old-cooling

[strong pelican]

I switched it to pwm and it worked fine but can someone plz explain what is this?

[knotty sparrow]

It's a very hard to read chart of fan speed. It looks like it stabilized after you enabled PWM.

[strong pelican]

Yeah its fine now

Is there a reason for this? Idk whats the difference between pwm and DC

[knotty sparrow]

PWM controls the fan speed with a controller in the fan that reads the percentage speed the motherboard is requesting and sets the fan RPM accordingly.
DC controls the fan directly by using the voltage. 12V = 100%. Not all fans and hubs like this.

[strong pelican]

Gotcha, thanks. So mostly using PWM is recommended?

[knotty sparrow]

If you have the 4 pin fan, yes. That 4th pin is the PWM signal.

[vocal fable]

@strange flume what do you have to say about EK’s AIOs

Cause I think I might make a move on my case swap parts this weekend

And I’d prefer to order everything at once which bugs me that the thermal right one went oos

[strange flume]

fine but worse value than thermalright

I've owned 2

LF3 arguably better too

[vocal fable]

Artic won’t fit in the H6 I think

[uncut lily]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[vocal fable]

I think the non rgb 360 they have is on sale but it’s still like double the price of that thermal right one

But I know it’s technically a more “premium” brand and also their mounting hardware box looks super nice and organized

I’ll have to look again when I’m back on PC in a bit

[dreamy locust]

Would it be ok to use a 120mm fan instead of the 80/92mm one on top? Or will the cooler lose its efficiency?

[marsh badge]

it's fine tbh

just find a way to zip tie it

[magic wave]

See if it fits lol

I don't see the problem with leaving it with the fan it came with though

[vocal fable]

@strange flume i need you to tell me how good this unreleased product is https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-liquid-cooling-system/p/N82E16835856275

[sacred wren]

Probably a bit worse than lf3

Better than lf2

That'd be my guess

[strange flume]

🗿

🤖

[strange flume]

Looks like yet another reskin of the LS720

potentially with the worse pump, potentially not

Deepcool milking that aio for all it's worth lmao

(I would too, this and the AK620 put them back on the map)

got new fans though which is interesting

FE not FC

Apparently noise tuned, could sway me to call it one of their best iterations if it's now a lot quieter

ok no it's the same pump as LS720

it's just a dark variant with new fans

oh they're the same fans as LS720 SE

Ok.

Meh

It's just another reskin, nothing new

[topaz blaze]

"Water cooling" doesn't use H_2O right

"Liquid cooling" is more accurate I think

[dreamy locust]

Doesn't fit hehe
The fan is loud, more like some sort of vibration at low speeds, higher speeds is just loud.

I'll get a better cooler for cheap

I guess an amd wraith cooler is not compatible on lga1151 mounting holes

[knotty sparrow]

It depends on the cooler but a lot of the time you get a water/glycol mix with other additives to prevent corrosion and growth

Some of them will use some proprietary variant of glycol

[stray tinsel]

i have 6 with children

[dreamy locust]

Need some other recommendations on air coolers for lga 1151, below 80mm but with great cooling capabilities. Cooler has to be silent and possibly below €40, used is fine

The cooler can be even 75mm tall, that'd be ok

[knotty sparrow]

You won't find anything I'd call "great" in that low of a profile

[dreamy locust]

Yeah sorry, with great I just meant the most you can get out of 70~75mm tall air cooler. It's to cool down a 8500 running at a maximum 65w. I'd like it to be fairly quiet even at higher speeds with below Δ50C

[knotty sparrow]

Something like this should work well https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097DTKLRC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

[dreamy locust]

You sure it's not gonna be loud when it needs to dissipate 70C?

[dreamy locust]

Separate question, is the arctic freezer 36 a good cooler? It's €25 and how is it compared to the 34 esports duo?

In terms of noise and temps

[magic wave]

Could also try to find a newer same size fan of decent quality and call it a day

These coolers may not be amazing but they do the trick for low power chips

[knotty sparrow]

Larger fans are quieter, so a low profile 92mm single tower flipped on the side like that is a better option than a 60mm fan

And yeah you can always swap the fan

[strange flume]

WTF

$95 360 LCD AIO

THERMALRIGHT

WTF

[vocal fable]

Send

[strange flume]

https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/cooling/cpu-coolers/107500-frozen-warframe-360-black-argb

[vocal fable]

im assuming thats not available in the states

[rotund sable]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-gif-24419090

[strange flume]

This has as much imbued meaning as my "in a minute" one-liners

[rotund sable]

https://tenor.com/view/geto-suguru-geto-geto-suguru-what-did-you-say-gif-13371037279272744971

[strange flume]

I'll face turn look weird at u in a minute

[rotund sable]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-insanity-walking-walking-back-virtual-insanity-walking-reversed-walking-reversed-gif-10372581163346915305

[vocal fable]

i might go with this over the edge from thermalright https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-DASHFLOW-High-end-Radiator-3x120mm/dp/B0BXWZQVNR?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1

[shrewd juniper]

Just get the thermalright that's not beuno

[vocal fable]

its oos

[shrewd juniper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/cpu-cooler/#m=113&W=10360&sort=price&page=1

[sacred wren]

Lf iii imo

$10 more and is basically the best aio on the market

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a

Also better longevity than most of the competition

[strange flume]

@knotty sparrow never asked, what's your max temp on that aio with the new chip

[knotty sparrow]

80C in p95, I've seen it touch 85. It does that whether I set to 40% or 100%.

Oh and that's with +200 -40 CO

[strange flume]

Try OCCT

Small extreme steady cycle 18

CPU test

P95 isn't as hard on AMD as OCCT is

[knotty sparrow]

Tjmax is 89 so it won't show us much

[strange flume]

I'm purely curious lol

[knotty sparrow]

But I can run that later and let you know

[strange flume]

yeah lmk

[knotty sparrow]

Good old IHS bottleneck

[strange flume]

I'm curious that maybe your LF2 has a problematic contact plate

[knotty sparrow]

Nah it was one of the factory refurbished models from after the recall

[strange flume]

I've been sitting on this for a while, it's been nagging at me

[knotty sparrow]

It was perfect with my 5800X

[strange flume]

hmmm

Anyway knowing is half the battle

if the OCCT numbers are barely any different then I'll stop worrying

[knotty sparrow]

If it makes you feel better I'll pull it off and look at the contact patch... Again. I did remount once already and the spread was good with the offset mount.

[strange flume]

nah don't take it off

just send occt results

I'm thinking about downsizing again

[strange flume]

this time, Arctic P12 maxes + this

then D41 and AP201

I can get rid of all this watercooling for $400 usd

and it'll probably perform better

I been looking at SAMA IM01 for a while but I just can't size it down to be cheap enough that I'd bother?

