[timber ridge]

yea then hk gaming is a quick and cheap way to get caps

instead of shipping from china or some

[queen sigil]

KP republic has decent priced top print keycaps

[twilit finch]

also if theres a logo i think i can use electrical tape

[queen sigil]

but they kinda expensive for a 65% kit

[twilit finch]

to cover it

[queen sigil]

There's no logo on the top of the cas

[timber ridge]

kp republic has nice kits but shipping not so epic

[queen sigil]

My friend got his keycaps last month

he ordered them in june

[timber ridge]

yea lol

i heard that it takes as long as a gb

for a kit thats in stock lol

[queen sigil]

apperently his got lost or somthing

like twice

[timber ridge]

i heard from a thread that average wait time is like 4 months

[queen sigil]

curse youchina

[timber ridge]

i wanna try good tactile switches

might do a build with holy pandas or some

[queen sigil]

tealios

zealios

[timber ridge]

zeals are pricey

[queen sigil]

better than holy pandas

[timber ridge]

tru

idk, i dont really wanna build 2 linear keebs

i could go clicky lmao

clicky lubed with 205

[twilit finch]

rip

what keycaps wont take long

to ship

[timber ridge]

hk gaming

on amazon

[twilit finch]

what are good linear switches that are pre-lubed too

[timber ridge]

ill link

[twilit finch]

lemme guess pre-lubed is bad

[timber ridge]

https://www.amazon.com/HK-Gaming-Dye-Sublimation-Keycaps/dp/B08156NG7K/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hk+gaming&qid=1606096181&sr=8-1

[queen sigil]

I don't know many prelubed switches

[twilit finch]

because everything that isn't done yourself is bad

[timber ridge]

most switches arent pre lubed

[queen sigil]

Yeah

Just get something that's smooth by itself like gat yellow

[timber ridge]

gat yellows are best value

[queen sigil]

Gat yellows is the best switch to leave unlubed in my opinion

anything above that you're going to want to lube

[timber ridge]

i would say budget, but the word budget has a bad stigma

ppl tend to think bad when budget for some reason

[twilit finch]

is gat yellows linear?

[timber ridge]

yup

[twilit finch]

ok

den

ill get that down the line

[timber ridge]

the keyboard comes with linears already

if you get that red option

[twilit finch]

yes

but

down the line i wanna switch it up

[queen sigil]

I'd get tactiles and maybe gat yellow

like gat browns

since you're going to want a smooth linear rather than a smooth tactile

[sly warren]

If you want to switch switches, get yourself a GMMK

[timber ridge]

keychron tho

[sharp kindle]

^^

[timber ridge]

only gmmk ill recommend is the pro tbh

[sly warren]

Eh, not everyone is going to use the Wireless function.

[timber ridge]

but the thing about wireless

[sly warren]

And, it's not a 2.4ghz dongle wireless.

[timber ridge]

its an option, you get wired and wireless

[sly warren]

It's crappy BT wireless

[timber ridge]

you could always plug it in

and use it wired

[sly warren]

Then why buy a Keychron?

[timber ridge]

its a hotswap keeb

good stabs

[sly warren]

You defeat the purpose of buying a wireless keyboard by plugging it in to use it.

[timber ridge]

nice options

and is 5 pin

[queen sigil]

GMMK PCB

is hot garbage

not as bad as drop alt tho

[sly warren]

Nobody that is a normal user is going to feel the difference between Keychron stabs vs GMMK stabs.

[timber ridge]

but the thing is, youre not buying it for the wireless purpose

you buy it for the hotswap pcb

[sly warren]

🤦

[timber ridge]

and good stabs

[queen sigil]

yeah you are

lol

keychron preclips and lubes stabs

[sly warren]

Again, I reiterate, nobody is going to notice the difference as an average user if their stabs are lubed and clipped.

[queen sigil]

Lubing and clipping stabs makes a big difference

[sly warren]

Maybe if you are a keyboard snob you will.

