Ahh okay, I plan to put the rad up front.
#old-cooling
knotty sparrow
Technically yes but not much. A 420mm should be plenty.
harsh crow
Got it.
Also I just found out why it says my mobo won't fit.
The case assumes that you use a E-ATX up to 10.5in and the mobo I picked out is 10.89 inches however it has cuts to make it so the cable management and etc would fit.
However Corsair's site doesn't seem to recognize this.
knotty sparrow
That's a common issue. E-ATX isn't a real standard so they can just do what they want and call it that as long as it's longer than ATX.
harsh crow
Ahh didn't know that.
But yea, the mobo I picked should fit the case just fine but Corsair's site doesn't realize it.
The cutout on the right is what I am talking about.
knotty sparrow
You'll need to get very creative with wires and tubes
harsh crow
What's the next closest mobo within $500?
rotund sable
harsh crow
You'll need to get very creative with wires and tubes
Mhmmm.
I can think of some interesting combos.
Just to double check.
The exit for the water from blocks are on the right yes?
I should be getting my new desk tomorrow so I will get out my drawing tablet then and try to think of some cool Tube formations.
knotty sparrow
Water can flow however you like through the loop.
As far as motherboard I'd personally go aorus master or ultra.
harsh crow
Mhmmm. Lmao, I had a really odd thought of making a tube formation that looks like xXx just now.
Well it's getting late, I will think of some ideas tomorrow.
knotty sparrow
Ok, g'night
harsh crow
Though I think having xXx tubing shape inside the case would be cool for a Attack Helicopter case would be cool, what about you?
knotty sparrow
It might look cool but that'll be difficult to bend the tubes where they still look good
You'll have to think three dimensionally to plan the tubes out
harsh crow
Yeah. Well then I better brain storm tomorrow as the mobo I picked out happens to rotate everything.
By the way, do you know of any other mobo's that perform the same with all the bells and whistles within $500?
Well, good night and see you tomorrow. Ping me if your on, I'd love to hang out and discuss some fun tubing ideas, blocks to use, etc.
somber surge
@timid carbon what is a good cpu cooler for 3,000
somber surge
https://www.amazon.in/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-V2-high-Efficiency/dp/B085G8WJCC/
3,000
somber surge
timid carbon
thats more than enough
somber surge
you dont have to spend 3000
ok
timid carbon
https://www.amazon.in/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-Cooler-Support-LGA1200/dp/B0943WXWQS/ref=...
same cooler pretty much
get whichever
somber surge
i get that one
somber surge
same cooler pretty much
which u tell me
timid carbon
get whichever
.
somber surge
https://www.amazon.in/DEEPCOOL-GAMMAXX-400-V2-high-Efficiency/dp/B085G8WJCC/
this one
harsh crow
Morning peeps.
harsh crow
Looking at some other mobos, my fella peep.
harsh crow
Don't use aluminum and copper waterblocks/rads, etc in the same system correct?
noble quarry
Correct
harsh crow
What is the best LGA1700 waterblock on the market currently?
sacred pagoda
alright cooling question - I have a build in this case https://www.tecware.co/fusion
5 arctic p12s, a dual fan gpu, and (currently) a stock ryzen cooler. The fan setup is this:
green is intake, red is exhaust, yellow/blue are cpu/gpu
dotted outline is mounted on the side bracket
Now, I'm going to be swapping the stock cpu cooler for a tower cooler and want to change the fans around a bit. Here's my proposed layout but I'm open to suggestions:
if you want clarification on anything just ask :)
rocky wadi
So I'm installing the cpu cooler
And apparently my backplate is really loose
My old cooler wasn't loose
So I'm pretty confused
Was it always loose?
How would I secure it?
I must've missed something when installing it
Ugh
knotty sparrow
Now, I'm going to be swapping the stock cpu cooler for a tower cooler and want t...
The stock Ryzen cooler is downdraft, so having the side as intake is highly recommended so it's not fighting the cooler
knotty sparrow
I must've missed something when installing it
The backplate should be fairly secure once the cooler is torqued down. It might have a little bit of play still.
rocky wadi
I might have to take the mobo out, pretty sure to press it down
Because it doesn't full pop up
Wait
Mightve gotten it
Yay got it
Doesn't wiggle and it's secure
I screwed it in corner by corner
Pretty sure that's how you do it
Off topic, but is there a way to remove this?
Black bar thing
Hm, nevermind
Is there a certain way to apply the thermal grease?
covert apex
rocky wadi
It just gave me a small little bag of it
This?
Slightly off center damn itb
It should be fine, right?
rocky wadi
Lmao
I thought it was pre applied
Like the stock cooler
It's supposed to stand up a bit, right?
Cooler itself is pretty tight
Doesn't move
Yeah the video shows that
Installing the fan was awful
left pulsar
towers don't usually have it pre applied, just stock cooler and aios. also just confirming any film was peeled off, like so.
rocky wadi
It already idles some 10° cooler then stock
All arctic fan gaming pc when
I think the only fans in my pc that aren't arctic, is the gpu fans
With the old cooler, the gta benchmark got it to some 70ish°
Now it's solidly under 60°
What's a good cpu stress test?
Cinebench, right?
sacred pagoda
Can loop cinebench yeah
rocky wadi
I'll do the 10 minute test
As I clean my mess
In cinebench, it pretty much stays at 4.15ghz
And stays under 65°
I'll call it a win
Temps 9 and half minutes into the 10 minute test
Compared to stock? I'm happy
knotty sparrow
I think the only fans in my pc that aren't arctic, is the gpu fans
Get the noctua 3070/3080 and switch the fans lol
knotty sparrow
Yeah it's a unicorn. They didn't make many and they sold out instantly.
somber surge
GAMDIAS Aeolus M2 1204R 120 MM ARGB CASE & Radiator Fan 4 in 1 with Controller and Remote https://amzn.eu/d/70x2oKU is this good
marsh badge
no
somber surge
Why
somber surge
Ok i check
marsh badge
just 3 is fine enough
somber surge
And argb control
marsh badge
you can chain the fans up in a daisy chain
and control the rgb through the motherboard
somber surge
and control the rgb through the motherboard
U can do that
marsh badge
yeah, if the board has an argb header it would work
somber surge
Ooo ok
somber surge
yeah, if the board has an argb header it would work
This one MSI PRO H610M-G DDR4 Motherboard - Supports Intel 12th Gen (LGA 1700), Micro-ATX, 2 DIMMs, 1x PCIe 4.0 x16, 1x M.2 Gen3, USB 3.2 Gen1, 1G LAN, HDMI 2.1, DP 1.4, VGA https://amzn.eu/d/blAUUL0 ?
marsh badge
it has two of them
2x 3-pin RAINBOW LED connectors
this is what the specs listed in msi site
somber surge
Can I connect 5 argb fan to it
marsh badge
um, if you use that much a controller will be needed
since the header won't be able to supply enough power
and would just end up being fried
somber surge
GAMDIAS Aeolus M2 1204R 120 MM ARGB CASE & Radiator Fan 4 in 1 with Controller a...