So genuinely considering with this

[strange flume]

NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE ASETEK ACQUISITION OF THERMALRIGHT HAS MADE THEM PULL ALL THEIR OLD PUMP PRODUCTS

WTFFFFFFFF

DON'T LEAVEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[strange flume]

What the hell is going on

Feels like almost all stock is being pulled everywhere

[knotty sparrow]

72 peak on the hottest core after 15 minutes, AVX-512 load

My cooler barely noticed

700 rpm

[strange flume]

ok your cooler is fine

wait why was p95 so whack

you loaded all the cores ye?

[knotty sparrow]

I think it was the spike in load

[strange flume]

steady small

cycle 18

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah CPU is 104% loaded

[strange flume]

all core

nani tf

yeah alr

nothing wrong with the cooler then

I submit

[knotty sparrow]

hwinfo things lol

[strange flume]

curious tho

P95 was never worse for me on AMD

what secrets do you hold

[knotty sparrow]

Oh wait hot core 5 on the 3D CCD hit 75

Oh no call the fire department

Other CCD is chilling at 52-57

[strange flume]

lmao

this is all 12 cores loaded right @knotty sparrow

you did say you'd disable a ccd

[knotty sparrow]

They're all loaded

Frequency is lower than I'd hope but that tracks for a torture test

There's no fluctutations that would indicate cores loading/unloading

[strange flume]

alr

ok enough interrogating from me

so your 5800X was just one of the most ridiculously hot ones in existence

never anything inherently wrong

[knotty sparrow]

If you had one you would know never to question the 5800X.
I would always say to everyone the 2 hottest CPUs on AM4 are the 5800X3D and the 5800X.

I had the power unlocked and PBO maxed out, undervolt with CO per core...

It was a good chip. 🪦

Served me well for 3 years.

[vocal fable]

is this it https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C7R2RDRL/ref=ewc_pr_img_1?smid=AECMV4Q5B05GL&th=1

if so its back in stock for me

[knotty sparrow]

The cores seem to boost a lot higher in p95, they were all around base clock in the OCCT test but in p95 they boost like crazy

Higher clocks, more volts, more heat

Oh you know, that was a really old p95 version. I think from 2021. I ran the updated version and it's getting similar results to the OCCT test, clocks and all.

Weird that a new version would be so different in behavior

[sleek fox]

WAIT WHAT THE HELL DID THEY ACTUALLY DO IT???

[sleek fox]

@strange flume How can a Phantom Spirit 120 SE beat a Frost Spirit 140 V3???

[strange flume]

They're about the same

or rather frost commander and PS120 are

oh no the frost spirit is basically the same as commander

they're all about identical

[sleek fox]

checked out some tests here and there and the PS120 beat the FS140 despite the FS140 having the larger fan and surface area

not by much, but measurably

[strange flume]

I think the commander is slightly better than the FS140 cos more heat pipe

[sleek fox]

which is weirding me out

[strange flume]

heat pipes

the difference is basically almost margin of error though

[sleek fox]

OH MY GOD WHY

Why do the FS140 only have FOUR???

[strange flume]

you won't make enough of a difference to justify buying a new one

wym

they're thick heat pipes

[strange flume]

don't just measure by the count

measure by the thickness

[sleek fox]

I thought more heatpipes = more better?

Wow this is just pain

[strange flume]

yes but not always

the better way to consider it is more heat pipe volume = more better

kinda like how using wider tubes in a liquid loop can ultimately be a little better if the flow rate is equivalent

so say 7 heat pipes on the PS120 was equal to X mm^3 in volume

and it resulted in Y amount of watts transferred

if the heat pipes on the FC140 are similar volume of 5 vs 7

i.e

X mm^3 overall

it could be argued the performance is similar

this is like

really cut down and arbitrary

but should kinda communicate the point

it's a bit like having two identical aios in performance, one has a thicker radiator, the other has a better pump

they're otherwise the same

good real world example of this is the EK Aio vs the Liquid Freezer II

[sleek fox]

I never knew that

I always thought heat pipes are like

Standard thickness

so more = better all the time

TMYK

[strange flume]

you can see they're really thick there

[sleek fox]

I mean yeah they look thicc

that is true

[strange flume]

and there's always a ratio of thickness to heat conductivity

it's not a scalar thing

[sleek fox]

I attributed that to like the image/paint material

[strange flume]

so like yeah, more is better

but like

this is another way of more

not to mention it has 140mm fin stacks

so in it's own way it's brute forcing

so in all likeliness the 4 or 5 aren't measurably equivalent

but the fin stacks make up for it

[sleek fox]

four 8mm heatpipes on the FS140
seven 6mm heatpipes on the PS120

[strange flume]

larger fin stacks and airflow = cooler overall = more effective transfer by the pipes

[sleek fox]

Yeah that makes sense

What is
Frankly
Fascinating

[strange flume]

but the cpu itself is about the same

[sleek fox]

Is how close the FS140 and the PS120 is

[strange flume]

you could completely calculate the efficiency from this

[sleek fox]

I guess an 8mm heatpipe almost equals two 6mm ones?

[strange flume]

you can work it out using cross sectional math

[sleek fox]

assuming they are made of the same material with the same mfg technique

since I'm sure materials and manufacturing methods also have an impact on heatpipe quality

like it has to

[strange flume]

201 mm^2 (FS140) vs 197mm^2 (PS120)

so yes

[sleek fox]

Wow then the PS120 being the better performer is surprising

[strange flume]

the FS140 arguably has more heat pipe

yes

[sleek fox]

could be more airflow due to higher fan speed?

[strange flume]

there's two other denotions to this we haven't talked about

[sleek fox]

at the cost of more noise

[strange flume]

nah the FS140 will easily have more airflow

[sleek fox]

I'm just guessing

[strange flume]

but coldplate efficiency

[sleek fox]

OH

[strange flume]

and heatpipe distribution

[sleek fox]

Ah

[strange flume]

both would play a role here

[sleek fox]

PS120 must be newer then

[strange flume]

the 7 are more diverse and spread

[sleek fox]

since those would improve over time

[strange flume]

and the PS120 would def have a better coldplate

that said

not by a whole lot

[sleek fox]

that could actually have an impact on something like a 7950X

[strange flume]

PS120 barely beats PA120

[sleek fox]

with the spread out CCDs

[strange flume]

PA120 having 6 and older

[sleek fox]

but on a single CCD one like a 7700X it might actually make it worse since less heatpipes actually connect the heat source

Suppose the test hardware also has an implied effect on test results

wow this goes way deeper than I thought

[strange flume]

nope

well

a little

mostly nope

two good reasons

#1 offset mounts exist

#2 the heatpipes are still spread evenly

it's more a case of efficiency

[sleek fox]

fair enoufh

ultimately it probably doesn't really matter

they both can tame something like a 7700X

so price and size constraints are likely more important than that degree of difference

and the PS120 is cheaper here

[strange flume]

yeah

at this point

[sleek fox]

By some 27%

[strange flume]

brands are getting really good with air coolers

so like

you're talking improvements in a couple degrees at most

which in a way is big, considering the D15

[sleek fox]

price is much more of a factor at the level both coolers are adequate for anything short of a 900K SKU or a 7950X

[strange flume]

but at the same time, if you were at 1 degree under throttle anyway...doesn't really do anything

[sleek fox]

WOW

[strange flume]

at that point it's peace of mind if you aren't throttling or slightly above throttle

[sleek fox]

the D15 black is almost twice the price of the FS140 and almost three times the price of the PS120

[strange flume]

mhm

[sleek fox]

even the tan-brown is only 2% less than the black

that's crazy

I mean I get it, performance and silence at the same time, but jeez

[strange flume]

lol

[sleek fox]

actual insanity

[strange flume]

D15 isn't really the silent king anymore

[sleek fox]

TBF if I had money to throw around
I might buy a D15 for the brag factor

[strange flume]

Phantom spirit evo beats D15 in everything

[sleek fox]

still rolls among the best, just not outright best anymore?

