old-cooling

[strange flume]

So yeah, start with the other two, see what you get @cerulean falcon

[placid oriole]

kind of a newbie question but I get a ~5c difference in temp readings between what Core Temp and AMD Adrenalin display for my CPU temp, are either of these softwares properly reliable for this or is one just a bit off?

or if there's a better software for this kind of thing def let me know

[fluid lichen]

Hwinfo64 is what people use for more accurate readings

[placid oriole]

Ok neat thank you, I'll check that out later today.

[knotty sparrow]

Both are accurate, they're just reading different sensors. You'll be able to see all of the sensors in hwinfo, as suggested.

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zFwmP6/thermalright-as120-vision-argb-black-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-vision-argb-black

@strange flume

[sacred pagoda]

Is that a screen on top

$33?

Infinity mirror on the fan hub too

Thermalright just can't stop themselves can they

[untold stone]

air cooling ok for the 9800x3d or should I pick up an aio?

[knotty sparrow]

Should be easy to air cool unless you want to dabble with overclocking

A good air cooler is equal to a good 240mm AIO these days

[untold stone]

alright

[weary raft]

Since pretty much like

A good few years ago

[sinful heart]

Scythe fuma my beloved

[knotty sparrow]

It's been overshadowed by thermalright coolers

[coarse herald]

quick question saw this today, https://a.co/d/4m5KLOg

is something like this make a difference to cooling also i cant find one for AM4 if anyone knows one would appreciate it

[sleek fox]

It's been really big for LGA 1700 because of the loading mechanism being screwy
But under AM4 and AM5 you'd only really want to use it if you plan to LN2 overclock or something crazy like that

And even then it's debatable whether it'll change anything really

I'd not bother for AM4/AM5 @coarse herald

[coarse herald]

cool beans

[sleek fox]

Had to double take whether you were talking about Intel or not

[coarse herald]

friend and me are looking for an air cooler and concensus seems to be the peerless assassin

[sleek fox]

Def solid choice

@coarse herald what CPU will it go on?

If you don't mind me asking

Cuz you might be able to get away with less if it's AM5

It depends tho

Like the PA120 is really good

And it can cool most things so it's a worthy buy even if you CAN go cheaper, but ultimately it depends on what you're doing

[coarse herald]

one is a 5600x and the other is a 9800x3d

9800x3d is new so no current the 5600x has the stock cooler it came with

[sleek fox]

It should be plenty for either

[deep aspen]

What would be the most demanding cpus you think the thermalright assassin spirit 120 could cool?

[sleek fox]

Hmmm

Probably 14600K

14700K without OC, maybe

That's my guess anyway

13/14900K(S) is out of the question methinks
There is no sane way of cooling those things

But other than that, 14700K is one I'd probably be wary of trying, but anything less pushy than that and you should be fine

7950X I'm not sure about, but I think it'd do it

[sacred wren]

With fixed power limits id say yeah

[sacred pagoda]

5600x is ok with stock cooler but will be much quieter under a single tower like the thermalright assassin X.

dual tower like peerless assassin or phantom spirit would be better for the 9800x3d

[sacred wren]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Cooler-2000RPM-Screen-Resolution/dp/B0D1JYT6CG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa
@strange flume

[strange flume]

That's the warframe

It's been available in other regions for ages now

Good to see it in US finally tho

That's a good one btw

Not JUST because of the LCD

[deep aspen]

Only because of the LCD ong

[fluid lichen]

warframe?

[opaque pike]

Can anyone let me know if these are normal temps while gaming i just recently build this and just want to know if it's good.

[sacred pagoda]

Looks fine to me

[knotty sparrow]

The spec is up to 100, and 110 on hotspot, anything less than that is fine. You're 20 degrees below the limit.

[harsh crow]

So long as you are not thermal throttling you are good.

Thermal Throttling: when your component overheats so it slows itself down to avoid going over the maximum temperature.

[arctic orbit]

will they make LGA1851 water blocks?

[weary raft]

who

[strange flume]

They already exist

[arctic orbit]

thanks.

[trail osprey]

Recommended gaming laptop cooler?

[weary raft]

The one built into the gaming laptop

The cooling pads for laptops don't lower cpu temps much if at all, though it may make the chassis cooler

If you want to make your laptop run cooler, the ambient temperature needs to be cooler, rather than putting more airflow through

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah pretty much. If you want to actually increase the airflow through the laptop you need to remove the fan and create a duct to a strong blower of some kind so it forces air through the heatsink. Not practical at all. Laptop pads aren't for cooling your laptop, they're for cooling your lap.

[weary raft]

plus it doesnt actually lower temps by much even with a forced air duct, at least back when i tested

if your laptop thermals are bad, and you've been using your laptop for more than a year, it might just mean that your heatsink is clogged with dust and or the die needs a repaste

[knotty sparrow]

Right it's usually still limited by the thermal capacity of the heatsink

[low pumice]

Main advantage of laptop pads is propping it up so the bottom fans of the laptop can get some airflow, you can achieve similar results with just propping up the laptop

[sinful heart]

Is there a difference between the phantom spirit and peerless assasin or is it just more thermalright bloat

[knotty sparrow]

The phantom spirit has an extra heat pipe

[sinful heart]

[knotty sparrow]

So it's a little better at cooling high power chips

[nocturne summit]

is the red number bad or a glitch

[knotty sparrow]

That's bad. It probably means you have bad contact to the cooler. You might want to remount that and make sure to tighten the screws a little at a time in a crossover pattern.

I'm surprised it didn't shut off immediately at that temp

[weary raft]

The average max being higher than the rest of the max temps recorded is kinda interesting lmao

[knotty sparrow]

It's also saying the cores got to 0

[weary raft]

Oh yeah I didn't notice that either

Interesting lmao

[knotty sparrow]

I'd still go with the cooler remount but if that doesn't fix it then you probably should update your BIOS

[nocturne summit]

i think i asked in the past and people said it was a glitch. i didnt build my pc myself so id prolly mess it up even more

[knotty sparrow]

The only way to mess up a bios update is to unplug it while it's running so you could still do that

[nocturne summit]

#general-chat message

i originally had amd adrenalin opened and was looking at the temps in there and then opened hwinfo could that have caused it

[knotty sparrow]

Yes, having multiple things ping the same sensor can cause glitches

[nocturne summit]

ye first noticed it like 7 months ago and stopped monitoring temps so forgot abt it

[plucky elm]

Would the ID-COOLING SL360 78 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler be a good budget option for the ryzen 9800x3d

[sacred wren]

I'd suggest one of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xM3q4p

The sama is only in there for an lcd display option

And there's other heatsink options if you want some

[strange flume]

That AIO looks good

Shame thermalright doesn't have LCD options there yet

FX360 pro also considerable @plucky elm along with Bacca's suggestions

[plucky elm]

ok, thank you

are the SAMA aio's a new product

i havent seen them before

[strange flume]

The LCD one looks new yeah

It'll be super overkill for a 9800X3D anyway

The new architecture has flipped vcache which has made the cpu so much colder

On my own one I idle on windows at 32C and full power, 70C

You could make do with a single tower on these new ones honestly

[plucky elm]

So i could get a way with a smaller aio

[strange flume]

Dual tower was already overkill for last gen and now this gen is much colder

Oh yeah without a doubt

[plucky elm]

Id like to get one with an LCD screen

[strange flume]

You could likely use a stock cooler even

[plucky elm]

So maybe a 280

[sacred wren]

Pretty sure the sama 360 is one of the cheapest lcd aios

Maybe sl240?

[strange flume]

The 7800X3D could run on a stock cooler only 2% slower than on a full aio

[sacred wren]

Clcx 240?