[queen sigil]

idk about you

[timber ridge]

your space bar is gonna be rattly

[sly warren]

But, I've done a blind test before on the same PCB with the same switches, and the only difference was lubed and clipped stabs (I didn't make the boards), and I felt no difference.

[queen sigil]

Then maybe you clip your stabs wrong

[sly warren]

And, I've been through many boards. Probably not as many as Keybored or lance

[twilit finch]

are these bad?

[sly warren]

I didn't build the boards.

[twilit finch]

https://www.amazon.com/BAOD-Translucent-Mechanical-Keyboard-Compatible/dp/B08C9XYR3L/ref=mp_s_a_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=hk+gaming+keycaps&qid=1606096246&sprefix=hk+gaming+&sr=8-16

[queen sigil]

clipping stabs makes a big difference on the bottem out of the switch

[sly warren]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I felt no difference.

[timber ridge]

sails that isnt bad but i dont know if it comes with a short right shift

[twilit finch]

?

[sly warren]

I do want to GET a Keychron sooner or later

[twilit finch]

why does th

oooooo

[timber ridge]

youre getting a k6 by keychron right

[twilit finch]

theyndo not

damn

[queen sigil]

also that keycap set wont work for a K6

[sly warren]

to replace my, frankly meh Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition

[twilit finch]

damnit

[queen sigil]

since the k6 needs a 1.25 right shift

[twilit finch]

well what keycap set will?

[sly warren]

The default one.

[timber ridge]

https://www.amazon.com/HK-Gaming-Dye-Sublimation-Keycaps/dp/B08156NG7K/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hk+gaming&qid=1606096181&sr=8-1

[sly warren]

Just stick with the normal keycap set.

[queen sigil]

is it 1.25 or 1.75

[twilit finch]

dang it looked really cool too

[queen sigil]

i frogot

[sly warren]

There's no sense in replacing the caps

You aren't staring at your keyboard all day.

[timber ridge]

i mean

[twilit finch]

i saw those

[sly warren]

Unless you aren't a touch typist yet.

[timber ridge]

switching to pbt is nice

[sly warren]

Ok, yes.

Wait.

[twilit finch]

not a big fannof anh of the designs tho

[sly warren]

Keychron uses ABS caps?

[timber ridge]

theres an option with pbt

[sly warren]

Oh

[queen sigil]

They are PBT im pretty sure

[timber ridge]

but for the most part

abs i think

[sly warren]

ABS caps make me want to vomit.

[queen sigil]

But if it's not it's still nice thick keycaps

[timber ridge]

the brown keycaps from keychron are pbt

im p sure

not the grey ones

[queen sigil]

im pretty sure razer keyboards ship with ABS keycaps

[sly warren]

Nope

The Huntsman TE ships with PBT

[queen sigil]

But I mean a razer huntsman is still a razer keyboard

[twilit finch]

i guess if those are the only options..

but $50 is a lot

[timber ridge]

50 is cheap for a full set

[sly warren]

Fork

Yeah, 50 dollars is like pennies for keycaps...

[timber ridge]

in the keeb community

most keycap sets are like 120

and a cheap set is like 80

[twilit finch]

oh my god

[sly warren]

Because for some reason, it costs 2389745120237906419872 dollars to buy little pieces of forking PLASTIC

[queen sigil]

120$ for base kit

[sly warren]

https://prnt.sc/vo35yl

[twilit finch]

bruh

okay

[sly warren]

That's my current keyboard.

[twilit finch]

well im getting the bee ones

[sly warren]

Stock, it comes with PBT caps

[queen sigil]

gross

[sly warren]

But, the linear switches are tiring

[twilit finch]

thats the one i was gonna get but they said no

[sly warren]

Oh, I 100000000000% agree with saying no to this board.

[queen sigil]

They have like a 40g activation weight

[sly warren]

Using it for typing is, frankly going to tear your hands up.

