old-cooling

[strange flume]

You've overkilled it

Slightly worse than me on a full water loop

So your answer is again, yes

You've overkilled it

AM5's IHS being so thick and ryzen efficiency means that basic cooling is ridiculously powerful on these things

And by stacking the deck on cooling you gain basically nothing

A dual tower is good enough for most of all AM5 ryzens

If not all, if you leave pbo off

[placid oriole]

Oh wow ok That's very good to know!

I got a little irresponsible and broke the budget a tiny bit on this build so I'm a little paranoid about anything going wrong 😭 So far smooth sailing though, it's running beautifully and I'm super happy with it.

I was especially worried about the temps because I was like "I know I did a good job with the thermal paste this time" (I had to redo it on my old build bc I did it wrong lmao)

[strange flume]

It's basically, as long as it doesn't throttle at the tjmax

It's fine

You have a boatload of headroom there

[placid oriole]

🫡

[sacred wren]

When my pc turns on my aio makes a gurgling sort of noise. It didn't used to make that noise, it started recently. Should I be worried?

[knotty sparrow]

That could be an indication of a leak if fluid level is dropping, but it's probably nothing

[magic sparrow]

Permeation be more likely than leak tho

[knotty sparrow]

Which just happens with age

But if it's only at startup I'm betting on it being nothing of note

[vestal halo]

Do yall know if the dell 2023 g16 with the 4060 has any thermal issues?

[marsh badge]

what's the price on it?

it's a fine laptop, but only if it's on a good deal

[vestal halo]

Like 1200

[marsh badge]

eh nope

that's a bad price

i can recommend you some laptops

[strange flume]

1200 is pretty meh yeah

[marsh badge]

you're looking to game, right?

[strange flume]

Try 1000 or less for a 4060 laptop and it's good

[marsh badge]

^

sometimes the 4070 tuf is on sale at 1k

[strange flume]

Most laptops now are pretty good, just a case of filtering through the pros and cons

[marsh badge]

the only red flag is msi

gigabyte is ok if cheap

but lenovo loq tends to be that cheapest option that's as good, if not better

compared to tuf

[strange flume]

Even msi is functionally ok

Just a low tdp

Which is yes a big drawback

[marsh badge]

gf63 is the one i would absolutely avoid

cyborg ok, passable

has big drawbacks tho

outside of low tdp

single fan (which is fine for low tdp but there's noise concerns)

and only one ssd slot

cyborg has pretty nice battery life despite being intel

but gf63 barely lasts 4 hours

bravo, the ones with 7035HS cpus, those are pretty decent

not tuf good, or loq good

but it's pretty usable

[vestal halo]

Sorry it was the 4070 version, the reason I was getting the laptop is for uni bc I'm going to be an airline pilot and they recommend bringing a computer that can run a flight sim for extra practice

[marsh badge]

ah 4070

that's an ok price then

i can try to find 4070 tuf if it's still on sale

[vestal halo]

I mis typed earlier

The reason I was looking at this one was the i9 and the ludicrous 32 gigs of ram

[strange flume]

Avoid i9

They run like i7's

And you'll burn your lap

[marsh badge]

i9 is useless on laptops

look for ryzen

[strange flume]

If you want high processing power get ryzen 9

[marsh badge]

more efficient and pretty fast

[strange flume]

They can do similar for like, half the wattage

And the igpu in them is solid for battery use

Runs light games

[marsh badge]

aw $999 tuf 4070 is gone

there's 7700s one for 899

[strange flume]

4070 is kinda bleh tho

[marsh badge]

but idk if that's decent for running simulations

depends on the program

[strange flume]

4070m is a slightly better 4060m

[marsh badge]

ye

[strange flume]

1200 I still call that a bit questionable (though i7)

Sorry i7 i9

[vestal halo]

Sale on best buy

[vestal halo]

Ideal specs

[marsh badge]

ok

so you won't need extra cores then

[strange flume]

More gpu more better

Or x3d for flight sim

If that's an option

[vestal halo]

If a 2080 will run it then a 4060 or 70 will be fine

[marsh badge]

yeah

[strange flume]

Flight sim LOVES x3d

It will almost double your fps

[marsh badge]

laptops have no x3d

[strange flume]

Hey

[marsh badge]

unless you drop 5k into one

[strange flume]

Some do

Oh

[marsh badge]

[strange flume]

Sedge

[marsh badge]

yeah

[strange flume]

[marsh badge]

7945HX3D only exists on Strix Scar 17 X3D

[vestal halo]

This laptop is mostly for class flight sim and a few light games ie silent hunter 5

[marsh badge]

https://www.newegg.com/obsidian-black-acer-nitro-16-an16-41-r1we/p/N82E16834360269

id probs get this

add more ram

[vestal halo]

Is ddr6 that much faster than 5?

[marsh badge]

gddr6 is the gpu's ram

it's ddr5, the laptop

[strange flume]

Lol

Understandable mistake

[vestal halo]

My current laptop (an old thinkpad is still on ddr3

[marsh badge]

nitro 16 is also another solid lappy

[vestal halo]

Anything is an upgrade from this

Im gonna be jumping like 10 cpu generations

[marsh badge]

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-ROG-Strix-Scar-G733PYV-XH97/dp/B0CHNZ71GJ @strange flume

A cool $3699 for X3D and 4090

[strange flume]

Can get the same experience with a basic laptop, parsec, and a full desktop but be completely faster

[marsh badge]

yep

[strange flume]

Same price

[marsh badge]

3.7k for a laptop

insane

[vestal halo]

No kidding

[marsh badge]

ya

you can safely pick up the nitro

$70-90 for 32 gigs of ddr5 sodimm

if you need the upgrade

[vestal halo]