[strange flume]

So yeah, 9800x3d will work just fine with minimal cooling

[strange flume]

Likely

[plucky elm]

i wish the arctic ones had an lcd

[strange flume]

Odds are the LCD ones tho, usually come in cheap with 360

You could get a dual tower with an lcd

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Lqrxr/id-cooling-sl240-78-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-sl240

[strange flume]

That'll work just fine yeah

[sacred wren]

I'd much rather the sama, maybe that's just me tho

$104 for a 240mm feels wrong lol

[plucky elm]

I have really never heard of the sama

[strange flume]

Lol

[sacred wren]

Theyre owned by lian li

[strange flume]

Sama is a Lian Li oem

[plucky elm]

ohhh

[strange flume]

Ya

[plucky elm]

see i didnt know that

[sacred wren]

Nw

[strange flume]

The more you know

They also make budget infinity fans

Get a 3 pack for like 18 bucks instead of 80 from the parent brand

[plucky elm]

damn nice

[strange flume]

Ya

[sacred wren]

Definition of capitalism lmao

Well

Maybe moreso consumerism

[strange flume]

Sama quzao, they're a Chinese based company, they helped make the Lian Li 205m

Done work for fsp, galax, and a couple others

Most of their stuff is available now but go back a couple years you could only buy most of it from taobao/AliExpress/superbuy (Chinese e-stores)

[deep aspen]

Do liquid cooled mITX builds exist?

Lol

And if so how efficient are they

[strange flume]

If there's sufficient airflow available, it's the same to a normal pc more or less a couple* degrees

It's just much more compact, so less dead space for natural ventilation (If any) and also less, I guess it's like the shorthand of CAPE

APE?

Atmospheric potential energy

Within the case itself

Or for easier words, heat

So you have less air that can store less heat

Closer parts to each other cos less volume

And potentially worse airflow on top

But if you can work to those issues well, the difference to a normal liquid loop can be negligible to no different at all

A lot of overclockers don't like this potential deficit though so you'll find any extreme SFF PC's often have external rads instead

[deep aspen]

Damn, really well put together and i appreciate the info. I have temptations for a mitx build in the future so i wanted to know the physics of it

[strange flume]

Np

Yeah the important essentials for ITX is remembering to make as much fit in as small of a footprint you can

It's obvious but

In terms of watercooling it's extremely important

So ways you can reduce your need for extra this and extra that go a really long way

Pump+CPU combos help a ton

As do thick rads with performance fans

[deep aspen]

When you go small the more optimizations and less wiggle room for sure

[strange flume]

Ye

[deep aspen]

That's why i was curious, because i can't really imagine air cooling being that great for high end builds that size

And with power draw like the 5090

[strange flume]

MFF has got the art down pretty well rn for high end these days

SFF still quite tough though yeah

Need very specific parts

[deep aspen]

Medium is what I'm rocking right now and yeah fans are very good for this size lol

I think the amount of fans i can just shove in makes a difference as well

[strange flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l34iX2Li4io&ab_channel=GGFEvents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_t57oKx5C8&ab_channel=GGFEvents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuE6zecoVaI&ab_channel=GGFEvents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukh4M9Wkn78&ab_channel=GGFEvents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjlrEXkrwGo&ab_channel=GGFEvents

Some ideas

Whoa previews

I didn't expect them that big

[deep aspen]

Lol yeah

Might look at a few of those

[strange flume]

[deep aspen]

Its late tho, have a good night lol

[strange flume]

Night lol

[sinful heart]

Bro this is crazy
https://www.samagears.com/products/sama-ps360-cpu-liquid-cooler

Rgb tubes

[sinful heart]

Optimum has some crazy builds fr

[strange wharf]

I learned lately you can refresh the cooling of an AIO by removing the contact plate to help it last longer, but some ppl would say you may not want to do that. What could the repercussions be

[weary raft]

Refreshing the cooling?

[strange wharf]

Yeah draining and replacing it

Just for the sake of helping the AIO last longer

Or mayhaps giving a liquid that provides even better cooling

[knotty sparrow]

This isn't possible on many AIOs, but on the ones where it is, that's actually something that's recommended to do every 3 years or so. You have to be very careful what fluid you use, however, since the wrong one can corrode it all to hell.

Sometimes the manufacturers use the wrong fluid even (looking at you Enermax)

[strange wharf]

Anyone have any air cooler suggestions for an i5 14600? Done some research but I'm curious of y'all suggestions. Hoping for it to have a copper plate, preferably not to cover up the RAM, but I'll take what I can get

[sacred wren]

Basically any dual tower is fine, but the phantom spirit and Peerless assassin are the goto picks

Id cooling a620 i think it is is also solid, and veetro u6 pro

[strange flume]

A620 SE would be fine yeah

$30 pretty solid

[strange wharf]

If I may, fine being acceptible, what would be beyond that?

[strange flume]

Another $16 gets you to "Overkill" territory

No need for that

If you don't like how it looks though, Thermalright sells dual towers for ~$35 with rgb

[strange wharf]

Not too concerned with RGB. I'll worry about looks afterwards

Recently I got a Lian Li liquid cooler for a total of 91 USD because I thought I'd be getting an i9 12900, so I'd guess that's on the side of overkill for an i5 14600

Although knowing my RAM slots aren't covered is a nice addition to it

[strange flume]

Those are nice as long as the pump isn't making any concerning noises like clicking or grinding

Not too bad

[strange wharf]

Actually now that I think of it, you can just remove the fan form the side of the cooler to get to your RAM no?

[strange flume]

Ye

The new gen tower ones are really good at that

[strange wharf]

For an i5 14600, would it make any actual significant heat differences?

[strange flume]

Not really at all

Once you're under the throttle point, you can get a little bit of thermal scaling on intel with velocity boost but when it's truly overkill then you won't really get close to that

So you get the same result minus maybe a few degrees

But no different experience

Velocity boost is a K chip experience btw

14600 doesn't have this iirc

So yeah it's really negligible to no different

[strange wharf]

Interesting

One more question, the fans on an air cooler, are they universal and you can put any fans you would like on it, or is it situational?

[sacred wren]

Universal

[sleek fox]

So long as they're the same size sure

I mean you can put a 120mm fan on a 140mm cooler but it's gonna look kinda ridiculous

[harsh crow]

I just discovered Arctics new server fans with fans.
https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-S12038-4-3-Pack/dp/B0DHV1FKCF?

[weary raft]

the fan cooled fan

[harsh crow]

Apparently there is a 4K and 8K RPM version with static pressure around 11 mmH2O according to this article.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/case-fans/arctic-uses-a-fan-to-cool-another-fan-s12038-4k-120mm-fan-adds-an-extra-fan-in-its-center-to-cool-its-central-shaft

[weary raft]

apparently you can get a dust cofer for the fan

aka just a plug for the fan

oh it's not even a plug

it's just a sticker

[harsh crow]

For reference Google says the standard arctic P12 has a static pressure of about 2.

[harsh crow]

The article had mentioned that.

[weary raft]

probably for the servers that have cpu and gpu cooled by the case fans

[harsh crow]

?

[harsh crow]

I am curious how much better I can cool the liquid in a rad with these fans.

[weary raft]

not by much

[harsh crow]

Note I am moving to Alaska so ambient will be much colder.

[weary raft]

not limited by the static pressure if you're using a p12 already, the fins arent super duper dense on consumer heatsinks

[harsh crow]

Currently 0c in where I will be moving to in Alaska.

Btw my radiator is the LT720 AIO.

[weary raft]

certain types of servers (the type i mentioned for example) need very high static pressure and cfm because the air flows through all the components before being expelled through the back, with only a row of fans for the entire chassis

[harsh crow]

I am currently using P12 ARGB fans on it.

