old-cooling

[knotty sparrow]

Assuming the fans are argb (3 pin) and not the more boring kind (4 pin)

[solid marsh]

Nice i was actually looking at that one

I think there the 4 pin...

[knotty sparrow]

The fans can be 4 pin, it's the RGB connector that matters

[solid marsh]

https://www.amazon.com/Metallicgear-MG-F120-Airflow-Dampening-Addressable/dp/B07P55VKP7/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=120+RGB+Skiron+fans&qid=1629689823&sr=8-3

These are the fans in my case

[knotty sparrow]

D-RGB is ARGB so you're good

[solid marsh]

Oh sweet!

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah different name, same standard

[solid marsh]

Now i gotta figure where this splitter for the im guessing rgb side goes xD.

[knotty sparrow]

That's a proprietary connector

[solid marsh]

Little newer to this terminology 😫

Is it just for the button up top?

Dont have to plug onto the board?

[knotty sparrow]

It's only compatible with their own tech or stuff designed to work with it. There's an adapter.

[solid marsh]

Oh comes out the fans and goes to the button up top, so i should be good? Dont have to plug to motherboard, since fans have a 2nd cord going to mobo.

[knotty sparrow]

There should be 2 wires for each fan, one for power and speed signaling, the other for RGB.

Looks like that kind of fan only works with certain RGB controllers, let me see if there's one with at least 5 slots

[solid marsh]

Theres another cord from the top panel too. For rgb that is

12v grb

[knotty sparrow]

Hmm that could change things. Does that cord fit that RGB connector?

[solid marsh]

Its a 4 pin can fit on jrgb

[knotty sparrow]

So it's like this? http://www.phanteks.com/PH-CB_RGB4P.html

[solid marsh]

Its from this case

https://www.newegg.com/black-white-metallic-gear-neo-air-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854093?item=N82E16811854093

[knotty sparrow]

They lied by the way, that 4 pin isn't actually addressable RGB

[solid marsh]

I feel this is a werid set up xD what i get for going cheap

[knotty sparrow]

Ok so you've got the special case that actually comes with some of those fans, that's perfect actually

What motherboard do you have?

[solid marsh]

B550m pro-vdh wifi

[knotty sparrow]

Sweet MSI includes both kinds of RGB header. In your case 2 of each.

So the end result of all that is you don't need a RGB hub, only a fan hub, so you can save a little money

[solid marsh]

Oh niiiice i like saving money haha

[knotty sparrow]

I'd find one for you but my internet decided I won't be doing that. Shouldn't be more than $10 at the most for a 6-10 fan hub

[solid marsh]

So then to make sure im up to date. I dont need to plug that splitter into the board just the rbg plug to the jrbg place?

And split the fans into sys_fan

[knotty sparrow]

Correct

The fans should all connect together, and then that connector from the case will connect to the motherboard

Then the power/signal for the fans go through a hub

And the hub should have extra power from the PSU and a connector to the board

[solid marsh]

Thanks for all the help! Ill find a splitter tomorrow getting late here haha.

https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-FH-10-Integrated-Occupying-Motherboard/dp/B077YHLDSP/ref=pd_pspc_bs_dps_m_2_m_19?pd_rd_w=sEiaL&pf_rd_p=5cecdcff-93fc-463a-bb2b-fff3a21ac27a&pf_rd_r=26WHRJ89Z25543W33Z2W&pd_rd_r=81e2b528-acd6-4c89-9726-a9d0be09f080&pd_rd_wg=j9ow6&pd_rd_i=B077YHLDSP

This one looks kinda 😎 cool

[knotty sparrow]

That would work but doesn't really save you any money

[solid marsh]

Yea i know xD.

[rose isle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHp1yrjlMz0

[glacial spindle]

my loop pump was dragging ass & whining last night. It's the lowest point of the loop so I don't see how it could possibly have gotten air in it. was thinking of replacing with EK dual D5. Worth it?

[uneven crypt]

I have a evga clc 360mm aio that runs at about 45-55c at all times. whether or not my cpu is idling (5600x @ 4ghz) doesn't that seem alittle high?

[shrewd juniper]

That seems extremely low if under load

Both the temps and the clock speed

[glacial spindle]

you overclocked to 4ghz?

[glacial spindle]

all core OC or PBO is giving you that anemic number?

[shrewd juniper]

Pbo should get closer to 4.8-5ghz iirc

[glacial spindle]

crank up your TDC/EDC

I've gotten as high as 5110 but usually ya just north of 5k

[shrewd juniper]

I'd say they just don't have pbo(or any boosting enabled)

[glacial spindle]

I think it's 3.7 out of the box but single core should boost higher than 4

I don't think I'd see 55c under load even if I cut my TDC/EDC in half

[glacial spindle]

How much better would a single 360 rad custom loop cool vs Liquid Freezer II

[rustic onyx]

Not much better.

The LFII is really good and also has the VRM Cooler to help with well... VRM Cooling

[glacial spindle]

ah okay

I have the LF2 on my 10900K rn

the H500P Mesh isn't a very large case so unless I remove the front intake fans, I won't be able to put more than one 360 rad up top

I guess I could put an extra 140mm on the back too but I doubt that'd be of much consequence

So you think even with some 16mm OD PETG, the LF2 would still be about the same or better?

[rustic onyx]

Don't replace the tubes on an AIO...

Just... use the AIO as-is

Maybe replace the Fans with something that has more static pressure.

[glacial spindle]

sorry I meant a custom loop with 16mm OD petg

[rustic onyx]

I really doubt a bigger tube would add anything to a custom loop

[glacial spindle]

& I replaced fans with Delta AFC1212D-PWM

[rustic onyx]

Uhhh...

[glacial spindle]

113cfm monsters

lol

[rustic onyx]

I don't think those are Static Pressure optimized...

Airflow means fork all compared to Static Pressure when dealing with Radiators.

[glacial spindle]

well they blow hard enough that I disconnected the pull fans

because they would clip the edge of their frames from the deltas pushing so hard

[rustic onyx]

You can have all the airflow you want, but if it can't create static pressure, it's useless.

[glacial spindle]

what would you consider sufficient static pressure?

because these are rated at 10.92 mmH2O at 3400 rpm

[rustic onyx]

IDK TBH, but those Delta fans are designed for Airflow more than Static Pressure.

[glacial spindle]

the arctic fans that come with LF2 are rated 2.2mmH2O static pressure

[rustic onyx]

Yeah, but do you want your PC sounding like a Jet Engine all the time?

[glacial spindle]

so I've nearly increased static pressure 5x & doubled cfm

[rustic onyx]

Yes, but you've also increased noise by about 1000000%

[glacial spindle]

lol no that's why I removed the 5500 120x38mm fan I had on there

[rustic onyx]

And those Delta fans probably eat power.

[glacial spindle]

not terribly, they're 1 amp each

so I do have to dedicate an entire fan header to each

but luckily my Aorus board allows 2amps per header

The 5500rpm 230cfm space shuttle fan needed 2.1 amps or something like that so I had to get a PWM splitter & molex adapters for that thing

stupid loud

the Deltas aren't as bad as you'd think or maybe because the 5500 was so much louder I don't mind them. They're 46.5dB at full throttle

[rustic onyx]

What size are they?

I'm curious TBH

[glacial spindle]

120x25mm

[rustic onyx]

Are they PWM?

[glacial spindle]

yes

[rustic onyx]

Oooh.

I wonder...

[shrewd juniper]

But i mean the p12s on thd lfii are already pretty damm good

[rustic onyx]

Can you link me those deltas?

[glacial spindle]

fan curve is set so I don't really hear them until they start blasting when CPU exceeds 65mm

https://www.amazon.com/Delta-Electronics-AFC1212D-120x120x25mm-connector/dp/B004YELGR4

[rustic onyx]

I might replace the fan on my Mugen 5 with one.

Oh...

They are Out of Stock...