The nvidia nvs 5400m is a joke

[marsh badge]

i can imagine

[vestal halo]

It's this bad

[marsh badge]

yeah

pretty bad

[vestal halo]

Which was fine in 2012

[marsh badge]

even in 2012 standards tbf

ddr3 vram

[vestal halo]

All the ram is ddr3

So the 16 gigs I got cramed in there is like 1 or 2 of ddr4 or 5

[strange flume]

Ah yes

Fermi

Or as it was popularised

"Thermi"

(Very hot)

[vestal halo]

Compared to more modern cards

[strange flume]

94x faster lmao

That's 3dm11 too

Not even something that fully uses a 4090 iirc

[marsh badge]

9375%

jesus

[vestal halo]

Yet some how I can still run sea of thieves

At like 25 fps but still

... on a good day

[strange flume]

SoT runs on a toaster now

I was running 4K on that on a gtx 1080

It's old like, UE and dx11

[vestal halo]

Fallout 4 on potato mode got like 23

Ie only with unofficial patch to remove some bugs and minimum graphics

Wait is directx 11 old? I thought it was still standard

[marsh badge]

it is

12 became standard quite a few years

[vestal halo]

I can't complain too much tho bc I got it for free of the hs tech guy when he got an upgrade

[marsh badge]

I upgraded from 850M to 4050

Difference was night and day

[vestal halo]

I made the mistake of trying to run dcs and got .2 fps

Also the computer i had before the thinkpad still had a floppy disk

[vestal halo]

Old

Pentium 4 and like 1 gig of ddr1 ram

[marsh badge]

damn

[vestal halo]

You don't know pain till you have tried to install windows 7 via floppy

[vestal halo]

It took 14 disc's to install windows

I'm just glad I didn't go for 8.1 which can be purchased as 3711 floppys

[marsh badge]

3711

[vestal halo]

Read it and weep

Oh crap I just realized windows 7 was 2153 I did my math very wrong

I couldn't remember the corect number so I crunched it and used the wrong data no wonder it took all day to install like 8 years ago

[marsh badge]

ah yes

of course it's sold in japan

[vestal halo]

Still faster than Dial up

[marsh badge]

I think Japan just finally moved on from floppy recently

[vestal halo]

What it's been Obsolete for eons

[marsh badge]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/floppy-disk-requirements-finally-axed-from-japan-government-regulations/

Just this year even

No more CDs too

[vestal halo]

I better get some sleep it's like 1 am

[marsh badge]

Good night

[vestal halo]

Ouch

[trim river]

Back in my day, what we called a "floppy" disk was actually floppy!

[knotty sparrow]

It was always floppy, just not the whole thing. The magnetic film on the inside was paper thin.

[magic wave]

It's zip disks and the like that aren't floppy

[lethal goblet]

They wouldn't fit in the budget regardless but does any cooler with the little digital screen Infront put images on the little screen or is it only that kraken one?

[knotty sparrow]

There's several coolers that can do that

[vestal halo]

I've had to deal with the 8.5 inch ones before

[strange flume]

Deepcool digital have temperature displays on their towers. It's about as affordable as a screen can get

You could do AK400 digital if you really want something like that for your 7500f/7600

[lethal goblet]

If I ever get one I would specifically get one where u can change pic on front

But I was tryna figure out of the one that show temps if u can change it to show a pic or if it's only a. Select few

This PC build is jus smth I'm getting with. Christmas money quarter of birthday money n jus month budget and a half

[strange flume]

These you can very easily pay like $150 for

Not really worth it

[lethal goblet]

Budget for each month is like 300 to 400 on free stuff so I can't go buying more parts next month gonna spend that n the next month on PC accessors n games like a new mouse n games I didn't have on old PC and a GPU holder n etc

[strange flume]

It's a fun gimmick but there are much cheaper, better ways to do it

[lethal goblet]

By atleast September the plan is to have CPU changed. Keep power supply if it turns out to be good n then maybe switch motherboard

GPU I plan on using ts for a while while if possible

[strange flume]

Like you can buy a raspberry pic screen for $100 and mount it in the place of a 120mm fan, and you have a full screen in the case for less

Run dynamic wallpapers, idle games, full animated gifs instead of small low res ones

It looks way better, there's no competition

[lethal goblet]

True

[strange flume]

You can also do this exact same thing with an old phone and a usb cable

[lethal goblet]

I don't plan on getting either anytime soon though. Just been watching high end pc builds n almost all of them have it

[strange flume]

For free

[strange flume]

Just know when you see it, they spent 100-200 dollars for a pure aesthetic

[lethal goblet]

😭

[strange flume]

It's a whole gpu upgrade or cpu upgrade

Or ram upgrade

That stuff just ain't worth it imo, when your old android phone can do better for free lol

[lethal goblet]

I get it's preference at times but saw one girl get 500gb n a good but not as good as rest of parts motherboard

But had like a 300 dollar cooler

[strange flume]

Ahhhhh

I hate seeing that

[lethal goblet]

N a 170 case

[strange flume]

AAAA

[lethal goblet]

😭

[strange flume]

So few people need a 170 dollar case LOL

[lethal goblet]

She claimed it was for work n gaming but idk 500gb with her budget jus didn't seem rigjty

[strange flume]

It's not

[lethal goblet]

I just want the h9 elite😔

[strange flume]

She had her priorities

H9 elite is a terrible case

[lethal goblet]

Or the over hyped lin one

[strange flume]

H9 flow is usable

Elite is not

[lethal goblet]

Aesthetic wise smh

[strange flume]

Dynamic o11?