[weary raft]

so it's being ducted through the drives, the cpu heatsinks, ram packages, and gpu heatsinks (if applicable)

[harsh crow]

Gotcha so it needs the static pressure to make sure everything is cooled properly?

[weary raft]

basically

and at the same time there's not really any noise requirements

so these fans may be annoyingly loud

[harsh crow]

Increased static pressure does it cause more contact with the objects or?

[weary raft]

it almost certainly would be audible just from the dbb

wdym by that

[harsh crow]

I am trying to figure out the difference between Total amount of airflow vs Static Pressure for cooling components.

[sacred pagoda]

as long as you have enough static pressure, more doesn't help cool better

more total airflow will help cool better

[weary raft]

up to a point

[harsh crow]

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Airflow: total volume/amount of air moved

Static Pressure: the force/pressure at which air is moved to help brute force air through dense areas to ensure contact

[sacred pagoda]

not really to ensure contact

[weary raft]

if you understand electrical more, then static pressure is like increasing the voltage to make electricity travel easier on higher resistance wire
and airflow/cfm (cubic feet per minute) is like amperage

[sacred pagoda]

brute force air through tight spaces yes

[weary raft]

you're pretty much there, but pressure doesnt increase contact with the heatsinks, it just helps the air move

it's like blowing through a small straw vs a large straw

you need to blow harder to get the same amount of air through on the smaller straw

[harsh crow]

Gotcha.

[weary raft]

heatsink fin density is what ensures maximum contact

[harsh crow]

I plan on getting more fans soon to replace my damaged ones.

[harsh crow]

And the denser they are the more pressure you need to make sure air gets through?

[weary raft]

but the higher the fin densitiy, the more static pressure is needed (which is why there's a f12 and p12, one is optimized for low required static pressures and the other is for higher static pressures)

[harsh crow]

Then from there airflow is how to ensure you cool off the liquid more?

[weary raft]

airflow carries the heat transferred from the fin to the air away

[harsh crow]

Understood.

Airflow is to the volume of air moved to capture then exhaust the heat. Static Pressure is the pressure at which the air is being moved to get through dense areas.

[weary raft]

for a water cooling loop, there's alot of heat transfer
(ignoring the thermal paste and such) from like the cpu die (heat source) to the IHS, to the cooler coldplate to the water, to the heatsink and then finally to the air, which then may get cooled by the HVAC system of your house

any of these steps could end up bottlenecking the thermal transfer

so some people direct die cool for example, to bypass the transfer of heat through the IHS

[steel forge]

If I'm giving a pc to a family member you think I should replace the AIO cooler if it's three years old or do they have longer lifespans than that?

[knotty sparrow]

3 is probably fine unless you can hear air pockets bubbling during normal use. Good ones go up to 5 or so before needing a refill.

[steel forge]

If I have a case with 1 fan on the back of the case above the motherboard IO, three fans on top the case, and a triple fan AIO in the front. Which directions should I face them?

[knotty sparrow]

In that case I would do top and front intake, rear exhaust

That way the exhaust doesn't overpower the intake and create negative pressure

[deep aspen]

Top intake is funky there for sure

[strange flume]

I do top intake on dan

Actually intake exhaust tbh

One side is PSU exit

I guess that makes me ultra rare weird

[deep aspen]

You were weird when you declared a hatred for thocc

[strange flume]

If I stream or even just work, I need a dead silent board or I never hear the end of it

Otherwise I wouldn't mind thocc

But I have bigger priorities than thocc

I have to really thocc about things

[deep aspen]

Thocc is love

Thocc is life

Idk i do like a good creamy too

[strange flume]

If everything sounded like an apple LP keyboard tbh I wouldn't mind

Chiclets are nice to me

[deep aspen]

I've never heard of an apple LP

✨

[strange flume]

My first experience of a good pc involved a good low profile keyboard

[strange flume]

LP=low profile

[deep aspen]

Ah okay

[strange flume]

Apple hasn't always had the flat flush keyboards

[deep aspen]

Honestly i wouldnt mind a low profile

[strange flume]

They used to CHONK

[deep aspen]

I remember that

[strange flume]

The mice also had no scroll wheel

[deep aspen]

Macintosh

Apple died without steve jobs tbh

Even if he was practically a sociopath lmao

[strange flume]

Lmao true

Fishtank moment

[sinful heart]

black arctic liquid freezer on sale rn for $90

[knotty sparrow]

LF 2 or 3

[sinful heart]

3

[knotty sparrow]

Not bad

LF2 b-stock from arctic can go for $75 for the 360 too

[fluid lichen]

Keychron b1/b6 pro would like a word

Super thin scissor switches

[strange flume]

I'll scissor-

...

[fluid lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/ohyeaaah-helldiver-super-earth-ayyy-gif-17581238741426089623

[weary raft]

https://tenor.com/view/miguel-o'hara-spiderman-2099-gif-2499297711314894089

[steel forge]

If all my other rgb ports on my mobo have 4 pins is this one ok to use? The squid adapter thing that came with my AIO only has three pins and my old AIO didn't have rgb fans. The port isn't labeled as a rgb header like the others.

[low pumice]

Is your aio argb? Sometimes also called drgb? RGB and aRGB are different and use different headers and connectors, RGB is 4 pin, argb is 3 pin

[steel forge]

Oh it is aRGB, I didn't realize there was a difference.

[low pumice]

Yea RGB uses 12v and 4 pin, argb uses 5v and 3 pins

[steel forge]

Thanks, it does show 5v on that header so I should be good to go.

[low pumice]

Yea if it's argb then that's the correct header

[nocturne summit]

is 95c peak gpu memory junction temp ok

[weary raft]

kinda typical for gddr6x

it might be throttling at that temp though?

[nocturne summit]

how do i check that

[knotty sparrow]

It doesn't throttle until 100C, but that's a bit warm

[orchid hazel]

My front 2 case fans recently stopped spinning

few days before i added this new splitter to connect the remaining fans

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WN4G7KC?ref=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_J5J0SYX4MBX1AWB7H3F7&ref_=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_J5J0SYX4MBX1AWB7H3F7&social_share=cm_sw_r_cso_cp_apin_dp_J5J0SYX4MBX1AWB7H3F7&peakEvent=5&starsLeft=1&skipTwisterOG=1&th=1

@sacred wren @knotty sparrow

[knotty sparrow]

Something melted. The cables and header can only handle so much current.

[orchid hazel]

should i just buy a fan hub then

i opened the case and checked all the wires

they are connected nothing bent or missing

[knotty sparrow]

How many fans do you have on one header

[orchid hazel]

theyre all daisy chained

to one sys_fans

about 9

10

is that bad

[knotty sparrow]

Oof that's way too many for one header

[orchid hazel]

and rest of my fans dont seem to spin that fast either

might be cause of the new fan head splitter

[knotty sparrow]

An efficient fan runs at about 0.12A, and less efficient ones 0.2A. The header is normally rated for 1A, so I don't recommend putting more than 5 fans on one header unless they're efficient ones like Arctic P12.
The wires also have a current limit but we don't know what that is. Cheap wires are often bad at that though.

Yes I think a fan hub is in order, unless you have a way to split up the fans onto at least 2 headers

[weary raft]

GODDAMN

i normally try to run at most 3 from one header

[orchid hazel]

oh damn

do u guys recommend any fan hub

or do i just pick any

[weary raft]

one header for front fans, one for top fans, and one for the rear fan

you could probably pick any that can do pwm

or alternatively, you could just use more fan headers than just one lmao

[orchid hazel]

my mobo only has one header for system fans

[weary raft]

damn

[orchid hazel]

ye

[weary raft]

i've seen low end boards with more than that lmao

[orchid hazel]

i planned on upgrading the mobo

but no use until i buy 7800x3d

[orchid hazel]

any fan hub or specifically has to be pwm?

