Iphone pro or riot
#old-cooling
languid gale
Kids these days…
strange flume
Kids these days…
I gotta play the part of ancient don't I?
strange flume
We're def doing better than a couple years ago
Danny the slumdog millionaire
languid gale
What happened to respecting their elders?
twin ivy
Well hes an exception
twin ivy
U should have bought it felix
twin ivy
Idk u seem to like 6700xt or sum
strange flume
I do
twin ivy
I've already had fun with one
But you could have beat my 3dmark score
strange flume
It's the greatest card on the planet
I could
But I was selling the card so I couldn't open it
digital wedge
Can I post a really dumb cooling take I saw in another discord here?
Cause it's funny asf
Based asf
languid gale
Can I post a really dumb cooling take I saw in another discord here?
Go for it
As long as it isn’t vulgar
digital wedge
twin ivy
Bruh Bruh Bruh
strange flume
Man's never used a laptop before
digital wedge
@strange flume he also didn't read the articles he linked at all
strange flume
Give him a laptop and watch him MonkaS 
He's like, referencing a rule of thumb from 10 years ago
Maybe even longer
digital wedge
One of the links was a lab making an over die oil cooler with a clear top to use ir cameras to measure die temps
And the other was just an oc team talking about overclocking and just loosely mentioned for one of they were testing they were trying to keep the CPU under 80c because the voltage they were using
So not at all relevant to stock
digital wedge
Maybe even longer
Man's mains pentium ii guaranteed
strange flume
I don't even understand why he's suggesting copper heat transfer like it means anything
I think he's trolling tbh
digital wedge
Yea, increased resistance only matters relative to temps if you are so close to minimum voltage for a given clock that it makes filling output capacitance of a transistor impossible
Which is like bleeding edge stability
I've had overclocks like that before but no CPU is like that stock
strange flume
It has so little to do with the rebuttal tho
💀
Like 65C = safe, here is what copper does btw
💀
digital wedge
I think he thought saying something remotely scientific would makee think hes right
strange flume
Ya I think he's trolling
digital wedge
Lol
strange flume
Lol
digital wedge
I wish he was but his later comments make me think he's just coping @strange flume
strange flume
💀
magic sparrow
This guys a bit out of sync with todays prices ig
Yet still has 12 upvotes... Nani tf?
twin ivy
Yet still has 12 upvotes... Nani tf?
Fr
twin ivy
LOL
knotty sparrow
Too bad the sub doesn't allow for comments with such criticisms
languid gale
Any issue with pump placement? I’ll flip the PC over when filling it
strange flume
Where is the pump in that little housing @languid gale
If it's top side like that then flip it
Or make damn sure it's mostly submerged
strange flume
Yeah no, if any air gets trapped in there it'll hurt the pump's lifespan
Secure it at the back or smthn
magic sparrow
Yeah no, if any air gets trapped in there it'll hurt the pump's lifespan
Pump isnt highest point, it isnt much of a concern
strange flume
Yeah if no air is trapped
magic sparrow
Do need to flip PC a few times to make sure most air is gone tho
Also screw around with pump speed (stay at low for a bit, stay at high for a bit, move percentage around).
strange flume
I'd be listening out for bubbling or cavitation when you run the pc at first after working the system around
Just in case some is still trapped
The more submerged the pump is, the better
languid gale
Rn my only options are to have it mounted up there, or loosely placed in the PSU shroud and have pain and suffering because of tubing
languid gale
Actually maybe I could try, having it mounted on my rear fan?
knotty sparrow
I'd be listening out for bubbling or cavitation when you run the pc at first aft...
Flip the PC upside down to run the first time and the pump will be the correct orientation
strange flume
Flip the PC upside down to run the first time and the pump will be the correct o...
Yes, you could do this
Run it upside down for a few hours
magic sparrow
Rn my only options are to have it mounted up there, or loosely placed in the PSU...
Lol for years I had losely secured pump/res. Was fun worrying about it smashing glass sidepanel when I was moving with PC. First time ever actually have well secured pump/res now.
languid gale
At the back exhaust
No clearance for that, sadly
Looks like top mount pump it is
I ain’t redoing my cpu block tubes, I put my life and soul into them LMAO
languid gale
If it dies, I have an excuse to get that FLT360 pump/res combo
Too late to return this pump and res really
Since they were installed and all
strange flume
The res will look cool on the bottom
Especially if it's not totally filled
You'll get to see the ripples on the surface lol
magic sparrow
If it dies, I have an excuse to get that FLT360 pump/res combo
Sadge, no repairing. Pumps are mildly easy to repair.
languid gale
Never tried repairing pumps so maybe I’ll give it a try if this one dies
strange flume
Aren't they just basic fish tank pumps
languid gale
Closest thing I did to fixing a pump was replacing the bearings in my pool pump
strange flume
Maybe I heard it wrong at some point
knotty sparrow
Aren't they just basic fish tank pumps
Some are, most are more simple
Here's an example, this is the entire pump assembly
languid gale
…it’s exactly like the one I 3d printed for my operation soda steal
knotty sparrow
That's a DDC impeller motor pump
languid gale
Basically the pump I have now
harsh crow
Are there any coolants that have either a metallic or crystal like look?
Because I am thinking of retrying the attempt at a Crystal themed PC.
digital wedge
Aren't they just basic fish tank pumps
Ddc and d5 aren't really meant for fish tanks
digital wedge
Are there any coolants that have either a metallic or crystal like look?
Yes but they are showpiece fluids and cost a ton and last like a week to a month
harsh crow
Yes but they are showpiece fluids and cost a ton and last like a week to a month
Ooof really?
How come they only last like a month?
digital wedge
Cause they have suspended particles
harsh crow
Also mind telling me the name and showing some pictures? I'd love to check it out.
digital wedge
They clog the loop and coat components
Vue is one of them and there is mayhems aurora
harsh crow
Mayhems Aurora looks AMAZING 😍
digital wedge
Only issue is it costs a ton and won't last long
harsh crow
Would work perfectly for the crystal theme I have in mind.
harsh crow
How does that look?
digital wedge
Like this
harsh crow
harsh crow
That's really cool.
