old-cooling

[kind apex]

thats true

[viral fjord]

so it says 35 CFM, 1200 RPM, 120mm

[kind apex]

CFM is the important fan stat

[viral fjord]

they are the same fans that came included in the case so they are probably not high end lol

[kind apex]

like you would get a big improvement from changing all 4 to noctua fans since they push/pull about twice the amount of air as those fans

[viral fjord]

I think since I'm not trying to aggressively OC that would be overkill

[kind apex]

yeah your temps are fine where they are

more than fine in fact you were ok before

[magic sparrow]

CFM is a lie tho

[viral fjord]

also probably significantly more expensive

[magic sparrow]

just like TDP, it is measured differently with different companies. So dont go by CFM

[kind apex]

more like a half truth than a lie

[magic sparrow]

Will of course it isnt an actual lie, else they is doomed for false advertising

[kind apex]

it would be better to watch a gamersnexus video where they test all the fans themselves of course

[viral fjord]

I've already gone over my original budget so I'm trying to not go more over

👀

[kind apex]

yeah like I said those temps are great

[magic sparrow]

Is there any reviewer that has some spreadsheet like the SSD or mobo ones but with standardized CFM testing?

[kind apex]

actually not many exist I thought there would be more

[viral fjord]

i have the 120mm corsair A1225M12S

4x

bought 2 for $8 each

[kind apex]

LOL that industrial noctua can push 124 cubic feet per minute of air. But it sounds like a helicopter taking off

[viral fjord]

i thought my pc would get louder from adding case fans

but its quieter at idle and same volume at load

pleasantly surprised

[torn anchor]

Keeping room temp air feeding both the GPU and CPU, is easy easy to see priority - but I think it's often smart to keep GPU exhaust routed away from the cpu coolre intake

So like - people buying AIO's were like - nah, I wanna tick off the obsessive discord tech nerds even more - I'm going to hotbox my 8700k with my 2070's output.

[kind apex]

I will say I have always thought the last pcie slot on the mobo should be the 16x slot you know to keep the hottest two things in your pc as far apart as possible but... they didnt ask me lol

probably has more to do with trace distance on the mobo

[torn anchor]

It'd make the board most costly/to design/build/test by a lot to ensure 16x down there - but x299's use 16 layer PCB's for a reason haha. Even the z390 dark is a 12 layer iirc

[topaz blaze]

pretty much every new HEDT board is X16 everywhere

[kind apex]

Just looked at the new asus hedt x299(intel) and the first 3 are 16x but not the last one 😦 however the asus x399(amd) only has 3 pcie slots and they are all 16x

[torn anchor]

Ya - they nearly always run at least two full x16 slots on cpu lanes ofc

[topaz blaze]

it depends on cpus pci lanes too

like threadripper is 64 with first and sec gen and something like 80 lanes with 3 gen

[rustic hinge]

So i guess this would be the right place to ask for insight on cooling?

Long story short, im building a new computer

I have a 3600x with the wraith spire.

Am i fine with the thermal paste that's included, along with the cooler? or should I try buying a better cpu cooler and paste

[wet laurel]

can some one look for a better cpu liquid cooler for me please https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Liquid-Cooler-Cooling-400-HY-CL28-V1/dp/B074WH52BW/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=EVGA%2BCL28&qid=1578978037&sr=8-1&th=1

[rustic hinge]

I decided to go with the MX-4 for thermal paste

[hidden mural]

MX-4 is the old standby sort of

it's well worth buying

[frozen sentinel]

You wont notice a huge difference in thermal paste, just applying new thermal paste in general is the biggest help, as long as its not the cheapest crap imaginable.

[burnt goblet]

@rustic hinge you just gave yourself extra work for close to no benefit.

[wary wadi]

Are any of the AIO coolers worth it, as opposed to something like the Dark Rock 4 or Noctua nd15?

[low pumice]

d15 op

d15 is great

[knotty eagle]

A good 240mm will work fine. Plus side to AIO is that the heat from the CPU doesn't make it into the case if it's used as exhaust fans.

[low pumice]

Though Price to Perf idk if they can match

[wary wadi]

So if I was to go with the NZXT h510, I could place the 240 AIO at the top of the case as an exhaust?

[low pumice]

Because most 240mm AIOs when I was looking were like 120$+

and d15 is like 80-90$

[modern crater]

Arctic freezer 34 esports duo ($40) or scythe mugen rev b ($36)

[low pumice]

I mean those cant exactly compete with a d15

Because if you're comparing d15 to AIOs as options I'm assuming either OCing or just a really hot chip

[frozen sentinel]

Dont get sub $50 AIOs pls

[low pumice]

(Plusnomad those are air coolers mugen and freezer 34)

[knotty eagle]

No, H510 only has one fan spot at the top. Also, it's a terrible airflow case

[frozen sentinel]

I wasnt referring to those

[modern crater]

Arctic freezer 34 esports duo ($40) or scythe mugen rev b ($36)

[knotty eagle]

The H510 has about 2 square inches of intake space at the front for fans. I'd consider something else.

[low pumice]

Theres a Corsair H100x 240mm for 90$ actually

interesting

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-liquid-cooling-system/p/2KY-001T-00027

[modern crater]

Arctic freezer 34 esports duo ($40) or scythe mugen rev b ($36)

[burnt goblet]

@modern crater we saw it the first time, and the second, and yes, we also saw it the third time

[wary wadi]

@knotty eagle as in consider a different case?

[knotty eagle]

Yes, I would

Something with a better front intake for cooling

Case is small inside with very small front intake

[modern crater]

@burnt goblet Arctic freezer 34 esports duo ($40) or scythe mugen rev b ($36)

[wary wadi]

I know Gamers Nexus recommended a negative pressure setup for that case with the back fans both being exhaust.

[knotty eagle]

Which is oof

[modern crater]

@burnt goblet

[wary wadi]

@knotty eagle maybe something like the Meshify C?

[knotty eagle]

Good choice

[wary wadi]

Should be able to air cool that case about as effectively as an AIO I imagine.

[knotty eagle]

Up to you and your budget

[wary wadi]

Honest opinion, excluding a custom loop. Forget about budget, because I can purchase over time to spread the cost around.

[rustic hinge]

@burnt goblet Back at it again with all criticism, no helpful alternative. Thanks.

[burnt goblet]

the alternative was given when the build was put together. IF it had been worth your time to change the paste on the stock cooler (in a new build) you would have been told so at the time.

[topaz blaze]

Dose anyway know true thermal throttle temp for 3970x?

i looked at amd site its says 68c but when i go over Theas hole i don't clocks downclock

[burnt goblet]

@topaz blaze rephrase the last part of that?