[knotty sparrow]

PWM hub if you have 4 pin fans, so you can still control the fan speed

If you put a 3 pin fan on a sata powered hub then it'll just run full speed

[orchid hazel]

ty i think mine are 4 pin

[sinful heart]

Damn I didn't know the frozn a720 was so goated

nhd15 but a third of the price

[knotty sparrow]

D15v2 still has a technical win but that cooler is very close

But at that price point you might as well get the 360mm aio also mentioned in the video I know you're referencing

[hoary plaza]

thoughts?

the thermal paste is a pretty good one, i'll edit this comment when I know the brand and model

[sinful heart]

I just saw the gn video

[strange flume]

Ya it's basically the thermalright but a little more premium

The A620 SE costs $30, looks better than the thermalrights and competitive too btw

[sinful heart]

That aio is crazy too

[strange flume]

Oh yeah id cooling is the only brand even remotely close to competing with TR in the US

Deepcool would've had a chance were it not for the slip up

[sinful heart]

Yeah even now I still feel the void left by deepcool

[sinful heart]

Oh mb I was talking about the suspiciously cheap thermalright aio in the gn video

[strange flume]

Yup

Id cooling has mostly worked it out by the looks of it

[steel forge]

What controller or software would you guys recommend for consolidating all my case and aio fans together. Right now I have 2 different software for rgb and speed control and a mechanical switch rigged to my computers reset switch for the fan that came with the case. My three top case fans are rgb but my 3 fan AIO is ARGB.

[knotty sparrow]

I use Fan Control and OpenRGB personally. There's plugins for OpenRGB to control fan speeds if you wanted to consolidate more.

[steel forge]

Thanks ill check em out

Then I gotta cable manage this nightmare

[harsh crow]

Start by changing any fans that can't be controlled by the motherboard then use Fan Control and or OpenRGB like Fal recommended.

[woven vale]

Question

This the best aio cooler setup?

Or nah

[knotty sparrow]

Technically top mount is best

Front mount with tubes down is about 2dB quieter than tubes up, no performance difference

It's also impossible with most cooler/case combos

[woven vale]

That won’t make air bubbles in the tubes?

Iv never done a aio cooler im nervous as heck lol

[knotty sparrow]

Air in the tubes is fine, just slightly more noisy

It's air in the pump you want to avoid at all costs

[woven vale]

Oh gotcha, and I don’t gatta buy anything extra? Like the liquid comes inside the tubes?

(Never bought or done a aio cooler so sorry for these dumb questions )😭

[knotty sparrow]

It's as it says on the tin, all in one

[woven vale]

I bought the enermax liqmaxflo 360 one

Hopefully it’s good lol

[knotty sparrow]

Ah. Well hopefully that model doesn't have the green slime clogging issue that other ones from that brand have had.

[woven vale]

Frick is there a way to check

Before installing

[knotty sparrow]

It happens over time

Just check the temps a couple times a month

If it jumps, it's clogged

[woven vale]

Frick, maybe I’ll return it and buy a cpu fan cooler instead

[supple harbor]

Is thermalright still the go to for air coolers or are there better/alternative options now

[strange flume]

Still

Or A620 SE

[supple harbor]

Has tr dropped anything new or is the peerless assassin or whatever the go to still

[strange flume]

Have but QC issues

Phantom >>>

[supple harbor]

Ic ic

A620 deepcool ?

[strange flume]

ID COOLING

Similar name tho ye

[supple harbor]

Rip all the shipping times for em are pushed back pretty far

[strange flume]

Good cooler for $30 so yeah

[supple harbor]

Ye it's fair

I don't mind but it's for my gf and she's impatient 😭

[strange flume]

Well phantom still good for 35

Comparable perf

[supple harbor]

Either will be more than enough, it's only for a 7700x

Hopefully I can find one that ships quick

[nocturne summit]

is it normal cpu temps to spike windows virus scan

and is 86.5c cpu die too high of a spike?

amd ryzen 7 7800x3d

google says limit is 89c but im dumb so

[simple anchor]

That's a bit more than what I get with my Mystique (AIO)

So normal

[harsh crow]

The chip will slow itself down if it gets too hot (called Thermal Throttling). So long as you aren't staying in the high 80s during gaming you will be fine performance wise.

[sacred pagoda]

No. Anything under 95C is safe for the chip

I think 89C might be where it starts throttling

[weary raft]

I'm pretty sure it's rated for like 95c but this is the range of "safe" operating temperatures for long periods of time

Your cpu won't immediately cook itself at 95c
That's what happens at a higher temperature

In the hundreds

[knotty sparrow]

No the X3D parts have tjmax set to 89 to avoid cooking the cache. The other chips are rated at 95.

[weary raft]

interesting

well, either way, the max safe operating temperature is where the maximum safe temperature is for normal operation

[nocturne summit]

ok thank you all

when it reaches unsafe temps does the throttling/ shut off happen automatically or do i need to check some option somewhere

[low pumice]

The auto shutdown temp is generally a different temp set at a higher temp like 105

It'll throttle above tjmax automatically

[runic pawn]

Howdy, I really like the aesthetics of this fan from lian li, but it's out of stock and not sure when it will be in stock again. Does anyone have any recommendations for very similar aesthetics (side and top lighting and argb in the fan) and good performance?

https://lian-li.com/product/uni-fan-sl-infinity-reverse-blade/

[strange flume]

Atm we don't have a 1 to 1 better alternative as our previous recommendation seems to be out of stock

The Sama Y1203E

But if you can find it, they're better in like every way, and they should be cheap af

But the next best thing is a thermalright M12

[runic pawn]

1 in stock on Amazon, 1 down 5 to go 😂
Thank you for the suggestion and info. I see a website suggesting estimated in stock date of February. I guess if I'm waiting for 5090 I can keep waiting on the fans to see if it's in stock by then. Thank you

[strange flume]

Fair enough haha

[sinful heart]

Should I get the thermalright s12, b12, or arctic p12

[harsh crow]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CR7P9Q4T/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A3805NM77YZUAU&psc=1

I am looking to get some new fans soon and found these.

Paper specs are better than my previous Arctic P12s.

I would like to get some nice fans that have good lighting ideally with infinity mirrors or crystal themed fans.

[knotty sparrow]

Never heard of that brand but the "adjusted" rating after Firefox removes bot account reviews is 1.5 star

And Amazon reports that it's a "frequently returned item"

lmao

Hard pass for me

[harsh crow]

ahh rip

[harsh crow]

Recommendations?

[harsh crow]

How does FireFox remove bot reviews?

[fluid lichen]

Fakespot Extension by Firefox

[runic pawn]

I'm buying lian li sl inf fans

[strange flume]

We've already tried these. Extremely meh but hard to find alternatives rn

[sacred pagoda]

Cool new pattern on the hyper 212 contact plate after it was stuck and I rotated it to try and get it off

[harsh crow]

I don't think coolers are supposed to get stuck.... Did you use thermal glue?

[knotty sparrow]

It happens a lot on AM4 and older AMD sockets actually

[harsh crow]

guess I got lucky on my 5700G. Never had any issues like that.

