old-cooling

[regal plaza]

I've taken out and moved the fans around multiple times so I don't know. Ran DDU and reinstalled drivers maybe that'll help lol

[knotty eagle]

This is my AIO pump

[regal plaza]

I got up to 4 fans now...

Just wanna get pump and ill sacrifice that last fan lol

No clue why this is happening

[knotty eagle]

Your mobo drivers up to date?

[strange flume]

@regal plaza checked pins yet

[regal plaza]

I checked the pins in every fan and the actual mobo connector. I’m can swap two of them and then suddenly they both work or vice versa

I may have done some DIY mobo modification to fit all my loop stuff and I probably messed something up

[knotty eagle]

If you don't want individual control, might be worth getting a hub and just using mobo port for PWM https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Case-Fan-Hub-Distributor/dp/B0887VG14J/

[regal plaza]

I don’t need individual control. Might just get that yeah

[knotty eagle]

It's what I use. 140mm fronts, 120mm top, even at the same speed it's slightly positive pressure

[strange flume]

It definitely sounds like a mix up of voltage or sense

[regal plaza]

Could a fan hub possibly remedy that?

[strange flume]

Probable

Could also be a fried header maybe

Or gouge on the board

Rogue short on the case

Etc

[fiery bay]

I got an issue of no ARGB headers and not enough USB headers, what products would y'all recommend to solve this issue? 👀

Because I need to power a fair few fans with ARGB headers.

[knotty sparrow]

What do you have available? It's easy to add things if you have PCIe slots or even M.2 slots open. Worst case you could probably find a USB to ARGB cable.

[solid marsh]

so 2 of my fans decided they wanted to start making grinding noise XD. any recommendations on fans? dont need water cool, im not fancy enough to need that yet haha.

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4zkH99/thermalright-tl-s12-x3-476-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-s12-x3

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/pBzXsY/thermalright-tl-b14-825-cfm-140-mm-fan-tl-b14

[solid marsh]

thank you! one of these days i gotta get my rgb button working XD

[shrewd maple]

Can someone tell me what aio i should get for my 7800x3d? I think my old kraken x53 is going out, seems noisy. Also if i replace the aio, should i replace the cooler master sickleflow fans i have. And then should i take it even further and replace the front case fans that came with my fractal north case. I want as silent of a build as possible… looks are a huge plus too. Budget unlimited

[knotty eagle]

Arctic Cooling 3 is the best AIO. They have an RGB version if you want that as well, it's also pretty cheap

https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-III-PWM-Controlled/dp/B09VH1T1C2

[strange flume]

Any thermalright aio also great

[knotty eagle]

RGB https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Liquid-Freezer-RGB-PWM-Controlled/dp/B0CKXCP1LW

[strange flume]

Would argue better value in all but upper europe for thermalright

[shrewd maple]

Sweet thx ill check that out. What about the fans that come with it… use something else? Is buying expensive case fans to replace cheap stock stuff worth it?

[knotty eagle]

Arctic Fans are great, actually

[strange flume]

Don't replace the fans on any of these

[shrewd maple]

I never replaced the fans that came in my fractal north

Interesting ok

[strange flume]

Also, for 7800x3d you could honestly do a basic single tower

Assassin spirit evo is strong enough

[shrewd maple]

I know… i just like the look of aio’s and willing to pay for it lol

[strange flume]

V2 plus is better on that

Well yeah then, aqua elite v3, frozen notte, frozen edge, lf3

If you want an lcd, evga clcx 360 + fan swap to c12c's, sub 100

[shrewd maple]

I will pay anything for total silence. The NZXT aio i bought and coolermaster fans i bought are either crapping out or were crap to begin with

[strange flume]

Some coolermaster aios are quite good

[knotty eagle]

AC3 has the best noise normalized cooling

[strange flume]

Ml240l v2, ml360 atmos, though both of these are a lot more expensive for not any better

The v2 also has a very old coldplate

So performance is here and there

[shrewd maple]

Ok great. AC3 looks cool. Stick with the fans that come with it. What about the case fans that came with my fractal north case, worth replacing those?

LCD on aio would be cool for sure. But the ac3 looks great without one too, price is great wow

[strange flume]

What is ac3

[shrewd maple]

Think i paid 140 for my old nzxt kraken x53 or something

Arctic liquid freezer 3 is what i thought he meant heh

[strange flume]

Oh lf3

[shrewd maple]

Ah yes

[strange flume]

Yeah that's a new acronym for me lol

Bit of a forewarning btw, lf3 often interferes with the top m.2 slot

[shrewd maple]

Haha gotcha yeah im new to all gear after year 2020 haha

[fluid lichen]

ALF3

make it more confusing

[shrewd maple]

Oh interesting ok. My top m2 doesnt have a huge heat sink but it does have one

[strange flume]

They have a webpage to check if it does, your board should be on there

I do still encourage the thermalright ones

Frozen edge ships with noctua fans

And it's like $55

For 360mm

[shrewd maple]

Sorry last question… is it worth replacing the front case fans that came on the fractal north case? Should one always replace case fans that come with the case?

[strange flume]

The north fans are fine

[shrewd maple]

Will check that out

[strange flume]

Fractal has a couple decent choices, they're just often expensive

Not standout but more than functional

If you were gonna put them on the aio I would swap, but just for case ventilation they're good

[shrewd maple]

Ah ok got it.

Thank you both!!

[strange flume]

Np

[shrewd maple]

Wait…. One more lol

Differences between 2 fan and 3 fan aio’s? Mounting on top

What’s quieter… 2 fan?

[strange flume]

On a 7800x3d, nothing

Honestly a good 240mm will do pretty much all am5

Might struggle with a pbo 9950x

But not a 7950x

[knotty sparrow]

280mm would generally be slightly quieter by the nature of larger fans

[strange flume]

Ye except no 280 thermalright

Only arctic

[knotty sparrow]

B stock lf2?

They're like $60 usually

[strange flume]

That works

Tho you're not really improving much on a 7800x3d

It will ramp fans regardless unless you use a different metric

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah $60
https://www.ebay.com/itm/355773832651

[knotty eagle]

Fan Control, set a fan profile, no fan ramp. I run mine at 55% all day err day even gaming and CPU cold

[shrewd maple]

240 and 280 are both 2 fan? Sorry still learning the lingo

[knotty sparrow]

Yes both 2 fans, different size fans

[shrewd maple]

Ahhh ok

[shrewd maple]

I tried doing this with my kraken x53 and it either runs at full and i cant modify the speed or im doing something wrong haha

[strange flume]

Cam moment

[knotty eagle]

Where'd you have the fans plugged in?

[knotty sparrow]

Probably need to set the header to DC mode if it's 3 pin

[knotty eagle]

Fans are PWM

[shrewd maple]

Ill have to check, not home. What header are aio fans supposed to go into, just normal fan headers i thought?

Pump goes into aio pump

[knotty eagle]

Usually CPU fan, AIO pump into AIO

Can use any SYSFAN header tho too

[shrewd maple]

Ohhh maybe its this then. Could also be Pam vs dc. Ill check it all

[knotty sparrow]

Some motherboards will complain if you don't have something in the CPU fan header

[shrewd maple]

PWM*

[knotty eagle]

Regardless

Use Fan Control instead

Oh, forgot that has an AIO screen, you'll need CAM for that

[shrewd maple]

Ur saying this because i currently have an NZXT aio?

