old-cooling

[magic wave]

I'd like to see mention of that happening here when it does

[knotty sparrow]

GN needs to get their fan testing chamber done already

I want real data

[sweet lodge]

p12 co is DBB tho

id rank dbb and mag lev about the same reliability wise, maybe mag lev a bit higher

[magic wave]

Idr what any other bearing types are called

[sweet lodge]

a really rough meh tier list would be smth like
maglev
dbb
actual fdb (im not sure if the patent even exists anymore)
rifle
sleeve

id put hdb in there but everything that isnt maglev/dbb can be called hdb

oh, noctua oil pressure bearings probably just below dbb

[low pumice]

Noctua sso2 better noise but prob a bit worse long term reliability than dbb

[sweet lodge]

sounds about right

[topaz blaze]

u think

if i buy the 011 dynamic right

nvm

is there a place where u can buy mesh panels for 011 dynamic

oh nvm i just lookedit up

[magic wave]

011d already has mesh vents doesn't it

[topaz blaze]

not on the front

but u can buy it

would the 011 dynamic with the mesh panel have better performance than then the air mini or the same

i sound dumb as hell

[magic wave]

The case already comes with front fan mount, just on the motherboard side instead of the front panel

[strange flume]

The evo version you can yes, not the normal version

[sleek goblet]

anyone know how to custom flash an aio?

[magic wave]

An AIO?

[sleek goblet]

yea, ive heard they have a turbo speed for flushing bubbles

[magic wave]

Hmm interesting

[sleek goblet]

might be able to turn the pump up a bit

[shrewd juniper]

if you have bubbles stuck you can just rock your pc side to side

[harsh crow]

wouldn't rocking just the AIO be a lot more effective?

[twin ivy]

its in the pc tho lol

[harsh crow]

yeah but then you shape everything else up...

[magic sparrow]

btw, havent forgotten, just being real lazy.
Is the pump all you have? You doing CPU+GPU loop? If CPU is being done, you willing to do direct die and if so what CPU?

[uneven solstice]

I'd prefer not direct die, but I'm going for a GPU+CPU. 12th gen ATM, but I believe whatever block I get would work on 13th in the future?

Also, pump is all I have ATM.

[magic sparrow]

Direct die does help quite a bit if you're pushing your CPU.

[uneven solstice]

I don't trust myself with delidding yet.

[magic sparrow]

Fair enough ig

[uneven solstice]

Would it be safe to say that if I delidded a 12900k, that if I got a 13900k and delidded, it would use the same block?

Or any 12/13th gen for that matter?

[magic sparrow]

You looking for absolutely best perf, just good value, or combination of value/perf between loop parts?
Also yes, no differences between 12th/13th gen for coolers even if delidded.

[uneven solstice]

Possibly value/perf. I don't need to break the bank. I def know I need 2 360 rads, hopefully can find in white.

I know I don't want those black flexible tubing.

[magic sparrow]

Personally I'd recommend going for value route with nearly full bykski/barrow loop. I simp for them for the great value lol.

[uneven solstice]

And good perf then?

[magic sparrow]

Idk if they have many white rads tho.
As for overall perf of bykski/barrow, pretty good for the normal "I want my liquid cooled OC". CPU blocks are kinda questionable for perf, but I cant really find any tests for the common bykski/barrow block. CPU blocks arent terrible, but idk if they are good.

As for legitimate perf stuff, Intel direct die stuff has three companies that I know of (EK, Supercool, and icemancooler). Rads are HardwareLabs (Corsair and XSPC use HWL rads). GPU block is "random" (Optimus, Heatkiller, EK, Bykski, Barrow), depends on GPU model more or less.

For a great fan controller, AquaCompter. Get a temp probe to the loop, setup the fan controller once, and let it run without software help.

[uneven solstice]

Oh? I was thinking I'd be throwing a fan curve with fan control or something, but this would automatically keep temps where they should be?

[magic sparrow]

Fan Control works quite well, it's what I use. Most ideal is basing off of water temp tho

[strange flume]

The direct die blocks I believe the newer ones are a bit bigger? Cos 13900k has a bigger die

[magic sparrow]

Pretty simple setup for Fan Control

[strange flume]

But otherwise yeah same block would work

[magic sparrow]

There hasnt been any block revisions since 12th

[strange flume]

EK brought out that new one a little while ago

I just chimed in tho so if you're talking about a specific block idk

Sleepy

[magic sparrow]

That's only cuz it's their first LGA1700 block. It isnt really bigger cuz larger 13th gen die, it just is (looks? can be taken off of socket without taking apart block itself? magic????)

[strange flume]

So they're all the right size then? Extra space for larger die?

[magic sparrow]

The actual contact area for all direct die blocks I know of are big enough for 13th gen. Idk when Icemancooler came out but Supercool has been out since 12th and it's large enough.

EK is the only one with a "large" overall block, Icemancooler/Supercool have a "tiny" overall block design.

[strange flume]

Hm ok

[magic sparrow]

It's kinda sorta like monoblock vs normal block, it doesnt really affect CPU cooling potential (apart from monoblock adding VRM heat, but not really my point). Overall block size is different, but it doesnt really change how it works

I dont think Im explaining this properly lol. Hopefully point has come across tho.

[strange flume]

I think I get it

I would've worried about it tho if it wasn't known prior

Whole 4 extra e core tiles on the bottom half 💀

[magic sparrow]

Pfft, it's fine. Who needs to cool those ecores ||/s||

[strange flume]

I wonder if RPL refresh will still keep the same configs

Zen 5 supposedly being pushed forward to this year so intel might push more e cores lmao

[magic sparrow]

When we getting those 192 ecores or whatever it was?

[strange flume]

192 p cores, 512 e cores

That's like, way out in the future, new server chips for like 2025 or something

They cancelled two server chip gens to bring that into play iirc

While SPR will tide them over for a while (kinda but not really)

[magic sparrow]

Hopefully they wont get stuck in the infinite "push back" cycle like they did with 14nm.

[strange flume]

Ikr

10nm++ atm

One more delay and the memes will really get rolling

[uneven solstice]

Yeah I love fan control. Especially when you can mix the graphs.

[latent trench]

Hey my cpu just started overheating literally out of nowhere i never had the problem and it just appear mid usage of my computer idk why. I repasted the thermal paste and all but when I launch my pc the temperature starts normal and keep rising with time

I tried laughing apex to see what would happen under load it went to 100C° instantly and when i closed it it went back to like 70C idle that keep rising with time

I had never touched my cpu since I built the pc 1 and a half year ago and during a game it just started overheating out of nowhere

[magic wave]

What cooler do you have

[latent trench]

Arctic 280mm

[magic wave]

Might want to check if the pump is working

I've never personally dealt with water cooling

But I suppose there's a chance something went wrong with it

[latent trench]

Ye pretty sure it died

[magic wave]

Aw man that sucks :(

Do you have a spare cooler to tide you over until you get a new one?

[latent trench]

Nope :(

[magic wave]

F

Time to get one

Might be able to get it replaced under warranty or something idk

[harsh crow]

sounds like a dead pump.

[latent trench]

But there was still a tude that was noticeable hotter than the other one when I turned it on

[harsh crow]

You might have air bubbles trapped in the pump then.

[latent trench]

Can I get rid of it?

[harsh crow]

Make sure your pump isn't the highest point and try shaking aio

air will always want to find the highest point in an aio.

[strange flume]

That can mean.the pump is working still

Could be paste

[latent trench]

It’s not paste that’s fore sure

[strange flume]

Paste regularly should be changed every year

[latent trench]

It wasn’t

[latent trench]

I changed it already

[strange flume]

Oh I c

So bios isn't reporting a pump speed from the plugged in header?

/hwinfo

[latent trench]

Wdym?