[knotty sparrow]

Older paste and flatter cold plates were more prone to it

[strange flume]

It happens every single time on my 5900X unless the paste is like under 2 weeks old

To the point where I'm legitimately terrified of twisting cos the socket does nothing to hold the cpu in (It literally falls out if the board is vertical)

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah you probably had the second thing then, flat cold plate. It just vacuum seals to the IHS

[strange flume]

Literally every cooler I swear lmao

My ek coldplate wasn't flat btw

[knotty sparrow]

Well AM4 just hated you then idk

[strange flume]

The socket just holds nothing in

Like zero grip

Ok imagine like

A screw that's like a quarter turn into a piece of wood

[knotty sparrow]

That little retention bar did nothing to help

[strange flume]

How easy it is to yank that out

Vs all the way in or half way

Am4 you can yank it out but mine just, zero effort

It's not very good fitment

The better side is not very good fitment

So it comes out very well to date

But yeah I need to pull it out on a couch or bed cos of this cos every single time I'm prying that cpu off

I wouldn't dare do it where the pins aren't rolling onto something soft

[knotty sparrow]

I've seen someone rip the pins out trying to do the twist trick

[strange flume]

I've seen the pins in a perfect circle from a twist lmao

[harsh crow]

You guys are making me think that AM4 wasn't so well designed...

[knotty sparrow]

Probably because it wasn't

AMD has been trying to keep coolers compatible since FM1 socket, and that takes a few sacrifices

[harsh crow]

How much time should ai give my cou to try and post before powering off the PC?

[harsh crow]

Fair.

[harsh crow]

I am having a hard time getting my PC to post.

[strange flume]

Cmos clear and try your saved profile again

[harsh crow]

Tried. I can try again though

[strange flume]

Expect to wait like 5-10 minutes for 64gb

[harsh crow]

Hold up

[strange flume]

Until memory context restore is working then retraining will do that

[harsh crow]

@strange flume I don't know what you did but thank you!!!

[strange flume]

???

[harsh crow]

Every time I have had posting issues the second I have you on the line my PC posts lmfao.

Been this way since I got this replacement

[strange flume]

Wait like every single time?

[harsh crow]

Yes

Every single yime

[strange flume]

Did you disable memory context restore

[harsh crow]

Yeah it's been disabled.

[strange flume]

That's why

It takes ages to retrain with it off

At the benefit of better stability

[harsh crow]

So not as good stability but far faster booting times?

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah I had you turn it off because you couldn't restart without shutting down and clearing cmos

[harsh crow]

I had been sitting here for like 20m waiting for a post, tried clearing cmos, rebooting, etc and remembered that talking to you somehow gets the damn thing to post each time.

I am trying to figure out why Tyzen Master isn't working.

Just reinstalled it.

[strange flume]

Sounds like you might be unstable

[harsh crow]

The core I am currently trying to tune definitely wasn't.

The rest are rock solid though. Passed hundreds of iterations in VST3 and dozens of runs back to back in CC.

[strange flume]

[harsh crow]

Currently from 0-4 the co values are:

• -40
• -38
• -28
• -28
• -30

[strange flume]

When you've done all this add +5 to every core for redundancy or you will run into issues later

[harsh crow]

+5?

[strange flume]

I've seen it happen a thousand times

Yes

+5

+10 if you want to be extra careful

[harsh crow]

Because of deteriorating?

[strange flume]

Because random programs are ass*$#&@

I hate you discord

Ass tunnels

[harsh crow]

By random programs do you mean random programs or like the stress tests?

[strange flume]

Do I really need to explain what a random program is

Random is random

[harsh crow]

Just wanted to double check.

I hate the boot times on my rig....

Hold up I think I know the issue.

Just a hunch.

I swear if this ends up actually being the fix I don't know if I should be mad or annoyed.

[strange flume]

Long boot is retraining with mem context restore disabled

You want short boots then enable it again

But you can make it unstable again

[harsh crow]

I found the freaking issue.

[strange flume]

That or you have a bad usb

Or drive

Or something in the IO

[harsh crow]

It was because I had set the Thermal Throttle Temperature to 95...

[strange flume]

Why did you do that

[harsh crow]

Do you have to ask...

xD.

[strange flume]

Yes cos tjmax is 89

[harsh crow]

I wanted to trick the system.

Because my temps average around 50c under load.

[strange flume]

Oh dear is it degraded

Better hope it didn't pass 89

At least for long

[harsh crow]

It never actually applied it.

[strange flume]

Eh then that won't be the cause of long training

[harsh crow]

In windows Ryzen Master showed that the max was still 89 but bios saw it as 95.

[harsh crow]

Somehow it fixed it by disabling. All times in the last 2 days I had this weird training issue was when I had that enabled at 95c.

[strange flume]

Better hope it didn't degrade lmao

[harsh crow]

.
I am on the MSI X670-P btw.

[harsh crow]

I am confident that it didn't.

I am running the same CO values the tuned cores since before messing with that.

Well I am exhausted also it's 4am.

Run CC or VST3 overnight?

[strange flume]

Means nothing to me if the cpu was over 89C

Lol

[harsh crow]

Never hit above 62.5c

[strange flume]

Well then you're fine

[strange flume]

Idk CC maybe

I'm not along for this ride I just read the occasional post and chime in when I notice something

[harsh crow]

Fair, fair.

On a side note I am loving the SN850X.

Been a wonderful experience being able to move massive files almost instantly and not having to put up with any sort of delay in most tasks.

[strange flume]

Big raid > big ssd imo

[harsh crow]

Thought raid caused latency issues?

[strange flume]

Wot

[harsh crow]

welp with this I am off to bed.

@strange flume have a great evening and good night.

[strange flume]

Bai

[sacred pagoda]

Well now I'm terrified

I haven't had that happen before though, usually it comes off pretty easily

[weary raft]

It would probably have to be really really stuck on though

Probably will help if you run a quick stress test to heat up the paste to make it more fluid first

[sacred pagoda]

I did this, though the paste was quite fresh anyways. I'm guessing I let it cool a bit too much between stress test and removing the cooler and that caused some sort of suction

[weary raft]

Nah the suction is normal, it's due to surface tension or whatever

[sacred pagoda]

I mean there's normally some when I take it off but this was way more than usual.

[weary raft]

Shearing pins off though means the paste was so stuck that it created enough force to shear the pins off though

Perhaps

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah it was spinning pretty easily but didn't want to release

[harsh crow]

This is interesting.

@knotty sparrow have you ever seen these before?

https://www.amazon.com/Thermal-Grizzly-High-Performance-Heatspreader/dp/B0CBN63QMT/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1G7POLBHLRBHS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YdzawqxT8JdW8Gnto2G9U3WSDI07Tb-XPinurrfP2136f0Po_XCkcTOS1wQPcatfmDt1OeQC6RzY8ZnphfxfgA.pO4DDkenRBmGvl2c94Gm2KMmH-aNDDnHRLtD8pUh4Wc&dib_tag=se&keywords=copper+drr5+heatspreader&qid=1736118827&sprefix=copper+drr5+heatspreader%2Caps%2C171&sr=8-1

It looks like TG's Contact frame except all copper/nickel with a built in Heatspreader

[knotty sparrow]

Yes I've seen it. You can't use it without voiding your warranty so I never paid it much mind.

[harsh crow]

does it require delidding?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[cobalt ledge]

The build I am currently assembling has an i5-12400F for the CPU. It comes with what appears to be the RM1 cooler. I originally planned to use the stock cooler, but compared to AMD stock coolers this thing really isn’t filling me with confidence.

I’m debating ordering whatever the current version of the Cooler Master 212 is for this rig instead.

Thoughts?

Or perhaps the Thermalright Assassin x120 as that looks to be basically the same as the old CM 212 Evo.

[knotty sparrow]

+1 for thermalright

The ID-cooling se-214 is good too

[sacred pagoda]

Any of these
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Js2WGX/thermalright-assassin-x-refined-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-refined-se-argb

extra heatpipes
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sysV3C/thermalright-burst-assassin-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ba120-se-argb

[harsh crow]

Article I found with some nice fan charts.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/arctic-p12-pwm-pst-a-rgb-120-mm-fan/3.html

[floral fern]

A few years ago I bought a PC from EK Fluid Gaming. Now I'm wanting to upgrade the RX 5700, probably to an RX 7900 XTX. EK doesn't make aluminum water blocks for the new RX series. Does anyone know of one, or should I just plug the holes in my coolant distribution block and leave the new card air cooled?