[knotty eagle]

Yes

LF3 doesn't need CAM

Use Fan Control

[shrewd maple]

Ohhhhh

[knotty eagle]

Or thermalright or whatever you get

[shrewd maple]

Ok so new aio. Stick with fans. Plug everything into the correct headers. Fan control

I now have a project to complete tomorrow. Ty folks

[strange flume]

Np

[shrewd maple]

sent some time this morning trying to make what have work while the arctic LFC iii makes its way to my doorstep tomorrow. i love the way the new krakens look but in messing w/ CAM this morning, i hate the thought i would need CAM to control the AIO but then need to control the rest of the fans via fan control or BIOS. when i ramp the AIO up to higher speeds i hear a weird sound coming from either the AIO or the coolermaster fans i connected to it so maybe it's going out anyways. and because i disabled fan control, and i dont have an NZXT fan hub, i cant control case fans from CAM so pretty sure theyre going nuts (i think the loudest noise is case fans vs GPU fans) when i fire up diablo 4.

hate replacing stuff that should still "work" but hoping that by just replacing the AIO (and the fans i have connected to it currently) with something new that doesnt require cam, my noise problems will go away

all components were also in the correct headers

[weary raft]

what kind of sound

it could be just air bubbles getting in the pump

[shrewd maple]

A little cool whine sound (pump I’m guessing) and fast spinning fan noises. Clearly fans connected to AIO. But the most concerning noise that happens only periodically is what I think you explain above. Does that mean it’s on the fritz?

[weary raft]

nah, it depends on how your radiator and tubing is placed

if it's top mount, there shouldnt ever be air bubble noises, and if it's front mount with the radiator hoses on the bottom, then that also shouldnt have bubble noises

[shrewd maple]

It’s top mount

And I did have stuff plugged into the wrong headers. I had the pump connected to CPU fan and fans connected to sys fan. Should pump go into AIO PUMP and fans into CPU fan? Does this make a difference?

[weary raft]

A tiny bit
That could explain why your fans were so loud
By default, usually your pump speed is set to 100% all the time when the PC is on, and the fan is set to vary the speed depending on temperature for most motherboards

That could cause some weird noises

[shrewd maple]

narrowed down the noise... its gotta be the fan? sounds like the sound id imagine a bad bearing would make and its definitely coming from one of the radiator fans. it happs in short bursts when the fans wind up as i play... also probably a sign that my settings in fan control are not set up well as my fans pulse when in heavy activity in diablo4

[weary raft]

yeah you have to set your fan curves to be more gradual or else the fans will keep ramping up and down noticeably

[shrewd maple]

so youre saying this aint it? lol

[weary raft]

lmao

yeah that's a bit on the extreme side

[shrewd maple]

still big wind ups w/ this

[knotty eagle]

You realize that's gpu fans only right

[weary raft]

your gpu will never be at under 20c realistically speaking
depending on how overbuilt your cooler is, you dont really need the curve to even get to 100% speed tbh

[knotty eagle]

And not case fans

[weary raft]

also yeah that's just the gpu fans

[shrewd maple]

yeah youre right i got confused. then the noise and that ramping are not related

for reference

[weary raft]

well, maybe not
but it also could be

fans ramping up and down constantly is more noticable of a sound than a fan running at a constant speed

because your brain kinda starts to ignore a constant sound after a while

[knotty sparrow]

One key setting for the curve is the step up time. That directly affects how quick it is to react and ramp up the fans. Too low and it will be constantly ramping every time the OS pings the CPU and it spikes up for a second.

"Response time" from those images. Looks to be set at 3 seconds on the GPU right now, which is probably ok, but we don't see what the AIO fans are doing.

[shrewd maple]

replaced the aio. its not ramping arctic liquid freeze iii is already way better than my kraken x53, super quiet and temps are great

fans are silent

but.... still have that weird sound

[strange flume]

Weird sound?

[shrewd maple]

...and its coming from the PSU??? i put my ear next to every single component and almost positive its the PSU

yeah like short bursts of crackling or something, very hard to describe

[strange flume]

Bubbles?

Like something out of a tap?

[shrewd maple]

no dont think so, its coming from the bottom of my pc

[strange flume]

Running water?

[shrewd maple]

i think its the psu

[strange flume]

Huh

Confusion

Not sure what that is lol

[shrewd maple]

i know heh

no idea how to describe it

[strange flume]

Clicking?

Grinding?

[shrewd maple]

yes kind of, short burst of grinding

thats probably trhe best description

[strange flume]

Loud or not

That's probably the psu fan

[shrewd maple]

definitely audible without headphones on from my chair, dont even have to get close

normal? or nah

[strange flume]

Is it like

Consistent timing

[shrewd maple]

not really, but its in short bursts of like half a second maybe less

seems to be during like big moments in diablo 4

[strange flume]

It sounds like the psu fan could be on its way out

[shrewd maple]

RMA time then i suppose

[strange flume]

You play the game, pc uses a lot of power, fan kicks on

Then the bearing grinds

[shrewd maple]

roger ok

[strange flume]

That's how I'd describe it

If not the psu, probably a fan of some description

You can pop the psu out of the case and run it on the desk to check

[shrewd maple]

true good call

[strange flume]

Cos sometimes you might hear the noise from somewhere, but it's not the source

Like it could be coming from the p12s on the new aio you just got

Track it down to be sure

[shrewd maple]

so thats definitely not normal/acceptable then yeah? like i could live with it i guess... i just feel like my pc shouldnt be making noises like this ha

[strange flume]

I would say grinding noises are not normal no

Lol

[shrewd maple]

its 100% not the aio, i had this same sound before i replaced the aio

[strange flume]

Hm

[shrewd maple]

and i hought it was coming from the aio originally. which is part of the reason why i bought a new one

[strange flume]

If you record the sound we could listen to what it is

A grinding sound to me tho > pretty sure that's a fan

Like crunching grinding

Like food processor/mixer? Sort of noise, kinda

[shrewd maple]

no, not that extreme. ill try to record. its not THAT loud

[strange flume]

Alr

[shrewd maple]

whats the defac u stress test, furmark?

defacto

[strange flume]

Yeah that would work

Or occt power

Furmark is probably, closer to diablo

[low pumice]

Can test one thing at a time on occt to try to narrow things down

[strange flume]

But occt power would push all of it

Yeah

Occt would be a bit better to work with, true

[shrewd maple]

ok now think ur right, its a fan but in the gpu

happens on wind up

[weary raft]

time to remove fan shroud and cable tie case fans to the gpu heatsink ong ong fr

[shrewd maple]

Clear as day

[strange flume]

Ooo ok

[shrewd maple]

hear that? im not insane right

[strange flume]

Turn off pc. Pop that bad boi out, clean it and check it for anything it's touching

It may in fact be the gpu with a dying bearing fan

EVGA are good, they'll get you sent a new one or replace it themselves

(fan)

[weary raft]

kinda sounds like the clacks of a hdd lmfao

[strange flume]

It does yeah

That's a perfect description LOL

[shrewd maple]

yup bingo haha

[strange flume]

Gpu is loading up age of empires in the vram

[shrewd maple]

just gotta figure out how to open this gpu up now

[strange flume]

