#peripherals-and-displays
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alright thanks for all the help @brisk parcel 🙂
yes i agree with the sound quality in sony being a tad better but i think bose cancels out more noise
Maybe. I'll have to compare again. Maybe it was just the more comfortable feel on my head giving the illusion of better cancellation
lol
and as always we don't all have the same ears, so audio can be completely subjective to the person overall
True
But like we can all agree that the $3 wired earbuds that came with iPod classics are trash compared a $400 offering from bose 🙂
ofc xD
I'd say the Sonys have richer sosund than the Bose.... and slightly, slightly, slightly worse NC
Yeah, unless you're me and hit your head hard while wearing them
Like I have given myself a headache from a direct hit to these bose headphones and they didn't even scratch
what do u ppl think of basilisk x hyperspeed + razer cynosa for a nice ~ 100$ setup?
Harpoon wireless is cheaper than hyperspeed and is a solid mouse. You could also find a decent corsair RGB keyboard to add in at the price point. But if you like Razer, you do you
hey guys, is there a good budget (~50 USD) rgb tkl keyboard with red /slient red /sliver, any suggestions? Thank you
I have checked rk 87, hyper x alloy tkl, ducky one 2 tkl, corsair, logitech pro x
ducky tkl is not on my budget line so....
I think I will add a little more to buy leopold/filco if i had that budget
leopold makes good keyboards, same with varmilo
Anyone know of some good monitors under $200 preferably 144hz
Boom
would anyone know a good gaming keyboard for games like apex and cod? i have small hands
Try a few different types of switches, find one you like, buy one from a brand you like with decent reviews
I personally like Cherry Mx Brown
Look for injection molded caps if you want to prevent keys wearing out
ok thanks
Anyone got suggestions for a value pcb and board for getting into custom keyboards?
kbdfans is a decent place to start
anyone know of a good wireless mini keyboard to control an htpc with?
@sullen solstice
that one even has a trackpad built in so you dont need a mouse, i think thats a great choice.
dedicated volume keys too
nice, thanks. saved for payday
@idle cairn rk61 board and go to bang good for keycaps and just get switched from any website
Get a sauter and boom keyboard
Won’t bang good just have cheap Chinese knockoffs?
I mean I know my friends who built one bought keycaps off there
Like double shot put
Pbt
You can always get hyperx or Razer ones
I might I’d rather give my money to something non China made tbh
Ok then get some double shot pbt of your liking on eBay amazon Newegg or really anything whatever your preference is
But if ya want 60% get the rk61 board
Is going full reasonable?
Yeah
Rk61 is like 55 and no complaints and it’s hotswappable and you can just plop it in
20 for switches and 10-20 for keycaps
Ya set for years
I think it has rgb
I just hope I enjoy it as much as my G810
Is browns the way to go for tactile?
Im going from romer gs
how much stiffer are clears?
I might I’d rather give my money to something non China made tbh
@idle cairn ducky made in Taiwan
Clears are hella stiff
this force curve graph is color coded with the mx cherry (higher means stiffer, the light gray are clears and the brown are browns
What’s the best 60% keyboard
What are the axis on that chart?
Ducky one 2 mini or Anne pro 2
@split nimbus I believe it's gf of force to distanced traveled in cm
this is a chart for brown switches I found
What is this gf unit?
yeah
The pressure, that’s how mine is laid out (the main way for force curve graphs)
:/ all the 62g springs are sold out
You'd be surprised what people make graphs about.
did someone say graphs?
"makes some graph about headphones because I'm a huge audio nerd"
speaking of buying things
I'm buying the headphones FOR SURE tomorrow, but I need a dedicated mic and boom arm setup too
so, anyone got any recommendations for a combo that's like $75-ish? I know a blue snowball is $50 and a boom arm, well a good one, is around $25
but the snowball itself comes in in 4 weeks so like I wanna find a combo that's in stock if I can
I dont have a suggestion but congrats on finally getting the headsets 
@jovial scaffold thanks haha, from what I know the 660S are better than the 650 so i'm gonna mod the 58X, remove the foam and paper over the driver, and it should sound so close to the 660S
What’s a good 60% or an 87 key keyboard
Corsair Ironclaw wireless or just normal?
are there any custom keycap sets for the hyperx alloy origins?
afaik it has a standard bottom row so any set could fit it, mainly just preference
kk
Yo, peeps, i need help, im kinda new to the "mechanical keyboard buying business" and im between getting the steelseries apex 5 or the logitech g613, which one would be better
I'm sure there will be proponents of Logitech but I like steel series keyboards as a whole, way better than Logitech keyboards.
I just don't like logi :)
Yeah, Logitech's skill is mice for sure.
Logitech is fine
ordered the headphones! I have all the instructions to mod them in place, so yay
they ship on the 10th
hopefully
anyone else hate custom built keyboards
i have come to a conclusion that ghost is too poor to get a keyboard like that so he hates on it

Rip
I want one with those key caps that have pretty pink tree
i honestly think they're ugly .-.
and they're expensive af for some reason
people spend thousands on one keyboard
It's the part of the PC you directly interface with, it's worth making sure it's quality
The all metal keyboard probably cost thousands
i mean you can get a full brass keyboard for 1k, and just a alu one can be like 140
well yeah but nobody is gonna buy brass keycaps
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It's heavy, it's GOLD(en), and ...
yeah salvun made those and its like $60 a piece
and linus had to send them back rip
Yes
also I wonder who won that 🤔
Not me 😦
@real galleon it's been a few days, liking your 6XXs? think they were worth it?