[glacial spindle]

oh crap let me check again

https://www.newegg.com/delta-electronics-afc1212d-pwm-case-fan/p/N82E16835706036?Description=afc1212d-pwm&cm_re=afc1212d-pwm-_-35-706-036-_-Product&quicklink=true

[low pumice]

Weird seller

[glacial spindle]

That Corn Electronics sent me a version with a black center when I ordered from them the first time

had to bicker with them

the other seller on newegg is charging outrageous $41

[low pumice]

"Sold and Shipped by JIADD Marketplace"

[glacial spindle]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284038947293?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item42220a61dd:g:m24AAOSwIU1ff30H&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSwcmzw5CLtzTE60FqHcnq2Cv%252F4W%252FHtCIITZAbiKUJirUEs3sOEL%252F94z%252FasyxPvhs%252FFm5rQnJvNcuwFX6113TxC%252Fi6nZ1g2IbVw5DfUeNb8ej6myhmb5yw%252BTvaXzbwrsncZUDSrX8f9aBPjeiQ9C8x1WeS5HUYQno%252BtEZEiTw%252FMI0ECjbmTeQuX1%252BqCmlKxIg0DwBwf0JfmIw7AMMAb4tppSJncdNIRgjsV7wz%252BU6yhiflVeHFXdODB8ePUXtxeoNVIR%252BksY8%252BinTwssyKr3OvJM9ETPbprO5FjuREAeqh323FK23lb1NxCt%252B%252BLNYPRBvyy0f26mJWapmoj84FwMYGO8rkTy4C7aTslztQz3pcyYTsE6IniJ1p5uTP7oLPJhAsntEzc2RV%252BDRD4u0zeOV5Yw%252Fr%252FaqMRvc89qS6hm0vkoU%252FR33%252FU42Ak2XUyHjj%252B8btI0yTCP%252FiLly%252FsTnfjb4VnAPhSRdwh4MfmVY6gWTtT%252B6qcPRj40ONXYWBCerluAj4PWP7Pcv7WvrsMElYZ8eRLmHyFLBO2FXX3NXFRyxUJ4a4sKoPgvU5ptnTiWLRfR7DNPcAMctlWP55CH%252FQLsnJkiPhbDefPOcgHi8UD6VQTrge7HKFOZwz6CsrS8TPsgRJPPDesrRUim0StG9%252BYxt5Eb11HLbD3chRFFjngx5e9PHmXa3z8mh71t0EmyDlkECfHFTHhRBqk%252FaT4VksxsBYr%252FyyeXUSGRUSQISW%252BONPc7OAcCpIo1z5O3NKVPljQ9bkngcm5Xt5qFUqmulPG2z%252FJ08Ld1En3sfByhu8Dv2rNs1Z%252Far%252FJYJ3759DzVFlgAmV|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524

wow that's a url whoa

ebay seller has them for $22 each

but takes offers & price reduced if you buy more than one

[low pumice]

Just ebay things

[rustic onyx]

Well, I don't need more than 1 TBH

[glacial spindle]

the listing just says AFC1212D (not PWM) but the picture shows 4 wire

[low pumice]

Gonna assume the listing is correct and they just ripped the picture off a different site

[rustic onyx]

lol

If anything I'd buy it from Corn Electronics on Newegg

[glacial spindle]

The afB1212H is similar but only 82cfm

[rustic onyx]

$14.24 for a killer fan with high static pressure?

[glacial spindle]

probably becaquse they max at 2500 rpm instead of 3400

[rustic onyx]

That's 👌

[glacial spindle]

and they're 3-wire tho

max dB is 38.5

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284043514368?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D667e28e79bb246528ff4d8802af4f665%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D284038947293%26itm%3D284043514368%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWeb%26brand%3DDelta&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum%3A284043514368667e28e79bb246528ff4d8802af4f665|enc%3AAQAGAAACAFpE8bQRPlXnJ0KHVgRyNBnGwTAhRQkz8lnPDhBbip6wXBPpwPOKfTbA7mNZAiKlA9T9mNQrX7QXxTIJJc1wOkm8f%252BPuLW0QVHmQfh7WmVuOmuxOSmXCqyeEH8S2moAKzdHZ3dDtR%252F9dnilq9a6jU4ku2Q%252F2VjO%252FM5ZCBT03YzLkXleAOt5rwhtBzaXH9NjbIlk2E%252BQv4YEkViptZacMoXWpj0g6GgxQzFzG0eiJOGS6sQPeQjOeMAjR7vE574RHxvDdBAUbll3r1mfLevAGK81cLu8PPyyU6XaJJpkS2JOqvU3xU2z7CPeJPw%252B1aikrVTyoGkFu4X7xZinJ6gTKL3ADp8ZfozVt1p8dRAYtMOi3OyeKKT59r2AxPtD6StFAy4XJ7WYpqU9oonjxFaTOP1wswBLuvt%252BB9fs2wrbkvOui1ION4wQpWgmjy29EOb49EpNfu8%252FnJ%252FTwD7RPB0Mhc8dJz0a1x014gnkCVoXJdmsUu8WiVjTsH1hA5bFXFUeFMRprUpMF794T7hsXBE6BYGPCDX3vbFukO2MUg6Rq4qYW2I9fmhYOW3yBMWu5ge2SXHULlMFf6tj69PoHybfMSB9fX9p4xXi%252Fl5wapyNkWlNaf1I3rSZc0%252FgKkIstgiL%252BC4wADDHWRGFrBcYyDGeb4xmdjk8ihNo2up8uPuKhJAnc|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675&epid=1039286693

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284038913893?_trkparms=aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D233707%26meid%3D22247fe763d3472eb87b033b432d5c17%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D284038947293%26itm%3D284038913893%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DPromotedSellersOtherItemsV2WithMLRv3%26brand%3DDelta&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A28403891389322247fe763d3472eb87b033b432d5c17|enc%3AAQAGAAACEJjXAkHqMxRKtk8uJmiC3YfQ%252BgmHqsSnRCWrrFSth4gVBZ%252B8NysGFJFRyHgHo6xqkX2Dh98fJoTosMJEqH2JA%252Fm2m7HoqdPOmE8bl66m16ZKLxZYfVws6CiZG7n48t6LZ54qDvdI%252FxC4%252F3CAVik0eHhPIeZ8ZY8yvmW9%252Bqmgyx%252B0Gh7eRCCUG9ALjB%252Fzq2L%252BfmZibmtTqFqDAO%252FYzA%252BhTTSY2n3kRAdCzMCOFNAImlLlKYOoVmv7ftqVw4s1l%252B%252BXiimm0cKNxhB6%252BabRUe4cEJl6MY2xm4TbjAj8kcKw9xs78%252FAoIOpeRUhrKLjL86hhTW3ZuurGhhT5v6aU6NLpAzOSZ7fW5aw4OfryxWR7w9MlXhG2z6hudwj3PNJyPJMSGeii1FvJkSQXGO8jRahY2H3gbEcrJ89y6BJoS%252FyluUnRON1sqfH%252FLspXwHGewFbxtXXzxuFXRjYFN%252FE6hhJqSt77y8MVTSmXXZ79s6nSlRI72pNDPHE6PYnTzL3g3TA1E2UaNsGKKBuwS2yFxdNsDbauLNQCQk5XYqaT9AhBnZJ7q0Md1Mt3kL%252BnyZReuULvz3LlV16aoB1l2Qtei0tN4klDSrqtxxePoSEIfAh3IEbfb0mOkr1%252FDmfd985nJ4OR%252FOO%252BN1GufX%252B4yOphoYvZTvy4mLUiEROkfljJ%252Fg%252BUuTWsgu%252B8guK%252FCQSoVuWuyyGwYQ%253D%253D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675&epid=5027750018

these URLs are insane sorry

[low pumice]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284038947293

[low pumice]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284043514368

[low pumice]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284038913893

there

[glacial spindle]

That one maxes 150cfm & 12.43mmH2O at 4k rpm but you jump to 60.4dB - 3wire not PWM

[low pumice]

anyways, delta fans can be fun

60db is going to hurt

[glacial spindle]

Thank you for making my URLs less horrible haha

[shrewd juniper]

Holy link

[glacial spindle]

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y84W6J7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

that's the 5500rpm I used for about a month before I hated it enough to change it

58db but I think they lying

[low pumice]

80db+ is where it's mandated for employers to provide ear protection in the EU for reference

if it's a good bit above 60db, gonna hurt

[glacial spindle]

it was awful

people couldn't talk to me during CB runs

[topaz blaze]

Need help on installing my liquid cooler 1st time

[cinder falcon]

What do you need help with?