[strange flume]

The aio will report a speed to the pc when it's plugged in

And (presumably) working

Much like a fan would

[latent trench]

I already ordered a new one anyway, but no I didn’t check that

[strange flume]

If it's broken as well you should be able to get it replaced under warranty for free lol

Unless this was B stock you'd have either a 2 or 6 year warranty

[vocal moon]

I heard people talking smack about alien ware, about thermal trodding and temperatures

Idk but I’m scared about my pc thermal trodding

I don’t got alien ware but idk

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/v2FwLs

Will it?

[magic wave]

No

[marsh badge]

it won't have any thermal issues

the gpu price makes me cringe but if you really insist white it's a fee i guess

[vocal moon]

Bro

It’s the only good looking white gpu I can find about that price

[marsh badge]

i wasn't trying to judge it, don't worry

[vocal moon]

Srry to ask but like are you a furry

[harsh crow]

🍿📺

[marsh badge]

well ye, but i don't enjoy associating myself with the furry fandom cuz of the amount of trash people there is in it

[vocal moon]

Do furrys have physical attraction to animals or do they like to dress up as animals?

[marsh badge]

i think we're going off topic, but imma just add more

well it depends, since i'm not very into dressing up in suits. i just adore animals myself, in a way that i find them cute

the.. mentally challenged ones shouldn't be considered as one honestly, they require attention from professionals

and that's all imma say, feel free to do your own research

[vocal moon]

Uhh k

Dude that’s kinda crazy but ok

[fluid lichen]

It really sounds like you're just being judgemental

[magic wave]

Nah they're just a furry in crippling denial

[marsh badge]

lmao

[topaz pebble]

Hi guys,

I want to change my cooler, what kind do you think better air cooler or water cooler?

[sacred wren]

What cpu do you have

It's hard to justify an aio atm for anything but a 7900x3d, 7950x3d or 13900k imo

[topaz pebble]

AMD Ryzen 5 3600

[sacred wren]

Yeah def not an aio. You'd be fine with a $20 214xt

If you want overkill, pa120, pa120 se, ps120, ag620, ak620

[topaz pebble]

Thanks 👍

[uneven solstice]

I find foxes..... Cute. 😉

[knotty sparrow]

Would you say... foxy?

[uneven solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/sly-sneaky-fox-gif-4902784

[knotty sparrow]

But yes absolutely foxes are cute. I'd have one if I lived in an area that allowed it and I had enough room for one. They're wild by nature so they need a lot of room to roam.

[rotund sable]

https://tenor.com/view/the-division-cleaners-fire-gif-16596871

[uneven solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-fireproof-walking-gif-15431653

[rotund sable]

https://tenor.com/view/fmab-fma-roy-mustang-gif-20623522

[knotty sparrow]

No anime in #old-cooling

https://tenor.com/view/doge-bonk-chew-mega-bonk-hitting-gif-26060616

[uneven solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/take-me-lucifer-lucifer-hell-take-me-take-gif-17353217

[magic wave]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[vocal moon]

Bro if I were one of my friends they go crazy bro

[uneven solstice]

Bro

[still bronze]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4vNPPX

Anything I'm missing for a (Soft tubing) Water cooling system? I just thought I'd post it here. (It's going to be a Darth Vader themed build).

[marsh badge]

Those specs run just fine on 1000w

Spending 400 on a psu is overkill

[still bronze]

Oh I see and with OC?

[marsh badge]

Yeah it'll still be plenty

[still bronze]

👌 Thank you 🙂 is there anything else you noticed?

[marsh badge]

I don't see much things that needs fixing

As for the PSU, corsair rm1000x would do the job

Mobo can be cheaper, but I suppose you're going for a certain look here

[still bronze]

Yeah, lol. I want to try and make that Darth Vader look as close as possible. Ok, makes sense! 👍 Thank you

[vocal moon]

Bruh I bought the kraken z73 a few weeks ago and I heard the kraken elite newer and better

[vocal moon]

Link for Nzxt kraken elite

[marsh badge]

extra expensive

[knotty sparrow]

Define "better", it's still a basic Asetek cooler just with more shinies glued on

[strange flume]

Jfc is costs as much as an RX 6700 here

Wtf

Absolute hard pass that is horrible for an aio

[shrewd juniper]

Eewwwww

[strange flume]

Ikr

Way too much when you can just mod an old mobile phone for free

And then use the rest you saved on another monitor

[shrewd juniper]

You can literally buy 7" displays for less than 100$ and have them be usb powered

[strange flume]

Ya that price is just cracked

[shrewd juniper]

Big copium

[strange flume]

Too much for a gen 8 Asetek

[shrewd juniper]

Deepcool needs to save the market

[strange flume]

Deepcool saves the world

[shrewd juniper]

Their lcd one not out yet pepehans

[strange flume]

WE MUSTN'T FALTER, DEEPCOOL BROTHERS

SALVATION WILL COME FOR US ALL

[shrewd juniper]

Yeboiii

[strange flume]

Or gimme dat ek vision

Dat sweet sweet top shelf, zero compromise aio

OMG

OMGOMGOMG

@shrewd juniper

!!!!

https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-nucleus-aio-cr360-dark

NEW BASIC

OMG OMG OMG

[shrewd juniper]

Uwu

[strange flume]

THE RIVAL FOR BEST AIO 2023 IS HERE

[shrewd juniper]

What's new apart from it looking bootyfull?

Is that the lcd one?

[strange flume]

That's the new gen 2 EK aio

It absolutely rocks for performance, better than everyone else

This is gen 2 "basic" EK aio

EK lux is gen 2 RGB

Vision is Gen 2 but with screen

[shrewd juniper]

Ah right

[shrewd juniper]

Any testing yet?

[strange flume]

Yes, Lux rocks (I can't google rn)

[shrewd juniper]

Smh why not

[strange flume]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-starving-gif-26035414

[shrewd juniper]

Eeeee

[harsh crow]

Amen!

[topaz blaze]

when is it time to replace an AIO?

[magic wave]

When it breaks

[topaz blaze]

So it generally doesn't need replacing?

[magic wave]

Yep

[knotty sparrow]

Depends on the model really but in general yeah no need to replace until you notice temps spiking after 5 years of use

[strange flume]

pretty much this, when temps start running away or the AIO has had so much permeation over the years it needs a refill

and normally your warranty will last until then

or at least close

[knotty sparrow]

Or the pump breaks, which again depends on the model

[strange flume]

yea

pump breaking is really the only thing that can't be properly serviced

not without a replacement

[knotty sparrow]

You'll probably need to replace the fans long before anything else on an AIO

[strange flume]

that can be like a $15 fix tho

tbf

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah a couple P12s and call it good

[strange flume]

pretty much

[strange flume]

actually we can't really simp p12's much anymore

thermalright strikes again

look up C12C ARGB

or is it, C12C-S?

you get more for less in a 3 pack and it's argb

better perf

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/newchallengerapproaching-gif-5221376

[strange flume]

thermalright simping inbound

[marsh badge]

i simp for therm alright

[knotty sparrow]

It's not as low power as the P12 so the bearing won't be as efficient, (3.6W vs 1.3W) making me doubt the quiet claim. I'll have to check some reliable testing sources but $14 for a 3 pack is niiiice.