Also I just got an idea.
I could do the UV coolance and coat the tubes with gem dust.
digital wedge
Yea
harsh crow
So it'd be super reflective and crystal looking.
digital wedge
That would work well
harsh crow
You think a crystal themed dual or triple loop would look goog in the Tower 900?
digital wedge
Hell yea
harsh crow
Crystals all along the bottom and sides and the tubes coated in gem dust with uv coolant.
digital wedge
Especially if you use blocks that fit the theme and maybe get a more angular reservoir
harsh crow
Noted.
Looked it up and I can get about 100 grams of finely crushed quartz dust for about $30.
So I can probably coat all the tubes I need for around 100 bucks.
harsh crow
Especially if you use blocks that fit the theme and maybe get a more angular res...
Looked it up and there doesn't seem to be crystal themed water blocks so I'd probably buy a nickle block that's see through like the one from Bykski and coat it in crushed quartz crystals.
Seems one other PC has attempted and accomplished what I am trying to do just in a different case and not custom water cooled.
knotty sparrow
How's this? Does this fit the theme?
harsh crow
Is that shattered glass?
knotty sparrow
Maybe
harsh crow
No, for the PC I would use real crystals.
Not fakes whenever I can. Only exception would be with Royal ram sticks.
harsh crow
Just realized it's be far cheaper to buy raw quart or other crystals and crush it myself.
digital wedge
Looked it up and there doesn't seem to be crystal themed water blocks so I'd pro...
Bykski has some
I actually have a spare I'd send you but I'm probably gonna need it when I get my am4 bench up
supple harbor
you guys think it's worth going with toughfans over p12s if I can get em for about $10 a fan
supple harbor
rip
After some research it seems like it goes p12s, gentile typhoon then noctua or t30
Everything else kinda is irrelevant unless u want RGB
knotty sparrow
Yeah that about sums it up
digital wedge
After some research it seems like it goes p12s, gentile typhoon then noctua or t...
For radiator fans or airflow fans?
Cause as radiator fans p12 beat noctua a12
harsh crow
Bykski has some
Really? Mind sending a pic? I couldn't find any.
ngl, now that I have this crystal theme in mind I am debating leaving the ram out of the loop, buying the royals and modding them with actual crystals on top.
digital wedge
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@harsh crow
harsh crow
You mean the fins?
The copper plate in general.
Might be because I watched the video where JTC discussed the differences between open and closed loop and he showed off the corsair copper plate that was on those which looked a good bit bigger in volume compared to that.
digital wedge
The copper plate in general.
It's thicker than any I've used before
But fins go deep
harsh crow
Oh okay.
harsh crow
It's thicker than any I've used before
How does that block perform compared to others?
digital wedge
How does that block perform compared to others?
It's like velocity tier or a little better
Not top tier
It's like average
harsh crow
Gotcha.
What are top tier water blocks for AM5?
Also mind if I ask couple other questions?
digital wedge
TechN
That's just the top dog rn
And pretty cheap
But doesn't follow crystal theme
But amazing performer
It embarrassed Optimus even lol
harsh crow
But doesn't follow crystal theme
My plan currently is to buy raw quartz and maybe a few other crystals either crushed or raw and crushed it myself then coat the see through areas of the loop in them.
So any block would work.
Does LianLi have any fans comparable to a P12 or better? Cost aside.
Because I genuinely don't want to deal with daisy chaining 12-20 fans....
or other brands with good fans that have a similar daisy chaining style.
shrewd juniper
Nope corsair showed off some at computex but who knows til that's out
And afaik with lian li you can only do 3 at a time anyway
I guess you can only do that anyway but corsairs runs entirely off 1 connection
digital wedge
Does LianLi have any fans comparable to a P12 or better? Cost aside.
No afaik
harsh crow
I guess you can only do that anyway but corsairs runs entirely off 1 connection
When do those come out?
Because after my experience with daisy chaining 11 fans in the Fractal Torrent I don't want to reexpwrience that with 20.
knotty sparrow
And afaik with lian li you can only do 3 at a time anyway
The uni fans can have 4 chained together, and 4 chains to a single hub
harsh crow
The uni fans can have 4 chained together, and 4 chains to a single hub
Gotcha.
If Corsair's fans aren't out by the time I do this build I am going LianLi. I don't even want to imagine the nightmare of what it'd be like to do 20 P14s.
shrewd juniper
When do those come out?
🤷
shrewd juniper
The uni fans can have 4 chained together, and 4 chains to a single hub
Ah my bad you just need to find a case that supports 120mm x4 anyway lol
dark widget
Using qfan tuning what should my minimum temperature and fan power duty be? Im not quite sure how that works
harsh crow
Using qfan tuning what should my minimum temperature and fan power duty be? Im n...
I recommend FanControl. For temps I recommend setting max temp then making min temp half of that or 1/3rd of it because of it's to low then your always gonna hear a fan going.
harsh crow
Oh the claw machine?
lmao yep.
Display case, claw machine, whatever you wanna call it.
By the time I am done with it, it's goint to be the Crystal Display Case of PC dreams.
languid gale
@digital wedge how much DI water should I get for flushing out my rads?
digital wedge
Just buy a gallon tbh
harsh crow
Just realized that when I am in the US for Salmon season in about a month I got two months there where I can get my hands on certain parts that I otherwise won't be able to get in China and avoid import fees.
languid gale
Just buy a gallon tbh
I just realized the extra tubes I bought are PETG, how bad is it if I used them?
knotty sparrow
PETG isn't bad. You can mix plastics just fine, it's metals you need to worry about.
languid gale
I’ve just heard about a lot of PETG failing
knotty sparrow
Failing how?
languid gale
Basically melting
knotty sparrow
It's usually bad bends that I've seen
Yeah people didn't know what they were doing when they did bends
It's got a lower melting point
languid gale
Stuff like this happening out of nowhere
knotty sparrow
But not so low that it'll melt with 40C water flowing over it
rotund sable
Stuff like this happening out of nowhere
knotty sparrow
I refuse to believe that's "out of nowhere"
Something failed for the liquid to get hot enough to do that, if they're even being half truthful
digital wedge
I just realized the extra tubes I bought are PETG, how bad is it if I used them?