[cinder falcon]

Which cooler?

[topaz blaze]

Kraken x52

Rgb

And I need help with wiring

Idk wtf Im doing

[cinder falcon]

Remind me, what wiring does it come with?

[topaz blaze]

Uhhhh

Lots

[cinder falcon]

Been a while since I installed one.

[topaz blaze]

First time at this

[cinder falcon]

Well, one of the wires for sure is the CPU header.

Can you identify that one?

[topaz blaze]

Not..really no

[cinder falcon]

Take a picture of the wires.

[topaz blaze]

Ok

[cinder falcon]

And put them like in a line.

So I can tell you what goes where.

If you get what I mean

[topaz blaze]

Ye

[mint spire]

is an ml240l v2 enough for a 10900k?

highest temp ive seen was 90 c while running an occt scan

[marsh badge]

ehh, not really

it's a meh aio

it's not enough

[leaden hollow]

For an I9, go for a 360 AIO since they get awfully hot

[marsh badge]

240mm is fine if it's a good one, but 360 recommended

[hazy birch]

Hello everyone! I had a quick question. I'm building my PC for the first time by myself (my last build I watched a friend build it for me so this is pretty exciting/scary).

I am going to be using the Noctua NH D15s which appears to come with pre-applied thermal paste (maybe?). Would you all recommend just 1) Running with that thermal paste already pre-applied it's good to go 2) Clean it off and add my own paste or 3) (the one I think is least likely) add a bit more thermal paste.

Thanks for the help! 😄

[sacred wren]

Definitely not the third, out of the other two I'm not sure

[hazy birch]

If I were to go with cleaning and applying new thermal paste, which paste would you recommend? 🙂

[sacred wren]

Idk if it really matters that much

I used thermal paste that came with my heatsink

[hazy birch]

Okay super! Thanks 🙂

[rustic onyx]

I wouldn't use an NH-D15.

It's overpriced and like, gigantic.

A Scythe Fuma 2 cools almost as well, is like 30 dollars cheaper, and is significantly smaller.

[knotty sparrow]

Agreed
By the time you're looking at nh d15 you might as well get liquid freezer ii 240

[rustic onyx]

And, depending on what you are cooling, you may not even need that much cooling potential.

[cinder falcon]

*me with my 3 empty NH-D15 boxes.

[rustic onyx]

Conversely, if the room is warm, you might want a beefier cooler, even if your CPU doesn't traditionally draw a lot of power or make a lot of heat.

[glacial spindle]

haha nice

[hazy birch]

Too late 😆

[low pumice]

@hazy birch pretty sure it doesn't have preapplied paste, d15 just comes with a tube and none preapplied

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah afaik noctua don't pre apply but they make good paste so I'd just use the tube they give

[wispy mist]

Anyone know anything about the thermalright pa120?

Or actually

Anything about thermalright overall?

Their stuff looks good, but it’s priced so low it makes me skeptical

They have a dual tower cooler for like $40

[covert apex]

Thermalright ain't bad, they were a high end cooler company

[wispy mist]

Should I go for the pa120 then?

I might just pull the trigger and see how it goes

[covert apex]

There has not been any testing done on it but it looks pretty good, what CPU do you have?

[wispy mist]

5600x

[shrewd juniper]

I'd go with an id cooling se 224xt or optimally, a scythe fuma 2 instead

[covert apex]

I would suggest doing what Pato said since we don't really know how well it does

I was gonna buy one at some point and see how well it does

[wispy mist]

A friend of mine offered me a arctic 34 duo for the same price. Would that perform about the same as the 225xt?

Actually a better question is how does the 34 dou compare to other options overall? Like the fuma 2

[hazy birch]

Thank you! 🙏

[proven vale]

So while mining I get 70-75c with fans on 80% what should I do?

[sacred wren]

@shrewd juniper or @marsh badge

I said it's much too high, but others in the discord this guy came from were saying otherwise

[proven vale]

Ye

[sacred wren]

I had them set oc settings so dw about that

[sacred wren]

Oh also, how many watts are you using?

[proven vale]

I turned it off so I don’t remember but before it was 120

[sacred wren]

Ok, try turning it down another 10 and see how many it uses

You want it to be somewhere around 100 according to some miners on Google

[proven vale]

10 for ?

[sacred wren]

Power limit, sorry

[proven vale]

Oh idk how to change that

It’s weird

[sacred wren]

I thought you turned it down alr?

[proven vale]

Says +0

Im not sure how

[sacred wren]

Try moving the slider down and see what it does

[proven vale]

-1?

[sacred wren]

A bit more, try -10

And then see what wattage you're using in cli

[proven vale]

Makes the temp limit 80

[marsh badge]

Which gpu?

[proven vale]

So imma wait a bit but 69c and 110 watts

[proven vale]

Rx570

[sacred wren]

8gb

[marsh badge]

I wouldn't worry much

That's fine, but could be lower

[sacred wren]

Wouldn't long term damage it?

[marsh badge]

Nope

[proven vale]

It’s at 72c and 112 w

[sacred wren]

Pato told me even 65 was pretty high

[marsh badge]

GDDR5 doesn't get that hot

[sacred wren]

I thought it was 5x?

[marsh badge]

nah

[sacred wren]

Still, try turning the power limit down a bit more for better efficiency

[proven vale]

Would I get less salad?

[sacred wren]

Yes, but you also pay less for energy

(You use less)

[proven vale]

Turned down another 5 and got 105 -107 w

[sacred wren]

Close enough

[proven vale]

73 c with fans at 68

[sacred wren]

If you want to play around for best efficiency you can

[proven vale]

Ok

[marsh badge]

yeah 570 is gddr5

gddr5x is only on nvidia stuff afaik

like 1080 and above

[sacred wren]

Oh didn't know that

I dont know a ton about rx cards, but figured because of when it was made it'd be 5x

[marsh badge]

sometimes a 1070 could have gddr5x, one of the rare versions

yeah no rx series cards were made with gddr5x

[sacred wren]

My old 1030 had gddr5 lol

[marsh badge]

they're all g5

[shrewd juniper]

Well the arctic 34 duo is 40$ vs the se 224xt basic being 25$ and the black/white(longer lifespan fan) are 30$ , the 34 duo is okay but it's basically a 212 black in performance and that's not great, the fuma 2 would kick their asses, just the fuma 2 is 60$ instead

[wispy mist]

Yeah I just figured it was something to consider because a friend offered it to me for like $25-30

I think I’ll end up getting the fuma 2

[unique lily]

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[marsh badge]

yay, bots

[rustic onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaOtSLIZgqY Well, let's see if this is actually true or not.

[shrewd juniper]

How much is the mugen black ?

[rustic onyx]

$60 USD

[shrewd juniper]

Hmm

That's fuma 2 price tho

[rustic onyx]

Looks like at 36dba the Mugen 5 Black and Fuma 2 are identical.

For a 120w system

So, it looks like the Fan on the Black Edition is actually helping quite a lot. Looks like you could viably run a high static pressure high RPM fan and get better results out of the Mugen 5.

Something... Something is fishy here with HWC's numbers...

The Mugen 5 Black AND Mugen 5 Rev B BEAT the Fuma 2 on a 10980XE at 260w at 36dba noise normalized.