Oh there's a reverse flow model too

[strange flume]

ya

I'm legit tempted

since there's still no black T30

nor white

this is our future pc build fan

@knotty sparrow if you want a review I believe HWcanucks did one

[marsh badge]

thermalright is thermalgood now

[strange flume]

very thorough one too

[marsh badge]

but i can't wait for gn to finish the fan test thing

that way we will have endless possibilities

an actually accurate fan review

[knotty sparrow]

I don't see many decent reviews, not even that canucks one

[strange flume]

hm let me see if I can find it again

[knotty sparrow]

Unbxtech claims it's similar to the Noctua NF-F12 which is good but... not their best by any stretch

Still for that price F12 performance is nice

[strange flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hf33vKtMTM&ab_channel=HardwareCanucks

[knotty sparrow]

Anti vibration pads on the fans and anti vibration mounting screws, sold

[strange flume]

here's the graph you should really care about

orange is the c12c

good, not loud, cheap, good rgb

[knotty sparrow]

I'd place that squarely in the "good enough" category

Slightly louder than the P12 as I expected which does hurt that noise normalized chart

[strange flume]

but barely tho

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah like 2 dB which is barely noticeable

[strange flume]

it also stretches further than a P12

[marsh badge]

the plus is the rgb tbh

better and with rgb? ez sell

[knotty sparrow]

Yes exactly, the price is the real selling point with the RGB

[marsh badge]

rgbw when

all rgb fans has weird white

bluish or yellowish only

[knotty sparrow]

White is notoriously hard to color match

[strange flume]

Rgbw is standard on argb

It's just not great

[marsh badge]

ah ok

[strange flume]

Strips used rgbw lights unless it's the older school rgb only

Newer strips use rgbww

For like, real white

It's true tho white sucks and sucks often

[marsh badge]

dang

rgbww

double the white

[strange flume]

Ya for real white

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

Turning on PC on top of desk with 12 rgbww fans be like

[marsh badge]

[strange flume]

Well typically it won't be stupid bright lol

Two WW LED's vs three R G B

Or one bright W

You're still wattage/current limited

There's just less colour variation

[knotty sparrow]

Hence, 12 fans

[topaz blaze]

its a Corsair H115i, friend asked me about it cause his temps have been spiking on his 4 yr old machine, I was suspecting the AIO could be the culprit

could just need a repaste but I thought TP usually lasts longer than that? 🤔

[strange flume]

no

change thermal paste once a year

it can last a couple years, the really expensive stuff can last more than a few

beyond that you get performance regression

[topaz blaze]

I see, I didn't know that, means I need to repaste my own machine too then 😅, thanks

bros cooler isn't even making even contact with the die so thats probably also messing up his temps 💀

[strange flume]

you'll find for really old or dry paste it'll just wipe off almost like powder

definitely so with iso alcohol

[topaz blaze]

yeah I've had that occur before on really old machines

[autumn iris]

So I bought a new liquid cooler and am in the process of putting in the new one and would it be okay to leave the old mounting hardware if it fits onto it or should I replace it? I'm having difficulty removing it

[autumn iris]

so i ended up using the same mounting hardware and now im still having cooling issues but if i remove the top of the cooler the temperature goes down 30 degrees??

[marsh badge]

You should use the mounting brackets that comes with the cooler

Don't try to use the old mounting brackets

[autumn iris]

i did because i cannot figure out how to remove the old ones... im going to break something if i remove the old one

thats the mounting hardware

the o-ring like stuff i cant figure out how to remove

[autumn iris]

Also remind me to not get an msi cooler again...

[knotty sparrow]

We would have told you that immediately lol, they're having issues with clogging. There's an active recall.

[autumn iris]

Yeah I was told that a while ago but didn't want to deal with the possibility again so I bought a different cooler which uses a different mount

[knotty sparrow]

Do those pegs not just twist off? Might take a bit of force

[autumn iris]

Nope

It was hurting my finger to even try

I found out my dad might have a bit that would work for it but I won't be able to get that till tomorrow

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah they're threaded

[autumn iris]

Yeah

I didn't even install the cooler initially I took it to microcenter to install it

The MSI one

[knotty sparrow]

Well hopefully they used the right ones

I'd just grab some pliers tbh

[autumn iris]

I tried that too didn't work too great

I'm using this now
https://www.newegg.com/deepcool-liquid-cooling-system-lt520/p/N82E16835856233?Item=N82E16835856233&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-35-856-233-_-04262023

Which for some reason just removing the mirror part gets me another 30 degrees but that doesn't last when I try playing a game

[knotty sparrow]

That sounds like mounting pressure to me

[autumn iris]

Yeah

I need to get the old bracket off

I've realized when putting on the top piece there's definitely some space not being covered due to the old bracket

[strange flume]

@autumn iris if you're still there, needle nose pliers and be VERY CAREFUL NOT TO SCRATCH OR DAMAGE THE MOBO, you can very carefully turn those screws

I have had the same issue on quite a few standoffs before. My worst experience was EK

But once I knew how to fix it I've found it's basically been no trouble

[autumn iris]

Alright thanks!

[strange flume]

@autumn iris please don't hesitate to ping if instructions were unclear at all

Don't want the next message to be "I broke my motherboard!!" 💀

[autumn iris]

Yeah

These were the best I could find for now till tomorrow but they don't rotate either

[strange flume]

Multi tool works

It just needs a good grip

[autumn iris]

I've gotten a good grip and tried turning both to the left and right and hasn't helped...

[strange flume]

Jesus

Ok

Contact msi support

Like, fr

💀

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

If you can't get them off after even a multi-tool, you're gonna get them to help you in case the mobo breaks

Until that bugger is loose

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

Jfc even a multi tool couldn't do it

That must be frozen

[autumn iris]

Actually am I grabbing onto the screw part or the circular piece?

[strange flume]

Circular piece

[autumn iris]

Alright

That won't rotate but I can feel the screw does

[strange flume]

?

It's loose now?

[autumn iris]

If I grab onto the screw the screw rotates but the circular piece doesn't

[strange flume]

Hm

Do you have wd40 around at all

The screw sounds frozen

[autumn iris]

Not currently but my dad has some at his house and I doubt it's frozen the cpu was overheating due to the mount

[strange flume]

Oh I meant the standoffs

The circular bits

[autumn iris]

Would they feel cold?

[strange flume]

Oh no haha

Frozen can also mean just stuck

[autumn iris]

Ah

[strange flume]

When you talk about screws and stuff

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

My thought is

On the other side of the mobo

You have a backplate these 4 screws go into, the standoffs

Carefully spray wd-40 onto them at the back where they screw in

Use a paper towel to make sure the aim is more precise

Wait 10 minutes

Then try the multi-tool again after it's hopefully gotten into the threading

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

They should be looser

Once they're out make sure all traces of wd-40 are cleaned up

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

Then you should be good to put the new cooler on

Just be careful where you spray it tho, it's not really conductive but it's messy af

[autumn iris]

Alright

[strange flume]

That really sucks tbh, it sounds like the same problem I had with the EK aio but it's stuck on the board instead of the aio itself

Just totally frozen until I could really persuade it with tools 💀

[autumn iris]

Yeah... that was the first time I've had a AIO

[strange flume]

Just a poor standoff design

Presuming you hand screwed in those things, adding and screwing in the cooler on top must've tightened it even further

[autumn iris]

Yeah...

I was looking at the design of the new cooler bracket and it looks a lot better

[strange flume]

Deepcool is goated

LT520 looks hella nice

[autumn iris]

Yeah

[strange flume]

Better than any screen imo

[autumn iris]

It looks cool I haven't really gotten to mess with it

[strange flume]

You may need to tidy up the paste once you've fixed this

[autumn iris]

Yeah I got some more

[strange flume]

Sweet

[autumn iris]

I wish there was something I could do now to fix this... its 3am

It took me about 5 hours to install this due to bad cable management

[strange flume]

Yeah, but cables would look good now right?

[autumn iris]

Yeah

[strange flume]

Worth it

💀

[shrewd juniper]

Noooo shove all the cables in the psu shroud

[autumn iris]

Still stuck

Trying to talk to dad if he has WD-40 now since I didn't check earlier

I want to take it to see if someone could help me but idk where else to take it other than microcenter

[marsh badge]

wd-40 is a bad idea unfortunately

[autumn iris]

They were saying I should try

Next option I could even think of is just buy a new motherboard

[topaz pebble]

Hi guys,

I want to change my cooler, what type of cooler is the best?

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600

[marsh badge]

Just an se-214xt is fine

It's a 3600, it doesn't put out a lot of heat

[topaz pebble]

I used cooler that comes with CPU when I play Minecraft the heat go to 88

I just clean it from dust.

