cases-psu-and-cooling

[verbal minnow]

and looks nice

[blissful thistle]

happy to help

[verbal minnow]

currently using a 15" monitor, so anything is better really

literally a laptop thats 5 years old

[blissful thistle]

ah

[verbal minnow]

thankfully, dual monitors

[sand atlas]

Probably 1280x768 too if I had to guess

[verbal minnow]

1080 actually

[sand atlas]

Exceeds expectations

[verbal minnow]

and 60 Hz

[blissful thistle]

1080p on my 15in laptop looks great

[verbal minnow]

indeed, but is smol

[blissful thistle]

good color accuracy on mine though, prolly not so great on yours im assuming

my third monitor is 1050p and has terrible color accuracy, looks terrible

all its used for is disc lol

[verbal minnow]

its pretty good from what I've noticed. I dont have much to compare it to because I only have a 10 year old monitor to look at otherwise

i've never disliked it

except its small

So I took some parts from what you gave me and threw them in the build I had planned, and here it is
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sBCZJM

[blissful thistle]

id do the 3060 ti i linked

[verbal minnow]

yeah, forgot to change that

[blissful thistle]

also

is your laptop windows?

if so, you dont have to buy a new license

[verbal minnow]

but I had to change the MoBo because I need the extras on it and the wanted a 2TB SSD

[blissful thistle]

kk

2tb ssd is justifiable

tho maybe not the mp33 for that price

970 evo has been on sale for similar price recently

[verbal minnow]

laptop is windows

[blissful thistle]

lemme see if it still is

[verbal minnow]

200

[blissful thistle]

looks like 970 evo price is up, p5 is still 175 but mp33 will be fine

[verbal minnow]

still a partial budget build, and I'm not terribly worried about the speed of the SSD. I might factory reset my computer and re-use the drive

[blissful thistle]

kk

you dont have to buy windows tho

just download windows onto a usb drive, and then log into windows when you install it on the new pc

[verbal minnow]

its a 1TB, but its still high quality. i got it to swap the HDD it originally had

Alright. I didn't know how that all worked, so i just put that in to be sure

though, i think my computer is on my mom's account :/

[sick viper]

Is there a case that is like a briefcase or will I have to make something from a pelican case myself?

Like an osbourne I

Except not as wide

[fierce pivot]

uhh you can fit some itx cases in a pelican case

cooler master nr200, ssupd meshilicious, phanteks p200a are nice options

[sand atlas]

A lot of briefcase builds will take an open bench "case" and bolt that to the briefcase. You'll probably want a riser cable and vertical mount bracket too.

[sick viper]

I am also worried about airflow

But if it is something that stays open when being used then I guess it isn’t necessary to cut many holes into the case

It will take some planning for sure

[sand atlas]

What I've seen typically is when it's on the case is open, and the only hole you need to cut is for the power cord, which goes to an internal extension. There's lots of creative ways to solve these problems. A 3D printer would be great for projects like this.

[steel talon]

how do i know how many watts i need for my pc build

[final ledge]

pc part picker

will give you an idea

[steel talon]

and can you get a psu that has more watts than you need

yea it says around 550

[final ledge]

get a 650 gold

[steel talon]

my friend looked at my list and said i need 850

[final ledge]

what are you powering?

gpu and cpu?

[steel talon]

i5 12600k

and a rtx 3070 ti

[final ledge]

650 is more then enough

[steel talon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/P7pmP6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-pe-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0850fnfagu-1

would this work?

[final ledge]

ya

pretty sure the TDP on 3070ti is like 290

another 110 for 12600k if I remember

[steel talon]

yea bassically

[final ledge]

even if its a little more or less 850 is lots for fans and others

[steel talon]

is it bad to have that many watts when you dont need it

bc id rathe rbe safe than sorry

[final ledge]

there is a fine line in the curve were over power isn't efficient

[astral iron]

Im running a r9 3900x with a 3070ti commander pro rgb lighting node 8 case fase internal usb hub 240mm AIO and have about 15 usbs plugged in and i was running a 650w. Now i do have an 850 platinum due to the 3070ti and psu bundle from newegg...

[blissful thistle]

would not recommend

A tier 850s are similar price

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tsbkcf/bitfenix-formula-gold-750w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-bp-fm750ulag-7r this also more than enough for a 3070 ti

and good for 3080 too

[final ledge]

Thermaltake toughpower aren't bad PSU, but BitFenix is better ill give ya

[mild roost]

don't use pcpartpicker's power estimation

it's inaccurate

it only measures from tdp

and tdp really means nothing

also having too much power on psu isn't a bad thing

you might be missing out on efficiency but that's it

a good psu delivers only as much as the systems asks

[lofty pewter]

tdp is whack

[kindred plinth]

[fierce pivot]

Gold doesn't have anything to do with power supply quality

[fierce pivot]

That's actually an a tier thermaltake tbf

[fierce pivot]

They don't know what they're on about then, a good 650w could handle a 3080 and a mid end cpu just fine

[sand atlas]

Maybe a reference 3080 with the base power limit

Because spiky

But yeah

[fierce pivot]

I mean like not a strix but a low to mid range 3080 should be okay on a good psu

I mean sips briefly ran his 3090 strix on the txm 750w

[final ledge]

650w gold.... its power rating for efficiency has to do with the power supply....

[slate creek]

Not the quality of the power supply tho

[final ledge]

I never mentioned quality

[slate creek]

No point in mentioning 650 gold instead of 650w then

[final ledge]

but typically its made better to be more efficient

mention gold so that doesn't get an oven for a psu if its running daily

but ill agree to disagree, the brand type is more the quality your want to pick then the rating

[sand atlas]

Typically yes, gold is better quality. This is a trend and not a rule.
The problem with simply telling people to get a gold power supply is often the cheapest modular one is the gigabyte P-GM which is known to literally explode under load.

[final ledge]

your right on that, I shouldn't assume people will know what a good psu is to a cheap heat box bomb

[fierce pivot]

Nothing to do with quality tho

[steel talon]

whats the best case for fan/air cooling

on a budget

[elfin trout]

Freezer 34 duo and pa120 at 50$ or below

[fierce pivot]

They said case, idk but i made them few lists which they seem to be mainly ignoring soo

[elfin trout]

Oh lmao

[elfin trout]

Am kinda blind

[fierce pivot]

Is okay i forgiv

[steel talon]

lol i like your list but i dont know abt that case

[fierce pivot]

What about it lol?

[elfin trout]

Mx330-g air p360a p400a neo air lancool 215 and some more for <100$

[steel talon]

someone said it was an oven lol

[elfin trout]

What case is an oven

[fierce pivot]

P400a???

[steel talon]

yea

[fierce pivot]

Uhh no

[elfin trout]

GN literally gave p400a case of the year

Who said it was an over

[fierce pivot]

It's very good case

[steel talon]

some rando guy

[elfin trout]

Bruh

https://youtu.be/ZfXQQZtD_SI

[past harbor]

$110 at newegg (sold by SuperFlower), the A-tier Leadex iii 850w https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-850f14hg-850w/p/1HU-024C-00005

[tame cape]

There is something in my case, help, what do I do? 🤣💀

[sand atlas]

Burn the house down

It's a lost cause, the spider owns it now

[hollow leaf]

No way. Let him live in there as your pc minion.

[sand atlas]

If by minion you mean like the little yellow guys that are always starting fires and dropping bombs then yes it's a minion

[weary vine]

Lmfao

[solid scaffold]

have anyone ever encountered the issue of a power supply burning as soon as u get it?

or only a fan hub power supply cord gets burnt?

nvm

[tame cape]

With Mars gaming PSU (almost 2 years) nothing happened 🔥

I'd like to understand why so many people say cheap PSUs will explode or start a fire, what does actually make them risky to work with?
Capacitors? Bad cables? Voltage peaks?

