old-cooling

[knotty sparrow]

Eh, it happens. GM, what can you do

[unreal saffron]

i drove there last year

pleasanton

something like that

[knotty sparrow]

I've been through there, nice place

[unreal saffron]

very pretty

all of cali is a dream man

soooo pretty

[knotty sparrow]

I visit the vineyards and go wine tasting every year, I agree large parts of the state are just gorgeous

And then there's the bay area

[unreal saffron]

hahah

sanfran is amazing to me too

but i lived in new jersey my whole life

west coast is just a completely different place

[unreal saffron]

Thx for everything yall!

[strange flume]

Np

[viscid vapor]

Speaking of CPU coolers, this a good one I can use on my I9?

Thermaltake TH360 ARGB Motherboard Sync Edition Intel LGA1700 Ready/AM5/AMD All-in-One Liquid Cooling System 360mm High Efficiency Radiator CPU Cooler CL-W300-PL12SW-B, Black https://a.co/d/gQ4vjBi

[strange flume]

You could if you wanted

Not the best but it'll give you a lot of performance

I don't recall thermaltake aio's ever being terrible just not the best

If you want the best for your cpu?

One sec

This
https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuliquidcoolers/LS720-High-Performance-360mm-Liquid-CPU-Cooler/2022/15826.shtml

Or liquid freezer 2 b stock

[viscid vapor]

I'm not overclocking, just running it as a gaming server 24/7

[strange flume]

It'll work

If you wanted to go for it

But ye, a couple other options to also think about

[knotty sparrow]

12900k is a poor choice for a server cpu because of e-cores

Forces you to basically use latest Windows which is less than ideal

[viscid vapor]

I'm stuck using newest windows 1/3 of the time due to work. I was looking at that other day Felix. The water part had me a bit worried. Amazon had one at $49, but moment I went to look at the page, it had (Renewed) end of description.

[strange flume]

Yeah I've just seen the b stock category is gone now

Big sad

Sorry I only just found out

But LS720 is like, perfect for 12900K(S)

It has a very strong pump and a very good block for it

It also comes in different colours and varieties to fit your aesthetics if you wanted

[viscid vapor]

Lot less than the Thermaltake.

[strange flume]

Price wise?

I can't check the thermaltake link

My amazon bugs out for us links

[viscid vapor]

$129 Thermaltake, Deepcool $89, new, not renewed.

[strange flume]

Ah ok

$89's really good

That's a sale price, it has a 150-ish msrp

[knotty sparrow]

It would suck if your game server was determined to be a background task and set to use the e-cores wouldn't it

You wouldn't even know except for the bad performance without loading up the interface

[viscid vapor]

I take it back. The display icon says $89, but page itself says $139.

If I use penguin, it shows performance if I set it up in the panel if I run it in background.

[magic sparrow]

Does Linux still not have good eCore support?

[knotty sparrow]

It's still pretty basic support

[strange flume]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Hwypg/deepcool-lt720-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-r-lt720-bkamnf-g-1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q86p99/deepcool-ls720-wh-8585-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-r-ls720-whamnt-g-1
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/znH7YJ/ek-aio-basic-360-77-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-basic-360
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/yLBhP6/ek-aio-360-d-rgb-6604-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ek-aio-360-d-rgb

[viscid vapor]

Doesn't the Steam Deck run on Linux?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes, why?

[strange flume]

Ek basic is probably the cheapest option rn cos b stock gone

[magic sparrow]

How tf did you not get mee6ed for duplicates?

[strange flume]

Idk

I stopped at 4

Yeah ek basic 360 I checked, one of the best cheapest options

This is also good
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/K4848d/deepcool-castle-360ex-644-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-castle-360ex

Castle was quite good before the LS came along and dunked on that one

[viscid vapor]

I don't know Linux, but didn't stop me from modifying an AP years ago from Google play. I purchased a $14.99 rpg like 9 years ago which at the time was pretty high for a game. After sales died out, and company sold, new owner changed it to free, and modified the game so items needed to finish it off now required you to buy items from a store that got added.

[strange flume]

This also
https://www.ebay.com/itm/354106545275

[viscid vapor]

Com2us was pretty understanding, though made it quite clear what would happen if I used multiplayer

[knotty sparrow]

All you'd have to do is sideload an older version of the apk and block it from updates

You already paid for it so no rules broken there

[viscid vapor]

I didn't have a backup at the time and it's one of those things I bought , played a bit, forgot about, came back to a nasty surprise.

[knotty sparrow]

You don't need a backup, apk files are easy to find

[viscid vapor]

Majesty was another one, but didn't know enough to get around the changes. That one, also played 2/3 of, to one day have half the map relocked, and each spot in order to pass it, had to pay $1.99 or $2.99 to unlock and be able to move past.

[bitter wharf]

has anyone tried the corsair tmx70 yet?

[harsh crow]

How bad would it be if I used the default fans on the Corsair H170I Elite instead of Arctic P14s for a 13900K?

Trying to decide if the P14s are worth the extra $110.

[strange flume]

You'd probably see a couple degrees

[rotund sable]

no 💀

Pretty sure you can get p14's for cheaper though... how many are you trying to get

[strange flume]

He lives in Mexico so life's a bit different there

Although tbf h170i isn't really worth it to begin with

Contact frame + arctic LF2 420 rgb would be cheaper and better

[harsh crow]

Just a couple? Because if so I think I will probably just use the fans with the AIO and use the 3 140mm fans in my torrent for the time being and get a SSD instead.

[harsh crow]

Doesn't fit in the torrent.

Not unless I wanna do 1 of 2 things.

1. saw off 1 of the fan slots on the bottom.
2. never used the front panel and just take it off.

Trust me, If I could I would've stuck with the 420mm lf2 and saved myself a hundred bucks.

But back to the question, would it be fine if I didn't use the P14s for the time being?

Also would a contact frame be worth getting?

[strange flume]

Ah right I forgot about that

LS720 exists as well

More rad≠ more better

[harsh crow]

Would it fit though?

[strange flume]

It's a 360mm

Definitely would

I'd be shocked tbh

[harsh crow]

.... Small maybe.

[strange flume]

As I said, more rad≠more better

[harsh crow]

Feels weird seeing 120mm fans in the torrent.

[strange flume]

But h170i is expensive as hecc and not amazing

Just suggesting it as an alternative

Is all

[harsh crow]

Mhmm, considering it.

Can a 360 AIO really handle a 13900k?

[strange flume]

Yes

As I keep saying

More rad ≠ more better

≠ - does not equal

Pump and block matter more on 13th and 12th

[harsh crow]

Hmmm. What are the 360mm AIOs you'd recommend?

[strange flume]

LS720, LF2 360 would fit

LT720

EK 360

[harsh crow]

Considering using a 360 if it performs better while saving me some money.

Even if it does look a bit funky.

[harsh crow]

LT?

[strange flume]

Same as LS but different design on the block

EK D-RGB or EK Basic 360mm is also pretty good, I can attest to those even on a warped chip

[harsh crow]

How bad will airflow be if I use 120mm fans on the front?

[strange flume]

Wouldn't really do anything tbh

Depends, how would you feel with 120's in the front?

[harsh crow]

Something that occured to me when reading some comments about what 360mm rads to put on the front.

I think it'd look a bit funky but my main concern is not enough airflow to push hot air out of the case suffocating the GPU.