[marsh badge]

Yeah, a cheap tower cooler I mentioned is plenty for such a cpu

It's better than stock cooler

[topaz pebble]

Thanks

[sacred wren]

214xt would do fine, if you want super overkill pa120se or ps120 se

[autumn iris]

i broke the backplate and now theres a single screw stuck...

[knotty sparrow]

Screw extractor?

Just be careful with the metal shavings, it needs to be completely cleaned after to be safest

[autumn iris]

i could get one

[steel forge]

Was wondering if I should go AIO or air cooling for a 13600K?

[magic wave]

Do whatever you want

[knotty sparrow]

Save money and get air unless you'll be overclocking

[magic wave]

Then just get a bigger air cooler

[rotund sable]

water >

If you're buying an unlocked chip I'd encourage you to overclock at least a bit 🙂

[shrewd juniper]

Water isn't very compelling for a 13600k when thermalright literally have a 7 heatpipe cooler for 50$ and good 6 pipes for like 35$

[rotund sable]

Sure 🤓🤓🤓🤓

[frank plover]

i just wanna ask if the Noctua NH-U12A is Good for the Intel Core i9 10900K for some OC

and i mean like 5.1GHz on all cores with reasonable voltages

[languid gale]

How does the CLC 360 w/ P12s compare to the deepcool LT720 for a 13900k?

[sacred wren]

If you haven't bought either of these yet, don't

[sacred wren]

I'd imagine within 5c

But don't quote me on that

[languid gale]

Ahh okay

$20 CLC360 goes hard lmao

[sacred wren]

Yeah for that price there's no reason to get anything else

I'd buy that even if it were going on an i3 or low power i5 lol

[frank plover]

That's like 2y too late 😔

Initially planned about last quarter 2020

The pc with GPU upgrade is not that far away from 3K Euro

[sacred wren]

Ah ok

The u12a is fine on it, but if you don't own that yet it's normally overpriced

The ag620, ps120 se, pa120 se (non se versions too) and a few other air coolers beat it at similar pricing or cheaper

[frank plover]

Ok, that is as accurate as possible I know of my current configuration: ```
Mainboard: ─ ASUS TUF GAMING Z490-PLUS (WI-FI) (Nuvoton NCT6798D)

PSU: ─ Be Quiet Straight Power 11 Power Supply, Black 1000W 80 Plus Gold

CPU: ─ Intel Core i9 10900K @3.7GHz Base Frequency
CPU Cooler: ─ Noctua nh-u12a

RAM: ┬1. 16GB DDR4 @3000MHz
└2. 16GB DDR4 @3000MHz

GPU: ┬1. Intel UHD Graphics 630
└3. Nvidia GeForce RTX 3070 TI TUF Gaming from Asus

System drive: Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 (S4EWNM0NC25426B)

Internal HDD: ┬Western Digital 1TB SATA 3.5 Hard Drive
└Seagate Pipeline HD.2 Series SATA 3.5 Hard Drive 250GB

External storage that should be actually in case:┬ Drevo X1 Sata 3 60GB
├ Toshiba THNSNH128GBST SSD 2.5 128GB
├ Tobisha External USB 3.0 Device 1TB
└ WD Elements 25A2 USB Device 2TB

case: ─ be Quiet! Dark Base 700 Window Highend PC Case LED Lighting BGW23

I'm gonna soon Update the ram part where I'm gonna get some more ram because I can easily run out of ram

[sacred wren]

Looks great

32gb of ram should be fine, what do you use your oc for?

[languid gale]

It’ll be fine for a 13900k right?

[sacred wren]

For sure

[frank plover]

I'd Wildly varies, if i just game, it is actually enough, but if I launch MeshroomCL and do a Photoscan model, i can run out of ram

Even fluid simulation on modern blender

[sacred wren]

Ah ok

If you plan to upgrade cpu and ram, id probably go for ddr5

[frank plover]

I need then a new CPU, motherboard and RAM then... 😳

I was just planning on more ram...

[sacred wren]

You don't need a new cpu at all, if it does what you need it to

More ddr4 is dirt cheap

[frank plover]

It does the job.

[sacred wren]

2x16gb kit is $50 right now

[frank plover]

I have 2x16 already...

[sacred wren]

Ah, do you only have 2 ram slots?

[frank plover]

I have 2 out of 4 populated

[sacred wren]

Still not a problem, decent ddr4 2x32gb kits go for $100-110 often

Ah ok, yeah can just add 2x16 more as long as the dies match, meaning the manufacturer of the ram die itself is the same

[frank plover]

I can try look for ram for 100 to 110 Euro

[sacred wren]

Ah what country?

I was assuming US, my bad

[frank plover]

I'm in Germany

[sacred wren]

Kk, and do you know the what the kit of ram you have is?

Like what brand and model it is

Picture of it would work too

[frank plover]

Sk hynix hyperx fury

[sacred wren]

Kk few min

[frank plover]

I forgot I was replying to myself

[sacred wren]

You're good

So I'm assuming the die is hynix, considering the kit name

I'm gonna have someone else find the exact kit though, since I don't know how to tell which die is which for ddr4 kits

@viral fjord if you're around?

[frank plover]

That's the best I can provide rn

[sacred wren]

Also the option of just replace the ram and selling current ram https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/kmBhP6/gskill-ripjaws-v-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-64gvk

And yeah, definitely hynix die on your current kit

[frank plover]

Yeah, it's late on my side rn, the time on my side is 0:45 and I have school tomorrow

[sacred wren]

Kk, understandable

Have a good night! Feel free to dm me or ping me later on

[frank plover]

So, thanks for helping me 😎👍

Ok

[viral fjord]

why is this in #old-cooling

[viral fjord]

unknown whether it's CJR or DJR or AFR or MFR or AJR or whatever though

anyways, better buy a new kit and sell the old one imo

I don't like mixing kits

3600 18-22-22 could be a lot of things

even when narrowed down to hynix

[sacred wren]

Ah alright

[oblique quest]

I guess each fan has a speed limit? I plugged one of my 200 mm's directly into my mobo. It was good to finally see RPM displayed in BIOS and in FanControl, but when I cranked it to 100 it only went up to 770 RPM. I thought it was the hub that was the problem (tho it doesn't show RPM even tho those fans are running)

[knotty sparrow]

Larger fans spin at a lower RPM

[oblique quest]

aww

[dreamy locust]

Is there any way I can control my cpu fan speed using hwinfo whenever my system starts up?
I've got a dell optiplex 3050, other fan control programs just don't detect it. The fan can be set to 3 speeds, 800, 1600 or 3300. I just want it to run 1600 all the time as soon as I start up my pc

[marsh badge]

nah, you can't do that

that stuff is only doable in bios

[dreamy locust]

Nope
The 3050 doesn't have a fan control section in the bios

I've tried speedfan and FanControl in windows bu both are unable to detect my cpu fan, hwinfo does.

[sweet lodge]

snip and trimpot it

[dreamy locust]

Or I put an external switch with one setting running it 800 and the other one 1600 🧠

[twin ivy]

Me when potentiometer

[sacred pagoda]

https://youtu.be/1YFR20MmvpM?t=452

Thought this (timestamped) result was quite interesting

tldw the Peerless Assassin has offset towers which combined with a blow-through GPU cooler can effect temps

(can flip the cooler to negate the effect though)

[shrewd juniper]

Pa120 is a champ

[magic wave]

I want to get an idea of what cooler I'd want to get but I won't need it at this point

I wanted to get a be quiet one I forget what it's called

some 92mm or soemhting

[shrewd juniper]

The offset on the pa120 is interesting 🤔

[shrewd juniper]

I wouldn't exactly call 92mm quiet

Smaller the fan louder it is

[magic wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idk if a 120 would fit in my case

ig it probably would but there was a reason I was looking for somehting smaller

might've been just wrong about clearances

[shrewd juniper]

Ah makes sense

HAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAHAHA kraken literally a vetroo v5 if you don't install nzxt cam wtf

[magic wave]

okay yeah I think I was just stupid

how tf would the 120mm rear fan fit if a 120mm fan doesn't

[shrewd juniper]

Disappointed on the aio choice they gave :/

[shrewd juniper]

What case is it?