[lethal goblet]

Wait I think I meant flow idk

[strange flume]

All elite nzxt's are basically unusable

[lethal goblet]

I don't like RGB strip

[strange flume]

Ah

Probably flow then

Lian Li has the o11 vision

You also have hyte y40

[lethal goblet]

Idk I jus like very plain glass view

[strange flume]

And montech has the king95

All of which I say are better objectively

[lethal goblet]

Hate mesh or mesh looking stuff

Case n GPU r only thing I'm picky looks wise

[strange flume]

Mesh is how it breathes tho

[lethal goblet]

I know lol

[strange flume]

Lol

[lethal goblet]

Would rather suffocste being handsome n I think the case would agree

[strange flume]

Well those would be the ones I'd check out, for similar panoramic glass but way better price or performance

Or even aesthetics

O11 vision is a good case

And yet it's aesthetics first

It's a lot to spend on a case tho

[lethal goblet]

Current one I have came with nc fans n has a little spot in bottom to add figure or that's how it's advertised

[strange flume]

LOL

I've never seen that advertised before

[lethal goblet]

Pretty sure that little spot is for airflow n has mesh st bottom

[strange flume]

That's a really weird gimmick to focus on for a brand

The ones that would use that too are the ones that say like "GUNDAM THEME" in their reddit post

And then it's just the one gundam in that spot

Nothing else

[lethal goblet]

https://www.newegg.com/white-sama-4503-atx-micro-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-009W-00046

[strange flume]

That's what you have rn??

[lethal goblet]

Check second image lol idk how new egg works tho maybe they just got pocs from Internet

Ordered yes

I know it's airflow is trash smh

[strange flume]

That looks like a good case

[strange flume]

No it looks good

[lethal goblet]

😎

[strange flume]

Sama normally good

Airflow side not front

Nv5/Nv7 derivative

And sama quality usually good

I'd take a chance with that

Looks like it comes with no fans though

A couple packs of thermalright c12c's would fix that

Yeah wth they just stick figures in the corner lol

Like it's a pedestal

It's just a dead space tho

Lol

[lethal goblet]

The fans r pre installed

Atleast it says in description I think

Fans r cheap but the fact they were ore installed n the case looked this good with no mesh sealed the deal. Budget for a white case was 60 but I couldn't resist lol

[strange flume]

Oh I didn't see that

It comes with 4

[lethal goblet]

4 is good rightM

[strange flume]

Probably fine then

Ye

[lethal goblet]

😎

Second question Mr felix

I know argb means u can change colors if I'm not mistaken

[strange flume]

You could get 3 more if you wanted to be pedantic (airflow course needs direction for vector changes) but probably wouldn't do much

[strange flume]

Yes

[lethal goblet]

But for something like this how would I change the colors if u know not specifically but jus curjoud

[strange flume]

But...?

[lethal goblet]

Like for argb in the case it makes sense since it will be connected to motherboard n everything so on monitor u could go in n check n change thru there right?

[strange flume]

Usually via mobo software yes

Or openrgb

Or in future just windows

Which will be nice

[lethal goblet]

Ok thx

That's only thing that has confused me

Is how many drivers or things I will have to have downloaded to be able to change colors

[strange flume]

What I do when I install windows

Go to the motherboard website

Go to support

(they all have this)

Download the latest bios

Then go to the drivers page

Download basically everything, or at a minimum chipset drivers

In this case, b650 or a620 chipset drivers

And I stick them on a spare usb

A second usb, different to the one I'd install windows with

Then install those right after I install windows

[lethal goblet]

N u do that on a separate computer?

[strange flume]

Ye

The windows stick and drivers stick both

[lethal goblet]

Ok last question

[strange flume]

Or same pc before you take it apart/wipe it

[lethal goblet]

This may not be ur field

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XM6XZ1F/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B07XM6XZ1F&linkCode=as2&tag=hypercube00-20&linkId=686f1b2572b9bbe8f63f6f12dbf39fb0&th=1&psc=1

And idk much Abt internet speed myself but isn't more mbps better?

[strange flume]

Didn't you order a mobo with wifi?

[lethal goblet]

If so why is this one with more mbps decently cheaper while the other one has way less

Nope I switched but I haven't bought it yet

[strange flume]

So you have a mobo with wifi ye?

[lethal goblet]

Someone told me I can jus use this network card n put it under GPU n it isn't that difficult. Good?

No

[strange flume]

Don't buy a network card imo for AM5

[lethal goblet]

Currently switched to b650m pro rs

[strange flume]

So many boards have wifi

B650m pro rs has a wifi version

They physically wire wifi in for no effort

[lethal goblet]

That's also 150

[strange flume]

And it'll be wifi 6 or 6E

Which is perfectly fine

[lethal goblet]

😭

[strange flume]

If you need more than wifi 5 you're honestly not gaming

[lethal goblet]

Idk what ur saying but question

Too big words

[strange flume]

Lol

[lethal goblet]

Would I suggest switching to a620m pro rs wifi?

U*

[strange flume]

Yes typically

Same board, lower end chipset, same features but wifi

[lethal goblet]

Also I would need to check but I think there is a b650 wifi but it isn't the pro rs wifi that may be in same range

[strange flume]

The only thing you lose is cpu overclocking

Which on ryzen is mostly pointless

Personally I would switch

But b650m pro rs wifi also decent

[lethal goblet]

Now as I said haven't checked diff in price but if the b650 wifi not pro rs wifi but jus the wifi version is at same price range could u go between the a620m pro rs wifi or the b650 wifi

[strange flume]

I would definitely opt for the preinstalled wifi though over the wifi card 1000% btw

Even if the extra card is faster

Less things to plug into the mobo is always better

Both aesthetically and configuration wise

[strange flume]

If you intend to do cpu overclocking, b650m

Otherwise a620m

If you're not familiar with cpu overclocking, a620m

[lethal goblet]

That answered lol

Idk what that even means besides slightly I think

Also I switched back to 5 7600 for cpu

[strange flume]

Overclocking is dialing up the cpu for the free performance baked in

[lethal goblet]

With same GPU should still be able to handle the games I mentioned perfectly?

