old-cooling

[shrewd juniper]

It looks like they were only announced a few days ago or something but there's proof anyway

[livid dew]

I searched it up and didn’t see anything but cool

Might have to snatch some when they get released

[solemn juniper]

so i just redid my fan config trying to get more even pressure for dust preventance, using corsair 200r case and arctic p12 fans. using stock cooler my r7 2700x just surfing the web, my temp is hovering in the mid to high 40s and hitting 50ish degrees. my gpu is around the same. Ill post a picture of my fan config but are these temps normal? not watching youtube or anything and i dont have many things such as game launchers and such running

[tough stone]

@livid dew yeah i was holding it while using the compressed air, thanks for letting me know still tho

[west crane]

is wraith stealth good for 6 core cpu

[solemn juniper]

all four fans are the arctic p12s

[shrewd juniper]

The ryzen stock coolers for ryzen 3/5 are decent for that but would recommend updating some time to something like a id cooling se 224xt, gammaxx 400 or vetroo v5

[shrewd juniper]

40-50 under load or idle?

[timid carbon]

no

wraith spire is ok

stealth is bad

[west crane]

ok

[knotty sparrow]

Is that your case? The temps seem fine for having 4 fans on air cooling, if you want to get it lower you'll need a new case probably, or a side panel with a fan mount for intake so you can use the other exhaust again.

[solemn juniper]

idle

yeah i had fans there previously but took them out to see how it fairs with dust because i think it was causing too much air turbulence

thinking about getting a better case and a dark rock pro 4, overkill cooler but it should do the job

[shrewd juniper]

For a 2700x a pro 4 is overkill imo

[solemn juniper]

whats a really decent air cooler in your opinion, thats not too costly, along with case fans

[knotty sparrow]

SE224, vetroo v5, gammaxx 400

[shrewd juniper]

^

They're all around 20-40$

Se 224xt is from id cooling btw

[solemn juniper]

and case fan recommendation? mine are pretty quiet but sound isn't a factor

[shrewd juniper]

Noctua a12x25s are the best but they're like 25$ per fan, bang for the buck but still really close to the noctua ones are arctic p12s

[solemn juniper]

well thats the ones i have lol is the p12s

guess im good on that end

need a diff case

[wooden goblet]

will upgrading your cooler boost performance?

[shrewd juniper]

Depends on cpu, but if you mean your 5600x, yes, I'd get a gammaxx 400, vetroo v5 or id cooling se 224 xt

[solemn juniper]

is there a chart comparing those three coolers with thermals?

[wooden goblet]

k, I thought that might be a good upgrade in the future

[solemn juniper]

i know case has a lot to do with it

[shrewd juniper]

They all cool the same

[solemn juniper]

but raw score

[shrewd juniper]

Whichever is cheapest/ you like the look of best

[quartz oxide]

Opinions on Noctua U12A as a smaller air cooler

[knotty eagle]

FOr the $100 price just get an AIO

[edgy sparrow]

So I know the fans look really nice but besides having some awesome looking rgb, are the corsair ll120 fans really worth the 130$ bucks?

[shrewd juniper]

If you don't care about rgb arctic p12s are quiter, better and way cheaper and it looks like they might come out with an rgb version for not much more

[edgy sparrow]

Ok sweet thank you!

[shrewd juniper]

👍

[tough stone]

@knotty sparrow this is weird, i havent done anything about my fan yet and so i talked about how it would spin and then slow down and make an obnoxious noise and right now it was just not working at all and now its running smoothly and only making a very slight noise

[knotty sparrow]

The noise will probably come back but at least you can enjoy it being quieter for now

[rapid peak]

how do the fans work

like is aio exhaust or intake

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on radiator position. If front, intake. If top, exhaust. Top is technically best but it doesn't matter that much.

[rapid peak]

yea im putting it on top

[shrewd juniper]

Make sure you mount the fans on the fan for exhaust them btw cuz otherwise you'll be doing intake from top if they the wrong way

[eternal flint]

And top is better for exhaust

I recommend front for intake

Yup top is better

Mount it there

[distant wigeon]

I just got my new AIO in the mail (first time using one,) it says nothing about filling it with water in the instructions or box and it doesn’t seem like it opens anywhere. Should I just assume it’s already full of water?

[shrewd juniper]

ive never heard of an aio that didnt have water in it , but it might have a refill whole

[distant wigeon]

Okay thanks

[edgy sparrow]

So I want some really nice looking fans very similar to the corsair ll120s, but.. they 130$, so I was wondering if there were any that are really nice,argb, dual ring and all that for cheaper that anyone might know about?

[sly laurel]

How much cooling am I losing by having this little overlap here

in the top right, there'sx about 25mm of the top front fan that is obstructed by the aio. I'm not sure what happens with this air

and lets say if i were to drop the top radiator and put in a push/pull configuration, would it hurt overall temps because it would drop and block about half of my top intake

[low pumice]

Eh, as long as you currently have bottom and front intake, rear and top exhaust, should be okay

[knotty sparrow]

Keep in mind the GPU blocks some of the airflow too. Not much in your case, but some.
Mr1111 is correct though, it should be fine. You can play around with it and see for yourself, but I don't expect more than a couple degrees difference max.

[livid dew]

I believe it’s similar performance to se 224 xt or scythe mugen

[knotty eagle]

Better than both of those but it's also $100 lol

$110!!!!

Holy

[shrewd juniper]

D15 better and cheaper but bad ram clearance

[knotty sparrow]

Just get liquid cooling at that price lol

[shrewd juniper]

True just get an arctic freezer

[livid dew]

U12A is usually 60, no?

[knotty eagle]

Not anymore

It's $110

[shrewd juniper]

i believe there's a u12a redux around that price tho

[low pumice]

bruh

@shrewd juniper @livid dew yall mistaking u12s and u12a

@knotty eagle and I see it as a d15 replacement, so I feel like ~90$ is fair, 100$ not an issue to me xD

110 starts to become an issue

[shrewd juniper]

Woops could remember which one they mad redux of

[livid dew]

Oh is u12a the thick one

[low pumice]

u12s is cheaper, single fan, smaller heatsink

u12a is more expensive, 2 fans, bigger heatsink

[livid dew]

Oh ok

[weary slate]

Is the U12S a decent value for it's performance?

[shrewd juniper]

No

For around 60 get a scyhte mugen or fuma

[weary slate]

Thanks

[livid dew]

Fuma is epic

[errant hawk]

Looking for a 360 aio in white is the galahad from lian li one of my cheaper options cause that and corsair are all I am seeing.

[knotty sparrow]

Galahad is a good option, yes. One of the best in the price point.

[errant hawk]

K

[pallid horizon]

for any nzxt kraken cooler owners, how easy is it to install? if it’s too complex than i might have someone professional do it lol

[knotty sparrow]

Basically the same as any other AIO. A few extra wires to worry about over air cooling but manageable

[pallid horizon]

awesome, which model do you own?

[knotty sparrow]

I don't own it myself but I've installed 2

I have a different liquid cooler on my rig

[pallid horizon]

Ah ok

Thx

[mystic walrus]

its easy.

the software is terrible tho

I personally returned mine bc of that.

[fickle ibex]

I have a ryzen 5 3600 cpu with its stock cooler im wondering if its neccessary to replace the stock cooler with a liquid cooler

[knotty eagle]

Not a liquid cooler, no

Something like a Gammax 400 or ID Cooling SSE 224 XT would be great though

[knotty eagle]

See above

[fickle ibex]

Oh okkk

[astral mica]

what cooler should i get for my intel i5 11400F

[knotty eagle]

Same as the above

Gammax 400 or ID Cooling SSE 224 XT

[astral mica]

ok thx

@knotty eagle they don't show up on pc part picker

[knotty eagle]

Hmmmm, they're both on Amazon and Newegg

[astral mica]

wait nvm they do

[solemn juniper]

Arctic MX-4 a good paste?

[magic wave]

Mhm yup

[solemn juniper]

good deal and its on sale

hopefully this will help

[weary slate]

out of curiosity are there some fan configurations that are better than others for environments with a lot of dust?

[shrewd juniper]

https://youtu.be/dLX54ounENY this will probs answer you're questions for fan orientation

[weary slate]

Thanks

[shrewd juniper]

But pretty sure balanced is best

[little skiff]

Since it's looking like I'll finally be building this month, I'll have to puzzle out how to work with my case's fan slots and the RGB fans I have.

[shrewd juniper]

Most cases come with 1 or 2, if you have a mesh front panel imo put rgb fans there and have the 2 stock ones as exhaust

[little skiff]

I bought the case + five-pack of RGB fans last year. When I originally planned to build, before the great GPU shortage put my plans on hold 'till now.