[fluid kettle]

Because they use cheaper parts in the psu such as capacitors and it’s just a risk that could potentially damage your whole system

[elfin trout]

For explosive Bois, p-gm is still a confusing case, supposedly switching fets too stressed and some caps blew up, for fires, it's just something is overstressed, and the PSU doesn't have OTP, so it burns itself alive

And the thing is, it's not gonna blow up on turning on, it only rears its ugly head after certain amount of stress, and you don't really want to ever risk having that in your system

W1 has shown to light on fire in testing, yet some people have used it, and it has gone fine, because that tipping point wasn't reached for them, but that doesn't mean you should risk it

[blissful thistle]

@fringe granite isnt the segotep GP B tier?

checking the list again, its low pri C

[elfin trout]

Uh

[elfin trout]

Looks like b tier to me

[blissful thistle]

Thanks

[steady spoke]

is the tu150 a good case

[blissful thistle]

I'm blind

[elfin trout]

Lian li tu150, yea, pretty decent

[steady spoke]

is p12 fan ok

or should i get faster fans

more pressure fans

[elfin trout]

Arctic p12 is good

[steady spoke]

would higher pressure fans help much

in terms of cooling

[elfin trout]

P12 is good enough

[steady spoke]

okay thank you

[lilac charm]

Does anyone know somewhere to get short extender PCI-e 6+2 cables? I'm building in a very small case and only need about 2 inches to reach the graphics card. Also sorry if I put this in the wring chat..

[sand atlas]

Cablemod could probably do that

[past harbor]

They could definitely do that, but don't expect a big discount just because the cables are short, lol.

[hollow leaf]

What is the coolest looking case that has good cooling? Idc about price.

I figure I've already spent 2k on everything without the gpu (3.2k with gpu) i may as well grab a case that looks better than the 4000D

[fierce pivot]

How dare you insult 4000d 😤

[hollow leaf]

Hehe

[fierce pivot]

Fractal torrent is cool but not great for aios better off with custom loop/air

[hollow leaf]

I think this is what I might strive for as a next build.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N1GP2GZ?tag=vc000-20

Or when I make the switch to custom loop.

Gotta have a good gpu/cpu worth using a custom loops first.

Id think itd be overkill for a 12600k lol

[fierce pivot]

Very much so, for custom loop you'd want to have 12900ks/3090/6900xt

[hollow leaf]

Yeah thats what I'm thinking. I probably won't have the $ for the cpu for a while so I may as well start saving up for 13th gen

At least my $ spending hobby went to computers instead of vaping lol

[fierce pivot]

Health

You could look into the hyte y60? Think it's called, if you want a flusher o11 looking case

Idk what kinda asthetic you looking for?

Perfection
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W3JgXL/asus-tuf-gaming-gt301-zaku-ii-edition-atx-mid-tower-case-tuf-gaming-gt301-zaku-ii-edition

This one is interesting...
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/r2rYcf/segotep-phoenix-atx-mid-tower-case-phoenix

[hollow leaf]

That is butt ugly lol

[hollow leaf]

I like the look of that.

I like the see through stuff. Something that when someone walks in they are like "whoa"

[fierce pivot]

Yeah i was being sarcastic xD

[surreal magnet]

the version of that with the mesh front panel is actually awesome

that one looks gross tho

the y60 is pog

[fierce pivot]

I'd say it would look cool ye

[hollow leaf]

My sata cable has 4 sata connectors.. which one do I plug into my fan controller or does it matter?

[elfin trout]

Doesn't matter

[hollow leaf]

The one at the very end has an R on it

Thats why I'm wondering.

Ok thank you.

[elfin trout]

Yw

[ember plinth]

guys looking for case that have good cooling system

[blissful thistle]

budget

[ember plinth]

no limit budget

[blissful thistle]

everyone has a budget

otherwise youd drop $500 on a case and be done with it

price aside https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4fhFf7/corsair-7000d-airflow-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011218ww

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk caring about price

@ember plinth

[ember plinth]

thank you sorry for late

[blissful thistle]

p360a also good choice

for $90

this looks like a surprisingly decent case aside from how fine the front mesh is, opinions anyone? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vDhmP6/cooler-master-masterbox-mb311l-argb-microatx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b311l-kgnn-s02

psu length seems restricting though

140mm

[lucid sentinel]

I like the Phanteks P500 best

[scenic lance]

a friend of mine was thinking of building in the tu150, and it looks not bad performance wise, is this true?

it doesnt look like there is official 240 rad support

but you could probably fit it with a really skinny dual slot card

[blissful thistle]

Do they really need the handle

[scenic lance]

yeah they’re bringing it around places

I’ve also been looking at Sff for a while but i’m not sure if i want to cave in

[blissful thistle]

For the price of a sff 3060 ti build you can do a full 3080 build

[scenic lance]

Damn

[fierce pivot]

Ehh depends you can deff get a 3080 build not to much more, only thing is mobo maybe bit more and psu a tad more

[agile sinew]

I have problem with my PC, it shut down and started back up by itself today, twice, I suspect it's the PSU, could someone help me?

[elfin trout]

Could be worth checking if front io header is being jumped accidentally somehow

[agile sinew]

like as if someone unplugged the power supply or something

no warning, no loading, just off

[elfin trout]

anything in event viewer?

or using smth like whocrashed?

[agile sinew]

looking rn, if there's nothing, it might be hardware related

[tame cape]

What PSU? Is it enough for your components (wattage)?
Does it happen randomly?, while gaming?, working?

[tame cape]

Wait...I'm getting a bit confused...
Load wattage 140? Isn't that the limit of all component running at max TDP?

54w + 136w = 190w

Ups?

Huh? 🤨

Explain to me these things

[fierce pivot]

Eh just ignore those calculators, gpu tdp if no oc is pretty normal but cpu tdp is iffy

[agile sinew]

nah all good

[past harbor]

UPS is just a battery backup & they're usually measured in Volt-amperes instead of watts. No issue

[dire stump]

I'm looking at a list of PSU's to choose for my Gaming PC/Workstation and I used the pinned spreadsheet to develop my list. Would I really NEED a platinum or Titanium PSU? I'm using this PC for Gaming (of course) and Game Development/3D modeling. looking at 1000w PSU's to power a Ryzen 9 5950x and 6900XT

[elfin trout]

no

[sand atlas]

Bronze is fine honestly, if there were any bronze 1000W units. There's a tier list pinned, you want an A tier.

[elfin trout]

It's never a need, gold/plat/titanium is just efficiency rating, doesn't even say anything about quality

[dire stump]

Yeah I'm going off the subjective tiers and only selected Tier 1 "Top of the line/best"

[elfin trout]

uh

sounds like the wrong list

We're talking this list
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[dire stump]

I was using the google doc one

[elfin trout]

the what

[dire stump]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i6gYAlEEB8Wpbr4E3jY3ctuYvNR5SiuokzPLb5WiQlw/edit#gid=0

it's in that same pinned message

[elfin trout]

Oh I don't like that one lol

[dire stump]

yeah it's a mess to look at

[elfin trout]

and those are subjective tiers

It even says they're subjective tiers without methodology

unlike the other tier list with clearly outlined methodology
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/edit#gid=1214219159

[sand atlas]

Yeah the Cultists list uses actual testing, reviews, and other reports to tier the units

[dire stump]

there's no grade for any of the 1000w PSU's I'm looking at

[elfin trout]

on the PSU tier list?

popular ones like g6 amp focus rmx and such all have tiers

on this tier list that is
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[sand atlas]

Pretty sure the one on docs hasn't been updated in a long time

[elfin trout]

yea

[dire stump]

I've narrowed down my choices before the cultists network spreadsheet to a few EVGA, Seasonic, and a thermaltake one

none of the models I'm looking at have a grade

[elfin trout]