[strange flume]

Which on ryzen is like

[lethal goblet]

Yeh I ain't doing allat

[strange flume]

1 or 2% for a lot of instability and potential for blue screen of death

[lethal goblet]

😭

[strange flume]

Won't make a difference

[lethal goblet]

😎

Ok two more questions

Is that ur tractor?

[strange flume]

It's not

LOL

[lethal goblet]

😔

[strange flume]

It's an inside joke

[lethal goblet]

U know cost of it?

Nvm lol

[strange flume]

Hahaha

[lethal goblet]

Recently found out farming equipment is insanely expensive

[strange flume]

Yeah man, they work a large scale business basically

[lethal goblet]

🥔🥔

[strange flume]

Pay hundreds of thousands for good tractor and trailer tech

[lethal goblet]

Oh also is it build posted somewhere in here?

[strange flume]

Build?

[lethal goblet]

Saw a damn tractor for 500k

Yeh ur build..

Mb I realized I said it build

[strange flume]

I have a few builds

[lethal goblet]

Smh

I hate the rich

Lol jk

U got it dream one?

Each time u see it I meant to say ur or u

[strange flume]

7950x3d+4090
13900KS/14900K+7900XTX
5900X+6900XT
6800H+3060M
11500H+3060M

[lethal goblet]

Felix

That looks like a bunch of calculations to me I have no clue what that even means in the slightest

[strange flume]

Those are cpus and gpus

I have a couple pics

I'd have to dig them out

[lethal goblet]

It's fine lol

Well thx again

Buying GPU tmrw n rest of build should be bought by end of month😎

[strange flume]

@lethal goblet

My two main rigs rn

[lethal goblet]

Nc build but I won't lie to u

I thought that was a pacman map on the right at first glance

[strange flume]

Hahahaha

It's an alphacool eisblock

Basically the only rgb in that system pretty much

There's a bit behind it but you can't see it cos the 4090 is enormous

Well I normally can't

I normally leave the rgb off on the right side one, completely darked out that build looks really nice

Welp I got a lot to do today, so good luck with it. I'm out ✌️

[trim river]

Are these good? Is there cheaper equivalent?
https://www.newegg.com/phanteks-liquid-cooling-system-t30-120-triple-pack/p/N82E16835709193?Item=N82E16835709193

[lethal goblet]

Idk but I will say 29 reviews n all being 5 stars is pretty good

[sacred wren]

Prolly thermalright b12s/k12s

$85 for some fans is crazy lol

7th of the price, not as good I'd imagine but still plenty
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JmfnTW/thermalright-tl-c12c-x3-6617-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-tl-c12c-x3-d6

[marsh badge]

t30 is good but

expensive as hell

[strange flume]

Pretty much

B12 or gentle typhoon get really close for a lot less

Like

Indiscernibly close

[chrome mauve]

I submitted a warranty claim for my Lian Li AOI cooler but never got a response...

They are constantly loud and my CPU keeps over heating

[strange flume]

They have problems yeah

Even the brand new ones

[chrome mauve]

What do you recommend for replacement

[strange flume]

What CPU

Also what colour do you want

[chrome mauve]

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X

[strange flume]

And the colour

[chrome mauve]

Black with rob fans

RGB

[strange flume]

Black ok

Do you use pbo

Or nah

[chrome mauve]

What’s that

[strange flume]

That's an acceptable answer lol

Ok

Look up thermalright phantom spirit evo

Similarly

Thermalright peerless assassin (SE or non SE) ARGB black

[chrome mauve]

That’s different

My current one attaches to the top of the case

This one does not?

[strange flume]

Yes

It's an air cooler not water

If you want to use PBO I have a different suggestion

[chrome mauve]

Is that equivalent to just having a better fan by saying yes to that lol

[strange flume]

Well compared to the galahad, if you had unifans it would've been almost comparable

[chrome mauve]

I just want to be able to play all my games without the junk sounding like an airplane

[strange flume]

Yeah it wouldn't

[chrome mauve]

What’s your 2Nd rec

[strange flume]

How big is your case

[chrome mauve]

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Nexollo/saved/

This my build

Idk if the link broke

[strange flume]

Empty list

Oh wait there it is

Oh you had a 240 aio?

[chrome mauve]

My bad lol

Yea

[strange flume]

The tower I recommended would be way better

[chrome mauve]

I’m 99% sure I’m part of the lian li recall

But they won’t reply to em

[strange flume]

Much quieter fans and better cooling

[chrome mauve]

So I gotta get new stuff

[marsh badge]

it's like $30-35 for one

those thermalright coolers

[chrome mauve]

The price scares me

Why so cheap lolll

[strange flume]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZQBzK8/thermalright-aqua-elite-v3-6617-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-aqua-elite-360-black-v3
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/znH7YJ/ek-aio-basic-360-77-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-basic-360

Pick

[strange flume]

If you want some background, they ship noctua stuff rebadged as their own

Same factory, same fans

But just cheaper and better

Price ≠ performance

If you look these up you should find good reviews (not the aqua elite, that's a variation of a frozen notte)

[chrome mauve]

Which would you recommend I do development and gaming so I slightly push the pc sometimes

[strange flume]

Imo the phantom spirit evo

Cos 5800x

[chrome mauve]

And that big block just sits ontop the cpu?