Ah nah you don't have to

Just pop it out, give it a clean

If you have a warranty still, give evga a holler

They'll take it and refurbish it if you can't fix the sound by cleaning

Kinda looks like a 3070 to me

So it may not be ramping the fans much at all

Iirc that specific model is good for ftw3

[shrewd maple]

3080ti

This one is an RMA, familiar w the process

Yup cleaned and same thing. RMA time

[strange flume]

Sadge

[floral rune]

Whats the cheapest but best fan yall would recommened for the 7600x

[sacred pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3

[floral rune]

thank ya

[sacred pagoda]

For a tad more you can get an rgb fan as well

[floral rune]

no thanks, we just want something that works lol

[sacred pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Js2WGX/thermalright-assassin-x-refined-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-refined-se-argb

But yeah for the price it's great

[floral rune]

sounds good to me

[strange flume]

Anyone able to do a bit of learning on asiahorse's unifan clones? I won't be able to look today

[sinful heart]

Scythe please release the white fuma

[shrewd juniper]

Why? Just get a peerless assassin 120

[sinful heart]

Not sure if it will fit in my case

I see some n200 builds that have it but clearances vary depending on the motherboard

I just found out the peerless assassin pa120 fits with my motherboard

[sacred wren]

There's also the silver soul 110 and 135

[sinful heart]

Yeah

Chungus cooling

[tender folio]

whats your case

also theres also the peerless assasin mini

[dreamy locust]

Are these any good for €15?
Are the TR c12c better for €11?

[weary raft]

Did some light research and it appears that the sickleflow fans are sleeve bearings?
Tr says that the c12c is fluid dynamic (specifically s-fdb; sleeve fluid dynamic bearing)

[dreamy locust]

Better overall?

[weary raft]

sleeve bearings are the cheapest (and worst) fan bearing type

while fluid dynamic is good, though idk if sleeve fluid dynamic bearings are the regular type of fluid dynamic bearings like what arctic has 🧐

is the 11 euro per fan or for a set of 3? because if it's per fan, you might as well get the arctic p12 value 5 pack

[dreamy locust]

11 for 3 fan set

[weary raft]

ah

yeah that would explain it

those are probably both just sleeve bearings

[dreamy locust]

I feel like you cant beat that TR value

[weary raft]

sleeve bearing fans dont last very long

if you dont mind the noise, you're better off with dual ball bearing fans, or fluid dynamic (if you want it to be quiet)

those will last considerably longer

[dreamy locust]

Thanks for all the info pal

[weary raft]

my cousin's sleeve bearing fans that came with his prebuilt all died (there were only 2 fans) in within 3 years, while you would ususally see ball bearing fans last considerably longer

same with proper fluid dynamic

well, ball bearing ususally is the most reliable

and is also the type used on pretty much all servers

[dreamy locust]

What aio size would you recommend to cool a 7950x3d in a 10-15L itx case with a 4080s?

• I'd be really grateful if someone could help me find a comparison between arctic freezer 34 esports duo and 36 using the same fans. I just want to know if the heatsink has been improved by much and think about swapping to get slightly quieter operation

Otherwise I'll just test it myself. Even tho I don't really want to disassemble again

On my sort of itx build I have 3× TR c12c's + one sickleflow all daisy chained. I'll update you in the future to see which one dies first... jkjk

[weary raft]

honestly i dont think you would really need an aio for that? a dual tower cooler should be able to cool that sufficently, at least from what guru3d says that the max power consumption is around 162w at stock
https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-processor-review/page-6/#:~:text=Please note that PPT (max power consumption) is roughly 162W.
though honestly, get the size of aio that fits in your case the best, because putting a 240 aio into like, a case that could fit a 360 or whatever always looks kinda goofy

oh itx case

[dreamy locust]

I also thought of that if it wasn't itx

[weary raft]

just fit whatever fits ig lmfao

[dreamy locust]

Budget is really high so ig just go for the biggest (and best) aio that can fit...?

Has to be quiet and usually <60mm air coolers get noisy

[weary raft]

i mean, biggest would probably be like 240 or 280 or smth idk

[dreamy locust]

Probably

[weary raft]

idk how big of an aio your case supports

[dreamy locust]

Need to figure out what case to get

[weary raft]

oh

[dreamy locust]

Recommendations?

[weary raft]

idk many itx cases

[dreamy locust]

I already excluded fractal terra because of the aio limitations

I was thinking phanteks evolv

If that's not too bad or too pricy.

Formd t1 also quite nice but need to check clearance for parts

[low pumice]

Considering how close they perform already and how there's no major difference between the heatsinks, chances are most of the gains come from the fan

[low pumice]

Maybe a jonsbo d31, can fit 360mm if you wanted

[dreamy locust]

:0

That's an amazing case

• the lcd

And just 50 buck for the base version!?

Absolutely amazing recommendation, thanks

[low pumice]

Thank Felix, he's the big proponent of the d31

[dreamy locust]

Even if it's not itx I'd really love to use it in a mAtx build

[low pumice]

It is a nice little case, for actual itx, maybe one of the dan case cases

[ornate chasm]

Question my brothers AIO is setup like this, is this ok? The fans are doing blowing out but its very tight back where its blowing and I don’t really agree having the pump up top

[tender folio]

you got the fan and radiator mounted on backwards

you wanna put the fans on the bottom

also i hope you didnt pay more than 50$ for that 🙏

[weary raft]

Doesn't matter

Oh wait blowing out

If they're RGB fans and you want to see them outside, then make them blow into the radiator

As for the cpu block, as long as the pump is below the top of the radiator, that's fine

[weary raft]

If you have the option, having the radiator be top mount would be ideal
Have it also be the exhaust so it doesn't suck as much dust into the rad

[strange flume]

It doesn't really matter

The case is h510

Whatever goes in there bakes if total draw is over 300w

[weary raft]

Oh that is the h510

[strange flume]

Ye

H510 or s340

Either way it's a bakelite oven

Lol

[weary raft]

💀

New case time

I see that 2.5 slot GPU with that phat heatsink

This PC gonna suffer

[knotty sparrow]

Maybe it's the H510 Flow, in which case it's still not great but at least it's not instant overheat

If it's not the Flow then you want every fan as exhaust and the rad on top

It's the exception to the positive pressure rule

[strange flume]

@knotty sparrow @sacred wren
Take note
https://youtube.com/shorts/8W1eGgJAUEU

[ruby orbit]

I bought a build recommend by newegg but the cooler isn't compatible. Can someone help me find a liquid cooler that is compatible with:

ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI AMD X670 AM5 Ryzen Desktop 9000 8000 & 7000 ATX motherboard, 18+2 power stages, DDR5, 4x M.2 slots with heatsink, PCIe 5.0, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2, WiFi 6E, AI Cooling II

AMD Ryzen 9 7900X - Zen 4 12-Core 4.7 GHz - Socket AM5 - 170W Desktop Processor (100-100000589WOF)

I got the Kraken Elite 360 but it will not work with the motherboard

[sacred wren]

I genuinely wouldn't suggest any of those three

Cpu maybe if you're not gaming

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CnmZsh

That's likely cheaper than the cpu mobo and cooler you got all around, 20% better in games, 25% better in multi core tasks

Motherboard is basically as good as am5 gets, and that heatsink is as good as heatsinks gets

If you want an aio
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CfcgXL/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-a-rgb-4882-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00144a

[ruby orbit]

I already have all the parts and like to keep returns to a minimum. I'm hoping to just swap out the cooler

[sacred wren]

You do you, but my guess is you overspent at least a few hundred dollars on unnoticeable differences

[ruby orbit]

I asked customer service about a compatible replacement and they sent me to the discord.