[magic wave]

H18TG

clearance says 155mm

maybe I was thinking about the 92mm for my Lenovo

[shrewd juniper]

I believe the se 214xt by id cooling is like 145mm so should fit, just doubt check

[magic wave]

says 150 in pcpp

should be fine

I like the price of DDR3 these days

Is there any good places to buy an i7-4790 or K lol

[shrewd juniper]

eBay? What do you have in it atm?

[magic wave]

4460

[shrewd juniper]

Probably not really worth the upgrade

[knotty sparrow]

For about the price of a 4790k on ebay you can get a cpu/mobo combo with a ryzen chip

The 3100 destroys the 4790k

[magic wave]

I'm not seeing that

Granted it's only like 50 more for a 3100+board+8GB RAM

[twin ivy]

I have a 4670k I don't need 💀

[magic wave]

😳

[twin ivy]

It's still only 4 cores and 4 threads lol

But clocked higher

[oblique quest]

Does 800 +/- 250 RPM mean it can be as low as 550 and as high as 1050?

[marsh badge]

What are you reading the specs of?

That high variance sounds unusual

[oblique quest]

Phanteks PH-F200SP_BK 200 mm Case Fan

Idk how to copy links, I'm not at my computer rn

[marsh badge]

It probably means range of supported speed

[strange flume]

Yes

It's because of a number of factors, manufacturing differences and tolerances, case environment, humidity, airflow restrictions of resistance etc

Basically it's a brands way of saying "About this fast" without lying

I'm assuming this is the implied maximum speed though

[shrewd juniper]

The future of gaming is here
https://youtu.be/8HvFPApBi3A

[knotty sparrow]

Foxy is correct, normally it's a max of 15% variance but this is over 30%

[oblique quest]

We went from fridges to the AIO display wow. Still gaming on something designed to cool something down

[steel forge]

Is it ok to use old style manual fan speed controllers for chassis fans or should I just get PWM fans connected to the mobo? Can you even buy non-pwm (3-pin) fans anymore?

[magic sparrow]

PWM is more efficient (which is meh when ur talking about a peak fan wattage of 2w usually). The more "important" changes would be min start wattage (speed) and min sustained speed. It's usually pretty fine. My radiator fans (which are my only case fans) are in DC controlled instead of PWM controlled.

[steel forge]

I see, will probably just play it safe and grab some chromax fans. The fans that came with this ancient case are from "Antec" which I've never heard of before

Also use quite the impressive Molex daisy chain.

[knotty sparrow]

Antec is a legit brand, medium size

Mediocre products in general but there's some good ones

[magic sparrow]

I'm using some random Chinese fans that are probably from a random OEM (Bykski is the reseller brand, custom loop company). It's not very often you have to switch fans cuz they are sketchy. Just switch if they are too loud/not powerful enough. Also as said above, Antec is a fairly established company.

[vocal moon]

So do I just use the daisy chain

And choose any of this two pwn and fan header

[marsh badge]

yes

[frank plover]

two? i see 6 cables

[vocal moon]

Ok so like

Half of the. Are daisy chained

So leave those out

And so do I pick any of those pwn and argb cables

[frank plover]

oh, ok

[vocal moon]

Can someone help me with daisy chaining this

I

[harsh crow]

The pain I know it all to well.

[oblique quest]

Is it my motherboard or fan controller that's keeping me from controlling the speeds of my fans? I started looking at fan controllers and some of the reviews say there's no fan speed control (or RPM display).

[low pumice]

Likely because different methods of control, pwm vs dc, you won't be able to control dc fans with pwm

Pwm fans can be controlled by dc but the control is not very fine

[oblique quest]

Hmm I switched it to pwm in the BIOS. But with fan control it's hard to tell if the speeds are indeed ramping up or slowing down. Especially when it doesn't show RPM

[low pumice]

Bios fan control usually lets you set a curve, if you really wanted to, you can set a flat line at say 20% and then test like 80% and you should be able to tell that there's a difference

Fan control through software depends on the software

[knotty sparrow]

If the fan controller is 3 pin, it needs DC mode. If it's 4, PWM mode. 4 pin controllers also need 4 pin fans to control the speed. 3 pin fans on a 4 pin controller will just run full speed.

[shrewd juniper]

New d15 has been delayed again 💀

[knotty sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/segundo-sol-novela-remy-vladimir-brichta-chocado-gif-12304506

[supple harbor]

anyone familiar with p14 slim fans? supposedly they had an issue with em but idk if they fixed it recently or not

[magic wave]

Idk

I just use the regular P14

[shrewd juniper]

Haven't heard any problems with the slim fans personally, I don't have them tho

[supple harbor]

gotcha, doing a rebuild once my case comes in and i plan on redoing the cooling stuff

undecided on cooler rn

[low pumice]

Noctua r&d being disappointing :(

Desk fan gone from roadmap

[shrewd juniper]

Sadge

Yeah especially with thermalright absolutely smashing it's way into the market

[lost rampart]

I really want these Lian Li Infinity triple pack, but I have I got a Corsair h150i Capellix (with commandor pro controller), not sure if they'll be able to sync together
My mobo is the PG Riptide 790 and has 3 Addressable LED Headers, and 1 RGB LED Header, would connecting each controller from lian li and corsair aio be enough? or would I need to follow one of them youtube videos that has them do this whole process?

[harsh crow]

Should I look into some better cooling for my G.Skill Ripjaws DDR4 ram? I am pushing 1.55v through it sk I was curious if I should.

[twin ivy]

Just have a fan blowing on them if they get too warm

[harsh crow]

Any nicer options?

[twin ivy]

You could find a ram cooler

💀

[harsh crow]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Corsair-CMYAF-componente-enfriador-computadora/dp/B00GU9UG9A/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?crid=XEU0RIDRDVNF&keywords=ram+cooler&qid=1684440852&sprefix=ram+cooler%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-5

Think this will work?

[twin ivy]

I dont know for certain but I wouldn't spend that much anyway

[rotund sable]

902 dollars

thats not a bad deal

[rotund sable]

I have one of their ram fans in my PC actually lol

just for the aesthetic tbh

[twin ivy]

This one looks much better haha

[rotund sable]

yea

I wish I never sold my blue dominators

[harsh crow]

30 USD.

[harsh crow]

What's the name of this? It looks really cool.

[rotund sable]

oh i didnt notice it wasnt amazon US, my bad

either way, what memory did you wanna pair a cooler with?

[rotund sable]

that's corsair's ddr3 dominator ram cooler, there's a black version which is the one i have, blue and red

[harsh crow]

DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws

[rotund sable]

i assume those are just 8GB sticks or something? the S8D you were overclocking? 1.45V iirc?

you wouldnt see a notable benefit from using a ram cooler for those, unless you just want them for the look like i did lol

[knotty sparrow]

They're 16Gb actually

[harsh crow]

Mostly want them for the looks lmao.

They look dope.

[rotund sable]

facts

if i were you i'd look for a color neutral one

[harsh crow]

What do you mean by color neutral?

Gray?

[rotund sable]

yea, like grey or black

red isnt gonna match with much else besides black, and red of course lol

[harsh crow]

True.

[rotund sable]

just search ebay for corsair dominator ram cooler/corsair ram fan, etc.

[harsh crow]

Will they work with my ram? Also does DDR3 have a different cooler size compared to 4?

[rotund sable]

these hook onto the slot clips. you dont need to worry about compatibility

unless all your dimm slot clips are broken off or something lol

[harsh crow]

Good to know.