[topaz blaze]

ok so i am just wondering where the 3970x throttles at

[burnt goblet]

yes, that part of the previous post is clear

as is the 68c point that the amd site tells you about

[topaz blaze]

interesting i don't see downclocking past 68c

[burnt goblet]

you loading all cores?

[topaz blaze]

yes full blender

i send screen shot to help

[burnt goblet]

what probe is telling you (that you are above) 68c?

[topaz blaze]

hwinfo

[knotty eagle]

Ick

[burnt goblet]

yes, which specific one

[topaz blaze]

package temps

[burnt goblet]

because if the one you are looking at, is not the one that amd is talking about ... things will not align logically :)

[topaz blaze]

which one should i be looking at?

[burnt goblet]

no clue without a screenshot, i cannot remember the probe names

[topaz blaze]

ok i send one

[burnt goblet]

(mainly because i have had very very limited actual hands-on time with the TR3 chips)

[topaz blaze]

should i post it in here or #overclocking section?

[burnt goblet]

if a single, then here is fine

[knotty eagle]

Ryzen Master temps if you want to know when you're going to throttle. No other app reads temps like master.

Master reads rolling average temps that PBO uses to determine overclocks

[topaz blaze]

O so i should be using master?

[burnt goblet]

ah, that hasnt been fixed yet Bekora?

[knotty eagle]

No, AMD hasn't allowed anyone else to access their temps like they do in Master

[burnt goblet]

not that i blame them

[knotty eagle]

And the change to average was intentional

[burnt goblet]

aye, because it is inherent to PBO

[knotty eagle]

indeed

[topaz blaze]

let me use master first than

[knotty eagle]

Yep

[burnt goblet]

cheers for that info Bekora

[topaz blaze]

would thier be any reason why i cant open master?

[burnt goblet]

(was quite certain that had been fixed, must have dreamt that then)

[topaz blaze]

it keep saying program aborted

[burnt goblet]

try and scale your clocks back

and then try again

[knotty eagle]

Download it new again

If you have an older download EXE

[topaz blaze]

alright i was using older version i had for 2990wx

yeah its normal for 3970x to pull past 400w right?

[burnt goblet]

when clocked up? yes

[knotty eagle]

Yes

[topaz blaze]

it keeps giving me that error code is their a program i should close?

[knotty eagle]

What error code?

[topaz blaze]

same one as before please reinstall

[knotty eagle]

AMD says to clear CMOS and run this tool from MS if you get that error

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17588/windows-fix-problems-that-block-programs-being-installed-or-removed

Then reinstall

[topaz blaze]

if i load optimized defults that works same as cmos clear right?

[knotty eagle]

No

[topaz blaze]

alright thin i cleared cmos

[knotty eagle]

Now restart, leave it stock

run the MS tool and reinstall Master

THEN do your overclocking

[topaz blaze]

only thing i need to change is my is make sure i boot in raid is that ok?

[knotty eagle]

OH yeah

just leave the clocks alone for now

[topaz blaze]

alright thats all i changed

so i should uninstall master before running the tool right?

[knotty eagle]

Yes

[topaz blaze]

i hope they fix booting time all these trx40 boards takes forever to boot

[burnt goblet]

consider how much hardware is on the boards

you are not supposed to restart them all the time :)

[topaz blaze]

yeah alot times if i try cold booting i wont post

so now i leave it on

do i click installing or unstalling for problem @knotty eagle

[knotty eagle]

installing

[topaz blaze]

strange bug no?

still giving the error

[knotty eagle]

not that uncommon from what I've read

You have ALL of the motherboard/chipset drivers installed and the latest BIOS?

[topaz blaze]

yes

[knotty eagle]

Ah

Windows 10 VBS must be disabled

[topaz blaze]

i am workstation it might be

[knotty eagle]

Vituralization Based Security

[topaz blaze]

using

[knotty eagle]

Bios

[topaz blaze]

where do i find that using msi creator?

[knotty eagle]

Can try this also in Windows 10

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/68913-enable-disable-device-guard-windows-10-a.html

[topaz blaze]

These help?

[knotty eagle]

Secure Virtual Machine

NO

[topaz blaze]

strange it won't me turn it off

[knotty eagle]

What board?

Did you try the Windows 10 disabling in the OS Itself?

[topaz blaze]

MSI creator

i am looking at some people saying use chipset drivers from mobo makers not amd

[knotty eagle]

Yes, you should

But the VBS is a thing also

I'd try it in Windows 10

[topaz blaze]

yeah going switch drivers real quick and see if helps

is their reason to trust mobo drivers over ones from AMD @knotty eagle ?

[knotty eagle]

Yes. they designed the board

It's their BIOS too

[topaz blaze]

o so its basically like mobo guys validate the driver for their board to work

[knotty eagle]

Yes

They are the ones that choose the features, etc

[topaz blaze]

ok master now works with supplied mobo drivers strange

[knotty eagle]

Sweet!

now that it's working you can do your clocks again

[topaz blaze]

Is this bad? @burnt goblet @knotty eagle

thats full coverage io

aio

[knotty eagle]

Can't read

I'm assuming 80c?

[topaz blaze]

its 86c

[knotty eagle]

Limit is 95

what kind of load is that?

[topaz blaze]

full blender

[knotty eagle]

Ah

[topaz blaze]

cpu

[knotty eagle]

so not realistic

Synthetic

Try for real world useage

Unless that's how you're using it

[topaz blaze]

you think manual ocing is worth it over pbo?

yeah i use blender for 6-12hrs a day

[knotty eagle]

I'd let PBo do it's thing honestly. Also, what AIO?

[topaz blaze]

enermax 360

[knotty eagle]

AIO pump speed and fan curve?

[topaz blaze]

i think fans are auto or balance whatever msi calls it

pump is max

[knotty eagle]

Does the app show coolant temp?