[weary slate]

I forgot how much of a mess that video was😂

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah lol

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh it it's a pack of 5 you might be able to use all but exhaust or all RGB depending on the case

[little skiff]

http://www.phanteks.com/Eclipse-P360X.html

[shrewd juniper]

Imo put 3 in front if possible then 2 top and stock fan at the back

Or if not possible then just do all rgb

[errant hawk]

does anyone know if the galahad 360 aio comes with thermal paste or do I have to get that separate?

[shrewd juniper]

It should at least come with some preapplied if not a tube but if not get some mx4 for like 5$

[knotty sparrow]

Everything should come with stock paste, and that's plenty good enough for the vast majority of people

[little skiff]

It only has two fan slots in the front, two top, one rear.

[shrewd juniper]

Then just take out all stock fans and put in all rgb

[mint spire]

whats the cheapest aio cooler

[knotty sparrow]

Nothing worth getting over a good air cooler

[mint spire]

i have a stock cooler, i just want one for the aesthetic

[little skiff]

Here's the fans I bought to reside in my case:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07XDYKC91

[knotty sparrow]

Anything is going to be better than stock cooling, but the ones we typically recommend here are the EK-AIO, Lian-Li Galahad, and the Liquid Freezer 2

They're the best in class right now in their price range

[little skiff]

I'm going back and forth whether I actually will use all five. Since I've only got five slots total in the case, I don't know if I can properly balance the intake and exhaust if I do use them all.

[knotty sparrow]

3 Intake 1 Exhaust would work

Top intake is acceptable, if it's not right next to the exhaust

[little skiff]

The only bit I regret is my case only has two fan slots in the front.

[knotty sparrow]

That's fine, 2 front in, 1 top in (slot away from exhaust), and 1 rear exhaust will keep positive pressure in the case

[little skiff]

I guess it wouldn't be a bad thing to keep one of them as a spare, along with the original case fan.

[solemn juniper]

yeah im having the same issue, i have a p400a coming on order monday and i have 5 arctic p12's

thought about using just the 5 with 1 rear and 1 top but i dont know if that'd look wonkey

but im definitely gonna want positive pressure as ill be at my fiance's apartment soon and her sis has a cat

[knotty sparrow]

2 front in with the other 3 exhaust is good if you want to use all 5

[topaz blaze]

any clean black aios that arent super expensive?

so not freezer II :/

[knotty sparrow]

EK-AIO

Lian-Li Galahad

[topaz blaze]

ooh ek basic looks nice

[boreal sphinx]

Is it good to have 3 120mm fans intake and 2 140mm and 1 120mm exhaust? I have been using this for a while and wondering if thats negative airflow and if its ok.

The 2 140mm is a 280 aio if thats matters

[topaz blaze]

i would just screw around with fan configs until you get the best results

tbh it doesnt seem THAT unbalanced

[boreal sphinx]

ok thanks will do it

[near copper]

hi

lets do this

anyone online

hey is anyone home

its me scott lang

[knotty sparrow]

Keep in mind 2 things: airflow through a radiator is harder to move, and you can adjust the intake fans to run faster to compensate for any negative pressure

[boreal sphinx]

👍

[old jacinth]

Anybody have any experience with artic p12 RGB's? I really wanna get some

(if anybody has any info, feel free to ping me. Much appreciation!)

[ebon mirage]

Do you think this is possible?
4 blocks of unifans, 1 set is on the rad, and the 2 fans that came with the aio will be on the other side of the rad for push pull. And rgb on the aio. Trying to find a way to keep rgb control on all the Unifans through the controller but use the 4 fans(2 different kinds) for the rad in a cpu monitor push/pull config.

[shrewd juniper]

They be very new to my knowledge but regulard are good

[knotty eagle]

They're pressure optimized for radiators, may not be the best for regular case fans

[magic wave]

Good for any kind of obstructive features

Mesh filters, hard drive cages, rads

Better than airflow optimized fans anyway

Small intake perhaps

[hidden copper]

Do I need a rear fan on my PC if I already have 3 120mm in the front and a 240 aio?

[low pumice]

Not necessary

[magic wave]

Is the aio on the front?

[hidden copper]

It is going to be top mounted

[magic wave]

Nice

[hidden copper]

But I should be fine without a rear fan, since my case is mesh and I’m probably won’t overclock my new pc right away, and I can check temps to see if it’s necessary right

[uneven sleet]

how much of a difference would there be if i used static pressure fans for non radiators?

[knotty eagle]

Depends on the fan

[uneven sleet]

so my current rig is a little over 4 years old and is starting to fall behind and i was originally planning on trying to do a new build this spring/summer but seeing as there are so many component shortages its looking like thats getting put on hold. I was going to build a custom loop for the next build and was thinking of replacing the stock fans in my current rig with the EK fans so i could just swap them to the new rig later

[knotty eagle]

Ahhhhh

Thatd be fine then

[uneven sleet]

if im gonna dump 100+ on fans may as well go in for the long haul

[knotty eagle]

Lol!! I did too

ML series

[uneven sleet]

yeah my current rig is decent but the cooling is the one thing i didnt really put a lot of time or money into

[knotty eagle]

Dont need it in older rigs for the most part

[uneven sleet]

unless you have a 7700k lol

https://tenor.com/view/fire-flames-burning-on-fire-gif-17475635

ty intel

[knotty eagle]

I mean 200w 10th and 11th gen too lol

Tdp is ablie

[uneven sleet]

got a 360 aio a few years back

keeping it a lot cooler

[weary slate]

Or you just have an absolutely trash case like my old one, pressure optimized fans were a must with how many obstructions were in the front of my case between the hard drive, and 3.5" cages and the just very thick foam being used as a dust filter. Gotta love old thermal take cases 🙄

[magic wave]

This HP Pavilion case has a vent with hard drive mounting holes so it just has a hard drive completely covering it lmao

Label says it's a pavilion a612x but the case is probably a generic HP design they put whatever they wanted in

Can't find any other pics of it

[old jacinth]

Thats what I have been seeing as well. I know they are quite new, only a few months old, but I trust arctic as a brand, so I believe I will be satisfied with my purchase

[weary slate]

Yea the standard P12s were rated very highly so I would imagine the rgb ones wouldn't be bad

I have an Arctic cpu cooler I'm using now in my old desktop that I'll honestly probably going to use with my 5600x also. I'm just a little nervous because I've heard the cold plate is a little small for Ryzen but I've also seen people do testing with them and say they're fine so I'll find out

[glacial sequoia]

How can I improve cooling beyond what I currently have (H115i with the rad at the front of the case, Arctic F14 at the top towards the back as an exhaust, stock case fan at the back as an exhaust, all of this in a fractal meshify C)

[weary slate]

Is there a particular component you're worried about the temperatures of?

[glacial sequoia]

GPU and CPU

[weary slate]

Hmm I'm looking at your case and I'm not super sure, what cpu/gpu do you have and how hot are they getting?

[glacial sequoia]

amd 3700x and 2080 super

[weary slate]

How hot are they getting? because I'm not super sure if there's a ton you can do, but I would think that your cooling configuration should be doing a sufficient job cooling them.

[low pumice]

Did you check if the pump is plugged into the right header?

[glacial sequoia]

its in the AIO_PUMP one

[low pumice]

good

how are temps under stress test?

[glacial sequoia]

it hit 76c for the CPU and ~60c on the GPU after about half an hour

but in games both shoot to like 80c with spikes to the low 90s

like for example that's what I hit in Apex after ~10 minutes at high settings, with spikes hitting up to 90c with medium, but with the same average temps

[low pumice]

W a t

The hell are the games doing

[weary slate]

That was kinda my reaction but I stopped replying because this is definitely outside of the realm where I can be helpful

I guess the only thing I would think would be to make sure the exhaust fans are actually exhausting but I don't know why synthetic loads wouldn't have the same problem

[glacial sequoia]

I have no idea

is there an easy way to check exhaust?

nvm i just held a piece of paper behind it

[weary slate]

while they're spinning you can hold a piece of paper in front of them and they should blow away from the fan instead of pulling towards

yup lol

[glacial sequoia]

yeah the exhausts are exhausting and the intakes are intaking

[low pumice]

you know

I bet you it's bosting behavior

just deciding not to boost when you're stress testing it

[weary slate]

ohhh that would make sense

[glacial sequoia]

hmm so do I run a test again with different settings and what would those be? Also do I need to run a seperate test for the GPU or does OCCT do them all at once?

