but offset does help
#old-cooling
strange flume
knotty sparrow
TBF the cores are that far offset, seen as the top 2 chips here. I know you know that already Felix but just so others can see.
strange flume
my only concern is it's so far south it's starting to take off from the top edge of the ihs
maybe they found that little extra does nothing maybe
you can get AM5 heatspreader plates as well to increase the chance of contact
wonder if they do anything
knotty sparrow
I doubt that millimeter of uncovered octopus leg makes any difference
knotty sparrow
Those mostly only help with thermal paste spillage
strange flume
needs delid tho
ik
well the first one yes
it's basically like a copper shim tho
it kinda would help
knotty sparrow
I'll probably run direct die once I finally upgrade to AM5. Maybe I'll get the 9800X3D at the end of this year if it finally beats my CPU by a wide enough margin in non cache sensitive stuff.
strange flume
I would do direct die but not X3D
X3D very rarely goes well with delid
also X3D just never throttles with a stupid cooler
like yours 
knotty sparrow
Eh and the new ones aren't hot either now that I think about it
knotty sparrow
Fine fine the 9950X3D
strange flume
it hasn't moved in months
kekw
I think
the ONLY times I've had issues with this chip
is alt tabbing into certain games
I get stuttering like the driver can't figure out which ccd to allocate
it could be something else
but it sorts itself out eventually
after like 5 or so seconds
knotty sparrow
My personal rule is "never buy the first models on a new platform" and that applies to cars and other things too. Just look at how 12th gen went. And the growing pains with AM5 weren't much better with exploding CPUs.
strange flume
I'm not disagreeing with that
Like ever
Look at how many 12900K's I lost when I first changed over
all that ram too lmao
vocal fable
@strange flume thoughts on this if I were to case swap?
let me know if that link works
strange flume
let me know if that link works
why 2 be quiet fan
do this
S12 will be worse than the fans on the edge tho
edge comes with OP fans
vocal fable
edge comes with OP fans
i heard that thermalright pumps aren't great
vocal fable
why 2 be quiet fan
h6 has room for 2 140s on the bottom
strange flume
i heard that thermalright pumps aren't great
Edge is op
vocal fable
strange flume
h6 has room for 2 140s on the bottom
tmw you realise c14c somehow has s12 fan design
confusing but anyway
vocal fable
edge is better than nucleus for you
the guy says that the pump maybe isnt good https://youtu.be/8ntIhvtzgUg?si=nURbzcddw0yaHHL7&t=1353
strange flume
he said "it's too good to be true"
lol
that's just skepticisim
his same tests show that edge aio slapping better than the nucleus
think of it this way, if it failed, you can buy a second one
with the same money you spent on the nucleus
bro it comes with a 5 year warranty
ain't no way you don't get your money's worth
lol
WHOA
@sacred wren
noooo it's not for sale yet in the states wtf
IT'S AVAILABLE HERE
IT UNDERCUTS ALL THE OTHERS
OMG
$164 USD here
for an LCD aio
it undercuts all of them
If I consider like, tax and import duties it's probably $150
480p screen jeez
magic wave
play doom on it
strange flume
Uh
LF3 mandates offset mount for AMD
you're right, they changed it
sleek fox
but yeah
strange flume
it used to be optional
that worries me tbh cos some boards are a tight fit for coolers to begin with
offset mounting didn't fit on a lot of am4
sleek fox
that worries me tbh cos some boards are a tight fit for coolers to begin with
there is a whole support page about what boards fit it
so Arctic is clearly aware
strange flume
they* should put a regular mount in then if they're aware
💀
my god this list
a lot of itx seem to have issues with the m.2
why didn't they just install it upside down that's really weird to me
maybe it's pump orientation
sleek fox
maybe it's pump orientation
I believe the brackets can only go on one way
or the screws might be speshul
idfk
strange flume
Pump tubes are on one side tho
And that's the clearance issue
Some boards are worse, they just completely won't fit
shrewd juniper
a lot of itx seem to have issues with the m.2
Ik there was itx issues with fitting the case panel on because the tubes went straight up but never heard of that
Ooof lf3 pricing is not spicy
strange flume
Ik there was itx issues with fitting the case panel on because the tubes went st...
Speaking from first hand experience with offset mounting, and the compatability list, the bottom end of the cooler with tightly packed itx boards with high stack sinks are often a problem
strange flume
it wasn't just itx either, there are a lot of high end boards in that list like Asus for example
Maximus formula
Hero
Apex???
No I don't think that last one was there
oh no it was
z690 apex
z690 extreme, z790 apex and extreme
z790 formula
B650E-I gaming (Like no asus itx iirc are compatible)
shrewd juniper
Oof
strange flume
but this is why I was confused above
cos you can just, you know flip the pump block upside down
surely??
sleek fox
cos you can just, you know flip the pump block upside down
180 ye
though I question whether the offset mounting would work that way
topaz blaze
can anyone reccomend a good budget aio liquid cooler with a little rgb, white
strange flume
can anyone reccomend a good budget aio liquid cooler with a little rgb, white
Thermalright frozen edge
topaz blaze
Thermalright frozen edge
ty felix :)
strange flume
Np
dusty olive
Is there a CPU cooler that doesn't require a backplate?
dusty olive
Laziness
I want to replace my stock cooler with something that doesn't require me to take my MB out
magic wave
Do you have a right side panel that opens up to the motherboard
dusty olive
Yes
magic sparrow
I want to replace my stock cooler with something that doesn't require me to take...
Almost all cases have an open spot behind the CPU to access the CPU backplate.
dusty olive
Gotcha gotcha. My last one didn't
||
mighty trail
Hey I need help with mounting my cooler to my mother board. I ordered a Corsair h100x and need it to mount to a Asus b550m and it didn't come with an adapter. Could someone help steer me in the right direction
strange flume
@sacred wren peerless assassin mini on the way
Short single tower with 140mm fan
Looks like a silver soul successor
sacred wren
Short single tower with 140mm fan
W
Peerless assassin evo mini tho
Or phantom spirit
sacred wren
Anyone know how this compares to other dual towers?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/7HbRsY/id-cooling-frozn-a620-black-7825-cfm-cpu-cooler-frozn-a620-black
formal flume
What's the best and affordable aio I can get for my 5600x?