[sacred wren]

Yes newegg customer support is useless

[knotty sparrow]

idk why Newegg still has that build tool up, it's absolutely horrible. I've seen it recommend DDR5 memory on a DDR4 build. You can just get that AIO bacca linked, assuming the 360mm fits the case. If not there's the 280mm model.

[sacred wren]

I'm sure they could even do some type of collab with pcpartpicker to replace it

[ruby orbit]

I didn't know about parts picker. Very inexperienced builder. I put my setup in there and it says the cooler is compatible, but none of the brackets fit. What am I missing?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kx6f6D

Do I need a different bracket?

[sacred wren]

Yes a different bracket from the manufacturer

Or return it and get a better cooler for $200-150 cheaper

Same build, far superior cpu, far cheaper https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gv3JjH

Just for reference

[shrewd juniper]

Just to note the pop air might be a tight fit

[toxic canyon]

woo

[dreamy locust]

Is the noctua nh c14s a valid cpu cooler for €30? Many say it's more of a low profile cooler, despite being one of the tallest. Are there any other options?

[knotty sparrow]

It's one of the best coolers that fall into the low profile category. I would only get it if you specifically needed a low profile cooler.

[dreamy locust]

Ill think about it
Maybe I should consider a case maximum cooler height before buying it, since not many itx get up to 115/142mm height

Wow the cooler is 9 years old, keeps up like the old d15

[sacred pagoda]

air cooler tech isn't exactly progressing rapidly. heat pipes + fin stack + contact plate is tried and true

Though as we've seen with Thermalright manufacturing costs have def come down

[strange flume]

Coldplate performance has evolved significantly over the last couple years

Manufacturers are seeing limits elsewhere in the laws of physics, so better pressure dispersion designs are making their performance prowess very apparent

[snow gulch]

Just got a message that my brother bought the MSI Aegis R2 Gaming Desktop from Costco. Model: B14NUE9-683US

What cooling upgrade you guys think would be best? I was thinking of a 360mm radiator

[sacred wren]

I wouldnt buy a pre built just to throw an overpriced cooling solution into it

[snow gulch]

id rather build it myself, but it is what it is.

[weary raft]

let your brother suffer from the consequences of his actions (buying a prebuilt) frfr

[knotty sparrow]

Update that BIOS immediately or it will die, if it isn't damaged already from factory testing.
The 14900 non K uses a little less power. A thermalright 360mm aio should do the trick for about $50.

[fluid lichen]

Oh god yeah its got a 14900

He should not have bought a 14/13th gen Intel

[weary raft]

Though, I just thought of something
Wouldn't it be better if you didn't update it, so that Costco could replace or give you a refund if it does randomly since they have such good cs

Technically their fault for selling and not telling the user that something needs to be updated

[strange flume]

No, you wouldn't be held accountable

It falls under diligence

Whether you're privy to the circumstances or not, you making the effort to prevent something, if anything, is very favourable in the circumstances of a warranty

[weary raft]

i mean, considering costco warranty

[strange flume]

It becomes an issue if you do something that's considered untoward

So let's say

[weary raft]

idk if they would care much in that case, considering that you can return pretty much anything no questions asked

[strange flume]

(Albeit illegal)

Let's say

You take a gpu apart

Most brands don't want you doing that

So you took it apart to check if it's ok, but they find the damage, they would consider it violation

Albeit illegal

But on the other hand

If you ran the fans stronger to keep it cool

Or turned off the rgb to preserve them

Like updating everything, that would fall under due diligence

However if something breaks, and there's a trail to demonstrate human interference with the product in a way not considered normal behaviour, like a missing mlc

Then they'd call that a violation

Well, a lot would

Again, illegal, in a number of places

Lol

[simple anchor]

If I were to get an AIO for my R7 7700X, what is considered the best?

Radiator size isn't a concern, I have a Meshify 2

I'd like it to be quiet(er), but my 7800 XT has a decent amount of coil whine so it probably won't matter much

[knotty sparrow]

Liquid Freezer II or III is considered one of the top for AM4/AM5 at a reasonable price. You can find B-stock on ebay for cheap too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/355773832670

https://www.ebay.com/itm/355773832651

https://www.ebay.com/itm/355773846343

While you can technically fit a 420mm radiator on top, it severely restricts motherboard component height and memory height. It's also entirely unnecessary even for a 7950X.

And the liquid freezers are too thick to fit on top so you would need to front mount, which is fine. You could even do push/pull with the preinstalled 140mm fans.

[simple anchor]

hmm

Odd block design

[knotty sparrow]

They have a fan on the CPU block to cool the VRM

[simple anchor]

w h a t

[knotty sparrow]

It's mostly a gimmick feature but sometimes it's useful

Mostly in low airflow cases

[simple anchor]

Not sure if I'm much of a fan of the design

Do EK's AIOs still hold up on AM5?

[knotty sparrow]

EK is dying

[simple anchor]

I see they also aren't $200 anymore

[knotty sparrow]

As a company

[simple anchor]

Oh

[knotty sparrow]

You can buy it but expect zero support, warranty, or RMA

[simple anchor]

I like the design on EK's block and the fans, I don't like how Arctic's look much

[knotty sparrow]

Newer model too? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09VGXMTK4?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[simple anchor]

It's better but still eh, it might be the triangle logo

[knotty sparrow]

Easy fix, black tape

[simple anchor]

Maybe because it's a picture and not real life

[knotty sparrow]

RGB variant 280 https://www.ebay.com/itm/355478718067

[simple anchor]

I think that fan just kind of makes it look goofy

Yeah just looked at that

[knotty sparrow]

If you front mount it you won't see that side of the fan

You also won't see it while it's spinning

[simple anchor]

Is there anything else that performs the same or similarly?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes but not for a similar price

[simple anchor]

How much more are we talking

I mean as long as it lasts and isn't ridiculously expensive I'd probably be fine with it

[knotty sparrow]

Well I would say deepcool mystique... but sanctions 🙃

So the Galahad II would be the other option

[simple anchor]

Wdym?

I remember seeing something about that but I don't remember exactly what it was

[knotty sparrow]

US government says no one can do business with deepcool any more because they supplied fans to Russian companies

[simple anchor]

🗿

Oh Fractal makes AIOs?

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah they're ok, middle of the pack perfomance

https://www.amazon.com/Lian-Li-Galahad-Trinity-Performance/dp/B0CDF2HZH4

Another thick radiator, no VRM fan this time just infinity mirror

[simple anchor]

How much was the 240mm Mystique before sanctions?

Found an eBay listing for $89.99

(new)

[knotty sparrow]

$150

It's cheap now because you won't have any support, returns, RMA, etc

[simple anchor]

Oh

[knotty sparrow]

Same deal as EK but for different reasons

EK just got greedy

[simple anchor]

Website seems like you can still get support/RMA

[knotty sparrow]

Not in the US

[simple anchor]

Oh

[knotty sparrow]

And the company is dying a slow death so no guarantee if the pump dies in a year you can get support

[simple anchor]

Dang

[knotty sparrow]

Personally I would take the deal, $90 and it has the LCD and everything. It's not a huge loss if it does break.