[low pumice]

OCCT is one test at a time

not all at once

so if you select CPU test, it's just CPU test

if you select 3d test, it's only gpu test

[weary slate]

Oh so maybe that could be part of it to if in the synthetics there's only one component creating all the heat versus both with gaming

[glacial sequoia]

thats a good point

[low pumice]

well

not really

in any decent case, heat from one component doesn't impact other components that much

[glacial sequoia]

ah

[weary slate]

I figured if they're both producing a significant amount of heat it might be easier to thermal soak the air in the case. Particularly if the intake is hotter from the cpu

[glacial sequoia]

So what tests should I run and with what settings to get it to boost and what info do I need to get from it to see what's going on?

[knotty sparrow]

Cinebench is a good one for watching boost behavior

Watch the max "effective clock speed" in hwinfo

[glacial sequoia]

do i just download it from the microsoft store?

or is that limited, idk I never use the microsoft apps

[knotty sparrow]

Neither of those is an app, I'll grab links for you

Well, I guess cinebench did make an app but I wouldn't use that version

https://installer.maxon.net/cinebench/CinebenchR23.zip

https://www.hwinfo.com/files/hwi_702.exe

[glacial sequoia]

ok so where do I find effective clock speed in hwinfo

[magic wave]

Open sensors

[glacial sequoia]

Average effective clocks?

[magic wave]

It shows avg, max and min

And current

[glacial sequoia]

there's a row that says average effective clock but then the columns on it are the current min max avg

alrighty so Im about to run cinebench, do I want to do the multi core or single core?

[knotty eagle]

Multi

[glacial sequoia]

And how many passes do i need to do?

[knotty eagle]

What are you testing for?

[glacial sequoia]

Trying to figure out why games turn my pc in to a space heater

[knotty eagle]

What cpu and cooler?

[glacial sequoia]

3700x with an h115i

[knotty eagle]

3700x will pull 120+ watts if PBO is set right, can get warm yeah. Set the AIO pump speed to 100% 24/7

Don't let a curve control the pump, let the fan curve control the fans

[glacial sequoia]

Noted I'll double check my pump speed

[glacial sequoia]

anyone know how to override the iCue pump speed and set it to max 24/7

[little skiff]

I decided to just go ahead and go for one of the recommended coolers since I was ordering parts anyway. This will hopefully keep my 5600x happier than the stock cooler.
https://smile.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-SE-224-XT-Cooler-Heatpipes-Cooling/dp/B08BY9P911

[knotty eagle]

It will

If oyu want RGB tho, Vetroo V5 https://smile.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Addressable/dp/B08F21X2VP/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=vetroo+V5&qid=1618635278&sr=8-2

[little skiff]

I decided I didn't care if the CPU cooler fan was RGB. The case fans and the case are, I decided that was plenty. I even took the Ballistix RAM back down to the black non-RGB kit.

[knotty eagle]

Sounds good!

[little skiff]

And I checked the case tolerances. Looks like the heatsink will just fit with a little room to spare.

[proper sky]

https://www.newegg.com/nzxt-liquid-cooling-system-kraken-z/p/N82E16835146070?Item=N82E16835146070&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3A%2F%2Fpcpartpicker.com%2F&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-Hb0Ibo.0c1lvToFctDzuiw
almost $20 bucks off with the displayed code

oh its the Kraken z73 btw

[knotty eagle]

Holy crap that's overpriced

[proper sky]

its 100 bucks extra for the custom lcd display

[knotty eagle]

Yeah

Gross

[proper sky]

im gonna get it soon

[knotty eagle]

Just make your own screen for $50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTdniu3gn3Y&t=23s

[little skiff]

shrugs If the guy wants that AIO because he likes the aesthetic, his money to burn.

[knotty eagle]

Or offer another solution

[proper sky]

its the aesthetic that i like

[knotty eagle]

That some people might want

[little skiff]

I mean, I picked the particular mobo I did because it had the features I wanted and it was the one I didn't think was ugly.

[knotty eagle]

Ok?

[proper sky]

that fact that i can put any picture i want in the middle of the mobo is pretty good

[knotty eagle]

I don't understand why you think I'm saying it's wrong

It's just overpriced is all

That's an expensive 3" LCD screen XD

[proper sky]

well yeah you are right

[knotty eagle]

It also has middling cooling performance. I just don't see the value in it

[proper sky]

it could be better if they had some competition

but i could just replace the fans for something better right?

tech talk is too exciting for me. i need to sleep, i need to wake up in 5 hour for work. gn yall!

[knotty eagle]

GN lol

[vivid citrus]

Gamers nexus yall is a clutch sendoff

[rapid peak]

so cool

[fervent canopy]

How do you install Lian Li sl120 screws in if there's no small edges in them, it's all flat from what i'm seeing?

[topaz blaze]

Huh?

there's holes

[fervent canopy]

I've seen the holes, but when I saw the screw there's no support like it's a self-tapping screw port meaning you need to use a Drill....

I just found out

[topaz blaze]

its not self-tapping..

[shrewd juniper]

Even if it was you could just use a screwdriver

[radiant leaf]

wdym? you just slot them together and then screw from the outside of the case into the holes in the corners. i just installed a bunch in my tower

[topaz blaze]

everything is self tapping if you push it hard enough (dont do this and dont flame me this was a joke dont sue me)

[magic wave]

Yeah that knee joint replacement ought to be self tapping

[topaz blaze]

just push it so hard it infuses into the bone

[weary slate]

That works until your screw is the softer metal and you just delete the threads

[topaz blaze]

make screws out of pure diamond then

ez

[weary slate]

That would work, I mean self tapping screws never gave the nicest results but they create usable threads. If you want them to be nice you have to use a tap and die

They're just a convenience thing

[feral pivot]

Can u find me a trusted website to buy EK vardar fans. 4x

120mm. I can't find them for msrp anywhere that will ship them to me within the week

[proper sky]

aren't those lian's a bit above msrp?

[feral pivot]

Wat?

[proper sky]

the fans

[feral pivot]

I'm not looking for lian li fans...

[proper sky]

oh no, im just saying that those fans are above msrp rn... i think, maybe its the new price lol

[feral pivot]

Yea. Msrp is 25.99, which is fine. But I can't find anywhere that will ship them quickly

Amazon is $87 for two, and EK.com would take like a month to ship em

[proper sky]

jeez

[feral pivot]

Yea, I just ordered an x570 board and the EK elite 360mm, and got my 5950x, all I need is 4 fans lol.

[proper sky]

oh wow nice!

[feral pivot]

Yea. It's been a while in the works

Q:what's the BEST rgb fan? I think vardar

[fervent trellis]

is this good? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HRvdnQ/arctic-bionix-p120-a-rgb-48-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00156a

or this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FCvqqs/cooler-master-sickleflow-62-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-mfx-b2dn-183pa-r1

[unique lily]

shock_trooper#3764 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

shock_trooper#3764 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

shock_trooper#3764 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[shrewd juniper]

I don't know but see if you can find the arctic p12 rgb version, they are new and slightly hard to find but will definitely be the best sound and cooling wise unless there's a noctua a12x25 rgb

[feral pivot]

Probably this. I CURRENTLY have sickle flow fans, and they aren't bad, but they are nothing special. I'm redoing all my cooling with EK vardar fans, so if u can get those. If u can't, and RGB isn't a requirement, get noctua fans

[fervent trellis]

o

k

i think im good with the fans i have

[grave furnace]

I have a gaming computer with an AIO and need to take it with me on a flight

if I put it in checked baggage is there a risk of the AIO leaking?

due to the reduced pressure in the cargo area

[knotty eagle]

I would assume so

[magic wave]

Hold PC (very closely)

[shrewd juniper]

No water on board plane 😂

How you supposed to get that through security XD

[magic wave]

It's not water it's alcohol

[knotty sparrow]

You can have those small shot size bottles of liquor on a plane no problem

[shrewd juniper]

So what you're saying is just drain the aio and fill it up with vodka instead XD

[idle tiger]

You can bring as many as you can fit in a 1 quart ziploc

[topaz blaze]

its cold here..

[topaz blaze]

Having my AIO setup set to extreme wont hurt it will it?

[shrewd juniper]

As in full speed all the time?

[topaz blaze]

Yes, i just took a quick look though online and i guess it doesnt effect the life span in a significant way

[knotty sparrow]

The pump is meant to be at/near full speed anyway, it might reduce the life of the fans and increase noise though

[topaz blaze]

Yeah im not too worried about noise, not my biggest concern unless its a noise thats not supposed to happen

I just dont want the rising temps outside to affect my productivity. Plus i dont have AC

[knotty sparrow]

It can't cool past ambient temperature no matter what anyway, so if it's hot in the room the idle temps will be high too

[topaz blaze]

Yeah im worried about that too, i just dont want it to build up any higher than i should let it

But i think i have it good right now

If i were to get a portable AC, would it be a good idea to feed it into or near my pc or just cool my workspace overall?