This
marsh badge
i already said no to that
somber surge
Ok
somber surge
i already said no to that
What is good I need 4 120mm argb fan and a control
somber surge
Cooler Master MasterBox MB311L ARGB Micro-ATX Airflow PC case with Two pre-Installed ARGB Fans, a Fine Mesh Front Panel, Mesh Side Intakes, & Tempered Glass Side Panel https://amzn.eu/d/2LbE83Z
marsh badge
you just put one extra fan on the exhaust
the case already comes with two big intake fans on the front
somber surge
https://www.amazon.in/ARCTIC-P12-PWM-RGB-Pack/dp/B08Y8N5J89
Ok i get this and buy a argb control
somber surge
I don't get it
somber surge
since mobo has 2 argb headers
Is it connect?
somber surge
Ok
sacred pagoda
cpu now maxes at 67C in cinebench with the $20 cooler upgrade, plus it's wayyy quieter :)
uneven solstice
cpu now maxes at 67C in cinebench with the $20 cooler upgrade, plus it's wayyy q...
What cpu do you have?
sacred pagoda
5600X
sacred pagoda
And I was actually using a 3600x stock cooler not the smaller one that comes with the 5600x
warm spear
Can someone please provide suggestions on this fan config:
Case: Corsair 5000 X
CPU:. i9 12900KS
GPU: 3090 Ti MSI Suprim X
MB: ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero
Cooler: Corsair i150 Elite LCD
Fan configuration:
- 3 intake in from (360)
- 3 intake on the side (360)
- 6 exhaust on top (360 + 360 on the rad in push-pull configuration)
A total of 12 fans. Think this would would for the temps?
marsh badge
the best way to improve temps is get an airflow panel for that case
but i don't think you need to install all the fans
even tho it works well
warm spear
I went with the glass panel, will see the temps and consider changing to airflow case. Unfortunately Corsair don't sell just the front panel separately.
marsh badge
you can just email them and ask for one
they either give it for free or make you pay a little
warm spear
Ohhhh. Will do that. Thanks!
noble quarry
they sell the front panel as a replacement, you can buy the airflow front panel
strange flume
super happy with the eisbaer pro
managed to cool my 12900KF to 302W
I'm sure if I did some more trickery too I'd get the full 312W out of it but I'm happy enough now
strange flume
congrats
and yeah, I have an eiswolf on my 3090 so I wanted to keep the whole "combine your aio's together thing" cos it worked well for the 3090 (600W benches go brr)
I did consider an LS720 tho lol
harsh crow
I am looking for radiators and water blocks for LGA 1700? Can I have some help.... I'd really appreciate it. Looking for 480mm rads.
knotty sparrow
Radiators are universally compatible
Get one that looks good to you
Alphacool makes pretty good ones
harsh crow
Got it.
What about corsair?
Currently the waterblock and kit I have saved are for corsair's Hydro X stuff and I found a waterblock from corsair under the same name.
knotty sparrow
Corsair tends to be mediocre at a premium price
If you want the best go for a heatkiller
harsh crow
If you want the best go for a heatkiller
managed to find their 240mm version but not a 360 or 480mm.
knotty sparrow
Aquatuning.us is alphacool's US shop
harsh crow
What are some other options?
harsh crow
Aquatuning.us is alphacool's US shop
Do they have a MX shop?
knotty sparrow
You were the one in Mexico? Sorry hard to keep track lol
harsh crow
It's fine.
But yea, being in MX definitely limits my options.
Thermaltake vs Alphacool which is betteR?
harsh crow
What about water blocks for LGA 1700?
harsh crow
They're pretty close but alphacool
I noticed there are like 4 different models for each size, any specific model I should choose?
knotty sparrow
For waterblock I'd just get whichever heatkiller lga1700 block you like
Radiator models are less important, changes will mostly be design or thickness
harsh crow
Just to double check. Is heat killer a brand or a specific waterblock?
harsh crow
I looked up Heatkiller and all I see are Intel backplates and AMD waterblocks?
noble quarry
sorry, its a series, the brand is watercool
harsh crow
sorry, its a series, the brand is watercool
Found this though I am not sure if it supports LGA 1700.
harsh crow
Got it. So heatkiller is out of the option works.
What about other water blocks?
Are the Corsair Hydro X XC8 good?
noble quarry
its weird, the same page also say lga 1700 compatible
but way down in the bottom 😛
Socket compatibility INTEL: 1150, 1200 and 1700
harsh crow
Now I am confused.....
noble quarry
Are the Corsair Hydro X XC8 good?
falcie already told you that c*rsair products are mediocre at best
with premium prices
harsh crow
Okay, I think my brain is dieing then....
But hmmm.
If not Heatkiller or Corsair what are my other options?
Is this good?
noble quarry
hopefully falcie will come to help you 😛 custom loops are not my area of expertise
still if he recommend you heatkiller you should research a lil more to see if they are indeed lga1700 compatible
harsh crow
Ooof.... I feel like building a custom loop is easier then figuring out which parts to use for a custom loop.....
harsh crow
still if he recommend you heatkiller you should research a lil more to see if th...
Will do.
noble quarry
as everything in life, you need to do a lot of research
look for forums, videos, images
manuals
the guys can point you in the right direction, everything else must be on your own curiosity to research
shrewd juniper
Patiently waits for d15 vs 2
Noctua: you want keycaps?
azure crown
*Patiently waits for d15 vs 2*
Noctua: you want keycaps?
if they arent absurdly over-engineered, ion want em
marsh badge
that looks kinda good
low pumice
I hope its pbt
azure crown
if it aint shaped to fit the curvature of my finger
it aint noctua
just brown keycaps
shrewd juniper
Arctic set when
Literally just black lel
strange flume
Literally just black lel
Who said I wouldn't like it? 
Would still shill 100%
Daisy chain my keys pls
shrewd juniper
Who said I wouldn't like it? <:TeriDerp:683347603274203211>
Arctic keyboard and mouse
dreamy locust
I need a low profile cooler for my new build or 120/240s, they're good as far as the pump doesn't exceed 47mm height.
I saw a few used coolers. My main choice (for new coolers) is the NH L9i. (Found it for 30€ used black version), but I've also found these ones: enermax liqumax ii 120s (same price); Corsair h60 (120mm); liqumax ii 240mm.
Should I buy any one of the water coolers? (If they're new since the pump is always affected by the use), should I stick to the NH L9i?
- at what price should I be getting the coolers? (Considering they're all used)
I've also always heard I should avoid most cooler master AIOs...
I also have a general question for AIOs: I know it's better for the rad to be over the pump, but can the tubing go over the rad (or same level as is)?