It's not like a power supply where if it dies it takes half the system out in the process

[simple anchor]

Yeah lol

Not really any chance of a leak right?

Or at least not one you wouldn't notice before installing it

[knotty sparrow]

Leaks are extremely rare

And usually caused by mishandling

[simple anchor]

How does that happen? Like crushing a tube or pulling it too much?

Oh, this is the 240mm version

[knotty sparrow]

That's plenty for a 7700X

[simple anchor]

Okay

[knotty sparrow]

Or drop it and a fitting bends

[simple anchor]

Should be fine when I upgrade down the line too, right? Probably a 9000 series X3D if they're even worth it when they come out.

[knotty sparrow]

If the 9800X3D runs like the 7800X3D does then yes.

The 7800X3D runs on the Wraith Prism.

The literal AMD stock cooler handles that chip, it's super efficient.

[simple anchor]

Realistic I'd probably be waiting another gen or two, but

[simple anchor]

Oh

Has the Wraith Prism changed since it was originally shipped?

[knotty sparrow]

Nope

[simple anchor]

lol

[knotty sparrow]

It's still the same as when it came with the 3700X

[simple anchor]

I saw there was a deal on the 5800X, or "deal" since it's only like $10 off of $189.99, might end up getting one for the computer my brother and dad use

It's using my old 2700X with the Wraith cooler that came with it

[knotty sparrow]

Nah, get a 5700 if you're going that route

Same processor but cheaper and you can use PBO to get it up to the 5800X

[simple anchor]

5700X or just 5700?

[knotty sparrow]

Whichever is cheaper

Also acceptable is the 5600X3D, 5700X3D

[simple anchor]

Well that deal isn't really a deal when Amazon has it for $160 lol

It's weird to see the 5000 series now be around the price that my 2700X was in 2020

[knotty sparrow]

If you're considering any AM4 chip it's worth looking at used options

The price on new is wack because it's discontinued

I'd sell you my 5800X but MSI decided I didn't need a processor any more and burned it

[simple anchor]

$160 sounds about right to me for how much the 2700X was new with the amount of time since it came out when I bought it

[simple anchor]

How did that happen

MSI PSU?

[knotty sparrow]

BIOS update pushed 1.5V under load into the CPU and it hard locked, never POSTed again.

[simple anchor]

rip

It's crazy how little voltage can fry a CPU

[knotty sparrow]

CPU light lit on motherboard even after I flashed an older version back, and it worked with a different CPU, so it's definitely fried. My CPU warranty was 2 weeks expired. 💀

[simple anchor]

Immediately thought of that meme template

And I assume MSI support did absolutely nothing about it?

[knotty sparrow]

Nah motherboard was out of warranty too so they said tough luck

[simple anchor]

Yeah so I'll probably get that AIO, the Deep Cool one

Seems like more than anything my brother's computer needs more storage and an SSD that isn't slow

For whatever reason the 500GB 980 (Pro I think?) in it has slowed down a lot

It is kind of full but I don't think that should be slowing it down, so it might be dying

Probably get a 2TB Solidigm P44 Pro as a replacement and get rid of the HDD that's in there too

[knotty sparrow]

Make sure the Samsung software is installed so that it can update the firmware and keep the drive from killing itself

[simple anchor]

🗿

[knotty sparrow]

If it's 90%+ full then just about any SSD slows down

[simple anchor]

Should I do that with my EVO PRO too?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[simple anchor]

Oh

Yeah really the whole thing needs more storage

One of the next things I want for mine is to replace the Samsung SSD and probably get two P44 Pros

Maybe not replace but I could keep it as extra storage and get rid of the two smaller SSDs I have

(dying) 1TB 860 EVO and a 480GB KODAK

The Kodak has a lot written and used to be my OS drive, kind of surprised it has lost as little health as it has

[simple anchor]

Just ordered it. Is there anything I should know about AIO installation? Never really done it before.

[knotty sparrow]

No, it's basically the same as installing an air cooler. Possibly easier since you have a larger case.

Just follow the manual

This is one of those times where you really, really want to pay attention since with CPU coolers in general, a single washer out of place means bad contact.

[simple anchor]

fun

I should probably blow it out lol

[hollow dome]

For AIO (Liquid Cooling) do I need to refill the water in the water block? My friend told me its a liquid that apparently renew or something so you dont need to refill but it doesnt make sense to me

[sacred wren]

No

Most aios don't even give you the option afaik

An aio will last 3-5 years typically, a heatsink will last 10+, as long as it can cool your cpu I would definitely go for a heatsink

Any am5 cpu and most intel cpus with the exception of 12900k, 14700k, 13900k, and 14900k are fine with a heatsink

[strange flume]

Typically you shouldn't need to no

[hollow dome]

When buying a new pc should I get a heatsink or AIO whats the difference

[sacred wren]

What are you using the pc for and what cpu/cpus are you considering

Any am5 cpu, just get a good heatsink like the phantom spirit 120

[hollow dome]

top hardware gaming

[sacred wren]

That means nothing

[hollow dome]

idk i9 14900k
rtx 4090 or wait for rtx 5090

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3BXW28

[knotty sparrow]

I'd strongly advise not getting a 14900K. They've been offing themselves due to excessive voltage. There's potential fixes in place but they do affect performance.
Not to mention the 7800X3D is just flat out better for gaming overall. The 9800X3D is supposedly launching Oct 24, I'd wait for that. By then Intel should have their new Arrow Lake series out too, so you can compare performance then.

[fluid lichen]

Ooof

Don't get 14 or 13th gen high end fr

[strange flume]

I'm inclined the other way personally

AMD is gouging the price of their 7800X3D

And a launch price of $600 or $700 for a 9800X3D wouldn't be all that surprising to me honestly

[fluid lichen]

I'll go for the 5800x3d then kekw

Who needs a new mobo?

[simple anchor]

@knotty sparrow any recommendations for fixing bubbling sounds and the sound of the pump?

I assume they're related

The good news is it's cooling

and better than with an air cooler

Idle anyway

well that's concerning

the software thinks the pump and fans are at 0 RPMs

It definitely isn't

ah you know what

is that received from the USB header?

it could be disabled 🗿

There aren't exactly text-based instructions, do I also need to plug that connector in even though I have the other one in?

I'm not even sure where I would plug that in, pretty sure I don't have a header like that

USB connector doesn't seem to have changed anything, actually turned the screen off

[knotty sparrow]

Rock the PC forward and back slowly a few times with it running, then side to side. That should get rid of the larger pockets, but the smaller ones will have to work themselves out over time.