[knotty sparrow]

Ideally you would pump it directly into the intake for the PC but normally you only need that when you're doing some crazy overclocking thing

[grave furnace]

it would be checked baggage

because if it were carryon the pressure thing wouldn't be a concern in the first place

bc overhead bins are pressurized

I am thinking tho don't AIOs get shipped by air mail?

[shrewd juniper]

I was joking ik lol

[magic wave]

Probably by ship and then by train, truck

[twin urchin]

AIOs would be filled with water and not affected by air pressure

[knotty eagle]

Except the hoses

Those are rubber

[barren igloo]

is mineral oil submersion cooling any good?

[shrewd juniper]

Just use water lol

[weary slate]

Yea lol ik linus did a video on it but they also had a lot of the components die after.

Water cooling is significantly more practical

[shrewd juniper]

If you're overclocking that much just use ice water

[barren igloo]

wdym?

[knotty sparrow]

Submersion is a fun novelty to use on stuff you don't care if it dies

Ice water in an open loop is much better, Jay does that sometimes

[shrewd juniper]

Linus has done before too^

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsc-rESvg7U

That's his most recent ice bucket OC

Peak temps were around 30C on the GPU I believe

[weary slate]

Yea, the biggest issue I would also see with mineral oil even outside of component failure is case failure if it leaks because mineral oil is horrendous to clean

[knotty eagle]

That's why you use a glass fishtank or something

Plastic will degrade over time

[mighty schooner]

I'm pressuming 60°C good for being under decent load?

[weary slate]

yes

[knotty eagle]

Define decent load.

Cinebench? Timespy?

[mighty schooner]

Uh. OBS, Twitch Stream Helper Wallpaper engine and Apex Legends

[knotty eagle]

NOt bad. Check under something like 3D Mark Timespy if you want a heavy load. Cinebench for the CPU

[mighty schooner]

Well guess the cooler is doing its job better than stock

[wooden goblet]

could I take off the fan on the intel stock cooler and use it as a exhaust fan?

[weary slate]

I don't think it would have the mounting hardware or be the right size

[low pumice]

it's generally wacky size

like 82mm

[weary slate]

but if you manage to mount it somehow I don't see why it wouldn't work since its just a standard fan header, but will probably be a pretty noisy fan too

[low pumice]

apparently 92mm, but I don't think it just comes off

(fan off the heatsink)

[wooden goblet]

ok

[shrewd juniper]

Just keep it in 1 piece incase you need to return/want to sell

[wooden goblet]

ok

[topaz blaze]

What are some good egb fans yall would sagest

[fervent trellis]

case fans or cpu coolers

id cooling se-224is pretty good from what i've heard

cpu cooler

that's what im probably gonna get

[low pumice]

se-224-xt is a cooler

I think they want fans

[topaz blaze]

Im lookinf for ether

But i dont want to get inro liguid at all

[low pumice]

se-224-xt great for any chip below like a 3900x lel

[fervent trellis]

Cooler Master SickleFlow 62 CFM 120 mm Fans 3-Pack are the case fans im probably gonna get

[topaz blaze]

Im going for a i7 10700k

[fervent trellis]

ok

[tired fog]

does the size of the reservoir matter a lot in custom loop builds?

[azure crown]

no

[magic wave]

Piping in water from Lake Erie

[weary slate]

Ocean cooled pc

[magic wave]

Pog

[weary slate]

I just thought about what saltwater would do to a loop and cringed lol

[magic wave]

Xd

[weary slate]

I can only imagine it would be like Linus' whole room water cooling but so much worse

[knotty sparrow]

Here's a fun thought for you:
A steampunk room with the liquid coolant from the computer run around the room and through walls and such, with view points in the loop to show the liquid is really moving

[weary slate]

That would actually be super neat, However I'm sure it would be a nightmare after I saw how badly just trying to run copper pipes went for Linus

[knotty sparrow]

Oh it would need to all be custom work for sure. Standard tubing, pumps, etc won't cut it. You could always just spray paint the tubing anyway, so material doesn't matter.

[weary slate]

You'd also probably need an excessive amount of biocide in the loop

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on the liquid you use. With that much liquid in a loop you could go for very low % water liquid.

[weary slate]

That's fair, I'll save that for when my name is Jeff Bezos and I own the moon

[native iron]

hey guys, just wondering, from your own experience, how long did aios last for you

[knotty sparrow]

Mine's going strong for 3 years now

[magic wave]

Should last a good long time

[knotty sparrow]

I just need to replace the fans, they're starting to rattle

[magic wave]

Never used one full transparency

[weary slate]

Yea personally as stupid as it is I have a think about putting conductive liquid inside a pc

[knotty sparrow]

They very rarely leak

I was worried about that too at first, I'd check if it was leaking every time before I turned on the PC for like, a month lol

[weary slate]

That's pretty much what I've heard lol, I just don't feel like I would ever have good peace of mind with it. Since I don't do small form factor I don't really lose much by slapping on a tower cooler lol

[knotty sparrow]

A good air cooler would cost about as much (or less) as a cheap liquid cooler in a lot of cases

[weary slate]

Yea, granted liquid cooling does look pretty cool I won't lie

[boreal sphinx]

Well you need to add the fan cost

That you get with the aio

[knotty sparrow]

But the AIO comes with fans? I don't get what you mean

[boreal sphinx]

Thats what im saying
If you buy aio you dont need 3 /2 case fans

If you buy air cooler you need to buy more fans for the case

[knotty sparrow]

Oh right I get it now, makes sense

[weary slate]

Thats fair

[low pumice]

se-224-xt be like

A lot less than any half decent AIOs

[knotty sparrow]

I wasn't talking half decent, I was talking a $70 240, which as ofir pointed out you might need more fans too

[low pumice]

Aka. in most cases, it's not even a contest, because spending more money doesn't even make sense

That's more than 2x the price

And again, no need to stuff a case with fans

If a case you buy needs more than 2 more fans, you're buying the wrong case

[low pumice]

Not needed 95% of the time

And remember, per-fan cost for something like Arctic p12 is like 8$

I just cannot back the idea that 'cheap' AIOs belong in any builds where you have to consider pricing :p

[knotty sparrow]

Only if you want the aesthetic I'd say

[low pumice]

Ya, I can never suggest it for any real reason

They need to understand it's not a good idea, and the money wasted is their money wasted >:p

[little skiff]

I have a five-pack of RGB fans I bought... but I'm thinking about only using three and keeping the others as reserve. I might have been a bit overly ambitious.

[knotty eagle]

AIO 7+ years

[rustic onyx]

Alright, I've got an interesting request. I'm going to likely be replacing my Fiancee's case with a P360A, but I don't want to have to deal with moving the RGB fans around, so I'm also going to replace her aging H110i with a new Air Cooler. She's just running a Stock 6600K, but I want it to run cool and quiet. Best cheap Air Cooler to do that with?

[knotty sparrow]

Very common request actually
SE224, Vetroo V5, or gammaxx 400
Pick the cheapest of those

[rustic onyx]

Does the White one have any performance difference for the SE224?

[knotty sparrow]

There's various variants of each, pick your favorite features

[rustic onyx]

I'm probably gonna get her a White P360A, so her PC can match mine (I have a White P400A)

[knotty sparrow]

Functionally no difference as long as it's the same model

[topaz blaze]

se234 too

that one is rgb

[knotty sparrow]

But the SE224 XT performs better, hence the change in name

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that's a newer model right?

[rustic onyx]

Yeah, and I don't even think the motherboard she has has an RGB port on it.

[topaz blaze]

not sure

[rustic onyx]

If it does, it's definitely not ARGB

[topaz blaze]

so no rgb

[rustic onyx]

Although, the RGB could be controlled by the case ARGB controller.

[topaz blaze]

so yes rgb?

wat

[rustic onyx]

RGB is a "Maybe"

[knotty sparrow]

If the price is right kind of deal?

[rustic onyx]

More like, "Does the MSI Z170A SLI Plus have an ARGB Port on it.

[knotty sparrow]

Nope

Not even a 4 pin rgb

[rustic onyx]

Yeah, that's what I found.

Looks like no RGB

She wanted the White P360A, so she's getting a White ID-Cooling SE-224-XT

Quick other question... Would the SE-224-XT cool better than a Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B?

Or... More accurately, is there a cheap air cooler that would cool better than the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev B and possibly come in white?

Or should I just get a Fuma 2 and replace my Mugen 5 with that?

Yeah... I think I'm just gonna get a Fuma 2 for my personal upgrade.