@urban tulip I say it's probably time to take the other spreadsheet off the pin

why not use the cultist network website and not the sheet? The sheet is mainly for sources, the website is the actual tier list

[dire stump]

I'm trying to figure out the website

[elfin trout]

You just scroll down or control f for the PSU

[sand atlas]

This is the cheapest 1000+W A tier right now https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QX3gXL/phanteks-amp-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ph-p1000g

[dire stump]

well as long as it won't blow my PC up it's replacing the one in the list

[sand atlas]

I haven't heard of it blowing up on anyone lol

And we've recommended that model hundreds of times

[elfin trout]

It's just a focus rebrand

There's also g6 being an tweaked focus rebrand
https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1000-g6-220-g6-1000-x1-1000w/p/N82E16817438215?Item=N82E16817438215

[dire stump]

I had the Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium in there before kind of as a placeholder kind of not

I was also looking at that one too

tbh I think between that Phanteks and that EVGA PSU's I might stick with EVGA because I've had good luck with them before

[elfin trout]

Also some cwt representation because why not
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08R5PH1VY

[dire stump]

also had that pulled up

[elfin trout]

and some SF representation too
https://www.newegg.com/evga-supernova-1000-p2-220-p2-1000-xr-1000w/p/N82E16817438013

And essentially the same PSU but newer
https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-platinum-se-sf-1000f14mp-v2-1000w/p/1HU-024C-00020

at least I'm pretty sure leadex plat se uses a newer leadex plat platform

whatever, the more options the merrier, right?

[dire stump]

I think I'll go with the Phanteks one instead

[elfin trout]

Amp is a simple focus rebrand, nothing wrong with it

[dire stump]

alright thanks for the help!

[elfin trout]

:)

[urban tulip]

true, i agree

i edited it

its kinda outdated ig now ngl

[elfin trout]

Neat

[swift bone]

Weird question here but does anybody have a good case suggestion that would fit into a typical school backpack and can accommodate a gtx 770 founders edition card

[mild roost]

uh, if you don't have an itx mobo and an sfx psu. then you'll have to buy some and a new case

at that point i'd rather get a laptop

[swift bone]

Yea

[sand atlas]

^ Especially since laptops are much more powerful than a 770 at this point

[swift bone]

The 770 is just what I have in hand atm

Planning on upgrading my actual desk rig and wanted to try and cobble together a sff pc to carry around at school for a laugh

Plan on just taking a few parts from my current rig after upgrading and re using them for the sff one

And it’d be cheaper to reuse my desktop parts to make a kinda portable gaming setup that can fit in a bag

Prob not gonna actually go through with it but it peaked my interest so I’m researching

[sand atlas]

You'd be looking at $250 for a SFF case, $200 for the mobo, and $100 for the PSU roughly

[swift bone]

Ok

[mild roost]

that's around 550-600

it's definitely possible to get a laptop with r5 5500u or something

if used 1070 laptop is possible

[swift bone]

Alr

Only thing I’m worried about is cooling

I’ve had a look around on r/SFFPC which seems to use a lot of water cooling

[mild roost]

most laptops these days aren't bad at cooling

[swift bone]

Yea

I meant the sff desktop

There are low profile coolers

[mild roost]

ah yeah

[swift bone]

But I’ve seen a bit of aio water coolers

[sand atlas]

SFF you'll often end up with an AIO since low profile coolers can't handle modern processors as well without sacrificing a lot of performance

[swift bone]

Yea

That’s what I figured

[lofty pewter]

Why 1000w? Smth like 850w is fine for that. There arent much options, if any exactly RN, that have 12+4P support. The extra 4P is required to have the full 600w of the connector, without the 4P (such as a 3x8P to 12+0P adapter) the connector is limited to 450w. Meaning it'll still be quite limiting for future "proofing" despite it being 1000w.

[dire stump]

future proofing because I'm seeing the trend of graphics cards demanding more and more power

[sand atlas]

Nvidia will be pretty power hungry next gen, but AMD isn't nearly as bad. They're going with a more efficient big/little layout like Intel did on CPUs.

[lofty pewter]

Aye, but as I said with the 12+4P/12+0P issues, you're limited to a 525w card (unless some madman has a 4x8P card lol).
240w CPU (being real generous here with PBO OC, you'll likely get no more then 220w, most likely be at 200w, or less if no PBO)
525w GPU
70w system
Puts you at 835w. Any decent PSU can do 10% overload pretty easily (935w for 850w PSU) so you still have another 100w left for >1ms GPU transients.

[sand atlas]

Kingpin 3090 ti has dual 12 pin right?

There's your 4x8 pin right there

[lofty pewter]

I find it unlikely for most standard cards to do dual 12P., but it's possible. I also feel like FE is going to cap out at 450w - 500w for PL and only a few AIBs will do 600w+

[blissful thistle]

Rmx 1000w is 150

[lofty pewter]

Also will depends on whether they are prepping for next gen, or next-next gen, as they already have a top of the line system. Farther you go out in the future, less support you get for old hardware. So after next gen there will be less cards with dual 12P for the sake of supporting old PSUs (only other reason is for LN2 like KP which wont be cheap).

IMO, future "proofing" with a non-12+4P PSU seems like a bad idea.

[past harbor]

That sure is the opposite (of future proof). Definitely not a great time for people to spend a ton on a psu (at least if planning to use w/ a 40 series).

[sand atlas]

40 series will have adapters at least

Also I was mistaken, kingpin 3090 ti has dual 16 pin power https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/evga-rtx-3090-ti-ftw3-kingpin-hybrid.b9562

[blissful thistle]

jesus

[sand atlas]

No kidding. Potential for 1200W without going out of spec on the cables.

[blissful thistle]

1600w psu with 12900ks, fully unlock pl

that wont even be enough lol

[sand atlas]

Do we have the first ATX 3.0 spec power supplies out yet?

Not as far as I can see

[lofty pewter]

Yes, they will have 3x8P to 12+0P (in a 12+4P layout) adapters. However, those extra 4Ps are needed to fully unlock the connector. Running a 12+4P as a 12+0P limits the connector to 450w out of the 600w it has.

No one has said anything about making a 4x8P to 12+4P adapter and I feel like it wont happen as one probably cant get the data pins to work without proper support from the PSU side.

[sand atlas]

Exactly why I brought up the ATX 3.0 PSUs that don't seem to exist yet

[lofty pewter]

I remember one article about smth, but Im pretty sure it was just a showcase thing saying it'll release soon.

Yeah it was GB, but kinda whack. Only 2.31 rather then 3.0 yet still has 12+4P
https://www.gigabyte.com/Press/News/1975
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-gp-ud1000gm-pg5-1000-w/p/N82E16817233034

[hollow willow]

Is there any problem in running a higher rated power supply and not using it. Like say getting a 1000w psu but only max needing an 850w or so?

[sand atlas]

No problem at all, if anything it's more efficient

Power supplies tend to reach peak efficiency around 60-75% load

[hollow willow]

Oh ok. Cause I was thinking of getting a 3080 or 4080 or whatever comes out, but I would still upgrade more parts down the road so I was thinking I might aswell get a 1000W to make sure if I do a lil over locking that I’ll be ok

I have a 750w rn

[blissful thistle]

What 750?

[fierce pivot]

Even a good 750w isn't enough for 4080 according to leaks

[blissful thistle]

the h510 flow is the not terrible version of the h510, right?

[fierce pivot]

Correct

[sand atlas]

That's why they were considering 1000W

[fierce pivot]

Yes was mainly in response to bacca asking what 750w

[sand atlas]

Ah I see

[blissful thistle]

Ye, they said 3080 or 4080

[sand atlas]

Not terrible but still not great. It's better at least.

And it is an option on BLD

[lofty pewter]

Please look at the discussion just above your message. There was a bit of talk about future "proofing" with current 1000w+ PSUs. My personal stance was that it wasnt a great idea due to connector and adapter issues.