Like this
(Goofy aah drawing) 💀
noble quarry
👀
if you are already struggling with size why do you want to place the tubings above the rad?
thats... weird on so many levels
noble quarry
its possible and strange
dreamy locust
K
noble quarry
are you aware why the pump never have to be above the system?
noble quarry
same principle for the tubes
dreamy locust
Ah
noble quarry
you want bubbles playing there?
dreamy locust
Nah
noble quarry
still, having the tubes above the system is kinda weird
dreamy locust
I'll see if I can find a method to run the tubing lower than the rad
dreamy locust
Because Im planning on making my own itx case and the space for the tubing is not really good, it's mostly meant to go to watercooled GPUs
noble quarry
evn on an sff case the rad normally is at the highest point fo the loop
dreamy locust
What if the tubing is same level as the top part of the tubing?
That should be fine righ?
noble quarry
you end with bubbles at the highest point anyway
unless you are precise to the microscope to have both at the same level
physics
dreamy locust
K, I'll either find a way to solve this problem or just go NH L9i
But what if tubing goes lower than the CPU block?
That's fine?
noble quarry
as long as the highest point isnt the pump, then everything is ok
dreamy locust
Ok
noble quarry
having the bubbles trapped at an edge of the rad is ideal
if you want to have them on the tubes, thats on you
dreamy locust
But if the tubing is lower than the CPU block/pump doesn't the air block on there?
noble quarry
again
are you aware of why the pump shouldnt be in the highest point of the system?
dreamy locust
But I guess the air will move to the rad (that is on top)
noble quarry
air will find its way to the highest point, if the pump/tubes/anything is below the highest point, then you will have 0 air bubbles there
dreamy locust
Okk
noble quarry
air always find its way to the top
dreamy locust
What I understood: the highest point in the aio has to be the rad
dreamy locust
I'll probably watch jayz video, much shorter and with the same info
noble quarry
gamer nexus is way better
way way better
in any case that should give you a basic perspective of "why" on aio placement
jayz is very minimalistic on his explanations
dreamy locust
For one of the used aio I'm going to ask how old they are/how much they've been running for, what should be that limit to keep it running for a few years more?
dreamy locust
jayz is very minimalistic on his explanations
He said he basically took the same info and put it in a shorter video
Idk, I'll watch gn
noble quarry
i shouldnt trust a second hand aio cause you dont know how many abuse the pump had, nor how it was fitted on its old system, and also no warranty if the pump fail
but thats just my opinion
nor the condition of the tubes/fittings
there is a lot of variables that could go wrong on a second hand aio
dreamy locust
Mmmmh
I'm starting to think I should go NH L9i... Maybe it's a better option, the pc is going to travel a lot (that's the purpose for this 2nd build) and moving it around may cause problems with aio pumps/air inside...?
noble quarry
not really if they are well packed with things like air cushions or foam inside the case before travel
dreamy locust
there is a lot of variables that could go wrong on a second hand aio
Old tubes may start to crack because of thermals... Mmmh
I'm undecided
noble quarry
maybe someone else will give you his/her opinion on that
me, nah, aio should eb the only part to buy new for me, to ensure a fresh not abused pump
and warranty
dreamy locust
not really if they are well packed with things like air cushions or foam inside ...
No, I mean I'll travel with this pc basically 30km by car every week and I won't put any packaging inside
noble quarry
if yo are travelling a lot like that you should think on a lpatop... way more reliable
and dont waste money on that sff build
dreamy locust
I'll start asking for how old the AIOs are so I can exclude older ones and maybe then buy one or go air cooler
noble quarry
desktops are meant to be on one place, they are not fit for travelling that much without portection
dreamy locust
if yo are travelling a lot like that you should think on a lpatop... way more re...
Nah, I already had some good components I can use for the build and laptops are much more expensive, no need for a laptop, I'll just move the pc between my mom's and dad's house
noble quarry
laptops are more sturdy for travel\
or, you can leave one pc on one house and one in another
dreamy locust
desktops are meant to be on one place, they are not fit for travelling that much...
I have designed the internals so everything is really stable and doesn't move in any way
noble quarry
moving your pc that much will damage it eventually
more so if you are thinking on an aio without protection for travelling
dreamy locust
I'll also be really careful
noble quarry
someday you will have leaks all over the pc
dreamy locust
Air cooler then
noble quarry
air coolers also need protecvtion for travelling
dreamy locust
NH L9i. It may be louder and hotter but I guess it'll be the best option
noble quarry
they are heavier and can put a lot of stress on the mobo while travelling
under high vibrations
dreamy locust
air coolers also need protecvtion for travelling
I'll 3d print a support to keep it still
NH L9i is a 92mm fan + 37mm tall cooler
It's low profile
noble quarry
thing is, you are taking extreme risks for no reason, just build the pc on one house and the second pc in the other house
if you are moving the pc a lot, a laptop will be a better investment, cause, as far as i am aware, you are spending a lot in an sff build anyway
a used laptop shouldnt be that expensive
but you are right, you do you
dreamy locust
thing is, you are taking extreme risks for no reason, just build the pc on one h...
It's going to be a 9400f + 1080 build for a total of 600/650€ that's really cheap, to get a laptop that matches it's performance it'd cost probably about 1000 or more euros, and i don't have and don't want to spend that much
noble quarry
used? i dont think so
i still dont get why you bought a 1080 while having a 1070... to me that was a waste of good hard earned money, but its your money anyway
dreamy locust
i still dont get why you bought a 1080 while having a 1070... to me that was a w...
Because I got the 1080 for 200, the 1070 I'll sell it for the same price
Free upgrade
noble quarry
if its a "backup" build the 1070 should do just fine
dreamy locust
+as i always said my 1070 is pretty loud and hot
dreamy locust
if its a "backup" build the 1070 should do just fine
I want to be able to game many games, including wz
With no stutter/problems/overheating
- a laptop that should match a 1080 desktop must have a 2070 (mobile), 2070/2080 laptops cost well over 1000
noble quarry
maybe i have a different perspective about a "portable pc" like i need my home desktop system to be a beast, but my laptop just enough to handle office work and light gaming while im away... because... that not my main system anyway.. More so if i am on a budget like you are, trying to get cheap used parts.
no need to have max setting on wz on my laptop anyway. thats why i spent a lot on my desktop
and even if you have a lot of money a high end laptop will be better than that mobile sff pc that you will abuse with a lot of travelling every week . just my opinion 😛
Add to that the hassle to transport the peripherals and the monitor as well, unless you have a monitor and peripherals on both houses for both of your pcs... but if you have those things on each house then... why not having both pcs installed on every house as well? no need to carry your sff (and peripherals/monitor) every week on a trip. Again a laptop will be easier to carry around in the long run even if you end up spending a bit more.
dreamy locust
I've searched a bit, not worth getting a 2060 or better laptop (that'd still perform worse) and costs double.