Not that my Mugen 5 is bad, It's just... for 60 bucks, a Fuma 2 is like, a no-brainer upgrade over a Mugen 5.

Ok... I'm getting some naughty thoughts...

[austere rune]

hol up, wait a minute, something aint right

[rustic onyx]

What if... I took a Fuma 2... and added 2 NF-P12 1700 RPM fans to it?

[unique lily]

MT6#6942 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[austere rune]

i insulted myself

i dont know what those parts are so i called myself the r word

and i got cancelled

[mental geyser]

What does bad word useage even mean

[unique lily]

jamesthetanker#6600 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rustic onyx]

What do you think...

Have you ever... read the rules?

[magic wave]

The answer is no

[weary slate]

What are rules?

[topaz blaze]

#rules

[rose isle]

Deep Cool Castle 240 V2, or Fractal Design Celsius S24, or Corasir H100, or Lian Li Galahad 240

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic freezer ii or ek aio are the best tbh, Galahad is pretty decent iirc tho

[rose isle]

I cant get the AF and EK where im from. The ones I listed fall into my price range

so Gallahad... cool. Thanks

[weary slate]

Lol it was sarcasm but thanks

[frank island]

So I just bought this desktop about a month ago, after reading the reviews (and checking myself) it has CPU cooling issues. Showing CPU temps of close to 80 degrees. I'm not sure what fan I can get to replace the fan that came installed. Any help would be appreciated. https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali473/p/N82E16883360058?Item=N82E16883360058

[topaz blaze]

what even is that cooler

does it specify?

[knotty eagle]

Stock AMD Spire

Concern is tower clearance inside the case

[topaz blaze]

that's a spire?

[knotty eagle]

Wraith Spire

[topaz blaze]

on chuglife's prebuild?

[knotty eagle]

Yes

[topaz blaze]

uh

[knotty eagle]

Derp

Intel cooler

[knotty sparrow]

With an Intel CPU? lmao

[knotty eagle]

I was looking at a different page in Chrome LMAO

I have like 30 tabs open XD

That's a crappy thermaltake cooler

UX100 I think?

If there's room, an ID Cooling SSE 224XT would be great

[frank island]

I know I'm not giving you guys much to work with, are there certain specs I should be looking for to replace it? Size? Watts?

[knotty eagle]

How much room is there from the board to the glass side panel?

Most tower coolers are 150mm or so, is there at least that much room?

[frank island]

Yeah it looks like there might be

[knotty eagle]

If you want RGB, this is actually a good cooler https://www.amazon.com/Vetroo-Cooler-Processor-Universal-Socket/dp/B08F2BS9J8

[frank island]

Right on, I guess I can look up how to replace, but is it pretty much plug and play? Will I have to replace the thermal paste? New to computer stuff obviously.

[shrewd juniper]

youll need to remove the paste from your previous cooler with isapropyl alcohol and yeah re paste it and screw it in and plug fan into motherboard should be g

[frank island]

Right on, thanks for the help everyone

[feral pivot]

Can these be connected together??? Vardar s and vardar evo fans daisy chain

[knotty sparrow]

It looks like one is a 3 pin and the other is 4 pin, they run on different voltages. So no, you can't.

[barren hamlet]

are nf-f12 good for case fans?

[shrewd juniper]

You're probs better off getting a12x25s or arctic p12s tbh

[barren hamlet]

kk

waiting for chromax nf-a12x25 then

[weary slate]

Pretty sad they've delayed the chromax A12's tbh, Not a fan of the beige and brown, granted I say that like I can afford a whole bunch of chromax A12's

[barren hamlet]

hurry up noctua god dammit its just a coating of paint

[barren hamlet]

$90 for 3 fans

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah arctic p12 is like 35$ for 5

[barren hamlet]

yeah but arctic p12's are meh

[knotty eagle]

Not really

UNless you want RGB

[shrewd juniper]

No they're a very close second to a12x25s

[weary slate]

Yea Arctic P12's are really good

[barren hamlet]

rgb is mega meh

[shrewd juniper]

There's an rgb version coming out/available in some regions

[shrewd juniper]

Then get the p12s and save some money

[barren hamlet]

i was trying to avoid p12s

[shrewd juniper]

Why

[barren hamlet]

because i dont really want them

[shrewd juniper]

But why they're basically cheap a12s and in black or white

[weary slate]

Do you have a bad experience with Arctic or something?

[barren hamlet]

no

arctic is cool

no pun indented lol

[shrewd juniper]

Then why would you spend extra money for basically the same perf

[wooden goblet]

how do the fans connect to a rgb header?

will my case come with a splitter

[knotty eagle]

Case won't, fans might

[wooden goblet]

the fans come with the case

mb511

argb

coolermaster

[knotty eagle]

AH, propbs has a hub then

or a splitter cable yeah

[wooden goblet]

ok

thx

[loud plaza]

Ok are there significant pump noise issues for the lian li galahad 360

[knotty eagle]

Shouldn't be

[hollow finch]

Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black) is this a good i9 10850k cooler??

[low pumice]

What else will you be putting in the system?

D15 is good but C H U N K Y

might have clearance issues

[hollow finch]

Well I’m gonna put my whole build into pc part picker but I’m not exactly sure yet what else is going in there so I can’t say how cluttered it would be yet. But if it fits fine is that a good cooler or would you suggest another

[low pumice]

Can you give me the list?

The main thing is case and ram clearance for D15/DRP4

[hollow finch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tyler_M80/saved/#view=YRbxHx Let me know if that takes you to the list. It’s a working progress. Not everything on there is permanent but for now would that work w what I got

[low pumice]

List is private :)

[hollow finch]

Oh hold on

[hollow finch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Tyler_M80/saved/nwsWt6

How’s that

[low pumice]

Still private :(

[hollow finch]

Wtfffff I’ll just ss it

[low pumice]

Without saving it, you could just grab the link to the list here

Once saved, you can do edit details

[hollow finch]

Oh well next time ig😂

[low pumice]

ehm

I have other critiques too

like you can't even use PCIe 4.0 with a 10th gen chip

aka, 980 pro useless compared to pcie 3.0 drives for cheaper

[hollow finch]

Oh yeah I was just trying to fix that but it didn’t save. Ignore that

[low pumice]

and specifically with the cooler, Corsair ram is going to be interesting, might want to go for a less-thicc cooler like the NH-D15s or just take the front fan off the cooler when you use it

[hollow finch]

Hmmm okay. So you don’t think it would fit then?

Any other cooler suggestions?

[low pumice]

Easier to grab diagram, @hollow finch see how the front fan hangs over? That likely would interfere with any decent sized ram, so there's the NH-D15s (the -s differentiates it from the normal one for not including that fan), that just doesn't come with the fan, or you could just take that fan off.

anyways, I'll grab other suggestions too

@hollow finch Oh and also, did you settle on a case yet?

[hollow finch]

Ohhh that makes sense yeah. And no I haven’t

[low pumice]

I suggest taking a look at the TD500 mesh, P500a, and the Lancool ii mesh for now

Those have nice airflow and also support 165mm+ coolers

[hollow finch]

Okay thanks for the help!

[low pumice]

:)

oh right lemme find some other coolers for you to look at

@hollow finch
AIO option because freezer ii can be nice:
https://www.newegg.com/arctic-cooling-liquid-freezer-ii-280-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835186248
DRP4 is also nice, similar to D15
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BY6F8D9

Lower cost Fuma 2 option if necessary:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07QMK5R45

[hollow finch]

Oh that second one “DRP4” I saw. That was like my second choice I was looking at. And that wouldn’t interfere w the RAM then cause it’s smaller? But it would still work good enough?

[low pumice]

Well, it may look smaller, it's actually not much smaller

[hollow finch]

But would I not have that issue w the RAM anymore?