Basically, new connector is 12+4P and current adapters are only 3x8P to 12+0P. Those extra 4P are data pins to allow the 12P to run at 600w instead of 450w. There arent any 4x8P to 12+4P adapters and I doubt there will be due to spec requirements for transient loads. There are also almost no PSUs with 12+4P connectors built into them and the ones that do dont meet the new standard spec for PSUs. Meaning you either get the few specific PSUs that still dont technically meet the specs and may or may not work (mostly due to transient issues), or you get an old PSU that can never truly take advantage of the new connector

3080 is just fine on the 750w you have, so long as it isnt a bad PSU. So long as transients of the new GPUs arent wildly different then current GPUs, you should even be able to run a power limited 4080 (as in, use the 3x8P to 12+0P adapter for 450w cable + 75w PCIe) with a mid end CPU (~150w).

[sand atlas]

Eh, maybe a 750W is fine with a 4080 given a low power processor. 4080 upper limit is rumored at 450W.

[lofty pewter]

I mean unless we got some whack adapter or vBIOS that ignores connector limits, 4080 aint gonna be taking more then 525w if using an old PSU

[sand atlas]

Maybe they'll put two of the 12+0(4) plugs on the 4090 to get around the fact that there's literally no ATX 3.0 PSU available yet

Like on the kingpin 3090 ti

[scenic lance]

didnt leaks say that 4080s would require 600W of powa?

[sand atlas]

That's 4090

[scenic lance]

right

[blissful thistle]

4080 i imagine will be around 400w

with spikes up to 500

[sand atlas]

And that's only a theoretical max, more conservative estimates are 500W stock up to 600W max overclock

[blissful thistle]

escanor said leaked specs are all but confirmed or smthn along those lines

[sand atlas]

Yeah but leaks are leaks lol

[blissful thistle]

so i think 600w is about right

ye but when theyre confirmed by a nvidia engineer, its kinda... more than leaks

[sand atlas]

True enough

[scenic lance]

[blissful thistle]

im scared to see what aibs will have to do to cool a 4090

[sand atlas]

Some AIBs are working on 4 slot coolers

[scenic lance]

well what makes a good PSU besides 80+ rating and going for smth that you're gonna use about 70% of

[blissful thistle]

none of that does

check pins

anything under the A or B tier section of the psu list

and if going 750w or higher id do A tier only

[scenic lance]

One problem tho

I live in Australia

[blissful thistle]

ah

psu list still stands

[scenic lance]

And our power plugs push out 230V of power

[sand atlas]

A tier for XX80 and higher, B tier is fine for XX70, C tier is ok for XX60. I wouldn't go below C tier ever.

[scenic lance]

Yeah Ive got a list with an 850W PSU as im running a 6900XT with an i7 12700K

[blissful thistle]

id look for mpg, d.f, leadex iii,bitfenix whisperm/formula

[sand atlas]

MSI A-GF and Corsair RMx have been good prices lately

I saw RM850x for $105 earlier

[scenic lance]

Danm

Lemmie take a look

[sand atlas]

Oh there's the leadex III in #tech-deals too for $105, it's a bit loud but solid A tier

[scenic lance]

no discount for australia

also what're your thoughts on a positive airflow case?

I was looking at the fractal torrent

[sand atlas]

Positive airflow is best

[scenic lance]

oh?

[sand atlas]

Torrent is good for air cooling and custom loops

[scenic lance]

ahhh fair enough

[sand atlas]

Not so much for AIO

[scenic lance]

yeah

i was always surprised that most 360 aios pull air

[lofty pewter]

Honestly PSU tier list will mostly likely change a lot after atx 3.0 PSUs comes out

[sand atlas]

Positive airflow helps keep dust out of the system, since it's not pulling air from gaps in the case and all the air goes through whatever filters you have

[sand atlas]

Maybe they'll just add another color for the 3.0 ones

[lofty pewter]

Huge transient changes in the PSU spec afaik, need to be really strict about getting any PSU rn for 4090 or smth. Prolly will need to run the 4090 on a unlimited vBIOS or get lucky with 2x12+4P cards existing

Methodolgy needs to change to show what old PSUs can do 3.0 spec, sorta

[sand atlas]

Yeah I bet some units like RMx won't need much more than a new cable to add, since it's already so tight on the specs. I'd have to look at the testing and compare to 3.0 spec to be sure.

[blissful thistle]

yeah i still wish i had spent an extra $15 on the rmx 750 over 650

since then i couldve kept psu for a mid 40 series

[lofty pewter]

RN there are two issues. One is how they'll make an adapter with the data pins, as that wont be easy afaik. The other is the transient issues. Pretty sure that'll be where most if not all PSUs will struggle. Current PSUs already struggle with Ampere transients.

[sand atlas]

Mid 40s won't be as bad as upper, but that's still up in the air

[blissful thistle]

there actually is a 16 pin adapter i think that came with the rmx

but i could be wrong, might be smthn else

[sand atlas]

It's 12 pin for 30 FE

[blissful thistle]

looks like it though

oh youre right

[lofty pewter]

That was a 12+0P

[blissful thistle]

thought it was 16

just counted

[lofty pewter]

Ye, remember that "16P" is 12+4P

[blissful thistle]

ye

[sand atlas]

I actually have that cable lol, totally worth it. Picked it up from local best buy.

[scenic lance]

yeah?

i thought it would force more dust into the system

[sand atlas]

The filters get dustier but that's because they're being used more

That means they're working lol

[blissful thistle]

im waiting on a sale on a 1000w+ psu, since i plan on rebuilding later this year (prolly keeping gpu, and will give the cpu+mb to a cousin or smthn)

[blissful thistle]

keeping an eye on b stock

[scenic lance]

fair enuf

[hollow willow]

@sand atlas @lofty pewter @fierce pivot thanks for your help! I’ll stick with my current psu for now until I am able to upgrade everything

[fierce pivot]

Np

[twin fog]

im getting the q300p,should i buy extra fans?

[mild roost]

i suggest different case

cause that one has no mesh on the front, which equals to bad airflow

adding fans will only help so much

in the end it'll still be blocked by lack of vents

[twin fog]

ok,thx

[proper crystal]

Jonnyguru sent this to me

[fierce pivot]

The fact that jonnyguru works at corsair makes me highly doubt that x)

[past harbor]

You can put text & a pic in 1 "msg", lol. That G3 is overall a pretty solid psu btw.

[elfin trout]

They said it was a review unit so not that unlikely

[fierce pivot]

Ahh fair enough

[fervent canyon]

Pato Is there a good psu that doesn't have ketchup and mustard cables that's around like 50 dollara

[proper crystal]

He told me he tested that himself and was saving it. Probably not for me but for someone else, but I'm glad I got my hands on it

[sand atlas]

What parts is it going to be supporting? So we know how many Watts it needs to be

[fervent canyon]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PQFTMb

[sand atlas]

What GPU?

[fervent canyon]

1070ti

[sand atlas]

How do you feel about mail in rebates? You can get a C tier 600W for $40 after rebate

[fervent canyon]

What that mean

No c tier to risky

[sand atlas]

C tier is good enough for low end builds but I'll look for a B

[fervent canyon]

Ok

[sand atlas]

B tier that's $45 after MIR, with RGB as a bonus https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3Hwkcf/corsair-cxf-550-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020216-na

[fervent canyon]

Cool

What is Mail in rebate

[scenic lance]

it's like a coupon you get with the product that you mail in and they send you back x amount

They like to do it because a looooooot of people can't be bothered lol

[fervent canyon]

So I have to send them something

[scenic lance]

in the mail typically yes

little postcard/letter thingy

[fervent canyon]

Does it cost money?

[scenic lance]

stamps maybe?