I use mainly petg
strange flume
Stuff like this happening out of nowhere
Bruh you didn't water ur pc enough, it's wilting 💀
knotty sparrow
Now that I look at it, yeah it looks like the water level got too low and since the CPU is the highest point in the loop the block got too hot
languid gale
This loop is almost done 
languid gale
Different mount holes
It’s horizontally mounted now, should be fine
And still looks pretty good
strange flume
Ya much more comfortable with it like that tbh
languid gale
I’m loving how good these bends are coming out
2 more tubes to run, then the loop is basically done
strange flume
It looks great
languid gale
Imma make these last few bends with 90° fittings, it’ll make life so much easier instead of making like 4 bends in a single tube
languid gale
Hard tubing is fun
harsh crow
This loop is almost done <:weggChefKiss:904600580419387413>
Looking great.
languid gale
@digital wedge I screwed up
I didn’t push any of my tubes past the o-ring inside of the fitting
digital wedge
I didn’t push any of my tubes past the o-ring inside of the fitting
Oof
Yea, takes a lot of force sometimes
languid gale
Wait I’m testing with an air tester at 10 PSI and so far no leaks, should I still redo the loop?
digital wedge
Tbh I would
But it's up to you
Sometimes the tolerances will be loose enough that you can push it in even if it doesn't fit perfect so you might just need to redo some runs
languid gale
The issue is that the tubes are too short to fully push in
The edge of them is only pushing up against the o-ring
digital wedge
This is why I like silicone ring fittings
If this happens you just tighten them more lol
Then they compress more
languid gale
Could I just replace the fittings with those?
strange flume
Probably less headache if it works tbh
languid gale
This is why I like silicone ring fittings
I tried searching for them but I can’t find anything
digital wedge
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@languid gale this is what I use
Honestly best fittings I've ever used
By far
Easy ASF to get threaded too
languid gale
So with them I wouldn’t have to rebend all my tubes?
digital wedge
Depends
But they have much looser tolerances allowed and much better sealing capability
Which is why I love them
strange flume
Sounds like it's worth trying at least
harsh crow
Are there pumps which can be used in a PC that don't use a fan/propeller or whatever the middle thing is that moves the water?
Wondering because that might help with having suspended particles in water.
knotty sparrow
That won't change issues with particles, they'll still settle when it's off and stick together
Impeller pumps like the DDC or D5 models are about your best bet for PC cooling, very few moving parts and easy to service.
strange flume
Not just that, but in any system you'll have idle points in the flow where suspended/isolated particles and sediment will settle and get stuck
Sharp bends are textbook examples, you see it in gpu blocks quite often
Visual example
I should do these more they're improving my drawing skills 
marsh badge
aka needs cleanup after every once in a while no matter what
harsh crow
Gotcha.
What if the pump is always running and there aren't sharp bends?
Would that fix the problem?
knotty sparrow
- You can't have a loop without bends
- There's still buildup in the blocks even if you could somehow have all one direction water flow
harsh crow
Ahh so it's unavoidable.
Well that's annoyin cause coolants like Mayhems Aurora look amazing.
harsh crow
But accoording to BiostarOC there are so many suspended particles in that to where you'd have to drain and clean the system every like month.
harsh crow
You have to pay the aesthetic tax though
that I am fine with.
It's the constant draining and refilling that's gonna be the bane of me.
strange flume
What if the pump is always running and there aren't sharp bends?
Because of the nature of a pc system there's always sharp bends, again, very common in a gpu block
Jet plates are also very common for build up
Sediment can't escape the thin fins
knotty sparrow
Example of buildup, this was a white fluid in the GPU block
harsh crow
So the way to do a colored low maintenance build would be to use tubes that are colored?
strange flume
The short story is no matter what, a water loop is high maintenance
strange flume
So the way to do a colored low maintenance build would be to use tubes that are ...
Can be worse sometimes
knotty sparrow
Or UV reactive tubes, I like those
harsh crow
So long as the maintenance is around once every 5-6 months I am fine with that.
strange flume
If you want a low maintenance build, get aio's
harsh crow
Or UV reactive tubes, I like those
That's a thing?
harsh crow
I am fine with maintenance so long as it's not like every month I gotta drain the system.
knotty sparrow
Feser UV reactive tubing yeah
harsh crow
Feser UV reactive tubing yeah
does it actually glow like this?
knotty sparrow
Maybe not every month but you will notice over a few months the fluid gets lighter over time, meaning buildup
strange flume
I am fine with maintenance so long as it's not like every month I gotta drain th...
If you use the right fluids it's not every month, mine can go up to a year with the mix I use
knotty sparrow
does it actually glow like this?
Under a UV light yes
harsh crow
If you use the right fluids it's not every month, mine can go up to a year with ...
So long as it lasts as long as at least 4 months I am happy with maintenance.