[topaz blaze]

no

[knotty eagle]

Hmmm

I have my EVGA fan speed set to coolant temps

[topaz blaze]

i idea at 42c-46c

ideal

[knotty eagle]

Yeah, I'd try PBO and see if it improves

And try setting a custom fan curve

[topaz blaze]

https://gyazo.com/b4729a28411946ee209bc6c2ce53ce10

that was with pbo

i am wondering if msi is setting the bios voltage to high

un load its like 1.34v

my enermax is rated for 500w

@knotty eagle i think i leave it at stock for moment

[knotty eagle]

Yeah

[topaz blaze]

at stock i reached like 67c according to hwinfo

[knotty eagle]

Not impressed with the Liqtech. Keep a CLOSE eye on it. Even the V2 has issues

Forget everything HWInfo told you

[topaz blaze]

yeah its plac holder

i am waiting for 420 aio that asus showed

with full coverage

[knotty eagle]

indeed

[topaz blaze]

had like 700w+ heat distpation lol

[knotty eagle]

I mean, according to Ryzne you'er what, 350 watts?

that's a lot of heat

[topaz blaze]

with pbo enable its like 420w

[knotty eagle]

WOOF

Pushing that 500 watt limit

[topaz blaze]

thats why all trx40 boards have dual 8 pins need it

[knotty eagle]

You might consider pulling the CPU block and checking your paste coverage also

If you didn't do it the first time

[topaz blaze]

yeah i might put some more on

[knotty eagle]

Check coverage pattern

[topaz blaze]

i had pasted it all on cpu

manual pasted

[knotty eagle]

Of course but it's always good to check the coverage pattern after you apply

Especially with a huge heatspreader like TR has

Also to check and see if the cooling plate is straight and not warped

[topaz blaze]

yeah i might do it after running blender one more time at stock

cooler was brand new

[knotty eagle]

Well, they can be defective

I never assume that something new is perfect

[topaz blaze]

yeah i have noctua d14 tr4 version as backup but i don't think it will do the job

[knotty eagle]

Not at 400 Watts

JayZ just did an air machine with a 3960x and a Dark Rock TR4

[topaz blaze]

thats why i wished noctua would make a d15 or d16

[knotty eagle]

pretty impressive temps

[topaz blaze]

yeah i saw it

he using 3960x so i expected lower temps anyway

[knotty eagle]

SLightly

[topaz blaze]

this error is so annoying

sometimes the app work and some times its wont

i have s2 so in long run i might invest in a loop from EK too

thinking that be my best bet

@knotty eagle you think it would best opition?

[knotty eagle]

Custom loop and pump is always a good option if you're up for it

I just can't trust that Enermax after all the issues

Even Version II has issues supposedly

[topaz blaze]

yeah i heard gen 2 only lasted like a year so i am hoping asus 420 modal comes to market soon

@knotty eagle you think noctua make a new coolers for tr4?

[knotty eagle]

Hard to say. TR4 is a niche socket

[topaz blaze]

ahh

i wonder who will be one finally make best cooler for TR

[knotty eagle]

The Dark Rock was impressive. but IMO, liquid is the way to go for that kind of wattage

[topaz blaze]

yeah i think once astek gets that 420 aio to market we see best temps @knotty eagle

[knotty eagle]

Curious to see how the AIO pump can handle that much liquid

My EVGA 360 does well on my 3700x but....TR is a whole nother animal

[topaz blaze]

maybe they using modifed d5 pump in aio

but yeah TR is pain to cool @knotty eagle

going put more paste on and send you a pic if that ok @knotty eagle?

[knotty eagle]

Check the pattern for coverage, ya

[topaz blaze]

@knotty eagle I sent pm

[wary wadi]

@topaz blaze

[topaz blaze]

Not made for tr4

[wary wadi]

My bad, sorry about that.

I'm too poor for the tr4😂

[topaz blaze]

np

[viral fjord]

so i bought these used fans yesterday and they worked great yesterday

but today they're rattling really loudly

does that mean they're about to die

[knotty eagle]

Did you top mount them>

[kind apex]

do they even out after a few minutes?

[viral fjord]

yeah they just did

went from rattling at idle to normal at full load

after like 10 minutes

one of them is at the back of the top panel and one is at the bottom of the front panel @knotty eagle

[kind apex]

my stupid 80mm corsair ones do that

[viral fjord]

I just bought them so I should be able to return them if they're dying

[knotty eagle]

I've had fans do it mounted upside down for exhaust and just put them at the frton

[viral fjord]

is that just normal for corsair fans then

RPM looked normal even while rattling

I turned on my PC and walked down the hall to get some water and I could hear it rattling from the middle of the stairs

[kind apex]

its because they arent balanced

[viral fjord]

balanced?

[kind apex]

sometimes cleaning the fan blades can stop it

but sometimes its just loose

[viral fjord]

I just cleaned them as thoroughly as I could yesterday

isopropyl alcohol and compressed air

they were pretty dusty on arrival since they were bought used

[kind apex]

like some dust stuck to one blade can throw off the balance

and even cleaning them could mess up the balance if you take some off some parts but not others

[viral fjord]

should I return or is it just standard stuff

I can pull them out and try cleaning again

[kind apex]

I would say pretty standard especially if used they arent going to just up and die on you from that

[viral fjord]

my compressed air was running out yesterday so I was pretty conservative with its use

but I got a new can now

[kind apex]

make sure you turn them off prior to cleaning

[viral fjord]

I'll pull them out and blast them a lot more lol

oh of course I will take them out of the system entirely and clean them over the sink

if I blast them inside the case they'll get dust on my other components

[kind apex]

and when you spray them put a finger on the middle of the fan so you dont push on the mount

[viral fjord]

sadly it will have to wait until I am home from class and done with hw

how much force should I hold it with

just enough to stop it from spinning?

or just light touch

[kind apex]

just a finger light touch

[viral fjord]

ok

I'll wear gloves too

[kind apex]

they can spin just dont let it come towards the finger

barley touch

it is annoying though

I'll give you that I am planning on replacing my 80mm that does that soon

mines just loose

[viral fjord]

mine are very tightly screwed in

i made sure yesterday

cant budge it at all

or do you mean the fan blades are loose

[kind apex]

where my blades attach to motor is loose

[viral fjord]

oh

[kind apex]

yeah not the mounting

if you can touch a blade and it wobbles thats the problem

still works just annoying when it first turns on

[viral fjord]

well i'll update you later tonight

for now i have to get to my homework

no time to open up my pc

[kind apex]

lol ok

[viral fjord]

on the bright side loud case fans will no longer be a problem if i die from calc 3 first

[chrome cedar]

true

[hidden mural]

noctua NH-U12S: $59.99 - noctua NH-U12S chromax black: $69.99

[low pumice]

10$ for black...

not worth imo

[hidden mural]

i'm laughing because i know people who will pay for this

because i mean if you want the real RGB aesthetic noctua's air coolers are nearing the price of RGB AIOs

[low pumice]

D15 beige gang

Noctua is getting close to like apple I just hope they keep making good, quality, top of the line stuff

[hidden mural]

D15 is too much for my motherboard, it would cover my RAM

that's why i'm looking at the U12S

[low pumice]

D15 covers my new ram

But then I remove 1 fan

It all good

[hidden mural]

i'm guessing the U12S is going to be leagues ahead of the hyper 212 evo

considering it costs twice as much

[low pumice]

Should be

Tho cooling has diminishing returns

[hidden mural]

i'm feeling apprehensive about the noctua mounting mechanism though

yeah my hyper T2 just isn't cutting it

unless i surround it in fans then it might

[low pumice]

I was running my 2700 off a d15 xD

[hidden mural]

lol

i should've gotten a big motherboard and case so i could D15 with the best of them

[low pumice]

I mean wdym big mobo

[hidden mural]

like full ATX

[low pumice]

Ahh

[hidden mural]

i have ITX

this is why i can't D15

[low pumice]

I was gonna be like you dont need eATX for d15

[hidden mural]

it will cover my entire motherboard

[low pumice]

Since most ppl go atx

I gotcha

[buoyant mirage]

Would the dark rock pro 4 be better than the nzxt m22?