[knotty sparrow]

EK isn't making much of anything anymore

What with the company collapsing

[low pumice]

Ekwb is basically gone as a company, it'd be a good idea to just leave it air cooled

[floral fern]

I wasn't aware. Maybe I should stock up on coolant.

[low pumice]

You can get all the parts elsewhere from different manufacturers, but ekwb was basically bankrupt last I checked

[knotty sparrow]

There's a very deep rabbit hole to fall into with that

Not just bankrupt but assets frozen

[low pumice]

https://youtu.be/b73xG1HlFhY
https://youtu.be/6VjYFdHMC3A

[floral fern]

No kidding? It's a Slovenian company, right? Seems like that's where it shipped from.

Glad I got mine when I did. It's been pretty awesome. Plan on upgrading the CPU fairly soon, too. At least I can do that with just some thermal paste.

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah they made pretty good stuff generally. It's just a shame that the leadership got greedy.

[chrome cedar]

I still have a ek aio. It will probably die with my cpu

[floral fern]

Should I not buy my coolant from them, then? It's like $40 to ship it and I'd hate to spend that much and never get it.

[knotty sparrow]

I'd avoid buying from them now, generally speaking.

It's not that much better than alphacool coolant anyway

If at all

[floral fern]

Well crap. I'm due for a coolant change. Gotta make sure the coolant I get is compatible with the cheap aluminum components they put in their pre-built PCs.

[knotty sparrow]

This says it's compatible with aluminum, assuming you don't have anything else that reacts with aluminum https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/cooling-liquids/standard-liquids/waz-alphacool-tec-protect-2-clear-1000ml

I'd advise against colored fluids, but if you did get one from alphacool not all of them have biocides in them https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/cooling-liquids/standard-liquids/

[floral fern]

Yep, that should do it! Thanks so much! Glad I came here before sending $100 overseas with little to no chance of ever seeing my products or money.

[floral fern]

Yeah, I used the purple EK coolant in it once. With all the RGB it's really not necessary.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of an American company that makes decent coolant? It's 3x the cost of the coolant to ship it.

[strange flume]

I'll do you one better

Go look up the alphacool eco clear 1L data sheet

It'll list a formula of 4 chemicals

95% osmosis water

0.2(?)% pH stabiliser

I forgot the others lol

It's a clear fluid, you can buy everything like once for $50 and get like 8L

Make sure you flush your loop properly and you can make your own loop mix thanks to alphacool for basically nothing

[low pumice]

Iirc performance PCs is based in US, they have most watercooling parts

[strange flume]

Yeah there's a few clear fluids there that aren't too bad too

My brain really don't recall it all too well cos I just keep the alphacool formula and make my mix up from scratch

Way cheaper and on demand lol

But it's really like, 95% osmosis water, 4.2% propylene glycol, 0.8% ph stabiliser or something to that effect

And you just make a litre of it at a time

Numbers don't need to be perfect, it's a conservative mix

All you really want otherwise is a bottle you can fill into with a funnel and a straw that you can squeeze the fluid into the loop with

The first time I did it, it was a little pricey, but then every time after that, I've saved hundreds of dollars every time I maintain my loops

[strange flume]

@floral fern remembered the full name is alphacool apex eco clear 1L

The data sheet has the composition of the mix so you can literally copy it

[strange flume]

Looks really close to this

[floral fern]

Nice! Thanks for the tips. I really wish I could stick with a watercooled GPU when I upgrade, but live and learn, I guess. I'll be doing my next WC build from scratch.

[knotty sparrow]

Water cooling on GPUs is pretty unnecessary these days. The massive modern air coolers are almost always overkill.

[low pumice]

I'd imagine the new thicc 4 fan models on the 5090s are going to perform pretty similarly to the watercooled variants

[strange flume]

Buy yourself some ZMT tubing, some quick disconnects and you can remove the gpu out of the loop equation very quickly

Same deal if you want to add a new one to it

Though as above, not a whole lot worth doing tbh

[floral fern]

All I need to take the GPU out of the loop is to remove the tubes and get a couple of plugs. They're already in my cart.

[harsh crow]

@strange flume, @knotty sparrow, I've noticed while my average temperatures have been lower it appears my peak temps have increased. Any idea why that is? I recently installed the TG Contact Frame and TG PTM sheet

[strange flume]

The ptm is curing

It should go down tho

Dunno why it's going up

[harsh crow]

My average temps have dropped by like 8-10c but my peak spikes have increased.

[strange flume]

Then it's working

Idk why spikes are higher

[harsh crow]

I have been working on my CO values. Could it be from my cores sustaining higher frequencies for longer?

I have been running core cycler and Y-Cruncher (VST3) back to back for days now.

[strange flume]

Idk

If average load temps drop then it's working

It won't improve from there cos it's ptm

[harsh crow]

average temps are definitely lower

same for idle

load temps used to be around mid 60s now I am in mid 50s.

[strange flume]

Then why are you worried

[harsh crow]

I am just not sure why temperature spikes are much higher

used to spike to around 68c now my max spikes are 76c.

[strange flume]

If your load temps are mid 50's you're doing better than most water loops

Spikes to 76 is a little worse than mine

Again dunno why it's doing that

I don't recommend thermal grizzly like ever

[harsh crow]

Oh wait, PTM isn't fully effective till it'

it is in it's phase change fluid state or whatever it was called yes?

[strange flume]

It cures over weeks

[strange flume]

^

[harsh crow]

Does it transfer heat just as well in it's solid phase vs the curing phase?

Wondering because I am living in Alaska now and my room temps are usually around 16c give or take slightly.

[strange flume]

Idk

[harsh crow]

Thinking the spikes might be happening when I boot up the stress tests.

Currently for CO on cores 0-6 I am doing:

• -40
• -38
• -28
• -28
• -33
• -30
• -35

So far so good on those values.

[formal bridge]

What pump res would y’all recommend to upgrade from a Corsair XD5? I have two thick 360mm radiators I think 40-45mm thick, a xc7 cpu block and I’m planning on getting a block for my gpu when tax season hits

[strange flume]

Wouldn't recommend anything

Corsair loop parts aren't bad if you ignore the awful typical prices

XD5 is a D5 res combo. There is nothing better beyond that

Integrate the gpu into the loop later, even the xc7 is still decent

Or even just run the gpu on air if you prefer, I wouldn't sunset any of those parts

As much as I don't like corsair on the whole

Anyway

[formal bridge]

Fair enough, the only reason I ask is because I had gone to a distro plate and did NOT like the thermals and noise but I lost the bracket for the pump res, I tore down the other d5 that came with the plate for the impeller and replaced the one in the xd5 because it had cooked itself.

[strange flume]

What speed do you run your D5

[formal bridge]

I have it running at 3000rpm right now

[strange flume]

You should run it about 30-50% rpm

Higher can burn it out if you weren't aware

That said 3000 doesn't sound like much more than 50

[formal bridge]

It’s right about there, I had it for a while so I think that was part of the issue, but I typically ran it at 2500-3500 throughout its life

[strange flume]

I've heard D5's fail at a comically greater rate than others tbh

No one's ever told me it but I hear about it more than any other

Despite being ridiculously good

[knotty sparrow]

That could be sample bias. They're also the most popular kind of pump.

There's also a lot of fake ones that say D5 but aren't.