How long does colored uv fluid ussually last?
strange flume
No idea
The less you mix in that isn't preventatives like biocides or pure water the better
digital wedge
The short story is no matter what, a water loop is high maintenance
Nah, if you get a good uv fluid you're usually good for years and years
digital wedge
If you want a low maintenance build, get aio's
I don't like this idea. They have buildup just as fast or faster than a loop but just aren't serviceable. I think the reason most people believe they don't need work is they never opened an old aio or repaired one. They get messy over time even if they work fine. Basically a loop without clear tubes tbh
knotty sparrow
Lots of AIO models are being recalled for sediment issues and corrosion lately too
If you get a good one you're probably ok for a good 5 years though
digital wedge
Yea but you're probably about as or more fine for 5 years in a good uv coolant
strange flume
If you're skeptical then get an LF2, those are serviceable, and refillable quite easily
By the time you go to refill an LF2 you've probably repasted 2-3 times already
digital wedge
I kinda wish all aios had a full port
strange flume
A lot do, it's just sealed tight
twin ivy
Refill my ls720 through the pressure release valve frfr
strange flume
Typically the fill on an aio is on some edge of the radiator. There are some unique ones like alphacool that put it on the block too
digital wedge
I use bulk cryoclog on all my aios lol
strange flume
Alphacool makes theirs to be refilled
languid gale
Bruh why is aliexpress shipping so long?
knotty sparrow
Because it's shipping from Asia?
languid gale
But when I buy other bykski parts from their website they shipped from Idaho
knotty sparrow
Then you got lucky that time
languid gale
Every order from their website ships from Idaho
I’ve ordered 4 times and each time came within 2 days
knotty sparrow
Lucky you. Everything I've ordered from them has come from India.
Except once where it was China.
harsh crow
Here is the koolance 702 with just the uv lights on
Koolance 702 is that the tubes or name of the coolant?
Also looks amazing.
knotty sparrow
That's the coolant
harsh crow
I bet it'd look amazing with frosted tubes especially if the frosted tubes is also uv reactive.
languid gale
ITS BUILT
languid gale
Probably need to work out some air from the pump
Yeah it’s this air bubble that won’t come out
knotty sparrow
You'll just have to work it towards the reservoir bit by bit
idle tiger
ya pump weak
languid gale
ya pump weak
Nah that pump weak, my pool pump strong
idle tiger
Time to move somewhere with 3 phase power
languid gale
Lol that actually is the pump I have for my pool, it’s great but way too damn loud
languid gale
@digital wedge I think I killed my 6950
digital wedge
How?
languid gale
No idea
It just won’t display anything
Finally finished the loop, gpu won’t display anything
iGPU works fine
digital wedge
Will it get to bios?
languid gale
Yeah
digital wedge
Try switching bios
Oh, if it displays in bios it may be related to driver
Try booting in safe mode
languid gale
Yeah
strange flume
Finally finished the loop, gpu won’t display anything
Try set pcie to 3.0
languid gale
Try set pcie to 3.0
Still nothing
digital wedge
You used nail polish and kapton tape to cover amd's right?
Mainly asking cause I know you had to run it upside down
And that's when you have highest risk of oozed out liquid metal getting on parts of board
languid gale
Nope
languid gale
Wait, I just realized I had the PCie cables plugged in when I was filling the loop and running the pump
Could it have overheated and died?
strange flume
Did it have even a little water
languid gale
Nope
languid gale
At least for a minute
strange flume
Mmmm, no
Doubt
It's fully seated yea?
Not like, barely in or shifted a lot from the tubing
strange flume
No no, is there a vga post led when you turn it on
The clip can be up but still poorly.seated
I had this exact issue with my vision board
strange flume
Depends
twin ivy
I know my 1070 does
but
I dont remember if the 6700xt did
It let me use it with one cable LMAO
It would crash whenever I put a load on it
digital wedge
Surprised it crashed instead of just trying to pull from that cable til it burnt
Means it has some built on protection more than likely
digital wedge
Kinda cool but would probably suck if under ln2 if it power limits itself per cable
twin ivy
with mpt the highest I could get that card to draw was a lil over 300w
scarlet palm
If only water cooling didnt entail heavy liquids. Gotta use air to reduce weight
twin ivy
Yes
scarlet palm
Besides I got an air-cooled GPU so that ship has sailed
twin ivy
I dont have the money for custom loop
I mean I could but it would be dumb with my hardware
Id rather buy a better card with the money
scarlet palm
Im going to have to cut holes in the pelican case I am using for fans
twin ivy
than water cool a midrange one
languid gale
(His extensions arent plugged in)
First thing I checked lmaoo
languid gale
Yep it is
strange flume
Damn I got nothing
languid gale
My iGPU works fine
languid gale
I’m going to try loostening the cooler
twin ivy
Imagine having an igpu
scarlet palm
And fans inside pushing air up
im sorry pelican
Or a fan in front pulling air in, a fan pushing air under the gpu, and fans pulling air out and up
Idk it would be easier to understand in solidworks
languid gale
Could it be possible that thermal pads are shorting something out?
digital wedge
Could it be possible that thermal pads are shorting something out?
Are they electrically conductive pads?
languid gale
Are they electrically conductive pads?
Shouldn’t be
languid gale
No no, is there a vga post led when you turn it on
There’s a yellow VGA light yeah
scarlet palm
You buy a watertight box to make holes in them so any fluid can enter
Hence why I am adding watertight gaskets from a company that specializes in modifying these
Watertight during transportation and storage is all I need. Water resistance during use.
weary raft
what is the use for this
scarlet palm
I have many multiple uses
twin ivy
Does anyone know if or where I can find replacement mounting hardware for a deepcool ls720
scarlet palm
I want to use it to game. I want it for video editing.
I want it for running simulations. But mostly for gaming. Idea was I wouldn’t have much limitations for whatever I wanted it.