[strange flume]

But if you really want it to be quiet, the 360 aio's would be decent

Ye

[chrome mauve]

I want quiet tbh

[strange flume]

And when I mean

Quiet

I mean like

Never makes a sound

The big towers will be very quiet too

[chrome mauve]

I need that I share my room unfortunately lol

[strange flume]

But not dead quiet

Quiet but not dead quiet

The thing is the fans are good

The ek basic is the only one with somewhat noisy fans at load

Galahad is noisy

[chrome mauve]

So which one is the dead quiet one

[strange flume]

Deepcool LS is noisy

[strange flume]

The aqua should be, the phantom spirit evo 1000% will be, the peerless assassin will be

Quiet aio would be like...

Cooler master atmos

If you wanted something not thermalright

Or arctic liquid freezer ii refurb off ebay

For like 70$

[chrome mauve]

Just a little confused since it’s 3 fans

But I think I can only fit 2

[strange flume]

Thermalright is like the new noctua if that makes sense

[strange flume]

You place it on the front

Not the top

Put it this way I'm pretty sure your 3070 ventus will be louder than every suggestion I've just made

[chrome mauve]

Hm

[strange flume]

I run the ek myself

[chrome mauve]

Maybe the phantom spirit then

[strange flume]

And it's dead quiet (with adjusted pump)

The phantom spirit is just a better noctua nh d15

You probably know what that is

Quietest and best tower cooler that's been out from noctua for like 15 years

[chrome mauve]

Got it

Imma go with with the phantom

[strange flume]

Lmk how it goes

[chrome mauve]

What do you think about case fans

Should I leave the factory ones

They are “quiet” but is quieter an option

[strange flume]

Quieter is an option

At this point you'll make everything quiet but the card will still scream haha

[chrome mauve]

O the phantom has no RGB lol

[strange flume]

It does

A little bit

If you want more, peerless assassin

Peerless assassin is very similar, just a tiny bit worse

SE or non-SE doesn't matter

As long as it's under $40 and you like it basically

[chrome mauve]

https://a.co/d/57ELfbD

Seems the lights just around the fan

[strange flume]

Ye see the little ringed edges

Ye

[chrome mauve]

Easy install?

[strange flume]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT5BQD9/

The other one I'm suggesting

[chrome mauve]

Just off the old , thermal paste, and put the new?

[strange flume]

Yea just about

Screwdriver recommended

Kinda hard to reach them without

[chrome mauve]

I kinda like the rgb fan tbh

Is it that bad

[strange flume]

No

As I said quite similar performance

But the phantom spirit is way quieter

Like should never make a sound just about

[chrome mauve]

Hmm a decision

The only other rgb I really have if the 3 front case fans

Removing the cpu cooler fans takes it all

[strange flume]

Look up thermalright c12c's

They're the fans on the peerless

And on the phantom

Thermalright k12

If you're interested in changing them

[chrome mauve]

For the case?

[strange flume]

Ye

[chrome mauve]

No rgb?

[strange flume]

Both rgb

K12 little bit

As you saw

[chrome mauve]

I don’t see it here

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12C-120mm-Case-Cooler/dp/B0C68NYCP7

[strange flume]

Tho as I said, at that point you'll make the pc so quiet the gpu will be by far the loudest part

[chrome mauve]

That’s fine lol

Just sad about no color

[strange flume]

Pick the second option

C12C-S

[chrome mauve]

Oh oopss

[strange flume]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-K12-Computer-Performance-Pressure/dp/B0CJFFCNRX/

[chrome mauve]

So case fans decided

[strange flume]

The other ones^

[chrome mauve]

Omg

You give me so many choices lol

[strange flume]

Well yeah man, if you want quiet pc

I'll show you the best of both

All the choices are good

Pick your poison

[chrome mauve]

I don’t get the rgb just on the outside

[strange flume]

?

[marsh badge]

You mean you want rgb on the fan blades too?

[strange flume]

*Visible confusion *

[chrome mauve]

Sorry if it’s worded bad haha

Yea I think it looks neat

So I’ll get the fan blades for case with rgb

[strange flume]

Yeah if you want man

[chrome mauve]

I need to decide for the cooler tho

[strange flume]

I have reviews I can pull up if you're curious

GN called this the king of 2023, the peerless assassin

And you only have to really replace the fans if they break

Which, you know where to buy

Not discounting that fans usually last many years

And this likely wouldn't be necessary

[chrome mauve]

But does it have RGB fans

[strange flume]

The peerless assassin does

Like full rgb

https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Peerless-TL-C12C-S-Aluminium-Technology/dp/B09YT5BQD9/

Look

[chrome mauve]

I guess I’ll do those

[strange flume]

While we're at it, if I could make a suggestion

To make your pc quieter

What resolution do you play games on

[chrome mauve]

I think I have it on the max

Like screen resolution or?

[strange flume]

Ye

1080p 1440p

[chrome mauve]

Oh 1440p

[strange flume]

How adverse would you be to swapping to a new card

Flip the old one, upgrade

Or even fan modding it

[chrome mauve]

Which card?

[strange flume]

Your 3070 ventus

[chrome mauve]

I got my current one 2 years ago

Is it worth / time to upgrade

https://a.co/d/9K8BJRC should I get paste

[strange flume]

MX-6 is amazing

But no you won't need it

[chrome mauve]

When replacing the cooler you don’t need to repaste?

[strange flume]

I was thinking sidegrade to quieter or deshroud the card

[strange flume]

Comes with paste so

[chrome mauve]

But good paste or …? lol

[strange flume]

Ye

[chrome mauve]

Eh I think I’ll skip the GPU for now

[strange flume]

Alr

[chrome mauve]

we will do a case fan and cpu fan cooler upgrade

[strange flume]

But you know, take the fans off your 3070, stick the fans on that we looked at above

The c12c

With a couple zip ties

It's jank but it would be a lot quieter I'm pretty sure

[chrome mauve]

Eh it doesn’t need to be that quiet tbh

[strange flume]

Alr

[chrome mauve]

Just no more airplane cpu cooler

[strange flume]

Yea well that should be unlikely to happen now

[chrome mauve]

Every being else is fine right

RAM etc

[strange flume]

Ye ofc

[chrome mauve]

Idk when I should upgrade stuff to keep it smooth

[strange flume]

I'm just thinking about silent pc rn

Lol

[strange flume]

Should be fine long time

[chrome mauve]

We will see

Perfect ordering the fans now

You don’t think I should get the Mx6 tho

Not necessary?