The pc will be useful for vacations or whenever I'm not home for a while. Not a problem for peripherals, I'll use a bag or a backpack to carry everything, I'll just need mouse and keeb. I'll use the monitors I have at my father's, or I could always connect it to a TV somewhere else.
viscid vapor
My hands are so sore :(... The only part I don't like about building a new PC, is threading the fans, especially 12 of them. Everything tested perfectly first boot up, then discover to my horror, the manufacturer reversed the fans. Headers were epoxied, so swapping the pins, easiest to do couldn't be done, so had to take out the screws, turn the fans around, then rethread the other side. I considered at first to just leave it, but realized the airflow would come in the vents that don't have filters, and dust, a lot of it, would end up scraping off the bottom of the filter, right into the CPU fan and RTX GPU. Not a safe thing when you own 4 cats. It was my cat, that tipped me off that the fans were in wrong direction. Was sleeping in front and could see the breeze. Every fan, marked with an arrow to show direction of air flow, reversed.
harsh crow
Would the Corsair XT Hardline kit work for other tubes?
noble quarry
you just need to remember that aluminum and copper cannot be mixed regardless of the brand, and as long as the tubes match the fittings/gaskets everything should be compatible
odd axle
Hey I recently just bought a deepcool castle 240ex and realized that I couldn't connec the RGB as I only have two 4 pin RGB headers on my motherboard. I found these two products to resolve my solution and was wondering what would be a better buy.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B1MNNDZG/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A32B9TAI3MS38X&th=1
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Y8V5X98/ref=twister_B0B17SH6GJ?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
solemn juniper
Anyone having trouble accessing kritical pads website? Ive been trying for a month and every time =
knotty sparrow
Anyone having trouble accessing kritical pads website? Ive been trying for a mon...
uneven solstice
@shrewd juniper @strange flume this got to to me much quicker than I thought it would.
They even provided a cute little tube of mx-5 :P
harsh crow
What kind of fittings would I need to run softline tubing to hardline?
strange flume
They even provided a cute little tube of mx-5 :P
Yeah they're sending the EOL MX-5. Basically like Kryo where it separates and dries out really quick
Call it an "issue" but if it's still a paste it's probably gonna work fine
uneven solstice
Yeah, I mean, so far I've repasted 4 times in the past 6 months of having my pc, so ill check it out. If my thermals start to go funky, I'll just repaste. Not like it's that hard or even really time consuming.
strange flume
Ye
shrewd juniper
They even provided a cute little tube of mx-5 :P
Noice
shrewd juniper
What kind of fittings would I need to run softline tubing to hardline?
Just whatever size the tubing is
rotund sable
Yeah, I mean, so far I've repasted 4 times in the past 6 months of having my pc,...
thats really often lol
uneven solstice
thats really often lol
case swaps/aio swaps/contact frame swap
modest carbon
Looking at upgrading PC when the 13900 comes out. I have a corsair AIO 420 in a push-pull that can transfer to new build and AIO GPU I could get. Would that be roughly as good as doing a custom loop, or would I see a dramatic difference in cooling with a custom loop ?
noble quarry
custom loop is way better
strange flume
If it's that H170i one it's good enough
modest carbon
Yeah it is
strange flume
After a certain point you pass diminishing returns on the amount of rads and it matters more by coldplate
noble quarry
well way better, but your setup seems very capable
strange flume
Also 13900 is easier to cool than 12900
strange flume
420 is powerful enough imo, not worth the $400+ to loop
modest carbon
Thank you, least that will be one thing I can transfer over lol well that and the case
noble quarry
yeah, your setup is very strong as it is
strange flume
What you could consider doing
$5 thermalright contact frame
And the TG lapping tool
That'll help as much or more than switching to a loop
Does void warranty tho
shrewd juniper
Contact fram is gonna help a lot yeah lapping is more of a pain imo
noble quarry
and use 3 of those push-pull fans elsewhere, im pretty sure those 3 can do much better away from that psuh-pull config
strange flume
Lapping tool makes it easier
noble quarry
to push the screw until you hear the plop!
not for the peace of my mind
contact frame is easier, faster, and more safe 😛
marsh badge
lapping sounds more scary
modest carbon
I have the push pull 420 aio on top, and than 3 140mm fans in front Currently with old GPU aio behind that in a push pull with 1 140mm in rear. Upgrade would put the GPU AIO rad in the rear ( 360) maybe pus pull that as well.
strange flume
You're shaving the IHS not delidding it
noble quarry
hmmm i swear i saw some lm applications on the contact point with the copper ihs
ohhhhh
now i get it
yeah i was thinking on deliddin
strange flume
I have the push pull 420 aio on top, and than 3 140mm fans in front Currently wi...
Push pull is another case of diminishing returns
Tho I can't really talk I have a pc full of push pull lol
noble quarry
yeah those 3 fans could be easily being used elsewhereon the case
strange flume
O11D evo can fit it tho even with the rads
modest carbon
Push pull is another case of diminishing returns
Thank's didn't know that but it's also being used for the looks with the rgb fans
noble quarry
push pull is about 2% improvement at most
low pumice
Uh push pull for looks?
modest carbon
Wonder if I got the CoolMaster HAF 700EVO and maxed it out on it's fan's if that would give a good amount of cooling. Though I would miss the flexibility to do what I want in my case compared to to my current C700M Cosmos
strange flume
More fans ≠ more better
modest carbon
Yeah my TT fans are open on the sides so you see the rgb
strange flume
Better airflow due to design and fan placement = more better
Filling out a case with fans or more fans than needed isn't necessarily better either
It's all about the airflow
modest carbon
I like the looks of that case as well, but being able to move your MB to the right side and turn it 180 is fun when wanting to m ake something different
uneven solstice
After a certain point you pass diminishing returns on the amount of rads and it ...
so just get a car rad and be done with it. that way you get all the rad you need/want PLUS only 1 line in and 1 line out.
strange flume
Thick rad go brrrr
magic sparrow
Push pull is good for either extremely low RPM or high resistance rads (very high FPI+thick rads). It doesn't help with mid to high RPM fans with low to mid resistance rads. So if you're outside of the use case of it then you'll get some pretty diminishing returns as others stated.
knotty sparrow
Get a 2x180mm monsta and you might just need the push/pull https://www.aquatuning.us/water-cooling/radiators/radiators-active/180200mm/16420/alphacool-nexxxos-monsta-180mm-dual-radiator?c=6566
crystal quest
how much should i spend on a decent rgb cpu cooler
dreamy locust
Depends on what cooler... If you want air cooler then I'd say 50$ max, for 120mm just don't, for 240mm 80$ and 360mm not more than 140$
You can however chose to change the fans to a non RGB cooler but make sure to use some adequate ones
noble quarry
se-214xt is a nice rgb air cooler, also cheap, 20 usd
for aios you could get an rgb version of the liquid freezer 2 on b-stock. they are quite cheap these days and top performers
neat nova
what cpu cooler would you guys recommend for ryzen 5600?
knotty sparrow
Something cheap will do like Gammax 400 or SE 224XT, it's not a hot chip
knotty sparrow
What is the best non-conductive thermal paste?