[strange flume]

Airflow won't be a problem

Stick a couple of those fans underneath the gpu

You'll have 0 issues

[harsh crow]

Hmmm alright.

[strange flume]

The torrent ones

But if you're uncomfortable with 120's in the front I get it tbh

[harsh crow]

Idk why it just feels weird, like I look at this case and it makes even a 140mm fan feel kinda small.

[strange flume]

Well yeah, eATX

It's huge

[harsh crow]

You own the case as well correct?

[strange flume]

Nah

[harsh crow]

Or am I thinking of Pato.

[strange flume]

O11 evo is my main

Fal'cie has a torrent

[harsh crow]

Ahh gotcha.

[strange flume]

My other thoughts about H170i is the gross icue integration

Lots of wires and you're kinda stuck with icue

[harsh crow]

From a performance stand point how well does it work?

Compared to say a LF2 360.

[strange flume]

On 13th gen? Probably about the same, maybe a bit better without the contact frame

With the contact frame tho? LF2 and LS720 definitely edge it out

[harsh crow]

Mhmm, so it comes down to aesthetics then is what I am understanding.

I'd basically be paying double for looks.

[strange flume]

H170i has a very favourable coldplate for contacting with 12th and 13th, making it just good by consequence really

Yeah honestly

Tho ls720 looks nice for as much as an lf2

H170i is just all over expensive

[harsh crow]

Ls720 doesn't have a black variant available at the moment.

[strange flume]

LT720 does iirc

It's like black/grey

Would go a bit well with the aorus 4090 you had in mind tbh

The master

Those daisy chain fans are worth every cent too

[harsh crow]

Can't find the LT720 unfortunately.

[strange flume]

Sadge

EK aio?

[harsh crow]

So it comes down to EK or LF2 correct?

[strange flume]

Yeah pretty much

I believe there is also an eisbaer pro 420mm

That one's good too

I have doubts you could get that one tho

[harsh crow]

Mhmm, only concern is idk if it would fit.

I found it for cheaper but not sure if it would fit.

[strange flume]

It's not as thick as the lf2 so yeah it'll fit as good as h170i

[harsh crow]

The problem with the lf2 is the height.

[strange flume]

Oh height

[harsh crow]

It's slightly taller then 420mm.

Causing the screws to not align.

[strange flume]

[harsh crow]

And the aisbaer may have the same issue but I am not sure.

[strange flume]

https://www.alphacool.com/download/datasheet/ENG_11774_Alphacool_Eisbaer_Pro_Aurora_420_CPU_AIO_datasheet.pdf

[harsh crow]

So if I go that route it'd be a $230 gamble.

[strange flume]

Have a look there

Eisbaer is really good

I have mine on a 13900KF rn peaking 430W with their subzero paste

Pretty incredible cooler tbh

You'd use this one with their apex backplate or a contact frame

Cos flat coldplate

It makes up for the coldplate with a very good pump tho

I have even the 240 variant happily doing around 305W average on the 12900KF (actually 360mm cos of what's in the loop but anyway)

So 420mm is more than enough rad tbh

[harsh crow]

Mhmm I see, question is do I risk it for the biscuit.

[strange flume]

If you can pick that over h170i I would totally preference it for two good reasons

[harsh crow]

Also if I am correct the special thing about the eisbaer is the ability to hook a GPU up to the pump if I want to later on right.

[strange flume]

1. It's cheaper 420mm
2. No icue garbage

Yes you're right

Very very handy stuff

It's the start of a custom loop if you want to add more to it later

Didn't you want to do that actually?

[harsh crow]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Alphacool-Eisbaer-Aurora-420-Procesador/dp/B084TPCQ81/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1IAR78T5MCAXW&keywords=alphacool+420+aio&qid=1670058615&sprefix=alphacool+420+aio%2Caps%2C177&sr=8-3&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

This is the one I can find.

About $30 cheaper then the H170I.

[strange flume]

But also able to become part of a full water loop

Wait not that one

That one sucks

For 13th gen

You need specifically the eisbaer pro

[harsh crow]

Ahh gotcha.

Also bad news.

About 20mm to long.

[strange flume]

Sadge

[harsh crow]

The H170I which barely fits is 457mm and that's 486mm.

[strange flume]

Damn

How much is the h170i?

I can't read amazon links on the phone sorry

[harsh crow]

$268.

[strange flume]

[harsh crow]

Found 360mm Eisbaer Pro.

For $40 cheaper.

[strange flume]

Ooo

Pog

Like this?

[harsh crow]

Well f, it's gonna cost me more after delivery

But if it performs as good as you say I think I will get it.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Alphacool-11771-Eisbaer-Pro-Aurora/dp/B097MXQV5M/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=FUO1OQJW2RV3&keywords=alphacool+eisbaer+pro&qid=1670058808&sprefix=alphacool+eisbaer+pro%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1&ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.66c34496-0d28-4d73-a0a1-97a8d87ec0b2

[strange flume]

If not that then EK or Arctic

That's your big bucks future custom loop option

The ek or arctic are your premium high end aio's

[harsh crow]

The pump in it, how strong is it?

[strange flume]

In the eisbaer? Far stronger than the other 2

[harsh crow]

Like, my main reason for still considering it rn is the fact that if the pump is strong enough I can do a full custom loop with it in the future.

And save myself the money in D5 pumps.

[strange flume]

LF2 has a wider rad, which brute forces better cooling, meanwhile EK has a better block design and pump, but Eisbaer just turns the pump to 11

Ok so it's not D5 strong

Clear that thought from your mind for a moment

It's DC-LT*

It's a pump 1/3 the strength of a D5

A D5 that is, at 50% speed

(how you would run it)

So it's a weak loop pump, but you can get eiswolf waterblocks which also have ddc's and run several pumps to accommodate the difference

[harsh crow]

Hmmm. How well would that translate if I used that to push water through 2 rads, CPU, and GPU?

[strange flume]

Or get extra DC-LT's

You'd want a second DC-LT for 2 rads and also a GPU

If you got an eiswolf, you'd have everything

If you got an eisblock (solo waterblock for your card) you'd want an extra DC-LT and Rad

[harsh crow]

Gotcha. I think for now, just to get a system up and running I will go with the cheaper option and use a LF 360mm.

[strange flume]

That's alright

[harsh crow]

And invest in custom loop equipment in the future.

[strange flume]

I agree with that tbh

[harsh crow]

Because I am cutting it really tight with my budget.

[strange flume]

I see

[harsh crow]

Is a contact frame worth it?

Using the MSI Mag Z690 Tomahawk Mobo.

[strange flume]

Yes

It's always worth it

$6 off aliexpress

For what results in a massive chunk of your cooling power actually working

[harsh crow]

What I currently have selected.

• I9-13900K
• MSI Mag Z690 Tomahawk
• G.Skill Trident Z5 DDR5 6000 c36 2x16
• Samsung 980 Pro 2tb
• Arctic LF II 360
• 4x P14 fans
• Noctua NT-H2
• TT Tough power GF3 1000w PSU
• Fractal Torrent Case

[strange flume]

Change the 980 pro to p41 2tb

[harsh crow]

$$$

[strange flume]

Or solidigm 2tb if you must have gen 4

980 pro is just, never good value

[harsh crow]

I will take another look but I am pretty sure the P41 was like triple the price.