These are the ones I came across
sacred wren
What's the best and affordable aio I can get for my 5600x?
Do you want it for aesthetics?
And are you in the US?
formal flume
UK
formal flume
Do you want it for aesthetics?
not really
sacred wren
Then why an aio? 5600x is among the coolest semi recent cpus
formal flume
my temps crazy thats why
sacred wren
What are your temps
formal flume
if I play r6s with high graphics im like hitting 85-90
sacred wren
What cooler you using atm
formal flume
vetroo v5 heatsink i think
sacred wren
That should be plenty, when was the last time you did your thermal paste?
formal flume
long time ago
sacred wren
I would redo your paste before trying a new cooler
formal flume
well you see if I try to repaste it, it will probably take me 30 minutes to try and put the cooler back on
sacred wren
Then if you still want a new cooler, as long as this fits in your case this can cool almost any cpu, with the exception of the recent i9s and i7s
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se
sacred wren
well you see if I try to repaste it, it will probably take me 30 minutes to try ...
And save you $40-100
formal flume
yeah true dat
sacred wren
Ik for a fact that cooler can handle a 5600x and then some, so I'd at least try it
Just make sure you use isopropyl alcohol, high % to get off the old paste
formal flume
but ok if I decided to buy a aio what would you say in terms of which one?
sacred wren
One sec
That heatsink I linked above, phantom spirit, is as good as a high end 240mm aio
It can handle a 5800x3d, which is the hottest cpu on am4
formal flume
3 fans is too much?
sacred wren
No, the 280mm are just well priced atm
280 is closer to 360mm aio in terms of perf than to 240
knotty sparrow
Anyone know how this compares to other dual towers?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com...
Looks like another version of the AK620/AG620, so it should be good
sacred wren
Ye I figured, but also diff brand so wasn't sure
Looked like they tried copying it with even a similar name
knotty sparrow
Yes it is a copy but it's hard to screw up a design like that unless they really screwed up the cold plate
sacred wren
Fair
simple anchor
Are there any AIOs that are a actually useful for a 7000 series?
Or even a quiet air cooler that cools well
harsh crow
IIRC I don't think so because of the IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) on the cpus themselves so you'd have to delid or lap the CPU for any kind of large temperature reduction.
simple anchor
So basically I can throw whatever cooler I want into it and not much will happen?
strange flume
More or less
The difference is in the coldplate mostly
Good contact = good performance
The size of the cooler is just the brute force side of it, more cooling capacity = more or less better, but the thick af am5 ihs means the improvements are very small unlike other cpu lineups
vocal fable
quasi zodiac
Anybody have a good idea on how to see if the pump has stopped without having it plugged in to my pc?
strange flume
Thats the led circuit no?
What cooler is this (I gotta go but asking this to save the next person time)
quasi zodiac
Sorry. Yes led circuit is showing on top of the pump. The cooler is a lian li galahad 360
It's fairly old.
strange flume
Ok I'm still here but keeping it brief
quasi zodiac
No worries I understand
strange flume
Galahad is getting a lot of waves rn for pump failures
Both first gen and second gen
I was talking about this to someone else yesterday
quasi zodiac
Well that says alot.
quasi zodiac
I took it off after getting he same Temps over and over and repasting. Only heard a fish tank sound.
It has fluid I pulled the tube and was met with fluids lol
strange flume
Oh I mean leading up to it
quasi zodiac
I'm surprised I got no laugh react for the tube comment.
strange flume
Take the cpu out of the socket
quasi zodiac
Sorry yes I'm listening
strange flume
LOL
Take the cpu out, try run the pump and see if it turns
Just for a like 3 seconds max
Add a couple drops of water if you're worried about wear
If you can visually see it turning
Then yeah odd, but I am expecting it fails
quasi zodiac
It's been replaced already at this point I'm tinkering to better understand.
But I will give that a shot
strange flume
Let me link a very useful post for what you want to know
Second gen pump, but the hypothesis he makes about it is excellent
strange flume
This is a very common issue btw, idk if you've already decided, but I'd stay away from Lian Li for the moment
Go check out thermalright frozen edge for a far better aio for some $60
Comes with noctua fans
quasi zodiac
Yeah I went with an air cooler. I've not done much OC lately and it's running as a stock configuration so air will do.
But I will keep that in mind! I appreciate you!
strange flume
quasi zodiac
Ok so I plugged in the AIO this morning and I can hear and feel the pump turning. It's not making awful noises but it's spinning. I guess my next question is what else would cause over heating?
quasi zodiac
I opened the tube from where it connecte to the pump and there's still fluid.
Bad mount I guess is possible. It always left evenly spread thermal paste when pulling it off.
quasi zodiac
Gotcha. I don't mind draining the system and looking. No pulsing. Just the sound of the pump.
marsh badge
it could be a blocked tube tbh
quasi zodiac
I'll drain it shortly and let you know. Any recommendations on a fluid to re fill it with after draining it?
marsh badge
can't know until you go deeper
i'd probably ask @strange flume for it
or someone else who knows more than i do
quasi zodiac
Gotcha. I appreciate the help. I'll be draining it shortly. If I find a clog I'll bring pics back with me.
quasi zodiac
This is what was in the cooler.
Willing to bet that was clogging the system up.