This is cool.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/394521802342?hash=item5bdb54f666:g:kyIAAOSwAg1h1nBW&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4PPVJhNDkyfUEJIfibOBWuirVJMt%2Fi1lk0bHE6rqxdhr%2Bdcmb70ZGwzhkKSyRKFVxJAzLICOjsIbJ%2FL1QiJnJM6jpUPqYijZEkg0uLPHPhAmZez1txmvTCQ9bgb2lq7Dbd9Ud%2FlboA0NJM%2BuUtYQMczDiNzK85xLC6SXYV%2B2POwI2geXB%2BkJtf79OXfJjAKiytBevx5h609hNgJTndnCzDXUnKrAudtA7sDFZMtt7qlVaRkf%2Bn2FQhgfuMhG85z9%2FoVXEgrBCz8i2k5h%2FSNwaWcQXS7kiTdLvej%2BOHNWFWqu|tkp%3ABFBM9Om1jIZi

Also looks like I can replace the fans on them if I want to.

[rotund sable]

shorten the links

oh are you in the US

[harsh crow]

I am in MX.

[topaz blaze]

hello

[viscid vapor]

I got the following back in January, and shockingly, Amazon is actually refunding me for it today.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B09Z5ZNJNP?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

[viscid vapor]

Was beta testing another Terraria clone today, using my Steam Deck, and that external enclosure with a SK Hynix P41 NVME 2TB when my game after about 5 hours locked up, and got the most strangest of errors, black screen, red writing, a Linux error? The game hung for a bit before closing. I'm not familiar with Linux, and just getting used to the Steam Deck OS, and the error message vanished when game closed, so didn't even get a screenshot, so I could magnify the small text to see what the error was, but then again, didn't need to. When I clicked the game icon, it did nothing. Tried steam to open games install folder, and that just hung. So opened dolphin file manager, (Think that's what it's called) and saw the external drive wasn't in list. Not even a mount/dismount option. It just wasn't there. So went to check cable and saw the case light off, go to pick it up, and boy was it hot!

I have a lot of NVME, and they all run luke warm to pretty warm. Never hot like this.

Not sure if the games graphics played any part, and it's working fine in different enclosure, so hoping it disconnecting like it did was a SK Hynix P41 feature?

Anyways, the enclosure is supposed to have a lighted fan.

From outside it looks like it's running, but take the shell off, and saw fan wasn't moving at all.

Turned it over, and saw where the fan is supposed to mount, but no solder, just plastic like a tiny pinwheel.

No motor.

Opened up another enclosure, as I got a few, and that one had a motor.

Out of 8 enclosures, 3 were pinwheeled onto the PCB. Anyways, spoke to Amazon, who immediately emailed me a tag to send it back, four months later.

Expected anything, too late, I should have looked earlier, your past 30 days. Didn't expect them to do a tag.

Anyways, posted the link above to the enclosure, in case anyone else got this brand, and if so, might want to check to see if a fan with motor exist.

[supple harbor]

is there any info on new 280aios releasing?

everything seems to be 240 or 360

[bright ether]

4g thermal paste is enough right? For CPU + 2 nvme

[marsh badge]

Way more than enough

Why thermal paste on ssd though

Doesn't they use thermal pad?

[harsh crow]

I wasn't even aware that thermal paste would work on SSD.

[harsh crow]

Unless your doing water cooled SSDs.....?

[bright ether]

ohh i didnt know that they used pads go it

if the cooler is too big I might need to remove it. It has fan

[harsh crow]

Usually better to use thermal pads for SSDs due to the cover on them.

Unless your doing liquid cooled SSDs which is really only for if your SSD is in 24/7 use or aesthetics.

[bright ether]

im am not liquid cooling. got it cheers

[harsh crow]

Okay good.

[bright ether]

if my intake fans have a mesh in front of them, should I care about pressure here?

same goes for exhast. If there is a large-hole mesh behind it, do I need pressure?

[harsh crow]

Honestly shouldn't be a big concern. Only a concern if you had a really thick rad that you had to push or pull air through.

[bright ether]

nah im a top mount boy thx

[harsh crow]

Yeah just something like a p12 should work fine.

Or P14 if you got the space.

[bright ether]

T30??????

also the silent wings pro look good but boy $$$$$$

actually is it bad to bottom radiator as exhast?

cause im going with a fractal Torrent which does not support top mounting

cause i dont want hot air blowing on my gpu

I think i will front mount my rad

[harsh crow]

I take, exhaust is bad cause the hot air will try to rise.

[bright ether]

yeah, i decided to go front mount

[harsh crow]

The Fractal Torrent is a positive airflow case.

[bright ether]

slap the 180mm fans that come with the case on the bottom as intake

[harsh crow]

Bottom mazes at 140mm

Fyi you might wanna consider getting fan extensions if you go with the torrent and p12/p14

[harsh crow]

Seriously? The bottom fits 180mm huh.

[bright ether]

yeah

[harsh crow]

I own the Fractal Torrent but it didn't look like I could get it to fit.

I wonder if I should do that as well though it'd mean 3 less ARGB fans.

[bright ether]

what do I do for an exhast fan. Since I only need to buy one I can spend good on this one.
Phantek T30 120mm
SILENT WINGS PRO 4 140mm

[harsh crow]

Honestly not needed. Just reuse one of the bottom 140mm fans from the cae.

[bright ether]

the 140 does push more air but is louder

[harsh crow]

Case*

[harsh crow]

140mm fans can push the same amount of air as a 120mm but quieter.

My current setup.

140mm FC2 exhaust, 3xP14 bottom, 6xP12 front in push/pull.

[bright ether]

but the T30s are different. They can actually push more air at quieter levels than some 140

[harsh crow]

Your not gonna notice any difference in performance.

It will be within the margin of error.

[bright ether]

will I in noise?

[harsh crow]

Barely. The P14 and FC2 from the case are silent as death

[bright ether]

I guess with the exteme amount of intake I have it wont really affect temps

[harsh crow]

You'd only hear the fans once they ramp up around 80%

[bright ether]

ok ill go with the 140mm one. More air and it's one fan

[harsh crow]

From the case right?

[bright ether]

no. Im gonna buy a silent wings pro 4.

its like $30 bucks but since I only need the one fan I'll go for it

[harsh crow]

For the RGB?

If that's the case I understand. Just don't expect a perf difference.

[bright ether]

it doesnt have RGB

[harsh crow]

Oh, I am thinking of a different fan then.

[bright ether]

its the new one

https://www.bequiet.com/en/casefans/3706

[harsh crow]

You'd be spending money for no benefit then.....

[bright ether]

quiet

that is to my computer, not to u

[harsh crow]

Not unless all your fans are the same.

Just a fyi.

Because your other fans of they're louder then those are gonna overwhelm the quiet of those. At the end of the day it's up to you just wanna make sure you understand.

[bright ether]

Ok cool I appreciate your help. It's 30 bucks for slightly lower temps. I am okay with that

[topaz blaze]

is 120mm the standard fan size for most cpu cooler fans?

i was thinking about just getting an AG400 and adding an extra fan to cool 13400f

[shrewd juniper]

That uses 120mm yea but honestly no point, also depending on country there's better priced choices

[topaz blaze]

got any idea what this is? #electronics

[slender anvil]

Yo is 64°C or 147°F high for my CPU package?

[twin ivy]

no

Under 90c is fine depending on the cpu

Computers run alot warmer than some may think

[slender anvil]

Ok good.

And thank you.

[twin ivy]

ofc

[rotund sable]

Yea mine runs at 100C 24/7

[twin ivy]

love that

[sacred wren]

Mine walks at 34c 24/7

[rotund sable]

Bro that's WILD

[formal fractal]

would the amount air flow obstructed by a pcie wifi card be negligible?

To clarify further, the available slot will be below my gpu.

[marsh badge]

Not really, no

[shrewd juniper]

Depends on the exact card like if your card is like 2.1 slots and the next available slot is the next one down it's ntb but if it's more than .5 I'd say it'd make an impact, how noticeable idk

[carmine gust]

This guy said this aio didn't fit in his case u think that's fake n Sumthin is definitely wrong with it

Majority of it is still in plastic

[knotty sparrow]

The liquid freezer II is thicker than a normal AIO so it's no surprise that it wouldn't fit in some cases without people realizing. The 420 in particular is also longer than other 420s, so even cases advertising 420mm support like the Torrent can't fit it without modifications.