[knotty eagle]

Yes

[buoyant mirage]

Or even the Corsair h115i

[knotty eagle]

H115i would be comparable or slightly better

[burnt goblet]

@hidden mural remind me of your mainboard model again

[buoyant mirage]

Dark rock pro 4 is it. 😁

[knotty eagle]

For the money, you bet

[hidden mural]

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf @burnt goblet

[burnt goblet]

oh yes, that one

[buoyant mirage]

Is it going to fit in the icue 220t?

[knotty eagle]

Yes

[buoyant mirage]

Solid

[hidden mural]

i feel like an NH-D15 isn't going to work for that 😅

[knotty eagle]

It'll fit just about any mid tower or full tower

[buoyant mirage]

It's a compact mid tower I hope it fits

[hidden mural]

well i missed a screw on my motherboard when i earlier installed it so i'm gonna take my CPU cooler out and do the screw and then replace it

[buoyant mirage]

I don't care for the noise. I don't wanna keep my wife awake or I'd get the NH-D15 in black.

[burnt goblet]

@hidden mural what exactly is it that you think makes it so that the NH-D15 wont fit on your board?

[hidden mural]

it will cover up RAM slots

[burnt goblet]

D15s exists for a reason

[hidden mural]

and also it will need to be removed for any modification to be made

what is D15s

[burnt goblet]

https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-d15s

[hidden mural]

i like this cooler

i will consider it

i'm going to do the surgery i must do on my computer though now

[hidden mural]

oh i see

so D15s might be a problem

i finally have all my motherboard screws in, of course this was a concern

was missing one

and we've got a stud for the fourth

explains why i had 7 of one type of screw

i'm gonna AFK though

[hidden mural]

hmm

i considered the U12S

because i figure that'll help RAM clearance

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf

i'm thinking about an AIO but it's like

super expensive cooling solution for an equally priced (cheap) CPU

i don't have tall RAM

and i don't intend to get it

i have 2nd gen ryzen so i only need 3200 so i can go 3200/cl16

i can get some g.skill without heat spreaders

if it's good RAM i can OC it to 3600

[topaz blaze]

mine is 3600mhz

gskill

[hidden mural]

3600MT/s is good for third generation ryzen

[topaz blaze]

3700x

[hidden mural]

yeah, that would be it

[topaz blaze]

thats what i ordered

i think ripjaw or something like that

[hidden mural]

i'll buy a 3900X when they hit $300 later after the gen 4 reveal

[topaz blaze]

yep ripjaw v

2x16

32gigs total

[hidden mural]

it's gonna happen Nomad

as an early adopter you have to have been aware

what's wrong

it's on the CPU support list for my BIOS revision

my motherboard doesn't PBO

also what exactly is the VRM issue

i've always wondered what the actual issue is

missing a decent chunk?

[knotty eagle]

Anything 3700x and up without PBO is pointless

[low pumice]

Welll

I'm liking no PBO for benchmarking

Higher scores by just all core oc

[knotty eagle]

Wanna know something?

You can set PBO to all core clock

without hardly any work

And no manual overclocking

[low pumice]

It does but it boosts

So not constant all core

[knotty eagle]

yes

Constant on all core

I've tested and confirmed

[low pumice]

I'll look into it

[knotty eagle]

3700x, 4.3 ghz all core clock, PBO

[low pumice]

I did get 4.4ghz all core manual on my 3800x, not stable tho xD

[knotty eagle]

Right

Let PBo do the work

[low pumice]

I can get 4.3ghz all core manual easily

And 4.35 is stable at like 1.45v

But I like having 4.3 all core 1.35v

[knotty eagle]

I just clicked a couple settings and went 4.3 all core. The trick is to set PBO to a 200MHZ beyond the spec'd top speed

OC Mode: utio Overclock

[low pumice]

Its just nice for me to just not mess with pbo settings

[knotty eagle]

Boost Override: 200 mhz

Instant all core clock

[low pumice]

Wait, you talking bios pbo or ryzen master

[knotty eagle]

BIOS

[low pumice]

Yea no those settings arnt there last I checked

[knotty eagle]

What board?

[low pumice]

B450 gaming pro carbon ac

Latest bios

[knotty eagle]

Ah, that's why

IMHO, 3700X and up should be X570

At that price range, no reason not ot

[low pumice]

It has pbo in bios, no extra settings tho.

[knotty eagle]

to

[low pumice]

I was upgrading CPU. Had the mobo beforehand.

[knotty eagle]

PBO features

[low pumice]

Yea

I agree with plusnomad

Also sidenote the plan WAS for a 3600x

[knotty eagle]

3600 on B450 is fine. If you have the budget for a 3700x or more, a good x570 Mobo is only $30 more than a good B450

Literally no reason not to

[low pumice]

As I said, owned the mobo beforehand

[knotty eagle]

I know that

I'm talking new builds

[low pumice]

Ah

Thought that was directed at me :p

[knotty eagle]

Lol, your usertag is entertaining

[low pumice]

Yea

[knotty eagle]

Ok, back to cleaning house

Guests are coming lol

My desk and office hacen't been this clean in a year

[buoyant mirage]

https://www.amazon.com/DEEP-COOL-Assassin-III-Technology/dp/B07T4FNXWD/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?keywords=dark+rock+pro+4&qid=1579378094&sprefix=dark+rock+pro+&sr=8-6

https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Dark-Rock-BK022-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?keywords=dark+rock+pro+4&qid=1579378276&sprefix=dark+rock+pro+&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-D15-chromax-Black-Dual-Tower-Cooler/dp/B07Y3CTQNT/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=dark+rock+pro+4&qid=1579378276&sprefix=dark+rock+pro+&sr=8-3

Out of the 3 in your opinion which should I get to replace my m22

[knotty eagle]

I'd say Dark Rock

Good performance, not as expensive as the Noctua

[buoyant mirage]

10 dollars

[knotty eagle]

Yeah bvut $10 is $10

[buoyant mirage]

D15 is 10 more

[knotty eagle]

Same performance essentially

[buoyant mirage]

He's right you know.

[low pumice]

Well, noctua fans are usually regarded as some of the best

And ppl like noctua mounting mechanism.