[simple anchor]

This sound is what I'm getting, apparently letting it sit and run for a few days is the solution
https://www.reddit.com/r/PcBuild/comments/1dlmgo0/deepcool_mystique_aio_240_bubbles_noise_help/

[simple anchor]

Yeah it sounds like all small pockets

just a somewhat annoying sound from the pump to go with it

I love AM5 temps

[knotty sparrow]

You'll want this one plugged into the CPU fan so it reports the tachometer speed

[simple anchor]

I think the CPU one is in a stupid place and I just plugged it into one of the three at the top

[knotty sparrow]

It does appear to be shorter than the other cables, likely because the CPU fan header is usually close to the CPU

[simple anchor]

okay it's not in a weird place

it's right next to where I plugged it in

[knotty sparrow]

The RPM will be read off whatever header you plugged into

[simple anchor]

lmao

[simple anchor]

no idea what I have there now

That spot is a pain to get to

Does it matter for testing with a game?

seems like it's speeding up when it should

fans are anyway

[knotty sparrow]

Not really

[simple anchor]

damn

[knotty sparrow]

As long as it's triggering according to CPU temp

[simple anchor]

48C

Steady 59C in a Fortnite match, and in a mode with generally bad performance because of all of the effects

damn I already miss the quality of my earbuds using my old headphones for two seconds

Hasn't gone over 60 once

[weary raft]

wait for the aio to saturate and then adjust fan curves so that you idle at ~60 and under load at ~80 so that it's quieter

[simple anchor]

lol

PBO back on

trol~1

It's actually quiet other than sounds caused by the bubbles

[simple anchor]

Actually I wonder why the fans also show 0 RPM

pretty sure they're plugged into CPU_OPT which I assume is CPU optional

ohhh

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that header defaults to match the CPU header speed

[simple anchor]

big brain moment

🗿

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah I should have asked what software you were using to read it lol

[simple anchor]

How fast should the pump be running?

or what range

[knotty sparrow]

I keep mine at a steady 60% at all times

[simple anchor]

3300 RPM seems like a lot but I could just not know

[knotty sparrow]

The pump ramping up and down causes a lot of noise and wear so I just keep mine steady

60% for yours would be about 2k rpm

[simple anchor]

Is there other software I should be using to set that?

[knotty sparrow]

I use Fan Control

But BIOS works too

[simple anchor]

https://getfancontrol.com/ ?

[knotty sparrow]

Yep

I go for the github page personally

[simple anchor]

That's where it comes from even when you use the download buttons on the website

!!!

[knotty sparrow]

Edge? It just doesn't know good software when it sees it

[simple anchor]

I think it's just a Chromium thing

[knotty sparrow]

Make sure you actually have .net 8.0 installed, it's not included with Windows

[simple anchor]

I do

It was nice to see a program that actually uses 8 for once

How well does this work with hubs?

[knotty sparrow]

It depends on the hub

Typically it would read it as one fan

[simple anchor]

Whatever the hub is in the Meshify 2

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that's a basic hub so it will read whatever fan is in the tach slot

[simple anchor]

Okay

Wait there's a tach slot?

[knotty sparrow]

It's usually the header that's a different color, or the one that has all 4 pins and not just 3

[simple anchor]

Well Fan Control seems to be a little confused

I can't imagine the fans would be running at 3300 RPM

yeah so that's definitely the pump at 3300

[knotty sparrow]

You can rename it

[simple anchor]

I need to shut it down and redo the cables I guess

[weary raft]

here's my setup for fan control if you want some inspiration

[knotty sparrow]

Mine too, I have a couple more features active like mixes

The mix function is nice because I can have it monitor both the GPU core and VRAM temps and run the fans at the speed called for by the higher of the 2

[weary raft]

You take more temp points than I do lmao

Or actually

Fairly similar amount

Though I take vrms rather than ram temps

and i took the hotspot temp for both cpu and gpu rather than the package temp

[simple anchor]

So this is odd

they're in the right headers

pump is in CPU and fans are in CPU optional

Fan Control didn't detect tach in the pump

Oh okay I can manually choose

I don't seem to be able to actually control it though

Doesn't seem like pump speeds really want to drop

it's jumping now for some reason?

Maybe it just takes a bit to actually go down to low RPMs

[knotty sparrow]

It's also possible that you have more than one software running and it's conflicting

[simple anchor]

yeah apparently the assisted setup doesn't work very well

[simple anchor]

Oh right, GCC

Not sure if the pump actually runs at anything different

Going from 60 to 100% still keeps it at 3300 RPM

[knotty sparrow]

Do you have the header set to PWM or DC mode

[simple anchor]

I have no idea

[knotty sparrow]

It probably wants DC but the default is usually PWM for the CPU header

You would change that in bios

[simple anchor]

Thought so

Well that's interesting

Apparently CMOS got cleared

Are low latency support and xmp/expo high band that support worth enabling?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes

[simple anchor]

Why is Fan Control not starting lol

Saw that coming

Driver state power mode failure BSoD

[knotty sparrow]

What profile did you enable

[simple anchor]

EXPO 1, switched to XMP 1 after the BSoD

[knotty sparrow]

What is the expo profile trying to set

That's the one you want for amd

[simple anchor]

Same as XMP

Which is what I was using fine, probably got reset when I updated the BIOS with GCC the other day

Switch to voltage on the CPU fan header doesn't seem to have done much

For some reason it's jumping up and down now though?

Setting it to 35% made it jump around

[weary raft]

curve too aggressive would do that

also if you have pwm fans, then use pwm control

only use voltage control for dc controlled fans

[knotty sparrow]

It's a 3 pin pump

[weary raft]

ah

[knotty sparrow]

So DC

[simple anchor]

Didn't make a difference

At 60% it's at least sitting at 3300 RPM

[knotty sparrow]

Maybe unplug the USB header?

[simple anchor]

That stops the display from working

[knotty sparrow]

Hmm

[simple anchor]

which also wasn't doing anything with the DeepCool software closed

[knotty sparrow]

Well you might be forced to use the deepcool software, I didn't account for the screen

[simple anchor]

Well that's the thing

I can't set it there

it just displays it

Definitely on voltage mode

[simple anchor]

If I turn the curve off it should go back to system default, right?

[knotty sparrow]

Probably

Maybe try setting a static speed in bios

[simple anchor]

For the pump?

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah

[simple anchor]

Even that doesn't really seem to be doing much? It's still jumping.

[weary raft]

What kind of jumping

[simple anchor]

3300 down to 2000 and lower and back

[weary raft]

Hmm

That is strange

[simple anchor]

I'm about to reset BIOS options so it will hopefully at least not sound like a jet all night

Oh, apparently is actually locked by DeepCool

The pump speed

Doesn't really explain why GCC is running everything like 2,000 rpms

Now they think about it, my case fans aren't showing up on here

I must not be able to control the radiator fans either

[knotty sparrow]

The rad fans should be controllable

They just plug into the board like regular fans

[simple anchor]

Yeah now fan control is actually able to control them, for whatever reason before the automated setup they wouldn't actually change

But pump is definitely not controllable

[knotty sparrow]

I am seeing that deepcool LS coolers had an early run where you could control it, and they updated the pump later to where you couldn't. I think the mystique uses that same pump.

[simple anchor]

Damn Sapphire made this card so quiet

[simple anchor]

For whatever reason it just jumps around when you try to change it, trying to keep itself at 3300

I think I need to look at where the heck the fan hub is plugged in because this isn't detecting it as far as I can tell

[knotty sparrow]

Possibly from not getting enough voltage

[simple anchor]

The hub?

[knotty sparrow]

the pump

[simple anchor]

Actually I think it's showing up but the software is confused

[simple anchor]

Oh, you're saying the jumping is

[knotty sparrow]

yes

[simple anchor]

Why are some of these darker than the others?

Or why are some dark and not accessible

[knotty sparrow]

They're detected as a sensor but getting no data

You can hide them

[simple anchor]

Radiator fans are that way

GPU and fan hub aren't

Pump is that way too but that makes sense

[knotty sparrow]

Can you hit the toggle to enable control?