[strange flume]

I don't think so no

Marginal improvement and then you probably won't use it again for ages

I mean up to you

It's $7

But I'd say meh

[chrome mauve]

I’ll skip it

Thank you so much for all your input

[strange flume]

Np

Let us know how it goes

Everything can be reversed and fixed if you use amazon so

[chrome mauve]

Just hoping I don’t damage nothing swapping the cpu cooler

[strange flume]

So should be nothing to worry about

[strange flume]

I feel bad for all the galahad owners imo

[chrome mauve]

😂

[strange flume]

Feels like a lot of people were affected

[chrome mauve]

Yea and they don’t respond to us 🤡

[strange flume]

Probably inundated

I hear about it frequently lately

That said, always good to send follow up emails

They won't make it an issue until you do in my experience

As with all warranty services

[chrome mauve]

I send a follow up no reply either lol

That’s why I’m giving up on them for now

[strange flume]

Jesus

I wish you luck with that lol

Sounds pretty bad

[chrome mauve]

The cooler comes with paste right

[strange flume]

Yes

Like the galahad, a cooler comes with all necessary parts

[chrome mauve]

I’ll watch a video on it later but is it as simple as remove old one (wipe old paste?????) and then paste and place new cooler ontop it?

[strange flume]

Ye you wipe it off

You can use alcohol wipes ideally

You know like the ones from kfc?

(ever been to kfc?)

[chrome mauve]

Those are fine on the parts?

[strange flume]

Ye

[chrome mauve]

Yes I have KFC 😂

[strange flume]

Alcohol is good for PC's

Lol

Those little wipes they give you

Those are alcohol wipes

[chrome mauve]

I don’t think I have any tbh

[strange flume]

Similarly you can get 99% alcohol from a shop

And spray it onto a paper towel

Very effective

Or just use a good paper towel

Paper towels are good, serviettes

Toilet paper if you're desperate

[chrome mauve]

Paper towel sounds better lol

[strange flume]

Just make sure you leave no paper behind

[chrome mauve]

Perfect I’m excited

[strange flume]

Like whatever you use

You don't need to do a perfect job

But I'd get the top surface basically spotless at the minimum

[chrome mauve]

Just scared to break it

[strange flume]

It won't break if you leave it in the socket and don't wipe stupidly hard

Picture this analogy for me

You're 45

New parent

You're 2 year old toddler just ripped a fat duce

And you're wiping his ass

That level of gentle

[chrome mauve]

Got it good analogy 😂😂

[strange flume]

Like a real fatty surprise

And you gotta be 99% thorough

I need a coffee

Alr I gotta dip good luck

[chrome mauve]

I got the fans

But I might have got myself in a Small mess

I am trying to setup the new fans but I’m confused on the plugs

Idk where this one goes

[marsh badge]

That's ARGB 3 pin

[chrome mauve]

Ugh I caused a disaster

I put this into the MOBO

Then I daisy chained the other cable

And this one I left into nothing

[strange flume]

Oh no

I think I know what may have happened if you left it turned on too long

So the first pic is the fan motor plug

The second is daisy chained rgb

And the third is a fan motor daisy chain

[strange flume]

Rgb again

They go into 5v argb or for other boards jrainbow (msi)

The fan motor plugs go into the fan mobo headers

So like

Cpu fan

Aio pump

Cha_fan1

Etc

[chrome mauve]

So I’m doing it wrong?

[strange flume]

Idk what you've done

As long as you haven't plugged the 5v argb into any fan headers or 12v rgb nothing should've broken

There's a mobo manual to interpret these things

[chrome mauve]

1. there is a cable coming down from casing where I daisy chained

The middle picture

Is that correct?

[strange flume]

The case?

Does the case also have a sata plug yes or no

[chrome mauve]

This comes down from casing

[strange flume]

Weird

Do the pins on it pop out

Like can you pull them out somewhat gently

Like you found something weird in your 2yr old toddler's hands 😂😂😂

[chrome mauve]

Not coming out

[strange flume]

Alr so that's a weird case plug

Normally they don't have pins but plugs

I really wish I could add another t there but anyway

So fans into motherboard 5v argb

So case doesn't have anything like this?

[chrome mauve]

Nope

[strange flume]

Interesting

What case is this

[chrome mauve]

Old fans went into these

[strange flume]

Which case is this??

[chrome mauve]

Lian Li Lancool II Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case

[strange flume]

That doesn't have case rgb does it

Maybe rgb power button??

Weirdge

[chrome mauve]

Yea it does

[strange flume]

That's probably what it is

[chrome mauve]

Which cable is this

[strange flume]

Fan

12v fan

Use the manual sir

[chrome mauve]

I plugged that into the MOBO

As long as that’s plugged in I should be good right

I daisy chained the rgb and plugged the fan plugs in

Am I safe to turn it on

I’m just confused since each fan plug also has a daisy chain piece on it

But I’m not using them

[strange flume]

The daisy chains are so you can attach them all to one plug

[chrome mauve]

Ah I don’t need that then the old ones each had their own

[languid gale]

That’s case RGB

[chrome mauve]

So I setup my peerless assassaij

But I can’t figure out where to put the RGB cable

[knotty sparrow]

Check your motherboard manual. The header will be labeled something like argb, jrgb, things like that.