Safe to assume this is a fill port? Anyone know if it's accessible to be able to rinse this out and re fill it.
knotty sparrow
Yes that's a fill port
You can rinse it with distilled water and then fill it with a glycol based liquid
quasi zodiac
Ty I had to figure out how to get to it lol. I'm having a day sorry.
strange flume
Oh
My
Go
That's
Disgusting
Omfg
Fal is it u or @magic sparrow
Who has the GN email
That sort of thing would make front page lmao
They love content like this, and there's a boatload of reddit posts out there
strange flume
i'd probably ask <@101107951401455616> for it
So I can't say this with any certainty @quasi zodiac but for copper based loops I have a prefill mix I use that's off of alphacool's website
It's called "Apex Liquid Eco"
It's 95% osmosis water (pure)
And then 5% mix of inhibitors but I can't remember the ratio
42mL of one thing, 8mL of the other
But I am unsure if the galahad is completely copper based or not
If it's aluminium I'm not sure if it's compatible tbh
I normally just mix a litre of it together then store the rest
But you'll only need a couple hundred mL at most
So you just follow the ratio
But yeah I'd ask or google in some places if this is safe for aluminium cos I've honestly never checked
knotty sparrow
Who has the GN email
team@gamersnexus.net iirc
strange flume
Oh nvm it's compatible with all
So yeah, PH stabiliser is like a pool shop item or amazon/ebay, propylene glycol is a fluid used in food prep and medicine, and finally osmosis water is found on the supermarket shelf
They'll often call it pure, deionised or distilled water as well
Similar names, not necessarily the same treatment process
But similar result
knotty sparrow
It's a specific type of distilled water to be exact. Reverse osmosis is the process they use to distill it, cheaper ones will use evaporative distillation.
knotty sparrow
You can use the cheaper distilled to rinse at least
strange flume
If you live in a good country, just hot tap water imo
How most people with liquid loops do it
To flush a loop
It's not perfect no but, it's just about there
knotty sparrow
Technically safe but so many minerals and additives
strange flume
Crazy
knotty sparrow
It's processed to hell because the river is definitely NOT safe
strange flume
Ours is filtered but a lot of minerals and additives yeah
But when it's hot it's more sterile
So albeit not perfect, quick flush after the hot water breaks everything down and it's good
Only catch is you try not to keep the pump hot for too long
Never had a problem personally but I hear it creates problems if you're careless
quasi zodiac
One side is plugged for sure lol. And yeah the contents that came out were pretty horrible. The smell was terrible.
My tap water is good for rinsing this out but I'll have to find that stuff you mentioned. It was on the alphacool site you said?
strange flume
My tap water is good for rinsing this out but I'll have to find that stuff you m...
I wouldn't buy the formula direct unless you want some crazy overhead waiting
If you order the stuff yourself and shop a bit smart you can make it at home (be VERY careful with the ph stabiliser, use gloves at a minimum)
quasi zodiac
For sure. I'm in decided if I'll even use this again or just go new.
strange flume
For sure. I'm in decided if I'll even use this again or just go new.
If the pump works then I would
quasi zodiac
It's solid.
strange flume
Money per/L should be pretty cheap to homebrew
quasi zodiac
Just a couple years old
strange flume
The aio clogging is a result of their own mix
But one thing before you do
It was just like
Fecal, rubbish matter right?
Did you see any shiny metal?
quasi zodiac
No shiny material.
strange flume
Yeah just blocked then
quasi zodiac
Looked like a piece of plastic and a bunch of poop from their mix
strange flume
If there were metal flakes I'd have said get a new one
Ye
When you fill it back up, run it away from the pc for a bit
Just to make sure it's watertight
quasi zodiac
Will do. I appreciate you guys!
strange flume
Np
quasi zodiac
Maybe it's just time to actually water cool the pc...
strange flume
Well what you're doing is half yearly/yearly maintenance for one
Pretty much
Lol
quasi zodiac
Been dreaming up a decent setup but don't k ow if my old setup if worth doing it or not lol
strange flume
Ehhh if you ask me
If you like, dead silence
It's great
If you don't really care, meh
strange flume
Some are yeah
I can recc some cheap fans that are quiet and great performing
Daisy chainable
Thermalright C12C-S
quasi zodiac
White is preferred as the rig is white.
strange flume
Ye they have white
quasi zodiac
strange flume
If you can find the reverse fan versions too, C12R-S
If you have any you want to see from the back
quasi zodiac
Like they spin opposite direction reverse?
quasi zodiac
Didn't know they existed! But I can see why they do!
quasi zodiac
Yeah no joke!
strange flume
And they perform and sound better at that
strange flume
Ah
In CM's defence
They make better fans overall
But no candle to thermalright
quasi zodiac
Any chance you could link me?
strange flume
quasi zodiac
Thank you friend!
strange flume
Search them up here
You might need to dig for the reverse flow ones
They're not easy to find
quasi zodiac
I frequently visit pcpartspicker lol so I will do that
strange flume
magic sparrow
Fal is it u or <@207156621531545600>
Their contact us page has been unlisted from their site since the new site launch, Im almost wondering if they moved entirely to their store support email. I cannot for the life of me find any references to their team email by just navigating their social media and site (have to search site:gamersnexus.net contact in browser). Kinda feel like emailing them to see what's up with that.
https://gamersnexus.net/supportgn/1200-contact-us
quasi zodiac
Lmk what happens.
dusty olive
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm/p/13C-0005-001N1?Item=9SIAADYDXC6850 What do ya'll think of this?
strange flume
https://www.newegg.com/noctua-nf-p12-redux-1700-pwm/p/13C-0005-001N1?Item=9SIAAD...
U12S redux is really old
Like, really old
It was a good cooler for the time but competition has caught up to it in the last few years and the new baseline for coolers at about the $17 mark, if you pick smart, should give you the exact same results for much less spent
For example
At the 7:50 mark you can see this cooler does better in review, just slightly ahead of the U12S
https://youtu.be/ow0crBSKIXw?si=snsWnG7YedgNT8yk
Now, I'm not suggesting specifically this one, there are alternatives that have that redux look that are very competitive with it tho for a similar $18 price
Just as examples. Thermalright supply from the same factory as noctua for some of their fans, so it's the same type of silent performance, but sold to you for much cheaper, and with the redux look
Just to show what I mean, here is the A12 vs. B12. One is noctua, the other thermalright
They're both nidec gentle typhoon derivative designs for example, and in testing they perform identically, and ship with similar quality features
I normally tend to recommend this for a single tower as well:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
Hope this helps
strange flume
@sacred wren @knotty sparrow new ID-Cooling dropped:
https://youtu.be/5rPJ9_JSwZY?si=FkSST-Mff1KJj6Zd
vocal fable
<@654444344274845698> <@396513761550270464> new ID-Cooling dropped:
https://yout...
are their aio's any good
knotty sparrow
are their aio's any good
I'll be honest, there's very little reason to get an AIO these days. There's $35 air coolers that match a good 360mm in torture tests.