No one makes luggable computer cases anymore
weary raft
i mean, asus tuf cases kinda is.... then they completely ruin it by making it have a tempered glass side panel
are you going to like also mount a display onto the lid
scarlet palm
A display in the lid is a must
I need a control board, a way to have the PSU power that, and an HDMI cable to run internally
weary raft
hmmm
easy method may be to buy one of those like, usb powered displays
and have that run off the 5v rail on a psu
and vhb tape the display onto the lid
scarlet palm
Laptop screen and control board
Probably a small heatsink
Not sure if it would even need that
weary raft
with enough airflow, shouldn't need it tbh
scarlet palm
yeah just space for air to get in
I found someone else’s
What is wrong with the cooling here
weary raft
no there are exhausts, the air goes in through the gpu holes, and goes out the two noctua industrials
airflow path probably is wacky though
knotty sparrow
Those are set as intake though, unless they're reverse flow
weary raft
psu air seems to be going to recirculate
nah it's sticker side
wait the other one is reversed
weary raft
ok so they're using the right fan as an intake, gpu area as nothing, and the one near the psu is exhaust
scarlet palm
I feel like Bernoulli’s principle should have some kind of influence, like having a fan just outside a door to get more air in
weary raft
that doesn't seem optimal
knotty sparrow
nah it's sticker side
Oh I see the wire now, I didn't zoom in enough
weary raft
I feel like Bernoulli’s principle should have some kind of influence, like havin...
it will have some effect, but in your instance, not really
airflow looks like this in my mind
probably some of the heat from the gpu is going to be blown to where the cpu is
knotty sparrow
Ye the GPU even looks tilted, no idea what they were thinking
At least tilt the OTHER way so it gets some intake
weary raft
also with the two top fans so close to each other, they're going to like, recirculate warmed air as well
it probably would have made more sense to make the cpu cooler an updraft by flipping the fan, as well as flipping the "case fan" above it so those are both exhaust, and the gpu gets a nice breeze of fresh air
maybe a few holes above the power supply to give it some fresh air to breath as well
weary raft
also it might be preferable for this to be more similar to like a server rack, have air come in from one side, straight through, and through the other side, that way air will go over every component
provided that you also create proper ducting and such
scarlet palm
I could create ducting
Still waiting on the case to arrive to be able to visualize what I need to work with
From left to right or vice versa or front to back?
weary raft
have the components on hand as well to test out the layout to see if it's practical and/or possible
left to right would probably be idea, could use less fans, and such
scarlet palm
Ideally no cut-outs in the case itself
weary raft
front to back would be more ideal for more heat components, though it may comprimise the structual integrity of the case more
hmmm
scarlet palm
It is less the case integrity and more the logistics of making proper vents
easier to work with a panel
More smaller fans or one big fan
weary raft
in that case..... with a similar method of what they're doing in your example build, still do it from left to right (or vice versa) and have it be ducted. while i guess it would be perfectly fine to suck air from directly up, find some method to direct the exhaust air away from the intake so it minimizes the recirculation of the heated air
larger fans are usually quieter for the same cfm, so i would go for larger
scarlet palm
Yeah, using the top and ducting would let me use a bigger fan
weary raft
since this isn't a blade style chassis, it won't require too much pressure to work, it just needs the air to flow past to replace the heated air with cool air
scarlet palm
Perhaps another fan inside the case?
weary raft
ah, if you go with a passive psu, you would definitely want there to be proper air circulation
knotty sparrow
Just one big ol' 240mm fan and a few exhaust holes will do fine
And a downdraft cooler for the CPU
weary raft
downdraft or updraft depending on location
downdraft if under the intake, updraft if under exhaust
if in the middle, do downdraft
scarlet palm
Not too worried about noise personally, but others would prefer it not be 40dB
weary raft
if in the middle, do downdraft
(my theory is that there is more likelihood of cooler air from the top in the middle)
knotty sparrow
40dB is barely above ambient noise in most indoor rooms
weary raft
should be plenty tbh
scarlet palm
And if it isnt?
scarlet palm
Wouldnt be solved by another fan?
weary raft
it's going to likely be way better than alienware at least (can basically guarentee that but it's a low bar to beat)
it's a pretty big fan
scarlet palm
Im a big fan of that
twin ivy
Does anyone know if or where I can find replacement mounting hardware for a deep...
I ended up emailing them
weary raft
lmao
knotty sparrow
it's going to likely be way better than alienware at least (can basically guaren...
Quieter for sure
900 rpm
scarlet palm
4000dB?
scarlet palm
Phew
marsh badge
Sound apocalypse
scarlet palm
Last computer I knew that sounded like a jet engine was one that ran windows XP
weary raft
a sound argument, to be sure
scarlet palm
it was a Dell
weary raft
fan tech has gotten much quieter in the last few decades
scarlet palm
Even then my dad got a gateway that was silent
weary raft
not to be mistaken by fantec
marsh badge
Cheap case fans can now be silent
scarlet palm
Going to get a noctua cpu fan
Actually have one from a build I found in the trash
Someone threw away 16GB an i7-5600something and a motherboard attached to it
weary raft
didn't even try to sell it for parts?
scarlet palm
Nope
marsh badge
Noctua is great, expensive but great
scarlet palm
It was just those pieces
marsh badge
Don't do the NH-U12 tho
weary raft
damn
marsh badge
It's bleh
weary raft
Don't do the NH-U12 tho
is that the passive one lmao
weary raft
oh it's the hyper212 looking thing
marsh badge
ye
knotty sparrow
Considering dB is logarithmic, sound intensity multiplies. 10 dB higher means 10x more intensity. 20 dB means 100x more intensity. 4000 dB would indeed be enough to crack the planet.
scarlet palm
I cant remmber though
marsh badge
The classic top of air cooling
weary raft
60db+60db=63db 
knotty sparrow
Yep. 50 dB is 10x more intensity than 40dB.
marsh badge
Least I wear headset
And my environment is fairly loud
Already like 40db doing nothing
marsh badge
60
weary raft
oh
twin ivy
mhmm
weary raft
will always be in my heart frfr 
marsh badge
I love deepcool tho
marsh badge
Not as cheap as thermalright but their air coolers look nice
They now have an air cooler with lcd lmao
Placed on top
twin ivy
OHH???