[low pumice]

It's still quite big, and can hang over ram slots

[hollow finch]

Ohh I see

Well I’ll keep looking and I’ll take that into consideration w the RAM

[low pumice]

with more modern looking boards

but anyways, another thing to keep in mind, with a case like P500a that supports up to 170mm coolers, that means 5mm extra space (extra from 165mm cooler height) you can move the fan up to fit the ram

[hollow finch]

Ohhh okay. So with the right case I can technically make these work then

[low pumice]

Yea, it's just a bit annoying at times, so I go for the D15s suggestion since that doesn't have a second fan to worry about, and still performs quite well xD

although d15s pricing is kinda stupid :(

[hollow finch]

Wait I thought the d15s did have the extra fan

[low pumice]

@hollow finch :)
https://noctua.at/en/whats-the-difference-between-nh-d15-and-nh-d15s

[hollow finch]

Ohhh so the “s” has the single fan and the other one doesn’t. Got it

[low pumice]

ya

also slightly shifted but doesn't really matter nowadays

[true rose]

Not sure if i can ask here or not but i just bought more fans and not sure if i have things facing the right way

[solemn juniper]

bought these last year for 28

they are now 42$

[solemn juniper]

on the fans you'll see 2 arrows on one of the sides, which ever arrow is pointing in the direction the fan is facing, that means air is getting pushed or pulled that way

in the front typically is where you want the air to come from, and to exhaust out the back and top

another way to tell which way the air will go is find the cable off the fan, usually the back side of it is where the cable follows along the plastic supports

whichever side that cable is on is where the air is going

the top arrow is rotation direction of the fan

the bottom arrow is which way the air is going

and as you can see the cable is on the side the air is going

[proper dew]

Anyone Run a 3090 have some tips to share for cooling the VRAM?

[shrewd juniper]

I don't run one but if you're mining with it, take panel off case, add an internal case fan pointing right at the back of the case

[low pumice]

Thermal pads

[proper dew]

Way ahead of you there. I'm waiting on another shipment of copper heatsinks to fix in another array along the backplate

I've got 2 noctua 1700 pulling air off the back now, it still hits such high notes

got memory junc down to 90C max when mining at 70% power load, still think i can drop it by about 5 or more

[shrewd juniper]

Probs yeah

Make sure you drop core too

[proper dew]

Core only goes so low with GPU tweak, does afterburner let you clock it lower?

[shrewd juniper]

What's it at atm, afterburner goes to -502

[proper dew]

although i havent played with the defined curve yet

let me see

[shrewd juniper]

I believe it's -502 for all gpus anyway

[proper dew]

Don't know if its viable, will try this

Maybe a 1 deg C. drop

gddr6x too stronk

[boreal sphinx]

Is 90 vram considered bad for 3090?

I have seen people with 110 and 100

[knotty sparrow]

+90? It really depends on your memory, silicon lottery applies

I'd think that 90 is pretty low for a 3090, maybe +90 core but memory?

I mean I have my 3060 stable at +1060 memory

[boreal sphinx]

@knotty sparrow i meant temp

[boreal sphinx]

..

[knotty sparrow]

Ohhhh temps

Nah 90 is fine

[boreal sphinx]

👍

[proper dew]

Still adding another heatsink array to the backplate, proof of concept is there

Shocked me when cyberpunk was trying to reach 100 + , now i got it down to 84 max for tjunc at 4k ultra settings

[cosmic sand]

whenever i play COD warzone , my PC heats up and it smells like plastic burning . what should i do ? my current set up 2080 super , cooling - none, just the fans in the front and back

[shrewd juniper]

Mb clean the pc with some canned air

[charred fossil]

Question: does anyone know of a gpu water block that'll fit the powercolor 6900xt red devil? I've checked ekwb, corsair, and bitpower but none of them seem to have one.

[umbral musk]

I'm curious about cooling an nvme m.2. Is the Silverstone SST-TP02-M2 worth the small investment? I mention that one because it's the only one with a brand name I recognized. I figure the ones with fans would cause a high pitched noise.

[low pumice]

Well, why do you think cooling is necessary?

[umbral musk]

It's one of the few items that doesn't have some type of heat spreader on the mobo. AND, better boards come with one for the slots

[low pumice]

What drive is it?

[proper dew]

I'm have a mobo with an m2 heatsink, these are my levels after 2 days of use

[low pumice]

Also, generally, you want nand to be warm, but controller is better kept cool.

[umbral musk]

It's a WD blue

[magic wave]

SN550?

[umbral musk]

WDS500G2B0C

[low pumice]

From Tom's hardware SN550 testing:

[unique lily]

Mr1111#1350 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[low pumice]

bruh

[umbral musk]

The current temp is 34 C but it's not running under heavy load, like gaming

[low pumice]

"When it comes to heat, the WD Blue SN550 does a pretty good job at keeping cool with static air (no airflow) within our 25 degrees Celsius testing environment. WD specifies that the SSD will throttle performance if it surpasses the rated operating temperature of 70 degrees Celsius. "

"When moving a few hundred gigabytes of data around, to and from the drive, peak temps reported in at just over 70 degrees Celsius. However, manually measuring with our infrared thermometer, we saw both the NAND package and controller barely hit 61 degrees Celsius and the drive didn’t exhibit any thermal throttling at the time."

[umbral musk]

So, it sounds like an extra heat spreader is not required on that gum stick

[low pumice]

yep

makes more sense when you look at power consumption, that's not a lot of heat to dissipate

[umbral musk]

thanks for your help

[low pumice]

:)

[magic wave]

Do they have a graph for peak

[low pumice]

@magic wave they do actually

[opaque pike]

would this be the correct lobby for questions on corsair commander pro and fans?

[low pumice]

Yes, this channel should work.

[opaque pike]

i have 3 LL 120 in front for intake and 3 SP 120s to on rad and 1 for exhaust i connected all 6 fans to lighting node then connected lighting node to commander pro for some reason all lights come on and i am able to control fan speed but i am not able to change lighting effect for reason does anyone know if you are not suppose to connect 2 different sets of fans to 1 lighting node? i am not shore what i am doing wrong

[low pumice]

Someone more familiar with Corsair rgb hardware should join in at some point, but I believe it shouldn't matter.

[opaque pike]

ok thank you

[ancient gale]

Does any1 have this? It looks good if so can u recommend this?

[low pumice]

the magliquid?

it was reviewed badly relative to other good aios

[ancient gale]

Yep

[low pumice]

lemme see if I can find the review again

[ancient gale]

Thx

[low pumice]

"In the end, the thermal performance proved to be slightly underwhelming, as the MSI MAG CoreLiquid 360R was even outperformed by smaller 240mm coolers from other manufacturers. That’s not to say thermal performance of the CoreLiquid 360R is outright bad, but it simply cannot match the performance of other coolers of a similar size."

https://www.kitguru.net/components/cooling/james-dawson/msi-mag-coreliquid-360r-aio-cpu-cooler-review/6/

[ancient gale]

Tysm

[low pumice]

:)

[proven basalt]

as someone who wanted it Mr opened my eyes yesterday

[shrewd juniper]

If you want an rgb aio would recommend ek's one instead

[ancient gale]

Alr I’ll check it out

[topaz blaze]

so has enermax finally fixed their aio gunk thing?

ive heard they did, some people still say they didnt and they're still bleh

idk

[low pumice]

Beyond liqtech 2 should be fixed

[timid carbon]

Just give the cooler some asprin for the clots and call it a day as the worst case

[weary slate]

Hey so I know some fans are pressure optimized and others are airflow optimized, is something like an arctic P12 particularly bad for a front intake or just less efficient than a similar airflow optimized fan?

[low pumice]

It's not bad, it's great in general, it's just also good at pressure

[weary slate]

Alright thanks

[fair walrus]

Heyo, how do i check if my motherboard supports an addressable RGB AIO?

I have a b460m and a i7-10700f, but ive been having major cooling problems just using the stock cooler

I.e CPU temp idling at 55-65C and maxing at 96C

[weary slate]

do you have the specific motherboard model?

[fair walrus]

Oh yes sorry

GIGABYTE B460M

DS3H

[weary slate]

looks like this?

[fair walrus]

Thats the one

The website says it supports RGB light strips but i dunno about addressable RGB AIO’s

[weary slate]

Yea looking at the user manual now

[fair walrus]

Thank you!

[knotty eagle]

it doesn't do aRGB

RGB only

[fair walrus]

okay thank you for that

[lime mulch]

Is it normal for my new cooler master aio to smell like plastic?

Its a weird scent floating around the room

And i took out all the parts and localized it to the AIO

[low pumice]

Smelling like plastic is normal, burning plastic no

[lime mulch]

Not sure if its a burning scent or not. But its kind of a metallic/mineraly smell i guess

Its bitter

Its coming from the radiator

[topaz blaze]

Probably the machined copper

@low pumice corsair radiators are aluminum aren't they?

[knotty eagle]

Most radiators are aluminum

[topaz blaze]

27mm thick though

so its even worse

[fervent canopy]

It's a new fresh smell, happened Freezer 34 esports duo, smelled like Ice

[ripe mist]

Are 900 rpm fans good?

[stable eagle]

depends on what size they are

[shrewd juniper]

If they're 120mm 1700-2500rpm is the usual iirc

But if they are 120mm fans just get some arctic p12s or noctua a12x25 if you don't mind no egb

Rgb

[boreal sphinx]

Arctic has new rgb fans i think

[zealous skiff]

I have a question

Is the GPU paste is the same as CPU’s?