Air coolers also require less maintenance and have much fewer moving parts to fail.
sleek fox
why do these look so nice
I have one of those on my cooler
It's not noisy
Well it's in black but
Same fan otherwise
Tbf it only spins up to like 700rpm cuz the motherboard is dum with the CPU fan header
But at lower speeds it's not noisy
dusty olive
I normally tend to recommend this for a single tower as well:
https://pcpartpick...
I'll look into it
thorn sedge
Hi, i bought a cooling system and i want to know if i should put more thermal paste than what it already have when it come in the box?
NZXT Kraken RGB 360mm - RL-KR360-B1- AIO RGB CPU Liquid Cooler - LCD Display - 3 x F120RGB Core Fans Radiator Fans Black LGA 1700 / AM5 Compatible
strange flume
What it already has should be fine
thorn sedge
Can i send a picture?
strange flume
Sure, accept dm and I'll post here
This amount should be more than fine
It's quite a thick layer looking up close
Might not be the best paste (NZXT doesn't have the reputation for it) but should be more than fine
I'd only really be concerned for the cooler itself if it was say, a 13th or 14th gen i9
That it was cooling
But that's really it
@thorn sedge
thorn sedge
Intel Core i9-10900K - Core i9 10th Gen Comet Lake 10-Core 3.7 GHz LGA 1200 125W Intel UHD Graphics 630 Desktop Processor - BX8070110900K
strange flume
Yeah should be perfectly fine
sacred wren
Do you alr own the cpu?
thorn sedge
Ok thx
strange flume
Oh yeah good question
sacred wren
If not, it's normally really bad value. The $160 12600k beats it all around
thorn sedge
Yeah mu old cooling was not enough for the temperature
sacred wren
Ah alr
sacred wren
Could get a good air cooler for it if wanted, a good dual tower should be plenty
But either way yeah
thorn sedge
Been 1 month ago i get black screen because overheat
thorn sedge
I almost get finger burn on the other cooling i had
dusty olive
Soooo stupid question. I have a Cooler Master 212 Hyper edition fan but I lost the AMD screw covers. Anyone know if and where I can find them?
marsh badge
Soooo stupid question. I have a Cooler Master 212 Hyper edition fan but I lost t...
email cooler master
marsh badge
Also will it work with an AM5 socket?
sorry for slow reply but yes to both
uh, i meant yes to am5 socket question lol
dusty olive
Because I bought it back in around 2018
marsh badge
but no, you can only easily get a missing bracket by emailing em
they will either ship you one for free
or let you buy one
dusty olive
I'm only missing the AMD screw covers\
marsh badge
hm
dusty olive
I also lost the box and proof of purchase
dusty olive
Which I have
dusty olive
I've also considered this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q6H7YJ/thermalright-assassin-x-120-refined-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-se-d3
I haven't bought it yet
marsh badge
that one's fine
but 3 more bucks and you get much better one
afaik the fan on the evo is made in the same factory as noctua fans
but ridiculously cheap
in a good way ofc
dusty olive
Which one again?
marsh badge
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/khJp99/thermalright-assassin-spirit-120-evo-dar...
this
dusty olive
I bet
shrewd juniper
Will this cool an i5 8500 under load
That's horribly overpriced
Oh
Yeah should struggle but be okayish
magic wave
these things are fine lol
oem coolers have always done like 40-70 degrees in my experience
dusty olive
Unless it's AMD
magic wave
no issue for phenom ii x4 955
dusty olive
o
magic wave
idk if that's amd stock cooler or what but yep
I think it was a basic downdraft with a heatpipe
dreamy locust
Is there a difference between thermalright's TL-C12C rgb and non rgb?
(Other than the rgb itself)
Non rgb seems to have +50 rpm, margin of error. But I guess that doesn't mean a lot just Amazon descriptions being wrong
topaz blaze
need a good budget, white rgb 280mm aio pls 🔥
knotty sparrow
need a good budget, white rgb 280mm aio pls 🔥
I don't recommend an AIO unless you want it for the aesthetic since $35 air coolers can match 360mm ones now.
Here's the cheapest one that matches the request, though. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CKXB56MS
topaz blaze
I don't recommend an AIO unless you want it for the aesthetic since $35 air cool...
buying for aesthetics lmao. thanks
dreamy locust
Whats the difference in the "CO" version of the arctic freezer 36?
Usually it means continuous operation, but does it matter which one i get if they're both the same price?
I just add the freezer 36 black version in my amazon shopping cart and literally 5 minutes later it went from €25 to €50
Fantastic
knotty sparrow
Whats the difference in the "CO" version of the arctic freezer 36?
Pretty sure it's just a different fan
low pumice
Whats the difference in the "CO" version of the arctic freezer 36?
p12 co is dbb instead of fluid bearings
dreamy locust
Any significant differences in lifespan or noise/efficiency?
knotty sparrow
double ball bearing is louder but lasts longer
rocky wadi
How do y'all clean PC fans and CPU fan radiators from dust
Transferring PC cases and my old fans are dusty
magic wave
air compressor, air blower, or duster can
don't let the fans spin from the airflow, hold them so they don't spin
and some manual dusting with like a brush or rag or somethhing
rocky wadi
I used a brush yeah
In a smaller case like the D31
Is it better to use the top or the bottom as the intake
I don't have an AIO so I dunno which way would be better
magic wave
bottom, you can get direct airflow to the gpu
even better if it was an itx case, with the gpu almost right up against the bottom panel you don't even need to bother with separate intake fans down there
what's the left side panel like on this?