Just got the Tecware Phantom 104 keyboard today, first mech keyboard so I need a little getting use to it
~$100
can someone link me one
So I am looking to buy this monitor: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07CWDBL39/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=ggf0c-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07CWDBL39&linkId=2fdea7b32d4a63d6a656cf9f1762d640 . I have a 2080ti and 3900x. I have been looking for monitors (specifically HDR) that have 144 hz, but it never occurred to me that the higher hz, the more power it will take to actually get 144 fps. I have seen some reviewers say that you probably need a Titan gpu or something along those lines to even get 144 fps. Is that true and if so, should I even be looking for 144 hz monitor that is HDR?
I think you mean the higher resolution
4k (3440x2160) is a lot harder to run than 1080p to get 144fps
Yo, Ironclaw wireless RGB. What to expect?
Real corsair fanboy and I need a mouse to complete my set plus a mousepad.
@ionic terrace the Corsair MM800 RGB pad is nice, but $60 lol
Breh. That's about almost the same price as the mouse then lmao @hasty quail
I ain't rich lel.
I'm even wincing at the fact I bought hs 70 which still makes question why I spent that much.
@ionic terrace if you're looking for ergonomics, I'd suggest the dark Core rgb pro
I love that mouse. I was considering the ironclaw too, but the reviews on it are mixed
Is there any good mechanical keyboard with Brown switches under 60-70 €
why do so many ppl use the hyperx fps alloy?
do cherry mx switches only have the two contacts? one on the bottom and one on the side?
well. they're all on the bottom
but on the bottom of the bottom and side of the bottom
@hazy fiber Aight thanks for the opinion, I'll try and see if I have any cash left for that.
Hey guys, any idea for a mechanical keyboard, preferably gaming and blue switch
i currently have the hyperx alloy elite blue switches
Depends on what ur price range is
max 250$

:(
okay but it even has a microphone
depends on if u rlly need it @silver roost
like if ur a streamer and u need 150-200$ of mic/audio quality, then go for it
but most ppl are just fine with regular headphones
as a non-streamer, i'd go with something a little cheaper like a regular kraken
Well I mean I might go into streaming
I never tried because I have a bad echo with speakers
My local best buy sells Nari Wirelesses for $130
Then I could sell my current speakers for a little less so it’s not really a large loss
How about the Kraken Ultimate is that good
all razer headsets have phenominal quality
np
personally, I have tried both, and the sound quality between razer kraken x usb and razer nari ultimate isn't that much- I also liked the kraken x soooo much better bc it's really light and you can wear it for hours on end without feeling your head getting heavy or your ears hot @silver roost, if you plan to have it on for long periods of time
HyperX clouds are always nice too
Ive had my cloud II's for 3 years and they still feel and sound great
@ me if you respond please.
Does anyone use a Respawn gaming chair?
I know I'm getting annoying about the headphones but I'm looking for reeeeeeally good ones, looking for ones under comfortable, under $200, wireless
I can't choose between the many options
Shoot me a ping if you have answers
Arctis 5 or 7- those any good?
do they have to be wireless?
because I was gonna recommend the cooler master MH751 or MH752
probably the best closed back under 200 gaming headset you can get
I'm probably gonna go with the Arctic 5, don't care about the wire
Reason: Bad word usage
woops
Everyone who had one recommended it said they liked it very much so I was like if I can get it for $88 then why not

If u have such a high budget for headphones @silver roost go Razer nari ultimate
Or if you have a super high budget, get some audiophile stuff. Like, separate dac/amps and stuff
I was told not to go for razer headphones tho
The issue with this virus is that I don't get to test any of this out so this is very hard for me to make a choice
does anyone know if the hyperx cloud earbuds are any good?
no
alright
I do not know, that is :)
I recently purchased an autofocus HD 1080P Webcam and it is not working well with my Mac computers. I need information about software/drivers that are safe to download so the camera will provide a reasonable quality picture on the screen. It works fine on my friend's laptop because the software downloaded automatically when we connected the camera, but that's because he has a PC laptop. I am the person doing constant Zoom meetings with students, and I am all Mac. I hope you can recommend some software that I can download so I don't look so washed out I appear to be a ghost! Thanks!!!
Look for the manufacturer website
I tried to do that, but the manufacturer isn't revealed. Here is the description in Newegg:
AutoFocus Full HD Webcam 1080P with Privacy Shutter - Pro Web Camera with stereo Microphone - USB Computer Camera for PC Laptop Desktop Mac Video Calling, Conferencing Skype YouTube AutoFocus Full HD Webcam 1080P with Privacy Shutter - Pro Web Camera with stereo Microphone - USB Computer Camera for PC Laptop Desktop Mac Video Calling, Conferencing Skype YouTube The literature that came with it suggests downloading an AMCAP.exe file "from website" but no website is given. Plus, exe files are only for PCs, not for Macs.
And there is your problem. You are using non mac approved hardware+software with a mac
The webcam came with a pamphlet that suggested AMCAP files, but at the same time said the webcam was appropriate for Mac systems. I found a web site with alternative software for Macs (instead of AMCAP), and one program was Debut. (I keep trying to paste the link here but when I do that it deletes my entry.) I don't want to randomly download programs, but maybe Debut is safe.
The web site is alternativeto.net.
I didn't download anything from that web site since I wasn't sure if the site was malware or not. It looks legitimate, but I didn't want to experiment with downloading Debut (or any of the other suggested programs) without checking with other people who are more experienced at using webcam software than I am. The webcam is totally recognized by my Mac laptop, and I use it for all my Zoom sessions with students. The issue is that I need software to help the picture to be better because it's totally washed out. I am hoping Debut might be that software, and that some webstreamer out there uses a Mac and is familiar with software that will work for me.