[strange flume]

it's not the best in anything anymore

It's like a 15 year old design

[sleek fox]

so the boomer choice

[strange flume]

it's bound to happen eventually

lol the boomer choice

[sleek fox]

I mean the fact that a 15 year old cooler design is still at all competitive speaks volumes about how good it was made all those years ago

[strange flume]

sure does

and before that thermalright was superior

roles have reversed back now

noctua so obsessed with perfectionism they've even given up trying to make white fans altogether

[sleek fox]

isn't Noctua about to come out with a new D15 spec cooler?

like a D15 V2

[strange flume]

believe it when I see it

[sleek fox]

I heard some buzz about it a while back

[strange flume]

they've been saying a lot of these things for almost half a decade now

[sleek fox]

fair enough

[strange flume]

I've been in the tech space for what

4 years now?

in that time I've seen only a handful of noctua things

NT-H2

a noise duct

direct die mount

that's about it

[sleek fox]

I've been following computer stuff to remember wanting a HD 7970 to build a PC with

that was my first GPU I wanted to get for myself

[strange flume]

they've been talking about so much of this stuff for ages now

[sleek fox]

I was 14 at the time

but yeah Noctua has been kinda stuck in development hell for a long time

[low pumice]

keeps being pushed back unfortunately, roadmap puts it at Q2 this year

It was like q2/q3 2022 at the start, prob pushed way back by pandemic

looked back, it was supposed to be q4 2021 at the start lol

We got the passive cooler, and it was really cool, but everything else got either canceled or pushed back further

I know they canceled the white fan project

and next gen 140mm and d15 got pushed back 2 and a half years

desk fan got canceled I think

[topaz blaze]

hello.

nvm

[magic wave]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-standing-ovation-clap-clapping-applause-gif-5089552

[rotund sable]

[sinful heart]

Fr

I have an id-cooling slim tower

$35 rn

[strange flume]

If you're curious

Probably the most ridiculous case I've seen yet

Mechanic master IF17

on another side note

I just witnessed a 14700K push a 240mm aio to the boiling point

💀

[shrewd juniper]

Just intel things

Fr tho how tf did the water reach boiling point

[strange flume]

I watched the random lcd aio as it said

"water temp"

"91 92 95 97 99"

in some youtube short

It's probably wrong but I enjoy the idea of it boiling

[shrewd juniper]

I'm sure they just renamed the cpu temp to that

[strange flume]

idk if you understand what I meant when I said random lcd aio

This wasn't like

hyte

EVGA

Asus

This was

...

what was it omg

💀

[shrewd juniper]

Ohhh

[strange flume]

literally looking everywhere for this vid

found it

@shrewd juniper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSAY66EDt0&ab_channel=锐志电脑

||(It's very much not gonna be the liquid but still funny)||

[shrewd juniper]

Oh no

[strange flume]

dominator ram btw

[shrewd juniper]

Oh no

[languid gale]

Im boutta dominate your ram

[harsh crow]

I think the bearing in my Arctic P14 are wearing out alright.

They now make this coil whine when running at full speed. Putting my PC at an angle so far has helped reduce the noise a bit.

[magic wave]

P14s are like oil bearings right

Which means I guess you can replenish the lubricant

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on the exact model

There's one that's double ball bearing

[harsh crow]

The noise is like this from low to high rpm it goes from no whine, little whine, tons of whine, not as much whine but still there

[low pumice]

P14 CO is dbb

I wonder if there's just air stuck in the bearing somehow and leading to spots where there's no oil

[strange flume]

That's completely normal

I have a buttload of them, they start to whine after 40% pwm, a lot between 50-60, then it calms back down over 60

My p14's whine a lot louder than my p12's

[low pumice]

a little weird that they'd just start doing it a while after installation though

[harsh crow]

ahh gotcha.

[strange flume]

Yeah mine whine a lot more, p14's are definitely louder

[harsh crow]

yeah never really had this at the start.

just recently it seems to of gotten worse.

[low pumice]

might just be pushing more power and fan curves bringing the fans to higher rpms which it didn't hit before

[harsh crow]

could be.

Note: they run between 70-100% 24/7.

[strange flume]

If it's unbearable warranty them or do tl-b14

[harsh crow]

tl-b14?

[strange flume]

Fan

[harsh crow]

I've been considering getting my fans replaced. the arctics so far in my experience has been hit or miss.

sometimes they seem really good, other times they disappoint.

[strange flume]

P12/p14 max is a good upgrade too

But more whine

But you wouldn't run them at high speed anw

[harsh crow]

I'd like to get some fans that have same or better performance while having much better cable management because these are atrocious.

[strange flume]

Better than p12?

You'd be looking at p28

That's it

Anything else with better management is just plain worse

Or takes an L in something else

[harsh crow]

I am currently using P12/P14 PWM ARGB and the 140mm fan my torrent comes with for exhaust which I've noticed pulls/pushes more air..

[strange flume]

Lucky for US P28's aren't atrocious in price

But everywhere else good luck

They're like 19usd there

B12 extreem is $11 and comes close

[harsh crow]

what about those LianLi fans that support a Infinity Mirror upgrade attachment?

[strange flume]

That's the ones I'm talking about

[harsh crow]

I am willing to pay up to $30 per fan.

[strange flume]

Lian Li P28

[harsh crow]

Oh okay.

[strange flume]

$19 per

I recommend nothing higher than that

You need at least 1 3 pack for the controller though

Otherwise you can only run I think 3 per header

[harsh crow]

to replicate my setup I will need 10 fans.

[strange flume]

Well for cable management there simply isn't better

And for a torrent case like yours I'd worry about lengths

Not tidiness

[harsh crow]

I have both for issues right now.

[strange flume]

Then there you go lol

You'll want extensions imo

[harsh crow]

It looks like Ggood's 2x4 GPU cable splitter.

giant octopus cable

[strange flume]

Anw goodluck

[harsh crow]

Aight. thank you for the recommendation.

do you know if there is a 140mm variant by any chance?