mine has a vent bottom, side, and top, gpu intake and side panel intake
rocky wadi
It's just glass on the left side panel
magic wave
rip
so a bit less airflow to the rest of the computer upstairs
assuming the gpu is big
rocky wadi
Two fan card
And damn cable management sucks
Maybe it's just the case, but the right side panel doesn't wanna click in on the bottom
magic wave
does it have the peg holes on the bottom?
might be able to get a panel extension
I have the nr200 with panel extensions on both panels, a little more roomy
rocky wadi
Don't think so
My PSU might be too large
Can't fit a fan at the front
Already too everything out of the old build
PCpartpicker said they were compatible slight annoyance
rocky wadi
I'm just bad at the cable managing maybe, the cables are very thick and don't wanna turn
magic wave
looks thin to me
I've never had a psu with those parallel cables, all of them have been the round sleeved kind
but anyway try doin a little cable management and the right side panel will go on
rocky wadi
Yeah
magic wave
see the channel that the power cable goes through?
rocky wadi
I might get an AIO, so I can get cooling for the CPU up too
magic wave
use that space provided
rocky wadi
Only have one fan left, assume it should go up top
Should probably get an AIO, but for now one fan up top should suffice
Don't exactly have the coolest CPU known to man
magic wave
what is it
rocky wadi
5800x3D
magic wave
I'd probably do exhaust top left or intake top right, preferably exhaust top left because the psu is exhausting up
magic wave
a 120mm fan in a psu intakes from the face side
exhausts up
so the only thing you'd be doing by rotating 180 is taking intake air away from the cpu cooler
rocky wadi
So leave it as it is
magic wave
sometimes you don't have a choice but if you do, choose this way
I kinda had to do the wrong way in the nr200 but oh well
rocky wadi
Somehow I'm missing a fan
This came in a pack of five and one is gone
I can order one by itself
I assume I should
magic wave
you don't really need that many fans
rocky wadi
Does this look sufficient?
magic wave
it's plenty
I have one intake and one exhaust lol
not counting gpu and psu fan
the computer I built before this one, I have one exhaust and two intake
rocky wadi
Pretty bad with making an interior pretty
I need one of those
PCIE adapters the one with my PSU are all the 2x 6+2s
So it's kinda cluttered
Gonna benchmark it with 3Dmark
If it's below some 75° and not a jet engine I'll be happy
GPU peaked at 74 and CPU leaked at 65
We'll call that a win
shrewd juniper
smol
magic sparrow
smol
marsh badge
smol
sleek fox
smol
dreamy locust
smol
kind latch
Does anyone know what these little rings are called that help reduce fan noise? These came pre-attached to my old Phanteks fans but I can't find anything about them on their website.
Okay, for some reason I can't share the photo but they're these rubber, or maybe silicone, o rings that go between the fan and case when you screw them on.
magic wave
Gasket
wraith plover
i’m looking for a cpu cooler under 80 with 3 fans anyone know one?
sacred wren
i’m looking for a cpu cooler under 80 with 3 fans anyone know one?
Assuming you mean aio?
harsh crow
Has there been any new RGB fans lately that are good?
Preferably with Infinity mirrors.
sleek fox
depends
Lian Li makes some but they are very, VERY expensive
they don't even work that well iirc
harsh crow
I saw.... Love the look but I am not willing to pay $40 a fan.
Especially when I need 10 fans.
sleek fox
yeah it is not exactly priced well
Sadly I don't know of any other infinity mirror fans
sorry
harsh crow
What about RGB fans in general? Any interesting ones lately?
Trying to get myself caught up with the PC scene again.
sleek fox
Still what HardwareCanucks had on display
harsh crow
?
sleek fox
harsh crow
Thank you.
Arctic recently came out with some 30mm deep fans right?
Or was it 40mm.
harsh crow
Gotcha.
Just saw the CoolerMaster prismatic fans and noticed they had a nice feature.
A simple connector clip to keep the damn things from disconnecting.
harsh crow
Are those good bad or meh?
strange flume
if you specifically want infinity fans, though I have no confirmation yet, those should be about the best
harsh crow
Infinity fans would be nice to complement my LT720's cooler design.
strange flume
the thing is, almost all infinity fans use 90mm fans or close to thereof
instead of 120mm
so you are 100% of the time sacrificing performance
physics nor 5mm extra depth will not improve this
harsh crow
Noted.
sleek fox
I stan the P12 ARGBs personally
but that's mainly due to being quiet and cheap while not having awful airflow
harsh crow
So long as I can keep my CPU from throttling I think I'd be fine with that since the 7950x3D can't really be OCed.
sleek fox
aesthetics aren't the main consideration in the segment I tend to shop in lel
strange flume
the M12's are based on E12, and to my knowledge the E12 is an excellent fan
but I have no confirmation
harsh crow
but that's mainly due to being quiet and cheap while not having awful airflow
Currently using those. They aren't bad till you gotta deal with 10 of them split into 3 chains going into another chain.
harsh crow
I am doing chains of 3 going into a fan hub.
Problem I am experiencing right now is my current mobo is having trouble getting the light to turn on for two of them.
Guessing it's a lack of power maybe?
harsh crow
the M12's are based on E12, and to my knowledge the E12 is an excellent fan
I noticed that the fans max out at 1,500 rpm. Is that low?
sleek fox
You'd want to lead the chains into a dedicated header on the mobo
or plug SATA power onto your hub
harsh crow
Hubs have sata.
It's chaining into the hub which is powered by SATA then connected to a header on the board.
harsh crow
Unable to do that with my old board.
Not enough ports and too far to reach.
Definitely considered that though.
sleek fox
yeah sorry then
harsh crow
All good.
sleek fox
I'd like to say "Just get a better board" but that might not be feasible
that's what I'd do anyway
strange flume
I noticed that the fans max out at 1,500 rpm. Is that low?
rpm means nothing next to the fan noise it makes from oscillation
harsh crow
Currently on my old 5700G system. Waiting to get a replacement from AMD then I will be on a much better board.
harsh crow
rpm means nothing next to the fan noise it makes from oscillation
Pardon my ignorance but what is oscillation?