Thanks for this suggestion. You are the only person who has shared this key piece of advice with me about which webcams work with Macs! I really hate to spend more money, but I had borrowed a logitech webcam from a friend (before I bought my own webcam) and it worked just fine. (I only now realize that the brand mattered.) Given that online teaching will be continuing for many months to come, I think I need to take your suggestion and buy a webcam that will work with Mac.
oh wow I just saw this now haha
yeah @gleaming walrus get something like a logitech, their webcams are nice, and not too expensive
I would say you could just get a windows PC in some form, but I assume your mac is school issued
I just graduated high school actually 😂 i'm thinking about taking the IT opening they have since I know all my teachers would recommend me, they always asked me first before they actually talked to the IT people lmao
yeah autofocus is notorious for not wanting to work with macs, I never figured out why
@west hornet 58X jubilees come in tomorrow and I'm MEGA HYPE
kinda surprised it took so little time
I ordered them last friday, they shipped on monday
oh nice, I just ordered a new audio interface yesterday
what'd you get?
the motu m2
it was impossible to find anywhere
I can imagine, lots of things you think would be in stock just aren't
stupid corona
I ended up buying it from someone on a discord, fingers crossed i get it
yeah im confident i will, if not there is buyers protection
that's what I always say lmao
I called a few stores and they all said it could be awhile until they got it in stock
still waiting to order my mic arm
I need to do that too
I'm waiting to get the cans to try and see how I wanna do it that's all
probably gonna get a K669 or whatever it's called from fifine
I just saw a FedEx truck go up the street 👀
yeah fifine has good budget from what i hear
lemme check otuside rq lmao
dang 
the q2u is also a good budget mic
see like it says it'll be delivered tomorrow
but it's literally in pittsburgh right now
not even 10 mins away
y’all are like a black market with all this sus stuff
wdym sus lmao
why tf u buying stuff off discord
I know drop is famous for taking a month to ship
like at least do it off Reddit or something
I happened to run into someone with extra equipment
reddit, ebay, etc. ive already tried
no one selling or sold out
¯_(ツ)_/¯
it was a last resort
Yeah massdrop usually takes awhile to ship
I think mine was about a month
then again I guess I got lucky
they shipped from jersey and I live in PA
didn't take long at all
Schiit usually takes a while for me too, but I had sorter shipping during quarantine
I need to order my modi and magni too
not yet though imma wait a few months I don't really need them
my G6 is fine
Ye do research first
I did and like honestly I don't think I need them at all
a lot of people like the G6, it can even drive those legendary 600 ohm things from berodynamic
ofc it is totally up to you, we all hear things different 🙂
@hushed root how about this one?
Yes
anyone know of some good keyboards thata arent too expensive
like 75 and under
I was looking at the razer ornata maybe
Logitech k120
refurbished corsair mech keyboard 
There’s the k63 something that was less than 75
Is*
And I think that linus recently did a video
Can i post the video here or dm?
Can I ask about a router here? I don't see a networking section, so I'm trying peripherals. How does this, TP-Link Archer AX10 Wi-Fi 6 Dual-Band Router, compare to a, ASUS RT-AC68R Wireless-AC1900 ?
I assume any AX router is going to be better than my AC router. I just want to make sure it is an upgrade before I place my order. This is not the Wi-fi 6 AX router I would prefer to have, but I want to jump on the AX band wagon as soon as possible and I could get this cheaper model now, while I save for a better AX Wi-fi 6 router to buy later.
For less than 75
Corsair k63
RedDragon devajaras
Logitech k840
Corsair k68
Logitech 610 Orion
@heady spruce
i have the k63 wireless on my main PC and it's fantastic
I use the Tecware phantom 104 with outemu browns, no problems and feels nice
@heady spruce
does anyone have the myochair or ergo chair 2
or the steelcase series 1
I was listening to bohemian rhapsody and spent a good 2hrs deciding if there was distortion in the recording(clipping)
DUDE
WHAT THE HELL
WHAT IS THIS SOUND I'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE
OK
WHAT
this is not right
I think I just heard what you were talking about
coming from the left side?
yes
WHAT
mostly in left channel
THAT'S FROM THE RECORDING?
some of the bass and guitar
I googled and on reddit some people said it was a strategy of producers
closed back is still good for some people
All depends on the person 🙂
this is too good
lol
with mine I wasn't sure what to think at first but then slowly noticed more and more differences in sound
another song i like to listen to is warriors by league of legends, has a really cool feel
feels very chilling to me
funny thing was when i got new headphones in vc it made there voices sound worse to me at first because my friends don't have good mics
there was no change in their voices 
I don't like it
go back to the dark theme newegg logo
I just saw that
that wasn't about the headphones btw lmao
lol
Does anyone have any suggestions for L shaped gaming desks?
I can't find any that are deep enough, or cost more than my computer
Hey guys 👋👋👋
Sup
Heyooo
hi
Anyone know good mic?
Yes
I know of a good Mike
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anyone know if tp links are worth it? i've been running my pc of a wifi connection for the last year and was wondering if a tp link has major effect as my main internet router is too far away from my room :))
electrovoice RE20 
Just a rando question, but what would be the best way to sell a monitor locally?
Also, use Letgo and Offerup. Using those in collection would broaden your range. FB marketplace would be the fastest way of selling in my opinion since everyone has FB @fluid dew
Thanks for the answers
didnt letgo get purchased by offerup?
offerup is a bit more active in the tech area than FB marketplace
many people have facebook but not everyone uses marketplace
Np
They seem to fake.
Only one way to find out
Do gaming chairs count as peripherals?
I'd say so
heh
whats the best keyboard for its price?
🤔 depends on how much u wanna spend
@flat fjord how much are you willing to spend?
He's not here anymore lol
He probably left. Spammers tend to do that when they don't get attention
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
the yeti nano seems like a decent usb mic if you can afford it
Best keyboard for around 80
so I'm new to the keyboard game, but would like to buy a nice keyboard for gaming. I'm currently using a G.SKILL KM570 RGB with MX Browns. It's alright, but quite loud (especially for browns).
