cases-psu-and-cooling

[fallow cairn]

Fitz?

[weary vine]

Yes

Fitz

[fallow cairn]

oh wait I keep confusing him with Fitzey

Im like why tf u want that guy

[weary vine]

I wan SirFitz

[elfin trout]

P500a is nice

[azure harness]

Thanks 🙏

[dusky wyvern]

my P500a didnt arrive as expected.. filing a claim to expect a replacement in 10 days. Thanks UPS

[elfin trout]

sad

[hollow gale]

Lian Li Lancool II Mesh, Phanteks P500A, Deepcool CL500, Corsair 4000D Airflow, Coolermaster TD 500 Mesh

[fierce pivot]

Cl500? I've never heard of that one interesting, btw it do be phanteks

[hollow gale]

I think its new, looks really nice.

imho

[fierce pivot]

Oohhh lemme have a look at it

[hollow gale]

standard mid tower. 360 front, 240 top

[fierce pivot]

Ngl the front tower looks icky

[hollow gale]

you dont like those vanes? I think its quite interesting

[fierce pivot]

Nah i don't think it looks nice

[hollow gale]

has a built in GPU anti sag bracket

[fierce pivot]

That is cool but the fron panel is off-putting to me

[hollow gale]

fair enough. im into art deco, and the case has a lot of those vibes. each to his own. perfomance wise though, it is comparable to the others I mentioned.

[hoary epoch]

Imagine the cleaning that would have to be done and how much of a pain it would be if ya didnt know the technique

[azure harness]

Thanks 🙏

[fierce pivot]

Also p400a and corsair 5000d airflow, just smaller/bigger versions of p500a and 4000d airflow respectively

[azure harness]

Most of the mentioned aren’t available too, how about the gigabyte ac300?

[hollow gale]

theres not airflow there bud

solid front panel

[azure harness]

Found a lancool II i will go for it i guess

[hollow gale]

good choice. I have one. love it

[fierce pivot]

That's weird what region you in?

[azure harness]

lol

Algeria

[fierce pivot]

It's a decent case yeah i just have a grudge against lian li cases cuz of the o11d being an airflow mess

[fierce pivot]

Ahhh that's fair enough then

[azure harness]

The bequite pure base 600 is available too

[hollow gale]

again, solid front panel

when yuou look for airflow cases, look for ones that have mesh on the front

anything with solid front chokes airflow, no matter how many side vents they have

[fierce pivot]

Solid front panel=not good

[azure harness]

Ah ok than

The p400a isn’t compatible with the d15 according to this

[fierce pivot]

I'd go lancool mesh then

[azure harness]

Ok thank you very much

[fierce pivot]

Np

[dusky wyvern]

Neat my case finally arrived. Time to rebuild.

[clever venture]

I need honest opinions on psu brands, like best known, or top tier, etc etc, to replace my Chinese firecracker psu

[severe jay]

So I just built a system and the PC is turning off immediately after I press the power button. It turns on for a split second and then turns off. Is it possible it's a faulty power supply/cable?

Using B550-F Gaming, 5800X cpu, 5000x case, 2060 super, 750W MWE gold v2

[opal night]

It's possible, yes

Check your Front Panel connections

and all of your power connections

Ram should be in slot A2/B2

[severe jay]

I have 4 sticks

[opal night]

and you will most likely need a BIOS update to run the 5800X

Ah

Try just two sticks

A2/B2

[severe jay]

Alright

[opal night]

Or just one stick in A2

Or B2

[opal night]

You have JUST the cpu 8 pin plugged in correct?

Not the 8 pin and the 4 pin?

[severe jay]

I have 4+4 in? Is that causing it?

Although the 4+4 pin isn't exactly split

[opal night]

Mmm, lemme check your PSU

CPU power should be either solid 8 pin or 4+4

[severe jay]

I have the solid 8 pin

[opal night]

Good, that's what it should be

[severe jay]

The motherboard has both 8 pin and then a 4 pin next to it

[opal night]

Right

[severe jay]

Ah ok I'll try that

[opal night]

Don't need the 4 pin plugged in

[severe jay]

Ok

[opal night]

JUST the 8 pin CPU power

[severe jay]

Alright

Let me do that and I'll ping you if not workint

[opal night]

👍 .

[severe jay]

@opal night Nope

[opal night]

Fans stay on or just a blip on and off?