twin ivy
hmm
marsh badge
It's one of that low profile things
scarlet palm
Yeah the fan is underneath
I will probably reuse the whole thing for a server computer
Or idk
knotty sparrow
scarlet palm
Put minecraft on it
Must be it but without the top fan
Issue with the cpu cooler is that it may be too tall
Might return the case I got because it might not be deep enough
1525
Guess I will worry about that when I get there
bright ether
should I do something like this with my liquid freezer II 420 and fractal torrent. Just leave the front fans on https://linustechtips.com/topic/1401030-fractal-torrent-fan-airflow-configuration-with-beefy-liquid-freezer-ii-420-aio/
bright ether
no like keep the rad fans on the rad and also have fans on the front panel of the case
bottom fans im planning on doing 2x180 if It can fit
shrewd juniper
push pull gives like no effect
bright ether
push pull gives like no effect
well the front fans are wider then the rad, so more (colder) airflow for other stuff
shrewd juniper
well the front fans are wider then the rad, so more (colder) airflow for other s...
afaik the p14s are better at static pressure and there has been tests on push/pull and it only improves perf by like 2c ish
so
not worth your time
bright ether
afaik the p14s are better at static pressure and there has been tests on push/pu...
maybe u misunderstand? The 2x180 fans** stay on the case** I put the rad behind those fans
no fans are changing places, instead of removing the fans in the front to make room for the rad, I keep them in and tie down the rad behind the fans with zip ties
shrewd juniper
maybe u misunderstand? The 2x180 fans** stay on the case** I put the rad behind ...
No i understood that it's just basically a waste of fans, what you're describing is push/pull
And the p14s are better afaik so you'll hardly see a difference
weary raft
push pull really only helps if your fans don't provide enough static pressure, but for a rad like that, with p14s. it should be enough
any more would just be redundant
gray ibex
I've had a dumb epiphany, are there pc pipes that can pump out the window?
I can keep my room a lot cooler if that existed
weary raft
I've had a dumb epiphany, are there pc pipes that can pump out the window?
technically, yes
it's all diy of course
even linus did it before
ideally you use a radiator that can handle the elements well though
well, specifically the fan
pc fans don't really like rain
weary raft
i mean, how else is it going to move heat away
also yes, it will definitely keep your room much cooler if you can pump all the heat outside rather than into your room
depending on your rig, you can be looking at anywhere between like 100w-1500w of heat being just trapped in your room, especially if the door is closed
asides from heat escaping from the tubing, as well as the heat from the monitors, the psu, and like, drives, which would normally remain air cooled, all of the heat would be not being stored in your room
dark widget
Assuming that I top mount this, is it better to have fans on the top or bottom of the rad?
marsh badge
It doesn't matter much
sacred wren
I would just make sure they're exhaust, but like foxy said doesn't matter much
marsh badge
^
dark widget
Wdym exhaust? Like if I have the fans on top of the rad, have them push air out of the case? Don’t you want to draw cool air through it?
sacred wren
Yes, and no you don't, since they're at the top
Fans at the front and side of the front if you have them should bring air in
knotty sparrow
The intake air from the front will be cool still by the time it hits the radiator
sacred wren
Side fans at the back, fans at the top, and at the very back of the case should be exhaust for most cases
sacred wren
The intake air from the front will be cool still by the time it hits the radiato...
Really?
Oh wait yeah since it's not going through the cpu before then
marsh badge
ye
sacred wren
Good point
marsh badge
There's no air cooler there to take airflow
sacred wren
Yeah
marsh badge
And put out hot air
dark widget
knotty sparrow
The GPU might blow a little warm air if it's a passthrough cooler but that's a small difference overall
sacred wren
Then yeah they should be intake, ty for the correction fal
dark widget
Coming in the front and exhausting the top and back?
sacred wren
Nah fal corrected me, top should be intake taking in air
knotty sparrow
Then yeah they should be intake, ty for the correction fal
No no I meant the front fans would be intake, and the top would be exhaust
sacred wren
Wait what
knotty sparrow
And by the time the air gets to the radiator at the exhaust it's still cool
dark widget
So just what I said in the video? @knotty sparrow
sacred wren
OHH
dark widget
Or do I want the back to intake as well
marsh badge
Back+top exhaust
sacred wren
Got it
marsh badge
Front intake
sacred wren
Ok yes makes sense, sorry I'm tired lol
knotty sparrow
sacred wren
Wait so if you have a radiator at the front of a case, gpu Temps will be worse than if it's top mounted?
knotty sparrow
Generally speaking that's what you want to do
sacred wren
Yeah thats what I thought, I thought you were saying otherwise with a top mount radiator then
I just misunderstood but I got it now
knotty sparrow
Wait so if you have a radiator at the front of a case, gpu Temps will be worse t...
No it'll be slightly warmer as an exhaust but not enough to affect anything. 2 degrees at worst.
dark widget
And so it doesnt matter if it pushes or pulls air thru the rad?
knotty sparrow
Nope doesn't matter
dark widget
👍🏻
knotty sparrow
If you get down to a technical level, pull might be a little easier to clean. But that's a small thing.
Whichever looks better to you tbh
weary raft
pull would probably look better from the top of the case if you see it and have rgb
though even if it's push, unless it's one of those reversed flow fans, you'll just see the sticker
dark widget
I turn off all my rgb tbh
And this case I got not window
So I dont have to see rgb
weary raft
yeah my build is also basically dark
with the exception of like, an led on my wifi card
strange flume
Wifi lit yo 🔥
weary raft
my wifi card be like
(jk it's just a solid orange light)
is there even such thing as an rgb wifi card 
weary raft
only $53 for rgb?
strange flume
"rgb gaming" 💀💀💀💀
knotty sparrow
Cheaper if you use the coupon
strange flume
Ax210
weary raft
and it's next gen
strange flume
YCUR
strange flume
Arm ycurpc
weary raft
the spaces between the letters are like the same width as the actual spaces
dark widget
I swear im getting more pc fans soon, so making do till then 😆
uneven solstice
I swear im getting more pc fans soon, so making do till then 😆
How come you got such a big case?
dark widget
How come you got such a big case?