Idk about drp4 mounting mechanism

Ah. I think its just small benefits for Noctua, overall DRP4 is better price to perf

[buoyant mirage]

I also have a 10 dollar gift card so it's going to make both even cheaper.

I like how the deepcool one looks but like the performance of the noctua fans.

[low pumice]

I'm just a :noctua:

^the reason why I want a :noctua:

[buoyant mirage]

Do the Corsair ll fans rpm better than the sp ones.

[knotty eagle]

RPm is kinda irrelevant. CFM is what you need to look at

[buoyant mirage]

I mucked that all up. Well that's my next question.

[knotty eagle]

Noctua fans 88.7 cubic meters per hour

Dark Rock fans

101.09

[low pumice]

Cfm is cubic feet per minute??

[knotty eagle]

yes

[low pumice]

"Cubic meters per hour"

[knotty eagle]

Yes, that's another rating

Noctua didn't have that

so I used equal measurements

[buoyant mirage]

I have those as intake and exhaust fans.

[knotty eagle]

that's fine

52 CFM is a healthy number

[buoyant mirage]

Don't know why Corsair says they are not icue compatible when in fact they are 🤣

[low pumice]

Ohh

lemme just quickly

So noctua is 1.925 cubic meter per minute

and so this much cfm

lemme go drp4

[knotty eagle]

Well, don't need an exact number, only which one flows more air. With the Quiet Kit, noctua flows less. WIthout, it flows more. D15 comes with Quiet Kit fans.

[low pumice]

and the silent wings fan are

@knotty eagle I know, but I wouldn't use it, Its silent for me without the quiet kit

[burnt goblet]

and unless there is more info, that is a useless info tidbit @low pumice

[low pumice]

yea

[burnt goblet]

(the picture you linked)

[knotty eagle]

They're quieter than the Noctua also

[low pumice]

which one

[knotty eagle]

Noctua is 24 DB or something

[burnt goblet]

a delta fan at 10k rpm is also 15db IF you are far enough away

[low pumice]

lol

Its all relative tbh

[burnt goblet]

but that IS what that picture is saying.

no distance = not useful

[low pumice]

which picture xd

I thought we were talking CFM

[burnt goblet]

the silent wing fans

[low pumice]

https://www.amazon.com/quiet-BL067-SILENTWINGS-1000RPM-59-5CFM/dp/B01JMEMAE8

[knotty eagle]

Well, if you can find a fan manufacturer that lists distance in their DB ratings, go ahead.

[burnt goblet]

not saying there is any Bekora, i am saying that info needs context in general, for it to be talked about in a productive way

[knotty eagle]

Well, scroll up for context. 😉

[low pumice]

Naed I think you might've misunderstood my pic

[burnt goblet]

no, i am just commenting on the dba part of it

[low pumice]

I wasnt trying to put focus onto the noise lol

Ahhh

[burnt goblet]

not the cfm part

[low pumice]

Just got confused

[knotty eagle]

Well, all you can go by is what the manufacturers say, thus, we do

[burnt goblet]

re: dba: bekora, you could also go by what is tested by trusted reviewers :)

[buoyant mirage]

Gamers Nexus.

[manic tusk]

I just installed my new cooler master hyper 212 evo black edition and my pc won’t give any video out from either of my graphics cards

I’m about to genuinely punch a hole through my entire pc

[burnt goblet]

mainboard model?

[manic tusk]

ASUS x570 I don’t know the model

[burnt goblet]

where are you connecting the monitor?

[manic tusk]

I tried my rx 580 and my gtx 1050

And neither work

Now my pc isn’t even turning on

[burnt goblet]

did you flip the power switch on the psu?

[manic tusk]

It doesn’t have one

[burnt goblet]

normal reasons for this is that you "nudged" something loose while doing the change of coolers

[manic tusk]

Nope just checked and everything is plugged in

Nothing is disconnected at all

[burnt goblet]

if you are 100% certain that everything is as it should be. You are out of luck.

Or you could take a breath, count to 10 and go back and do it one more time.

[manic tusk]

I’m very quick to anger

I got it, I don’t know how but I did.

I’m very quick to anger

[burnt goblet]

:)

[manic tusk]

Thanks @burnt goblet

[burnt goblet]

you are very welcome @manic tusk :)

[hidden mural]

think i'm buying this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N9X2YYN/

not immediately, probably a month ahead

also i have a tendency to become really anxious in a PC build when there are problems

because my money is limited and i can't just fix an error by RMA and then replacement

if i've bought a lot of PC parts chances are i lack the necessary things to return it

[buoyant mirage]

If I buy something from Newegg on eBay will I still get the rebate?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Corsair-Hydro-Series-H100x-Extreme-Performance-Liquid-Water-240mm-CPU-Cooler/292948512708?epid=11019925008&hash=item4435178fc4:g:tTsAAOSwsJ1c48c6

[cold island]

pretty sure you dont but not 100% sure

[idle tiger]

It's hard to quantify "fan noise level"

TL;DR absolute sound pressure level doesn't always match observed "loudness" or "annoying -ness" of a fan's sound profile

[hidden mural]

you'll hear a high resistance static pressure fan blowing through the rad

on an AIO that's a bit loud

but i've found most of the time unless you keep like tons of fans in a case, modern fans are inaudible (unless they are either sucking air through small vents or doing so through an AIO's rad

[pliant basin]

was wondering what watercooling to go with i am looking at this one

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07JFR2P51/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AFRUWVWO3UJ63&psc=1

[topaz blaze]

What waterblock would fit the ASUS blower GTX 1080?

[knotty eagle]

https://www.primochill.com/products/bykski-n-as1080ti-turbo-x-full-coverage-gpu-water-block-clear-n-as1080ti-turbo-x

[pliant basin]

what would cause my computer games to flash to a black screen for a little bit and then come back and show the game

it only happens when i play a game never does it when i am doing anything else

[idle tiger]

TBH - for a reference pcb 1080 - you only have to block the die - I'm about to do just that.
Zip tie fan + IC heat sinks for the vrm/mem

But for less aesthetically offensive bulids - bekora's suggestion fits well

[wary wadi]

Are there any advantages to going with an AIO as opposed to something like a Dark Rock Pro or Noctua nd15?

[river gorge]

looks

[idle tiger]

Zack's approval

[wary wadi]

So I can assume, except for extreme overclocking, the thermal benefits are negligible?

[cold island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qntVQmLHDhI

[wary wadi]

@cold island thank you, that was very informative.