Take out anything that's not CPU/RAM and leave just 24 pin ATX and 8 PIN CPU plugged in

So take out GPU, disconnect drives, etc

[severe jay]

It's a very quick thing

[opal night]

And one stick of ram in B2

[severe jay]

The LEDs come on for a aplit second

[opal night]

One stick of ram B2, take out GPU, unplug all the drives. Also, disconnect PSU power for a minute and plug it back in

[severe jay]

Alright

I have a SSD under there do I need to take that out as well?

[opal night]

SSD or NVME?

[severe jay]

M.2

[opal night]

M.2?

[severe jay]

Nvme

[opal night]

Ah

leave it in

[severe jay]

Alright

Before I put it back on I'll reconfirm the front headers

Still nothing

[opal night]

:/

[severe jay]

Let me reconfirm the power cable connections

[opal night]

Got a paperclip handy? Not joking, there's a way to test PSU with a paperclip but it needs to be fully unplugged from everything

Lemme find a guide

[opal night]

https://gpushack.com/blogs/news/43997828-psu-paper-clip-test

[severe jay]

It clicks like 5 times in a row

I don't have a paper clip with me but

[opal night]

I'd do the paperclip test

Just to confirm PSU ded

[severe jay]

I don't have one

[opal night]

None in your house at all? That's rather unusual

Small piece of wire?

Anything that could work?

[severe jay]

It's the cable

It just booted with a different cable

[opal night]

What cable?

[severe jay]

The power coord

[opal night]

The one from the PSU to the wall?

[severe jay]

Yeah

[opal night]

Did you use the one that came with the PSU?

[severe jay]

Yeah

That was the one giving problems

[opal night]

Interesting, that's a first

[severe jay]

I used an older pc cable and it boots up just fine

[opal night]

Well, issue solved!

[severe jay]

Yes thankfully

[opal night]

I'd contact Cooler Master about it tho

[severe jay]

Yeah definitely will

Thanks much

[opal night]

YW

[severe jay]

It's not posting however

[opal night]

What diagnostic lights are on?

[severe jay]

Yellow

[opal night]

CPU and DRAM?

DRAM

[severe jay]

It's dram

[opal night]

Still have all 4 sticks in?

[severe jay]

Yeah

All LEDS on

[opal night]

Just one in B2 for now

ALl the LED's will cycle

It's the one that sticks that matters

[severe jay]

Worked

I'll go through each ram stick

[opal night]

Try just 2 in A2/B2, get through first BIOS setup, then try the other 2

[severe jay]

All sticks work

Alright

[dusky wyvern]

Should I be concern of that white paste on the copper coil?

Enermax brand new

[opal night]

No thats fancy hot glu to hold things in place

Its fine.

[dusky wyvern]

Okey thanks

[severe jay]

@opal night was a while ago but thought I'd let you know it's functioning all good

cable management™️ will do later when the person who I built it for gets his card

[opal night]

Heck yeah! Looks good

[severe jay]

ikr. jealous it's not mine

[dusky wyvern]

This is the outcome, new Psu and case, thanks @elfin trout @fierce pivot and someone else that I can't remember.

[elfin trout]

prob vintage, you're welcome

[chrome iris]

the revo DF looks so good in PSU cutouts

kinda wishing i got one instead of an amp now lol, looks better imo

[fierce pivot]

Yw :)

[pastel flower]

bro that build is cooler than the polar bears toe nails

(outkast refrence)

[dusky wyvern]

thanks man

i didnt even use any zip ties

just the phanteks velcro which is great.

[kindred leaf]

You have the list?

[dusky wyvern]

yes il give u the link pcpartpicker

[kindred leaf]

@dusky wyvern also can you tell me how it runs and what do you play 1080p? What fps do you get in some games

Sorry for the questions am just curious

[dusky wyvern]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TcFXcT

im on 2k 2640x1440 165hz

bf1,4,5 ,valo,squad,hell let loose

[kindred leaf]

@dusky wyvern how much was whole build?

[dusky wyvern]

give me a min im in game

[kindred leaf]

Alr sorry

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NVjGCz

[dusky wyvern]

2200+ plux tax

[kindred leaf]

Oh wow. Not bad especially with playing 4k

[dusky wyvern]

bought on sale mostly, fans are Asiahorse FS-S001

[clear kayak]

I accidentally changed a setting in my bios and now my cpu wont go above base do you know how to fix it or can I reset my bios and keep my data on my ssd

[fierce pivot]

Btw that ram is quite slow for ryzen if you can i would return and buy a new kit

[fierce pivot]

What's your budget for your pc?