Best for the price - Arctic MX4
Best overall - Noctua NT-H2, closely followed by TG Kryonaut (non-extreme)
knotty sparrow
Also are IHS replacements worth it?
Not usually, you can get similar results from just lapping on modern CPUs
knotty sparrow
You sand down the nickel plating to expose the copper underneath and make the IHS flatter
harsh crow
By the way, I want to say thank you for helping me out so much this past week.
harsh crow
You sand down the nickel plating to expose the copper underneath and make the IH...
Interesting.
knotty sparrow
No problem, it's what I enjoy doing
harsh crow
Is lapping more risky then replacing the IHS?
knotty sparrow
Changing the IHS is far more risky since you have to heat it enough to melt the solder and then try not to cut off SMDs (surface mount devices) like capacitors when you use your razor to take it off
harsh crow
Oh geez....
So lapping is safer and easier then I assume?
Also I gtg, will read and respond later.
knotty sparrow
Yeah all you need is a couple pieces of sandpaper, no special tools or skills
harsh crow
So this is meant to sand it down to make it more flat?
knotty sparrow
Yes, and it also exposes the copper so the nickel plating doesn't get in the way
Nickel has a much lower thermal conductivity, but it's much less reactive than copper so it's used to protect copper a lot
Unless you live near a coast and leave your windows open all the time your copper shouldn't corrode though
marsh badge
Wait
I never knew the IHS was actually copper underneath
Well this is news for me
I simply though of it being alu lol
strange flume
An IHS being aluminium would present the biggest thermal bottleneck of all lol
rotund sable
knotty sparrow
Is that one yours? How fine a grit did you do on the last go?
rotund sable
I go up to 2k
knotty sparrow
Hmm, acceptable
rotund sable
Hmm, acceptable
🤨
knotty sparrow
I know some that stop at 600 lol
rotund sable
Best for the price - Arctic MX4
Best overall - Noctua NT-H2, closely followed by...
you forgot about kpx 
rotund sable
I know some that stop at 600 lol
who? 💀
knotty sparrow
you forgot about kpx <:Lemongrab:661280702490214412>
non-conductive was a requirement
rotund sable
kpx isnt conductive?
knotty sparrow
Oh right I was probably thinking conductonaut
rotund sable
yea the LM
knotty sparrow
The top 2 still stand though, that would be a good third
left pulsar
Well this is news for me
Oh it's very common & even 3770K had a copper ihs 
(also had thermal paste instead of great TIM but w/e) . Even better if cooler base is lapped, or at least is factory "flat". Thermalright for example sometimes has a slightly convex shape to match the bend of what the Intel bracket normally does. Mmmmm*, copper:
rotund sable
i need a 3770k 🗿
left pulsar
me too. Slim picks on ebay lately. This is also why I did the non-K xeon brother (price)
left pulsar
Ah, same as I paid. well, only another 100mhz on base/boost at least. I'm definitely pleased w/ the 1240v2, just wish I got one 5+ years ago instead of 2021. 
-- Although, $30 to double the threads and helped low/avg fps quite a bit.
harsh crow
I live about 10 meters from the sea. Should I be concerned?
knotty sparrow
Copper corrodes in salty air, see the statue of liberty for example
harsh crow
My balcony doors (like 15m from the PC in the living room) is open when I go for a swim about 1-2hrs a day.
harsh crow
Copper corrodes in salty air, see the statue of liberty for example
How long would it take for copper to corrode and when it does will it affect the other parts?
Wondering because I am thinking I may be better off not lapping if it corrodes to quickly.
left pulsar
well it's a much slower process being in the middle of your house VS outside on the beach or a ship. Could also get a cooler with a base that is confirmed slightly convex, or flat if you'll use the anti-bend bracket from Thermalright/Thermal Grizzly. That's what I'm thinking though. Fal?
knotty sparrow
Yeah it takes a few years for the oxidizing process normally, even in less than ideal conditions. Hopefully you upgrade once 16th gen comes out lol.
strange flume
It shouldn't corrode quickly at all, you'll have to refill the aio first before you need a new coldplate
I also live some 20m from the water and I've never really had copper corrosion issues
harsh crow
Oh then I am fine.
I'd be upgrading with every gen.
And giving the last gen to my brother.
I will be back in ShangHai in about a year which I will be very far from the Sea by then.
So lapping should be fine if I am understanding correctly?
Also, what grits should I use for lapping?
2,000-8,000?
knotty sparrow
Start rough and then go fine
rotund sable
start off with something around 200. 120 or 300 or so is fine. then go up to around 1000, then polish with 2000-2500
harsh crow
Got it.
rotund sable
Use a flat surface as well, glass is a good option
harsh crow
Would this be fine then? 300, 1000, 2000, 3000?
rotund sable
yea thats good
harsh crow
Would there be any benefit for going higher then 3,000?
rotund sable
I usually dont care enough to go beyond 2000 or so but yea
harsh crow
Like 8,000?
rotund sable
not that I know of. theoretically yea but i really doubt it makes a practical difference
what chip are you lapping
harsh crow
I used to have some 8K grit sitting around for polishing my gems.
harsh crow
what chip are you lapping
13900K or KS once those come out.
Just holding out right now till they come out and then buy one.
Working on doing my dream spec PC right now. Been saving up a lot.
rotund sable
if you really wanna go over the top, you can saw out the socket and ILM on the PCB and lap your chip with it in the socket/ILM lol
harsh crow
What does ILM stand for?
harsh crow
if you really wanna go over the top, you can saw out the socket and ILM on the P...
No thank you on the sawing.
rotund sable
What does ILM stand for?
integrated loading mechanism
rotund sable
flatter finish
harsh crow
.................
rotund sable
The IHS bends ever so slightly when under the ILM, so when you lap it inside it, it's more accurate to how it'd be real-world
harsh crow
.............
No thank you.
I am wasting a $400 board to lap my CPU flatter by 0.0001 degree of an angle.
rotund sable
:)
I didnt buy a full price board just to saw the sockets out lol
I got a dual socket, dead server board for about 20 bucks
then sawed out the socket lol
harsh crow
Okay at $20 that's understandable.
But to buy a functional board to do that with is just insane.
rotund sable
yes lol
harsh crow
The scary part is I bet someone did that already.
rotund sable
probably
harsh crow
Brb.
knotty sparrow
That's some hardware gore right there
left pulsar
I do suggest getting the Thermalright anti-bend bracket as well. Takes off 5-8C on a 12900K at load, from what I've seen. (not factoring in lapping)
harsh crow
I do suggest getting the Thermalright anti-bend bracket as well. Takes off 5-8C ...