[sand atlas]

Lately some companies have been doing online rebates

[fervent canyon]

Other than stamps

[scenic lance]

nope, I think they send a check back though for actual mail ones

[fervent canyon]

Ok

Thanks @sand atlas

[sand atlas]

Or prepaid Visa cards

[fervent canyon]

I need 80 dollars to but one part then I can build but how could I get the remaining 80

[sand atlas]

Here's the rebate form for the PSU, and you'd get a prepaid Mastercard https://images10.newegg.com/uploadfilesfornewegg/rebate/SH/Corsair7MIRsMay01May3122jd56.pdf

[fervent canyon]

So I'd just fill that out?

And put it in the mail

After I get the psu

[sand atlas]

Yep. And include a copy of the receipt from Newegg and cut the UPC barcode off the box.

[fervent canyon]

Cool

Thanks

[sand atlas]

Once you send it in wait a couple weeks and check the status on www.rapid-rebates.com/corsair

[fervent canyon]

Ok

Could I order a psu before the other parts

Or is that bad

[sand atlas]

The rebate is good until the end of this month, you have until the 31st to buy it. You can get it now or later.

[fierce pivot]

If you include mail in rebates, like i put in your list for you corsair cxf 550w

[scenic lance]

apart from cooling, japanese capacitors, and multi-rail circuits what makes a psu reliable and safe?

[quartz wagon]

i mean you can build a great passive PSU nowadays with the low loads of a modern PC and efficiency ratings

many PSUs roll properly at passive.. like i've done it with my 1500i, and some seasonic units a bit

but if you have a good fan in a PSU, all the power to it spinning at low RPMs

still better for longevity

[elfin trout]

Take a look at PSU reviews, if you really want to get in depth, look at this
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/power-supplies-101,4193.html

[quartz wagon]

1500i advertisement 🙃 ,

[elfin trout]

Generally it's voltage regulation and protections you might want to look at

[quartz wagon]

ain't gonna lie, it's a fine looking unit..

[elfin trout]

Still not sure how to feel about inaccurate pwr ok but it's a factor

[quartz wagon]

shame iCUE sucks also

still use LINK with mine

[scenic lance]

its exactly what I was looking for thanks for the article

[elfin trout]

You're welcome

[quartz wagon]

i mean there's a lot more to it if you want to delve deeper

[scenic lance]

gotta start somewhere other than the cesspool of people trying to argue whether single rail or multi rail is better

[quartz wagon]

such an old school argument 😄

[scenic lance]

yep but thats what my searches led to 🙄

[quartz wagon]

yeah it's a shame stuff isn't more straight forward out there

and people still spread fud when it comes to PSUs

[scenic lance]

the information age is suffering from success

[elfin trout]

Tbh, it really doesn't matter until beyond like 850w lol

[quartz wagon]

jguru did a test on that

the cable burned at 40a so it's actually lower

[elfin trout]

Even then some multi rail units have none of the upsides of multi rail, like a850gf is multi rail, but still only one ocp tripping point for all 12v rails

[scenic lance]

Yeah I needed a 1kW psu to maximize efficiency and leave room for overclocking

[elfin trout]

So none of the benefits of more sensitive protections

[quartz wagon]

you probably don't need a kilowatt tho

[elfin trout]

Unless 3090kp or smth

Literally 1kw pl

[scenic lance]

really?

[elfin trout]

A-gf is just a weird unit

[quartz wagon]

yeah there are also single rail advertised units that are actually multi inside

[elfin trout]

Ocp is weird, bulk caps are sad, and pwr ok is inaccurate for some reason

[scenic lance]

sounds like false advertising if i take your word for it

[quartz wagon]

bulk caps don't matter much tho, they don't fail as often as secondary

it's done a lot.

[elfin trout]

Its not false advertising, I dunno if it even advertised multi rail, it's just really weird ocp

[elfin trout]

Bulk caps can matter when the hold-up time is half of what the ATX standard requires lol

[quartz wagon]

i mean it's not that bad

[elfin trout]

Standard is what, 12ms, agf does 6ms or so

So it's just sad

[quartz wagon]

realistically you don't see PSUs being bad in real world due to having worst hold-up times

[elfin trout]

Theoretically it can kill your system

But who knows

[quartz wagon]

it can but it doesn't happen often yeah

[elfin trout]

Inaccurate pwr ok too

[quartz wagon]

i get that on my 1500i sometimes

[elfin trout]

So a-gf is a great unit in most aspects but wacky in other aspects

[quartz wagon]

they tend to be great in price tho.

[elfin trout]

I still dunno what to think of it

[quartz wagon]

making them some actually good choices

i'm not huge on aris' content tbf.

[scenic lance]

I mean wouldnt OCP be a bigger concern when you live in an area which pushes 240V out of the power sockets?

[elfin trout]

I like Aris

[quartz wagon]

he told me uh

that he took components out and re-soldered them - which made him get lower ripple

that and a bunch of other BS.

[elfin trout]

I mean, if it works, it works

[quartz wagon]

OCP doesn't care whether you're pushing 100v or 240 from the plug

it matters when there's an internal short

which is a rare occasion in itself

[scenic lance]

ohbwait

you rite

[elfin trout]

Ocp is on the 12v/5v/3.3v rails

And if you're drawing too much

[scenic lance]

it stops your components from drawing more than 20A

[elfin trout]

Transient response things

[elfin trout]

Depends on the unit

[quartz wagon]

nothing to do with transient response lol.

it's just cables pulling more power

OCP literally stands for overcircuit protection point

[elfin trout]

GPU transient response, I should specify

Uh, over current protection

[quartz wagon]

same thing

still doesn't matter whether a unit is multi rail or single at this time

[elfin trout]

I was kinda referencing ampere spikes tripping ocp on some units

[scenic lance]

current and circuit are two different things lol

[quartz wagon]

cause the OCP is set high on individual rails

those were fixed with later drivers.

it was the cards being problematic, not PSUs

[elfin trout]

Afaik still do on the pre 2018 focus units

[quartz wagon]

just nonsense

[elfin trout]

Not the early ampere failures, the PSU tripping

[quartz wagon]

as long as you have enough power, it shouldn't trip

[elfin trout]

I mean, if the rail out of spec, the PSU should trip, or something else is wrong

[quartz wagon]

how is a rail out of spec tho

[elfin trout]

It's just dependent on how sensitive the protections are

[quartz wagon]

realistically your gaming PC with freesync doesn't put a load those big load testers do.

[elfin trout]

If your GPU spikes and is drawing 30a through a 12v rail for 5ms, and spec says the 12v rail should trip at 25a, that's when it's out of spec, and may trip

[quartz wagon]

that won't happen IRL with FPS cap

[elfin trout]

Guess I should've worded it better

But anyways

[quartz wagon]

it doesn't matter for most people

also which 12v rail trips at 25a

it's not like this is 2009

even those multi rails are typically set towards 40a

and that's nominally for one set of cables..

[elfin trout]

For sake of argument lol

Just throwing out random numbers

[quartz wagon]

again, it doesn't matter

even crapper tier PSUs survive realistically nowadays

but yeah, buy the good stuff.

[elfin trout]

p-gm

[elfin trout]

Honestly, it really doesn't matter, but just talking about how things work.

Theoretically, no one should be using quad 3090s on a single PSU, and then Puget systems tested it

[blissful thistle]

@elfin trout your shill is almost down to normal 850 price https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KqbTwP/evga-supernova-g6-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g6-0850-x1

[lofty pewter]

3090FE's (320w power target) 10-20ms peak transients is 358w, 1-5ms peak transients is 440w, and <1ms peak transients is 573w. Pretty high transients tbf, now imagine that with a 400w - 500w power target.