[shrewd juniper]

Yes thermal paste is universal between them

[zealous skiff]

How often should we change the thermal paste of CPU & GPU?

[zealous skiff]

Thanks

[knotty eagle]

Every 5-7 years

Or if you notice an excessive heat issue

[zealous skiff]

I live in a hot country so isn’t that an issue?

[knotty eagle]

Not really

[ripe mist]

I was looking at the be quiet 500dx case with 3 900 rpm fans

[untold axle]

i have pwm fans and idk if i should put it in the cpu_fan, cha_fan1, or cha_fan2 header?

[shrewd juniper]

Well put the cpus fan on that, then either for the case fans

[unique lily]

dervin#4147 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lime mulch]

Im a dumbdumb

[shrewd juniper]

rude smh

[lime mulch]

I forgot to take off the heatsink stucjer

Sticker

So thats why my whole room smelled like paste and plastic

My bad, infuriated with how i messed up something so simple and routine

[shrewd juniper]

oof

[lime mulch]

Whole house smelled like it was burning, took off gpu, radiator and everything. I basically melted all the plastic over the M2 heatsink

Sigh, would it have caused major damage you guys think to the NVME?

[bitter wharf]

So I bought a h150i Elite capellix for i9 9900k and under 100% load Im hitting 80°. Any help? Ive put the fans at 100 and nothing

[covert garden]

guys i'm new at pc gaming and what is like a bad temperature to be at when ur gaming btw i have an i5 10400f and a nvidia geforce rtx 2060 so what temperatures should i avoid when i'm playing a game

[knotty eagle]

anything 90-95C

[covert garden]

so if my cpu and gpu are at like 60 degrees i'm fine

[bitter wharf]

GPU anything 80+ cpu dont even worry about

Your CPU will shut itself off before you will do any damage 9/10

CPUs 90+

[weary slate]

The NF-A12 is noctua's newer fan design right?

[low pumice]

a12x25 is

[weary slate]

ahh ok

I saw Chromax A12x15's on Amazon for $24 and was confused

Wasn't really planning on buying them amazon jsut suggested it and i got a bit confused

[low pumice]

a12x15 is basically thin a12x25

[weary slate]

ah ok

[low pumice]

x15 is 15mm thick, x25 is 25mm thick. They have tradeoffs

x15 runs a bit faster to reach similar performance as x25, but not quite, so it's slightly louder for slightly less performance.

So x15 is a "can't fit anything else" thing

[weary slate]

makes sense

[low pumice]

ya, smaller fan blade area and such

[topaz blaze]

turn pump speed up

there is no reason it should be doing that

[fervent canopy]

Any thoughts about Lian Li Sl120 ? (Just Curious!)

[radiant leaf]

the unifans?

[unique lily]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stiff crypt]

they r garbage

[radiant leaf]

I have no complaints with mine, you can probably get better cooling for cheaper but they are visually pretty and they're very quiet and they feel well engineered with how they slide together to chain without extra cables.

I picked them cuz I liked the sync effects and they seemed good enough 🙂 But outside the aesthetics Im pretty sure you can do better for less.

[hollow finch]

How do I know if I’m gonna need any extra case fans for my pc?

[terse vine]

it depends on what your cases supports but most mid towers support at least 2 front fans and a rear fan, so plan on getting at minimum 1 intake and 1 exhaust fan (1 front and 1 rear)

[shrewd juniper]

What case and what specs are in the pc?

[hollow finch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wvjYK3

[shrewd juniper]

Tbf anything but the 200$ cases include 2 fans

[hollow finch]

Well that’s the thing all the cases I’ve seen have had 3 fans in it but do I need to purchase any extra

[shrewd juniper]

Lemme double check

Although I'd recommend changing the aio to an ek one if you want rgb or an arctic liquid ii if you don't

[terse vine]

true, most do come with fans, i personally like to fill all of them up

[hollow finch]

What makes you recommend that?

[hollow finch]

But would I need to purchase extra or would the one it comes with be fine?

[terse vine]

i cant see what case you have, the link is not working

[shrewd juniper]

They're the 2 best aios on the market and cheaper

Galahad is a close third tho if you want a white aio

Btw the case comes with 3 fans in front but because you're getting an aio that comes with 2 fans

[terse vine]

it works now, the corsair ones it comes with are great, so you could rearrange them if you want but three is good

[hollow finch]

Oh okay so you think I’m good with cooling then or should I plan on getting more fans?

And so what was the aio you recommended over the Corsair exactly?

[shrewd juniper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rxNLgt

[shrewd juniper]

No you'll have 2 on top and 3 in the front, you don't need an extra one but I would probs stick an arctic p12 fan in the back if you don't mind it being not rgb

[hollow finch]

Okay sounds good

[bitter wharf]

@topaz blaze I did, even have my pump at extreme and barely works. I put it at 100% load and it will hit extreme temps

[rustic onyx]

Filling all fan slots can hinder cooling in some cases. I don't recommend doing this unless you know for a fact your cooling isn't hindered.

[rustic onyx]

Here's your problem. You bought a Corsair Liquid Cooler.

Should have just bought a Scythe Fuma 2

[twin urchin]

take the plastic off your CPU block

[shrewd juniper]

Even arctic or ek would save money and still have the aio asthetic some ppl crave

[rustic onyx]

The AIO asthetic is dumb IMO. A custom loop looks way sexier. And most Air Coolers don't look bad now.

[shrewd juniper]

Tbf i understand ppl liking the aio asthetic, it looks way cleaner than having a res and custom soft tubing looks meh unless it's black anyway

[bitter wharf]

I mean gaming its fine and doesnt go above high 50s. Just wanted something that would keep my cpu cool while mining. Probably just gonna return it and get a fan cooler

[shrewd juniper]

Why bother mining on your gpu will get you like 30c a day

[weary slate]

Hey out of curiosity whats a decent single tower cooler for a 5600x? I'd prefer if it was black but if that's going to cost me $20 more or something it's probably not worth it

[shrewd juniper]

I'd cooling se 224xt or vetroo v5 if you want black with rgb

Or gammaxx 400 but not black

[weary slate]

Alright, yea I don't care about rgb, I was just hoping to keep a somewhat plain black look or at the very least just not have a big silver tower.

[twin urchin]

or Scythe Mugen5

[weary slate]

oh wow the ID se 224xt is pretty inexpensive, That's a pretty good deal

[shrewd juniper]

Yep

[bitter wharf]

@shrewd juniper I want to mine dogecoin thats why

[shrewd juniper]

Scythe mugen is all meh colourwise tho

[shrewd juniper]

Use your gpu?

[bitter wharf]

@shrewd juniper Already using my GPU just want more profits @shrewd juniper

[shrewd juniper]

Aight...

[weary slate]

I don't think you can really mine doge with gpu's at this point I think its only really asic's that are profitable but I could be wrong

^not being able to use gpu's is what I heard at least

[bitter wharf]

For Litecoin/Dogecoin and Bitcoin that is true @weary slate theres too much computing power behind it. You can use a CPU tho to mine it

[weary slate]

Oh really? I was unaware you could use your cpu in any meaningful way to mine it. That's interesting.

[bitter wharf]

I know for Litecoin and Dogecoin you can I do not know the profitability yet if its even worth it but as far as bitcoin I dont think you can use a CPU to mine it

[weary slate]

I also think so much of bitcoin has been mined that I'm not sure any form of mining for it is profitable at this point

[bitter wharf]

Theres still 2.5 mill left. if you got into it now it would be because once it gets maxed out it will only increase in value

[tame zodiac]

Anyone reccomend any basic starter cpu coolers? I'm working on my first build

[low pumice]

@tame zodiac what's your budget?

[tame zodiac]

For the whole pc 800

[supple harbor]

https://www.amazon.com/EK-EK-Vardar-High-Performance-Cooling-Computer/dp/B08WC58NKZ

new freezer competitor

[tame zodiac]

Ok thank you !

[low pumice]

Uhhhh

@tame zodiac if it's 800$ for the whole PC, please don't spend 10%+ on just the cooler, just go with something like a se-224-xt

@supple harbor btw, performance doesn't look too great, but we'll need more reviews

[supple harbor]

rip, is it worse than the norm rgb variant ?

[low pumice]

Need more reviews

But judging by the 360mm varients at 60% fan speed, although it's a bit wack compared to testing with noise normalized, it's behind the Z73, which the og ek-aio beat

[pallid knoll]

noctua nh-d15

[errant hawk]

Question has anyone had issues with lian li fans not working? If so how is their replacement process. (Got the galahad and it has one fan that stays white and one that doesn't come on)

[radiant leaf]

did you get it thru newegg? i rmaed my last aio that didn't work with no problems

[errant hawk]

Got it through newegg but all but the rgb it two fans work, was hoping that I could just return the fans. But to do that I figure I would have to go through lian li. (I have extra fans i can use for the system i don't have an extra cooler for the system.) returning through newegg takes time.