ABB?
How is that used and does it apply to all LGA 1700 boards?
harsh crow
my x79 board currently
Why does that look cursed....
rotund sable
I had no flux lol
harsh crow
By the way, has anyone attempted Exotic Cooling Methods (ECM) like using Freon to cool a chip to temps just slightly or like 5c above ambient to ensure optimal cooling without condensation?
rotund sable
People dont bottleneck themselves by just trying to stay above the dew point. They'd rather get the lowest temperatures and compensate for condensation by insulating their hardware
left pulsar
How is that used and does it apply to all LGA 1700 boards?
They call it BCF, bend correct frame. Here's 1 on amazon w/ the seller being Thermalright themselves: https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Generation-Anti-Bending-Correction-Installation/dp/B0B5Q34SZ1
edit: The TR page itself - http://www.thermalright.com/product/lga1700-bcf-black/
rotund sable
here's an example of that insulating i mentioned
people also use backplates that double as heaters, and use liquid electrical tape
harsh crow
People dont bottleneck themselves by just trying to stay above the dew point. Th...
Yeah, I am the kind of mentality where I'd like to stay reasonable on cooling costs while also making sure I don't have a pc that will freeze my finger tips into cracked icicles.
Hence Freon (like a ac).
rotund sable
Oh yea, it's not really practical for dailying
harsh crow
I was talking about daily cooling.
harsh crow
That's why I was wondering if anyone has made a exotic cooling that acts like an AC.
rotund sable
I dont know too much technical stuff about phase change cooling but yea
rotund sable
That's why I was wondering if anyone has made a exotic cooling that acts like an...
for sure
linus has a video where he shows his old chiller lol
harsh crow
One that avoids condensation of course.
harsh crow
linus has a video where he shows his old chiller lol
Wasn't that one a complete failure?
Or am I thinking of a different LTT experiment.
rotund sable
I dont think so? maybe im remembering it wrong
harsh crow
They call it BCF, bend correct frame. Here's 1 on amazon w/ the seller being The...
Will this work for 13th gen?
harsh crow
I dont think so? maybe im remembering it wrong
Will watch the video in a bit to confirm.
Will be sure to use it if it works for 13th gen. Just saw how easy it was to install and doesn't cost to much either.
left pulsar
Actually I take back that emoji. 13th gen is the same socket, but there might be improvements to cpus and/or the 700 series mobos. As in, they might not need this BCF. At least it's only $15-20 though. I partly like how it holds a cpu (and better/flatter also of course). Clean!
harsh crow
I mean if it will work for 13th gen I will definitely get it, slightly better performance and looks a hell of a lot better then default mobo ILM.
So let's see here.
When I get my new CPU I should. (1) lap it, (2) change the ILM.
low pumice
roboclocker technically can be daily'd
harsh crow
Are the RGB fans that come with the Fractal Torrent good?
Or should I replace them with arctic P14s/12s?
left pulsar
When I get my new CPU I should. (1) lap it, (2) change the ILM.
Perhaps both. tbh if I did the hassle of lapping cpu, I'd lap cooler base as well (depending on how un-flat it is). idk about most aios but remember how I mentioned some heatsinks specifically being convex on purpose. Also for "cooler" practice could get some super cheap single tower of some sort. btw I wouldnt start with too low of a grit, takes longer to remove those deep scratches. perhaps 400 min, although here's a decent read: https://archive.techarp.com/showarticleb086.html?artno=433&pgno=0
Also some Thermalright "TRUE" base goodness:
harsh crow
Perhaps both. tbh if I did the hassle of lapping cpu, I'd lap cooler base as wel...
Do Arctic AIOs have a copper base I can lap without damaging the pump case?
Because I am buying the 420mm Arctic Freezer II.
Asking because their pumps have a odd shape.
left pulsar
From anandtech in 2021: (yea, not sure I'd bother to lap this, but you can easily check flatness in various ways)
harsh crow
So I should lap that as well?
Also fkin hell. To buy 4 P14 fans in MX is going to cost me about $200.
Versus $100 for 6 P12s.
left pulsar
Flatness is # 1. yea if that surface* is already quite smooth (and flat) then probably leave it alone*. wow, P14 spendy there.
harsh crow
Flatness is # 1. yea if that surface* is already quite smooth (and flat) then pr...
So don't sand the cooler base? And yeah it's rediculously expensive.
low pumice
GN tests coldplate flatness for fun btw
left pulsar
Nice. want to see how anandtech tested the LF2: 
(and most coolers)
harsh crow
My current combo for my major upgrade come the next 2-3 months including shipping.
Case: Fractal Torrent
Fans: Arctic P14 PST ARGB
Mobo: (Some sort of Z790 mobo)
ILM: Thermalright Anti-bending Buckle
CPU: I9-13900K
Paste: Noctua NT-H2
Cooler: Arctic Freezer II 420mm
GPU: RTX 4090
RAM: 2x16gb Trident Z Neo G5 6400mhz CL32
PSU: (To be decided based on which ATX 3.0 1,500 watt PSUs come out)
low pumice
Prob want to wait on if 13900k&z790 suffers from the same bending issues or if they've somehow rectified it
harsh crow
Prob want to wait on if 13900k&z790 suffers from the same bending issues or if t...
What do you mean by bending?
strange flume
the thermalright frame exists because of the warping from the stock ILM
low pumice
Currently the ihs bending is due to weird stuff concerning how the CPU is secured in the socket on lga1700, but they might change aspects of that and make brackets unnecessary
strange flume
if they fixed the ILM on 700 series boards you shouldn't need to be as worried
harsh crow
So I should be fine so long as I use the thermalright frame right?
low pumice
Wait and see if it's necessary
wild token
Is it bad if my cpus only at 37c?
strange flume
So I should be fine so long as I use the thermalright frame right?
i mean ideally the thermalright frame you shouldn't go wrong mechanically but yeah, you could save a few if you don't need it
wild token
When I play rust my cpus only 37 max
low pumice
While doing what and cooled by what and with boosting or not
low pumice
What CPU
wild token
Tha
harsh crow
i mean ideally the thermalright frame you shouldn't go wrong mechanically but ye...
Will keep my eye out then, though at $16 it wouldn't really hurt my wallet to get it just incase if it saves me a couple weeks of waiting to get news on if the ILM has issues.
low pumice
And if fps is fine then it's fine either way
strange flume
meh, any saved money is worth it
harsh crow
My current combo for my major upgrade come the next 2-3 months including shippi...