[knotty sparrow]

Oh sweet, Dell is getting in on solid state fans? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lTWI7kfkt0

[sacred pagoda]

Oooh

[strange flume]

Have to be pretty crazy bias cos it's really common, like every other post has someone talking about it lol

[sinful heart]

[dry wren]

hi! The Corsair 3500x seem interesting, but I don't want RGB fan. Did 3 x NF-A12x25 fans are good choice for it? I guess I need a fan controller too?

[sacred wren]

You do not need a fan controller for three fans, and I'd suggest the thermalright b12 or k12

[dry wren]

why? Did ther yare better than Corsair? I always knew thjat Noctua are thee best, still at an high price...

[sacred wren]

Theyre renamed noctua fans

And corsair fans are one of the last options id suggest, along with corsair aios and ram

Brand name means next to nothing

[runic pawn]

Question for anyone with Lian Li O11D evo rgb case: Can I fit a 360mm on top, and 3x140 on side, 3x140 on bottom? Or do I need to do 120 on sides and or bottom?

Looks like I should be able to

[harsh crow]

Why is fan control not detecting the speed sensor for my Bottom intake and Radiator fans?

[knotty sparrow]

How are they wired up, and does hwinfo show them?

[low pumice]

Are you using any splitters or hubs or daisy chaining for them?

[harsh crow]

daisy chained and connected to the Fractal Torrent's built in hub. @knotty sparrow @low pumice

wait I just noticed my rad fans are not spinning

[strange flume]

Willing to bet the pins aren't correct

Ah welp then it's disconnected

[knotty sparrow]

Only one fan on the hub will have the rpm read

And make sure the header can handle all the fans plugged into it

[harsh crow]

has in the past without issue

I am gonna double check the connect

can I do it while the pc is on?

[knotty sparrow]

You can look but don't plug anything in while on

[harsh crow]

brb I am gonna double check the connections

[harsh crow]

at least fans are spinning now

still trying to figure out why Fan Control is not detecting the sensoirs

[knotty sparrow]

^

[harsh crow]

what I mean is that FanControl can detect the set of fans but not their speed

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah

[harsh crow]

is it because they are mix and matched?

[knotty sparrow]

It's a limitation of the port

[harsh crow]

gotcha

any idea why my pump motor is locked to 100% speed?

[knotty sparrow]

One header can only read one RPM because there's only one pin for the tachometer

Is it 3 pin?

[harsh crow]

yes

[knotty sparrow]

Then don't put that one on the hub

[harsh crow]

It's in the pump header

[knotty sparrow]

Set the pump header to DC mode then

[harsh crow]

on my motherboard

I feel like I may have made a stupid mistake. @knotty sparrow the arctic P12s, which side of the fan is the side the air is being blasted towards?

Logo side or frame side....

[knotty sparrow]

frame

[harsh crow]

So this is correct?

[knotty sparrow]

That's intake yes

[harsh crow]

Okay good

I thought I screwed up when I remounted it during transit.

Prior* to

I found out that I messed up my exhaust fan.

My exhaust has been acting as Intakr and working against every thing else

[knotty sparrow]

Not the worst mistake at least

[harsh crow]

Fixed it during this whole mess

I am guessing this whole mess of fans not working as they should is the reason my peak temps have been so much worse

[knotty sparrow]

Yes fans not spinning will have that effect

[harsh crow]

I am kinda amazed my load temps were in the mid 50s to low 60s lmao

[knotty sparrow]

I'm not

With the back and bottom intake, you'll still get some flow through the rad from the pressure

[harsh crow]

true

These Fractal and Deepcool fans I have found to be quite capable

and better than the Arctic fans in use

[knotty sparrow]

Those 180mm fans are nuts

[harsh crow]

I have 3 of the 140mm on the bottom

@knotty sparrow Are the Fractal Prisma Al fans good?

[knotty sparrow]

I moved my front 180s to the bottom and kept the 140s as spares. One of my Arctic fans started rattling so I have one on the rad now. Oh and I put one of the 140s as rear exhaust.

[knotty sparrow]

No clue

[harsh crow]

It appears as though 180mm argb fans are like non existent

[knotty sparrow]

It's also really hard to find radiators that fit them

The one I found I really want to use though https://shop.alphacool.com/en/shop/radiators/180200mm/rad-alphacool-nexxxos-monsta-180mm-dual-radiator

[harsh crow]

I feel like these would look awesome if I crushed some quartz crystals and glued them to the diffuser

turn my Torrent into a geode theme case

Oh dang

they are 38mm deep

Are there any 420mm or dual 180mm AIOs I can get that actually fit into the fractal? I feel tempted to get the prismas

[knotty sparrow]

This was 85mm thick too so that's a lot of room needed, 123mm

[harsh crow]

Hmm a 5090 might be a tight squeeze haha

[knotty sparrow]

Nah there's still SO MUCH room

[harsh crow]

really?

[knotty sparrow]

With the front 180 fans on the max GPU length is 393mm

[harsh crow]

When I get new fans I won't be going Arctic. They are decent but I feel like they are also sort of lacking in the lighting and performance department compared to like the Fractal Sickleflow or Deepcool FK lineups performance wise

[knotty sparrow]

Wait no I misinterpreted, this

423mm with fans, 461 w/o

[harsh crow]

HOLY

are our fractal's really that massive?

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah it makes my 3080 ti look small

[harsh crow]

I have a 3070 XC3 I know that feeling

[knotty sparrow]

So with that monsta rad on the front there would still be 338mm of room for the GPU

[harsh crow]

dang

I might keep this fractal as my main case then

I am beginning to think it's actually quite capable for a custom loop

[harsh crow]

This is yours?

[knotty sparrow]

No

[harsh crow]

awesome setup though

[knotty sparrow]

Just an example of what you can do with it

From this post https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/sb2cce/new_build_in_the_fractal_design_torrent_2nd_time/

[harsh crow]

If I do decide to do a custom loop (I probably will) you can count on me buying another like 50lbs of quartz crystals and crushing them to line all the tubes with them

[knotty sparrow]

I'd go with copper piping to do a steampunk theme

[harsh crow]

seems we are the outliners in this community haha

[knotty sparrow]

Also less light in the loop means less maintenance/growth

[harsh crow]

?

How long can I go without doing maintenance with uv coolant?

[knotty sparrow]

I know that kind breaks down pretty quick, maybe 3-6 months?

[harsh crow]

UV makes the light reflect in the coolant correct?

[knotty sparrow]

You would need a blacklight and it glows

[harsh crow]

What is the maintenance process like?

[knotty sparrow]

Typically just drain, reverse flush, and refill

[harsh crow]

reverse flush?

so fill the rads and drain again?

[knotty sparrow]

If you have a lot of sediment or other residue you might have to take apart the blocks to clean the microfins

[knotty sparrow]

Run distilled water in the opposite direction of the normal flow so it picks up deposits better

[strange flume]

Water loops are a serious pain to maintain

Speaking from experience

[median edge]

Be quite pure rock 2 fx good for R5 7600x??

[cobalt ledge]

https://www.newegg.com/black-phanteks-enthoo-pro-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811854004?Item=N82E16811854004

I'm setting up a build in this case. Will the 200mm front intake and two 140mm rear/top exhaust be sufficient for good airflow?

I've only ever used 120mm fans before so I'm not sure of the capacity of the larger ones.

[sacred wren]

Yes that's plenty of airflow

[cobalt ledge]

Groovy. Thanks.

[knotty sparrow]

Plenty good enough

[kind latch]

Hello everyone. I have a Thermalright Frozen Notte 240 with two Noctua NF-A12 fans cooling my PC. The issue I'm having is that I can't keep my temps low, even when idle.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/schiquito/saved/fyw8Hx

Here's my full build. Could anyone help me figure out the issue?