[weary vine]

lotsa bad purchases here

[fierce pivot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R4BTy4 i would do this instead

[kindred leaf]

Not much difference? And what was wrong with the case I had

[fierce pivot]

Case you had was fine, but the 4000d airflow is a steal rn especially if you're gonna replace fans anyway and i got ya a cheaper psu

And adjusted you're price for 3060ti to something believable

[kindred leaf]

Well ty

[dusky wyvern]

my bad i didnt see it was 3000, its actually 3200

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/SlashLilian/saved/TxkW3C

this is the current one, had to make minor changes since i picked the wrong parts

[elfin trout]

3200 isn't what we're looking for

we're looking for 3600mt/s for zen 2 and zen 3

[dusky wyvern]

I see, is it that bad for my cpu?

[elfin trout]

It's less performance

[dusky wyvern]

I see good to know, and it was the only budget i could get at that time.
from 16gb 3600mhz to 32gb 3200mhz

[fierce pivot]

What 16gb 3600 kits where you looking at lol? Thats the price of ballistix 32gb 3600 :/

[spare magnet]

can someone point me in the direction of a ATX case that will fit a b450m?

[weary vine]

m signifies its an matx board

[spare magnet]

this mb is huge tho?

its not a mini

[weary vine]

what mobo exactly

[spare magnet]

pro gaming carbon max w/wifi

[elfin trout]

that's not b450m

that's just b450

[weary vine]

where did ya see the m

[spare magnet]

oh it said m on the box

[elfin trout]

it's a full atx board

[weary vine]

pic?

[spare magnet]

i dont think i have the box anymore

[elfin trout]

yea pic?

[spare magnet]

let me see where i purchased it

[weary vine]

What happened to the box

and what made you think it was a good idea to throw it away

[spare magnet]

what do i need it for?

B450 Gaming PRO Carbon MAX wifi

k so it snot a m

[weary vine]

uhhh

u being serious?

[spare magnet]

i kept everything that was inside

the disc the cords etc

[weary vine]

have fun returning it if theres a problem with it or selling it second hand ig

lmao

[spare magnet]

i plan on upgrading it here soon, then building my brother a pc with it

[zenith basalt]

thoughts on the gt301?

[fierce pivot]

Fine if it was a prebuilt or something as ik some abs pcs have but buy a 4000d airflow or p400a/p360a or td500 mesh instead imo

[golden kestrel]

Anybody have any insight on this psu? Can't find too much online

[odd rapids]

The Powerspec one from Microcenter?

Afaik, they aren’t great

[slate creek]

It ain’t really that good

It’s in C tier

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

[golden kestrel]

Thanks

[ruby nacelle]

Does anyone know a good case that supports a 280 rad on the top of the case?

[elfin trout]

td500 mesh supports up to 360mm top

So does p500a

[ruby nacelle]

thx dude

[slate creek]

Lian Li Lancool II Mesh supports it I’m pretty sure

[hollow gale]

no, only 240 rad in the ceiling

New cases from Lian Li got me excited.

[slate creek]

Ahh ok I thought it could because it supports 2 140mm fans up tops

[hollow gale]

it does support 2 140 fans, but only a 240rad at the top

because the rad pushes the fans low enough to interfere with the VRM

[slate creek]

Yeah makes sense

[fierce pivot]

You could probs fit some slim fans in there on the rad

[weary vine]

PATO

CORSAIR 7000D AIRFLOW

[fierce pivot]

WHAT??

[weary vine]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Super-Tower-and-Full-Tower-Cases/7000D-AIRFLOW-Full-Tower-ATX-PC-Case/p/CC-9011218-WW

[fierce pivot]

Omg

The price tho 💀

[weary vine]

ITS A 5000d AIRFLOW BUT BIGGER AND BETTER

[hollow gale]

Nah, 280 not gonna fit

[fierce pivot]

But 260€ yikes, 4 120s tho

[weary vine]

price will drop

[fierce pivot]

Hmm idk i don't see it even being 200 tho

[weary vine]

Still a sick case tho

[fierce pivot]

Ohh yeah but way too expensive lol

Fits a 420mm and 480mm rad tho

[zenith basalt]

i have a 500w psu and a 2070

im worried about my psu blowing up so i wanna know what to upgrade to

[fierce pivot]

I'd get enermax revolution df 750w/850w

[devout tinsel]

Do you think for a basic gaming rig 1000w is too much?