How does this combo look?
low pumice
I'd wait for more info for everything
strange flume
new ram, new psu's, new boards and cpu's
low pumice
Like maybe ls720 is actually the best aio on the market
strange flume
LS720 
harsh crow
?
low pumice
We don't have enough testing to know for sure if it beats freezer ii
harsh crow
a 720mm aio?
strange flume
nah, 360mm
low pumice
360mm
strange flume
but it's shown potential to keep with the best cos good pump and coldplate
low pumice
Also I'd wait before deciding on ram too
And well, everything else
Prices change, products come and go
strange flume
new ram, hynix agbd, much faster than current sticks
as far as the extra perf gained? not much tho
low pumice
Maybe micron will make a comeback with the new equivalent of rev e, who knows
strange flume
ddr4 tuned is still OP in games
low pumice
True
harsh crow
Aren't Trident Sticks usually trust worthy as far as good rams sticks come? Even if it charges a bit more like (a hem, Apple).
strange flume
trident is good for guaranteed bins
low pumice
The brand doesn't matter
low pumice
trident is good for guaranteed bins
I got cjr
strange flume
but for heatsink design, not great
strange flume
ofc, I don't mean every sku
he starts with 6400, there's like, two kits of those lol
left pulsar
There are some trident stuff that's basically ripjaws + lipstick
harsh crow
he starts with 6400, there's like, two kits of those lol
I know.
low pumice
But 6400c32 of any brand should be Hynix
strange flume
imo Teamgroup 6400 is cheaper btw with a better heatsink afaik
harsh crow
Well in my case, thee only cit that ships to MX.
Mhmmmm, even so ngl I really dislike the wing design of Teamgroup sticks.....
strange flume
functionally they should be better while keeping rgb
or you can get kingston kits for no frills and still be board/cpu limited anyway
kingston fury has a good heatsink too
strange flume
6000 C40 is hynix guaranteed afaik
harsh crow
hynix?
low pumice
Manufacturer of the die
harsh crow
kingston fury has a good heatsink too
Looked at Kingston's RGB line with the same specs as the Trident Z and they want $90 more for the same stuff.
I bloody hate shipping costs....
harsh crow
Those don't show up on the list of ones that can be delivered.
strange flume
strange flume
Those don't show up on the list of ones that can be delivered.
ehhh, they're also g.skill
harsh crow
My options are like Trident Neo G5, RGB Kingston & Teamgroups, plus a couple other ones that to my knowledge have a bad reputation.
strange flume
sadge
low pumice
Theres prob drop shipping services that ships to mx
strange flume
I'd pick teamgroup then if it's cheaper
but also wait until it's actually happening
harsh crow
I'd pick teamgroup then if it's cheaper
Will cost me around $20 more for C40 vs C32.
strange flume
that's so weird lol
left pulsar
I like all these plain black LoPro dimms
strange flume
pricing order is reversed here
harsh crow
Yeah MX is weird.
low pumice
Whatever is cheaper
harsh crow
Whatever is cheaper
In that case, the Neo G5s are actually the cheapest for me at the 6400mhz cl32 and above specs.
low pumice
Then for now they're your best option
low pumice
Lower tcl better performance btw
low pumice
It's same thing
Like timing cl
harsh crow
Also does this formula still work for DDR5? I think it was mhz * 2,000 / cl
low pumice
For first word read it's a dif formula, for cl latency it can
strange flume
tCL isn't the timing that truly matters, it's the resultant timings that run using it that make a difference
low pumice
Subtimings matter more, tCl only gives you an idea of approx perf
low pumice
Wacky
low pumice
That doesn't sound right
strange flume
maybe on the redline
harsh crow
"G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR5 6400 (PC5-51200) CL32-39-39-102 1.40V Dual Channel Desktop Memory F5-6400J3239G16GA2-TZ5RK (Matte Black)"
strange flume
nah I think I've seen that before
strange flume
39 39 102 is def hynix
harsh crow
39 39 102 is def hynix
So it's good then?
strange flume
it's good but also better ram may land before next-gen
(technically already landed but not truly)
strange flume
i'm not familiar with anything other than the stock numbers of the test kits
will have to wait and see
harsh crow
Found out why the Neo G5s are cheaper then the rest. There is a 20% discount on them.
strange flume
chances are though you'll see like, xmp's in the high 6000's
harsh crow
chances are though you'll see like, xmp's in the high 6000's
Oh nice.
strange flume
g skill will have a trident z5 kit for it too I'm sure
harsh crow
I am still deciding between 32gb or 64gb for my system.
64gb would be definitely more then I need but would flush my system out as far as looks goes..... (I realize how rediculous this sound to spend a extra $300 mostly for looks)
harsh crow
Really?
strange flume
it's not like ddr4 where you can just throw 2 more in like it's fine
yeah
If you want 64gb, there are 2x32gb sticks, but I doubt you'll need that much
harsh crow
Do you think the Z790 boards will be able to handle it?
harsh crow
If you want 64gb, there are 2x32gb sticks, but I doubt you'll need that much
For me, 32gb is about the sweet spot as I can easily use up 16-20.
strange flume
2 sticks will be a lot faster than 4 sticks
running btw, 4 sticks at a really high xmp just doesn't work
harsh crow
Interesting. I knew that dual channel helped but I didn't realize having 2 sticks per channel would slow it down if I am understanding you right.
harsh crow
Got it.
harsh crow
Are fake sticks a thing?
xD.
Like can I just buy the RGB shell of the ram stick and plop it in to mimic 4 sticks.
fyi, I am joking but also curious.
strange flume
corsair made those for ddr4, maybe you'll see it for ddr5 lol
harsh crow
Wait, SERIOUSLY?!
harsh crow
Gonna stick with DDR5 for future proofing and etc.
strange flume
future proofing is never a thing
harsh crow
Plus if I am gonna get a 13900K and RTX 4090 why skimp out on the ram.
harsh crow
future proofing is never a thing
Depends. I plan to reuse these for 2 maybe 3 years.
Assuming they don't die on me before then.
CPU, and etc I'd replace like with every generation but ram can be reused.
That's how I see it at least.
Hmmmm, How badly would it affect performance if I removed one of the 3 bottom fans from the Fractal Torrent case to put a plastic beach/sea and put some figureines on top?
strange flume
lol, probably not much
harsh crow
Oh on that subject.
I checked out a local tech market in MX today and at the 3rd floor where all the techies and gamers hanged out.
The entire place was covered with anime characters (turned pretty close to explicit) all over the place including figurines that came close as well.
- a full on anime cosplay shop.....
magic sparrow
cos ddr4 is faster in games?
DDR5 faster, but only if ya got 9.5 septillion dollars and do lots of manual tuning (tho, not like DDR4 is that amazing without manual tuning either).
strange flume
If you tune both and have a nice bin, DDR4 can be faster
It will depend on the games tho
magic sparrow
Eh, DDR4 is rarely faster from what I could tell assuming one has a nice mobo, IMC (i9), DDR5 IC/PCB, and lot of tuning for both sides. Just costs a fortune tho.