That's... That shouldn't be possible.

[shrewd juniper]

Hmm

That doesn't sound right

[rustic onyx]

Yeah.

I want a Gamer's Nexus suite of tests before I can say that the Mugen 5 Black Edition is worth buying.

[rugged prawn]

looking to add some fans to my pre built, am i able to?

[low pumice]

Depends on the case

[sacred wren]

It's an acer orion mesh, only has 2 fans rn

I wasn't sure on the mobo connectors

[low pumice]

Could prob get splitters

[sacred wren]

Yeah I know they exist

[low pumice]

Or sata powered hubs if you want fancy

[sacred wren]

But I wasn't sure if they can get pwm fans or jot

Not

[low pumice]

Na-fc1 can go brrt

Even if it's not pwm, dc control ain't that bad

[sacred wren]

Also I didn't know acer oem cards exist

They have an oem 3060 ti

Runs pretty hot, which is why were here now

[rugged prawn]

Yup

The exact case model i can't get rn becuz the website selling it is undergoing maint

[low pumice]

Look inside the case

Look for fan mounting spots

[rugged prawn]

it's in a pretty awkward spot rn so i'd have to unplug everything to get it out

But I've been meaning to get it moved anyway so I'll get back to you

[low pumice]

Unplug everything to get it out...?

Can't just take off the side panel...?

[rugged prawn]

It's sitting in like a shelf thing can't really open the panel

and the shelf is probably raising the temp slightly

[rugged prawn]

I don’t think there’s anymore room for fans, this is a very compact pc

[knotty sparrow]

In which case you can replace the stock fans with Arctic P12 with better pressure, unless the stock fans are already good (unlikely)

[rugged prawn]

Everything is just pretty tightly packed

I can’t really post a picture but due to it being prebuilt some of the wires are very inaccessible

[sacred wren]

Do you still have it open?

[rugged prawn]

Ye

[sacred wren]

Take a picture if the cpu fan

And the gpu

Just so I can double check if it's an oem, and to see if you should replace the cpu fan

[rugged prawn]

I’m not big enough level to post here I’ll just dm

[sacred wren]

That's fine

[rustic onyx]

Just buy a box fan, leave the side panel open, and turn it on High with it right next to the fan.

Infinite Airflow big brain strats.

[knotty sparrow]

Doesn't even need to be on high tbh, low works fine

[latent trench]

What is a good cpu cooler for 5600x

[low pumice]

@latent trench what budget

[shrewd juniper]

Ideally something like a sycthe fuma 2 /arctic liquid ii 280mm/360mm or ek rgb 360 or lian li galahad 360mm

[latent trench]

Around 70-100$ cad

[low pumice]

Mugen 5 black edition works

[shrewd juniper]

is that in canada tho?

[rustic onyx]

Idk

I'd get a Fuma 2. Mugen 5 Black is, very new compared to Fuma 2.

[shrewd juniper]

Fuma 2 ain't available in canadia either

[rustic onyx]

Anything is available if you just use a forwarding service

🧠

[shrewd juniper]

Import tax tho

Spensive

At that point just get a liquid freezer 360 lol

[low pumice]

it was 80cad when I looked at it

oh boy didn't see the shipping costs
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B08X4HX858

oh well

[shrewd juniper]

Welp

[stiff crypt]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qX6BD3/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc14pe

[covert apex]

https://www.fractal-design.com/color-coordinated-cooling-with-lumen/

New Fractal Design AIOs look cool

[shrewd juniper]

Loooks nice

[covert apex]

https://www.eteknix.com/fractal-lumen-s24-rgb-aio-liquid-cooler-review/6/

[marsh badge]

yeah

that looks pleasing

[covert apex]

Pump in rad

[marsh badge]

no wonder the block is small

[covert apex]

Nor crazy expensive either

$110 for the Lumen S24 RGB

[marsh badge]

nice performance and price

[covert apex]

I bought a 3 pack of the Aspect fans and they look pretty nice but the RGB does not look the best

[marsh badge]

acoustics too

i love this aio already

[covert apex]

I currently have a S24+ Prisma but I really like the looks of this one

https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cooling/148257-fractal-design-lumen-s28-rgb/?page=3

Some more testing

[shrewd juniper]

Hmm this testing looks a bit odd, asus rog 360mm being almost as good as liq freezer 420mm

[rustic onyx]

Oooh, does that mean the whole "Radiator position matters" thing is out the door for this series?

[covert apex]

Correct, I do believe so

[rustic onyx]

Oooh, With-or-Without RGB

OK

Fractal.

We need to have a chat.

Because using the old-AF AM3 mounting solution is...

NOT what you should be doing

For the AMD platform people.

🖕

Screw all AIO makers who don't use AM4 mounting

Stop using the crappy-AF AM3 mount that forces people to keep their AM3 mounting brackets for LITERALLY NO REASON

[covert apex]

I really hate that also

They feel flimsy also

[rustic onyx]

I literally threw my AM3 mounts in the TRASH

Because that's where they BELONG

Looks like I'm skipping the Lumen series, or going Intel for my next build.

And, when I do my next build, It's likely going to be in the torrent

Also, wtf Fractal. You release the Torrent, yet don't release a 2x180mm Radiator AIO to go with it?

Or a 4x120mm?

(The torrent supports front 480 rad)

[covert apex]

Then they would have had to make 180mm Aspect fans also

[rustic onyx]

And? They are already making 180mm fans for the Torrent

Might as well go all out.

Also, what ancient era do we live in where the Pump is not PWM controlled

[proven vale]

I’ve never seen someone so mad in a pc chat

[rustic onyx]

This AIO is garbage.

It might as well have a Molex connector to power the pump

[rose isle]

https://internal.fractal-design.com/support/solutions/articles/4000175681-important-message-replacement-of-fan-hubs-in-torrent-case-series-08-27-

How to properly handle a faulty product issue. Contrast this with recent Gigabyte, Asus, MSI and NZXT actions.

[low pumice]

I know the gigabyte and nzxt things, but what did Asus and MSI do recently?

But good for fractal

[rose isle]

Asus released a gpu that had a cooler that was attached to the PCB with hopes and dreams (I think it was a 2060), and the card ran super hot and super loud. Hardware Unboxed did a whole series of videos on it.

[low pumice]

Oh standard bad card things, kinda old tho

[rose isle]

MSI and their first series of X570 boards that might as well have not had VRM heatsinks

[low pumice]

Yea that's moreorless old news now

[rose isle]

yeah, but they denied they had an issue and then tried providing weak "fixes"

[low pumice]

Like ASRock z490 VRMs completely sucked and no one really talks about it

Throttling a stock 10900k

Just bad product things

[rose isle]

ITs not so much if its a bad product, as the way they handle it that matters

[low pumice]

Meh, it's just interpretation things, they have a bad product and are too lazy to fix it, not literally blowing up or lighting on fire

Good for fractal tho

[rose isle]

Yeah, great for fractal.

[low pumice]

Tho tbh the statement doesn't seem that different than the actions nzxt took at first for the h1, hopefully they actually fix it and send a new product back, not just jerryrig a fix

[languid gale]

I’m tempted to put together an Intel rig just to use this AIO

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-liquid-cooling-system-masterliquid-ml360-sub-zero/p/N82E16835103310?item=N82E16835103310&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-liquid+%2F+water+cooling-_-N82E16835103310&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI1PisyIPS8gIViNzICh22BwAgEAQYAyABEgLbu_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[rustic onyx]

Does the top of the block have a Peltier or something?

Ah, it DOES have a Peltier on top of the block.

[languid gale]

Nevermind it ain’t as good as I expected it to be, it seems to not really be that good when on an overclocked CPU

[rustic onyx]

Yeah, because Peltier units suck.

It's basically a Peltier with a Liquid Cooler instead of a simple Air Cooler.

[languid gale]

What’s a peltier unit?