So Oscillation is the back and forth movement of a object?
strange flume
sorry I was thinking of resonance
not oscillation
it's kind of similar, but it's interference with local objects like a radiator or a pc fan bracket
maybe the back cage of a fan
produces observed noise
potentially also fan motor noise
bearing noise
rpm means nothing
it's supposed to be a quiet fan though
harsh crow
Oh wait I think there's some confusion. When I said "Is that low" I was referring to like does that mean it has low static pressure or smth along those lines.
strange flume
again, reviews tell the story
harsh crow
That being said, you did teach me something new. For that I am thankful.
strange flume
rpm is not mutual to good performance
rpm is more like brute force
it's not exclusive, but it's not totally directly related
harsh crow
Other factors like how the fan blades are shaped come into play I am assuming?
strange flume
yep
the type of motor
the interference with the fan in it's path
like a radiator
all produce different results
fluid motion is so variable that most testing requires on the spot investigation to validate effective results
half the reason no fan testing is standardised yet
harsh crow
Ow... My spine is killing me all of a sudden.
harsh crow
half the reason no fan testing is standardised yet
Gotcha.
harsh crow
Do people still make those rgb fan frame attachments?
strange flume
?
harsh crow
Just had the odd idea of getting a good non RGB fan and sticking a RGB frame on it.
It's like a cover. You don't actually replace the fan frame. You just put another piece on top of it.
Like these things
strange flume
oh those
if you like cable pains
ig
I wish I could say I'm being too cynical but no it comes with experience
harsh crow
Yeah those do seem painful and I could not find any with infinity mirrors.
What about normal RGB fans?
Preferably something more vibrant than my P12's and easier to cable manage.
strange flume
the lowest you can go for better cabling is lian li p28 and that's not rgb (can be with attachments)
P28 is also by far the best one
the rest are expensive af
harsh crow
the lowest you can go for better cabling is lian li p28 and that's not rgb (can ...
what do you mean by attachments?
do you mean these?
strange flume
yep
harsh crow
Not gonna lie, I am kinda digging the look.
do these support the usual Lian-Li connectors to keep the cable clutter minimized?
strange flume
yep
most importantly they're as good as T30's and don't cost anywhere near as much as a unifan
harsh crow
do you mean these?
found these on Amazon. Do you know when they say 3 pieces if they mean 3 of those or two sets of three to cover both sides of the fan?
languid orbit
Any good recommendations for rgb+fan hubs. I have 11 fans total. 9 of which are 3 pin argb. The one I'm currently using keeps turning itself on and off even after computer is off.
strange flume
found these on Amazon. Do you know when they say 3 pieces if they mean 3 of tho...
no idea
strange flume
Any good recommendations for rgb+fan hubs. I have 11 fans total. 9 of which are ...
arctic has a decent 10 fan one iirc
lean patrol
Hey I have an 3070ti which I brought last year to replace my 2060 super. I was wondering if I should get an third fan for this if it helps lower the sounds and temp of my PC?
And which one is recommended at an budget price
shrewd juniper
And which one is recommended at an budget price
Thermalright C12c comes in a 3 pack for like 15 for 3 of them and are really nice
vocal fable
@strange flume that case swap you and me made me last month, I changed the psu on it from the montech one do you think thats fine? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hF4MxH
on sale rn for like 10 bucks cheaper
strange flume
yeah I'd do that
the montech was 100 last month
Why we always say make the list almost the same day 💀
also this is an option
From what I've been learning this is now just the A-GF with the 3.0 connector
which makes sense
would be arguably better
vocal fable
From what I've been learning this is now just the A-GF with the 3.0 connector
the what
vocal fable
very good psu
and you'd recommend it over the be quiet one?
strange flume
and you'd recommend it over the be quiet one?
I mean was it, pure power 12m speculative A or something?
A-GL would be in the same boat
vocal fable
I mean was it, pure power 12m speculative A or something?
i dont know what that means 
strange flume
A-GL
A-GF
plugs and dimensions are just about the same except instead of a pcie/eps connector there's a 12vhpwr
A-GF is arguably better than 12M
so A-GL is just an unconfirmed version of A-GF, like the 12M is
in other words
the same quality/tier
but A-GL is 10 cheaper
I could go with either unit but both seem equally promising
vocal fable
ill prob just go with whats cheaper
strange flume
From what I've been learning this is now just the A-GF with the 3.0 connector
that might have been misinfo my bad
Either unit is still fine though
nvm it's not misinfo
it's better than RMe
Almost as good as GF3
Actually 12 M is in here too if you want to look
vocal fable
ew fan noise
strange flume
hmmm
Yeah if you want a quieter fan go for it
in other news
starting to get to a better point that I can interpret this website
Self-improvement +1
sacred wren
I dont feel like watching it
Ngl I don't think I've clicked on a single YouTube video on discord
strange flume
It stops you pulling the cpu out from under their air cooler
No more am4 panic
They fixed the problem no one thought to fix
sacred wren
So thermalright solved the issue amd couldn't for years and years
sacred wren
Thermalright is what companies should be without capitalism
Let's make our products as good and as cheap as we can while maintaining quality, for the sake of having good and well priced products
digital steeple
ew fan noise
I have the A850GL, i have not noticed any noise from it. At least not louder than my case/cpu fans.
vocal fable
I have the A850GL, i have not noticed any noise from it. At least not louder tha...
Only reason I’m even considering swapping is cause my 750e from Corsair has horrible noise
I don’t even think it’s the fan it sounds more like something is buzzing or smth
I have never noticed any smell or anything like that and it runs stuff well so I’m assuming it’s fine
But 850 will future proof my 6950 if I get a more demanding cpu in the future
digital steeple
I don’t even think it’s the fan it sounds more like something is buzzing or smth
Check your speakers? Could be a ground loop. I actually just dealt with that this week.
vocal fable
Check your speakers? Could be a ground loop. I actually just dealt with that thi...