DDR5 does require more tuning tho
strange flume
New gen IC's should change this
But it's still hella close
And ye it's a small fortune either way lol
magic sparrow
Think current mobos are pretty limiting too. Seems like only a few expensive mobos can do good DDR5 tunes.
strange flume
2 dimmers and ttop 4 dimmers are the ones that run away with it ye
strange flume
You got kp, apex, ux and ux itx, formula, tachyon (most of the time)
Uhhh
It's 3am, brain.exe has stopped responding
Can't remember others
Assrock aqua
shrewd juniper
Unify x i assume was ux?
strange flume
Ye
I can't remember any others, the 1dpc's are easy to remember lol
On the DDR4 side you have msi a-pro, strix d4
I think the maximus hero comes up a few times for D5 but it's still 2dpc?
strange flume
The best ddr5 frequency runners
strange flume
1dpc is a given but I can't remember any 2dpc besides like formula
glacial spindle
it does 1T command rate at 7000c30
I don't think any other boards do 1T that high
glacial spindle
tbh I haven't used any other DDR5 boards
glacial spindle
I think you covered most of them
my Z590 Unify-X is pretty good
I think tachyon is a 4 DIMM usually
strange flume
It's a 1dpc on z690
glacial spindle
any ITX is gonna be 2 DIMM
strange flume
I thought
glacial spindle
oh is it? nice
strange flume
Ye I think so, I'll double check
glacial spindle
Do they make a Taichi for Z690?
strange flume
They do
Ah yeah taichi not too bad
Not in terms of d5 oc tho I would think
Ye tachyon 1dpc
glacial spindle
I guess there are a lot of 1dpc boards now
glacial spindle
I think I remember hearing Aqua wasn't that good but not sure on that one
why that B550M thing exists I dunno lol
glacial spindle
damn I guess the Z690 Dark Classified isn't 1 dpc?
glacial spindle
I Like how they have the tachyon at $400 "lowest price in 30 days" then it's $340 the next line down
strange flume
Lol
glacial spindle
the thing with the Dark is it's MASSIVE
strange flume
It's eatx isn't it?
Ye eatx
It's nice tbh. If it fit in my case and was out earlier I'd probably have one
glacial spindle
mine barely fit
strange flume
Can't fit it without yeeting a rad in my rig tho
glacial spindle
I had to do that wacky thing with the 24-pin
strange flume
I see that
glacial spindle
but the rad is also insanely large
glacial spindle
I've seen that build like 5 times
the Apexes can have lots of issues
strange flume
Oh yeah with retraining
glacial spindle
I think Forks's got borked recently
he already RMAed it before too I'm pretty sure
glacial spindle
I think so
strange flume
Oof
glacial spindle
I dunno if Aorus Xtreme is 2 dimm
strange flume
It's not
It's the biggest waste of money on a 4 dimmer ever
Godlike joins it but with a better bios lol
Comes with a ram cover tho which is neat
So you could stick green sticks in there and still look good
You get other things on an xtreme tho
Like 10gbit ethernet iirc built in
glacial spindle
haha I was about to say
godlike seems like a total waste of money to me
I dunno what its redeeming quality is supposed to be
the Z690 even looks strange imo
glacial spindle
is that the flagship for MSI or is it the Gaming Ace? I forget
strange flume
Godlike is
glacial spindle
lol the taishi Razer B550 is actually kinda nice looking
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Ye the b550 is not terribly overpriced either
Taichi razer z690 is like, twice the price of a regular or something stupid
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wow the Maximus Extreme Glacial is $2k? That's so stupid
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Yup, another oof board
Lol
It's a nice looking monoblock tho
Would rather that msi one that BZ got
Is it the force variant?
Ye the carbon
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I thought he was using Unify-X
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I'm looking at the prices on these boards
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Lol
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& I would go with the Dark Kingpin for sure
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Ofc
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like maybe I'd consider the Tachyon but there are so many overpriced mediocre boards wth
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Or ux/uitx
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I don't know how good Unify-X is on Z690
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6866* 2T on a good one
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maybe Tachyon over U-X but I'm really sick of Gigabyte personally
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Tachyon struggled in early days
Gigglebit bios not too great
Getting better tho
UX ITX does better than UX iirc
It's also cheaper
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ya gigabyte BIOS are kinda oversimplified I feel like
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You know you might be right about the aqua tbh
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MSI are also kinda overcomplicated lol
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I can't remember any sightings of one in recent memory
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I dunno much about Asrock in general
I almost got a Taichi once but that was as close as I got to paying attention to it
maybe it's a sleeper? I kinda doubt it tho lol
Gigabyte Xtreme Waterforce $1800
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Kekw
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I truly hope that whoever made that decision is able to get help for their severe crack addiction
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I mean rgb fusion is terrible
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All that for a flashy rgb board that'll run the most cope rgb
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but Amourycrate is worse
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And you know what I agree
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& MSI center is... kinda tolerable-ish lately
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Armoury crate is horrible
I've cut out msi center on my system
I only use 1 bloat software now
Admittedly it's a bad one but I like my mouse profiles so
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Icue, mystic, L connect, all gone
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I have a razer rgb box thing
I don't even install the software
OpenRGB controls it fine so good enough for me
but ya no mouse profiles
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Ye I'd use openrgb but I like the shortcuts
So I use razer instead cos I'd lose those
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Razer wouldn't bother me so much but when you go to Task Manager there's like 7-8 things running cuz of it
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ya that's a lot of stuff going on
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I think you might be able to run it all on OpenRGB tho
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I would be able to
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G.Skill is better than TeamGroup
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there's an OpenRazer plugin
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I think it comes with it tho I'm not sure
I use the pipeline version cuz it tends to support more things
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Will have a look later
I honestly just have my mice and the razer rgb box
I've stripped a lot out
Prefer a blackout look now
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like this version
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I mean if I can get it to handle the static white and it runs then I might be able to get away with it
I lose hypershift tho which is a good like 4 or 5 mouse buttons
More if I'm on CAD with the naga pro
To be fair I've never seen if there's a software to replace the mouse programming tho 
I'll have to have a look on tuesday
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oh ya I think this is like entirely for lighting
I think you're stuck with razer
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Lol
harsh crow
What's poppin everyone?
tulip matrix
would a Deepcool ak400 be enough for a 12600kf
shrewd juniper
would a Deepcool ak400 be enough for a 12600kf
No you'd want an ak620 or an aio
spare locust
Does the vertical gpu mount actually have any substantial difference in thermals?
magic sparrow
Depends on case. Lots of cases dont allow enough space between sidepanel and GPU for good airflow and cause bad temps
spare locust
Alright, thank you
fallen jackal
Does this help my pc overheating?
azure crown
this being that deepcool cooler?
nah
case is also prolly not that great for airflow
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Why are you taking it seriously