[rustic onyx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX2NQ1lq4ZM

[languid gale]

I’m looking more into that AIO and cooling performance is about on par with a H115i under multithreaded loads

[rustic onyx]

I mean, the AIO is using the concepts from this video.

[languid gale]

Back to the drawing board to find an excuse to build an Intel rig

[rustic onyx]

To buy a 10900K to swap out your 3700X?

[languid gale]

Nah I’m going for a 5800x or a 5900x

I don’t want to swap out my mobo

Probably going to do a a mini itx with a 12th gen cpu for college

[dreamy jolt]

I want to control the speed of my case fans from my desktop. I know i can control them from my BIOS as i managed it the other day. The mobo is an asrock z370 pro4.
Is there any suitable software out there i can use for controlling my case fans at all?

[shrewd juniper]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z370 Pro4/index.asp#Download

Probs their app thing and something else here

[dreamy jolt]

Oh ha didnt even reliase they had one

oops

[magic sparrow]

Fan Control, pretty nice fan controlling software

[dreamy jolt]

Got a linkie?

[magic sparrow]

https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

[dreamy jolt]

Thankssss

[leaden hollow]

bye bot

[waxen vault]

what is a good cooling pad for my laptop

[marsh badge]

I suggest those coolermaster ones that has adjustable fans

[shrewd juniper]

I just recommend a regular laptop stand like this

Better for your posture as well

[marsh badge]

that'd only work if you're using external keeb

[shrewd juniper]

Yes

But using a laptop so far down is terrible for your back

As a person with back issues, trust me

[marsh badge]

My desk is higher than my sitting position

So I don't have much issues

[shrewd juniper]

That's fair enough, I'm 6ft and only have a regular sized desk soo

[marsh badge]

Yeah, I can see why it's useful

[cold gorge]

I have a h100i and i was wondering what i should have the pump at for performance should i put it to max

[unique lily]

najmi27#7531 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

najmi27#7531 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[tulip matrix]

Probably for best cooling for it to run better

[topaz blaze]

Hey I had a question if someone could help me

[tulip matrix]

Ask away

[wispy mist]

I have a NZXT kraken 63 that is running way hotter than I think it should be

78 degrees under load is barely any cooler than my old hyper 212 was

I have a 5600x that is not even really overclocked other than the auto OC in ryzen master

It should not be running this hot at all

[sacred wren]

5000 series gets extremely hot

Did someone tell you those Temps aren't normal?

[marsh badge]

^

5600X runs that hot naturally

Cause PBO

Or even without PBO tbh

[wispy mist]

But is it normal that a 280mm AIO is not any cooler than a hyper 212?

Its hitting up to 80 under load, and my hyper 212 hit up to 81

[sacred wren]

Honestly as long as you stay under 90 it's fine

My 3600 sits at around 75 with id cooling se-224xt, and with how hot 5000 series is that seems about par

Check this out https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/jth1cy/watercooled_ryzen_5_5600x_is_running_at_74/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

So yeah I guess yours is running a bit hotter

[marsh badge]

It's an nzxt aio too

[sacred wren]

But it also depends on your case airflow

[marsh badge]

So that seems normal lel

Running a 212 on the 5600X will surely make it hit 90c in no time

[sacred wren]

I dont know much about aios lol

[marsh badge]

You can test and see it for yourself

[wispy mist]

except it didnt

It never went past 81 under full load

[marsh badge]

Eh, it's boosting more with aio

[wispy mist]

nope

Same speeds

[marsh badge]

Hence temps are similar

Hmn, yeah something is a bit off

But then again it's just an nzxt aio, that's to be expected

It's fine

[wispy mist]

waitt wait

[unique lily]

RyanO8#7241 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wispy mist]

What the frick

[sacred wren]

What

[wispy mist]

All I did was run the test with ryzen master open, and temps are like 5 degrees cooler

I dont know how the makes sense

[sacred wren]

Odd

[wispy mist]

Ok

So I think what was happening is my motherboard was doing some dumb auto enhance bs

[sacred wren]

Pbo?

[wispy mist]

possibly

Yep

Yeah PBO

but why is that the PBO applied through ryzen master vs the one in BIOS changed how it works?

And why does it still turbo to almost the same clock with and without PBO?

idk, something still seems off to me

[sacred wren]

I'm not completely sure

Smthn about some mobos or smthn? Maybe 5000 series? I forget why

[wispy mist]

I did have a super slight overvolt offset set up, but I dont think that would effect things that much

I just un-did that

let me test

[topaz blaze]

Whenever I turn my pc on, my 3060’s fans go up to 100% and I know that’s supposed to happen. Then I play my game for a bit and close and everything while I go to do something. However the fans are still at 100% and my temp is over 70 degrees. I have 3 case fans and they are all running at full as well. My 3700x is at 60 on idle

I didn’t know if the problem with my 3060 is a drivers problem or some other type of heating/temperature problem

[wispy mist]

Found the problem!

My bios version was not allowing pbo to work properly

[restive gulch]

are aio fans out or in?

like the way of the wind i mean

[timid carbon]

Depends

[stiff flare]

can my gpu keep my cpu so cool that my cpu aio and other 2 fans connected to it dont spin?
like the water pump is going but no fan

cpu and chassis and w_pump all say 30c after i stressed single, multicore, and brawll
gpu with the game got to 45

[timid carbon]

wot

[marsh badge]

the aio fans has to spin, how else will the rad get air? lmao

if you stop em it gets hot

also gpu can't help keeping cpu cool

it doesn't do that

it takes cold air in and expels heat, it needs to cool itself down too

[knotty sparrow]

If the case has enough positive pressure then it could force some air through the rad, but it's more likely the stress test wasn't stressful enough.
Prime95 is best for heat load testing.

[wispy mist]

So after a ton of tinkering with PBO, and updating my bios so the auto one doesn’t suck, it now boosts even past what it did before and stays at 69-72 under full load.

So it turns out my AIO is not bad or broken

My BIOS was just really sucking at pbo for some reason

[stiff flare]

asrock is dummy

i got it figured

they put glue on the rgb

and the addressable was hiding under aio sheild

*pump/chassis

26

[stiff flare]

well

26 gave me sparks

this all worked well 10 days ago

🙂

[timid carbon]

sparks?!

[marsh badge]

sparks

oh god

[stiff flare]

yeup

taking a break

new aio

[cinder falcon]

Rip.

[stiff flare]

new fanns

new controller

and to fill the front later

aves me some money

from new board

[cinder falcon]

That’s such a random cart lmfao. Cooler, phone, Alexa.

[stiff flare]

Current phone case doesn't really go with my desired color plan and the Amazon was on sale from $80 to 40 bucks and I plan on getting a smart TV and I hope that Roku support Amazon so yeah

Found some more apps for my video card so hoping to downgrade and get some pocket money just so I have a cushion in my bank account as well

[stiff flare]

We are currently living with two dollars in the bank account

Push comes to shove all deliver some food today

[cinder falcon]

I feel that. :’)

I’m currently on hyper save mode.

Trying to save as much money as I can.

So I can splurge it like usual.

[glacial spindle]

so serious question

do you think this could blow my 16mm OD PETG pipes out of their connectors?

[magic lark]

I bought a gigabyte g5 kc and I'm wondering if there is a way to replace the fans on it with quieter ones cause it gets really loud under load

[marsh badge]

Nope

[sleek fox]

anyone here who built a b@lls to the wall rig in a Corsair 1000D yet?

I plan on doing one myself, and I saw the radiator placement, and can't help but wonder how I can do push-pull on all 3 rads

[shrewd juniper]

Do you mean 7000d?

[sleek fox]

no

the 1000D

The big chungus

Corsair has 2 quad 120 rads and a triple 140 rad with push-pull

what thickness radiator and fans would that take?

[marsh badge]

oh the obsidian 1000D

[sleek fox]

yeah

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh the obsidian 1000d is outdated

I'd just grab a 7000d airflow

Pretty similar dimensions afaik

[sleek fox]

Uhm

That can't really be further from the truth

Since when can the 7000D airflow fit 2 systems again?