Don’t have speakers
I recorded it ages ago, made sure all my fans were stopped
I’d have to go look for it again
digital steeple
Possibly the transformer then. They tend to do that. How old is it? Also how mechanically inclined are you? Might be worth opening up and putting some kind of rubber and/or cork material where it mounts, if possible.
Of course, if you really want it, its a good reason to just upgrade too, lol
vocal fable
Possibly the transformer then. They tend to do that. How old is it? Also how me...
almost a year old and not very
vocal fable
Of course, if you really want it, its a good reason to just upgrade too, lol
and yeah ive seen my 6950 draw 330-350w before so I wouldnt mind the extra headroom
dreamy locust
I 3d printed a fan "duct" for the corsair 465x to hopefully get better temps and less dust at the lower part of the case.
It worked amazingly, tested it, and got 3C less than usual on the GPU. The lower case fan is slightly noisier due to it being very close to the 3d printed part, but it's nothing significant, and it is not audible anyways since the graphics card is louder at those temps.
:))))
harsh crow
I 3d printed a fan "duct" for the corsair 465x to hopefully get better temps and...
Great job!
dreamy locust
Thank youu
sacred pagoda
I've thought about doing some ducting in my build, 3C is a great improvement for a small change
dreamy locust
3C is quite a lot considering the temps were already around 62-63C
Printing took 6h + 100g of filament
The 3d model is not perfect since I miscalculated the distance top to bottom and I had a 15mm gap, added some more 3d printed parts to get it at the right height
strange flume
Finally
Finally armed with proper information
I honestly think this deserves pinning as it thoroughly and finally proves that any sane cooler on even the highest end offerings from Zen 4 & Zen 4 X3D are capable of being cooled on a good air cooler
You don't hear about it much in here anymore, but it certainly comes up often elsewhere, and this should prove a useful resource
digital steeple
Looks like I may need to swap my deepcool AK400 for a phantom spirit. ~same ambient at 100% usage via CPUz stress test puts me at 90*. (Ryzen 7600X)
strange flume
potentially yeah
coolers have gotten really good at coldplate design of late
it's becoming less of a matter of heat capacity with these things, more about how perfect can they make cpu contact instead
ofc barring the point that AM5 in general just has a horrible IHS that holds the heat in instead of conducting it to the cooler properly
though that said, 90C on a single tower, you're still not throttling yet
a simple fan swap would do almost as much favours
digital steeple
Lol, I was just going to ask that. I just looked at the charts. Haven’t watched the video yet. I’m assuming that was with the heat shield and not delided
strange flume
Like a thermalright TL-B12 would turn that AK400 into a pseudo noctua
no more loud deepcool FC
but you could go either way tbh, even then the dual tower would be usable in future with newer am5 chips
or thermalright c12c
$7 a fan lol
digital steeple
I was actually thinking of just replacing the single fan it comes with, with 2 noctua’s.
Just have push/pull on the single tower
strange flume
it's not even a mild resemblence it's a straight clone lol
they're both gentle typhoon clones and run identically, similar quality to them too
knotty sparrow
The AMD processors are designed to go up to their max temp and keep boosting. The only way to know if it's throttling is to benchmark it, and usually it's not throttling.
As an example I now have a 7900X3D and it hits 80C in prime95 on my cooler at 40% fan speed, but increasing it to 100% fan speed... it's still at 80C.
strange flume
As an example I now have a 7900X3D and it hits 80C in prime95 on my cooler at 40...
perfect example of how AM5 design is a literal thermal insulator
you can go up to a full water loop from a basic cooler in some circumstances and experience almost no temperature improvement
digital steeple
I did see all this. Still, if it’s possible to drop the temps, makes sense to do it. 🙂
cobalt imp
FanControl is just...awesome...just spent an hour and a half tweaking lol
strange flume
I love having mixed control
Something that bios should be doing by now honestly
Give us gpu temp control
vocal fable
FanControl is just...awesome...just spent an hour and a half tweaking lol
i never realized there was an option for gpu stuff in there
cobalt imp
i never realized there was an option for gpu stuff in there
Yeah pretty awesome and super granular control...i love it
knotty sparrow
I did see all this. Still, if it’s possible to drop the temps, makes sense to do...
That's the thing... on AMD 7000 there isn't a way to lower temps without voiding your warranty
knotty sparrow
i never realized there was an option for gpu stuff in there
You can add sensors from hwinfo and then you can set a curve based on VRAM temps or hotspot etc, or a mixed curve that does whatever the highest temp is
magic sparrow
That's the thing... on AMD 7000 there isn't a way to lower temps without voiding...
Setting 10w PL voids warranty??? ||/s||
knotty sparrow
Technically yes
If you read the fine print you void your warranty just by putting your CPU into a motherboard that does automatic tweaks
magic sparrow
Afaik warranty is void by anything over spec, not under
But I didnt read it so I cant really say that
knotty sparrow
This warranty shall not apply to any AMD Processors where AMD determines that the defect or non-conformance was caused by improper use or
operation outside of the data sheet specifications for the AMD Processor, abuse, negligence, improper installation or testing, accident, loss or
damage in transit, overclocking the Product (even when enabled by AMD), errors in the design of the product into which the Product was
incorporated, external factors beyond the control of AMD or unauthorized repair or alteration by a person other than AMD
Anything outside the product data sheet is a potential warranty breaker
They can also void your warranty for using any cooler besides the included box cooler
(The odds that they enforce any of this is low but not zero)
strange flume
Provided said cpu comes with the cooler ye
knotty sparrow
Source for reference https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/processor-warranty-update.pdf
magic sparrow
Anything outside the product data sheet is a potential warranty breaker
So I guess I need to read that and find the PL range
I assume there is one cuz Eco mode, STAPM (kinda), etc
knotty sparrow
Even the AMD provided means of over/underclocking are outside the warranty
Again, not usually enforced
harsh crow
I did see all this. Still, if it’s possible to drop the temps, makes sense to do...
It's called delidding and liquid metal.
strange flume
It's called delidding and liquid metal.
Ironically costs more than a dual tower
More reviews
harsh crow
I hope to one day make enough money to be able to attempt delidding and LM on a CPU cause of the risk.