Looking around in the local marketplace, I've found these two in new condition:```cpp
"One 2 Mini (white, MX Speed Silver) for 90 euro"
"Ducky Shine 4 (black, MX Black) for 50 euro"
Any recommendations on which to choose? Is the One 2 Mini worth the higher price?
probs going with the mini, because I heard MX blacks are not so great
alright, buying the One 2 Mini for 90€ in a bit
mx blacks are pretty heavy
vintage blacks from old wyse boards are pretty nice, but you need to put a lighter spring in them to make them good
I'm looking for a mic boom arm around 100, i was going to get the blue compass but it seems out of stock everywhere, anyone know a place that might have it or an alternative
just a boom arm or a mic and boom arm?
just arm
the oc white podcast pro looks interesting but i've never heard of it before, i've looked at a few from auray too
maybe ill just keep waiting for the blue
Any recomendations on an affordable and well made keyboard/mouse
Budget would be around $50 each
If you don't mind going a little over, I would wait for a sale on a corsair dark core rgb pro - I personally love it
Harpoon wireless [in my opinion] is a good budget option if you can find it under $35
Oh man i feel bad now
i was looking at the corsair dark core rgb pro like 2 days ago, it spiked on amazon to over 150 ;-;
They have occasional sales down to $69.99. But if that's over budget, eh
no no i was contemplating on getting it, i dont mind going over a bit if its worth it you know
Yeah, looks like the good sellers are out of stock on amazon
Go for corsair.com if you want it. It's $80 msrp
There are other options, this is just my personal preference
Understandable, will keep it in mind though because ive heard good things about before
i have the Dark Core, it was a hit to my finances but worth the price in the end for me lol
ive never owned a wireless mouse how long do they generally hold their charge?
Does anyone know a good wireless headphone under 80?
@tidal spoke this one holds about 2 days for me w/ 10-12hr computer usage each day, plus the USB-C charging cable allows you to use wired while it charges
Corsair h60 is $70. heard of it having issues with the usb adapter but overall supposed to bbe pretty goood
@hasty quail oh wow thats amazing, i was expecting less than a 12 hour battery life
i use it 2-3hrs before work, 8hrs during work, and 2-3hrs after work, and sometimes i will have to plug it in near the end of a work shift after removing it from charging the day before, so
like yesterday i removed from charge at noon, and it's 628pm now and it's "low" but not "critical low"
Does it ever get randomly disconnected?
nope, neither wired or thru the wireless adapter
i was very hesitant about it, but so glad i got it
it's the most expensive mouse i have ever bought lol
Same here, kinda scary but since its something im going to use on a daily basis might as well get something of quality right
Does anyone know if the hyperx quadcast mic is any good
the polar patterns are meh, should stay on cardioid. It's nice to have a mute button on the top and the sound is decent. it is a little expensive.
ports are also in a weird spot, the headphone jack on it i wouldn't use because you cannot turn off direct monitoring
Normally it goes for around 120 so if I find one for that price would it be good?
im not sure tbh, could depend on the person, like if you have a deep or high voice etc. other usb mic options would probably be samson q2u, blue yeti nano, blue yeti. You can look up reviews for them, I like reviews from Podcastage.
could also try a budget xlr setup possibly, but that would be a bit more complex
I would honestly check out the q2u instead. i like it more and it cheaper @knotty cape
Ok ty I'll check it out
@jovial scaffold thanks haha, from what I know the 660S are better than the 650 so i'm gonna mod the 58X, remove the foam and paper over the driver, and it should sound so close to the 660S
@brisk parcel this is actually wrong. They use the smaller driver and surrounding of the hd559 which is usually $70 to 90 just in the body of the 660. The reason some people believe this is because a poorly researched video from hw Canucks unfortunately.
The materials used in the driver are also very different along with the membrane
It is basically a 559 in a less comfortable housing and at a higher price. If possible I would recommend returning it and getting the 559 or paying slightly more to get an hd650 as they tend to go pretty on now that the 660s took over their price bracket and have been discounted a couple times
Oh I see, you quoted a message that had a ping to me in it, which in turn pinged me again
Confusing lol
Here is a quick image of them both since I do t feel like opening mine up rn
595 is the same deiver as the 559 just the 595 has a plate glued on the housing to make it sound less open which is pretty easy to remove
I actually modded mine today lol
For comparison here is the 660s
And its surrounded wirh more of a metal than a cloth substance along with a metal mesh behind the driver (which I recommend removing if possible)
you sure? I've even had the chance to compare these with the 650s and 660s that a friend owns, and they sound nearly identical to the 660s, which I prefer over the 650s. Even doing harmonic and acoustic measurements, they're within a margin of error of my friends' 660s
650 isnt the same either nor is it the same as the 58x
Both are just all around better than the 58x lol
As again the 58x uses the more low end driver of the 559
like I said before, I know the difference between them, but they still sound much better than the 559s to my ear
660s shares a driver with ethe hd800 if im not mistaken
Then that is you brain tricking you
maybe it is, but then in this case I'm glad it's tricking me
Also the 650 and 660 are obviously going to sound vetter as they arent using that lower end driver
And if using the 650 I recommend removing the foam back of the driver as it really hurts audio quality
I did that mod to my 650 too lol
according to the page from drop itself, the 58Xs do in fact use their newer 150-ohm driver, not the one that the more aged 559 uses
I've removed the foam and the paper over the driver, it sounds so close to the 660 it's not even funny, and I've listened to the 559s a lot, I used them for a few months
these just have more
For starters the cloth isn't supposed to me removed and also doesnt cover the driver. Secondly the drivers aren't even the same size as the 660 driver even if we ignored changes in membrane shape and pattern and internal material
you're right, they're not the same size
but that doesn't mean they don't sound so close
I had the chance to listen, side-by-side, like I said
Except they also factually dont as they dont have the same frequency response or sound curve
I grabbed the 58Xs over the 6XXs since Zeos pointed out that they sound similar to the 660s than the 6XXs do to the 650s
and since I prefer the 660s over the 650s, while the 650s are warmer, I went with the 58Xs
I own both the 559 (which now is a 595) and hd650 and none sound like the 660s at all
Also, dont use zeos
He is a laughingstock in the audiophile community with most people joking that he is deaf
Because he hasn't given a single accurate description of a headset
On the technical side or sound side
have you listened to the 58Xs though? read what people have said about it, while it LOOKS similar to the 559s, they sound nothing alike
it even says on the product page itself that it uses the newer driver, while it's not the SAME one, it is based off of the newer driver
Again, they have the same frequency response and the same sound curve and are physically the same driver (the 58x and 559 that is). They are not physically the same as the 660s nor do they match up in either of those departments
It isnt subjective
You are experiencing the badder meinhof effect
You are the Baader-Meinhof effect
...