[carmine gust]

So is it a steal

Or naw not worth it

[knotty sparrow]

It's a little bit better deal than when the 420mm goes on b-stock at least

I bought mine for $95 from arctic

[carmine gust]

I have a thermaltake view 51 full tower

It'll definitely fit in my case

Oh so he's up selling it

I'll wait it out then

[knotty sparrow]

That was a seriously low sale actually when I bought it because it was mid-recall

[carmine gust]

Ok ill hold off

[knotty sparrow]

It's $150 right now from the same listing

It probably won't get that low again

[carmine gust]

Ok 👍🏽

[knotty sparrow]

It does not fit in that case. TT says max 360mm.

[carmine gust]

This 1

[knotty sparrow]

Right https://www.thermaltake.com/view-51-tempered-glass-argb-edition.html#additional

[carmine gust]

Dam well good thing I never bought it

That's a mighty aio

[knotty sparrow]

It seriously doesn't even fit my Torrent

It's massive

[carmine gust]

I guess I gotta get it in my TT core p8

😆

Dam

[knotty sparrow]

https://hwbot.org/image/2846717.jpg

I had to mount it outside the case

And this is the case that makes a 4090 look small

[carmine gust]

Das crazy

But how's the performance does it do its job in cooling

[knotty sparrow]

Oh definitely

My 5800X finally doesn't thermal throttle

[carmine gust]

Das good then

[strange flume]

clean ur case reeeeee

[knotty sparrow]

Old pic

[carmine gust]

Im jus mind blown it doesn't fit my case as well

[magic wave]

The one fan oriented with the lines going vertically

[knotty sparrow]

If you're talking about the ram fan it just hangs around.
If you're talking about the AIO tubes being up it doesn't reach going down, the case is too big. Plus I physically can't mount it that way.

[magic wave]

Na top front, I didn't even notice the ram fan lol

[harsh crow]

Is it bad to leave my fans on max speed?

[shrewd juniper]

they'll just die sooner

[harsh crow]

How much is sooner?

Roughly speaking of course.

[shrewd juniper]

depends

[magic wave]

They be noisier

20-80% wouldn't be as noisy

[harsh crow]

Fair. In any case currently have them on full speed to test how hot my ram gets with it's 1.56v.

Also my system has an ac at 20c blowing directly into it so time to check temps.

[harsh crow]

set my fans to vary from 65-100% load at a min-max celsius of 30-65c so if any components such as cpu, vrms, gpu, heat up all fans will speed up to cool it down.

[lethal flame]

what do y’all know about this cooler

[harsh crow]

Very expensive for worse performance compared to competitors.

[twin ivy]

Go ls or lt720 if you want an aio

I use one on my 5900x

[harsh crow]

I can vouch for LT720 epic AIO.

[lethal flame]

I was trying to do an all corsair build but it really doesn’t matter to me

[twin ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-up-dry-heave-vomit-gross-eww-gif-23254765

[rotund sable]

Sorry but we're going to need to put you in quarantine.

[lethal flame]

What memory should I go with them

GSKILL?

bc I had Corsair in my cart

[knotty sparrow]

Corsair memory is often garbage that can't even run its rated speed

Team has more consistent sticks

And they're the cheap brand

[knotty sparrow]

With what CPU?

And what budget for them?

Oh nvm I see felix helping you

[lethal flame]

yeah thanks

[still harbor]

how important is m.2 heatsink on motherboard?

[marsh badge]

Not really important, but they immensely help hotter drives

Such as pcie gen 4 and 5

[still harbor]

alright thanks :)

does that apply to using a gen 4 ssd in a gen 3 slot still?

[shrewd juniper]

Even some gen 4's (cheaper ones) are probably fine without a heatsink and some will come with heatsinks if you're worried you can buy them for pretty cheap tho

[still harbor]

ok should be fine then, thanks :)

[smoky bramble]

Has anyone used the Bykski 3080 ftw3 waterblock with the active backplate? https://www.formulamod.com/Bykski-GPU-Block-With-Active-Waterway-Backplane-For-EVGA-RTX-3090-3080Ti-3080-FTW3-Ultra-Gaming-Water-Cooler-N-EV3090FTW3-TC-V2-p3620924.html

[somber surge]

Is the Cooler Master Masterliquid ML240P Mirage

[shrewd juniper]

cooler master unfortunately has a very small amount of good products (most notable the nr200(p))

[strange flume]

ML240L V2 is like their only decent aio besides that one that ships in the NR200P max

and even then it's not worth the price it sells for

pretty horrible value these days tbh

[knotty sparrow]

Expect the fans on that to die quickly too. Mine lasted a little over a year on the ML240L.

Easily fixed with a couple P12 fans but at that point you've spent more money than the next tier up AIO

[strange flume]

Those fans are supposed to be good too, sadge

Sickleflow stonks

[supple harbor]

did they dethrone the arctic freezr

[shrewd juniper]

As the price/perf champ yes, on am4 no, on lga1700 i believe so

Lf2 pricing has been sad recently

Hoping lf3 is in the works

[supple harbor]

No leaks on that as of rn right

[somber surge]

Is the DEEPCOOL Castle 360EX? I am getting the 240mm https://amzn.eu/d/fImLVF8

[shrewd juniper]

Not yet

[marsh badge]

For which cpu will you pair this with?

[shrewd juniper]

The castle is decent although it depends what with and how much you're paying for it and what country you're in

[marsh badge]

^

[somber surge]

5600x

[marsh badge]

The cpu doesn't need such a cooler, but there's nothing wrong with the cooler

[somber surge]

7000 - 6000 rupee

[somber surge]

It is cheap

[shrewd juniper]

How cheap? Also check if the 5600 is cheaper because they're basically the same cpu, you can basically stick a 120mm tower cooler on that and call it a day, I'm not sure what the market is like in india but this seems a lot cheaper
https://www.amazon.in/Deepcool-AG400-Single-Cooler-Support/dp/B0B5TNJMVC/

Yeah also idk if you're buying from Amazon for the 5600x but the 5600 is cheaper so get that instead

[somber surge]

The 5600 is like same price

[somber surge]

Yes I am buying from Amazon but Amazon Business

[somber surge]

In Amazon Business u can Is claim taxes

[shrewd juniper]

Still

[supple harbor]

rip, if I have a 7700x and the largest my case can support is a 280, should I go with the LF 280 over the lt520?

[shrewd juniper]

That should be fine with a thermalright ft120 for like 40$

[supple harbor]

I only have a height clearance of 145mm

[shrewd juniper]

What case is it?

[supple harbor]

Dan case c4

If I go with air cooling, my best options are the d15l or thermal right soul steal 135 or some

[shrewd juniper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ys4Ycf/thermalright-silver-soul-135-82-cfm-cpu-cooler-ss-135-white-1700-d3 this would fit, with another fan id say itd be fine

if not https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ttt9TW/ek-aio-280-d-rgb-116-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-280-d-rgb

[supple harbor]

I was considering going with that then doing a noctua fan swap

[shrewd juniper]

ew noctua fans are dummy expensive

grab like a p12 or something

[supple harbor]

I have a few p12s lying around that I can use

[shrewd juniper]

perfect

[supple harbor]

It's crazy how well thermalright is doing

Considering their prices

[shrewd juniper]

both should be decent options, i guess if you have the budget the ek would be a good future proofer plus quieter and cooler

yeah theyre killing

[supple harbor]

budget isn't the biggest issue for me this time, as long as I don't overpay for like some Corsair or Nzxt aio

I think this will be the last time I buy pc parts til a few years hopefully

[somber surge]

Is the DEEPCOOL Castle 240 EX good for 5600X https://amzn.eu/d/0H9yLrK

[marsh badge]

We've already told you about it, and suggested something as an option to save money

If you really are finding validation for it, might as well just buy it

[strange flume]

5600X works well on a stock cooler or a basic $20 one. It doesn't need an aio

[vale sinew]

anyone have any AIO recommendations around $100-$150 range? I have an i6-11600 and my CPU reaches upwards of 90C

[harsh crow]

LS520/LT520 or Arctic Freezer II 280mm are pretty good

[vale sinew]

Thank you

[harsh crow]

If you wanna go for something that will last you down the long for if you upgrade to a hotter cpu, I recommend the LT720 or LS720.