[strange flume]

@knotty sparrow

@sacred wren

DON'T FREAK OUT

OMG

EVERYBODY CALM DOWN

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/315117324684

REVERSE C12C

WTHHHH

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qRwmP6/thermalright-tl-c12rw-s-v2-58-cfm-120-mm-fan-c12rw-s-v2

$7 A FAN WTF

REVERSE FANS AT THE ENTRY LEVEL????

WTF???

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/355457981507

INFINITY MIRROR AT THE ENTRY LEVEL????

[vocal fable]

huh

whats so special about them

[strange flume]

These are like, some of the best fans you can buy for the price

and they have high end aesthetics now

LCD FANS WHEN THERMALRIGHT

[vocal fable]

is that these in black? https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12B-S-Connector-Computer-Bearing/dp/B0CP5GWBGX/ref=sr_1_7?crid=H82J0HZ36NSG&keywords=TL-C12W-S+V3&qid=1707896736&s=industrial&sprefix=tl-c12w-s+v3%2Cindustrial%2C318&sr=1-7

[strange flume]

$20!?

[vocal fable]

cause if so

thats kinda insane

[strange flume]

$6.50 a fan for something that's like

two strokes short of a unifan

what the actual

I HAVE SLEPT ON THIS

They're C12 family

so they're 100% decent

$16!?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CP7F7RVH/

[vocal fable]

do they have a reverse 140

[strange flume]

$3 for freaking infinity fan effects

insane

it's almost like fan brands rip you off for this crap

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT

Ahh

I can't stay

this is so crazy but I gotta dip

I have found

a GOLD MINE

for aesthetic recommendations

[vocal fable]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112464991094833232/1134726830805483621/7DFBB949-DB82-4D5A-A400-BE6AEDAC1F7A.gif

[vocal fable]

someone posted this in the amd server

@strange flume how

[knotty sparrow]

Distro plates are fun

[strange flume]

I feel like it's a soft tube loop

The lines don't look straight but VERY coordinated

[knotty sparrow]

You might be right about that, with the bends taken care of with these

[vocal fable]

what are the benefits of water

like if i were to do a full loop with both the gpu and cpu on water

[knotty sparrow]

Water moves heat more efficiently than most other materials so it's better at moving heat away from things that need to be cooled

Which means the parts can be kept cooler under load, which might get a few percent better performance

It really is only a few percent

Though it can make overclocking better, more stable

[vocal fable]

would it make a room cooler

actually wait no

itd do the opposite wouldnt it

since its moving the heat out of the pc more effectively

[knotty sparrow]

Right. It would move the heat away from the components and into the air.

[vocal fable]

it does look very cool

its something id like to try eventually

[strange flume]

The biggest benefit to water is sound imo

[vocal fable]

I wouldn’t mind considering my gpu sounds like it’s going to take flight when fans are past 50%

[strange flume]

Deshroud can be just as huge for something specific

[magic wave]

makes you not thirsty

[rustic trellis]

https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-liquid-cooling-system-th360-v2-ultra-argb/p/N82E16835106755

Anyone use this aio. Any good

[strange flume]

Go look at thermalright Aqua elite v3

Thermalright frozen notte 360

Or thermalright frozen magic scenic v2

Or

Ek basic 360

Paying over about $100 for an aio not worth it for a screen

You can buy a much bigger raspberry pi screen separately and mount that to the case for $80

Not to mention, like the kraken aios, those aren't really noteworthy, the thermaltake ones

[proper jewel]

How do people get watercooling pipes? It always fascinates me that people manage to get ones that fit perfectly. Are there ones designed for specific setups, are many of the sets easily customisable or do they require some specialist DIY skills?

[shrewd juniper]

So technically water-cooling "pipes" tubes can be had with an aio (all in one) or what you're most likely talking about is custom water cooling, you need to buy a cpu/gpu block, a pump, tubes (either soft or hard, hard is honestly impractical, requires basically sawing and bending with heat), fittings and a reservoir (can be included in the pump as a combo)

[sturdy flame]

do these two go together? they are incredibly stiff but it's the only plug that matches on these fans when I'm trying to daisy chain them

[knotty sparrow]

No, the one on the left is a fan power daisy chain

On the right is ARGB

[sturdy flame]

found it thanks

[vocal fable]

hard looks so good when its done by people who know what theyre doing though

[sturdy flame]

@sacred wren sorry to ping you, but i need some assistance with my fans, do you think you could take a look?

[sacred wren]

Possibly

I can't make any promises I'll know what's up but I'll tty

[sturdy flame]

so I've been trying to daisy chain them right

and I got the rgb connected

but I can't figure out where the power cords are supposed to go

this is the rgb cord

[sacred wren]

Can I see the plug for power?

[sturdy flame]

right there

are there other extra ones

[sacred wren]

Those either go onto your mobo or a fan hub

There should be 3 or 4 pin headers on your mobo, not the ones labeled rgb or argb

[sturdy flame]

right

are these not chainable?

I can chain the rgb but not the power?