[copper patrol]

yees

aios have my approval

but on a serious note- they look better and you dont have to worry about ram clearance

but i have to admit, air coolers do provide the same performance for a lot cheaper

[knotty eagle]

Also, they take the heat and just straight put it outside the case

Keeps case temps inside down

[copper patrol]

^

[silent scarab]

What’s the best air cooler for cpu

[knotty eagle]

Depends on the CPU

For something like a 3700x, Scythe Mugen Rev B, Noctua D14/15. For something low power, Deepcool GAMMAX 400

[silent scarab]

I5-9600k

[knotty eagle]

I'd throw a Scythe Mugen at it

Unless you want RGB

[silent scarab]

I had an Aio in mind

At first

But it’s 140

USD

[merry crown]

@sharp zinc

[knotty eagle]

AIO's are fine too

SOmething like a Corsair 100 or 115

[sharp zinc]

lol why post that here

[silent scarab]

I was gonna get the Corsair H100i rgb platinum

[knotty eagle]

that would be good also

[silent scarab]

Still thinking about it

[knotty eagle]

Either or would work great

[silent scarab]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tysfhg

That’s what I have

[cold island]

Tweaked it a little if u don’t need nvenc https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bjZCDx

[silent scarab]

I’m gaming on 1080p

I feel like the rx 5700xt isn’t for 1080p

[zealous ice]

Are there any good downdrafting AM4 coolers that don't interfere with RAM slots?

[merry crown]

Wrath Prism

[zealous ice]

can you buy those separately? my 12nm 1600 came with a Wraith Stealth

[merry crown]

https://www.newegg.com/p/13C-009Y-00013?Description=wrath prism&cm_re=wrath_prism-_-9SIAGTUAS71502-_-Product

[zealous ice]

these modern RGB enabled coolers have so many extra cables, why don't mobo designers just design a backward compatible single connector...

[late cove]

hi

Something doesn't match up

[knotty eagle]

HW monitor is poop

Use HWINfo instead

[late cove]

how do I check the temps

from that

[knotty eagle]

HWInfo?

Is this AMD or Intel?

[low pumice]

@knotty eagle they got a 2600

[knotty eagle]

Ah

[low pumice]

(ryzen)

[knotty eagle]

use Ryzen Master for temps then

[low pumice]

had to look in chat logs to see what he had lol

[idle tiger]

coretemp for lite client, hwifo64 / aida64 for comprehensive sensor suite / same + bench suite

[burnt goblet]

@idle tiger you certain you are scrolled all the way down?

[idle tiger]

kinda - tbh - you guys are usually spot on, I just like to add info - ya, ryzen master is great these days

Core temp is my go-to for OC live monitoring, super light weight

[burnt goblet]

was not doubting your input mate, was just curious :)

people have been having discord go wonky (more than usual) recently :)

[idle tiger]

Oh ya ,I mean, sometimes I read something an hour old and it's well resolved by then

[proper hollow]

Adata out here with garbage thermal designs

[viral fjord]

yo does anyone know of any decent RGB fans that use 12V RGB headers like the ones on MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX and come in either 1 pack or 2 pack

and work with mystic light

probably sticking to non RGB case fans but wanna see options

all the RGB case fans I've seen so far are 5V ARGB

[viral fjord]

deepcool RF120 looks great but only comes in 3 packs

[topaz blaze]

asiahorse makes good fans

i got a 6 pack for $60

[viral fjord]

I only want 2

think I'll just get some non RGB noctua nf-p12 redux 1700 pwm fans

anyone own those?

[low pumice]

I do.

They're nice

(The gray 120mm noctua fans correct? Don't quite remember the model number)

[viral fjord]

yeah

[supple sigil]

what should idle/max temps be for a liquid cooled 8700k? i had a peak of like 76 and dont know if somethings wrong

[topaz blaze]

@supple sigil you have to be more specific

What cooler do you have and what fans and fan rpm

But 76 isnt too bad either way

[supple sigil]

corsair h60

the single fan

[topaz blaze]

76 is reasonable then

[supple sigil]

ok

it jumps up to 80

when should i be worried

[topaz blaze]

85 to 90

[supple sigil]

kk

[placid latch]

If anyone needs any help with HVAC just @ me

[jagged umbra]

@placid latch do you know of any good cheap coolers that could keep an Intel I5 8600k, Overclocked to 4.2GHz below throttling temps?

[placid latch]

I mean like refrigeration but you could just have an open case with nice air flow and that should be fine

[topaz blaze]

what's cheap

cuz something like a CM 212 should be fine for that

[topaz blaze]

Is 35c cool for the ryzen 3700x

[azure crown]

Idle?

Or with a load

[topaz blaze]

Idle

[merry crown]

its normal

[topaz blaze]

Load It’s gotten up to 65

Lowest 34

[merry crown]

Worry when it is 100c+ on load

[topaz blaze]

100? I'd say anything above 80 for gaming loads is reason to look for bad mounting or inadequate cooling

If its hitting 100* that's a major problem

[low pumice]

Yea

I see my 3800x at like ~55c while gaming.

~60 during benchmarks

[manic tusk]

Can anyone find me a super cheap cooler for lga1150? It’s for a 54 watt cpu I’m gonna give to my cuzo for gaming.

[low pumice]

212evo can be good, mugen rev b for a bit higher and better if you want.

[manic tusk]

I personally have a hyper 212 evo be

But it costs too much for a 50 w cpu lol

[burnt goblet]

@merry crown, @topaz blaze max temp on the 3700x is listed as 95c.

[calm gale]

What is the best thermal paste

For the cpu

[regal plaza]

Budget?

[calm gale]

I already got a cooler but not the thermal paste

Doesn’t matter

[regal plaza]

Thermal grizzly kryonaut

Think thats the name

Its good

[knotty eagle]

Yup. Or Arctic SIlver MX4

[regal plaza]

Hey bekora

Sup

[knotty eagle]

Sup

[idle tiger]

MX-4 is one of the best choices for "what paste should I get" imo - it's low viscosity makes it nearly impossible to apply "incorrectly".

1 or two lines down the middle for intel, X with dots for amd are convention.

[placid latch]

Yeah mx4 has been great for me mine doesn't even hit 38

[cold island]

anyone good with custom loops? Try to finish a build, need fittings/pump advice, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pRc3HB

here’s what I’m basing it off of https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/dni939/triple_radiator_cerberusx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[urban sluice]

that looks like car stuff

xD

[cold island]

its a hella crazy build

wanna see how much it'd cost :v

[regal plaza]

Yeah you could get the same performance for like 500 less

And i wouldnt personally recommend an open loop on a build this nic if its your first time

[cold island]

no no I’m not buying it

just putting a build together

[manic tusk]

My i3 is running at 78c how is that even possible

Intel makes the most pathetic cookers

[regal plaza]

Sorry

[hidden mural]

cookers

i chortled

[urban sluice]

78c

yay

60c already worrys me on cpu haha xD

[low pumice]

Slap on a nh-d15
That solves nearly all cooling problems

Including GPU cooling

[manic tusk]

My Ryzen 5 vibes at 50 under a stress test

Usually 40 while gaming

Yeah running r20 it gets to.... 54 running at 3.85 ghz

26 idle

[worn trail]

yo

i need some help deciding on a cooler for my nzxt h510 build

[covert hull]

2700 right?