[strange flume]

Ok then not p41

But solidigm

[harsh crow]

After delivery the solidigm will cost me more.

[shrewd juniper]

They're in Mexico

Not the shtates 🤠

[harsh crow]

The two drives pre-delivery cost about 5$ difference.

After delivery, the solidigm costs $30 more.

[strange flume]

I vote this be the new name

Hmm ok

[shrewd juniper]

Shtates 🤠

[strange flume]

P31?

What about that one

[harsh crow]

P31 is gen 3 isn't it?

[shrewd juniper]

Doubt it hynix isn't great at seeking that internationally

[strange flume]

Yes, but it's the fastest gen 3

Beats some gen 4's

[shrewd juniper]

Yes but it's better than most gen 4 drives

Kek

[harsh crow]

Interesting.

[strange flume]

Hynix is the goat of ssd's

For us gamers

(I'm not a gamer(

[shrewd juniper]

How much does the 980 pro cost in pesos?

[harsh crow]

Costs about $60 more.

[strange flume]

)

Sheesh

[harsh crow]

Before shipping.

Costs about $100 more after shipping.

[strange flume]

Are Mexicans smart? Why is the 980 pro so cheap there

[harsh crow]

Idk.

[shrewd juniper]

^

[strange flume]

The rest of the world dumb and buy that thing so much cos fast drive

[harsh crow]

The 980 pro costs almost exactly $200 USD.

[strange flume]

Meanwhile MX

200 usd is a normal price

Ok

But mexico

Thonks

Ok lets try a really low bin

[harsh crow]

It's surprisingly the most fair priced gen 4 drive I've come by.

[shrewd juniper]

So like 4000 pesos for 2tb?

[harsh crow]

Yes.

[strange flume]

How much is samsung 980 2tb?

Non pro

[harsh crow]

Let me take a look.

[shrewd juniper]

Where you looking btw?

But at least from Amazon mx that 980 is the best deal I've seen

[strange flume]

It sounds decent

I'm just curious

[harsh crow]

Only available in 1tb.

[strange flume]

How much is 1tb

[harsh crow]

1,867 peso.

93 USD.

Price per gig is cheaper on that one.

[strange flume]

Damn

But not better

Ok so it's definitely good

Meanwhile that psu

GF3

[shrewd juniper]

Ehh I'd get the 980 pro 2tb for 200$ fhen

[harsh crow]

Got it, so stick with the 980 pro.

[strange flume]

Yeah I would too

The GF3 is also fine, went and did some cultist digging

It's a loud psu tho

Just a warning

Good atx 3.0, just noisy

[harsh crow]

Louder then 7 P14s?

[strange flume]

Uhhhhhhhhh

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26051001

Maybe

[harsh crow]

Mhmm.

[shrewd juniper]

How much does it cost btw?

Cuz i found a 1000w rmx for 3500 pesos

[harsh crow]

$365

[strange flume]

Whoaaa

Rmx

Rmx

[shrewd juniper]

Uh what's that in pesos? I'm guessing more

[strange flume]

Definitely 110% rmx

It's like 200 usd for rmx

[harsh crow]

7300 peso.

[strange flume]

RMX is the better psu

[shrewd juniper]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Corsair-RM1000x-alimentación-totalmente-renovada/dp/B09F1XRN4J

[strange flume]

Then you get a custom adapter

[harsh crow]

Does that mean I will need to use the horrendous mess of an adapter?

[strange flume]

No

[shrewd juniper]

This is a renewed unit but apart from that

[strange flume]

You can order one from a custom brand

Btw all the adapters turned out to be fine

[shrewd juniper]

Corsair offer an atx 3.0 cable for like 15$

[strange flume]

After everything happened

All the faults were from people not plugging them in properly

[harsh crow]

Is that the one Jay showed in his video?

[strange flume]

50 melted plugs, all from user install errors

[harsh crow]

With like 4 wires sticking out of the gpu?

[shrewd juniper]

No idea don't watch him as he spouts a lot of stuff that's just wronf

[strange flume]

He showed the corsair adapter

And yes he said dumb stuff

Corsair adapter is hard to get tho

[harsh crow]

Mhmm, I think cables are gonna be the death of me. But if you guys recommend a 2.0 PSU at a tempting enough price I will take it.

[strange flume]

Always out of stock afaik (I haven't checked this in 2 weeks)

Yes definitely

2.0 native for much better unit easily worth doing

Then a custom adapter for a piece of mind

I like cablemod's adapter rn

Not the greatest, but very good

[harsh crow]

What PSU do you guys recommend? 13900K+4090 and at least 7 maybe 10 fans in the future cus push/pull looks cool.

[strange flume]

1000W at least

[shrewd juniper]

@harsh crow
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/PC-Components/Power-Supplies/600W-PCIe-5-0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284

[strange flume]

@harsh crow

This one

And the cable pato also linked

Since it's in stock

Poggers

[shrewd juniper]

That's in the us so either import or contact customer service and see if they ship to mexico or something

[strange flume]

That'll give you budget for like, custom cables

[harsh crow]

Free delivery to MX.

[strange flume]

Or mishaps/cable issues

[harsh crow]

No import fees.

Thank g0d.

[strange flume]

Neat

[harsh crow]

Will the 1,000 watts be enough?

Also could you guys recommend me a contact frame to install.

[strange flume]

Thermalright contact frame

Or the wallmart one, if that appears on amazon, second preference

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah and yeah

[harsh crow]

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Thermalright-generación-antiflexión-corrección-instalación/dp/B0B5Q34SZ1/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?crid=2BI1AARBODH9U&keywords=thermalright+contact+frame&qid=1670061019&sprefix=thermalright+%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-2

This one?

[strange flume]

Ye

[shrewd juniper]

Yea

[strange flume]

Best one

What price?

[shrewd juniper]

310 pesos or something

[harsh crow]

15$

[shrewd juniper]

I was just about to send it

[harsh crow]

Pretty much.

[strange flume]

Perfect

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah thats a normal price

[harsh crow]

16 dollars and like 50 cents.

What concerns me is this, "import fees may apply".

[shrewd juniper]

Also btw ger the grey one instead as it's little bit cheaper and the colours don't even shoeme

[strange flume]

You won't even know what colour it is underneath yeah

[harsh crow]

The contact frame isn't visible when installed?

[strange flume]

Not really no

Maybe if you try from the sides

It's so deep under my eisbaers it's long gone

[harsh crow]

Hmm, at like a 5 cent difference I think I will keep the black.

Just to keep it all matching.

I will buy the adapter cable when I get the GPU later on.

[shrewd juniper]

I mean it can't be much since it costs so little anyway

[strange flume]

Like, at most a dollar possibly lol

[harsh crow]

Alright, I think there isn't much else I can do to beat this price without serious sacrifices.

[strange flume]

https://youtu.be/iYU1OskbY-Q

Watch this btw

[harsh crow]

I started off yesterday with a total of like, 2800$ for all the parts, now it's down to 2,112.

[shrewd juniper]

Hoe much is your ram costing you btw?

[strange flume]

Shows you how to install the frame

You need to do it a specific way

[harsh crow]

About $250. Will need to double check.

$269.9

https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/aw/d/B09PTGZM6Y/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?smid=A3TOECTKC4OEBD&psc=1

2x16gb 6000mhz cas36

[strange flume]

The ram we keep trying to shrink down

[harsh crow]

It went from 6600mhz, to 6400mhz, down to 6000mhz now.