him
let me get you some charts
oh it was for him
oh go ahead
okay what does that even mean
"magic"
ah yes
what, the Baader-Meinhof effect?
no the graph
@brisk parcel yep and for audio those are very different
Showing one is much higher on bass and lower on highs
dunno man they look pretty similar
Most sennheiser hedsets follow that same shape @tight pulsar
let me find a chat comparing the modified 58Xs to the 559s
What matters is how high or low they are at points which those are opposites for
so is the blue one better on the first one or no
so you want it lower
The hd600 is also a different driver than both and is also worse than the hd660s but also better than the hd559/58x
sorry, THIS is the modified 58X(blue) to the 660s(red)
the other graph was an untouched pair of 58Xs
very similar
it's almost alughable
laughable*
No, again for a frequency response graph that is not nearly the same
It shows the 58x being much less balanced and dropping off really quickly for higher frequencies
since you think I didn't do my homework, and about the graphs, it's worth noting that the S stands for (symetrical) in 660S, since it comes with a symetrical cable, the 58X does not
which buying a symetrical cable is not nearly enough to make up for the price difference
simply put, the 58Xs are DIFFERENT, they definitely are
but VERY close to the 660S, so they're basically a poor man's 660S
They are completely different. About as different as you can get with a headset from the same company in the same chasis
But theya re identical to something in every way
The 559...
this is my first time getting into audiophile stuff, so of course I had to learn all this stuff and do research
They are not a poor man's 660 any more than the cheaper 559 is
Which it is not
As they sound completely different in both highs and lows
And not in a good way
The 559 are mainly for listening to types of bass driven music
let me get charts for the 559s too then, since I clearly don't have a clue what i'm talking about
the 559s even have a different impedance, and they don't even have the same frequency response
you said the 559s are basically the 595s now?
alright
well unfortunately I can't find charts that compare them directly, so I have to dig a little deeper
umm
it appears that it is a subjective thing
...
the 595s have a larger frequency response than your 559s
It really isnt
14 Hz to 26 kHz, for the 559s
It is physically the same driver for all 3 along with the same surrounding for the driver for all 3
12 Hz - 38.5 kHz, for the 595s
@brisk parcel that is because of how the foam pad slightly impedes some of the interaction between air and the driver
and wow would you look at that
I remove the foam on my 58Xs and it makes no difference?
but it does in your case suddenly?
The 58x doesn't have foam...
The oval of cloth around the driver isn't supposed to be removed
Sure
i see that trying to flex ur pc there
no I used it for the light
so you can see the material
my living room is dark at night lmao
Ah, you meant on the inside of the driver? That is meant to protect it and you should never remove that!
no
the foam on the back of the grille
you pop that grille off, and there's foam right there
I removed that
it helps to widen the soundstage, brings the sub-bass up more and leaves the trebles less constrained
I thought you removed the oval of cloth on the outside which in sennheiser's words has to do with the damping effect and keeping a consistent sound profile in different environments
Also it doesn't do all that if jt is on the back of the grill
The reason the 559 modd matters is because it is a thick foam that blocks air completely and the 650 has a foam against the driver which restricts how it moves
Clearly they are not quite as good as you thought as the effects you are describing would not occur from that change
the foam here is not much different from that, it dampens sound coming in from outside the headset by at least 10-15% more
No, that isnt what it does
well clearly it does if I can hear people much easier without the foam
As it is a thin foam and does not block air pressure changes in the headset and it doesn't press against the driver
but, without that foam it still allows the sound more freedom to travel
What that foam does is protect against stains and damage because the 559 driver is much more susceptible to that than the 650 driver
it 100% widened the soundstage, and I looked into that, it's not like I'm gonna be taking these anywhere
...
for the mods watching I'm sure this is fun 😂
seriously dude, I did plenty of homework on this
I was torn between the 58Xs, 600s, 6XXs and 650s for over 2 months
I went with the 58Xs as modding them would bring them closer to the 660S, but that's out of my price range
And again, you are objectively wrong on all the points you made but support them with anecdores which are also wrong...
dude I just graduated high school, I need to save for college, and really?