[worn trail]

yea

https://www.newegg.com/cooler-master-masterliquid-ml240l-rgb-liquid-cooling-system/p/2YM-0004-00015 im thinking of this but idk

Front: 2 x 140 or 2 x 120mm with Pull Rear: 1 x 120mm

thats the radiator support

[covert hull]

if you dont plan on OCing, the stock cooler will be fine. Otherwise, ive heard the gammaxx 400 is a good budget option, the scythe mugen 5 rev B is a good middle ground, and the nh-d15 is a good high end option

[worn trail]

on the case

[covert hull]

oh you want to water cool?

[worn trail]

yea

[covert hull]

oh ok

[worn trail]

some cheap aios

that have nice rgb

[covert hull]

do you want rgb on just the part that attaches to the cpu or on the fans too

[worn trail]

both

i wanna have a rgb full pc

lol

[covert hull]

ok and do you have a size you want

[worn trail]

but im gonna set it to red anyway

uhh im new to water cooling so idk

[covert hull]

or just any of those

[worn trail]

options?

[covert hull]

how much do you want to spend?

[worn trail]

near 100

50-100 i guess

actually i just remembered i think on planning on replacing the fans with different ones

so i don think it matters if i get non rgb fans

ill just replace them

[covert hull]

ok

i would probably go for the https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XWYY83S?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 as cheaper AIOs dont have great reviews

[worn trail]

thats fine its only a bit over100

but would it fit in my case

[covert hull]

and the last thing you want is water on your parts

[worn trail]

the h510

[covert hull]

should fit on the front

[worn trail]

thats 240mm

that h510 on amazon says Front: 2 x 140 or 2 x 120mm with Pull Rear: 1 x 120mm

[covert hull]

ya you said the front had support for 2x120 right?

[worn trail]

yea

[covert hull]

ya

[worn trail]

oh

[covert hull]

120 * 2 is 240

there are 120 mm for cheaper if you want one of those

[worn trail]

naw

how would setting it up work

would i just slap it on the cpu and the radiator on the front and boom

and it says pull

what does that mean

do i need to put distilled water in it?

[covert hull]

no it already has everything in it

[worn trail]

oh

cool

[covert hull]

so ya you just put it on your cpu and screw it in to the mb, then screw it in to the front of the case

here is if you want a 120mm one
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079JF6NDC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

[worn trail]

that looks a bit weird

im just gonna go with240mm

[covert hull]

ok

[worn trail]

what wires would i need to plug in for this to work

and where

[covert hull]

its for the 120mm version but it should be the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CWOsegGPqs

just might have more screws

[modern crater]

So I have the Phanteks 400A digital. It has the 3 pin rgb 5v rgb cable to connect to my mobo. However, my mobo only has 12v 4 pin headers for rgb. I got LL 120 3 kit fans though so I have 6 fans. This comes with the Lightning node pro and fgb fan hubs.

Is there a way for me to connect my Phanteks rgb fans to the Corsair rgb hub?

[manic tusk]

no

I don’t think it’d like deliver enough power

[modern crater]

@manic tusk the hub supports up to 6 fans 5v. Both my corsair fans and phanteks fans are 5v

[manic tusk]

The internet people say no, it doesn’t work

[azure crown]

So like, when I clean out my new radiators, do I need to shake them with water inside, or is just running water through em good enough

[remote canyon]

I am looking for a good budget cpu cooler

To overclock my 3600

[acoustic scarab]

cooler master hyper 212 evo

$34

there's also like a chinese ripoff version of it that I can't recall the name of it rn that's the same thing for even a tad cheaper

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-Heatpipes-Universal-GAMMAXX-400/dp/B007JEMXYQ/?tag=akshatblog198-20

[remote canyon]

Is it a good one?

The hyper 212 evo

[pallid kindle]

It's a good tight budget cooler

[remote canyon]

But I have a 40$ budget are there not better options for the 40$

[pallid kindle]

I don't know much about CPU coolers, all I know is that the Hyper 212 Evo is a good decent option

[acoustic scarab]

for $40 yeah that's about it then

[remote canyon]

Is the ML240L RGB

A good liq cooler

[acoustic scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_VCwIfGmg not that bad, apparently

[remote canyon]

Okay thx

[remote canyon]

Will it fit in a q300l

[azure crown]

Yes it will fit @remote canyon

[regal plaza]

A u12s is overkill for a 3600X right

[remote canyon]

Thx

[azure crown]

What is a u12s?

[regal plaza]

Noctua?

[azure crown]

Oh, a CPU cooler

[regal plaza]

Ys

[azure crown]

The stock cooler is fine if your on a tight budget

[regal plaza]

No im not

[azure crown]

Then don't worry about getting an overkill cooler, whatever extra thermal headroom you purchase gives overclocking potential

Plus, it is a 95w tdp component

So it might be a good idea

[regal plaza]

And its not worth the x right

[azure crown]

Yeah

[regal plaza]

Mk

[azure crown]

The non x is only 65w tdp

[regal plaza]

Its only 20$ more rn....

[burnt goblet]

depends on what you plan to do in general

[azure crown]

Oh really

[burnt goblet]

IF you dont plan to OC, i would say the X is worth it

it IS faster afterall

[azure crown]

From what I've seen, the extra 20 is worth it

[burnt goblet]

it depends heavily on budget

[regal plaza]

Usually its like 50 more

From what ive seen

[burnt goblet]

the original MSRP difference (as in, the launch) price was 50usd

[topaz blaze]

Is water cooling difficult to manage?

[hollow panther]

Aio or custom loop

Custom loops require occasional maintenance but are very effective

Aio’s don’t really need anything

[acoustic scarab]

custom loops can provide the best cooling possible, but are super expensive and look like a real hassle, really

AIOS, badda bing badda boom

[hollow panther]

Yup

Or an nhd-15

[merry crown]

@topaz blaze AIO's you just have to clean the fans and rad but for custom water loops you do have to replace the water i think every 6 months to a year

[topaz blaze]

That's not too bad at all. Are they worth the price?

[merry crown]

Really depends on your system really

there are some air coolers that would perform just as good as a AIO

[topaz blaze]

I haven't yet tried overclocking. I have 4 RGB fans

The CPU usually remains at around 33c

[acoustic scarab]

iirc there's a slew of air coolers that perform better than water coolers

and in terms of price:performance, the majority of air coolers win

[topaz blaze]

I see.