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh I'm mistaken

Why the hell would you need 2 rads sife by side

Ohh its the dual chamber one

But why

[sleek fox]

Because 3090+16c Ryzen on water

[shrewd juniper]

You can do that extremely comfortably with the 3 rads you can fit in the 7000d airflow but aight

[sleek fox]

I also happen to like how it looks

and frankly I hate the 7000D

I find it ugly

[shrewd juniper]

To each their own i guess

[magic lark]

Should I be worried if both my CPU and GPU are sitting at 86° when playing a game?

GPU is only at 5% usage btw

[shrewd juniper]

It's a bit high

What cpu, gpu, and what cpu cooler do you have?

As well as the case?

[magic lark]

Sorry it's on a laptop gigabyte g5 kc

Rtx 3060 and a i5-10500h 2.5ghz

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh laptop

Sounds like a laptop

[magic lark]

Do I have anything to worry about? I have it set to silent mode cause otherwise it sounds like a hair dryer lol

Unsure if I should of a got a legion 5 with the rtx 3060 and Ryzen 5800h cause I heard it had better cooling

[knotty sparrow]

Have you seen the new fractal torrent? Slap a thicc 540mm rad on the front and a 420mm on the bottom

[shrewd juniper]

Nah that's just laptops for you

[sleek fox]

I did see it, but I don't really like it
It could be great, sure
But the aesthetic is a miss for me personally

[white badge]

how often do you look at your case?

[shrewd juniper]

Everytime you turn it on for starters

[sleek fox]

And basically every time I enter my room because it'll be on a table, visible

[shrewd juniper]

You must have a big table if you wanna have that massive case on it jeez

[sleek fox]

Table size of yes

[sleek fox]

To be fair it would probably do better as the legs for one side of the table

To be totally honest

[shrewd juniper]

Lol

[tired estuary]

this guy on ebay is trying to sell an intel stock cooler for 45euros

[lament sail]

Lol

My stock cooler is doing very well surprisingly for my 10400f

Never gone over 60°c when gaming for ages and I'm usually at 40°c or 50

[tired estuary]

xilence make pretty good coolers

[shrewd juniper]

60c with stock???? do you live in antartica ?

well i suppose what games you playin

[lament sail]

Wz

[lament sail]

My stock cooler is just built different

[low pumice]

I mean it's a 10400f

Not the hotest chip

[shrewd juniper]

forgot how not hot the 10400 can get

[low pumice]

stock tho

stock pl 65w

they aren't exactly gonna go no pl with a stock cooler

[shrewd juniper]

True :/

[restive agate]

do you guys reckon a NZXT Kraken z53 is a good AIO for a R5 5600x

[granite tinsel]

it would do the job and extra

i wouldnt go for something that big unless you plan on heavy overclocking

[restive agate]

at the moment i have the stock cooler installed and without overclocking i am getting to 90 degrees

[low pumice]

you can grab a fuma 2 if you want

or a freezer ii (whatever rad size fits your case)

[restive agate]

ok thank you @low pumice and @granite tinsel for the help

[rose isle]

There are better AIOs for less price on the market.

[knotty sparrow]

People don't buy the kraken because it's "good" they buy it for the screen on the block, and they're willing to spend an extra $150 for it too

[rose isle]

person asked if its a good cooler for the 5600x, so asking about perfomance. answered.

[knotty sparrow]

5600X doesn't even need a 360mm at all is my answer

[rose isle]

360? Z53 is a 240

[knotty sparrow]

Right, got it mixed up

That happens when model names don't make any logical sense

[rose isle]

110% agree

[sleek fox]

I heard a lot of bad about AIOs overall
That the pumps die fast and they absolutely need to be replaced entirely
Are these true?

[rose isle]

not entirely. if they are mounted incorrectly and the pump is starved of water, then it can wear the mechanism out.

[sleek fox]

Are they worth it though? It's more mechanical things that are hard to replace if broken, and they're not even that much more powerful than a good Noctua

[rose isle]

afaik, the 280 and 360 ones cannot be beaten for performance by air cooleing.

[lament sail]

anyone know a decent cooler for a 2600 for around 50£

its for a friend and hes using the stock rn and his temps arent the best

[sacred wren]

id cooling se-224xt is good if you have the space for it

afaik it works with most ryzen chips and it keeps my 3600 cool

[lament sail]

what temps do u average with it if u know?

[sacred wren]

a max of 75 while under full load

[lament sail]

ight

ty

[sacred wren]

and thats on the high end

normally lower

[lament sail]

ye do u oc?

[sacred wren]

thats only if im playing cold war or smth for like 3 hours

nah i havent bothered

[lament sail]

ight

ill send him the link to that cooler ty

[sacred wren]

but if hes just doing pbo it wont increase temps that much normally

[sacred wren]

ive been playing valorant for like 3hr and my cpu is at 60

[lament sail]

ah nice thats gud

[sacred wren]

i mightve remembered wrong

[sleek fox]

I mean the Noctua coolers are pretty much level with most AIOs

[supple sparrow]

true

[shrewd juniper]

Ehh what? Lol there's a good 5c difference between the d15 and arctic liquid freezer ii 280

[sleek fox]

At what price difference?

price to performance is strongly favoring aircoolers
Along with long-term reliability

[shrewd juniper]

108 for the 280mm, d15 og is 100$, d15 black is 110$

Also the liquid freezer ii has an 8 year warranty or something

[rose isle]

respectfully disagree. D15 is on par with a (shitty) 240mm aio.

[sleek fox]

wait since when are Corsair AIOs shitty?

[rose isle]

1. Thats the very old 240mm corsair AIO.
2. Compared to EK, Lian Li and Arctic, corsair is not the best

[shrewd juniper]

Since like forever

D15 is aight in noise normalised but ye

[sleek fox]

I mean Corsair is not like
Horrible, is it?

at least currently

[rose isle]

its not horrible, I dont think so, but price/performance it is not even close to the best

[sleek fox]

Raw performance?

[rose isle]

even raw perfomance

middle of the road in raw performance, but they charge like theyre the best

[shrewd juniper]

Well the top 3 are Arctic liquid ii, ek rgb, lian li galahad

[limber halo]

I want to buy a 3060 or 3060 ti. I will be using a corsair 4000D airflow case with 3 fans at front intake, one on top for exhaust, and one in the back exhaust. should I get 1, 2 or 3 fan gpu?

[shrewd juniper]

The cheapest non ventus card

Don't get a 1 fan

2 or 3

[limber halo]

kk thanks

[limber halo]

quick question, why should I avoid ventus cards?

[low pumice]

ventus is just very lacking in terms of cooling

[limber halo]

oh

ok

[queen jetty]

So how would external cooling systems work? Can you just attach them to any PC?

[knotty sparrow]

What do you mean "external cooling system", like an AC?

[queen jetty]

Idk much about computers.. I am new to this
My uncle suggested a water cooling system and I am having trouble finding one on New Egg

Though I guess they might be expensive..

I see a bunch of processors with RGB CPU coolers but can’t find the exact specifics on it

[strong berry]

like an aio?

@queen jetty is this what you mean?

this thing

[queen jetty]

Why won’t this chat let me post photos?

I am reading the description of a prebuilt computer, idk what it looks like

[knotty sparrow]

It's anti-bot, won't let you do pictures until your name turns green

[knotty sparrow]

Probably a poor translation if they call it an "external cooling system" unless they hook a car radiator up to it something

You can DM what you were trying to post to me and I'll put it up

[queen jetty]

ABS Gladiator Gaming PC - Ryzen 7 5800X - EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra Gaming 8GB - G.Skill TridentZ RGB 16GB DDR4 3200MHz - 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD - RGB CPU Cooler

[queen jetty]

No it doesn’t say that, I found stuff about external water cooling systems when I googled water cooling computer systems

[knotty sparrow]

That's totally not worth the price

Not even with the shortage

[queen jetty]

Oof… alright

Would you have a suggestion?