charts don't lie
I even gave you a PDF to back it all up
The images you sent demonstrated how different they are and if im correct on what that pdf is from it also explains that it isnt the same driver at all nor is it even a similar sized driver or using the same shape or materials
this filter might help as well, the roll-off allowed the bass to extend into the mids more, and the treble could go higher without being over-bearing
I never said they were the same driver
I said they were based on the same driver, which they are
No, they arent
directly from the product page: "The HD 58X Jubilee uses Sennheiser’s new 150-ohm drivers, which require less amplification than previous driver platforms while retaining the same magnet strength and driver size. "
They are not the same in terms of material usage, driver size, membrane used, dampened material, dampener size, or dampener shape
Sennheiser didn't make the product page on Massdrop and there are plenty of forums and discussions on how massdrop lied in the marketing and product page of the headset (and they dont have only one 150 ohm driver)
I know they don't have only one driver, and where are these things saying that drop lied? I never found any of that in my months of research
go onto the product page there and look at the graphs yourself, I don't want to waste my time putting them here, I will link the page for you though
they compare to the 650s btw
at least in the charts
which are better than the 559
they're not even considered in the same league as the 559 man
you can say the 559 and 595 are the same, but from what i've seen from tonight alone, clearly they aren't
foam around a driver doesn't affect frequency response
and if so, that would be clearly reflected
give me a few mins to switch over to my phone please, if you want to even keep talking
Alright I’m on my phone now, unless you have anything else to say I’m about done
@west hornet you should love all this ^
Just scroll up a ways, you’ll see where it starts
I have no clue what’s going on rn
why would you specifically love this lol
Charts lie? Well some people do test the frequency response of headphones themself and I don’t remember any reviewer babbling about how the charts were wrong. They are usually not exact but the one on product page would be average for it
why would you specifically love this lol
@junior flower /shrug
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Wow didn’t work, I feel like failure now
i am a failure all the time
Failure club rise up
Also this discussion kind of reminds me of sm57 vs sm7b. Although they are based on same capsule. By making some adjustments like a windscreen and a bit of eq you can get the 100usd sm57 to sound near the same as the ~400usd sm7b
I figured you would love it because you and I have always chatted about headphones
I wish an audiophile role existed, I would take that for sure
Lol, roles for specific subjects you are into
Exactly
Hey man I only started doing this recently but man I love it
It’s so interesting
In terms of modifying a hd58x idk much about and haven’t researched it yet so idk much
I love to listen to music
I mean same here, but with good audio equipment too 😂
Hearing differences of gear is so cool. Listening to a soundtrack on speakers vs headphones can be such a difference it is so cool
And yeah I get it, I removed the foam and the paper over the driver and it does sound noticeably better and so close to the 660S, and YES I TOTALLY GET THAT
I’ve done that before on quite a few things
I’ve been listening to the weathering with you soundtrack for 10+ hours 
The only way to know for sure is trying both headphones on hand
Which I’ve done
Some people just buy a lot of popular headphones for testing
Yeah I’ve seen posts on that
I know someone that has like 20+ mics and several interfaces XD
Then you need a big boi interface
There was a jz vintage mic on sale for 400. If I had money I would want it. Sounds so nice on guitar
For the 58Xs to be my first personal pair of audiophile headphones, I’m very happy with them and ooh
Guitar
I had one, haven’t been able to get it fixed though
Rip
I’m learning piano rn and hopefully learn the bazooki one day
I have nystagmus, so they move back and forth on their own and it’s hard to stay focused so I can get off sometimes
And oooh I would love to learn piano
If I had one 😂
It’s pretty fun, I have a pretty cheap keyboard
I might do that honestly but I’m not sure
Someone offered to give me a grand but I have no space to put it
That’s money that I don’t have to spend right now
BRUH I WISH
I want a grand so bad
Same here, not with 7 people in my house 😂
Plus my dad doesn’t like piano so he against it


Speaking of piano I actually have to practice right now lol
Alright go do that
See ya 
Is there any good keyboards in stock rn? (60% or higher)
Sorry for the late response
Was putting these images together
Just to make what should be already a pretty clear fact by how far highs and lows were in the charts or if you actually read the pdf you sent even more clear...
So which of those should I buy to flex on internet discord nerds?
I mean usually but some sales on the 650 bring it to lower prices or about the same
Fair enough
Which is worth it imo for the better paint finish and the better packaging tbh
Although if you plan to repaint it that doesn't matter much lol
I want to make mine a blue and purple theme
Are those closed back? My use case would prefer closed back.
Should I get the cloud 2 or artics 5
Dude I’m telling you now they’re not the same driver
I’ve used both extensively, and there is a major difference, both in sound quality and soundstage
They don’t even look the same in the pictures you sent
@untold acorn what’s your budget for keyboards?
@trim plover tbh, if you have the money, I recommend the cooler master MH751 or MH752 instead
The only difference is that the MH752 comes with the little DAC/AMP that has surround sound
Sorry, I didn’t mean to say “if you have the money” they’re a very similar price
yea the budget is a $100
I just ordered the hyper cloud 2
I mean I could cancel it
but I like the sound controls and etc
Ah alright, you won’t be disappointed by those either if you really want them
I had cloud 2s for 3 and a half years before I got my new headphones
are the cloud 2s good?
I’ve seen a lot of pros use them
especially csgo players
and I’ve just never seen the cooler master brand
as a headset
so idk
Yeah they’re good, but my only thing about that is that, they’re marketed for “gaming” etc
Long story short
I mean I’m not doing very serious gaming but I do play competitively
I play valorant
maybe fortnite sometimes
idk
or even modern warfare
If you want to cancel the cloud 2s and try the cooler masters, they’re definitely a little higher quality for the money
Yeah yeah I get it no worries
One thing about the cloud 2s though, they have better imaging with the surround turned OFF
imaging is being able to tell directly where the sound is coming from
If you have the time to watch these 2 videos I’m gonna send you, they’re about the cloud alpha, which is a slightly newer cloud 2, they use the same driver, and the MH 751/752
You’ll be happy with either though, don’t worry
Hyper X Alpha --------------------- [https://amzn.to/2XfUrQQ]
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::: Other Closed Cans under $100 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Creative Aurvana Live! ---------- [https://amzn.to/2BLOLVA]
CB-1 --------------------------...
Buy MH751 --------------------- [https://amzn.to/2Xo1y9O]
Buy MH752 --------------------- [https://amzn.to/2Ec5x0m]
[https://www.patreon.com/Zeos] -- Check out the Patreon
Takstar Pro82 ----------------- [https://amzn.to/2XmUvOI]
SOUND DEMO : https://youtu.be/3mPXMTeiw1A
- -...