[elfin trout]

nice

[fierce pivot]

122 still a tad high for an 850w :(

[blissful thistle]

Yeah I said it's almost down to 850 price :p

[fierce pivot]

Fair enough i am blind

[blissful thistle]

Hi blind, I'm rawr

Wait no I forgot to change accounts

[fierce pivot]

Lol

[past harbor]

Since I have the pretty decent supposedly B tier G+ evga (650w), think I should just return or resell the G5 750w that was $80? Although probably not shabby for a possible 3070 or similar. Like a dummy I didn't even check amazon, ohwell.

[wide parrot]

Can anyone reccomend an inexpensive micro ATX case? Looking to go as small as possible while keeping price somewhere around $70 including 3 fans

Found a rosewill FBM-X2 for $50 but reviews say airflow isn't the best and imooen to other options

[blissful thistle]

Check out the mb311l

Technichally a bit over 70, but great case

Mx330-x,-g, and -g air are good options as well

Not sure if they're matx though

[wide parrot]

Looks like they're atx mid

Part of the reason I was eyeing the rosewill case is that it's around 15x14in

Apparently it was $27 when it first released??

[blissful thistle]

mb311 is def matx

the fmb x2 has a solid front panel

tempsw ill not be good at all

[wide parrot]

yeah the mb311 is matx, I don't think the others are

[bronze bay]

looking into upgrading my case from a phanteks pro m tg to eventually custom water cool. Was looking at the p500a and meshify 2. Any other suggestion around that size case?

[elfin trout]

5000d airflow perhaps

[bronze bay]

yeah i have a love/hate relationship with corsair. I like the fan layout of the 5000d and the meshify 2 but i also like phanteks overall in general.

[elfin trout]

Yea, P500a is nice

[hoary epoch]

The 5000d also has a nice cable management compartment

[blissful thistle]

P600s is an amazing case, it's only like $1127 on amazon

Super budget friendly

[hoary epoch]

indeed budget friendly

[granite trail]

CORSAIR CX650F RGB or EVGA SuperNOVA 650 GA?

[blissful thistle]

Depends on the price

Out of the two, cxf

But there might be a better unit at the same price

[mild roost]

P600 exists?

woa

[granite trail]

EVGA's is $10 cheaper

[hollow leaf]

If I got a GPU that requires 3 plugs and my PSU only has 2 of them that I need (I don't want to daisy chain right?) How do I go about getting another plug that I need?

[hoary epoch]

What PSU and what gpu

[brittle arch]

Which direction is airflow for phanteks 360

Is this set up where air is coming in?

[granite trail]

Corsair iCUE 220T Airflow or 275R Aifrlow?

[mild roost]

it sucks air in

the grate side with detailed logo is where air flows out

the front side without the grate is where air flows in

unless the fans are reverse in direction, which im sure the ones in the case aren't

[hollow leaf]

sorry for late reply. Red Devil 6900xt/PSU link - https://www.newegg.com/antec-high-current-gamer-extreme-series-hcg1000-extreme-1000w/p/N82E16817371112?Item=N82E16817371112

[hoary epoch]

You can daisy chain the last two

[hollow leaf]

That's not a bad thing?

[past harbor]

Not bad, just unoptimal (because it's possibly limiting a GPU, but 375w is still quite a bit so shouldn't really notice a performance loss). + what Hay said. My 1080 could easily run on a single cable w/ 2 connectors, but still hooked up a full 2nd cable.

[lofty pewter]

Less cables = more resistance, GPU gets like 0.1% less power then it requests and loses like 0.1% FPS. Also means it's easier for connectors to fail, but still pretty hard for a connector to fail with daisy chain.

If connectors arent bad quality and are in optimal condition (no oxidization, fully plugged in, pin isnt half unplugged, good solder connection from cable to connector, etc)

[fierce pivot]

That's odd, if they didn't send a 3rd pcie power you might be able to contact customer service to get another one because it is 1000w, and yeah you can daisy chain one

[hollow leaf]

The web page says i should have gotten 4.

But reviews say that it only comes with 2

[fierce pivot]

Wtf lol, contact antec

[hollow leaf]

Alright I will. I am probably never going to do business with Antec again though if I can help it.

Their qc is so crappy.

Its a wonder how they are rated so highly.

[fierce pivot]

That sucks

[hollow leaf]

Very. Missing psu cables.. wrong wires in 2 boxes of pwm fans. 1 whole box of fans lights are defective.

4/5 product I've gotten from them have had some sort of issue.

[wide parrot]

EVGA W1 500w okay for a 3060ti / 5600X build? Not planning to overclock and non-modular is fine bc the case doesn't have a glass panel

[weary vine]

id go 650 tbh

500 is cutting it wayyyyyy too close

[wide parrot]

Ok. I have a 650 on my main build and am making a smaller one. PCPartPicker is showing 330w estimated draw so I thought 500 would be high enough above that

[weary vine]

that doesnt account for spikes

just average

da spikeys are the problem

[blissful thistle]

I disagree, depending in what tier the w1 is

3060 ti doesn't spike that much, no way it'd hit over 300w

[weary vine]

F

[blissful thistle]

As in its f tier?

[blissful thistle]

I wouldnt touch that thing with a 10 foot pole then lmao

[blissful thistle]

^

[wide parrot]

Lol

[blissful thistle]

Good 500w would be fine

That thing is a bomb

[wide parrot]

No wonder it's on sale then

[weary vine]

@wide parrot call the bomb disposal team to deal with that psu

thanks

[blissful thistle]

Send it to the US military

[weary vine]

segotep 650 w is pretty good price usually

around 50 usd

[blissful thistle]

600w and 700w are yeah

$50 for 600 $57 for 700

Ugly cables, good psu though

[wide parrot]

Corsair cv alright?

[mild roost]

ew no

cv is bad

just get segogep

ugly cables but it's good

[wide parrot]

Link this so I can look

[weary vine]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/q2K2FT/segotep-gp-600-w-80-gold-certified-atx-power-supply-600w-non-modular

[weary vine]

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

[wide parrot]

Ty

So my current psu is 650w Corsair cx-m which is same tier as the CV

Haven't had any issues

[weary vine]

c is OK

i wouldnt use c tier on anything above a 2060 tho

[wide parrot]

650w Corsair cv vs 600 segotech? B tier vs c

[weary vine]

segotep better

for anything above a 2060

[wide parrot]

Sounds like cx is better than cv even though same tier so yeah I'll avoid the cv

[blissful thistle]

Cxf is also b tier

[wide parrot]

I got cxm i believe

[blissful thistle]

Anything A or B tier is good, B tier acceptable for anything up to 700-750w psus, but for 850 or higher I 100% recommend A tier

I'd only use c or d tier psus for igpu builds

[wide parrot]

Also kinda the wrong chat but does this price seem sus? It's from a 3rd party Newegg store

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-a520m-aorus-elite/p/N82E16813145242

[mild roost]

it's from china

you'll have to wait so long to get it

but it seems legit

[wide parrot]

Yeah idc about wait time

[weary vine]

ehhhhhhhh board

[wide parrot]

Seems like a good quality model compared to some of the other cheap ones

[wide parrot]

Something wrong with it?

[weary vine]

the a series chipset

[wide parrot]

Idc about overclocking

And I'm pretty sure they still support PBO

[weary vine]

sometimes

not always

[mild roost]

does it even have xmp?

[weary vine]

it appears to

[past harbor]

Yea 6-33day shipping, hard pass. Check reddit or craigslist or something because a newegg china seller.

[plucky citrus]

You guys have any thoughts on the EVGA Supernova G5?

I just picked an 850W one up for a pretty good price on EVGA B-stoxk

[slow dust]

Rip

Nah jk lol

[fierce pivot]

It's b tier, unless you got it for <90$ I'd cancel

[plucky citrus]

Yeah it was $90 on EVGA B-Stock

With the whole usual EVGA 10 year warranty.

[fierce pivot]

You sure? Usually b stock is 1 year

[plucky citrus]

My Corsair Rmx 850W 80+ Gold was $160 new.