I'm just confused because I thought the point of daisy chains was to use one header for multiple fans

[marsh badge]

Yes, and it's not for rgb

It's for powering the fans

You want an rgb hub or a splitter

You can chain the power together

[sturdy flame]

is that something extra that I have to buy

and how can I chain the power? none of these plugs go into each other

[sturdy flame]

nvm I figured it out

[strange flume]

oh wow

I just seen something crazy

https://www.techpowerup.com/319095/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-cpu-cooler-pictured

[shrewd juniper]

WHAT DID I SAY WHEN THE P12 MAX CAME OUT LET'S GOO (and the lf2 stock kinda dipped)

That looks so clean

[bright ether]

ohmy

smexy

damn this is probally gonna be really good

[vocal fable]

@strange flume https://www.amazon.com/Antec-5V-3PIN-Addressable-Motherboard-controller/dp/B07FNKHDRS/ref=pd_rhf_gw_s_pd_sbs_rvi_d_sccl_1_7/140-5285151-7485622?pd_rd_w=nFdr1&content-id=amzn1.sym.a089f039-4dde-401a-9041-8b534ae99e65&pf_rd_p=a089f039-4dde-401a-9041-8b534ae99e65&pf_rd_r=SPWBVCV2K984WYQ39M1K&pd_rd_wg=Gtqth&pd_rd_r=073fb6c6-1469-4526-9118-3ee3aded1800&pd_rd_i=B07FNKHDRS&th=1 thoughts

[shrewd juniper]

Meh get the thermalright c12c unless you want that ring only look i guess

[vocal fable]

i want to do a case swap in a few months i think, id do all black but i love the way rgb ringed fans look

are these any good? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C743H79N/ref=twister_B0CJFBHQBZ?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

[sacred wren]

Ye they're solid, overall there's some very good aesthetic and performance wise different variants of the c12c, also check out the k12 and b12

[vocal fable]

does thermalright have any 140mm ring fans

[sacred wren]

B14 maybe?

[vocal fable]

cause i think I want to swap to the h6 from nzxt, which the bottom intakes are 2 140mm, the reviews for these fans actually have them in a white h6 which looks really good imo

oh another review has the h6 too

[cobalt imp]

Have the H150i Elite Capellix XT on a R7 5800X...doing cinebench with Game Mode Precision Boost Overdrive enabled...are these temps high for having a 360mm AIO?

[knotty sparrow]

The 5800X is quite simply hot. There's no way to avoid that. It actually gets hotter than the 5950X because it has a higher heat density.

I can keep mine in the mid 70s when gaming overclocked with PBO on a 420mm AIO.

[strange flume]

it being in the 70's during cinebench is extremely good tbh

not fully loaded avx2 but it's impressive

[vocal fable]

thermalright has infinity fans for like 9 bucks thats wild https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-M12-1500RPM-Cooling-Desktop/dp/B0CP7QGMQ8/ref=sr_1_53?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.0lcivPhjRG9xBVJFNNgS7JkbXQ5KVVSC1b3uWWw1zB3GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.0_QmdMYQvkBO1RF77Rf1OiAoQiWctxrlygF_RwtI5f8&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermalright+c12c&qid=1708415239&sr=8-53

[strange flume]

WUT

[vocal fable]

ive been scrolling through their amazon page they have all sorts of stuff

[strange flume]

it looks good

[vocal fable]

they look decent too

[strange flume]

it's arguably easily better than a unifan

but it's not their good design

it's similar to the S12

so it shouldn't be bad

should be alright

[vocal fable]

what do you think of these

i like the design alot

[strange flume]

I just answered your question

lol

[strange flume]

^

it's not GT-based or C12 based

but S12's are functional

they won't be disgusting

[vocal fable]

this is the first time ive looked at thermalright fans I dont have the numbers and letters memorized nor do i know what they mean

[strange flume]

hey I'm not hatin

If you want lots of RGB, an S12 or M12 sounds like a WAY better idea than any bloody $30 corsair or $50 unifan

any day of the week

[vocal fable]

i just like ring rgb fans

[strange flume]

my current favourites for RGB are K12's

[vocal fable]

unifan type fans are cool but id get sick of how much rgb they have eventually

i cant say im the biggest fan

[strange flume]

well yeah

there are bigger fans smh

But @vocal fable this is the big reason why:

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnoctua.at%2Fpub%2Fmedia%2Fwysiwyg%2Fnews%2Fnoctua_nf_a12x25_launch.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=9b12ebfa897659a04d6fe88d3719990f9a66b7db46bbda05ab2ab13918499209&ipo=images

[vocal fable]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-mighty-omega-gif-22253898

i should of worded that better lmao

[strange flume]

lol

but side-by-side the K12/B12 and A12x25 are identical

same performance

except TR has it for almost 1/4 the price and with white and/or rgb

A12x25 is up near Phanteks T30 tier

Or I say near but it's pretty much side by side

[strange flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfffNRTOZCc&ab_channel=GamersNexus

Special note: Deepcool mystique

LS720/LT720 but LCD

ok tl;dr ||New best but only if you care about noise. Models ship with vanilla P12, paving the way for a max variant later. It's not overall best and not a massive improvement over LFII, however better aesthetics and there's potentially better coldplate tolerances may surface with this model||

[vocal fable]

when I case swap I might get a base 360 one and swap it out with thermaltake fans

[strange flume]

https://youtu.be/jMeH7SJO74Q?si=W8bx-oX8PYQbZBzR

@sacred wren @knotty sparrow more comprehensive source than GN here. Also side note the Frozen Edge makes an appearance and is fantastic for both AMD and Intel

[sacred wren]

Hold up

Edge does better than lf3??

[strange flume]

In some scenarios yeah

But LF3 is "the goat" from reviewers as it just does excellent under noise normalised

As far as brute force you have the Galcier one V2 T30* and the Ryujin III ($500 freaking dollars) over it

But yes, we can basically now recommend Edge for everything and LF3 for silent versions of everything

[knotty sparrow]

LF3 price is nice too

[sleek fox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMeH7SJO74Q
Arctic released white Freezer AIOs

FINALLY

[strange flume]

Scroll up

💀

[knotty sparrow]

The excitement is understandable, it's been the topic of the day here

$108 for an ARGB 360mm is just

[strange flume]

Hell yeah

My only concern for the near future is coldplate consistency

The offset mount is a bit questionable too

Wayyyy low

[vocal fable]

does it have to be offset

[strange flume]

no