11900k and hopefully a 3080

[scenic lance]

Can I use the EVGA 430 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply for a apu build and is it trustworthy/reliable

[elfin trout]

Uh

N1? Kinda has a bad rep for failures

[scenic lance]

I’m using it with an apu temporarily until I get my GPU, once I get it I’ll get a new psu

[chrome iris]

its a W1,
also did you know that the N1 is banned in europe or something

[chrome iris]

its enough for an APU build but its not a good unit

[elfin trout]

lol

[chrome iris]

no it literally is

[elfin trout]

n1 and w1 are both kinda bad

[chrome iris]

W1 is just an N1 with a leather jacket

not very much better but a lil better

nah fr tho its cause the N1 doesnt guarantee advertised power at anything over 25c ambient and thats like 75f which is what a lot of people have their thermostat set as lol

[scenic lance]

It’s a spare component I found in my brothers old prebuilt and I didn’t want to spend an extra 50-100 bucks on a new psu

[vocal tree]

Then don't

Buy some c tier at least

[fierce pivot]

Please don't buy that cpu, get a ryzen 9 5900x or something instead if you can, but 850w is enough

[devout tinsel]

Ty

[fierce pivot]

Np

[modern ore]

Best budget Micro/Mini Atx cases?

[vocal tree]

Thermaltake Versa H18 TG is nice, if a little frustrating to work with

Front panel daughter board interferes with 140mm fans so you have to put the fan on the inside rather than the outside

Very nice case otherwise

You can post your list don't be shy 😳

[modern ore]

Trying to build my friend a 800$ budget pc, he says he wants something portable

[modern ore]

11400f, Corsair Vengeance 2x8gb 3200mhz, EVGA 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX PSU. Still looking at cases and mobo. He's on an 800 dollar budget.

I'm probably going to try and buy a 1660 super when they restock at msrp.

[vocal tree]

Lol someone else posted their PC part picker list between my text wall

[modern ore]

oh that makes more sense

[vocal tree]

But yeah a H18 TG is a nice option

No handle on the top or anything but you don't really need handles

[modern ore]

Yea its all good

thanks

[vocal tree]

Yw

[charred pier]

is this good
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-br-series-700w-atx12v-eps12v-80-plus-power-supply-dc-dc-technology-black/6346160.p?skuId=6346160&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=762&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8vqGBhC_ARIsADMSd1BZYocSJVyUeY633xs5ul94kRQhFZEujlELKQ-LNMLpT0UML9WI0wsaAjI3EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds;

[simple obsidian]

what do u want to run

and whats like the budget

[charred pier]

wdym budget

budget for a psu is like 130 usd i guess

and by run you mean cpu and gpu?

cpu is an i5-11400f and i want the gpu to be a 3060

probably evga

[surreal helm]

do you guys know if this case will fit all my components

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QLtYj2

[charred pier]

I think it should be fine

Maximum gpu length is 400mm

I havent heard of a gpu that back tbh

and the 3070ti is only 324mm

so yeah thats fine

[simple obsidian]

@charred pier if you want to get those parts I think you should go for a 650 watt gold 80+ and maybe modular

[fierce pivot]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's not happening, they've been discontinued for over a year and we're in the middle of a gpu shortage, get them the 11400 non f for the igpu usually it's cheaper/10$ more anyway and it's definitely worth it

[fierce pivot]

It's fine but for that price get an enermax revolution df 650w/750w, or phanteks amp 650w/750w or msi apg 650w/750w for just a bit more and they are significantly better

[fierce pivot]

Yeah, btw i would get an sn550 instead of the mx500 it's a lot faster and like 10$ more, and you don't need to buy thermal paste, it will come with the aio, also get the enermax revolution df 750w instead of the msi power supply, the revolution df is cheaper and better

[surreal helm]

what about the evga gt 750 watt

is that good

instead of the enermax

[fierce pivot]

Just get the enermax imo because it's literally the BEST power supply for the money

The gt is fine but not as good

[mild roost]

EVGA BR is a bleh PSU

Low operating temp range

[fierce pivot]

It's only justifiable for low wattage budget machines outside the us where you can't get the segotep 600w for 50$

[mild roost]

yeup

[chrome iris]

It’s a good budget power supply. I wouldn’t use it to power any system that uses 700w tho

[fierce pivot]