Oh yeah, ram can now cost as much as a 12900k lmao.

G.skill released a 8000mhz c34 ram

[shrewd juniper]

This is a lil cheaper
https://www.amazon.com.mx/TEAMGROUP-T-Force-6000MHz-PC5-48000-computadora/dp/B09LHNF6GT/

[harsh crow]

For $540

[strange flume]

Ooo hynix

It's a terrible kit but hynix m def

[shrewd juniper]

Is it?

[strange flume]

Yes

[shrewd juniper]

How you tell it could be samsung

[strange flume]

Cos people who bought it

Got hynix

[harsh crow]

$20 cheaper but looks ugly imo.

[strange flume]

They look a lot better in person

[harsh crow]

.......

No ty.

[strange flume]

You don't have to say great lol

But they def look better installed than in marketing

[harsh crow]

Yes, just not my style.

I am more of a metallic gun metal type guy

[strange flume]

Don't count on g.skills btw

Those delid themselves

[harsh crow]

?

[strange flume]

Not even joking

[harsh crow]

Delid?

[strange flume]

The heatsink comes clean off sometimes

[shrewd juniper]

What gpu are you getting btw?

[strange flume]

It's still a problem with ddr5

It started with ddr4 kits lol

[shrewd juniper]

Wait what

[harsh crow]

4090 Aorus Master once I have the $ saved up for it after I get the rest of the system made.

[strange flume]

G skill uses loose heatsinks

On tridents

Specifically tridents

I have been a victim of delidding my tridents without even trying

[shrewd juniper]

Why not go like 13700k and ddr4 or something instead of spending so much money on that then?

[strange flume]

[harsh crow]

So what your saying is, I risk suffering by using the tridents or I go the ugly route and use team force....

[strange flume]

Some people their trident heatsinks just randomly fall off but I haven't heard that of the ddr5 ones yet

[shrewd juniper]

I've never heard that so it must be a small portion of users

[strange flume]

I mean

In all likelihood it's probably fine

Just avoid taking them out* after warming the system up

[harsh crow]

Just noticed that the silver ones are on sale for same price as the team force.

[strange flume]

It happens a lot to overclockers

But they move the ram a lot, and also daily high voltages

So warmer

And more movement

[harsh crow]

This PC is kinda like my dream piece that I've been meaning to do for years and with my mind set I am just trying to think how do I make it work within my budget.

[shrewd juniper]

Makes sense

I mean up to you that's just what I'd do

[harsh crow]

So stick the ram in, and try not to take it out to often?

[strange flume]

Try to avoid taking it out at all until the system is cold

Unless you have like, serious post issues

[harsh crow]

Got it. Avoid taking it out, and only do so if the system is cold.

[strange flume]

Would also suggest pro z690-a d5 if it's on a cheaper sale

It's such a good board

It's a tomahawk without the flair

[harsh crow]

Sorry mate, already been through this on that board.

[strange flume]

Ok

[harsh crow]

But yeah, so anything else I can do to decrease the cost of the system without much compromise?

[shrewd juniper]

Went through last night, they wan the flare

[strange flume]

13900KF instead of K

Arctic MX6 instead of NT-H2

If it's available

[shrewd juniper]

Actually just use the included paste with the cooler

[strange flume]

Or that

[shrewd juniper]

Not if they gonna be buying gpu later and using igpu now

[harsh crow]

The Igpu has some benefits to me as a content creator.

So I will probs keep that.

The liquid freezer comes with thermal paste?

AIO*

[shrewd juniper]

All coolers do

[harsh crow]

Is the performance difference between that and the NT-H2 big?

[strange flume]

Ehhhh

[strange flume]

Not really

If you need to wait a while for 4090 I would consider 7900XTX tbh

[harsh crow]

Good to know because that'll save me $50.

[strange flume]

It's like, a week away and 600-800$ usd cheaper

[harsh crow]

Similar performance?

[marsh badge]

nah

it's at the mark of 4080

[strange flume]

I mean, for nearly half the price and claims to be within 20% of it? It's better value by far

[marsh badge]

but ^

[strange flume]

No

It's claiming better

But priced cheaper

4080 is like, a slightly better 3090 Ti

[marsh badge]

well yes, but still behind 4090 anyway since amd didn't aim to compete with that thing

[shrewd juniper]

YOU WHERE GONNA PAY 50 DOLLARS FOR PASTE

[harsh crow]

.....

Don't question it.

Lmao.

[shrewd juniper]

They sell for like 5$ for a tube

[harsh crow]

$35 correction.

Not $50.

[strange flume]

Must've been a big tube

[harsh crow]

10 grams

[marsh badge]

still way overpriced

[strange flume]

Yeah that's good for like, 20 repastes lmao

[harsh crow]

Wait srly?

[strange flume]

You need a 1g tube

Yup lol

I have a lot of nt-h1 and nt-h2

[marsh badge]

1g tube is plenty

[strange flume]

Take my word

[harsh crow]

Okay then.

[marsh badge]

you don't even need much to have room for mistakes

[strange flume]

1g does like, a full paste and then a repaste or extra if you stuff up hard

[harsh crow]

Everything now comes in at 2,084 USD before import fees.

[strange flume]

It's good for the layman

[harsh crow]

Shipping included.

As far as the 7900xtx goes, I'd consider it but it's kinda another one of those things where when you have your mind set, your mind is set if you know what I mean.

I guess with this, this is probably as much as I am gonna be able to shave the cost of this system without large compromises.

Thank you guys for all your help! I really do appreciate it. All goes well I will have all the parts ordered in about 3 weeks.

[harsh crow]

.
Odd question just popped up in my head.

Would it be possible to use 2x180mm fans with a 360mm rad?

[strange flume]

You can

[magic sparrow]

@marsh badge @strange flume With the three relative 7900XTX perf increases given by AMD, plus the garbage FPS perf numbers (cant properly compare them to anything else due to different system and tests, just about useless tbf), should be exactly halfway inbetween 4080 and 4090 in raster perf and somewhere inbetween 3090 - 3090Ti in RT perf.

[bitter wharf]

yeah but DLSS is still miles ahead of FSRR

[marsh badge]

doesn't change the fact that it's still $200 cheaper than 4080

[bitter wharf]

doesnt change the fact no one should even buy 40 series anyways, Nvidia price gouging

[marsh badge]

exactly

[magic sparrow]

I mean tbf, $1000 AMD GPU isnt exactly ideal either

[bitter wharf]

Ive got a 3070 ti that Ill eventually upgrade to a 3090 ti and then I aint upgrading till 60 or 70 series

[marsh badge]

i would say 4090 has a value of its own

it's lots faster than 3090ti while having lower msrp

[bitter wharf]

not 2k value...There is only like 2 or 3 games that are pushing a 3090 ti to its limit and its more cuz they have terrible game optimizations than hardware

[marsh badge]

but 4080 kinda ehh

[magic sparrow]

MSRP that was made during the dark ages tho

[marsh badge]

ik

[magic sparrow]

I highly doubt it'd have a $2000 release MSRP during normal times

[marsh badge]

ye

but still probably 1.6k

so same as 4090

[bitter wharf]

not to mention Nvidia straight lied to their customers...They said they would keep GPU prices similar to 30 series then provide a ~25%+ upcharge to MSRP

[magic sparrow]

Still terrible value, those are Titan prices for what isnt even close to a Titan (no special drivers, no full die, no full mem bandwidth [21Gbps mem instead of 24Gbps mem]).

[bitter wharf]

Im waiting on FSR2.0 to get better then Ill probably make a complete AMD build when its time to upgrade

[marsh badge]

it does have special drivers tho

nvidia studio driver

even 3060 has studio driver

[bitter wharf]

pretty sure all 20 series+ gpu come with studio driver?

[magic sparrow]

Those arent Quadro level drivers

What Titan use to get more or less afaik

[marsh badge]

fair enough

[bitter wharf]

well I mean quadros are also their premier workstation GPUs completely different department

[magic sparrow]

Correct, however Titan use to get those kinds of drivers

[marsh badge]

titan used to exist as the bridge between geforce and quadro

[magic sparrow]

Now they dont, but still come at a "same" (more expensive actually) price

[bitter wharf]

Well they are kind of ditching the "titan" line up completely

Its either Gaming or workstation for them

[marsh badge]

That's the point basically

Eliminate titan to milk with Quadro

[magic sparrow]

Which is fine. What isnt fine is getting an "inferior" product for a higher price

[bitter wharf]

well they used to have an entire department for titans, they decided to just cut them though

[marsh badge]

ye

[bitter wharf]

well I mean even with a lower memory bus youre still getting performance that outpaces the titan completely

[marsh badge]

Quadro costs a lot more simply because "muh workstation"

At least for lower end quadros

[bitter wharf]

well they are actually very good AI workstations

coding/security they are great too

[marsh badge]

true

it's just kinda annoying how say A2000 costs so much more than 3060

[unique lily]

skyguyx#0737 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[marsh badge]

when they're the same gpu, just different drivers

[bitter wharf]

omfg

I wouldnt mind a quadro for my AI work that im doing just holy F*** they expensive

[bitter wharf]

well the thing is most people wont even benefit from a quadro over a regular RTX anyways

[magic sparrow]

The tier is inferior tho. Of course a new GPU will outpace a two gen old GPU (RTX Titan). However customers are now paying a higher price for a lower tier GPU.

Then Nvidia tried to pretend it was the same tier to justify the costs, which is even worse as that is just blatant lying.

[bitter wharf]

Very debatable on that one tbh...just my opinion(Also not bringing 40 series into this mostly looking at the 30 series and 6xxx from amd)

a 3090 is just absolutely insane, I would put it on the same level as a titan but tbf most even 4k gaming dont need a card like that. its literally like looking at a 2080ti and a titan vs a 3080ti and a 3090ti.

[magic sparrow]

The reason why Quadros have such a high cost was because of their specialty software. Titan was the exact same. However they removed the main point of expense (to the customer) and kept the same price.

[bitter wharf]

blame the customer more...The majority of the people buying a titan were just rich gamers

[magic sparrow]

Also, 3090 is not Titan. Pretty much every Titan in existence was a full die card and the 3090 was not a full die card. The 3090Ti is the actual Titan replacement in terms of hardware, the 3090 is an inbetween of the 3080Ti and Titan tier for hardware.

[magic sparrow]

Also fair. If customers pay for the card then Nvidia has a market to use. That said, I have seen a lot more "Titan" tier cards since Turing, where Nvidia initially started marketing the Titan replacement (truly meme tier that they tried to say 2080Ti was Titan tier).

While correlation =/= causation, I still get a strong feeling that the marketing is a large cause in the acceptance of higher priced GPUs.

[bitter wharf]

btw after using tmx70 on my GPU it works great

was hitting 85c on my 3070ti on 4k now sitting at 75. My CPU is the same if not a little higher at 65c

[bitter wharf]

did someone say nerd 😮

Im trying to make an AI assistant.

Kind of, more like Tonys AI from marvel though xD

its still a lot of work in progress though

currently trying to build an information sector right now. Then after that have to implement a learning software

I have already maxed out 3 2tb Nvmes. might need to start looking at 8tb or more

also would like holographic technology to blend in with it

[unique lily]

skyguyx#0737 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bitter wharf]

ffs

Im trying to save up for a server workstation so I can have a crap ton more space

[rotund sable]

i know of a certain platform

[strange flume]

Far like:

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-shaq-flirting-trendizisst-gif-25516806

[rotund sable]

[tranquil ingot]

for an artic freezer 2, the lga1700 upgrade. What is the difference for that, is it just the height of the cpu block?

[low pumice]

It's mainly different mounting holes and different height

relative to lga1200

[tranquil ingot]

so it is needed for the height difference

dang

what if i can get it to connect with the cpu though? would i still need the bracket and other stuff?

bc it mounts fine if i do it the way im doing it

[low pumice]

are you sure about that....?

[tranquil ingot]

i mean its making contact

[low pumice]

Do you know if you are putting adequate pressure to provide proper contact?

[tranquil ingot]

trying to check

it definitly mounts just got to check th height

[low pumice]

If you don't have the lga1700 bracket, just get the free bracket from arctic

Also, if it fits in the holes, there's a decent chance it is the actual lga1700 bracket..?

[tranquil ingot]

the bracket isnt the problem

well i used the same bracket for a 9700k LOL

[low pumice]

what chip are you using now?

[tranquil ingot]

13600k

...

my only concern is the height

idk how to test it

[shrewd juniper]

Nah the mounting holes wont fit, just contact arctic for the bracket

[tranquil ingot]

but the bracket isnt the problem

i am so confused

lol

[low pumice]

When did you buy it?

[tranquil ingot]

aio or cpu?

[low pumice]

aio

freezer ii beyond a certain point just has the right hardware for lga1700

previous versions just wouldn't work

I think the revision is also on the box

rev 1 to rev 7

[tranquil ingot]

bought mine 1 year ago

sooo

[low pumice]

oh it probably has the right hardware already

[tranquil ingot]

I hate building pc sometimes

lol

[low pumice]

from what I can tell the main difference is different washers you put on the back

Take a look at this for installation guide
https://support.arctic.de/lf2-240r7

lga1700 section

[strange flume]

Revision 7

[proper cradle]

How many now

[shrewd juniper]

EK IS NOW MAKING A A750 AND A770 WATERBLOCK FOR 250 LOL

[sacred wren]

lmao

[magic sparrow]

Bykski has one for A380

[shrewd juniper]

But whyyy

[strange flume]

Why nooottttt

[harsh crow]

I think I know what the answer is gonna be but I was wondering, just how bad would it be if I put an AIO on the bottom instead of the front?

[shrewd juniper]

Aio on bottom is a bad idea as thd pump will be completely above the rad

[knotty sparrow]

Unless you have one of the rare AIO models that has the pump in the radiator you could kill your pump in a year or less by doing bottom mount

[harsh crow]

oooof.

[coarse cove]

it it worth the price to put 9 fans in the lian li o11

dymanic

i just have 3 top on rad and 3 on the side and they are exhausts i have bottom open and back and natural intakes

[noble quarry]

you should have a sligthly possitive pressure airflow

i should do 6 intakes and 4 exhaust

bottom and side as intakes, everything else as exhaust

[coarse cove]

prehaps

i was planning on doing bottom as intake but the back on the fan i was getting is crap

like the ring is only on the front so i might go with bottom as Ql120 and top and side as LL120

so 3 intake 6 outtakes

what i hit so far

with 0 in and 6 ouit

[proper cradle]

Huh

6 out makes it negative pressure

With 0 in

[strange flume]

Indeed. Dust hell

[shrewd juniper]

Nzxt would be proud

[shrewd juniper]

The people: we want d15 v2
Noctua:

[shrewd juniper]

At least they're not too expensive

[marsh badge]

not bad

[midnight shard]

So I recently put a new build together in an o11 air mini and reused all my old fans but I would really like to upgrade to all matching ones eventually. The only thing is that I need 8 120mm and 4 140mm to look best, and that gets expensive really fast. All I care is that they are white and have 12v rgb (and arent total trash)... any suggestions?

[shrewd juniper]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YsfnTW/deepcool-fc120-white-3-in-1-6191-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-r-fc120-whamn3-g-1

[midnight shard]

Yeah, maybe I'll look into a 5v argb controller. My motherboard only has the 12v rgb so it eliminates a ton of options

[marsh badge]

Which board do you have?

I can check it for you

[midnight shard]

a strix b450f

You would think that a strix would have all the options but I guess it's getting a little old or something

[marsh badge]

The board does indeed have it tho

It's 3 pin

[midnight shard]

really? i havent seen one

[marsh badge]

nvm I was just confused

You will need 12v rgb to 5v argb hub

[midnight shard]

yeah, little unfortunate. I've also thought about just getting a 360mm aio since that seems to only add like $50 on top of the price of the fans alone. But my air cooler is more than enough for a 2700

[rotund sable]

@gloomy garnet

[mint vector]

So I'm running an 13700k with an DeepCool AK620 cooler, I've got GPU-Z running while I have a game going and the temp readings are kind of wild. It is going rapidly between temps. Is that normal?

Just installed my CPU and cooler for the first time

[knotty sparrow]

Define "wild"

Fluctuations of about 10-15 degrees are normal

[rotund sable]

@gloomy garnet @gloomy garnet

[mint vector]

Well I mean it reads 45c, then a second later it will say 58c, then a few seconds later 70c, then back to 45c

Just up and down between temps very quickly

[knotty sparrow]

Sounds pretty normal, it can take time for the fans to ramp up when the load changes. And when you're gaming the load changes a lot.

[mint vector]

Alright, just making sure. I've never really paid attention to my temps so this is a first for me

[knotty sparrow]

You can set the fans so they run faster by default so you get less fluctuation

[mint vector]

The heatsink is the size of the entire PS1 console I have hooked up so I thought I should pay attention lol

[knotty sparrow]

Yep it's a chonker lol

[mint vector]

How do I change the fans to run a bit faster by default?

[knotty sparrow]

You'd change the fan curve in bios so it's a higher % at all temps

[mint vector]

Ok for some reason bios says CPU 1 fan is 0rpm

It doesn't have the second fan for this heatsink listed

[knotty sparrow]

They're probably connected to the same header so only one will read rpm

[mint vector]

Yea I'm an idiot, they are plugged into sys fan 1 and 2

[knotty sparrow]

Oops

That could be causing your temp fluctuations too lol

sys fan headers ramp slower

[mint vector]

So this heatsink has 2 fans, and it comes with a cord that I can plug both into. I should have that one plugged into CPU 1 right?

I don't have a CPU 2 fan on this mobo

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah they can be plugged into the same header, that would be recommended even

[mint vector]

The reason I didn't use the cord before is because it's missing a pin on one side

[knotty sparrow]

That's normal

That's the tachometer, reads the rpm

Only one fan needs it

[mint vector]

Oh ok good deal

Alright now that fan is being picked up in the bios, have to figure out this graph now lol

Is there a kind of reference you would go off of? Currently I have it at 33c 15%, 47c 37%, 60c 62%, 70c 99%

[knotty sparrow]

I'd see what it does now that they're in the right header first

[mint vector]

It was set at 80c for 99% but I've always heard anything over 70c could damage the cpu?

[knotty sparrow]

No that's a myth

CPUs are designed to run at their maximum temp 24/7

AMD ones will do 90-95C, Intel 100-105C

[mint vector]

Alright I moved it up to 76c 100% then

It's an Intel 13700k

Let's see what it does now

Well I don't know if it's just the game or what, but it got up to 78c for a split second, now it's bouncing between mid 40s to 50s

[knotty sparrow]

Yep still normal

While it's idle it'll be at minimum fan speed, then a sudden heavy load triggers the fan to go faster and hold steady

[mint vector]

Alright thanks for your help, I have only really ever looked at GPU temps, and this 6900xt I have now sits at 52c pretty steady

[knotty sparrow]

Nice. Glad I could help.

[sharp elm]

Any recommendations for fans with best price to performance. About to buy a case that i plan on using 15 fans

[low pumice]

What case?

Arctic p12 in general

[sharp elm]

011 dynamic evo with the vented side panel add on

Yea i was planning on going with some classic noctuas but that would be several hundred in fans

[low pumice]

that's uh, extremely excessive

to the point that its counterproductive

[low pumice]

At that point a different case with less fans might be a better option

[sharp elm]

If derbauer can do it, i can do it too

[low pumice]

It's not going to help you, if you want to throw more fans in there, you still can, just don't expect that more fans = more better lol

[sharp elm]

For sure. Ik also doing a push pull config on your aio isnt optimal also but im still doing it just to run more fans

[harsh crow]

https://tenor.com/view/rgb-fan-wall-corsair-fans-ll-rgb-fans-corsair-fan-wall-corsair-rgb-gif-13435146

[harsh crow]

How bad are LianLi Sl-Infinity fans in terms of performance?

Considering buying those instead of Arctic p12s.

Actually nvm for price at least, p12/P14s win.

.
Gonna do 3xp14 on the bottom, 6xp12 push/pull at front and 1xp12 exhaust in the back of my Fractal Torrent case.

[strange flume]

It's no competition between the two, arctics slap the lian lis

[shrewd juniper]

Uni fans are extremely cosmetic focused lol

[distant bobcat]

say sth

[harsh crow]

Ik.

[proper cradle]

What about ek

[strange flume]

EK fans are at least decent

Not winning any awards but not terrible either

Rgb is good on them

[proper cradle]

I have ek for front and my top are just some 1000RPM that came with the case

[knotty sparrow]

Vardar?

[proper cradle]

Idk it came with aio wait

[knotty sparrow]

The EK-AIO? Yeah that should be Vardars

Decent enough fans but loud when fast

[proper cradle]

Where can I buy louder/ faster fans

[knotty sparrow]

Delta

That's what goes into servers usually

Thiccc bois that can do like 8k-15k rpm

[proper cradle]

If I put faster in my pc will it make any difference in temps

[knotty sparrow]

Yes that's fast enough to chop vegetables, and fingers

[proper cradle]

Lol

[knotty sparrow]

Not enough to be worth the risk, those faster ones will blow out your fan headers

[proper cradle]

O

Then I'm just gunna buy 4 p12s and put them in my pc

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah those are awesome fans, I can't hear them at all over my GPU. Funny enough the fans on the FE GPUs are Deltas lol.

[proper cradle]

Lol

Should I change out my focus 2 default fans to p12

[knotty sparrow]

The fractal fans are decent enough for that to not be worth

[proper cradle]

Okay

[knotty sparrow]

4500 rpm at 2.4A will definitely blow out your headers. "Violence" is an earned descriptor. https://www.newegg.com/p/1YF-002Z-00016

You can shred carrots in this thing

[proper cradle]

Lol

What are fan headers rated for

[knotty sparrow]

Official spec is 1A but some boards will have 2A

Which is why you can safely have 9 of the P12 0.11A fans on one header

[proper cradle]

Oh so if you get fan hub will that work then

[knotty sparrow]

In theory, assuming the hub can be powered by the header at all

You can just use the daisy chain connector

[proper cradle]

Yea I habe my 2 top fans rn going to bottom Connor but it's a tight bend

My cpu and pump are being used up top and my mobo only has fan connections on bottom

Also I kinda Mayne bend my cpu fan not like bend in broke just slight off

This case should say 140mm allowed but you don't fit anything on top

My cpu fan cables is really bending bc the fan is in way

[knotty sparrow]

As long as you're not tugging the pins out of the connector that's fine for those cables

[proper cradle]

Oh

[cobalt imp]

Thoughts for the Ryzen 7 5800X? NZXT Kraken Z73 360mm - RL-KRZ73-01 - AIO RGB CPU Liquid Cooler - Customizable LCD Display - Improved Pump - Powered by CAM V4 - RGB Connector - Aer P 120mm Radiator Fans (3 Included) ,Black https://a.co/d/2ry8e9n

[strange flume]

Z73 is always not a good idea

Very very expensive

Try LS720 then use an old phone with superdisplay app if you want a screen in the case

[cobalt imp]

Thanks…would a 280 be sufficient for a 5800X or should I look at a 360?

[strange flume]

LS720 looks fairly similar to the kraken aio's, it's 360mm and it's like half the price

Also performs better

[knotty sparrow]

280mm is fine for a 5800X if you're just gaming, especially if you undervolt it

[strange flume]

Or go 5700X and use the stock wraith cooler

Kek

[cobalt imp]

Yeah literally just Microsoft flight sim…currently I have noctua u12s chromax black air cooler but wanted to get an AIO instead

[knotty sparrow]

MSFS is actually pretty cpu heavy but should still be ok

[strange flume]

Yeah you'll want more than a u12s tho

Lolol

Alternative - limit it to 145W, lap the IHS

No don't actually

Lol

[cobalt imp]

Yeah with MSFS I’m running mid to high 70s C on the u12s

[strange flume]

That sounds fine

[knotty sparrow]

145W, really? That's more than the package will use by default lol

[strange flume]

Lol

[knotty sparrow]

It's high heat not high power

[strange flume]

Well I forget the tdp's a lot

Second try, 105?

[knotty sparrow]

Yes that's the normal tdp

[strange flume]

[cobalt imp]

Yeah other one I was looking at ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 280 RGB (Incl. Controller) - Multi-Compatible All-in-one CPU AIO Water Cooler with RGB, Compatible with Intel & AMD, efficient PWM-Controlled Pump, Fan Speed: 200-1900 RPM https://a.co/d/2qsAKib

[strange flume]

LF2 is a very good one

EK basic 360 as well

[knotty sparrow]

Package tends to go higher than tdp so you'll see about 120W on all core default depending on many factors

[strange flume]

Doesn't change that they should thin down their thicc IHS'

[knotty sparrow]

That's mostly 7000 series

[strange flume]

5000 had it too lol

[knotty sparrow]

5000 is still kinda thick but not too bad

[cobalt imp]

Yeah this was my second choice EK AIO 360mm, D-RGB All-in-One CPU Cooler with EK-Vardar High-Performance PMW Fans, Water Cooling Computer Parts, 120mm Fan, Intel 115X/1200/2066, AMD AM4, AM5 https://a.co/d/9hXoANy

[strange flume]

The basic version not the rgb

The basic is a good chunk cheaper

But if you really want rgb, well that one's great too

@knotty sparrow ima blow your mind a bit

[cobalt imp]

Yeah true by like $40 cheaper

[strange flume]

My cores on my new i9, idle at about 29C

But my package?

40-50C

Ryzen moment

💀

[knotty sparrow]

Yep seems legit

[strange flume]

IHS truly getting a workout

[knotty sparrow]

My OC'd 5800X pulls 180W in P95

Now that my room is cold it actually stays below 90 too, quite happy

Even if "below 90" mean 86

[strange flume]

Meh, still 9 under the daily safe

Ur good

[knotty sparrow]

No the max on this is 90

[strange flume]

I know, zen 3 is safe up to 95

[knotty sparrow]

Dual CCD like 5900X and 5950X do 95

[strange flume]

Eh nani

My 5900X is limited to 90 by default too

[knotty sparrow]

Huh so it is

[strange flume]

But what's his name Frank AMD man's said 95C reeee

[knotty sparrow]

Must have just been the 5950X I was thinking of then

[strange flume]

90 is a stop gap

I run 90 limit too but my 6800H runs 95 and I can't change it

[knotty sparrow]

I mean technically speaking 100C is still "safe" this is just the artificial limit AMD deemed safe for 24/7 running

[strange flume]

Ye

Bench safe is def over 90

[knotty sparrow]

Intel and their 105C tjunction proved that

[strange flume]

You get thermal shutdowns if you go well enough over 95C

For both platforms iirc

[knotty sparrow]

It'll throttle hard first

[strange flume]

I only did it once with my 5900X so I don't remember much

Much like my 438W yeeting with the 13900K

For science!

[knotty sparrow]

Run it without a cooler and see how long it takes to shut down

[strange flume]

I'm not that crazy

Haha

Tho my friend turned on his 6900XT without a cooler once

[knotty sparrow]

Ok fine use your finger for a heatsink

[strange flume]

My reaction was expected

[knotty sparrow]

Your finger would act as a liquid cooler, technically

[strange flume]

https://tenor.com/view/on-fire-so-hot-fire-burning-scorching-gif-10290972

[tender bronze]

Has anyone done custom water cooling for am5? Looking for blocks that have worked. My current block: https://www.bykski.us/collections/am4/products/bykski-cpu-ray-mk-m-cpu-water-cooling-block-black-w-5v-addressable-rgb-rbwam3-am4-fm2

[knotty sparrow]

As long as the mounting mechanism uses the stock AMD clips or it has a designated AM5 mount bracket then it'll work

[tender bronze]

https://www.bykski.us/collections/am4/products/bykski-backplate-for-amd-ryzen-3-5-7-cpu-blocks-socket-am4-b-am4-be

[knotty sparrow]

Ones that use replacement backplates are specifically not compatible

The holes don't line up

[tender bronze]

Are am5 waterblocks even out yet?

[harsh crow]

Can the MSI Z690 Tomahawk mobo handle three p14s + 7 p12s?

[strange flume]

Yes

Try and get the PST ones so you get daisy chaining

[wicked helm]

it would appear that am5 waterblocks exist https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-quantum-velocity2-d-rgb-am5-nickel-plexi

[steel forge]

Yall think this is overkill for a 5600 cpu?

[marsh badge]

What did you do to it?

Swapped stock fan on the cooler for a noctua?

[steel forge]

I dug out my old pc from storage to give it a new cpu for an editing station and forgot I put this monstrosity of a noctua cooler on it.

[marsh badge]

lol

Well it should be enough

[steel forge]

1 inch away from the glass side panel lol

[marsh badge]

Even stock cooler runs fine on 5600

[steel forge]

It's got a really wierd mounting bracket and unfortunately I can't find the original.

[strange flume]

Wait

@steel forge what psu is that

[uneven solstice]

I feel like it's an E tier

[shrewd juniper]

Smart has a few diff models but i just don't trust any of the smarts

[uneven solstice]

Yeah, in the model it says SP, but on the tier list, the only SP I can find is e tier, however it also says x30w/x50w and this is a x00w

Sometimes the list is confusing to me too, so that could be why I'm not finding it as well

[shrewd juniper]

Do you have a better pic of the model number?

[strange flume]

That's a replace from from me dawg

[shrewd juniper]

Actually I can't find it on list I'd just assume it's e tier

[strange flume]

It's a smart white 600W

Big dodgy

EDIT: sorry I forgot there was a white rating for efficiency, we're still talking garbage tho lmao

The black label iirc is the regular smart, slightly better but still horrible garbage

[bright ether]

Anyone have any idea what this sound is

[strange flume]

Fan go grrrrRRRRRRRrRRrRrRrRr

Probably

[bright ether]

do u know whats causing it? Should i boot into windows and see if it still persist?

got scared and turned it off lol

[strange flume]

You should open the pc case and try to see which fan it is

Probably a fan

[bright ether]

like a fan hitting a wire?

[strange flume]

That sounds more like dying but maybe

[bright ether]

i have one spare somewhere

lets see

ok i spun all fans by hand and none of them hit any wires

turns out one of my gpu fans was hitting a wire... let me cable tie that down

[harsh crow]

How does the new v2 version of the LianLi Sl fans compare to the p12s?

[strange flume]

10% more depth isn't enough to make it as good as the P12's

[harsh crow]

How is it so hard to find a performance chart or review comparing Arctic LF2 AIOs to Corsair Elite Capellix AIOs....

[strange flume]

Idk

[harsh crow]

LF2 360mm: https://www.amazon.com.mx/gp/product/B08WRWNNZ9/ref=ox_sc_act_image_5?smid=A3LEY268BTVOGL&th=1
H170I 420mm: https://www.amazon.com.mx/CORSAIR-H170i-CW-9060055-WW-CAPELLIX-Reacondicionado/dp/B0B8TN9MR7/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_es_MX=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=1S9XL2CVWZ5TE&keywords=corsair+h170I+elite&qid=1670744311&sprefix=corsair+h170i+elit%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-3

This is making it so hard to decide, the H170I I found is refurbished by amazon but it's only a $10 difference in cost.

Could someone help me decide? I am using the Fractal Torrent case.

Decided to do the H170I as it'd look better in this giant chunker of a case but also then I can do a push/pull config reusing the 140mm fans in my case to further keep temps down.

[shrewd juniper]

Arctic any day, if you want a more appealing pump, look for the ek aio

[noble quarry]

yeah we advised you time and time again with the EK, LS or LF series and to stay clear from c*rsair products... they are mediocre at best pal

also in the same venue, push/pull is like 2% better performance at best, we already told you that as well

[noble quarry]

so this is like you are mocking us to what we advised you in all these months

[harsh crow]

I will take another look, my problem isn't the pump it's just that it feels so weird seeing a 360mm on the front of a Fractal Torrent. But if the performance is as good as you guys say, I will stick with the Arctic LF2 or go EK AIO if it's cheaper.

[harsh crow]

Sorry, I didn't mean it in that way.

[harsh crow]

Ended up going back to the LF2 360mm.

[noble quarry]

only hope that in one month you wont try the same question... again

plus you should be aware that prices change wildly on this tech thing, best to get advice just when you are about to make the purchase... if you wait longer prices could be worse, or better for other pieces

[unique lily]

PopeyeArmz#4092 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[unreal crow]

So i've got a 5600x with the stock cooler, at some point soon i've gotta clean my cpu and reapply paste onto it, should i also switch out the stock cooler for something else or is it alright? Links for suggested coolers would be appreciated. The size has to be noted too since the stock cooler is almost about to touch the ram sticks https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08166SLDF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[marsh badge]

It's not really needed, just a nice to have for lower temp and quieter operation

On the cheap end there's the likes of se 214 xt

Then there's AK620, which is quite a choker, tall but still has clearance for ram

[unreal crow]

Jesus that's huge

[marsh badge]

It's tall to give the ram sticks clearance, ya

Gotta make sure the case can take a cooler that tall

[unreal crow]

Alright i think i'm just gonna hold off on that then if it's fine as is, gonna clean it first and see how it runs normally

Thanks a ton

[dreamy locust]

How does a deepcool gammaxx GT perform compared to something like a arctic freezer eSports?

• how is it compared to the ag400?

[harsh crow]

What's the performance difference on a Pull vs Push config on an AIO?

[noble quarry]

2% at most

[harsh crow]

Interesting.

Do 360x180mm AIOs exist?

Unfortunately not.

[magic sparrow]

Can be more if you're targetting a really low noise floor.

[noble quarry]

bet no more than 5% if you compare push to push/pull.... the amount of distance to be covered by the already accelerated air is too short to be meaningful for a pull configuration on the other side

[worn loom]

hey guys so recently i noticed my kraken z3 aio cooler has been making a buzzing noise, i disconnected the fans and the noise still persist so is there air bubbles in the aio or is this another issue? I checked nxzt cam and when I raise the usage of the pump higher than 40% the noise starts but lower the noise is no longer audible what do I do?

[unreal crow]

Hey so just found out when turned i turned on my pc for the first time today about 15 minutes ago, that stock cooler i talked about had stopped spinning a couple times until it started again, so i'm thinking i gotta replace the thing maybe for the se 214 xt https://www.amazon.com/ID-COOLING-Cooler-LGA1700-Heatpipes-Cooling/dp/B09FDWPCWZ?th=1 Would this have ram clearance as well? I don't see size dimensions for this thing anywhere. and is there an alternative with near the same performance as it that doesn't include rgb (don't really need it i have enough with the ram lmao)

Also is there a software that checks temps for everything?

[marsh badge]

Yeah, that would basically fit with any ram. And to your second question, you can use hwinfo64

[sacred pagoda]

Took off my TR assassin cooler and look at the tolerance between heatpipes lol

Thank god for thermal paste

To be fair it's a $20 cooler and it does a great job on my 5600x

[rotund sable]

I hate coolers with that "coldplate" design ngl

I have a tower cooler I got for free that I use in my daily that was like yours, but way less even and with bigger gaps. I sanded it down and it's better but still awful

[idle tiger]

I see nothing wrong here, and as you said, it did a great job?

Your CPU has an IHS, and even if it didn't, it's probably be fine

[rotund sable]

Yea, i wasnt saying it would cause problems

I just dont like it for sorta arbitrary reasons

[sweet lodge]

my 390x strix had a cooler with copper pipes directly touching die, same as the 980ti, just repurposed. awful cooling

thermals were awful

had kryonaut on it, heatsink would barely saturate

sold it for like $300 aud or smth last year

on a lidded cpu it's fine, direct die like gpu it's questionable at best

[left pulsar]

I liked the direct heatpipes. Think how fast food could heat on a burner w/ a pan in the way. At least it's a lil better than this, maybe. I just filled in the small gaps. Xigmatek pretty much started this w/ their hdt coolers & they're on my 3770 & E8400 still.

[wicked helm]

hi people. hoping i can bother you with questions