[knotty sparrow]

Hmm. US?

[queen jetty]

Yes

[knotty sparrow]

K hang on I'll dig something up

[queen jetty]

Ty!!

[knotty sparrow]

Best options on Newegg right now
https://www.newegg.com/msi-aegis-rs-10ds-217us/p/N82E16883152821?quicklink=true
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali545/p/N82E16883360165?quicklink=true

Still looking for other sites

@queen jetty This is a good deal, includes a monitor and everything https://skytechgaming.com/product/blaze-3-0-intel-core-i7-11700k-nvidia-geforce-rtx-8gb-1tb-nvme-ssd-16gb-ram/

Plus keyboard, mouse, headset, and a game

[queen jetty]

What is an AIO cooler?

[low pumice]

all-in-one liquid cooler

closed loop, don't need to add water or anything

[strong berry]

thats a prebuilt right

this

excuse my extremely high and messed up brightness

[knotty sparrow]

Yes, and skytech got good overall quality review from gamers nexus

The monitor it includes is the Gigabyte G27FC 27″ curved, which is a nice one

[queen jetty]

Not needing to add water sounds good

[queen jetty]

I cannot find out any info on the monitor.. how big is it?

[knotty sparrow]

27"

It's this one https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824012014

[hazy python]

oi what fan hub should i get for 4 pwn fan

[knotty sparrow]

A-RGB controller too or no?

[hazy python]

here is the fan

[hazy python]

arctic p12 pwm

it a non rgb fan

help me :)

[knotty sparrow]

Any cheap controller will do really in that case. Or since you only have 4 fans get a couple splitters and connect to board directly.

[hazy python]

hmm

can you find me one lol

[knotty sparrow]

Do you have a preference on website?

[hazy python]

nope

but i know that i cant buy stuff on amazon or newegg

[knotty sparrow]

Oh. Why not? Not in US?

[hazy python]

im in asia lol

[knotty sparrow]

Ah even better, Aliexpress is one of my favorites for cheap parts

[hazy python]

i cant buy from ali

[raw schooner]

what can you use?

[hazy python]

wdym

[raw schooner]

what websites can you use to purchase

i live in the us so i really dont know what websites you use for hardware and stuff in asia

[hazy python]

uhh

some place

dont worry i just need the product name

if it sus then im not gonna buy it

[raw schooner]

😐

how many fans?

and you need pwm?

[hazy python]

uhh

the fan im goin to buy is the arctic p12 pwm

4 of it

[raw schooner]

okay

[knotty sparrow]

Really, just get a splitter for like $2 or any hub for like $5

Brand doesn't matter

[raw schooner]

^

this

[hazy python]

show me

[raw schooner]

then connect them to the chassis hub on your mobo

[raw schooner]

what do you want us to show you

😐

[raw schooner]

you can literally go on google and search "pwm splitter"

we told you exactly what to look for

[hazy python]

oh ok lol

[raw schooner]

😐

[hazy python]

oh found it lol

[unique lily]

Justin KQ#8843 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[limber halo]

bruh I was posting fans that i want to know if they are good

[knotty sparrow]

Just a sec I'll check em from the logs

[limber halo]

k

[knotty sparrow]

Ok, those uphere fans are the cheapest that are still somewhat decent. CF120 and MF120 aren't worth that price. I'm not familiar with those CP3, I wouldn't trust no-name brands to be good/quiet.

I recommend Arctic P12 or F12

P12 is better if you have liquid cooling in the system

[low pumice]

P12 also has rgb variant

P12 generally just kinda superior, keep on mind it came after f12, but the main advantage is the static pressure

[limber halo]

arctic p12 right?

k

[knotty sparrow]

Yep, that's our go-to usually for best price/performance level

[limber halo]

kk

this is the one right? https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-P12-PWM-PST-RGB/dp/B08Y8LZT2X/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=arctic+f12+rgb+fans&qid=1630636250&s=electronics&sr=1-5

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[limber halo]

awesome, getting 3 of em. thanks!

[knotty sparrow]

Happy to help

[limber halo]

=[]-'lop-

\][';pl.

oops

[idle tiger]

[cyan ginkgo]

Anyone know if ekwb will make an active backplate for the msi ventus 3x 3090? Or if anything else is available or compatible??

[hazy python]

rgb fan

[shrewd juniper]

I don't think so, nothing from ek or corsair i can see

[rose isle]

https://www.amazon.com/Bykski-Coverage-Backplate-Ventus-N-MS3090VES-X/dp/B08Q7RL154

byksi has one

[cyan ginkgo]

@rose isle thanks for the link but looking for somthing for the back side of the card aswell to cool the vram on the back they get very hot under load 80-100*c 😭

[shrewd juniper]

Surprised it's not hotter

[rose isle]

oof! I see on the MSI page they even advertise that the stock backplate has heatpipes to keep it cool. I think only EK has active back plates, but you might find that a standard water block will help with temps

[shrewd juniper]

You might have to pull a fal'cie and wack lots of metal and fans on the back

[rose isle]

you could also trade your 3090 for my 3070. My 3070 doesnt have heat issues, problem solved

[marsh badge]

no stock kek

[sleek fox]

lol

[marsh topaz]

did anyone ever use TG hydronaut? i can't find a video of anyone applying it online

[timid carbon]

thats because you apply it exactly like any other thermal paste that exists

no difference

[marsh topaz]

are you sure? it's my first time repasting my gaming laptop and i don't wanna ruin it

[timid carbon]

yes i am

[shrewd juniper]

Just be careful iirc that is liquid metal and it's a good bit more electrically conductive than thermal paste

[timid carbon]

conductonaut is lm

hydronaut is paste

[shrewd juniper]

Ahhh

I haven't had my fast joos yet today

Btw rawr i can again

[timid carbon]

Oh pog!

can you do dis tho

[shrewd juniper]

Need nitro :/

[timid carbon]

nerd

[shrewd juniper]

Gib or else

[dreamy locust]

I think @shrewd juniper is a robot, he replies in every chat in just a few seconds
Sus

[shrewd juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/stab-stop-here-hold-this-stupid-gif-4893283

[timid carbon]

else what

nerd

[timid carbon]

hes just that good

[shrewd juniper]

😎

[dreamy locust]

He is a robot

💯

[shrewd juniper]

Or else this rawr

[timid carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-cybermen-dw-doctorwho-exterminate-gif-4902419

Please tell me someone got that gif reference

[dreamy locust]

[shrewd juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/forget-it-flash-men-in-black-will-smith-gif-19235596

[dreamy locust]

Who are u?
Where am I?

What happened?

[strong berry]

i can put my laptop in a freezer and it will still reach 94 degrees celcius

[timid carbon]

thats because freezers arent made to handle active sources of heat

[sacred wren]

Liquid nitrogen

Ez fix

Then it won't hit any Temps, bc it'll be dead

[strong berry]

hmm

[sacred wren]

Worth it imo

[strong berry]

hot + cold = implode

[shrewd juniper]

Worse than air and rip your freezer

[limber halo]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ6p99/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00232a or https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QpH7YJ/arctic-p12-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fan-acfan00231a ? I need 3 and if I buy them 1 by 1. I am confused lol

[shrewd juniper]

The pack is supposed to be like 38 bit are being scalped lol

[limber halo]

oooh ok that makes sense

[shrewd juniper]

Np

[zinc mesa]

Are 360 mil aios worth it?

[knotty sparrow]

Depends what you're cooling with it, and if you plan to overclock it

If it's a lower power chip like 65W TDP ones, not worth it and a good air cooler is plenty. A little higher up the bracket, 5800X and 5900X / i7 10700k, 240mm is good. Anything above that or for heavy overclocking, 360mm is good.