[strange flume]

If they don't have a 140mm then there isn't really a better option than P14 max/TL-B14

I really gotta go sorry

[harsh crow]

Will check those out. Again, thank you very much for your recommendations.

[strange flume]

@knotty sparrow @sacred wren

[knotty sparrow]

Yep. PA120 and PS120 performing about as well as good 240mm AIOs. That's about right.
All but the highest end liquid cooling is pretty much dead by now.

[sacred pagoda]

🫡

[strange flume]

It was matching or beating the new H150i link in other tests in that review

Idk how Corsair did it, but they somehow managed to make their aio's worse over 4 years

To the point where tower coolers and 240 aios beat it

For $500-$600

Insane product (insane)

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[sleek fox]

You plug the fan lighting connector into it, and plug it into an ARGB header

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[sleek fox]

You mean the PWM header?

That adapter is a lighting adapter

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[sleek fox]

PWM is 4 pin

Okay can you like snap a picture of the connectors on the fan, the adapter and your mobo?

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[sleek fox]

You have Phanteks fans right?

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[sleek fox]

...

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[sleek fox]

This adapter is Phanteks specific

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[sleek fox]

Meant to make their daisy chain connector be able to connect to any motherboard

Deepcool uses standard ARGB and PWM connectors

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[sleek fox]

But that'd indicate it's Phanteks

So then which is it???

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[sleek fox]

What do you want to connect to the mobo?

Fans?

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[sleek fox]

Alright asking cuz you posted a 3 pin fan connector

Which is responsible for speed, not lights (methinks)

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[sleek fox]

You can easily plug the 3 pin DC connector on a PWM header without any adapters

[sleek fox]

Okay so the 4 pin goes to 4 pin

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[sleek fox]

That's pretty basic

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[sleek fox]

The 4 pin connector is responsible for speed

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[sleek fox]

3 pin is the lighting

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[sleek fox]

I'll be sleeping in like 15 minutes

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[sleek fox]

Then you're SOL

4 pin RGB is the old standard
Very old in fact

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[sleek fox]

You CANNOT sync lighting through the 4 pin 12v RGB headers

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[sleek fox]

3 pin is 5v addressable RGB
4 pin is 12v static RGB

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[sleek fox]

I don't believe that'd work

Doesn't matter

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[sleek fox]

Those are ARGB repeaters

Those don't work with 12v RGB

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[sleek fox]

Yeah that would be able to let you connect ARGB fans to the old 12v header

But you will NOT get advanced control over it

[marsh badge]

That pic is very zoomed in

[sleek fox]

You'll get static red, green or blue

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[marsh badge]

ARGB part is just extra customization

4 pin rgb can indeed change colors

But no effects

It's any color you want, but no strobing or color cycle effects

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[sleek fox]

You can run the fans with no lighting by just using the PWM header

And not bothering with adapters and crap

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[sleek fox]

It's not gonna be pretty but it'll work

[marsh badge]

It's incorrect to refer 4 pin rgb as non adjustable

[sleek fox]

Working but boring > pretty and non-functional

[marsh badge]

Cuz it is actually adjustable

Just no fancy effects

[sleek fox]

I meant the advanced control

[marsh badge]

Fair enough

[sleek fox]

Like yeah mobo software can cycle the colors

But only basic stuff

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[marsh badge]

Fan power is 4 pin pwm

non argb rgb is also 4 pin

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[marsh badge]

3 pin rgb means it's argb

which means

you get the advanced rgb controls

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[marsh badge]

but since your board only has 4 pin rgb

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[marsh badge]

a hub won't have the ability to use advanced lighting

since it will have to be converted to rgb anyway

not addressable rgb

[sleek fox]

Yeah you're kinda SOL

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[sleek fox]

No advanced control no matter what you do

It means s*it out of luck if you're wondering about the abbreviation

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[marsh badge]

In your case, no

If the board has 3 pin argb header, then yes

Otherwise nope

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[marsh badge]

Then you have to rely on the hub's controller

Which in itself is always limited

[sleek fox]

It'll have to eventually connect to the mobo tho

[marsh badge]

Very limited

[sleek fox]

So you can actually sync with other stuff like the RAM

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[sleek fox]

Crap, this isn't good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b73xG1HlFhY

Not what I expected to drop today

[minor mural]

Is this fine?

The intake fans will be bottom

Three 120mms

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that's fine

As long as the tubes don't kink

[knotty sparrow]

Linus during WAN show yesterday: "Why do YouTubers keep killing companies?"
Steve less than 8 hours later:

[minor mural]

You're probably gonna hate me

[knotty sparrow]

I won't hate you, but you might hate you when it leaks over your power supply

[minor mural]

Yeah I thought about installing a shield plate so in case it leaks it'll just flow to outside of pc case

So is it perfectly or just "fine" for tubes to bend a little?

[knotty sparrow]

The ideal is for them to be as straight as you can get them, but a bit of bending won't affect it significantly

[minor mural]

Thanks for responding.

Putting the pc parts into jonsbo d41 is little tricky

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah small cases can definitely force some unique issues

[minor mural]

I cannot fathom the issues if I downsized to jonsbo d31

[shrewd juniper]

According to twitter : MKBHD with the humaine ai pin

[digital steeple]

Funny he says that after trying to kill the copper water block company. To the point he stole their prototype.

[digital steeple]

Are there spam posts that get deleted? I keep seeing the unread messages icon here and other channels but when i check, there’s nothing new.

[marsh badge]

ye

usual spam bots

[modest carbon]

Suggestions on cooling for a gaming laptop? Those like vacuums you can get for the sides are they any good? Cooling pad underneath suggestions? I have a bigger TT one now but older and not sure if the wife damaged it as it doesn't seem to sound or push a ton of air out ( like i think it should) This laptop is spiking to 100c on cpu doing basic stuff and getting up to and staying close to 100c gaming. Legion Pro I9 32 gb ddr5 and rtx 4090.

[shrewd juniper]

laptops are built to run that hot, if you want them loss hot thermal limit them but that means less perf

[modest carbon]

Thanks, used to PC do seeing those numbers was insane to me. Was looking for things that might cool it a little without tweaking it. Something the kid can use when I send it and him off to college here. Doing things like that is going to beyond him and good chance he would mess something up and damage the laptop

[sacred pagoda]

Could open it up and see if there's dust clogging it up

[modest carbon]

Do that when I install the extra nvme and new ram. but brand new laptop so shouldn't be cloged or anything I would think. just got less than a month ago

[sacred pagoda]

ah gotcha

[subtle flower]

My gasket for my artic freezer 2 DISSOLVED

This is one of the recalled units.

It literally turned to mush inside.

Oh my fins inside my pump and my liquid are absolutely screwed. They gave me a small bottle of top off liquid but the dissolved gasket is inside all of the liquid in chunks.