[acoustic scarab]

the only downside to some air coolers is ram clearance, pretty much

[topaz blaze]

I had the perspective that water cooling was a neat premium that dedicated builders used, not the average joe

but to be fair, the average joe doesn't own a gaming pc

[burnt goblet]

if talking about custom loops? yes.

aio's are fairly overrated, which fits nicely with the lack of understanding a fair amount of people have about the cooling needs they have.

[acoustic scarab]

but they are ever so pretty

[burnt goblet]

when you have an AIO in a system, with a price equal or very close to the cpu price ... something has gone VERY wrong.

[acoustic scarab]

that's true premium 360's are like $300 regularly

[burnt goblet]

was more thinking of the slew of 240/280rads with rainbow barf that get paired with 2600's

[hollow panther]

Yeah

That’s stupid

[sharp zinc]

i wasnt planning to do that to my 2600

nope not me

no way

hides

[hollow panther]

I have a gammax 400 on my pbo’d 2600 and it has great temps

And the cooler is like $20

[burnt goblet]

again, it is fine IF you want it. but you (general you) do not NEED it.

[regal plaza]

Hey whats the best cooler for a 3600 besides stock

Thats also reasonable

[sharp zinc]

lol i want it because i dont like the way most air coolers look

[hollow panther]

The best? Or a recommendation

[regal plaza]

Recommendation

[burnt goblet]

nh-12 is a fair one

[sharp zinc]

like i much prefer the look of the stock 2600 air cooler to most

[burnt goblet]

imo

[regal plaza]

not tryna custom watercool a 2070s 3600

[burnt goblet]

the stock is very good @sharp zinc

especially when compared to the intel side of things

[sharp zinc]

but i also want to OC my 2600 so ima get an aio

[regal plaza]

Uhhhh

get the new nzxt aio

has a lcd screen you can out stuff on

only like 250 dollars

[sharp zinc]

only

[hollow panther]

I can see the thumbnails and titles now

“Gaming on my aio’s screen”

CHALLENGE

[regal plaza]

Beautiful

Hey the rog ryujin has one

[magic sparrow]

Do multi monitor with AIO screen and mobo screen (pretty sure one mobo has it)

[quaint anchor]

should I upgrade from the stock cooler on a 3600/

[azure crown]

Nah

Stock cooler good enough at stock speeds

[low pumice]

depends on what u doing

[topaz blaze]

would you guys recommend the NZXT Kraken x53?

[low pumice]

aparently not great

[topaz blaze]

uh oh

[dusty olive]

Ok so I have an RX 580 and a i5 9600k. Why do I have temps that reach above 70 degrees

I even reapplied the thermal paste and I just got this new gpu

[azure crown]

What device hits 70 degrees

[dusty olive]

Both really

I'm thinking about getting a case fan or two

These are my normal temps

those specs you see on the right are from discord nothing to worry about

[azure crown]

Oh, 70C under load is fine.

[copper patrol]

@topaz blaze

if you press the plus you can add more things

heres mine

[topaz blaze]

sweet

[dusty olive]

@azure crown for GPU and CPU?

[dusty olive]

Like at most it goes up to 75

[azure crown]

@dusty olive if the temp goes over 85C for CPU or GPU, start to worry. Otherwise it's fine

[dusty olive]

alrighty

[restive sandal]

So I'm planning on getting Deepcool's 240ex AIO and Im not sure if the Asus Tuff gaming Wifi has the right fan headers for it......so get extra fan headers? btw i do not have the mobo yet

[topaz blaze]

Does anyone have on opinion about the pc cooler moonlights?

[restive sandal]

the case fans??

those fans are great

get them

[topaz blaze]

Yea i will

Super cheap as well

[restive sandal]

and great airflow which matters most

[crisp thunder]

:owoNezukoSlide: :owoNezukoSlide:

[covert hull]

is this list accurate? https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

[desert basalt]

Stock cooler on my i7 6700k was a joke 🤣
Idle load (0-5%) it would jump around a range of 40-55C.
15% load it would be hovering around 60C.
50% around 80C.
Before it would reach 100% it would be thermally throttling 🤣 Re-pasted etc, it was just too small of a cooler assembly. Ordered the CoolerMaster MasterAir MA410M as a replacement. (as I’ve been running around 80% load in gaming the past month or two) I opened up the box last night and the new cooler is nearly 3x the size of the old in air volume, plus has two large fans rather than a tiny one
Whatya think my temps will be? 🤣 I’ll post a side-by-side comparison when I install it

[topaz blaze]

it'll be significant

[acoustic scarab]

CHONK

[cinder berry]

im planning on getting an aio at the front of my case and using the top and back as exhaust which means i will only have the bottom front left for cool intake is that going to mess up my cooling

if anyone can anwser i would be very thankful as its hard finding specifics like this

[deft moth]

depends on the case @cinder berry

[ionic talon]

@topaz blaze is there even a motherboard anywhere under there .. only see cooling lol

[topaz blaze]

how good are these fans https://www.newegg.com/corsair-co-9050040-ww-case-fan/p/N82E16835181112

no, the noctua wasn't mounted to my new build yet

just showing the difference between a "large" cooler and a WTF WHY SO HUGE cooler

weighs over 3lbs with both fans on

there's almost 5lbs, maybe a bit more hanging off my motherboard between that dh15 and my video card lol

[deft moth]

@topaz blaze personally, depending on how many you need, I'd go the Noctua Redux route. Those ML pros are great, I just have a hard time spending THAT much on a single fan. https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm-case-fan/p/1YF-000T-000K3?Description=noctua redux&cm_re=noctua_redux-_-1YF-000T-000K3-_-Product&quicklink=true

[topaz blaze]

these are fan replacements from corsair

because i had the cooler in my system less than a week and the fan already making noise

[deft moth]

sometimes you get a dud

[topaz blaze]

thats what there sending me

the fan was making a ticking sound and its so damn annoying

[deft moth]

but yes, those are very capable fans

[topaz blaze]

thats what corsair said

they said these are our best fans

[deft moth]

that's their magnetic levitation tech

[topaz blaze]

in english

not techenese

[deft moth]

just an upgraded bearing system

that's supposed to increase reliability and lower noise, even at higher RPM's

[topaz blaze]

thank you

[deft moth]

yup yup

[topaz blaze]

so how much better are they compared to the stock fans

[deft moth]

depends on the maker of the case

but generally

[topaz blaze]

i mean the stock fans that came with the cooler

these are going on the radiator

[deft moth]

ahhh okay

[topaz blaze]

one of my radiator fans has a bad fan bearing