After personally listening to both, I agree that the MH75Xs are better for the money, but both are good
Well, it really depends
Alright ima watch the video
I put mine through very rigorous use for the years I had them, and the mic was going bad, not the mic itself, but since there’s no splitter for mic and audio, the mic connection in the cable was going bad
So, as my friends put it, it sounds like posseidon was coming up out of the water, occasionally
Depending on which way the cable was turned, etc
But I could still hear fine with them
i have the cloud 2s and i can give the most unprofessional review if u want cause idk anything
so the mic got worse?
No, the quality of the mic stayed the same
are the cloud2s good though @tight pulsar
But the connection in the cable got lose, and I don’t know why
oh
And since it’s not a detachable cable, it’s hard to fix
But like I said, you’ll be happy with them
theyre pretty good for gaming and music
They’re definitely one of the best for the money
but i got mine for free so i cant really complain about them :v
Watching those videos will help you out
So I recommend you do that and come back to me
isn’t it like the takstar headphones
Yup
Exact same ones, but the earcups are slightly wider, to give the sound more room
And it’s not like the logo on the side says “cooler master” either
It’s just that little hexagon
So if you wanted to use them for mobile listening, which I recommend since they’re great for music too, you can just detach the mic
You can do the same for the cloud 2s though
Alright just watch the vids I’ll be here 😂
If you have a chance, and the budget sometime, I would pick up a pair of open-backs, they’re really something else
amazing mother board guys
Dude I’m telling you now they’re not the same driver
@brisk parcel and after everything shown so far that is a delusional statement in denial...
@kenny ツ#9101 neither
@kenny ツ#9101
Why is it not working
Also please stop using z reviews
Kenny is gone
The guy is largely as much of a meme in the audio community as hw canucks is in the pc community
The only difference is that the MH752 comes with the little DAC/AMP that has surround sound
@brisk parcel dac is to remove electrical noise and amps are just to supply power (different caps can effect noise output due to how they discharge)
This is why most cheap audio equipment uses electrolytic caps, useless audio equipment use solid caps, and high end stuff use film caps
@split nimbus the point of a dac outside of your pc is to remove electrical noise. People dong get then because your pc is somehow incapabke of converting a signal
By solid cap, do you mean ceramic?
There are many types of solid caps
Well capacitors aren't just an insulator
I understand what a capacitor is
Infact, the conductor material is about as important
For the ESR and Z scores and such?
Aluminum polymer is one of the more common solid caps
So not like the ceramics
Correct
More along the line of tantalum
If you see mainly aluminum polymer cap for an amp generally that means it will sound bad
umm dac is to remove electrical noise? They can very much add noise if the manufacturer wanted. the point of it is to convert a digital signal to a analog signal headphones and speakers can read. you could get a external one to limit the interference coming in or even using a connection like optical to eliminate most of the noise from outside sources.
The solid cap thing makes sense. Tantalum also has pretty bad frequency response, so I imagine aluminum would behave similarly
The dac thing though is odd I agree
No, the purpose is not to add electrical noise in any instance... that is simply the result of bad design
it is not the purpose but if the manufacturer did choose it could very well be the purpose
The purpose of a DAC is to take a digital signal and convert it to an analog voltage or current level
electrical noise is not the main function
It would be like saying tuting is designed to need larger dies to do the same work as pascal. That is simply the result of a poor int focused design and nvidia didnt consciously say we want to have a worse design
Oh, I remember you now
it is one of the aspects of converting a signal you should look out for as you don't want a dac or amp spewing out more noise
A digital signal is more immune to EMI as compared to an analog one. That might be why you thank the DAC removes noise
That's one of the reason VGA cables degrade over distance
@west hornet which is why it isnt what manufacturers aim for and parts that see high effects from external electrical noise are just bad designs
The manufacturer doesn't sit down and say "how can we have more unterfereence effect our signal"
Actually, a good manufactuere will do just that
you buy a dac/amp to get the most out of the headphones you own. this could be in frequency response, clarity, depth, etc.
If you can find paths for EMI to make its way in, you can block it
You dont want it effecting the actual analog signal as that will alter the sound to the headphones
Reason: Bad word usage
Oof
No, the goal of a dac is to keep the signal integrity as perfect as possible with as little alteration as possible from the original sound
different dacs often have different signatures if you will. there are consumer dacs that generally have a bit of a warmer sound that is better for listening where many studio dacs in interfaces and such have a goal of keeping the signal as flat and accurate as possible so it depends on the use case
But it will always affect the signal to some degree
another example is tube amps often have different unique sound signatures, so you don't buy one cuz it's good, you get it to suit your own ears
@west hornet actually that usually has more to do with the amp unless your dac is just doing s poor job converting the signal
it can do with both
Not unless you have a bad dac design
amps are mostly supposed to raise the level of the output while keeping the signal clean with least amount of noise
The amp however it is heavily dependent on due to how caps discharge to supply power for certain frequencies
It also depends on the inductors, but the biggest thing is what sort of active component it uses
A bipolar amp will sound very different than a mosfet amp for the exact same components in the rest of the circuit
The purpose of a mosfet for power delivery is to block the flow of electrons or let them pass by switching from an active or non active state... an amp doesn't need to block the signal as that would alter audio...
No, I study computer engineering and have known this since I was maybe 15?
It isnt a complex topic lmfao
I too study computer engineering, so I know that this is more electrical engineering than CEG.
That said, I probably have been working with breadboards and discrete components since I was 13 or so
There seems to be mosfet here, no?
one last thing i might add is audio is highly subjective to the person. We can talk about electrical differences all day but in the end it comes to how it sounds to you. the best way to know the differences is to simply hear it for yourself.
Yeah
The mosfet deal is mostly calling fortnut's bluff. If you want to have high signal fidelity, you're going to want to have a veryhigh, ideally infinte, input impedence. mosfet's have that, and that's why they're used for opamps and rc circuits.
it's like the magni 3+ and heresy from schiit, the heresy is a op amp that measures slightly better but they both sound identical.
Yeah
Frankly, I think the "perfect fidelity" circuits sound kinda cold, I like there to be a little bit of distortion or non-linearity or whatever in there to warm things up
exactly why measurements don't always matter, in the end it's what you like 🙂
Same reason I like AM over FM I guess. FM just sounds harsh
Just got back and I will admit that was my mistake (on not realizing why they would be needed)
The main reason for sound difference on tube amps however is more because they are higher impedence (which results in compromise if used for output)
It isnt that they are supplying a different sound, it's just a design needs to be tweaked to accommodate the worse impedance
Yeah, output impedence is a whole nother issue
If you're dealing with high power stuff, you can actually burn out your amp if you have mismatched impedences
Never seen it happen, but heard reports
@thick plank I know what a DAC and an AMP is
My sound blasterX G6 acts as both, and btw, you forgot about DSP
They dont effect the sound stage as that has to do more with the headset
Actually entirely
Since no DAC is perfect, different designs and constructions will impart their own nuance to their analog output signal.
I’m getting a Schiit modi and magni here soon, and I prefer my 58Xs on those over my G6, although the filter option on the G6 is a very nice added bonus
Not this again...
And I agree with Chopsticks, it all depends on what the manufacturer wants to achieve, and what the end user wants for their ears
And what do you mean “not this again”
While my G6 can drive up to 600 ohms, it doesn’t provide the warmth that the modi and magni will
I considered a tube amp honestly, but that’s not something my budget can afford right now
I can’t even afford the modi and magni atm, I’m waiting, but they will be my end choice for sure
I'd guess a tube amp would have a higher THD vs a similar class D amp built with semiconductor based switching components.
But might have a "warmer" feel
Yeah, from what I’ve heard and researched, tubes have a “warmer” feel
I am mildly intrigued by tube amps, but it is something i would have to listen to on hand
It depends on the type of tube obviously, and not each tube of the same type is similar
That again is because they are higher impedance which makes powering bass harder if they are incorporated in a design and not adjusted for
Not because they are better for highs or mids or some odd reasoning like that
Since tubes have an overall warmer feeling, some could argue that depending on the cans you’re using, the warmer feeling could influence how the mids and highs sound
Im not sure i would say quite warmer. but tube amps you really have to listen to on hand
Again, that isnt what is happening. The sound appears "warmer" because they are higher impedance and bass is harder to power with them if you have a bad amp design that doesn't accommodate them
is sound warmer near volcanoes?
Yes 
It is not improving mids or highs in any way nor is it an automatic characteristic of the tube transistors
sounds very pretty when you take a dip in
@west hornet I agree, I’ve only listened to the Schiit Vali 2(is that how it’s spelled) and one other that for the life of me I can’t remember the name
But I don’t consider the Vali 2 to be a real tube amp
I definitely noticed that the tubes gave a warmer feeling
lol
It is a rather unfortunate name
don't apologize, that's a great name for a company and product.
I love schiit just for that
I bet it gets really sweaty in the summer.
"Buy our products! We're Schiit!"
They are a hilarious company
And when you are annoyed by bad audio equipment, what will you think of?
💩
Schiit for God Emperor
@untold acorn I would check out really any of Corsair's lineup, steelseries has good options too
most high-end KBs don't really go higher than $200 to begin with
can u guys fix my logitech g910
Wha's wrong wi't
taking apart sitches
broke off one of the pieces underneath the sitch
my uu key is messed
vv
w key?
What part exactly?
theres 2 plastic pieces and a spring
on a keyboard?
logitech g910
You took apart the whole switch?
it broke off
Can you put a picture in #build-pics ?
I see
tiny little blue plastic hooks broke off but
That switch probably is a gonner. Best bet is a replacement
i can get the piece back on there but it doesnt seem right
ith the spring
the key just gets stuck
if its broken you will have to replace it, which is why i shared the above. if its fixable i wouldn't know how to help you there 🤷♂️
you said the part that broke is the blue part irght
tiny blue hook on blue part
If the little hooks broke off, it probably won't hold together right
yeah youll probably just have to replace it
oh wait what i shared doesnt include the blue part hold on
i think the black plastic piece broke off board too
It might be time for a new keyboard then
this one has the clip https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Omron-Romer-G-Mechanical-Keyboard-Switch-Logitech-G-Series-Up-to-56-off/174278220524?var=473323099814&hash=item2893ca9aec:g:WqIAAOSwwz9et~JY
if you broke part of the keyboard itself then youll probably have to buy a new one unless that one falls under warranty and you can return it to logitech
is that the free one or do you have another now?
see if they will RMA that one. but they might not cause it falls under user error 🤷♂️ might be worth a shot
vvorth a shot lol
I've bought a vertical mouse 
@hollow pond no
why
bad
how much did you spend, return it, get a real mouse
I have like 10 vertical mouses in my dad's storage closet
@knotty cape sorry for ping, you asked about hyperx quadcast. I just wanted to mention that elgato came out with a mic that looks very interesting about the same price called the elgato wave
np
can anyone tell me if I should even bother gettting more expensive earbuds
considering I likely wouldn't get to use them with an amp, just plugged into phone
Sound quality, nice features like built in assistant, sound canceling
is a newer wifi adapter for a pc compatible with and older model router?
could anyone please recommend a DisplayPort to HDMI cable that's guaranteed to support 4K @ 60Hz ? 🙇♂️
@swift lantern what did you have now? And what’s your budget for new earbuds?
What do*
@me back with your response please
I’m doing lots of stuff and I’ll forget
@brisk parcel Rn I have some $20 Philips hifi, they do 12hz-40khz they're pretty alright. Not looking to spend more than $75 ideally...