Is it safe to use distilled water for the cooling solution? I'm going to have to drain all of the water and rinse out everything...

Only thing I have on my is distilled water

[subtle flower]

@weary raft

Those middle two rows are supposed to be fins... They're completely covered with dissolved gasket

And my coolant has chunks in it

[weary raft]

damn

[subtle flower]

How do I go about cleaning this? Just rinse a few times with distilled water?

[weary raft]

just running water through it isnt really going to clean it off well

though you do want to get the big chunks off first at least, so you do want to do a rinse

[subtle flower]

Like this is actually insane. How TF do you use materials that dissolve IN A WATER COOLER

[weary raft]

tbf it could be a supplier issue

normally gaskets dont just dissolve

but maybe if they changed suppliers or the supplier suddenly changed formulas, it could have been an unexpected side effect

i cant say i've ever seen any gasket that was water soluble

[ripe void]

Are you within the time frame to return? @subtle flower

[subtle flower]

This cooler was purchased 2 years ago

[ripe void]

Well

[subtle flower]

Imma contact artic to see if they'll send a new pump head

[ripe void]

I’d do that

[subtle flower]

Since I'm trying to clean it and it ain't working

[weary raft]

im not too sure how you clean the pump head tbh
i dont think iso would be a good thing to use due to potential for damage

and it cant be ultrasonicly cleaned

the coldplate can be cleaned with iso though

[subtle flower]

Cold plate I have a replacement

Idk how to clean through it enough to work. I need my computer functional at least

If I have to pull out my mounting hardware are slap my dark Rock 4 on here I'mma be angry. So much extra effor

[subtle flower]

I think I got it pretty clean

🙏

[subtle flower]

25°C at idle. I was at low 40's before

335 watts under load and my hottest cores are 81°C

I'm so happy rn

Let's see if prime 95 load will melt the cooler

Holy crap, 362 watts under load with P95... It can go that high???

and we at 93° C with the worst case scenario, we have succeeded

[strange flume]

Flush it out several times with hot water, then make a distilled water w/ inhibitor mix

Jfc that plate was all black

That's gross af

I would opt to do that sometime soon as you probably have a lot of black muck in the fluid which could get caught in the new coldplate

I tend to use 95% distilled, 0.8% ph stabiliser, 4.2% propylene glycol

It's the same mix as one of alphacool's loop mixes and works really well

But I make it myself

[subtle flower]

Yeah it's because the gasket starting dissolving into the coolant. It's one of the recalled arctic models

[strange flume]

Yeah, and it'll have dissolved into the fluid itself

So lots of *rubber/plastic particles moving around, could lead to a second episode of issues if left alone imo

[strange flume]

What you want are these three things, a decent sized cup, and a funnel

Max up the mix first, then slowly add it

For what it's worth tho, I'm not a scientist at Arctic, so they might be well aware of the plate also dissolving? But to my knowledge I remember it being more like a slimey build-up, less a dissolving plate lol

Wait

Jog my memory a bit, the gasket is the rubber isn't it

Didn't the first gen not have a rubber insert?

I'm stupid

Ok so not metallic particles, rubber. Lmao

So much less concerned now, though given the state of your coldplate, I still think a fluid change would be in order

The alphacool mix is supposed to be very non-destructive, like the bare minimum mix you'd put into any water loop

So should be fine

[magic sparrow]

I thought it did and was just different color? But I mean, my memory is worse than XMP c*rsair so could be misremembering.

[strange flume]

No you're right it did. I went back and realised I was dumb lol

[knotty sparrow]

https://youtu.be/5ZnDESqJdyU?si=M5RkSMiSDsS9_QhJ

[ripe void]

Ty

[knotty sparrow]

Easy to reference later

It's a couple years old but nothing major has changed since then

[ripe void]

Yeah

[foggy burrow]

Hoping someone can help with a question. I recently got a 3d printer and it has an exhaust panel on the back for a fan but I cannot find any details on what size of a fan would go here. The mounting holes are 2.5" from screw hole to screw hole (left to right and up and down, not diagonal). What size fan would this be? From what I have seen, people use computer style fans for this application (the ones with an AC adapter). Any help would be appreciated

[knotty sparrow]

Sounds like an 80mm fan

[foggy burrow]

thank you

[knotty sparrow]

I could be wrong and it's a weird size like 65mm

[sacred pagoda]

80mm sounds a bit big

65 might be right

[autumn iris]

Never seen this happen before

Had a power outage earlier and my PC is plugged into a surge protector so when I went to turn it on for the first time it did this

Also what was weirder is if I like gently hit the area above the fan it worked fine again but I since restarted the PC and now it's working fine again

[autumn iris]

Also the gently hitting it would only work temporarily too and for some reason putting on the magnetic dust filter would also make it stop working properly but then again it's working fine now so who knows

[marsh badge]

Fan's probably had a short

[dreamy locust]

I need some dust filters for 3d printed pc case. Found this one on aliexpress, they say it has .8mm Ø holes, I don't have other filters near me to compare to, does it look good or will it restrict airflow much?

[digital steeple]

I don’t think you wanna use that for filtration. Maybe as part of the aesthetic or to cover filters as it actually should have descent airflow. But all the filters ive seen are mesh screen and much finer than even window screens.

Check this out on @Newegg:120mm Fan Dust Filter Mesh 4.72inch Magnetic Frame PVC PC Computer Case Fan Dust Mesh Cover Grills Black 5-Pack https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-01JK-00030?Item=9SIB7W5H2H1367&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-9SIB7W5H2H1367-_-04272024

[harsh crow]

Off-topic but I am curious what your 3D Printed case looks like. Mind sending a picture?

[dreamy locust]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep looking for some different filters too. They're quite cheap on aliexpress so I could buy some with different hole diameters or patterns and test them out myself

[dreamy locust]

It's actually a work in progress, I need to print a case that fits all my "server's" components without wasting much space. I have drawn a simple sketch to fit the ~itx mb, sff psu and 8 2.5" drives into a 280×280×85mm box

With this size I should be able to make the entire outer frame in one print. I should buy some more filament because it's going to require a lot

[harsh crow]

Ahh gotcha.

[dreamy locust]

I'll definitely share it as soon as I complete it. Hopefully, before the end of June, I have all the parts that I need, including dust filters and 16-32gb of working ram.

[harsh crow]

Neat.

[harsh crow]

Is this case for that CPU you were trying to turn into a new server?

[dreamy locust]

I'll be using an i5 8500 (or 8600k if necessary) and the repaired asrock h310cm motherboard.

[minor mural]

CORSAIR - iCUE H150i ELITE

Would you recommend this 360mm or Rog Ryujin 360mm?

[knotty sparrow]

Neither, but if I had to choose between those two only, the Ryujin is better for a couple reasons. It's both better at cooling and it doesn't use iCue software, which has had loads of issues and major bugs.