[queen sigil]

you seem to have weak fingers

[tacit wing]

how is it tiring

[sly warren]

I'm a bottom out typer

[twilit finch]

im a light typee

*typer

i type fast so sometimes i dont activate keys

[sly warren]

I need a heavier switch so I don't tire my hands out with bottoming out all the time.

[queen sigil]

I bottom out with 60g switches

60g acttivation

[timber ridge]

wait

isnt it suppose to work the other way around

[queen sigil]

70g bottom out

[twilit finch]

quick question

[timber ridge]

light springs so that your fingers dont get tired

[queen sigil]

yes

[twilit finch]

do i have to take apart the keyboard to change the switches?

[sly warren]

Not in my case.

And, yes.

Well

[queen sigil]

no

[sly warren]

Not entirely.

[queen sigil]

you just use the puller

[sly warren]

You have to remove all the switches.

[timber ridge]

its like taking off keycaps

[twilit finch]

is it like switching keycaps?

[sly warren]

Yes.

[queen sigil]

Yeah

[twilit finch]

great

[sly warren]

At least as far as the GMMK is concerned.

[queen sigil]

You just plug it into the PCB/plate

[sly warren]

Are the Keychron sockets more stable than the GMMK ones?

[timber ridge]

it is 5 pin

vs 3

[sly warren]

My Gen 1 GMMK had wobbly sockets.

I had it for a year, and... I spilled hot chocolate on it and killed it...

[queen sigil]

That's why you don't drink near you keyboard

[timber ridge]

u can

[queen sigil]

or just

[timber ridge]

jus be careful

[queen sigil]

dont drink over your keyboard

[twilit finch]

hey wait

[sly warren]

Well, it was a mug.

Normally I use closed containers.

[twilit finch]

does this have the 1.25 right shift key thingy you guys were talking about?

https://www.amazon.com/HK-Gaming-Dye-Sublimation-Keycaps/dp/B08BKRW2Z4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hk%2Bgaming&qid=1606096181&sr=8-1&th=1&psc=1

[sly warren]

I think it has a short shift?

[timber ridge]

yup

[sly warren]

Jeez, this thing comes with ISO enters too

[timber ridge]

it has a 1.75 and .124

5*

[twilit finch]

ok

[sly warren]

I want ISO enters to come back in vogue

ANSI enter is so boring

[queen sigil]

WTF

WHAT IS THIS RENDER

ITS ON LIKE A PEICE OF PLASTIC

[sly warren]

That's not a render.

That's a picture.

[twilit finch]

lmao

who drew that

[sly warren]

It wasn't drawn...

That's a picture.

[twilit finch]

i swear they drew that

[timber ridge]

is there a gat yellow tactile equivalent

like a really good budget tactile

[tacit wing]

someone ordered a Leopold in general

i know they lurk peripheral chat

[twilit finch]

how do you know

[tacit wing]

i see it with my own two eyes???

[twilit finch]

yeah

[tacit wing]

[twilit finch]

thats fair

[tight pulsar]

@queen sigil those are just they keycaps for an 1800 board pretty sure but theyre laid out so u can see what keys it had and what they look like

[sly warren]

Man, that Keychron K4 is kinda smexy

[timber ridge]

a lotta ppl lurk this chat

some dude dm me asking if im selling my mic

never seen him in this chat b4

[sly warren]

Oh, wat.

I can't get a Keychron K2 in Hotswap?

Oh I can.

My B.

[sly warren]

Hmm, I don't like that the K2 is by default in MacOS layout...

[timber ridge]

omg

[sly warren]

I know it comes with the keys to switch to Windows layout, but...

Oh

They ONLY come in MacOS default layout...

Is it worth it to get the Aluminum frame K2?

[timber ridge]

mm thats up to you to decide tbh

[sly warren]

Does it have a different typing feel?

[timber ridge]

i dont think its a full alu case

jus bumpers on it

[sly warren]

Yeah, I might as well when I get my K2 Hot-Swap get the Aluminum one + RGB

And then I get to play "Which Switch do I want later!"