[simple anchor]

Yeah, it's grayed out but apparently I can still use the slider lol

[knotty sparrow]

Right, you'd be able to set a curve and not have it apply that way

[simple anchor]

Interesting

[knotty sparrow]

You have chipset drivers installed right

[simple anchor]

GPU fans don't seem to have an interest in turning off even though they usually would at this temp

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that's expected

[simple anchor]

I switched to the GPU controls off

[knotty sparrow]

It's sort of a bug, but more of a bug with the GPU drivers

[simple anchor]

The curve/manual control off

[simple anchor]

Oh

dang

Could I reinstall without the RDNA plugin so it goes back to it lol

[knotty sparrow]

Whenever any external software tries to control fan speeds the driver disables the 0 rpm mode and sets a minimum fan speed of about 30%

[simple anchor]

????

[knotty sparrow]

There's a workaround

[simple anchor]

Oh

Ah my favorite sound, bubbles on the AIO (not really)

Although the coil whine on my motherboard might be a contender for a more annoying issue, especially since the bubbles will go away after a few days

[knotty sparrow]

Did you try calibrating the GPU fans

[simple anchor]

It did that with the first calibration

And based on RPMs they're at about 30%, like you said

[knotty sparrow]

So the GPU graph needs to have 0% set up to the point where adrenalin says the 0% point is, and then the next step should be 30%

And you should enable ADLX in settings > edit sources

Nvidia has their own fun issues with third parties too

[simple anchor]

Okay

Thanks for all of the help

[simple anchor]

Huh

well now I can't control the radiator fans

And for some reason I can't change back to custom tuning in Adrenalin

for anything, not sure why

[simple anchor]

hmm

Adrenalin doesn't seem to be playing well with Fan Control

BSoD again, same driver power state error

Yeah, it's Adrenalin and FanControl conflicting

Sould I be using whatever this power connection is for the pump (System 4 Pump)?

[simple anchor]

In BIOS with Smart Fan 6, setting the pump to full speed seems to undervolt or maybe overvolt it and it won't stay at 3300

I can't control the radiator fans for some reason, the only profile that changes anything is full speed and it just turns them off

Okay now I'm really confused

Radiator fans are sitting around 500 RPMs at full speed

I had to manually set it to full speed for the pump to not get undervolted for some reason

And seems like the deep cool software is controlling the fans now?

[simple anchor]

Okay so in BIOS it's fine, but as soon as I boot Windows it doesn't cool well even though it's at high RPMs

I think Fan Control might be the problem

[simple anchor]

Okay so it isn't the problem, but it also can't actually control the radiator fans

[simple anchor]

bro

whoever wrote this manual should be fired

The dotted lines apparently indicate anything that is required

Somehow, that extender isn't just an extender

[urban sluice]

What's wrong with it

That loooks clear to me xD

Chain 3 fan

Then into the cpu fan header

[simple anchor]

No, it needs the "extender" or the fans don't work right

Plugging the daisy chained fans directly in doesn't work right for some reason

They came daisy chained and the "extender" was seperate

[urban sluice]

You dont have it?

[urban sluice]

Thats not what manual says how its done

Look again

[urban sluice]

Yeah like the manual says

[simple anchor]

Yeah, dotted lines aren't exactly clear that something is required, to me anyway

And there's no text saying what the extender actually is

G just has a picture of it folded in half

[weary raft]

ngl it doesnt really make sense for it to be required

unless they swapped some pins around

[simple anchor]

yeah, and that part doesn't make sense

[knotty sparrow]

Swapping pin 3 and 4 to make it a proprietary fan is a jerk move

But I have seen it before

[simple anchor]

It does kind of make my cable management nicer

with a longer cable

Not a ton I can do with a half an inch heatsink above the socket on the mobo

[severe moon]

i5-14600k air cooler?

Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO $26
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Halo $30
Thermalright Peerless Assassin 90 SE $25
Thermalright Assassin Spirit 120 EVO Dark $20

I like the 120 EVO Dark but afraid of that price. No overclocking btw.

[sacred wren]

you need a good dual tower for a 14600k

phantom spirit or pa120

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-evo-69-cfm-cpu-cooler-phantom-spirit-120-evo
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

out of the coolers you mentioned the 90 se is the best, followed by the 120 evo dark

[severe moon]

The Phantom Spirit Evo looks awesome

its $50 tho

i want like a black cooler

i guess the 120 SE looks fine

[sacred wren]

give me a few min

[sacred wren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MFvD4D/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-58-cfm-cpu-cooler-frozn-a620-pro-se

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HbRsY/id-cooling-frozn-a620-black-7825-cfm-cpu-cooler-frozn-a620-black

[regal plaza]

Kinda worried about my GPU temps. This is with a 360 + 240 full custom loop

It has a few kinks in the loop but I didn't expect it to impact it this much

I assume it's probably just paste?

[weary raft]

still technically within spec? though how many watts is it pulling? it might be boosting to the thermal limit, so it's not throttling

or actually

it's a mount issue

[regal plaza]

415-500

[weary raft]

your hot spot is 100 while the rest of the die is 48c?

[regal plaza]

Yeah, and specifically the GCD hotspot

My friend told me it might be pump out a bad mount or just degraded thermal paste

[weary raft]

yeah gcd is the... graphical compute die?

i think that was what it stood for

[regal plaza]

sounds right to me

[weary raft]

is this a new build/waterblock installation

if it's a new build, chances are it's just a bad mount

if it's not new, then the thermal paste probably is a little dried out

[regal plaza]

I built it August

And it was like, 70C max then

But I didn’t monitor that much

[weary raft]

yeah it possibly is a bad mount

i would recommend redoing it

which gpu is this? 400-500w is a normal draw amount for a higher end gpu

[regal plaza]

XTX

7900

[weary raft]

ah

[regal plaza]

I will say though lol, I EVC modded it so there is no backplate

Not sure if that hurts the mount a ton

[weary raft]

honestly

there probably isnt actually an issue? 400w is already more than base clock for the xtx i believe

it might just be boosting till the hotspot reaches the thermal limit

[regal plaza]

Yeah base is like 350(?). I just am annoyed by the noise lol

I doubt this kink helps though

There’s like 2 on that level

[weary raft]

stock power draw is 355w it seems

yeah the kink probably restricts waterflow greatly

not a small kink either

that probably reduced the usable ID to like half

[regal plaza]

Will probably remount with better paste and fix the kinks

Hopefully that fixes it

[weary raft]

and also should dust it lmao

starting to get a bit of a build up there lol

[regal plaza]

Yeah I noticed that 😭

[weary raft]

honestly i dont think that the paste is the issue, because if that were bad, i would probably expect the whole die to be a bit more toastier? but asides from the hotspot, the die temp is ~50c which is normal, and doesnt really show much sign of paste going bad

the VRMs are a little toasty, but i think that's normal due to you pulling around 500w on an xtx

though if the gpu is still using thermal pads, you may want to switch to thermal putty

[regal plaza]

Found a few Reddit posts that recommend PTM pads for this issue but not sure. It does use thermal pads for VRM im pretty sure

Heard a lot of good and bad about PTM

[strange flume]

Bad mount

[strange flume]

^that

[weary raft]

if you don't already have the correct thickness thermal pads that you can use, then get thermal putty, utp-8 specifically
get it before you take the gpu apart since accidentally ripping thermal pads is fairly common and you don't want to have to wait for supplies to come while your gpu sits disassembled

[severe moon]

Opinion on this 10 pack of fans for $20? https://www.ebay.com/itm/286035293637

looking to blackout my lian li o11d

[knotty sparrow]

ID-Cooling doesn't make a single good fan I'm aware of

[knotty sparrow]

For that price it's hard to pass up since they're not as painful on your wallet to replace later when they inevitably fail. Expect them to be loud.