Because i was tired of trying to do stuff in the case I had cause it was small asf. My gpu was sitting against my rad lmao
Also this way, I get better airflow than what I had cause more space
knotty sparrow
That can have the opposite effect in some cases
weary raft
while technically more volume of air is being moved, it doesn't mean that volume of air is going where it is needed most ngl
dark widget
while technically more volume of air is being moved, it doesn't mean that volume...
Throw enough fans on there and still will be better than it was at some point 😆
dark widget
I had a p300 eclipse before
uneven solstice
Throw enough fans on there and still will be better than it was at some point 😆
I guess my concern would be you have a whole lot of space in there and even with all the airflow, you might get a lot of turbulence which may end up being worse than your p300
If you have a bigger rad/Mobo/GPU to fill in that space, I'd be less concerned.
dark widget
I guess my concern would be you have a whole lot of space in there and even with...
Im going to be filling up a bunch of the bottom space in the case lol. Have a bunch of hdd racks that will be blocking it off
rotund sable
I swear im getting more pc fans soon, so making do till then 😆
matx in a full tower? 😔
dark widget
matx in a full tower? 😔
Once I get a job again going full atx probs
But for now mini stays
dark widget
@knotty sparrow in this photo, which fan header along the top should I be plugging my clc aio pump into? The cpu_opt, or cpu_fan?
knotty sparrow
I'd put it on CPU_OPT, and the fans for the AIO on CPU_FAN. It wouldn't really matter though, they're tied to the same speed no matter what.
dark widget
Kk, thanks 🙂
Then my case fans when I get all of them can be daisy chained together (getting pst pwm’s), and then split between cha_fan1 and cha_fan2 headers equally?
knotty sparrow
Yep that should work as long as you don't exceed the header's max amperage.
dark widget
Any clue where I could find the amperage reqs for arctic pwm pst’s? Would that be on their users manual?
knotty sparrow
Those are really low power. Even if you have the low power 1A headers you can chain about 9 safely together.
It'll say on the fan.
I checked your mobo manual and it doesn't say the amperage for each header. I'd assume they're 1A to be safe.
bright ether
afaik the p14s are better at static pressure and there has been tests on push/pu...
going back to this, if the fans are already there, would it be best to remove them (I have no other use for them) and put the rad where the fans where, or to just zip tie the rad down behind the fans
shrewd juniper
going back to this, if the fans are already there, would it be best to remove th...
i mean it shouldnt hurt performance in theory, but you could move them to the bottom of the torrent no?
bright ether
i mean it shouldnt hurt performance in theory, but you could move them to the bo...
I could but 2x180 gives better airflow
in terms of raw cfm
shrewd juniper
arent the included ones 180mm?
unless you mean for the rad
better off just saving your money
bright ether
arent the included ones 180mm?
yes, but the bottom ones are 3x140 by default
shrewd juniper
also not sure if they have good static pressure which is what matters in terms or radiator
bright ether
front is 2x180
shrewd juniper
oh i didnt realise it came with bottom fans by default
bright ether
also not sure if they have good static pressure which is what matters in terms o...
but they're not sitting flat agaist the rad, there is a ninches of space. If I would keep it would be fore airflow for other stuff
since there is an inch does pressure still matter much?
shrewd juniper
afaik yes
bright ether
my case is coming tommorow so ill see how fitting looks with the lf II 420
knotty sparrow
What case is it?
knotty sparrow
Ohh right you were the one doing the mod
scarlet palm
Still cant say for certain until I have the mobo
Should be negligible
I could just make that area a vent and have there be standoffs
Or a good low-profile
Prefer something best at cooling
Width is fine
Just need clearance for the screen
Something like this might do
More freedom to move
knotty sparrow
Only if you plan for the fans and/or pump to die in about 1-2 years
scarlet palm
Yeah,
knotty sparrow
I had that one lol, had to swap the fans when they started grinding
scarlet palm
Point being the shape
Getting a low profile cooler would sacrifice more
but it seems a lot of others are too tall
knotty sparrow
Right, yeah an AIO could work
scarlet palm
Its a matter of balance
knotty sparrow
You can always swap the fans to something low profile too, save another 10mm
If needed
scarlet palm
I only need it all to fit in a space of about 5”
5.75” if I really needed it to
I need 1” for the screen
And speakers if I can fit some
I plan on having the screen a bit asymmetric
So I could reserve an 1” area if I really needed it
I have a 22” wide space to work with
knotty sparrow
5 inches should be enough to fit a 240mm AIO, 5"=127mm so a 120mm wide radiator should fit
scarlet palm
Thing is AIO manufacturers i have only known cooler master from friends
5” in height of the case bottom
Width and length there is plenty
Radiator and fans together seem to be 2” in height usually
Corsair is another aio option
Its a a ryzen 9 5900x so I am pretty much using top 10 sites to get an idea of what even exists
Not because I need #1
knotty sparrow
This would be the one to get, it's the best on Ryzen thanks to the offset mounting and thick radiator. https://www.ebay.com/itm/354305873382
scarlet palm
Just saw that
knotty sparrow
RGB would put it at $104 shipped if you want that
scarlet palm
Im not a huge fan of RGB
knotty sparrow
Me neither
scarlet palm
cool if included but not necessary
more interested in LCDs or weird mildly useful displays
“Useless” lcd’s are my jam
knotty sparrow
You can always add your own, that's not hard to do. Just get a raspberry pi screen that's USB powered and connects by hdmi.
scarlet palm
Yeah may do that and put it next to the main screen in the lid
Although it would be nice if there were a way to control it aside from HDMI
limited ports
knotty sparrow
You could always go for a Ryzen 7700 instead of the 5900X. It has similar multi core performance, destroys it in single core, and has an integrated GPU so you can run the display off the motherboard.
knotty sparrow
Less than $300 I hope
scarlet palm
Like $230
knotty sparrow
Not bad then
twin ivy
Oh yeah thats pretty good for unopened
scarlet palm
Could always sell it again
twin ivy
Ehh
knotty sparrow
Unless you really need the extra 2 display outputs I'd say no
scarlet palm
Only need 3 screens really
scarlet palm
Anything extra would probably not even be backlit
a raspberry pi zero for that kind of use
But that is off-topic
scarlet palm
This would be the one to get, it's the best on Ryzen thanks to the offset mounti...