I'm thinking about Box Blacks TBH

I liked the Gateron Blacks I had on my GMMK

But, I also like the Otemu Blues I have on my Magicforce 68

[timber ridge]

get box jades

thick clicks

[sly warren]

Hmm...

I like the idea, but... my wallet doesn't and neither does my microphone.

4 dollars and 20 cents per 10 switches...

[timber ridge]

not bad

i paid 6.50 for 10 lol

[sly warren]

Yikes

Zilent V2's are EXPENSIVE

If I wanted to kit out an entire Keychron K2 Hotswap with Zilent V2 67G's it'd be 110.40 plus the 99.00 for the board, before Tax and Shipping.

That's bonkers

That's 209.40 before tax and shipping

But I bet the board would feel like heaven...

[queen sigil]

yeah zeal switches are expensive

@tight pulsar but they laid them out like

so terribly

[sly warren]

And that's a pain

Because they are so nice...

Why can't Zeal just give the secret sauce to Gateron so they can be mass produced

My wallet hurts thinking about getting Zilent V2's

[queen sigil]

then dont think about them

[timber ridge]

i mean

[sly warren]

But they basically are my endgame Cherry MX switch.

[timber ridge]

what makes zeals so nice to u

the tactility or the smoothness

[sly warren]

Silent, Tactile, good weight.

[queen sigil]

end game cherry mx switch

what

[sly warren]

My ENDGAME switch is Matias Quiet Clicks

But nobody reasonable supports Matias switches.

[queen sigil]

oh so cherry style switch

[timber ridge]

i dont think i have an endgame switch

[sly warren]

I typed on a friend's planck that had matias quiet clicks on it, and it was just like feeling heaven on my fingers.

[tight pulsar]

just get boba u4s if u dont wanna pay the zeal tax

[queen sigil]

My end game switch would probs be like alps damped creams

but I'm probs never gonna get an alps board

[sly warren]

Sadly I need RGB support if I want to use a Keychron K2

And the Boba u4's don't seem to have RGB passthrough

Wait huh?

[queen sigil]

or you could just

not get TGB

RGB

[sly warren]

I can't.

Keychron only comes backlit

[queen sigil]

So?

[sly warren]

White or RGB

[queen sigil]

doesn't mean you need to use it

[sly warren]

Uhhh

Then why would I buy a board that is backlit?

[normal barn]

@queen sigil he's want rgb

[sly warren]

Kinda defeats the purpose.

[queen sigil]

Because it's cheaper than any other option?

[normal barn]

Lamo

He wants rgb

[queen sigil]

If that's how you think then get a leopold

[sly warren]

If i'm buying a thing with X feature, I'm going to use X feature.

[queen sigil]

and just desolder everything

[normal barn]

If i'm buying a thing with X feature, I'm going to use X feature.
@sly warren agreed

I like rainbow puke

[sly warren]

But, it seems like according to 1UPKeyboards the Boba U4's do support PCB mounted RGB lights

[normal barn]

Lights

[sly warren]

I just don't know how.

The entire switch is opaque

[normal barn]

Anyone else like rainbow puke lighting

Or is it just me

[queen sigil]

Through the same hole that 2/3 pin LEDs go thtrough?

Most switches don't have clear bottom housings

[tight pulsar]

theyre still translucent white its not like light cant go through them

[queen sigil]

@tight pulsar tag me when boba u4s are edible

[sly warren]

Ok, 80 dollars for Boba U4's is a less hard pill to swallow than the Zilents

I think I might be getting a keeb upgrade after Christmas.

[timber ridge]

how many switches r u buying ?

[sly warren]

I'd need 120 from this site because they sell in bundles of 30 for 20 bucks.

[queen sigil]

You're building a full size?

[sly warren]

No

Keychron K2

[queen sigil]

k2 needs 90 switches

[sly warren]

I thought it was 92?