Well it's not actually B-Stock I just got it from the B-Stock site.

[fierce pivot]

That's the price of a 1000w 💀

110$ is the price of an A tier 850w psu

[plucky citrus]

The Corsair RMx 850W is A Tier I believe.

I did buy it 1 year ago tho. During the PSU price hikes.

From Best Buy.

It's what I use in my main 3080 rig.

[fierce pivot]

Yeah Rmx is great apart from the price usually always bad price

[plucky citrus]

yeah

Best Buy was just doing Best Buy things.

I got this G5 PSU for my sleeper I'm putting back together.

It's gonna be running a I5 11400F & 3060.

So not much load will be on it, should be fine.

[zenith basalt]

I broke the glass pnel on my msi mag forge 100r is there anywhere i can find a replacement?

[plucky citrus]

Start searching the interwebs for a replacement panel or contact MSI.

MSI might send you a replacement...maybe.

[slow dust]

Is this a good power supply?

EVGA SuperNOVA 120-GP-0850-X1, 850 G+, 80 Plus Gold 850W, Fully Modular, FDB Fan, 10 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Power Supply















Sorry about the obj.Im planning on using it with an rtx 3060 ti. And maybe,one of the 40 series or amd gpus if possible in the future

I also have an 8700k .

And it goes for 90

Should I go for it or look for other options

[blissful thistle]

better to get an A tier 750 than a meh 850

or a B tier 700 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D3Q2YZ7/ref=twister_B091Y2GLJM?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

for a low price

[plucky citrus]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=220-G6-0850-X1

There ya go

And it's on sale

A-Tier PSU 80+ Gold, fully modular and it has EVGA's 10 year warranty.

[blissful thistle]

that... is not a good deal

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8z7p99/super-flower-leadex-iii-gold-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-sf-850f14hg

[plucky citrus]

It is however a good PSU.

Oh yeah $110 about $40 cheaper for Super Flower.

[blissful thistle]

so is the leadex iii

850 A tier psus have been around 120 for a good while

[plucky citrus]

I'd personally go with EVGA but it's up to you.

[blissful thistle]

there is no difference other than $40

[plucky citrus]

I just have brand preference from my experience.

[blissful thistle]

brand loyalty 🤢

buying off brand i would never buy an evga psu again

[elfin trout]

@plucky citrus Leadex III is literally the platform G3 is based on

[blissful thistle]

also isnt the g6 a superflower oem lol

[elfin trout]

So it's basically EVGA

Nah G6 is Seasonic focus rebrand

[blissful thistle]

ah

[elfin trout]

G6 is great, I shill G6, but Leadex III just better deal atm

[blissful thistle]

ye

mpg is 115,d.f is 120

g6 just isnt worth it atm

[plucky citrus]

Wait super flower is the oem.

Yeah save the $40.

Put that to another part.

[wide parrot]

is it more or less sus now that it says "Ships from United States. Most customers receive within 6-10 days."?
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-a520m-aorus-elite/p/N82E16813145242?Item=9SIB0SMJA48980

[past harbor]

Idk, but 10 days is way better than 30ish.

[wide parrot]

the fact that the listing changed is a little odd though

[past harbor]

I got the 750 G5 for $78 total, but gonna return (if evga returns were simple)

[zenith basalt]

Does anyone know where i can find the darkflash Dlm21 in stock

[blissful thistle]

5000d vs 4000d, $30 diff, worth it? will take the front panel out and try to get an airflow front

[fierce pivot]

I would

[zenith basalt]

Yo

I tried powering on my pc but only the ram lights are on

Fans arent spinning

[lucid sentinel]

I simp for the Phanteks Eclipse P500

[plucky citrus]

Someone might find this cool.

Old PC case mods

Having a blast with this

[tropic dune]

simple yet effective, tho personally i'd have gone rear and top exhausts w/ front and side intakes

[cyan surge]

everybody panic https://youtu.be/Mt27luCbjmI

[mild roost]

good nzxt case?

wtf

the flow version that is

people will still buy the elite tho cause muh glass

[fierce pivot]

The elite still technically performs okay its just very loud doing it

[mild roost]

The drawbacks of worse airflow

[wicked arrow]

anyone know of a small case with an ATX form factor?

I got the motherboard before realizing I wanted a minimalistic set up 😅

[sand atlas]

Define "small", and full ATX not mATX?

[elfin trout]

there are smaller mATX cases if it's mATX and not ATX

[wicked arrow]

full, and as small as it can be, I live in an RV so, yk

[elfin trout]

Could try Core G3

sfx psu tho

[wicked arrow]

Ill give it a look, thanks man

[elfin trout]

You're welcome

But if you could return and get a new mobo, ITX mobo opens up a lot more case options

[wicked arrow]

I'll see, got it a few months ago on newegg

well obviously, forgot that this was the newegg discord for a sec

[elfin trout]

just a fun discord that happened to be Newegg, people buy stuff from anywhere and everywhere

wegg return policy along with most others tend to be just 1 month, which makes it a bit sad

[sand atlas]

O11 Air Mini would be another option

Uses regular ATX PSU also, not SFF

[elfin trout]

o11 is now just a square that wants to be everything smh

[past harbor]

Wish there were more cases w/ the psu behind mobo. CM haf xb evo is alright too, but a bit "plain" to (currently) be $120ish.

[wicked arrow]

Aye this is surprisingly what I'm kinda looking for. Didn't really consider it at first, but gotta work with the space I got

Thanks m8, appreciate it

[lofty pewter]

Don't think noise normalized test was done there. 100% fan speed is prolly doesn't do much better then say 80% fan speed (or whatever else). Bad case, but Steve made it sound worse then it prolly is.

[past harbor]

nice. yeah I like horizontal mobo for a couple reasons. 1 is that cpu hsf weight is never a concern. Might just build my own "2 layer" test bench sort of a case w/ nice 1/4" oak or somethin.

[sand atlas]

They did noise normalized

[mild roost]

i think we were talking about the h7

new nzxt case

[sand atlas]

Oh there was a H7 Elite?

[mild roost]

yep

h7 flow and elite

[sand atlas]

smh they need better naming

[mild roost]

h7 flow looks similar to 4000d airflow tbh

[lofty pewter]

They said they arent going to do a full H7 Elite review cuz it isnt interesting enough

[mild roost]

nzxt be like: elite = bad, flow = good

4000d airflow

h7 flow

it has some similarities to me

just some

not copy

[past harbor]

eh, generic round holes there. ALthough, at least less restrictive because corsair does that extra snap on cover.

[cyan surge]

Man working with the Corsair case is super nice, would recommend it to anyone

Building in it for a friends work station/gamer lair

[mild roost]

I shill for 4000D and 5000D airflow series

[blissful thistle]

Is there a price on it?

[mild roost]

iirc

Around 129

It's expensive, as expected out of nzxt

[blissful thistle]

Expected it to be higher tbh

[lofty pewter]

I mean Elite is $200

[cyan surge]

4000D is right around 100

[fierce pivot]

4 sticks of ram ree better be 128gb 😤

But yeah 4000d is nice to build in

[cyan surge]

It’s 64gb

[fierce pivot]

Fine

But i got my eyes on you

[cyan surge]

[lofty pewter]

Okay but what about 16gb???

[fierce pivot]

4x4gb ram sure if you're talking ddr3 lol

[past harbor]

Not me running 4x8GB on w/ the ol 3770.

[blissful thistle]

I run 3x6gb ddr5

[past harbor]

Reminds me of the 920 w/ 3 or 6 slots

[lofty pewter]

There is 4gb ddr4

Heck, there is 2gb SODIMMs. Pretty sure there is 260p to 288p, no?