Will be using this
for intake I would need something to direct the airflow. Put some sort of dividers to keep the air away from unnecessary areas
Probably will use the cpu cooler to help with exhaust
perhaps have vent holes nearby
sacred wren
If 41c is under load that is incredible
dark widget
If 41c is under load that is incredible
not under gaming load lmao
just running a bunch of tabs
sacred wren
If that's idle can't really say much, since it's load Temps that matter
dark widget
xD
dark widget
I have to wait until other fans come in for accurate temps
rn im running 4 fans in a full tower
sacred wren
Mesh front I hope?
dark widget
dark widget
Mesh front I hope?
yes
sacred wren
And what aio?
dark widget
g400a?
sacred wren
I've got the 280 on my 13600k, don't see over 60c gaming
dark widget
oh
sacred wren
G400a and g360a are both amazing cases and around $100
P400a non rgb on sale rn iirc
dark widget
I wanted to go full tower, had an eclipse p300 and was always pissed off when I got working in it
cause it was so darn small
sacred wren
The g400a is pretty open to work in
dark widget
just bought the new case, not getting another xd
sacred wren
Yeah its a good case
Just pretty pricey for what it is, but if you're happy that's all that matters
The clc is a decent aio just 240mms aren't great price/perf
Theyre matched by $40 air coolers
dark widget
yeah, didnt get a new aio lol
sacred wren
Ah ok
dark widget
had this one from my p300
sacred wren
That's good then
I got my 280 for $60 off amazon antonline store
Replaced the fans with p14s
dark widget
at some point I want to look at better cpu and full atx mobo, with a good fan-based cpu cooler
but
rn
im unemployed
sacred wren
Running the p360a, basically just a worse version of g360a
sacred wren
im unemployed
Ayy same
Just graduated high school though so gonna look at getting a new job this summer
dark widget
that's the other thing, is I got this case so it has no clear panels
so I don't have to look at rgb
dark widget
Just graduated high school though so gonna look at getting a new job this summer
nice! 😄
sacred wren
at some point I want to look at better cpu and full atx mobo, with a good fan-ba...
I mean, the clc is a good aio, if you already own it id just keep it
dark widget
I just graduated college xd
sacred wren
Congrats!
dark widget
I mean, the clc is a good aio, if you already own it id just keep it
What is the avg lifespan of an aio? like 5-6 yrs?
sacred wren
Something along those lines I believe
dark widget
cause the pump is what will usually go, eh?
in that case I should get about 4 more yrs or so
sacred wren
But id just keep it till it dies personally, it dying won't damage the system unless you mess with it
dark widget
ye
that's kinda what I'm thinking of doing
same with mobo n stuff
saving it till I more or less need to upgrade
dark widget
im more thinking compatibility with new storage media
sacred wren
If you happen to be looking for storage atm, the 4tb ud90 is a gen 4 ssd at $170
dark widget
I currently have 3 gigs of crap stored on my pc
sacred wren
I mean, could either do 1tb boot and 4tb sata either ssd or hdd, or just one 4tb drive
dark widget
need to clean er up at some point
sacred wren
I currently have 3 gigs of crap stored on my pc <:kekw:741678350791081994>
Assuming you mean tb not gb?
dark widget
yeah that xD
dark widget
2.5 of that was just from college lol
😮
I like HDD's cause cheap per storage amount, but SATA SSD's are becoming cheaper
sacred wren
I've got another 3tb of ssd storage sitting on my desk I've nothing to do with, 2 500gb ones i was going to put into laptops for my brother and I that never happened
dark widget
might even just look at getting more of those, cause my current one seemed to be dying a bit
sacred wren
And a 2tb external ssd that I got for $55 on an insane sale but I've pretty much no use for
dark widget
but rn its not been acting up
sacred wren
I'm hoping it'll come in handy for college
sacred wren
might even just look at getting more of those, cause my current one seemed to be...
Imo unless you're on a super budget I wouldn't get a hard drive
Or if you need 8tb+
dark widget
My advice from college - store everything in a separate drive or w/e so you can easily clean up the storage after youre done
sacred wren
Because 2tb ssd is $65 for the a60, 4gb is $170 for tbe ud90
dark widget
Or if you need 8tb+
I have 6tb external
sacred wren
My advice from college - store everything in a separate drive or w/e so you can ...
Good advice
Can get an 8tb hdd for $95 or so
I also had another 1tb ssd on my desk but I put it in my partners build when I was finally able to make it for them
dark widget
all my stuff from school is so intermingled with the rest of my computer (downloaded into important system files, mixed with random non-school stuff, etc...) it's gunna be a nightmare to ever fix it
sacred wren
Got it for $35 after tax when it was a $55 drive
sacred wren
all my stuff from school is so intermingled with the rest of my computer (downlo...
Ah God that's awful
sacred wren
I've got a laptop for school and I hope to keep everything isolated on it
Got it for myself as an early graduation gift
dark widget
yeah, I backed up my pc to my external hard drive, and will at some point be wiping my other drives and reinstalling everything that isn't school stuff
sacred wren
Also I want to say your pfp is adorable
dark widget
Also I want to say your pfp is adorable
you too ❤️
sacred wren
I found a refurbished one on sale on ebay, $440 after tax, 1255u mx550 16gb soldered 1tb ssd, 1200p or 1600p screen I forget. Only downside is 14in
It's touchscreen too which should be nice for school
sacred wren
you too ❤️
Ty
dark widget
I found a refurbished one on sale on ebay, $440 after tax, 1255u mx550 16gb sold...
thats pretty sweet. Does it have HDMI or smthn for monitor hook up?
if u need > 14in screen
sacred wren
thats pretty sweet. Does it have HDMI or smthn for monitor hook up?
I'm not sure, I should check that though