[knotty sparrow]

The list is private

[kind latch]

Oops, let me fix that.

[kind latch]

Should be good now

[sleek fox]

7600X runs hot

95°C is the target under load

I have the same chip, it's normal

You want to watch clock speeds instead of temps for measuring performance

[knotty sparrow]

Right, what temps are you running at? Under 95 and it's fine. I'd expect 75-80 at full load.

[sleek fox]

I wish I ran that temp kek

[kind latch]

73.9c at full load for Helldivers 2

[sleek fox]

Wow that's

Exceptional

[knotty sparrow]

That's not any level of concern at all

[sleek fox]

You have absolutely no problems

I run 85 degrees when gaming on my single tower air cooler

[kind latch]

The issue I'm having is that the game crashes after installing this cooler. My previous tower cooler had no issues keeping things cool. When I boot the game my fans go nuts.

[sleek fox]

When did you install it?

Maybe you forgot the peel on the coldplate

[kind latch]

A couple of days ago. Nothing else has changed since except the coolers.

[sleek fox]

But then you'd not be running at 73 degrees

Fans going nuts is normal tho

I don't think the game crashes because of the cooler

[kind latch]

Yeah, I made sure to handle that first thing because I've heard so many stories of people not removing the plastic lol

[knotty sparrow]

It's possible you have a bad mount

[sleek fox]

The chances of that is astronomically low

Not the bad mount

The peel being on

[kind latch]

How can I check to make sure I'm getting full contact with the CPU?

[sleek fox]

I'd probably remount it just in case anyway

[kind latch]

I thought about buying a stress plate so everything is flat and even.

[knotty sparrow]

How did you tighten down the cooler? One screw at a time or in a crossover pattern?

[sleek fox]

Did you follow the manual?

[kind latch]

Cross over.

[kind latch]

I did even though it was in broken English

[sleek fox]

Should be simple enough to remount honestly

[kind latch]

And for the record the listing online says it is built for AM5 but the manual only mentions AM3 and 4

[knotty sparrow]

Yes that's correct

It's the same mount for several sockets now

FM2+ to AM5 iirc

[kind latch]

I have another question regarding the pump for this cooler. It's a three pin female connecter, does the orientation of it plugged into my four pin CPU_OPT port matter?

[weary raft]

the tab is offset so you cant put it in wrong on the 4 pin header

[kind latch]

Okay, thanks.

[strange flume]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/thermalright-grand-vision-360-review

Now on top 👌

[sleek fox]

Gonna be interesting on price against an LF3 of the same size

Here anyway

But yeah that's just

Wow

[sinful heart]

Wow thats really cheap

Is there one without the screen

The software isnt hideous either

It looks lightweight

[strange flume]

They have tons but whether they give us this updated version's coldplate on the older skus or not is up to them

Might be a while before we see the new skus that perform like this one

There's nothing wrong with the other skus tho

Most are really good already

[sacred pagoda]

thermalright just doesn't miss

[harsh crow]

@knotty sparrow how oversized is your arctic aio for mounting inside the fractal torrent? I am trying to figure out what 420mm aips will fit because when I replace my fans I would like to switch them all to 140mm fans and maximize on the torrent's expandability.

Ahh yikes.

[harsh crow]

Whoa Alphacool makes some really cool AIOs

How is the Alphacool Eisbearer Pro and Eiswolf lineup? If I recall they serve as a modular AIO that can be upgraded down the line into a Custom Loop.

[strange flume]

Extremely expensive for minimal benefit

<1st hand experience

[harsh crow]

Is it a good way for me to dip my toes into custom loops by starting with that then over time expanding by getting more rads and etc?

[strange flume]

Uh

It is but I wouldn't do it for the hardware you intend to run

You'll see basically no benefit

1% to 0%

For hundreds of dollars lol

[harsh crow]

I wish to dip my toes into custom loops at some point. I always wanted to try one.

Hardware wise, I plan to upgrade to the 5090 in about a month and probably 2-3 months after that upgrade to the 9950x3D if that releases.

I recognize the value is in no way existent

My purpose is the learning experience of a custom loop but I am afraid if I go all out on one from the start that I will likely fk something up

[strange flume]

Well I mean if I can't persuade you against it, don't get a gpu with LM

[harsh crow]

Agreed

way to risky because of leaks yes?

Twas the reason I went with PTM

[strange flume]

Well not just that but also just changing a cooler over from LM

It's a nightmare

And I def wouldn't LM on water

That's benchmarking level stuff

Not daily

[harsh crow]

Are there any downsides to the Eisbearer Pro 360mm other than $$$?

I currently run a LT720

[strange flume]

Worse than a thermalright

Similar to an LT720

That's no exaggeration btw you'll pay like $300 just to add a quick disconnect basically lol

[harsh crow]

Is it due to the pump or the rad?

[strange flume]

Pump and coldplate

Rads are rads

Better fpi is better but 360mm is enough for 1000W honestly

It's all in how it's used

[harsh crow]

How much would it cost to do the most simple 360mm or ideally 420mm loop

that's better than my LT720

I really want to try Custom Loops lmao. Even if they require maintenance I already spend like an hour a day messing with pc parts or studying them.

[strange flume]

In a torrent I'd do a double thick front rad

[harsh crow]

So like a Monsta rad?

[strange flume]

No

[strange flume]

This is a huge ask

Cos the 7950X3D sees minimal benefit from already an LT720, it's basically capped out

[harsh crow]

I have every intention of upgrading to a 9950x3D if overclocking is enabled on CCD0.

[strange flume]

But if you want easy access to custom loops then eisbaer/eiswolf is not the best performing

[strange flume]

Still doesn't enable benefit of looping

Also why

You aren't even done tuning the 7950

[harsh crow]

Overclocking. I enjoy it even if I suffer lmao

[strange flume]

That would be so much lost time man

Stop overclocking now if you intend on that

Don't waste effort

[harsh crow]

3 reasons.

A. I enjoy it (I am a freak I know)

B. I plan to repurpose this as a server when I upgrade

C. I'd like to make it work with the 5090 as much as possible

Side reason, I really enjoy it lmao

I am a numbers guy so seeing numbers makes me happy for some reason.

[strange flume]

Server makes me say don't overclock it even more so

Lol

Brb

[harsh crow]

xD

[strange flume]

Stop overclocking if you're gonna repurpose

You're gonna end up with so many problems if you don't daily stock lol

[harsh crow]

Really?

[strange flume]

Also for C, the 5090 coolers are all quite capable

I am honestly under the belief it'll be worse on water

[harsh crow]

really?

[strange flume]

Yes and yes

My 4090 is fine on air at 600W

[harsh crow]

I will probably disable the oc when I repurpose it then.

[strange flume]

It had a slight temperature drop and a memory bin uptick going alphacool wb

Slight

SLIGHT

Like

4 degrees

Not enough to improve anything

[harsh crow]

I still really want to dabble in loops more out of curiosity than anything else.

[strange flume]

And that's at 600W

A 5090 will be even colder

Cos bigger cooler and bigger die area

[harsh crow]

meaning the difference will be even smaller

[strange flume]

If as much as worse on water seriously

They really won't need it

[harsh crow]

liquid graphene make a difference?

[strange flume]

Eh

Just use ptm

Lol

[harsh crow]

i mean for the cooling fluid

[strange flume]

Most cards are now transitioning to ptm

[strange flume]

Use glycol mixed water wtf

Don't use dies or unusual materials

You'll get loop buildup and a nightmare

[harsh crow]

Pardon my ignorance. What is Glycol?

Is that to kill bacteria?

[strange flume]

Glycol keeps the mix pure but you want a minimal amount

As it can exacerbate loop temps