[fierce pivot]

Yes but only acceptable for like intel 6th gen or something

It's outdated basically

[lofty pewter]

Still doesnt change the fact you can buy it and do it on Intel 12th gen

[sand atlas]

Can confirm https://www.amazon.com/Laptop-DDR4-Desktop-Adapter-Converter/dp/B07FFW1CZD

"Virtual Fuse" on this is kinda hilarious sounding though

[nocturne basalt]

i love the side and bottom fans of the lian li o11 is there any other cases like it?

[past harbor]

@nocturne basalt hyte y60. There's probably others. Don't forget the mini & air mini o11 also. I'm not a fan of glass front and/or side fans so i don't research them much. I do like the 2-3 bottom fans though to help gpu

[gloomy knoll]

Best chemicals for cleabing tempered glass panel?

[mild roost]

Glass cleaner should be fine

It's just glass anyway

[tropic dune]

I just use a lil Windex and a microfiber cloth for glasses/lenses

[mild roost]

ye, that works well

[urban tulip]

I'm suprised Luke hasn't made it to this channel yet

This is kinda his dungeon

[timid basin]

Woah woah woah

No-one told me about this channel

I'm taking over

[blissful thistle]

I'm going to do a 6950xt 12900ks build on a corsair CV

[elfin trout]

Uh oh

[elfin trout]

There's also #peripherals-and-displays for keebs

[timid basin]

Good luck

[blissful thistle]

Thanks, I'm doing my best to make an IED

[timid basin]

Now excuse me while I put a 3090 ti on an AliExpress mining PSU

[sand atlas]

Maybe you should go for a W1/N1 then

[elfin trout]

Could've used old p-gm

[blissful thistle]

Mm true

[elfin trout]

Or better yet, 95+ gold PSU from AliExpress

Bigger number go brrt

[mild roost]

lmao

Whoa, one of cultists people

[sharp remnant]

cardboard chassis for old pc anymon?

[fierce pivot]

Yeah why not

[real galleon]

I just bought my first graphic card, not thinking about my psu. According to new egg power estimator, I'm sitting about 568. And I have a 600w gold+ should I upgrade being so close?

[mild roost]

What gpu?

Also what cpu do you have

[sand atlas]

And what model PSU? Gold means nothing

[real galleon]

Nvidia GeForce 3050
And here's my list:
https://gyazo.com/e6ab4e1d93bede6323e3f0e5d7cc63d7

(I have 4 x16 gb ram now)

[mild roost]

that's adequate for the build

[real galleon]

Sweet thanks!

[scenic lance]

@real galleon get the 970 evo plus 1tb

[past harbor]

P31*

[scenic lance]

Also please don’t buy a 3050

Please don’t

[sand atlas]

Eh, it's better than a 6500 XT at least

[scenic lance]

The 1660 super out performs the 3050 doesn’t it?

[sand atlas]

It's about even

And 3050 gets ray tracing and nvenc

[mild roost]

and 1660s is expensive used

not worth getting it lol

3050 is still better deal

1660s does have nvenc too, but no goodies like rt and dlss

[lofty pewter]

Ampere has slightly better NVENC, AV1 decode

[mild roost]

ye

but that's it tho

av1 isn't important for desktop use imo

it only mainly benefits mobile

[real galleon]

i got a good deal on the 3050 XD so its been mine for a bit haha

[barren oriole]

in a laptop yeah, dont buy a 3050, in a desktop, the 3050 is a fine card, about equal to a 2060 or so which is on par with a 1080

[sand atlas]

Not quite. 3050 is 1660 super level, 1070 on a good day. At least it has DLSS.

[fierce pivot]

970 evo plus is eh now they changed it also, good bit more than sn550 usually

[fierce pivot]

Nothing wrong with the 3050 although you can usually get a 6600 for about the same price or less although have seen 3050s go for 250 recently

[fierce pivot]

Nothing wrong with 3050 laptop either, 3050 ti is the joke card basically a 3050 for more money

[lethal ridge]

Ayo

My psu is suddenly making a electric buzzing noise

[blissful thistle]

3050 laptop is 1650 perf, 3050 ti is destkop 1660s perf

depending on wattages

[lethal ridge]

After a sudden power loss

Buzzes whenever it's plugged

[fierce pivot]

Wattages matter more tbh 3050 ti obvs is a bit better but not for the price gap

[blissful thistle]

meh, i see them for pretty similar prices in the US

bout a $100 diff normally

[fierce pivot]

That's significant enough on a <1k laptop tbf

[lethal ridge]

Ok heck now it's sparking when i'm trying to turn it on, it makes some visible and audible sparking just next to the place where you plug the power cable in

[fierce pivot]

Plug it out immediately

[lethal ridge]

It already is

[fierce pivot]

Could be a dodgy cable

But before you check disconnect from all pc

[sand atlas]

Sparks = replace immediately

[scenic lance]

nice, the psu i bought came defective

[lethal ridge]

Man why am i constantly being stopped to buy some drips

Welp, not that the psu i have isn't sus enough tho

[soft basin]

love the solid case, curious why the micro ATX however?

[hoary epoch]

Basically in your situation

[timid basin]

Sounds like loose contact

Check both the cable and the AC connector on your PSU

One of the two is at best loose

[scenic lance]

im stealing this image lol

[soft basin]

That Psu looks like an electric R/C car fire I saw at the track years ago

But I'm pretty sure the shot is rigged

Just glad I got a perfect case and AIO set to purchase

[blissful thistle]

what case?

[soft basin]

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-ii-mesh-rgb/

[blissful thistle]

nice

glad you decided against that antec furnace

[soft basin]

The AIO slot has a removable panel and the HD rack is on a slider, so upto 100mm for fans/AIO

My mistake its 110mm

The case supports a gpu lenght of 384mm, the Asus Tuf gpu is only 300mm

The Arctic Freezer 2 360mm AIO I'm pairing in the case is 76mm max, so I have 8mm to spare

In a single core bench the 5800X3D loses to a 5600X

But in multi core it stomps it

[blissful thistle]

well, benching doesnt show 5800x3ds performance

because of the cache

[soft basin]

Someone posted a premium Lian Li case so I went over the product line because I still wanted a psu shroud

The 5800X3D is flawless in Star Wars Squadrons at 1080P in ultra settings even on a GTX 1060 6gb vga, I'm getting a 3080 and a 32" 1440p monitor to scale up a bit before I play, unfortunately I am a fanboy on a themed pc

At present my 144 hertz Acer doesn't support the refresh rates the cpu is actually producing

[soft basin]

I'm gonna go consult with a HOTAS channel

[scenic lance]

Can someone tell me what case this is my dad bought it for me for Christmas

I can’t figure it out

[serene siren]

montech x1?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/S/aplus-media/sc/339d9970-2499-44b8-a60a-5bda92417a97.__CR0,0,300,300_PT0_SX300_V1___.png

[scenic lance]

that looks right thank you so much!

I stg I spent forever trying to figure that out

[serene siren]

[scenic lance]

Im not good with pcs 🤣

[past harbor]

https://lmgtfy.app/

[scenic lance]

I googled it I swear

I really did

🤣

[past harbor]

X to doubt. It's ok. Don't worry my faith in humanity has been low for years.

[scenic lance]

I put it on my dead hamster

[scenic lance]

this case isnt showing up on pc part picker

im trying to make my setup on pc part picker

[serene siren]

then it doesn't have it

🤷

[lethal ridge]

I mean, it looks like just a rebranded chinese case to me

Mine is a same one but slapped on with diff brand

If it doesnt exist in pcpp then just put it as a custom part

[proper crystal]

I did a thing

[past harbor]

Nice Yate loon fan.

[proper crystal]

I found out that this unit is made by CWT

So it's pretty decent

[serene siren]

Ooo G360A

[scenic lance]

Ok so I’m a funny guy who has no idea what he’s doing but

How do you know what goes where when replacing a PSU