[radiant leaf]

you could order a new one now (which should show up in a couple days), send that back for rma for a refund toward the cost

thats how I did it

you have time to send it in then so you could send it after you receive the new one

[errant hawk]

Think I will try lian li first, if it doesn't work then I'll go that way.

[weary slate]

Ok this is probably a stupid question since thermal paste is meant to get really hot but I won't have any problems if I leave thermal paste in a hot car right? (in one of those little plunger style things mx-5 comes in)

[shrewd juniper]

I mean why would you but i don't see a problem with it

[low pumice]

Should be fine, and btw, @weary slate keep in mind thermal paste isn't designed to be good at passing heat, it's just really good at filling the gaps between CPU and coldplate

[weary slate]

I'm driving home and there's going to be like an hour or two stop where I didn't feel like carrying thermal paste in my pocket.

[shrewd juniper]

Dw bout it then

[weary slate]

Alright just wanted to make sure, thanks

[low pumice]

Like, think of thermal paste as just shoving tiny metal shavings on the CPU rather than just another heatsink kinda thing :p

[weary slate]

That's fair, it was more I recognized that paste should be more than ok in high temperature environments jsut wasn't sure if having in in the tube could be problematic

[low pumice]

Unless it's like 150c outside and the tube starts melting xD

[weary slate]

lol, that's fair, just the last thing I wanted to be doing was cleaning thermal paste out of my bag

[weary slate]

Also out of curiosity besides wanting rgb is there much reason to get fans more expensive than the P12 for 120mm?

[shrewd juniper]

a12x25s are slightly better but apart from that nope but they cost way more so

[low pumice]

Nidec GT too but ye

[weary slate]

Alright I was just curious because I noticed there are so many fans out there that are way more money Particularly corsair

[low pumice]

@weary slate Expensive corsair fans are 25$ RGB on a 5$ fan

[weary slate]

Even the ones without rgb are $20 lol

[low pumice]

15$ brand name on a 5$ fan >:D

but yea, they're decent, but not amazing or anything

[weary slate]

That's fair, I'd never heard of Arctic before I bought a 33 esports one cpu cooler for an older pc

[low pumice]

wouldn't say corsair fans are bad though, just decent

like with PSUs, have you heard of CWT before?

[weary slate]

no I haven't

[low pumice]

they're the OEM for a lot of PSUs, including RMx

[weary slate]

Ah ok

[topaz blaze]

Does anyone here have an NZXT h710 and a Corsair capellix 360mm with the intake in the front and tubes at the bottom? When I was trying to get mine in the first time I was just shy of length to mount it. I’m trying to fix my cooling setup

[shrewd juniper]

most 360 aios cant have tubes at the bottom

[knotty eagle]

Yezh the tubes aren't long enough to reach

Top tubes is fine TBH

As long as the pump is below the top of the radiator

[topaz blaze]

Like I can be 2 cm under?

Random number thrown out btw, but I should be good?

[knotty eagle]

As long as it's under it's fine

The more the better of course

But just under is fine

[topaz blaze]

Okay thanks

[river orchid]

anyone know a good D5 pump?

my ddc is loud af

[topaz blaze]

are arctic psts worth it over the normal version?

[knotty eagle]

It's just a daisy chain is all

Makes for a cleaner install and aesthetic

It's what, $1 a fan for a 5 pack? IMO it is

[little skiff]

This is gonna be a dumb question, but how can I tell the airflow direction on my fans? There's no indicator on the frame.

[shrewd juniper]

It usually goes front (logo) to back (cross)

[tepid hedge]

good day I would like to know if its ok to have 2 140mm intake fans and one 120mm exhaust. Any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

[knotty eagle]

Yes, that's fine

A little positive pressure is a good thing, keeps the dust out

[tepid hedge]

thank you

can you recommend any thats preferably below 20usd?

[knotty eagle]

Arctic P12 PWM

[brisk rain]

Any recommendations for water cooling in a dual socket SP3 system?

[topaz blaze]

Would 360mm push pull and 4 exhaust fans cause any negative pressure?

[knotty eagle]

Push pull is useless TBH

[little skiff]

I'm looking at my case's less than ideal fan slot situation again. Two front, two top, and one rear. I have enough fans to fill them all, but debating if I should. Or just use three and keep the extra two fans as reserve in case one dies.

[knotty eagle]

two front, two top at least

Or two front, one top, one rear

[little skiff]

With the four fan set-up I know the front two would be intake, would both the top and rear one be exhaust?

[knotty eagle]

yes

[magic wave]

this channel needs some pinned messages

lol

[shrewd juniper]

Number 1 you don't need water cooling even for an i9 a good air cooler will do fine XD

[magic wave]

lmao

[weary slate]

Arctic P12

[magic wave]

clarifications on the different types of fan airflow, high static pressure vs high airflow n such

idk

[low pumice]

noctua has a nice illustration

[shrewd juniper]

True aio orientation etc

[low pumice]

bit wacky but I like it once you figure out what's going on

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh yeah i remember seeing that one

[low pumice]

and this is decent, but just Noctua fans

[magic wave]

neat

[simple bluff]

I've got a Lian Li PC-011 dynamic white case, and I'm shopping for 6 fans. Don't think connectivity is an issue with Asus tuf z590. I've got a water cooling unit with a radiator and 3 fans , but am looking for some good rgb fans to throw in without breaking the bank.
Corsair has some fans on the shell-shocker tomorrow but I'm open for suggestions please

[shrewd juniper]

I've heard gelid stellas are supposed to be better

[topaz blaze]

faces suck

good rule of thumb for fans

[magic wave]

look on the side for the ⬇️⬅️

[topaz blaze]

some dont have it tho :/

[magic wave]

one arrow represents airflow direction, the other represents the spinning direction

[knotty eagle]

The motor frame or cross is always the exhaust on fans

[magic wave]

doesn't really matter if it has it or not, if you've seen one you've seen them all

[topaz blaze]

are shadow wings any good?

they seem nice for a quiet system

but do they perform well

and are they worth $18

[magic wave]

you can probably get something cheaper that does about as well or better

probably comes down to aesthetics, since arctic f12s might not be really appealing

[weary slate]

I do think they launched or are launching black versions of them so that helps

[magic wave]

neat

I only see b&w or grey ones

[weary slate]

looks like they may not be on amazon yet. https://www.arctic.de/en/F12-PWM/ACFAN00203A

[magic wave]

oo

not on newegg either

[weary slate]

Yea might only be available through their site for now because I do remember seeing a banner on their site a week or two ago saying they're brand new

[magic wave]

neat

also p12s if you have some airflow obstruction you need to get past

they're already black

oo they make p12 slims

[tender oak]

i had never touched my gpu fan speeds and had always played warzone with 30% on them and had been getting 60 degrees on average, all of a sudden temps raised above 70 and had to crank the speeds up, any reason for this?

[boreal sphinx]

Summer

[knotty sparrow]

Plus dust

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic p12 are quiter and cheaper, only fans that beat them is the a12x25 but not by much and they're 25$/fan

[sterile echo]

Which Noctua cooler would you guys recommend for a 3600 or 5600? Im looking at em on ppp and im not sure what the difference between the 9 vs the 12 is

[shrewd juniper]

For a 3600 or 5600 an id cooling se 224xt, gammaxx 400 or vetroo v5 but it doesn't on what model you're looking at if you just want a noctua cooler although afaik 9 is 90mm fan and 12 is 120mm fan but it depends more on what cooler you're talking about which one will be good

[sterile echo]

NH-U9S and the NH-U12S

Noctua was recommended by a close friend and was going off that. If the fan size is the only difference, guess I am going with the 12 for $10 more

[shrewd juniper]

Noctua is way overkill for a Ryzen 5/i5 you'll get mb a degree or 2 better than the other coolers i mentioned above for a fraction of the price

[sterile echo]

how bout on a 5700? I'm still up in the air on a CPU because I am going to attempt to fix a 3600x. If that doesn't work out I am going for the upgrade to a 5xxx, but am not sure the level just yet

[topaz blaze]

hi guys, any of you knows some cheap D5 pumps that are reliable ?

[shrewd juniper]

Well there is no 5700 but a 5800x would do just as good on a scythe fuma

[hasty ginkgo]

I have the 5800x I would get the 5600x unless you need the extra performance for something

[unique lily]

heyItsDubbleA#1968 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage