old-cooling

[sacred wren]

They make lf2

Enermax is known for clogged aios

Msi, theyre mediocre. The v1 core liquid was known for pump failure

[viscid vapor]

EK, been passing those thinking generic. Brb

[sacred wren]

V2 fixed it

[strange flume]

Not aware, galahad is definitely

[viscid vapor]

Back. Trying to find a good portable NVME enclosure with fan. I purchased one two months back, and fan already died. Most just rely on heat sinks and as hot as I have seen the NVME get at times, I can't see that being good as these small cases don't seem to have a quick way to dissipate heat build up.

[coarse cove]

Lian Li SL120 v2 or Corsair ML120 RGB Elite

[noble quarry]

between both? lian li

both are horribly priced tho

but at least lian li are easier to setup and are prettier

[coarse cove]

Okay outside of those what would you pick for good looks amazing software control and good functionality

[noble quarry]

p12s, if you want rgb then the argb version of the p12s

for rgb software you should use openrgb to control all your rgb

synapse or icue or any other brand named rgb software most of the time is just bloatware

[coarse cove]

Ehh

Does have nice control though

If you have a full corsair rig

I do have a lian li case tho

[woven vale]

What should my pc fans be set t

To

[knotty sparrow]

Usually you'll want a curve set in bios so when it's idle they run minimum speed and when it's higher temp they run faster. Besides that it's a personal choice, balancing between noise and temps.

[woven vale]

dont really know how to set a curve lol

[knotty sparrow]

I don't even bother with the fan control software, it's simpler in bios

[woven vale]

oh oksuy

[woven vale]

would u help me in bios

[woven vale]

^^

[magic sparrow]

Sometimes cant change default hysteresis or wait time for fan curve tho. Can make fans be sensitive to temp spikes. Tho I find one usually only needs it for custom loop stuff, cuz need to change fans based on CPU/GPU temp.

[knotty sparrow]

I guess I'm spoiled by MSI then since I can change those things

[harsh crow]

What thermal paste do you guys recommend? For I9-13900K.

[knotty sparrow]

Best budget paste would be Arctic MX-4, top quality ones would get you 2-4 degrees better and include MX-6, NT-H2, KPX, and Kryonaut (non-extreme)

[strange flume]

Alphacool subzeerrrroooooo

[harsh crow]

I have NT-H2 in the bucket currently.

[knotty sparrow]

Ehhhh I'm not convinced on that one still

[harsh crow]

Guess I will use that.

[strange flume]

Nt-H2 is really good

[knotty sparrow]

Yep that's an older model but still excellent

[strange flume]

That was the one I got to 430W on the 13900K with

[harsh crow]

I decided on the MSI z690 Carbon WiFi board.

Seems to have all my needs and not to over the top in expense.

[strange flume]

How about pro z690-a

Does the carbon have a bios switch?

You need a bios switch

[knotty sparrow]

Alright I'll try to put it in my roster of recommendations then

[harsh crow]

Flash Bios correct?

[strange flume]

Ok good

Would still recommend pro-A

But at least you'll have it working with carbon

Just stick to 2 sticks of ddr5 whatever you do on that board

[knotty sparrow]

Carbon has a few more features they might actually use too

[strange flume]

Z690 likes 2 dimms

Not 4

[knotty sparrow]

DDR5 signal integrity in general sucks with 4 sticks

[harsh crow]

I plan to only use 2 dimms with this board.

[strange flume]

It does but it's a lot more usable on z790 for 4 dimmers

[harsh crow]

Maybe come 14tj gen I might use 4 sticks.

[strange flume]

Ddr5 should be 1dpc in general

[knotty sparrow]

"Usable" meaning you can actually use jedec on it finally?

[strange flume]

Ye it supposedly works

[harsh crow]

The pro board's price is tempting but I very much dislike the aesthetics.

[strange flume]

It's still comparably terrible but nothing like before

[knotty sparrow]

It was really quite pathetic with Z690 4x memory, so many boards couldn't even boot with default settings and would be stuck in a training loop

[strange flume]

https://youtu.be/SWSfA5b41Kc

[harsh crow]

Would there be any issues in sticking my current M.2 drives into the new Mobo/system?

[strange flume]

On a gigabyte no less

[harsh crow]

Also if I stop msging in a moment it's because I am out of power.

[strange flume]

Not really but if you didn't have a 12900K on your last fresh install of windows then you'll want a brand new install

[harsh crow]

So I will need to reinstall windows.

[knotty sparrow]

If the only thing you're changing is the CPU then you can use the current install and just update the chipset drivers

If you're changing more than that a reinstall is highly recommended

[harsh crow]

My current system is using a I7-10700.

[knotty sparrow]

Then yes you'll definitely want to reinstall, it's a totally different platform

[harsh crow]

Got it. So do a fresh install.

Here I come Win11!

[unreal saffron]

Hey friends long time no see

is anyone in here a cooling expert by any chance

i have some super weird thermal issues

[strange flume]

Expert and discord don't go together but I'm willing to help

[unreal saffron]

I was wondering, have yall had experience with fan speed just NOT helping the CPU temps

lolol true

[strange flume]

Lemme guess

Instant 90C?

100C?

Is this under load or idle

[unreal saffron]

ive had bad thermals since my new build tbh and ive just dealth with it for a year

and its about time i fix it bc i throttle my fps

and im getting 4090 strix asap

[strange flume]

Please don't buy the strix

[unreal saffron]

and im worried ill burn the dang house down

[strange flume]

It's a waste of $200

[unreal saffron]

now actually

yes, youre right

but im a sucker for the brrand

[strange flume]

The suprim x beats it for 200 less

No I'm serious the suprim is better in every department

Suprim or msrp

Suprim wins in thermals and power layout

Strix doesn't even have that going for it this gen

[unreal saffron]

trust me man i fully believe you

its crazy that i want it

but i do

lol

my entire build is ROG

[strange flume]

Ehhh get tuf at msrp if you wanna simp

Anyway, tell me your throttling issue

What's your specs, what's your cooler

[unreal saffron]

gotcha

Corsair h150i elite LCD
5950x
Crosshair VIII Extreme
3090 Strix

128gb 3600mhz cas 16 trident z elites

tons of ssds and hdds

And heres the thing i JUST replaced all my fans yesterday so thats where everything is weird to me

bc it ... kinda helped?

[strange flume]

Replaced fans to what from what

[unreal saffron]

I stopped capping my FPS in apex and its... better. but still sometimes hitting 90 and mid 80s however thats the weird part.... sometimes its very manageable.

but randomly the temp spikes, when im not doing anything different

and even when i close everything it either doesnt cool down or takes a while to

[strange flume]

^

[unreal saffron]

and when i change the fans speeds to go higher, that doesnt make a difference

sorry

[strange flume]

Also do something like a load test for me and tell me the frequency it drops to

[unreal saffron]

Corsair QL 120s were on my rad and a QL 140 in the back

and the stock ROG strix fans that come in the helios casee

[strange flume]

And what are on them now?

[unreal saffron]

I replaced with 3 noctuas, and all Lian li's

[strange flume]

Ah that's why

[unreal saffron]

the new infinitys and a 140

[strange flume]

QL's suck

[unreal saffron]

thats what you'd think right

[strange flume]

Infinity's are marginally better but noctuas are usually better

[unreal saffron]

i just didnt care to replace before

but i replaced now and like... YEAH its better but...

the stuff i mentioned to you before is the weird parts

[strange flume]

Ok so what I want you to do is 2 things

[unreal saffron]

gotcha

Appreciate your help brother

[strange flume]

1. Answer a question: any cpu oc?
2. Do any load test and tell me what all core frequency it's doing

[unreal saffron]

Ive been battling this random issue on and off for a year

[strange flume]

It sounds like a bad mount to me

[unreal saffron]

I was OC my CPU a while ago like a year ago to run faster ram but then i stopped

[strange flume]

But I need a load test to know

[unreal saffron]

Load test

mkay

[strange flume]

Ok undo any cpu oc

Any load test will do

Cinebench is fine

[unreal saffron]

Got it

let me very quickly make sure im not OC

[strange flume]

You can enable pbo if you like

[unreal saffron]

going to bios now

[strange flume]

Pbo just unlocks power really (better frequency as a result but also not really)

So it'll help if you wanted to enable it

[unreal saffron]

How does one do that

[strange flume]

Go to your cpu settings or 'AMD Overclocking'

[unreal saffron]

Okay so before

[strange flume]

Look for "precision boost overdrive"

And enable

Not manual

Not auto

Enable

Anything else? Default

[unreal saffron]

I was overclocking the SOC. Just made sure it wasnt still overclocked, and it wasnt

Bet

[strange flume]

Ram you can leave alone

SoC is fine just not over 1.15V

[unreal saffron]

Like this sir?

Was a lil confused on what else@to@change all i changed so far was the top thing

To enabled haha

[strange flume]

Turn off fmax enhancer

Then precision boost overdrive enabled

Scalar leave auto or 1x

Max cpu throttle limit will auto to 90, or put 90 to be sure

You don't want it over 95C

Leave clock override to auto

And then you're good

[unreal saffron]

Bing chilling?

This is just the automatic clock boosting stuff i assume?

[strange flume]

Yup looks good

Go try a load test now

[unreal saffron]

Bet

[strange flume]

F10 and save

[unreal saffron]

Yerrrr

Booting now

[knotty sparrow]

PBO allows the CPU to use more power as long as there's thermal headroom up to the limit, which allows the clock speed to stay higher for longer

[unreal saffron]

My boot@times are slow af

I have so many drives yeet

[strange flume]

Lol

[unreal saffron]

Gotcha thank you man! Also hi!

[strange flume]

As long as your boot drive is an SSD that isn't full you're good

[unreal saffron]

That guy above has helped me lots in the past

Good to see he’s still around

[knotty sparrow]

Speaking of SSD I need to check on my order...

[unreal saffron]

Just booted

[knotty sparrow]

lol I'm definitely still around, no plans to leave any time soon

[unreal saffron]

Should i run multicore cinebench?

What SSD did you snag bro?

[knotty sparrow]

1TB MP33 plus a free SD card for $51

[unreal saffron]

Niiiice

Running a multithread cinebench rn

[knotty sparrow]

Oooooh it's at my post office, should be delivered tomorrow

[unreal saffron]

Are you swapping drives for you os?

[strange flume]

Ok lemme know what the cpu frequency is

What cpu frequency, during the test

Will tell me what's wrong

[knotty sparrow]

What I'm doing is upgrading my old reliable 256GB SSD (that still reports 100% health 5 years later) and giving the old one to my brother in law

[unreal saffron]

I see i see nice

Whats ur main build looking like these days?

[knotty sparrow]

Temps look good, low 80s is normal for that chip

[unreal saffron]

Is it normal when playing games?

[knotty sparrow]

Link is in my profile

[unreal saffron]

Cuz i will sometimes hit 85-92

If i dont cap my fps to 80

Ignore the rainbow

[strange flume]

That looks perfectly fine

[unreal saffron]

But thats what i got going rn

[knotty sparrow]

Nice

[strange flume]

Cinebench isn't the worst load test but those temps are normal

What it may have been is fmax enhancer

Fmax pushes more amperage through for max frequency

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah that probably bumped the voltage

[unreal saffron]

We’ll see if it cools down

Oh the enhancer wasnt on before

[strange flume]

Fmax helps but it's also bleeding edge perf

[unreal saffron]

I just thought u said to put that on

[strange flume]

Ah ok

[unreal saffron]

so in the first pic i sent it was on haha

Ye ye

But yeah idk man

[strange flume]

Maybe we fixed it by consequence?

Kekw

[unreal saffron]

Lemme find a message i posted

[strange flume]

You shouldn't see it spiking beyond sanity temps now

If you do, that's because you're pushing the cpu really hard

Cinebench is AVX but it's light AVX

[unreal saffron]

^

[strange flume]

You could do prime 95 if you wanted to be certain of temps but those look fine imo

Yeah

If you mean more than like a degree or two

[unreal saffron]

Is that a common thing

[strange flume]

Then yes in this case

What it is

Is AMD has a much thicker IHS

So it'll spike

Often equally as high

Then take a looonnnggg time to come down

[unreal saffron]

Its odd that it gets so hot in games

But i mean it makes sense

Gpu pusbing hot air or whatever

[strange flume]

The IHS on ryzen is a bottleneck

[knotty sparrow]

Especially that 2x8 core design, with the hotspot off center

[unreal saffron]

Aaaaa

[strange flume]

Ya you get me now?

Haha

[unreal saffron]

Not sure if yall are familiar with my case

But thats also an issue

[strange flume]

Ryzen 7000 is even worse with this

[unreal saffron]

That im@stubborn about fixing

[knotty sparrow]

The ROG case? It's not too bad at least

[strange flume]

Ok well

[unreal saffron]

Yes

[strange flume]

Run prime 95 then

[strange flume]

If prime 95 you stay under 90C with small ftt's

[unreal saffron]

This big glass panel HAHA

[strange flume]

Then you're fine

[unreal saffron]

Like

[strange flume]

Ya the glass doesn't help at all

[unreal saffron]

Is it OKAY to have my cpu running so high

[knotty sparrow]

p95 WILL hit your max temp it's more a matter of how long it takes to get there

[unreal saffron]

I just dont get what changes sometjmes

[strange flume]

I'd reasonably expect 3.8 all core small ftt's prime 95 with your setup

[knotty sparrow]

It's designed to run at the rated temp of 95C 24/7 for the duration of the warranty

[strange flume]

And that's still fine

[unreal saffron]

Bc really i was playing apex right and it was awesome hitting like only 70c. Then randomly boom im at like 88 degrees and im@like what- nothing changed it just teleported

And doesnt cool down lol

Even with fans blasting

[knotty sparrow]

That's ryzen all right lol

[unreal saffron]

So i was wondering if i should reapply paste again, remount, etc

Just so weird ya know what i mean

Weird to see

[strange flume]

Ryzen moment

You could do offset mounting on the board if it fits

[unreal saffron]

When im looking at it from a logical standpoint without too much inside knowledge

[strange flume]

But yeah, looks normal to me

[unreal saffron]

Gotcha

[strange flume]

Ryzen just runs hot af

[unreal saffron]

Really now?

THAT

Is interesting knowledge

My friend insists intel is supposed to run way hotter is that true

I always thought ryzen was the hotter one

[strange flume]

Intel generally runs cooler

Due to better ihs

But they yeet the power

[knotty sparrow]

It's allowed to run hotter, modern ones are capped at 100 or 105C

[strange flume]

So it runs much hotter if it wants to

[unreal saffron]

Test completed now im idling at 53 nice.

[strange flume]

53 idle is completely normal

That's better than my 5900X

[unreal saffron]

My usual idle was

Like

65-75

Before new fans

These fans are sooo cool man haha

[strange flume]

Lol, that's cos QL fans

QL fans literally rubbish

[knotty sparrow]

What's funny is the 5800X runs hotter than the 5950X because there's more power per core in a denser area

[strange flume]

Coming from someone who's owned QL

QL sucks

[unreal saffron]

Corsair fans never did me favors

Actually

Corsair as a whole

Im not a fan of personally

[strange flume]

Corsair does some good stuff

PSU and cases

[unreal saffron]

intersting

[strange flume]

But that's really it

[unreal saffron]

true

[strange flume]

Everything else is a hard pass

[unreal saffron]

Im very happy they made a thing

uhhh

like an amperage balancer thingy

[strange flume]

Corsair has had a very long time in the psu business

[unreal saffron]

it takes power from 12v rail and converts for 5v use

[strange flume]

[knotty sparrow]

That sounds like an inverter

[unreal saffron]

it came out earlier this year and thats how i run my lighting without blowing up my house

[strange flume]

LOL

[unreal saffron]

lemme show yall the whole thing rq

[knotty sparrow]

Ah yeah one of the RGB adapters

[strange flume]

Just use less rgb my guy

[unreal saffron]

i have like 1200 lights im gross ik

and i will buy a strix 4090

ik

im a failure

a disgrace to the community

lol

[knotty sparrow]

I just used my USB 2.0 header with an adapter for argb on my old board

[strange flume]

Well you'll win the asus fans over

[knotty sparrow]

There is a non-insignificant number of those fans too

[unreal saffron]

obv i can control the stuff in signal

all these are run through the argb headers its nuts lol

only usb for the cooler

[unreal saffron]

thats actually pretty smart

never thought of that myself

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/rgb-accessories/argb-led-controller/

[unreal saffron]

i see i see

[knotty sparrow]

Plus this https://www.amazon.com/Duttek-2-Pack-Motherboard-Adapter-Extended/dp/B072Q1MBSG?th=1

[unreal saffron]

coolermaster is a company i like a lot acvtually

[knotty sparrow]

They have some pretty cool stuff, including things no other brand does

[unreal saffron]

definitely cool stuff

you know the h500m

[strange flume]

They unironically just make something good once and never look back

[unreal saffron]

so underrated man

legitimately one of the best cases ever at a good price

my opinion tho

yall play apex?

[knotty sparrow]

I'm not really into shooters personally

[strange flume]

I fix things and work

Lately

[unreal saffron]

what do you do?

I also fix things :)

So ending consensus is- you guys think im good running at like near 90 sometimes?

specifically when playing game

[knotty sparrow]

That's fine yeah, as long as it's not dropping clocks too hard

[unreal saffron]

okay gotcha

[strange flume]

It just sounds like ryzen bein ryzen to me

[unreal saffron]

also i have 2 questions im 99% sure youll know

[unreal saffron]

thought so

[knotty sparrow]

Yep especially the 8 core CCD ones

[strange flume]

Also btw, before you ask

5950X, 4090 at 4K I hope

1440p you'll be hard bottlenecked

By the cpu

4090 you want 13600K at the minimum

Or 5800x3d

/12900K

[unreal saffron]

yes yes

[strange flume]

Ok good

[unreal saffron]

im running 4k

[strange flume]

Just making sure

Ok hit me with your best questions

[unreal saffron]

but tbh i dont have a good pc for games, im a filmmaker/designer/animator

and i have a cam shooting 8k raw

[strange flume]

Makes sense

[unreal saffron]

yes yes

thank you for everything

question is : Why is ddr5 latency HIGHER than ddr4?

[knotty sparrow]

Proper use of that hardware then

[strange flume]

Still worth a check cos you mentioned apex

[strange flume]

1 main reason, architecture is different

But latency isn't truly slower, let me explain rq

[knotty sparrow]

DDR5 implements a lot of changes that make the primary timings almost useless also

[strange flume]

With ddr5, what you have is they changed the single channel bit bus to dual channel, so the data rate exchange is much cleaner

Number 1

Number 2

Where it counts for this

They made the burst length twice as long

So in one sequence, ddr5 reads twice as much in one burst over ddr4

[unreal saffron]

oh totally. I higher appreciate absolutely all info you guys give me a lot so thank you tons.

[strange flume]

Leading to higher densities

[shrewd juniper]

Counting with felix?

[unreal saffron]

reading this stuff now

[strange flume]

By doubling the burst length, you double the latency

But it's still reading as fast or faster

Now, this results in some net positives versus net negatives

It depends on cache and ram usage per game

Some games like ddr4 more as it doesn't rely or stress the ram as much and is more intensive (think, cs:go)

Others love ddr5 and leverage it's higher capabilities and better bandwidth capacity because of the heavier ram need (think: new Spiderman)

[knotty sparrow]

All that boils down to this: You cannot compare basic specs of different generations of architecture in general, in any PC component. More than just the basic specs change generationally.

[strange flume]

Pretty much

[knotty sparrow]

A 2080 ti at 2800MHz isn't the same as a 4080 at 2800MHz

[strange flume]

But ddr5 is ultimately better, relying on just the latency is a fallacy of one's own undoing as by nature it won't be as good on that front (but not for long)

Soon ddr5 will match ddr4 latency

8000+ I believe is where the line blurs there

[shrewd juniper]

Not too sure on this but ik that more cache doesn't make a difference for csgo although csgo does love faster ram at least on ddr4 I'd assume the same on ddr5 too

[strange flume]

But again, latency is just one of many basic specs that don't weigh out the full perf

[strange flume]

You're right, but when it does want ram, it likes lower latency

[knotty sparrow]

This is a fun one to listen to if you want to jump into the rabbit hole for latency https://youtu.be/pgb8N23tsfA

[strange flume]

Cas latency yeah is another part of the ram world that means even less than actual measured rough latency

Cas latency means jack versus most of any other ram timing

[unreal saffron]

gotcha.

[strange flume]

So using that to measure actual latency using some of those net calculators is useless

Easy example, b die 3600 16-16-16 has better overall latency than a hynix 3600 16-19-19 kit

A calculator wouldn't tell you that tho

[unreal saffron]

hmmm i see isee

very interesting

[strange flume]

And again, latency is pretty meaningless in the scale of every timing a ram has at it's disposal

[unreal saffron]

wowww

i gotta watch that video

[strange flume]

That youtube channel is good for learning a lot of this stuff

If you want to brush up on what ram really is he's a fantastic source

[unreal saffron]

sounds awesome looking at this rn

so is ddr5 like

a MASSIVE leap from ddr4 or

not so much

[knotty sparrow]

TL:DW Most things don't care about latency, even the tightest of the tight timings actually scores lower in AIDA64

[strange flume]

As far as what changes it's a big jump

You get much higher frequencies which lead to bigger read gains and soon similar latencies

[knotty sparrow]

It's a pretty huge jump but it's not something that we can fully utilize yet

[strange flume]

For some workloads this is enormous

For stuff like, I think compression decompression?

Ddr5 is already enormously better

It's like a night and day difference since the primary metric, bandwidth, went way up

[unreal saffron]

i see

so overtime the latency numbers are expected to drop?

[unreal saffron]

thats exactly what i need

[strange flume]

Yes as speeds get better, again, don't rely on latency as the only metric

[unreal saffron]

the most important thing for me is the GB

[strange flume]

While latency would then be similar it's now double the bandwidth

[unreal saffron]

which is why i dont have ddr5 i was thinking of skipping this CPU gen

[strange flume]

So twice as fast outright

[knotty sparrow]

DDR5 can double the density of DDR4

[strange flume]

As a result of double the burst length iirc

Maybe die shrink and I'm actually wrong lol

[unreal saffron]

density?

as in amount of GB ?

[knotty sparrow]

Essentially yes

[strange flume]

Yes and no

[unreal saffron]

I just heard it wasnt stable enough to run 128

[strange flume]

But yeah means more gb per stick

It's not

[knotty sparrow]

More GB per chip on the stick

[strange flume]

Not yet

[knotty sparrow]

64GB is the hard limit so far, mostly due to IMC issues so CPUs need to catch up

[shrewd juniper]

True, when i get my 13600 i might do some testing for different timings if i remember but only ddr4 ofc

[knotty sparrow]

So when you start tuning for DDR5 remember everything you know about DDR4 and then yeet it out of your brain

Literally every aspect of overclocking memory has changed

[unreal saffron]

yessss

okay so the stuff i heard was accurate

sweet lol

in that case im holding off on this CPU gen

in hopes the next one can handle 128gb

since, for what i do at least, thats my biggest tool that i need

just a lottt

of ram

[knotty sparrow]

I'm also holding off on platform upgrading for a bit. My personal rule is simple, never buy the first model on a new platform.

[unreal saffron]

I see they already made a new version of my mobo for the new chips, i didnt think that would come out so soon.

stupidly expensive tho

yeah thats a

great personal rule haha

[knotty sparrow]

Applies to cars too

[unreal saffron]

im one that likes to test out new tech and suffer dealing with the problems

ugh

SPECIFICALLY

with my car

never had more problems with "new tech" than my dang car lol

[shrewd juniper]

Ez just join 13th gen

[knotty sparrow]

I don't like to buy into a dead platform either

[strange flume]

Kekw

Secret amd simp confirmed

[unreal saffron]

It feels like the universe just wants me to suffer tho, i dont think ive ever bought new technology that worked how it was supposed to

[shrewd juniper]

So just never buy intel kekw?

[strange flume]

Ryzen 8000 when

[unreal saffron]

lol

INTEL NEVER

[strange flume]

Sounds american ngl

[knotty sparrow]

Secret? lol it's never been secret I literally have never owned an Intel CPU except when building for others

[unreal saffron]

yes

one of the most american made cars in the world actually

LOL

[strange flume]

Do yourself a favour and sell your american car

Then get something more reliable

[unreal saffron]

lolololol

[knotty sparrow]

Hey now my GM car's leaks give it character

[unreal saffron]

nah i love my car too much its an art project

passionate about it too

[strange flume]

I think the only american brand I could just blankly give a pass is a ford

[unreal saffron]

I have a ford as welll

[strange flume]

And even then

[unreal saffron]

but im a tech junky so

i like the people who are pushing tech hard

[strange flume]

You're modding it?

[shrewd juniper]

So you had the joy of the fx cpus as well then

[knotty sparrow]

Found On Road Dead? Fix Or Repair Daily?

[unreal saffron]

Depends on what you consider modded

its an electric car so not many "mods" to do to the exhaust or engine

[knotty sparrow]

Yes the joy of the class action lawsuit and all

[unreal saffron]

but ive done a tons of aesthetic mods

[shrewd juniper]

I've never heard the first but I've deff head fix or repair daily

[knotty sparrow]

I still have my 8300

[strange flume]

Ahhhh Ford electric

Yes I forgot these

[shrewd juniper]

Dads using my old fx6300 and will be going to 3600 when i go to 13600

Uwu

[strange flume]

Especially if it's that electric mustang

Those I hear aren't very good

[unreal saffron]

i love the mach e actuyally

no no my ford isnt electric

i have a second car

ford edge

thing is a beast

my electric one is tezzzzla

[strange flume]

Well tesla is your own undoing

[knotty sparrow]

I feel like Ford is intentionally making bad electrics to hold back the industry but that's just me I think

[strange flume]

Random bumpers falling off? Tesla

[unreal saffron]

lolol you hate tesla?

a lot of people do

[strange flume]

I don't hate tesla

[unreal saffron]

kekekek

[strange flume]

I'm just conscious of reliability

[unreal saffron]

they are reliable USUALLY

[knotty sparrow]

I don't hate Tesla cars, I hate Tesla company

[strange flume]

See you saying usually inspires no confidence

[unreal saffron]

ive had problems with mine again cuz i bought a brand new remake

remodel

when it was brand new

and bc i just got unlucky

[unreal saffron]

fair tbh

Im a classic tesla fan

[strange flume]

Tesla's also have the awful problem of replacing the batteries every 6 years

[unreal saffron]

but i dont doubt the problems

[strange flume]

For like, 28 grand

28 grand

New car? Nah just my batteries

[knotty sparrow]

I like having some degree of control over my car and Tesla just laughs and disables your fast charge for no reason

[shrewd juniper]

That's just a normal thing for electric cars also you don't need to you can just live with not as good performance as before

[strange flume]

Ofc but it's the value of a new car

[knotty sparrow]

(Dealer discovers aftermarket side skirts) "Well we got another one to gimp"

[strange flume]

On a prius it's 6 grand at most

And that's still not good

[unreal saffron]

Where did you hear ab that

[strange flume]

That's the price you offset for paying fuel, economically it's inequitable

Tesla doesn't even get that close considering the prius

[unreal saffron]

am i allowed to send links in here of personal content?

[shrewd juniper]

Yeah 28 grand doesn't sound right tbh, on our leaf i think we where quoted something like 8k to replace a battery tho or something redicolous

[knotty sparrow]

Personally I heard it from Rich Rebuilds on Youtube where he dealt with the issue several times

[strange flume]

See? And then tesla gets the gross premium price

I'm all for Tesla

Don't get me wrong

[shrewd juniper]

Indeed

[strange flume]

When it makes sense

I'm all for Tesla

[knotty sparrow]

You cannot repair a salvage title tesla, they simply don't allow it. And if you do they auto disable a bunch of features, especially fast charging.

[strange flume]

I'm not paying 80K USD then paying the price of a new car 6 years later when a 30K sedan can do just as well and I donate to initiatives instead

[shrewd juniper]

Still tho 8k when like we bought the car in 2017 they said we could replace cells only or something and whole thing would be like 5k i think

But yeah 28k is redicolous

[knotty sparrow]

https://youtu.be/T7Q0nNkQTCo

[strange flume]

It might be 28K AUD

Ok nvm it was usd

LOL

One guy blew his tesla up over it

He bought it second hand for like 50K, found out about the batteries

Blew it up with c4

[unreal saffron]

OK OK HEAR ME OUT...

thats the oldest model s with the old poopy batteries

the newer ones are rated to last longer and have way better range

that being said yes the batteries are a problem

[strange flume]

Fair, but they still will charge that replacement rate eventually

[unreal saffron]

there are new cells that are coming out those in the 3 and Y

[strange flume]

And that makes them ewaste

[unreal saffron]

yes thats definitely a problem

but have you felt how fast they are teehee

[strange flume]

Ye

Oh yeah they can be really nice cars

Just, I wouldn't, not yet

[knotty sparrow]

This is the highest charge the car in the vid could do

[strange flume]

Lol

There's a new EV I would 100% buy tho

[unreal saffron]

wtf

yeah the new ones dont do that

ive NEVEr seen that before

[shrewd juniper]

49 miles??

[unreal saffron]

thats weird haha

[strange flume]

I would buy an eclipse cross EV

[knotty sparrow]

The reason Tesla wanted so much to replace the battery was the connector to the battery was damaged by a rock hitting the undercarriage

[strange flume]

It's a hybrid that gets 1.1 L/100KM

[shrewd juniper]

Agh makes sense

[strange flume]

And it uses a standard wall plug

[knotty sparrow]

So of course they need to rip the entire car apart to replace a single connector

[strange flume]

The batteries are also cheap

So it won't be gross to maintain

So it makes economical sense

[shrewd juniper]

Trust me you don't wanna use a wall charger unless it's as a last resort

[strange flume]

It's a petrol hybrid

It doesn't even need the plug

Lol

[knotty sparrow]

But I like charging at 12 miles per hour

[strange flume]

Plug is just a nice to have

[shrewd juniper]

12? That sounds generous

I've heard like 5

[knotty sparrow]

That's a dual outlet plug that can do 11-12

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh

[strange flume]

Again, doesn't need the plug, it's a hybrid

This isn't a leaf or model s

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[knotty sparrow]

Hybrids are banned for sale in my state as of 2025 tho

[strange flume]

Fun

Sounds silly

[unreal saffron]

any1 know/

[knotty sparrow]

Any gas powered car

[shrewd juniper]

Yeye i getcha just saying you don't really wanna use a walk charger even on a hybrid, fast chargers in homes will become normal anyway and wat more convenient

[strange flume]

Meanwhile the rest of the world slowly making economic sense of electric

So Fal is californian?

[knotty sparrow]

You can if you want but if it's something like your personal youtube channel it goes in #links-and-selfpromotion

[unreal saffron]

okay i just wanna show u guys since were on the topic and he asked ab mods

no need to click but ill hide the thumbnail

[strange flume]

You're good @unreal saffron , I ain't a hater really

Just I'm well spoken

[shrewd juniper]

Can't wait for the day when petrol stations are rare and all you can find is an electric charger

[strange flume]

Lolol

[knotty sparrow]

So the exact opposite of now?

[shrewd juniper]

Yes

[strange flume]

Damn, all those trucks without a station huh

[unreal saffron]

i dropped the link in there!

[strange flume]

Feels like the country would stop rq

[shrewd juniper]

Because it's just a fact petrol places will eventually either go bankrupt or go to electric eventually

[knotty sparrow]

They're making electric rigs too, they can load them up with HUGE batteries since size isn't an issue

[strange flume]

Sure, but range is still a huge problem

It's not better range just equivalent capacity for need

[knotty sparrow]

Not any more of a problem than it is now

[strange flume]

Remember, an electric rig needs to use more power to cruise over an ICE

Far more power

[unreal saffron]

oh nah i didnt think so haha

so many people hate teslas with all their heart bro

people with real criticisms are no issue

[shrewd juniper]

New high end electrics are now out ranging combustion cars though

[strange flume]

What

[knotty sparrow]

Is that a wrap on the car @unreal saffron , looks pretty sweet

[strange flume]

I haven't seen any full electric pass 500km yet

My car does over double that

(yes I've actually measured 1030km)

[shrewd juniper]

You haven't? Pretty sure one of the new teslas does 500miles or something

[strange flume]

That's still not better than a normal car rn

Lol

[shrewd juniper]

Than some

[strange flume]

And 500km is in prime conditions

[knotty sparrow]

https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/g32634624/ev-longest-driving-range/

[shrewd juniper]

For example, in 2021, the median gas car range (on one full tank) in the U.S. was around 413 miles (664 km)

[unreal saffron]

yes it is and it was a pain in the BUTT to get it that way

[strange flume]

Those estimates aren't actually real numbers tho

[unreal saffron]

thank you man haaha

[strange flume]

Irl you get much lower than real estimates cos there's no idle on a highway

[unreal saffron]

actually today the tesla semi just came out

that does 500 miles

[strange flume]

You get that mileage in a dense city area

Like, bumper to bumper traffic is where an electric shines

[shrewd juniper]

You'll get more than that in a city

[unreal saffron]

Lucid is good

and cool

[shrewd juniper]

Those numbers are usually an avg

[strange flume]

Idk, I'm always a skeptic

[unreal saffron]

yeee

[knotty sparrow]

That lucid is insane really, almost 1k hrspr

[strange flume]

Every new ev review I hear about the mileage is gross on a highway

Like that new raptor

[unreal saffron]

it is

[strange flume]

Claimed like, 400km range+

On a highway? 90km

[shrewd juniper]

I can tell you i have experience driving them, it highly depends on the speed you're going

[unreal saffron]

lucid still doesnt beat the plaid muahaha

but their top end one is supposed to match it

but thats all

[strange flume]

Before it's cited, with the extended battery pack btw

[unreal saffron]

fake numbers until launch

[shrewd juniper]

120kmph eats battery, 90kmph is like half the battery usage

[knotty sparrow]

The plaid+ is 1020 hrspr so only a little more

[strange flume]

@unreal saffron tesla looks nice btw

[unreal saffron]

yee

the acceleration can be different

the lucid air at least is pretty far behind in accel

which is the fun part

but it has a really cool motorized screen

so sick

[shrewd juniper]

If only the plaid+ was going to out

[unreal saffron]

Thanks man i worked really hard on it haha

[unreal saffron]

whats that mean :o

[shrewd juniper]

They keep delaying it

It was supposed to come out in 2021 i think

[knotty sparrow]

It was announced june 2021

[strange flume]

Half the usage from 90/400 is like, 180/400

It's still not better

I wanna believe you man

[unreal saffron]

wait your actually talking plaid+

[strange flume]

But the stuff I read tells a way different story

[unreal saffron]

not just plaid with a typo

that got cancelled, i completely forgot about plaid+

[knotty sparrow]

Ah, it was indeed canceled

[unreal saffron]

This is the strongest lucid

its completely made up lol they havent done any of those numbers yet

[shrewd juniper]

I wasn't imagining things so

[unreal saffron]

yeah

[knotty sparrow]

Someone apparently never had to drive across 4 states before

[unreal saffron]

yes i rmr that

when he said that

plaids also dont have the new cells

they werent ready yet

but its great range, i have the 21" and i still get 350 miles, usually closed to 300 cuz i floor it or its cold out

[knotty sparrow]

Another fun Tesla issue https://youtu.be/87poTGAasbE

What I really can't wait for is nuclear diamond batteries to replace lithium

We're pretty close, they've passed initial testing and prototyping

[strange flume]

You got nanotube batteries before that

Waiting for those as well

[knotty sparrow]

NDB are expected on the open market Q3 2023 though

And they self charge

[strange flume]

Self charge? I haven't heard anything about these ones

Sounds like they fix the battery problem

I'm interested

[knotty sparrow]

The science behind them sounds like it's straight out of a sci fi I swear

[strange flume]

[knotty sparrow]

https://youtu.be/qeVOFydscAo

[unreal saffron]

heard about those

actually insane

i just saw my cpu temp below 50

😍

Thanks guys

[knotty sparrow]

So here's a quick rundown, scientists discovered diamonds generate electricity when exposed to certain radiation, like that from decaying nuclear waste. So they said, why not pack that into a battery cell? It'll charge itself and never have to be replaced because of the half-life on nuclear waste. And they generate less radiation than your cell phone.

[unreal saffron]

lol

[strange flume]

Interesting, how quick do they say they can self charge?

[unreal saffron]

verrry cool

[strange flume]

Cos half life is basically permanent

But also a concern

[unreal saffron]

less radiation than phone is interesting

[strange flume]

Hmm ok

But how quick do they charge

[knotty sparrow]

Skip to 5:05

It's still prototype so hard to say exactly

[strange flume]

That's actually fascinating

I mean we've long known carbon carries conductivity properties

So it's cool to see diamond now demonstrating those properties

Oooo they use nuclear waste???

[knotty sparrow]

Plus it'll make some of that nuclear waste actually useful

[strange flume]

Nuclear plants will have no offsets!!

That's actually awesome

[knotty sparrow]

It sounds like a magic bullet solution to so many problems straight out of a sci fi

[strange flume]

You're right

It really does

Wtf

Wth they dropped it into a volcano

[knotty sparrow]

It self charges enough that small IoT devices like your smart watch will never need to be charged, ever

Imagine charging your smartphone once a month

[unreal saffron]

Was that thing you guys had me do supposed to help with temperature

directly

bc it seems pretty nice rn

[knotty sparrow]

It can in some circumstances

[unreal saffron]

gotcha

[knotty sparrow]

More like it's removing certain limiters

[unreal saffron]

thought so

interested, you have any personal tips on getting a gpu that has no dang stock anywhere

been hunting since launch

[knotty sparrow]

Look in stores, not online if you're looking for 40 series

Bots still rule the online sales

[unreal saffron]

its insane

I try buying off people ususally for hard to find stuff

or bestbuy drops

newegg is botted to death man

most of the time you wont even see add to cart lol

[knotty sparrow]

Funny thing is the only people that seem to be buying 4080s are the ones running the bots since if you go to a microcenter they have full shelves of them

[unreal saffron]

yep

4080 shouldnt even exist tbh

[knotty sparrow]

I heard some stores ended launch day with more stock than they started with

[unreal saffron]

so lame why are they making so many of those but no 4090s

it just doesnt make any sense lol

[knotty sparrow]

They rushed it to market because they're threatened by AMD

[knotty sparrow]

Full charge in 12 minutes with a battery the size of an iPhone's. I'm starting to get Fallout vibes.

[unreal saffron]

i see.

those batteries are nuts wowwws

[knotty sparrow]

Nvidia is competing directly with AMD in every tier for the first time ever so you can't really blame them for feeling the pressure

[knotty sparrow]

Another thing to add to that, they'll be similar in price to current batteries since nuclear plants might pay NDB to remove their waste, offsetting costs

[unreal saffron]

i see i see

yo wait i may have a stupid question

isnt nuclear power just like insanely OP

like whats the downside

why isnt everything nuclear

[knotty sparrow]

Yes nuclear power has enormous potential but the issue has been harnessing it safely

[unreal saffron]

is that the only problem

cuz ik like one wrong move and you get major issues

but i also know its easyt

[knotty sparrow]

Current reactors use highly volatile elements and break them down in fission, releasing massive amounts of heat and other energy, as well as radiation and waste byproducts.

[unreal saffron]

and isnt it like completely safe for environment

other than radiation

[strange flume]

Wtf

Fal you're hard selling me stop it

[unreal saffron]

May I ask

what yalls career path's are

[knotty sparrow]

The waste materials are a huge issue for nuclear energy, storing it safely where it won't contaminate the surrounding environment.

I'm a network engineer running a small team

[strange flume]

I'm an engineer in training

Mechanical

[unreal saffron]

I see i see.

but its by far the most power humans have access to yes

[unreal saffron]

so cool

[unreal saffron]

and also so cool

[strange flume]

I'm a bit mindblown ngl

That fixes the battery problem

Even if it costs thousands

My phone will last until it actually runs like crap, not the battery going bad

Cars will last and be feasible and lower carbon footprint

[knotty sparrow]

What's new about the NDB is that it utilizes the waste byproduct's natural shedding of radiation and stores it safely, converting that radiation directly into power the same way a solar panel can.

[strange flume]

NDB and using nuclear waste is the coolest part imo

A horrible byproduct now suddenly a commercial luxury

Insane

[knotty sparrow]

Yes nuclear power is the strongest energy source in the universe that we know of, besides potential matter/antimatter reactions

It's literally the same energy the sun produces on a smaller scale

[strange flume]

For all reasonable sense it's enough power by logic

Well never see the end of it truly

[knotty sparrow]

I'm getting strong Fallout vibes from this now, nuclear batteries for everything

Even they never imagined the self charging part though

[strange flume]

Nuclear batteries are very similar

But not on this scale

Well this was by far the coolest thing I learned today

And I got to see a PC the size of my pinky (series S chip)

[knotty sparrow]

Did you catch this part btw felix

[strange flume]

Yes

I'm mindblown rn

This will make nuclear the cleanest energy

Nuclear is incredibly efficient and clean rn, but this makes it even better

[knotty sparrow]

It's already the cleanest energy by most metrics, this will just make it better

Yeah exactly lol

[strange flume]

Haha we're echoing again

[knotty sparrow]

This "multi-hundred Watt" thermoelectric generator from the Voyager spacecraft

Is being replaced by a battery this size

[unreal saffron]

thank you

very interesting stuf

i just watched interstellar so my underlying love for science is peaked tonight

lol

[knotty sparrow]

Ooh fun

[unreal saffron]

Also guys i think i actually just figured out some of the problem

it seems obvious, but other testing just made it seem not likely

I think my temps get so hot sometimes just cuz my room is actually that hot

from my pc

i didnt think it was possible that was the case lol

[knotty sparrow]

Ambient temp will have an impact on your case temps yeah

[unreal saffron]

im not a dummy ik that makes me sound dumb obv that was like one of the first things i considered but

some tests said otherwise

like before my new fans, even if i made my room hella cold the CPU still was hot

but with new fans it seems im noticing a pattern .

[strange flume]

[unreal saffron]

AC unit off = above 80

[unreal saffron]

this is insane

[knotty sparrow]

Ooh I just got some potential numbers on car battery charging. 300 miles in 10 minutes. Apparently larger batteries charge faster.

So yeah move over lithium

Small electronics batteries will hit the market expected Q3 next year with larger ones like car batteries within a few years.

A smart watch with the battery has already been announced

[unreal saffron]

impressive

idk tesla numbers exactly but its already pretty quick

[knotty sparrow]

Fairly comparable to an average gas station stop right?

[unreal saffron]

bigger the battery, the faster you will gain %

just bc of the nature of batteries

ya know

charging from 0-50% can take you 10 minutes, but 50-100% will take 30mins

[knotty sparrow]

That's more the nature of lithium batteries

[unreal saffron]

precisely were almost there.

indeed the diamond ones will not be like this right?

[knotty sparrow]

Exactly

[unreal saffron]

that would be actually revolutionary.

[knotty sparrow]

The reason charging slows down in lithium batteries is twofold: It takes longer to cram electrons into a crowded space, and the life span of the battery is reduced if you charge it quickly and/or fully.

Modern electronics know this, like my phone tells you when you first turn it on that it recommends you stay between 20 and 80%

And if you plug it in at night it goes into slow charge mode for extended life span over the normal charge modes

Li-on batteries also REALLY hate being hot and if they're dropping the NDB ones into volcanoes I'm guessing that's not the case there

[knotty sparrow]

Tesla supercharger claims 200 miles in 15 minutes

[unreal saffron]

yeah that sounds about right

never need to spend more than 30 mins at a charger

but usually i just charge at home

it costs $20 max at home to charge 0-100, which is 350 miles for mine

pretty cheap imo

[unreal saffron]

yes i see

tesla specifically yells at you to never charge to 100

as it decreases lifespan leaving the battery charged all the way

[knotty sparrow]

That's not bad at all, costs me at least $40-50 in gas to get that far

[unreal saffron]

dang pretty good then

[unreal saffron]

and cold

thats a big gripe with e cars

far worse during winter, tho the newwer ones have better heating technolofy

[knotty sparrow]

I seriously misjudged this, it's a lot higher. I get ~21 mpg highway and 17 combined, so 350 miles/21 mpg = 16.6 gallons of gas, at $4 per gallon = ~$67

Too bad I live in an apartment and there's no electric charging near me

[unreal saffron]

SHEESH

gas is so expensive rn

where ar eu from ?

[knotty sparrow]

Cali

We have the highest average cost of gas in the states

[unreal saffron]

truth

im on the opposite side

NJ

[knotty sparrow]

It was almost $6 a couple months ago

[unreal saffron]

yiiiiiikes

[strange flume]

Damn, price death

[shrewd juniper]

about the same price as eu countries before prices shot up

[unreal saffron]

that is ridiculous

[shrewd juniper]

Nah yall just used to it super cheap somehow

[strange flume]

Honestly this

It's more in cali than it is here but not by much more

America on average pays less than a lot of other countries

[knotty sparrow]

It's called Texas Tea here for a reason

[shrewd juniper]

Never heard that saying lol

[knotty sparrow]

It's not so common nowadays but Texas has huge oilfields

It's domestically sourced so it's cheaper

Alaska has a lot of oil too

[shrewd juniper]

Ahh so that's why america wants it

[knotty sparrow]

Nah we just got lucky, Russia gave it to us and we found the oil later

[strange flume]

Here in Australia, it's 17.2 gallons to fill my car or 65 litres, at 195.9 cents (I'll be somewhat fair), it's $127 aud or 86 usd

Went and did quick maff

But 65 litres gets me to 1030km by highway

So I'm quite a bit more economical

[knotty sparrow]

That's about double what I get mileage-wise

[strange flume]

Yeah pretty much

So by fill up I'll do less but last longer

So long term you're probably paying more tbh

If I was driving a diesel tho I'd be net worse rn

[unreal saffron]

ur in tx

where about?

[knotty sparrow]

No I'm in Cali, Texas Tea is just an old name for oil

[unique lily]

Tozo#5678 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[unreal saffron]

OOPs

my bad **

I thought u were the other guy for a second

im going to texas tomorrow so i was jw HAHA

gotchu tho

you guys know things about cameras?

[strange flume]

Not too much

Sorry

[knotty sparrow]

Just the basics

[strange flume]

I have a lot of photoshop experience tho

[unreal saffron]

i see i see

ya know i was asking bc

you guys have such an abundance of knowledge and i really admire that

i think its so cool cuz thats wht i aim to be ya know i love learning stuff

i was like.. is there ANYTHING i knw a lot about thatthese guysdont

LOL

[knotty sparrow]

I've got pretty broad knowledge but it's kind of "jack of all trades, master of few"

[unreal saffron]

bro saaaame

trying to master everything

[knotty sparrow]

I know enough to help with the most common problems people have in just about anything

[unreal saffron]

lol

[strange flume]

I know enough at this point to prolly take a job in tech

Lol

[unreal saffron]

theres too many awesome and interesting things in the world!

to only focus on one ya know

[knotty sparrow]

Speaking of cars I need to run out and pop off my radiator cap, I've got mostly water in my car because I had a coolant leak and it's below freezing tonight

[unreal saffron]

below freezing in cali :o

wooot

must be norcal

[knotty sparrow]

Yeah it'd never get this cold in LA lol

[unreal saffron]

dang a leak that sucks man

norcal is AMAZING place bro