[queen sigil]

its an 75%

it needs 84

[sly warren]

Oh

Oddly enough another site is selling packs of 25 for 18 USD

171 USD is, not a bad pill to swallow for a new keyboard.

[queen sigil]

Yeah you can get 25 for 18 with clear tops

[sly warren]

At RGBKB

Oh, jeez, they ONLY sell Boba U4's with Clear Tops

[timber ridge]

i heard that sp star tactile are p good

[sly warren]

I think I will stay the course with the Boba U4's. They seem like a good alternative to Zilent V2's

I hope I get like, 200 bucks or more from Christmas so I can afford this new keeb.

I'll probably just start by buying the K2 Hotswap

And then later grabbing the switches.

[queen sigil]

are those the one that comes with the majic girl keyboard

[timber ridge]

zilents v2 are on sale rn

[queen sigil]

magic

[timber ridge]

and yea im p sure

[sly warren]

"sale"

[queen sigil]

OH

ITS THE PORTICO

hah i remembered the name

[timber ridge]

im gettting a portico

when they drop

[timber ridge]

wait boba u4s are basically updated outemus?

[queen sigil]

arent they GB rn

[timber ridge]

for the boba u4s or portico

[queen sigil]

portico

[timber ridge]

portico is, but only the special edition

[queen sigil]

what's the difference

[timber ridge]

stuck to the two color ways

and i think reg portico kit is barebones

https://thekey.company/collections/upcoming-releases/products/portico-keyboard

[queen sigil]

The special one is good price tho

[timber ridge]

yea

[sly warren]

So, apparently I'm going to say screw the Keychron

https://flashquark.com/product/blackhawk-hotswappable-tenkeyless-with-usb-c-bluetooth-and-rgb-mechanical-keyboard-kit/

[timber ridge]

if it fit my color scheme i would buy one rn

[sly warren]

Better board.

And it comes blank

AND it comes in White

[timber ridge]

were you aiming for tkl

[sly warren]

Yes.

[queen sigil]

Are those SA keycaps

[sly warren]

The K2 was condensed TKL

This is normal TKL

Which is still fine

If not a little better.

Oh

This...

[timber ridge]

wait were you the one who wanted rgb

[sly warren]

This has it

But...

Apparently it has only 3 pin holes.

[queen sigil]

3 pin PCB

Good luck using ur boba switches

[sly warren]

Guess I'm clipping them

The board is cheaper and has the same feature set as the Keychron

[queen sigil]

Also just looks like normal plate mount stbas

stabs

And with the keychron you're getting keycaps and switches for 100$

[sly warren]

Yeah, but do I really need the default switches?

I'd just be getting whatever switch type is in stock at the time.

[queen sigil]

also that case looks REALLY cheap

[sly warren]

And a lot of my setup is already white.

[timber ridge]

https://kprepublic.com/products/mkb87-87-key-dual-mode-bluetooth-mechanical-keyboard-kit-80-tkl-hot-swappable-switch-lighting-effects-rgb-switch-led-type-c?variant=35022502920355

[sly warren]

I went to the /r/mechanicalkeyboard discord and this is what I was recommended.

Instead of the K2

[queen sigil]

I mean if you're planning to buy lube

and you have a larger budget than 100$ for a k2

or however much it costs

might as well get a leopold

[sly warren]

I mean, my goal is, 1. Don't need to Solder 2. Use the Boba switches 3. RGB if possible would be real nice 4. Is less than 300 USD because at that point i'd just buy an Ergodox...

[queen sigil]

This is a barbones kit

you're gonna need to assemble stuff

[sly warren]

My B. I meant I don't need to Solder anything

My soldering skills are... not great, and I don't have an Iron

[queen sigil]

soldering keyboards are like the easiest but ok

[sly warren]

You think I should go for a custom PCB and plate and all that jazz?

[queen sigil]

and why would you get an ergodox lol

[sly warren]

A. They are cool AF, and B. I've wanted an ergo board for awhile, but never had the dosh for one.

[queen sigil]

Lol then don't get an ergo dox

they aren't the best when it comes to actual useablility

[timber ridge]

have u looked into outemu silent tactiles

[queen sigil]

ergo dox has a really bad layout in my opinion

[sly warren]

No, but it sounds like the Boba U4's are Otemu made switches.