I've seen iCue use 100% of a thread just for a simple effect on 9 fans

[minor mural]

Yeah I don't wanna touch 100 feet within corsair fan wiring

Software looks smooth enough on my wife's pc

but the wiring, ugh.

I'm only asking this because

this bothers me

And I see my cpu reach to 70 under load whilst playing lego fortnite with max settings DX12

The aio is artic Liquid II 280mm if you're wondering

and the radiator is 38mm thick

So I wonder if the ryujin 360mm will clear the motherboard headers and seat there just fine

[minor mural]

Eh ima drop this whole thing and be content

Until the pump dies

And as long my cpu 5800x3d never reaches 80-90 C constantly

[knotty sparrow]

I personally prefer if the headers aren't visible

[strange flume]

Wanted to give the credit that the brute force of the thicc q60 rad would make it decent

Turns out it* has such a wide gamut of performance it can be both better and worse than a good 360mm

Which leads me to believe the fans that the Q60 fans are just not fit for purpose at all

At very low speeds that cooler seems to be performing worse than a regular 240mm

[sacred pagoda]

Yeah sounds like maybe the stock fans don't have high enough pressure?

They claim 105 cfm and 8.14 static pressure

Which I think is pretty high actually

[strange flume]

At max speed it seems to work well, if you like a loud aio.
At silent however it seems to be worse than a regular 240mm

This has everything to do with the fan working at a different range for pressure optimisation

So it's a decent aio that costs a fortune, but is inherently dependent on how you prefer your PC to sound

So while it probably can get effective performance better than most fans, the Q60 fans don't seem to be well made for low rpm operation, only high

Turn this on it's head, if you were using really good pressure fans like T30's or P12 max

It would probably perform a lot better across the whole rpm range rather than just at high speed

idk, it kinda lets me down that it's something like a $300 aio but won't perform like it deserves to be unless you crank it to an uncomfortable speed lol

Could be worse, could be ANY corsair aio rn

[sacred wren]

A $300 aio should keep my cpu cool and massage my feet

Considering it doesn't perform any better than a $60 360mm

[minor mural]

I caved

i got it

[strange flume]

By design all X3D chips will hit this unless you do direct die

Just a heads up

They are hot by design, the copper 3d vcache layer is easily conductive of heat and sits right on top of the cpu die, so it will just naturally be a lot hotter

[minor mural]

Gotcha

[strange flume]

It just sits on top absorbing all that heat, becomes like a miniature radiator on top of the cpu ccds lol

But you should be fine as it's still well within tolerable spec for accelerated wear (over 95C is confirmed by AMD to cause degradation for long periods but under is known to be safe)

They run that number lower on X3D due to the known nature of 3D vcache, so the 89C spec exists

So yeah, it'll get hot, but it'll self manage at 89 and hold itself from getting hotter

But don't really expect much from changing 1 aio to another. We're talking changes of a margin of difference almost

[fervent compass]

I got a pc for $50 bucks it works fine for most part but it stays on 89-99 Celsius which I’m told isn’t healthy with summer coming up and temperatures rising I’m scared it will burn up anyone know how I can effectively cool it

Any recommendations on cpu coolers oh and It has a old pc case so only one case fan fits

[strange flume]

What cpu is it and can you describe the cooling that's on top of it

[fervent compass]

it is a i7 880 3.07ghz 4/8?

[strange flume]

880??

[fervent compass]

Yep

[strange flume]

Oh 50 bucks

OMG

I thought that said 850 HOLY HELL

Ok, really old intel, it's probably using the stock cooler which is more than ok

Paste is probably old and wasted and it's sitting way above tcase (rated max temp)

So simple answer, paper towels, a screwdriver, and $6 of arctic MX-6

Wipe away the old paste, new paste on, bang and it's done

The fan could also be dead or unplugged, but it should be relatively easy to do

Fan swap is also $5

Yeah tCase is 72.7C so you really want to have a look as soon as possible

[fervent compass]

I believe the paste has been replaced since my friend did take out all components and experiment

[strange flume]

Well something is off if it's running that hot

Again, could also be the fan

It may also be it's starved of air

Just a couple examples tho to get you started

[fervent compass]

Yeah both fans work but i only got a single intake fan

The second fan I’m referring to is on cpu cooler

[strange flume]

Ye that's pretty standard fair

I'd be thinking paste tho

Like the cooler may even not be tightened down all the way

Need to get inside and look

They're very simple chips, early intel core, they don't need anything crazy

If it's in good need of a clean that could be in order too

Make sure you don't let the fans spin if you go to use a vacuum or compressed air

Can break the fan if it spins too fast freely

[fervent compass]

I see I will look into it later just asking will it the cpu break if it continues being on stable 89-99

[strange flume]

Quite possibly yes

Since tcase is 72.7

So you're overheating by definition

Not like the newer stuff these days that self regulate their heat, those will just keep going as if they're fine

[fervent compass]

I see

[fervent compass]

Not sure what Tcase stand for

[strange flume]

Basically max temp

[strange flume]

PSA for any LFII users with the recalled batch:

Changing the gasket and coldplate may not be a permanent fix, it may still build-up inside, i.e the recall service was a bandaid, not a true fix. See the following posts below for recommendations and suggestions on what to do.

Fix suggestion would be to flush the rad out with some hot (keep it short if hot) or cold water (please check your local water supply quality before cleaning), clean the jet plate of any gunk build-up as well under hot water, leave it all to dry for a while then opt to use a clear waterloop refill mix from a watercooling brand such as Thermaltake's T1000 Pure clear, XSPC PURE premix clear, Mayhem XT-1 Nuke V2 clear, or the solution linked below. Shouldn't need a whole lot, probably no more than about 300mL at most to fill the loop. I personally make my own mixes and use the following below. I use a lot but USD per litre is about no more than 3, which compared to buying a premix, may save you a lot of expense if you wanted to consider a cheaper way of doing it.

Please use care if you decide to premix. Gloves are highly recommended with PH stabiliser and safety glasses are suggested for chemical safety to avoid splashing in the eyes.

Clear mixes like this (Don't get colour) should be very friendly to your hardware and should come without any real further issues down the line, though, be aware that you should check the AIO every so often (let's say, every time you decide to repaste would probably make it a pretty convenient routine)

To answer ahead of time "Why not regular water?", water from the taps comes with additives and chemicals, and their own biological system from being taken through your local water service to your address, so it's not truly clean.

Distilled or osmosis water, is treated, known quote "pure" water. It have all known water treatment additives and chemicals and bacteria removed from it, and using it in your loop, along with the stabiliser and glycol, creates a solution that is highly resistant to growth and build-up, which especially with warm water involved, can happen very easily, even in a sealed cooler.

Using solutions that are very simple like this should be very safe for the LF2, and provided you follow the instructions, should hold off any further changes for quite a long time (though again, always worth checking every so often that it's not building up again via unscrewing the coldplate and checking for build-up there, then screwing it back on tight.)