Seems like it's be fun to try.
strange flume
Probably won't happen for many years if you stick to AM5
Almost no reason to delid
strange flume
Most AM5 chips are about maxed out on basic cooling so yeah
Unless you intend to bench until death with them
harsh crow
Ahh I was hoping it'd be like my 5700G where the lower the temps the higher it keeps boosting.
strange flume
Kinda sorta not really
You can drop 5C and gain maybe 20MHz
But the gain in perf is almost 0
Maybe a couple hundred points in CB23
harsh crow
My 5700G hits 4.8ghz single and 4.65 smth all core.
strange flume
It's not* truthfully maxed, but far enough that it's not logical to do outside of benching aggressively
harsh crow
Gotcha.
harsh crow
Depending on how this replacement goes it will decide if I stick with AMD for 8000/9000 series.
strange flume
Hopefully it works out
strange flume
Honestly I'm considering just staying am5 for the inevitable future rn
I have had no problems with the cpu since I fixed my issue
harsh crow
Hopefully I can see AMD from the same seat as you soon.
strange flume
System has been consistent and reliable
strange flume
Hopefully I can see AMD from the same seat as you soon.
It's honestly like night and day to me compared to lga1700 and AM4
LGA1200
All of them I didn't have it this comfortable
When it works, it works
harsh crow
I must say I miss the cpu. I miss that silky smooth 100+ fps lows.
strange flume
I think the last time I felt this comfortable was when I had the 12900KF in the loop
But out of 3 cpus, that was the only one
harsh crow
Surprised. Thought that was the problem child?
harsh crow
Jesus.
strange flume
Or rather the psu did
harsh crow
Huh?
strange flume
I'd load into windows, things would barely load, I'd do a stress test, cpu dies within minutes
Yes
harsh crow
Well that's good.
strange flume
Board does 7800
harsh crow
I would've guessed the board to die first.
strange flume
After going through that hell
It was a good ux sample after all of it
I bought a second one in my replacement attempts
And they both exerted the same behaviour
So I tried with the second i9 later, low and behold
harsh crow
Sounds like quite the journey.
strange flume
some 5 or 6 months?
I hated it
I know what it's like to have an annoying time with RMA
like when Razer took my phone and promised me a 5 day turnover or my phone back, 8 weeks later they finally tell me (after 30 thousand emails) they broke my phone without asking me and telling me to pay the repair fee or get the phone back broken
I've had an enormous number of RMA experiences, at this point it's rare I see something new or unusual
digital steeple
I’m basing what I said on the 1 video that I’ve had a chance to watch that Felix posted and the accompanying charts that came from that video. They didn’t say they delidded. But then again, they didn’t say they didn’t, either, lol. And according to the 7600X chart they start at 77° (with the phantom spirit) and drop a bit over 4° as the fans top out. Whereas I get up to 90° then flattens out when I run a stress test. If it’s not possible, then fine. I just have a couple of extra fans I can use elsewhere. But if I can drop the temps a bit just by changing a couple of fans or possibly changing a $30-40 cooler, then I think it’s worth the shot. That being said, probably over the weekend, I’ll watch a few more of their videos to see what else I can glean. Especially if I see whether they delid or not.
harsh crow
I’m basing what I said on the 1 video that I’ve had a chance to watch that Felix...
I use a LT720 in push/pull with Arctic P12 fans on my 7950x3D. Temps cap out at around mid 70's to low 80's. Note my AIO is front mounted on a Fractal Torrent. Paste wise I am using some TF7 I have sitting around applied using a X pattern with 4 peas in z plus pattern.
My fans I leave at 100% since it's not that audible and pump speed usually around 50-100%
Oh one more thing.
The ambient temperature is 22c since I have an AC running.
digital steeple
Yeah, you’re running even cooler than their best 240 aio so that leaves me hope. That and I think I may have paste issues, too, lol. I used thermal grizzly kryonaut.
dreamy locust
Any recommendations for a cheap <80mm tall decent cooler?
I need it to be quiet and possibly below 30 bucks, used is fine
I was looking at the noctua l9x65 but it goes for more than 50 used or new
strange flume
Thermalright axp90/axp120 are pretty good
Bigger number is better in this situation
sleek fox
Any recommendations for a cheap <80mm tall decent cooler?
I need it to be quiet...
ID-Cooling IS-55 is not too bad, has good perf but noise can get louder
Otherwise Thermalright yea
my dad runs an IS-55 in his rig, and it's overly loud at lower RPMs
Subjectively I think the noise is not annoying even when it gets loud (but that is my subjective opinion)
dreamy locust
I need it for my server, which runs approximately 10hrs a day, and I wan it to be dead quiet at lower rpm.
I don't remember the name of a cooler popular in itx builds, Optimum used it many times but I keep forgetting the name. It's the one with the fan between the heat pipes and the cooler fins
sleek fox
@dreamy locust I meant to say it's not overly loud at lower RPMs
But my phone failed mr
dreamy locust
oh okk
dreamy locust
Is the arctic freezer 36 a good cooler? For €25 how is it compared to the 34 esports duo?
uncut lily
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knotty sparrow
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There's an adapter for it in the box for 3 pin argb.
That hub is only for the fan power.
uncut lily
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sleek fox
Oh that's the proprietary Phanteks thing
sleek fox
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You can buy it in stores
PH-CB_RGB4P is the product number
it's like 2 or 3 bucks
vocal fable
@marsh badge
whats another good 360 aio
this ones oos
for the case swap ive been talking about doing for months but have yet to make a move on
i will ask lord felix
@strange flume
strange flume
whats another good 360 aio
white version?
waiting for that one to come back in stock?
can't beat the edge
only get close in noise normalised for value with LFIII
uncut lily
You can buy it in stores
PH-CB_RGB4P is the product number
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sleek fox
Hungary
But you might be able to contact Phanteks directly and get it from them
should be cheaper that way
uncut lily
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sleek fox
I mean you'll have to probably pay for it
strong pelican