Its fine for like 500w yea lol

[chrome iris]

The only BRs I buy are the 450w versions on B stock that I use for like, GTX 1060 flips

[fierce pivot]

Fair lol

[vocal tree]

My pc is running on a 450 BR

I want to swap with my Pure Power 11 500w

[chrome iris]

Why pp11

[vocal tree]

Wrong timing to buy a power supply

Something like early 2020 no good budget psus were in stock, cheapest thing was a PP11

Wish I didn't have to pay so much for a power supply but it's a nice unit

[chrome iris]

You can probably get a better one for the same price rn

[vocal tree]

Yes

Around 70 bucks

It'd have to be A tier or higher wattage the PP11 is top B tier

[fresh folio]

hey um, what's a good psu, to power a 5600x and 3060 ti?

[wanton oxide]

should I upgrade my 600w gold for my r5 3600 and 3070ti system? I feel like its barely cutting it and idk if its worth buying a whole new psu

[blissful thistle]

Depends, do you want room to upgrade and are you overclocking?

[icy cape]

what yall think of the Cooler Master HAF XB EVO - High Air Flow Test Bench and Lan Box Desktop Computer Case with ATX Motherboard Support

[short sail]

Whats the size for the front panel on the 011 dynamic

[fresh folio]

overclocking yes, probably not gonna upgrade

[blissful thistle]

youd probably be fine with a 600 but it cant hurt to have more than that

[fierce pivot]

Enermax revolution df/msi apg/phanteks amp 650w/750w/850w

[fierce pivot]

Yeah i would go to a 650w psu minimum

[weary vine]

I would go 750 for a 3070ti

[fierce pivot]

650w will do but yeah 750w would be nicer, means if you upgrade again wont have to worry about upgrading psu unless you get an 80 or 90 card

[weary vine]

Yeah mainly I would go 750 because OC

I would 100% shoot for the leaderboards

[fierce pivot]

I mean I'd be comfortable ocing a 70 ti on a 650w because it's just a 70 with g6x

[weary vine]

for a 3070ti, I would hardware mod it as well

and bring up the power limits

[fierce pivot]

I don't trust myself to do that X)

[weary vine]

Fair

Im pretty handy with a solder gun tbf

dad uses it a lot

I picked it up

[fierce pivot]

I've used a few times but wouldn't want to risk my precious expensive gpu

[weary vine]

very fair

especially rn

when getting a new one isnt gonna happen

[fierce pivot]

Yeah, it was also like 700€ lol

[weary vine]

SHEESH!

thats what 800-850 usd

[fierce pivot]

That's only like 200 over msrp minus 50-75 for aib model, it wasn't that much extra

[weary vine]

somewhere there?

yep 830 usd

[fierce pivot]

Ehh idk but we have 23% vat so the msrp is usually 1:1 with merica

[weary vine]

23% tax is a lot

like a lot

Thats one thing I dont have to worry about

[fierce pivot]

Indeed but it's kinda average in the eu

But vat is included in our msrp

[weary vine]

dad has his own company so he claims returns for all purchases

[fierce pivot]

Nice

[weary vine]

so my pc is under dads companys name

[fierce pivot]

Nice

@weary vine https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-rates/european-vat-rates.html eu vat rates

All between like 19-26ish%

[weary vine]

sheesh!

wax candles have 0% tax tho

start a wax candle factory

[fierce pivot]

Xd

[fierce pivot]

VAT is sales tax, that means only buying them has no vat lol

[weary vine]

Then buy wax candles

and then

uhhh

and then

[fierce pivot]

Xd

[weary vine]

LET SOMEONE ELSE BUY THEM

YES

If you dont say u sold em you dont have to pay tax

[magic gale]

how can i change the speed of may processor

[worthy gate]

What’s a consensus good brand for PSUs these days. I clearly have misconceptions about other parts/brands

Is Corsair good?

And third question. Is there any concern with doing a new build but keeping my same PSU if it still works fine?

[elfin trout]

@worthy gate consensus is brand doesn't mean anything

[worthy gate]

Hit me with some knowledge then

[elfin trout]

All you need is
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

Explanations and sources listed in the sheet linked in there

[worthy gate]

Whew this is gonna take some time to read thank you. How about my third question up there

If my current PSU is working fine any concerns over using it in a new build?