[zinc mesa]

3900x, what do you reccomend

[knotty sparrow]

How much are you planning on overclocking and what case do you have

If you have room for a top mount 360 you can do that so it looks more balanced and you'll have plenty of overclocking headroom

[zinc mesa]

4000d airflow, would try to push 4.3, 4.4

[knotty sparrow]

Moderate overclock then, up to you really. It can get hot but it's supposed to go past 90C no problem.

[zinc mesa]

I don't, might consider upgrading to a 5000d airflow abd 360mil rad. As of right now my 240 is handling it relativly well at 4.3 so... like 50 degrees idle with silent fan curve.

[knotty sparrow]

Idle temps aren't important, it's only full load that matters

[zinc mesa]

Not sure, and test softwares out there for free for cpu strees test?

[knotty sparrow]

You can use OCCT, prime95 would get max heat out of it but people complain it's not realistic

[zinc mesa]

Can you link it to me?

[timid carbon]

Google OOCT

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.ocbase.com/

The CPU test on this is good, memory test is ok, gpu test is limited in usefulness, mostly for testing errors

[cinder falcon]

Is memtest86+ still the best memory test?

[knotty sparrow]

No

It's still ok but not the best, TM5 is the best

[cinder falcon]

Hm, never heard of that.

Will look into it

Gross it’s windows only.

[timid carbon]

TM5 on the extreme anta config to be specific

TM5 alone is poopy

[knotty sparrow]

It's also from sketchy russian site but hey

[cinder falcon]

Lmfao.

[knotty sparrow]

It would probably work in wine

[idle tiger]

Use linpack if you want linux memory stability testing

It's a popular windows test as is

[cinder falcon]

Wine.

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah I know, PITA

[cinder falcon]

It really can be lol.

I’ll just stick to memtest. It works well enough for my uses I suppose.

[strong berry]

yes
with that i only get 1208 errors in a test

it takes ages to run tho

[timid carbon]

reinstall windows

asap

[strong berry]

why

[timid carbon]

its most probably corrupted

beyond repair

[strong berry]

but its running fine
and i did sfc in cmd and it says that it fixed stuff

[timid carbon]

yeah doesnt change a thing

[strong berry]

a

[timid carbon]

reinstall

[strong berry]

ok

[timid carbon]

sfc and dism is like fixing a gaping wound with a bandage

its fine as a temporary solution

[strong berry]

oh ok

[knotty sparrow]

Best thing to do when you're installing an os is don't have any overclock on, not even xmp for memory.

[sacred wren]

Do you know if there's a such thing as a passively cooled 1050 ti?

In a server I'm in there's a guy with a 1050 ti reaching 91c mining, and msi doesn't recognize any fan

[knotty sparrow]

It exists yes

I've also seen passive 1650 ti

[sacred wren]

Thanks, I figured

Seems kinds stupid tho lmao

[barren igloo]

can you use noctua p12 as case fans?

or would I be better off getting something else?

[shrewd juniper]

Yes but just get arctic p12s instead or go straight for a12x25s

[barren igloo]

the a12x25s is 32 dollars a fan

[shrewd juniper]

Yes, hence just get arctic p12s instead

[scenic osprey]

im looking to overclock my 5600x but idk what fans to use on the radiator. I have planned to buy the arctic liquid cooler 2 360mm plz help

[timid carbon]

the cooler comes with fans on it

just use those

[scenic osprey]

ok

what is i want rgb

[timid carbon]

get the freezer argb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/y7wypg/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-360-a-rgb-488-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00101a

[scenic osprey]

ok thank you

[timid carbon]

no problem

[glacial spindle]

can I install an EK waterblock & not put a backplate?

[low pumice]

it'll fall off

the backplate is how it secures itself @glacial spindle

[glacial spindle]

Heck

[low pumice]

it doesn't screw into the motherboard, it screws into the backplate

[glacial spindle]

How necessary or beneficial do you think the active backplate is v passive

[low pumice]

wait, we talking about GPU block or CPU block

[glacial spindle]

Gpu

For FTW3 3080ti

[low pumice]

I believe it's still the same thing

[glacial spindle]

you think it would be crazy to try & drill out the stock one to fit?

[low pumice]

It's a plate on the back, shouldn't matter too much what you do to it, it's just a metal plate

[glacial spindle]

They purposely move some screw holes so it doesn't match up but

It gets thermal pads & crap. I guess I gotta see it looks once I get it

Back plates are hard to get rn unless I order from ek direct & that adds like $25 shipping & crap. Since it's hidden on the vertical mount, I kinda don't care how it looks

[topaz blaze]

hey guys what if gpu water cooler leaked?

is there any fix to it or it gone

[glacial spindle]

Probably done if it shorted

That's why they suggest doing 24 hours of testing with only the pump energized

[topaz blaze]

shorted?

what do you mean by that

[glacial spindle]

Well when something electronic gets damaged by water it's because the water gave the electricity a path it wasn't supposed to follow

[topaz blaze]

i dont feel like there's something damage

it just getting hotter

and the pump feel kinda loose

something feel like oil and water on the loose pump

that make me think the water cooler is leaked

[glacial spindle]

Maybe get compressed air & try to dry it well? I would still let it sit for like 8 hours disconnected to fully dry

Is it continuing to leak? Can you replace the o-rings?

[knotty sparrow]

Take it apart completely and snap some close up pics, particularly things like fuses and any area the liquid touched. Fuses are easy to repair but if a short happened after the fuse there's potential damage to critical parts.
Fuses look like these

[topaz blaze]

i dont think any part of the gpu is damage

it just getting super hot

90c idle and theres some stuff feel like liquid on a pump that felt loose

[knotty sparrow]

It shouldn't be running at all until you've completely taken it apart and let it dry

[topaz blaze]

its not wet tho

i just felt like it

[knotty sparrow]

There's a chance of literal fire and explosions

Any moisture at all is bad

[topaz blaze]

what should i do?

after let it dry

[knotty sparrow]

Make sure there's no water spots anywhere on the PCB, that's a good indicator of if it got wet

[topaz blaze]

Okay

[knotty sparrow]

Then you can put it back together, and probably want to replace O-rings like ggood said

[glacial spindle]

no intake fans & only fan on 120mm AIO is pull...

[knotty sparrow]

Wait what? That's a horrible setup lol, no wonder it's overheating

[glacial spindle]

look at PSU locatoin

Stock setup: https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Shiva-Gaming-PC-Desktop/dp/B08W8815S1

PSU fan blows heat down to CPU

Side fans are config to push air out of the case

rear fan pushes air out of the case

There's nowhere for front intake

I think the best thing to do would be to put 3 fans on the bottom of the case & intake there

& move the GPU AIO to where the exhaust fan is pushing air out

[knotty sparrow]

PSUs blow air out the back so it's not blowing over the CPU, it's sucking the air

I agree that if it can do bottom fans that's probably best option without changing case

Wait there's not the 2 side fans?

[glacial spindle]

There are the two side fans but they're config as exhaust

there isn't a single intake fan in the current setup

[knotty sparrow]

Flip the side fans, that'll help

[glacial spindle]

ya that's what I was thinking

problem is they're just gonna blow straight at the glass

then some of the air might make its way over to the motherboard, etc

I say just put those two as bottom intake starting towards the back

I mean ideally have the two sides as intake & an extra 3 at the bottom as intake

I would love to see the thermals on that 5600x/3070 on amazon

Even without overclocking that probably runs really hot

[strong berry]

cool

[zinc mesa]

If you wanted to know, my cpu stayed at 67, 68 degrees fully loaded, 240 mil aio with alot of airflow works i guess

[scenic osprey]

hi which one is best h150i elite cappelix vs arctic liquid cooler 2

[timid carbon]

arctic freezer ii

[scenic osprey]

k

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic liquid ii slaps the h510i

[leaden hollow]

Yup, have been proven

[cold sable]

Lian LI galahad 360mm aio or Nzxt krakenZ73 360mm?