[queen sigil]

If you want something ergo just get a 60% ergo

[timber ridge]

they are

[sly warren]

But, I don't want 60%

[queen sigil]

Like try this

[sly warren]

I like (and need) my F-Keys on their own keys.

[queen sigil]

but your fingers on homerow

then put your left thumb

on N

then two rows down

Not exactally the most comfortable experience

[sly warren]

Jebus, apparently nobody sells TKL kits anymore.

[timber ridge]

keycool has a kit

kc87

[queen sigil]

Yeah most people would rather have a 75% than a TKL

[timber ridge]

and monstagear or wahtever the company is

[queen sigil]

Keycool

[sly warren]

Ok... so... 75%, what do I lose?

[queen sigil]

like one or two keys

and depends what type of layout

[timber ridge]

leo is it worth to lube sprigns

springs *

[queen sigil]

I mean

that's like asking is it worth it to lube switches

Depends what switch and how much you love your keyboard

that was a joke

[timber ridge]

ima lube switches and film

[queen sigil]

I just bag lube my springs

[timber ridge]

but im debating if i wanna get 105

[queen sigil]

with 105

[timber ridge]

and bag lube

ye

[queen sigil]

and then use 105+205 for housings and stem

[tight pulsar]

@sly warren otemu makes them but gazzew (u/hbheroinbob) designed them

[sly warren]

Right.

Also, what about the XD84 kit?

[queen sigil]

I've never seen any KPrepublic builds

I mean i'v enever tried one

[sly warren]

It's 68.30 and I get the PCB, case, PCB stabilizer, and the stainless steel plate.

[timber ridge]

i personally dont like the floating keys on the xd84

but if you like it

go for it

[queen sigil]

Does it have a hotswap PCB?

[timber ridge]

i think

does lubing springs change the feel of the switches

[queen sigil]

lol IDK

id assume so

[sly warren]

If the KBD75V2 wasn't 159.00 I'd probably jump at the chance to buy one.

[queen sigil]

I just bag lube because I have 105

KBD75 is like one of the best middle priced boards

[timber ridge]

ima prob skip lubing the springs unless i spring swap

[queen sigil]

i mean

mostly because it isnt a GP

GB

@timber ridge for what switch

[sly warren]

What is the "case foam" for the KBD75V2?

[timber ridge]

durock linears

and i havent decided what switches to go with on my other build

ill prob jus use the money i was gonna use 105 for dielectric grease

[queen sigil]

doo rock

wdym

[timber ridge]

i was gonna lube stabs with 205

[queen sigil]

105 cant lube stabs

[timber ridge]

or whatever lube i was gonna get for switches

[queen sigil]

Id just get 205g0 for your entire keyboard

[timber ridge]

i was gonna get 205 and 105 or dielectric grease

[queen sigil]

and take your sweet time lubing everything

[timber ridge]

ill prob end up doing that

was looking at t1 switches

they seem p nice for the price

[queen sigil]

Autemu blues

ez

[timber ridge]

i actually might go with clickies lol

jades or outemu phoenix

[queen sigil]

just saw this on reddit

im scared

[queen sigil]

[timber ridge]

after hearing that lubed outemu phoenix video

im tempted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2NKT7eFRwQ&ab_channel=Minterly

this

overlubed clikies = taciles with a slight click

[queen sigil]

i dont like the feel of clickies

[timber ridge]

they feel

sharp

idk if thats the right word

but sharp and hollow ish idk how to put it to words

[queen sigil]

id rather have really tactile

than clicky

[timber ridge]

true

idk what to do

[queen sigil]

just because how clickys work

and overlubing clickys

to sound like that

takes alot of lube

[timber ridge]

i was gonna go with double linear keebs but i kinda wanna experience something different

idk if 10g is gonna be enough for 2 keebs

[tight pulsar]

id be careful with lubing click jackets

real easy to mess the switch up

[queen sigil]

thats like