Hopefully this helps anyone who still owns a recalled LF2. Alternative suggestion would be a $45-$55 aio from Thermalright. Very good, inexpensive aios at the time of this writing if you're not prepared to take one apart, although GN posted a good video about doing this, and arctic did provide material for performing this yourself as well:
https://youtu.be/jHdEqWpexH0?si=yexOkJAHzAwi99Ce

Suggestions on watercooling premixes are welcome. I'm looking for totally clear solutions that are recommended safe for a range of different metals, copper and aluminium being key components

Last but not least, please take this not as a huge alert that your AIO would die tomorrow. It should still continue to be fine, just be subject to regression in performance as time goes on, if it's still having build-up problems. This is not mandatory, only highly recommended.

I'm not sure if this is worth a pin, but this PSA should be good for most if not all aios currently on the market for changing and servicing.

[strange flume]

If you do pin, make it top one lol

[shrewd juniper]

Probs worth a pin imo

[strange flume]

Cheers lad

[trim river]

Welp, one of the fans on my 240mm DeepCool died after making woodchipper noises for 2 days

[strange flume]

Damn

Well FC120's aren't expensive, you could maybe even warranty it

Or get a 3 pack of C12C-S' for $12

And experience properly quiet fans

[trim river]

Yes, I was just planning to replace the fans

[strange flume]

C12C-S 3 pack probably the cheapest idea then

[trim river]

I have to replace both of them, because of dumb specialized cables they use

[strange flume]

They're better fans too

Yeah they have that daisy chain one iirc

P12 PST 5 pack also not a bad idea if you want a full fan change

Or just the one FC120

FC120 aren't bad, just noisy compared to others, bit of food for thought for ya

[trim river]

Is this one of the ones you're talking about, Felix?
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12C-S-Computer-Included-Quantities）/dp/B0BKKFBR9R/ref=asc_df_B0BKKFBR9R/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=693401438125&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1609683107112129746&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9010545&hvtargid=pla-1947366515678&mcid=3b2ab91bd3693d42b7bfad8b8c757699&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7qOrg9_yhQMVmIFaBR3VGAGQEAQYAiABEgJuJPD_BwE&th=1

[strange flume]

Ye that's them

[trim river]

Thanks

[sacred wren]

There's also c12b for a diff look

Like $4 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yDmNnQ/thermalright-tl-c12b-s-v3-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12b-s-v3-x3

[sinful heart]

I wonder what noctuas margins are with single fans costing over $30

[strange flume]

You can get a good idea by comparing an NF-A12x25 with a Thermalright TL-B12

Thermalright sells the same fan, from the same factory, to the same quality, with the same performance

$11 each

Compared to Noctua which iirc is about $25-$30

[sinful heart]

Wtf that basically looks the same

[strange flume]

Corsair is even worse, they sell fans by the dozen that are like this with their new ecosystem at some $50 a piece

[sinful heart]

[strange flume]

Cos it is

[sinful heart]

[strange flume]

They get identical thermal results

Thermalright literally sells noctua products, in black and white, and with rgb, for a fraction of the price

They beat noctua at their own game with tower cooling, it's not even a contest

Even their paste is better than Noctua's fabled nt-h2 now (shorter lifespan but still significant as an achievement)

Noctua lives and dies now by it's name, it has almost nothing left that thermalright can't already do

Thermalright even sells those A12x25's decked in rgb

TL-B12-S is a full rgb sku of noctuas

Those are to my knowledge the only fans that don't come that cheap in thermalright's product stack

It's really amusing seeing people say I pick thermalright cos it's cheap and terrible when it is in fact just Noctua mk.ii with a far better lineup than noctua would ever allow themselves to be

[sinful heart]

Its the same fan but its $11

I knew thermalright made some decent fans but i didnt know they had the sauce like that

[strange flume]

Why do you think I became such a huge simp for them

😂😂

[sinful heart]

I like companies like id.cooling, thermalright and whoever else slipped my mind

Those companies blew up out of nowhere and now there is a lot of competition

[strange flume]

Thermalright is doing the Lord's work selling $55 360mm aios with top spec noctuas

$42 dual towers that beat $300 corsair aios

They're based af

ID.cooling is really good too

The reason why I don't talk a lot about them however, is their fans

While great, loud

[sinful heart]

The one I have isnt that loud but it doesnt sound good

[strange flume]

The three titans in the space to me are thermalright, idcooling, arctic

[sinful heart]

I think its time to replace it with what you showed me fr

[strange flume]

The rest have either fallen off, or have some horrible catch 22

[sinful heart]

B12 is the sauce fr

[strange flume]

Ye

B12's are solid

C12C's are slightly worse

But they're $4 a piece

They're based off of C12 pros

E12's are also quite good

M12's are S12's but unifan style

They even have reverse fans

Pretty much every fan I listed after the B12 just now costs no more than $8 a piece

They're based af

Oops I mixed one of them up

Still pretty good tho

[sinful heart]

Man got the whole lineup memorized

Ill look into them but my eyes are set on that b12

[sinful heart]

Worse in what way

[strange flume]

Bit louder, fair bit less performance

More on the level of P12 PST

[strange flume]

Just about tbh lol

[sinful heart]

If I do buy any fans, it’ll only be one or two. so ill get the b12

My silent wing 3s are doing pretty well

[sinful heart]

Bro its under $10… thats so crazy

[strange flume]

Lol

[sinful heart]

Why is amazon saying its a frequently returned item? Maybe there aren’t a lot of orders so a few returns flag it

Also the p12 max is the same price but i dont know how much better the max is ocer the normal one

[strange flume]

Not sure, I know a mountain of people who own all these fans

P12 max is also good

If you want to go max then you can, those have a fair bit of noise to them over 2000 rpm tho

[sinful heart]

What do you know about the b12 extreme

[strange flume]

B12 but more rpm

faster, louder, better, has red corner thing

[sinful heart]

What are your thoughts on the b12 vs p12 max

[strange flume]

Both good

I don't really lean one way or the other

B12 I think has daisy chain P12 max doesn't

iirc

[trim river]

1 Day before the replacements arrived, the DeepCool fan is working again

[strange flume]

I learnt something today

@knotty sparrow @sacred wren p12 max white is fdb, p12 max black is dbb

Ask me why, I don't know

They are distinctively different for some reason

[shrewd juniper]

Not surprising, the rgb fans have diff motor or something too because they don't have the motor wine

[strange flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnubEetQFSk&ab_channel=HardwareBusters

So the ultimate result could just be sample variation for overall performance, but apart from that, FDB seems to only be a little bit better noise wise

It's not margin of error though, it's a marked difference

Article if people don't want to watch the vid:
https://hwbusters.com/cooling/arctic-p12-max-showdown-black-dbb-vs-white-fdb/

The other thing I've learned is these should only be daisy chained (or linked) to only 2 per header

3 would exceed standard header spec for these fans

[knotty sparrow]

That all tracks. DBB is known to be noisy, but very reliable.

[strange flume]

Yeah so it's an interesting trade off between a slightly better noise profile vs a much longer service life

Additionally, both fans will probably be affected by non-axial mounting like a loose radiator or maybe a gooseneck mount

So I can sort of make a lot sense out of why I get both ends of the stick with this fan now

[dreamy locust]

Me with 6 daisy chained arctic p12s

[topaz blaze]

are lian st120 still best fans

Actually

What are the best white non rgb fans

[marsh badge]

lian li's were never the best

you can look at thermalright

[knotty sparrow]

P12 is an exception, they're quite low power and you can usually do 8 or 9 (depending on the model) for a single 1A header

The ones I have are the 0.11A model so I could do 9 fans at max speed and still be within spec for a 1A header. Most headers have a safety margin just in case, but stick to the spec.

[dreamy locust]

P12 (an older revision, if there are any new ones) is rated for 0.08A so a good 12 fans before exceeding 1A

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah there was at least one model that went that low

They have so many varieties of it

[topaz blaze]

Are they loud

[knotty sparrow]

No, about average

[sinful heart]

I still dont understand why they used a different bearing. They experimenting or something?

[harsh crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMYsMGpyFY

[sinful heart]

[knotty sparrow]

FDB is cheaper to make than DBB and doesn't last as long. White fans will probably be replaced sooner than black fans, because every white plastic starts to discolor after a few years.
So they can use the cheaper, shorter life span in the fan that's expected to be replaced sooner.

[sinful heart]

Makes sense

[strange flume]

I run 9 off one header for the vanilla lol. The power difference is 0.09A vs 0.42A on the max

[dreamy locust]

Smol

Let's see how good it is when replacing the cooler master one on the stock-ish heatsink

[dreamy locust]

So the cooler master fan is able to keep a stable 70C with 60% speed (2600rpm) while being louder than the arctic p8 pwm at 100% speed (2900rpm) keeping it at 73°C

[strange flume]

Cooler master does have good fan designs

[dreamy locust]

Its a fair trade considering the cm fan can still be heard below 40%, while the arctic is completely silent up until 60-70% speed

[strange flume]

Their sickleflow has long been a solid choice

So not too surprised it can do a bit better albeit louder

[dreamy locust]

I do have one of those on my kind of itx build

[strange flume]

Ye, I still have a couple

[dreamy locust]

Arctic always nails performance, price and noise

[strange flume]

Oh yeah for sure

Sickleflows tho, I would give the credit for a lot of CM aios being decent

[dreamy locust]

In those tests I made I used a 8600k, which is more power hungry and less efficient at higher loads compared to the 8500

[dreamy locust]

The single sickleflow I use in my nr200p is just barely louder compared to one of the three TR tl c12c. Still performs about the same

I have no idea how ThermalRight is able to offer all those cooling devices for extremely low prices

c12c's are 11-13 euro for the 3 fan pack. That's about €4 per fan. And they perform about the same as other competititors like the p12 (ik they're mostly static pressure aimed) but still a good option

[dreamy locust]

The p8 likely performs a bit less because it just pushes all the air towards the motherboard whereas the cm one pushes it farther away (I can feel the flow about 50cm away from it

I was thinking about a 3d printed tunnel that redirects the airflow as far as possible from the intake to avoid hot air from being reused

Just to understand how the two differ

[strange flume]

@knotty sparrow @sacred wren

P12 max dbb is discontinued

All p12 max now is fdb

The ones I picked up are in fact fdb

Both black and white

[knotty sparrow]

Not entirely surprising since most reviews will focus on short term tests like noise and ignore the fact the DBB would last longer

Not to mention DBB is generally more expensive

[strange flume]

Interestingly if you pull the sticker off the white box and peel it back:

DBB

[knotty sparrow]

Stickers are cheaper than redoing the boxes

[strange flume]

Ofc but these are on the white

So there may have been a white dbb variant

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-26317296

[tranquil cove]

Can anyone recommend a budget/ high end CPU liquid cooler for an AMD Ryzen 7800x3d chip, just want to see what y'all suggest compared to what I have in mind

[strange flume]

Thermalright assassin spirit v2 plus

[tranquil cove]

Liquid...

[strange flume]

I know what was said

https://youtu.be/lgiBcD7bBaw?si=05oJr577LDvgd3F7

7800x3d is only 2% worse at full power on a stock cooler

Single tower is overkill

[knotty sparrow]

You could literally use a 120mm AIO, which we never recommend because they're worse than air coolers.

Easily cooled and maximum gaming performance, that's the 7800X3D in a nutshell

[tranquil cove]

Wasn't looking to buy. Just wanted to see other options for a friend with similar specs as mine

[strange flume]

Well for a 7800X3D that's the simple answer

Anything beyond a stock cooler is overkill so literally almost anything works if it has a fan on it

We recommend a $20 cooling solution

[sinful heart]

I thought fluid dynamic bearings last longer than dual ball bearings

Is it just their fdbs that are worse than their dbbs?

[low pumice]

Dbb should last longer in general, noctua's fdb-ish is the exception

[strange flume]

Someone who I recommended a Thermalright aio to just got theirs

[frigid lava]

it aint right no mo

[light island]

is it that cheap one that's somehow packs a screen on the pump with a budget lower than $100?

[strange flume]

Yes

It's like walking up to an old diner in the country and the sign is just dangling

[frigid lava]

heh

[knotty sparrow]

You mean they got a THERMALRIGHT

[frigid lava]

has a little wear but it still got it

😏

[sacred wren]

Thermalwrong

[rotund sable]

thermaldidnt

thermalnot

thermalisnt

[sinful heart]

Fr

[strange flume]

@shrewd juniper

[digital steeple]

Has best food, tho!

[sacred wren]

@strange flume
https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-TOUGHLIQUID-Rotational-Radiator-CL-W323-PL12GM/dp/B09FS3Y1GS

[vocal fable]

212$ usd

420mm ultra rgb is crazy lmao

[sacred wren]

Was 120 earlier

Evga clcx 360 has lcd display at $115 rn

[strange flume]

Lol

[untold stone]

What are good or best pc fans?

[sacred pagoda]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JmfnTW/thermalright-tl-c12c-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-x3-d6
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vq6p99/thermalright-tl-c12c-s-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-s-x3-d6
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a

[untold stone]

Thanks

[robust crane]

For my cooler I’m using the Arctic cooler 3 and they have an all in one plug should I plug that into sys fan or should I do the cpu plug

[knotty sparrow]

CPU, because if that one is empty the BIOS might throw a fit

[robust crane]

Alright thanks!

[minor mural]

can support the artic p12s that they are good fans. they have been in 2 different pc cases with me and they stil spin and spin. purchased on april 27, 2022