[somber surge]

It is a Different cooler and it is in Stock

[harsh crow]

I gotta ask. Is your username based off of/from Hot Tub Time Machine?

[shrewd juniper]

If you're in the US the ek rgb for 95$ is probably your best bet

If you want an aio but honestly a thermalright ft120 would easily handle an 11600(k?)

[somber surge]

No what is hot tub time machine

[shrewd juniper]

It's basically the same and you just ignored everything we said

[somber surge]

I Can buy a air cooler BUT I have to buy 6 fans for my case which will cost me ₹6000 and 1 fan is 1000 rupee so if I buy a 240mm aio it will come with 2 fan and the Cheapest aio is 5000 rupee so 5000 - 2000 = 3000 so I am getting a aio for 3000

And the air cooler u sent is 1800 rupee 3000 - 1800 = 1200 so a aio for 1200 is OP

[shrewd juniper]

Is there no like 5 packs of fans? Usually you can find one of those for around 25$ like the artic p12

[somber surge]

U can but it is the non rgb p12 one and the p12 rgb is out of stock

[somber surge]

And 120mm aio is not good right ?

[shrewd juniper]

They're bad ye

[knotty sparrow]

Ooh scythe fuma 3. One side of the cooler got thiccc.

Mugen 6 too

Oh fuma isn't just bigger, it's also shifted so it's not hanging a fan above the memory. That'll be really good for compatibility.

It'll be $50, very compelling price

[shrewd juniper]

Ohh interesting

[magic sparrow]

Grand Tornado hype. Goodbye Gentle Typhoon??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_2xGk1Wy5g

[languid gale]

Anyone know if bykski water blocks are any good?

It’s the only water block I can find for my 6950XT

[sacred wren]

they're good

[strange flume]

They're decent for budget blocks yeah

[strange flume]

Just a heads up 6900xt blocks also work

[magic sparrow]

Good, but sometimes require a bit of caution. Design flaw on my 3080/3090 TUF block where cutout for inductors on back VRM side are too shallow and bends the PCB even without thermalpads. Few thin washers at the back of the card made it fine tho.
I have yet to hear of an issue that is major and cant really be fixed or an common small issue (my issue isnt smth that happens for all block models).

[languid gale]

Cant find one for the OCF

Other than Bykski's

Anyways, how worth it is custom looping my PC?

Also does anyone know if EK's Z690 Aorus master monoblock is compatible with the Z790 Aorus master?

Its cheaper than just a CPU block

And EK fittings are fine right?

[harsh crow]

Has anyone ever tried using Gallium in a custom loop?

[knotty sparrow]

Way too reactive to be useful. It'll eat aluminum, glass, indium, and tin, it expands when it freezes, and the melting point is a little above room temperature (29.76 C).

[harsh crow]

Gotcha.

Are there any liquid metal cooled computers at all?

[knotty sparrow]

Not that I'm aware of. Maybe a one off system that uses mercury but it wouldn't be more than a proof of concept.

[harsh crow]

Gotcha. What got me curious was the thought of a system that can use liquid metal instead of water to get much better temps in a system for serious Overclocking for long term use.

[knotty sparrow]

Two main issues besides the reactivity are the metal in question needs to heat up and cool down without expanding and cracking parts, and it needs to have a melting point well below room temperature.

There's no liquid metal I'm aware of that is neither toxic nor heavily reactive

[idle tiger]

Wouldn't matter. Conductivity of the fluid isn't all there is to it. Water has the highest volumetric specific heat of any liquid.

[harsh crow]

Is Volumetric Specific Heat the total amount of heat a specific amount of a substance can absorb?

[idle tiger]

Actually, I think ammonia could beat it out in some pressure/temp ranges, but... Yeah

[harsh crow]

Ammonia is toxic right?

[idle tiger]

Joules/ L C

[idle tiger]

Yes, and very corrosive to copper

It's used in HVAC, but all steel piping

[harsh crow]

Joules / Kelvin * Celsius?

[idle tiger]

Typo

[harsh crow]

What does the L stand for?

[idle tiger]

Litre

Like, how much energy it takes to heat up one liter of something one degrees c

[harsh crow]

What about that liquid graphene stuff instead of water?

[idle tiger]

That's not the actual si unit, but you get the idea

[harsh crow]

Yeah I get the gist.

[idle tiger]

Idk, graphene probably has some good conductivity properties, but again, not the use case here

[knotty sparrow]

https://magazine.scienceconnected.org/2016/03/liquid-graphene-metal-behaves-like-water/

[harsh crow]

I saw a old LTT video where they used it. I think the results were better then water but not by a lot.

[idle tiger]

If you look at the datasheets for those pyrolytic graphite cooling pads, they have 600+ w/mk in the xy plane. Copper is 400, diamond can be over 1000

[harsh crow]

Temps didn't spike as much and I think they were able to use more power on the CPU.

[knotty sparrow]

I think I remember that one, it was way more expensive and only about a 2 degree difference overall

[idle tiger]

Water is good enough

[knotty sparrow]

Most custom cooling systems the water is not the bottleneck of cooling

[idle tiger]

It's an extremely good coolant

[harsh crow]

But at a higher power limit.

I think, it's been a while since I saw the vid.

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m10LV-0SDns

[harsh crow]

Also just looked it up a litre of that stuff is about $30.

[knotty sparrow]

11:15 the testing gets better, they locked the power and frequency

[idle tiger]

What block did they use? If it's not an hk4 or Optimus then ...

[knotty sparrow]

I don't think they mentioned that

[harsh crow]

Cooling aside liquid graphene looks very cool.

[knotty sparrow]

There's not even a good camera angle to figure out what block they used

One important note with the liquid graphene, it's more electrically conductive than water so it'll kill your PC faster

[harsh crow]

In the event of a leak correct?

[knotty sparrow]

yes

[harsh crow]

So the trick would be to test for leaks with water then swap with graphene I'd presume?

[knotty sparrow]

Test for leaks with air, not water

You pressurize the loop and watch for any pressure drop over several hours. If it holds air, it holds water.

On a completely unrelated note, NH-D15 V2 is an 8 heat pipe dual tower monster

Sounds like the GN fan tester is just about done, they're waiting for the next slow news cycle Steve mentioned

[idle tiger]

There's some product that senses a pressure drop in the loop and cuts power

[harsh crow]

Really? When I do a custom loop in the future I am definitely getting that .

[knotty sparrow]

There's that yeah, there's also one that senses and stops leaks by doing some pressure magic

[harsh crow]

How much liquid do you think it'd take to fill up a 420mm, 340mm, and 140mm rad roughly out of curiosity?

[idle tiger]

I'd buy a gallon

[harsh crow]

Oh, not as much as I'd of guessed

[idle tiger]

Half is probably fine

Can always slightly dilute with distilled

[harsh crow]

Cause if I ever do a fully custom loop system I am gonna do a triple loop, one for CPU, GPU, and Ram.

[idle tiger]

Why bother with a 140

Why would you do that

[harsh crow]

Ram at the exhaust arex.

[harsh crow]

Aesthetic and slightly better temps.

Mostly aesthetic.

[idle tiger]

And have 3 pumps and res?

[idle tiger]

Fair

[harsh crow]

Yes.

140mm for ram and maybe SSD, 420mm for CPU, and either a 360 or 380mm for GPU should be plenty.

Given my current case restrictions.

Hmmm, would it be possible to use dye with graphene?

Just curious.