[severe moon]

what other fans are good at low price?

PWM

The Arctic P12 PWM are $6 a fan compared to $2 a fan.

is that the cheapest i can get quality at?

[weary raft]

Rating says that it would be quite quiet at max speed, but trust that as much as you would trust any other for profit company to give you accurate information on their product

You'll get what you pay for

There was something better than the arctic p12 now but I forget what it was

Felix probably knows

[severe moon]

Thermalright TL-C12C

Its $4 a fan

3 for $13

[sacred wren]

Good fans

[severe moon]

upHere 12BK4 $4/fan

• 1800 RPM
• 86.34 CFM
• Hydraulic Bearing
• <25 dBA

Thermalright TL-C12C $4.2/fan

• 1550 RPM
• 66.17 CFM
• Fluid Dynamic Bearing
• <25.6 dBA

Arctic P12 PWM for $6.2/fan

Thermalright TL-S12 for $4.6/fan

• 1500 RPM
• 47.6 CFM
• Fluid Dynamic Bearing
• <23.2 dBA

[deep aspen]

Funny i have specifically the c12c

Good argb, dont sound like my house is on fire when they turn on 🔥

[severe moon]

They were my original choice, but I was thinking about doing a blackout build.

[dry wren]

hi! Which fan cooler do you recomand for Ryzen 5 7600 ?

cpu fan cooler i mean

[deep aspen]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zrP8TW/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-689-cfm-cpu-cooler-as120-evo

This is what i use

And i have basically the same processor as you

[weary raft]

honestly pretty much all of those ratings asides from rpm cant be compared with each other

due to different methods of measurement

[severe moon]

Should I go upHere 12BK4 or Thermalright TL-C12C

its basically those 2

Hydraulic vs FDB bearing

[weary raft]

probably the thermalright

[weary raft]

doesnt really matter as much as it sounds

[severe moon]

I hear FDB is like the best ones (quality control pending)

Only thing above is a good magnetic one

[weary raft]

technically speaking, ball bearing is the most reliable

but is the loudest generally

[severe moon]

isnt FDB bad if used in certain orientations?

like if i have them as top/bottom

its bad

[weary raft]

depends on the design?

technically there's only 3 bearing types
sleeve, maglev, and ball

fdb and hydraulic bearings are technically really just sleeve bearings

[severe moon]

huh

im guessing maglev is hella expensive

[weary raft]

a fair bit more yeah

i think it was like corsair that made one of the only maglev case fans on the market?

they cost as much as noctuas though iirc

[severe moon]

Asus

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Whisper-Quiet-Radiators-lifespan-Magnetic-Levitation/dp/B0955WB2KL?th=1

$24 a fan is still cheaper than corsair lol

i cant believe i paid $60 for three corsair rgb fans in the past

[weary raft]

💀

[severe moon]

i was soo uninformed back then, i bought a 4k60 $600 monitor for gaming

[weary raft]

damn

did it have good hdr at least

and local array dimming

[severe moon]

probably

28" i think

[weary raft]

you saying probably means you didnt try it lmfao

[severe moon]

i didnt try anything

i was young and bestbuy clerk saw an opportunity to make a lot of comission

Alienware Aroura R7

[weary raft]

ah yes

the classic hot box

[severe moon]

ngl it still holds up (im on my own build now)

1080, i7 7700k

I just cleaned out all the dust, probably got cancer too, and gonna try to resell it.

[weary raft]

the case made of more plastic than metal, and competing with the h510 for airflow frfr

[severe moon]

Yeah there was no extra room inside that case

Although they made it very nice to open.

The psu is on a hinge, 240mm watercooling hidden at top.

[weary raft]

oh wait, r7 was the more reasonable one, i think it was the r9 that was way worse

[severe moon]

2 fans in front, 2 on top

Blower card GPU

ngl i would probably go maglev if i wanted to spend $100+ on case fans

[weary raft]

anyways, get the c12c

[severe moon]

yerp

oh thank god they include the FDB bearing

i dont know what i would do if they didnt include the bearing

[weary raft]

bearings sold separately frfr

[severe moon]

i think its funny how amazon descriptions are written

its like for a 5 year old who doesnt even know why he needs a fan

The fan is designed to remove air from a hot CPU

Excellent air skills

[deep aspen]

the reason the fan removes the air is because the heat is actually bad for your computer

[severe moon]

the fan spins in a direction that efficienctly moves the air away from the computer

New AI fan technology

[deep aspen]

Sponsored by logitech

[severe moon]

collaboration with LinusTechTips

[fluid lichen]

50 years of experience in moving air

[sacred pagoda]

I'd bet on a poor Chinese->English translation

[strange flume]

Bearing type really doesn't matter ultimately, as long as it reviews well

There are all types of bearings, FDB is just the one that is commonly a little quieter than the others

I've seen DBB match FDB for some of the quietest fans ever, type really doesn't matter

That all said and done, C12C's are very good fans

They review very competitively for price, performance and noise

[abstract sluice]

should i keep gpu and cpu fans in mind when calculating air pressure/flow?

[strange flume]

Airflow is immensely complicated

Fluid dynamics in general

You could get very vague answers trying to work the numbers out

Not without the proper real measurement probes and maybe fluid models, it's not really worth doing

Find a good few selection of fans and pick the best reviewed ones if that's your goal. Same with cases

[deep aspen]

air = good

[strange flume]

Yeah pretty much

More is better, more better, more air

[deep aspen]

and then sometimes you want silent

[strange flume]

Good fan make more better

Unga bunga it don't overcomplicate 💀

[deep aspen]

fan that doesnt sound like a crying baby = sanity

[strange flume]

Real

[deep aspen]

noctua my beloved

overpriced but i unironically love the color pattern

just not in a black case 😭

[strange flume]

I was about to say, but if you like them then fair enough

Lol

One sec

You might like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hBf9TnJsSI&pp=ygURZ2dmIGV2ZW50cyBub2N0dWE%3D

[knotty sparrow]

Chromax black

[deep aspen]

unironically fire

[strange flume]

I think he likes the colours lol

[deep aspen]

no eyesore rgb

[strange flume]

REAL

Though I'm more of a P12m/GT clone kinda guy

Thermalright B12's are A12x25's from a different brand after all lol

[deep aspen]

i use thermalright

[strange flume]

TR is great

[deep aspen]

yurp

[strange flume]

Big fan

💀

[deep aspen]

my applause

youve made me a fan

[strange flume]

@deep aspen

Just announced, odd timing but noctua colour kinda

Lol

[cerulean falcon]

hello, my cpu has started to over heat. PC is 3-4 years old. Running an AIO. I suspect the AIO is dead but would like some insights before I purchase a fan to replace it

[weary raft]

If you have thermal paste laying around, you can try repasting to see if that improves anything

[strange flume]

Evaporated paste or clogged aio or dead pump

You can check for the former with a repaste as above, the latter by feeling for vibration where the pump is located, the clogged part though you won't know without being able to see the fluid

Which is rare