Before I dig too deep into this. Am I gonna be able to get a good psu in the $150 range? Or am I looking at more than that @elfin trout

[elfin trout]

@worthy gate 120$ for a Revolution d.f 850w that's one of the best PSUs on the market

[worthy gate]

Ok groovy thank you

[slate creek]

I still remember when I was replacing my PSU I click on the first 750 watt one I saw and ordered it not knowing much about it

I’d say I got fairly lucky that I chose something good

[worthy gate]

Looks like Corsair makes some good ones. Ended up with an RMx 750W. Highly rated on that list @elfin trout gave me

Only $140

Should be plenty for my rig even if I end up getting a 3000 series card right?

[elfin trout]

meh

Revolution D.F. is on the same platform, cheaper, for higher wattage lol

130$ with a 15$ rebate
https://www.newegg.com/enermax-80-plus-erf650awt-850w/p/1HU-0042-000R0

[slate creek]

Yeah I know now

This was almost a year ago

[worthy gate]

I feel weird about companies I’ve never heard of

But even a 750w should be plenty even with a 3000 series right?

Except maybe a 3090 which I won’t get

[slate creek]

Yeah

[elfin trout]

keep in mind all of these PSUs are made by OEMs you have never heard of

that RMx? It's a modified GPU platform made by CWT

Revolution D.F. is on the GPU platoform, slightly modified to be multi-rail, also made by CWT.

[worthy gate]

I’ll do some more reading. Canceled the Corsair for now

[elfin trout]

TPU page on RMx for example : https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-rmx-series-850-w-2021/3.html
Their explanation page too : https://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/psu/160

[worthy gate]

Unless I’m totally missing something this guy says it’s great in just about every way

Their third ranked 850w gold psu

[elfin trout]

@worthy gate It is great, but remember, you said a RMx 750w for 140$

the thing I was on about was the Revolution d.f. 850w for 130$ (115$ if you do rebate)

for some reason the people that review revo d.f. are either europeans or asians, but well, here's a few revo d.f. reviews
https://www.tweakpc.de/hardware/tests/netzteile/enermax_revolution_df/s01.php
https://www.thefpsreview.com/2019/08/07/enermax-revolution-df-850w-power-supply-review/

skipping the ones that are likely hard for google translate, in korean, russian, and chinese

[worthy gate]

I’d challenge myself and try not to translate the German site but I’d get lost quickly

[elfin trout]

I'm talking google translate but yea

[fierce pivot]

You kinda want a 850w for a 3080 tbh

[scenic lance]

Does anyone know how many watts a gigabyte p850gm can normally handle before just blowing up

[fierce pivot]

Just dont

[scenic lance]

Thats the problem

The combos are so annoying

[fierce pivot]

Just write it off as part of the gpu price and sell it on ebay or something for dirt cheap or keep as a last resort

[slate creek]

1 watt

[outer folio]

base CWT GPU is multi rail

[elfin trout]

afaik whisper m and dq-m, the single rail PSUs, are the base GPU model?

[outer folio]

they're multi rail

[elfin trout]

hm

interesting

thought whisper m was single rail

[chrome iris]

Like 450 or something maybe less idk

[tribal narwhal]

what psu would you recommend at 750w with intentions of upgrading to a 3070 in future

[fierce pivot]

Msi apg 750w, enermax revolution df 750w/850w, phanteks amp 750w

[proper flint]

Hey guys does anyone know any good cable combs for the ROG Strix 850W PSU?

[simple obsidian]

any recs for a micro atx case?

usually by default i go for nzxt cases so as of rn im considering the h400

but idk

[vocal tree]

Thermaltake Versa H18 TG

very nice case, a few downsides but nothing deal breaking

[simple obsidian]

ok thx

[vocal tree]

140mm fans interfere with the front panel board if you try putting them on the outside of the case so you have to put them on the inside

[simple obsidian]

hmm

ok

thanks

[vocal tree]

yw

[simple obsidian]

my only concerns are it doesn't look the best for cable management

and this build is for my brother

so idk if i can convince my mom to buy another fan or two

as only 1 fan is included as an exhaust

but i think the money i end up saving by getting this case can go to more fans

so not much to worry abt

[vocal tree]

it's fine for cable management, not exceptional but there's enough room for a non modular psu to jam all its cables into

[simple obsidian]

o ok :)

[vocal tree]

I got two Arctic P14s for the front

should be around 22 dollars for the both of them before tax I think

[simple obsidian]

ok thanks!

[vocal tree]

yw ^^

[simple obsidian]

i think i'll just get 3 acrtic p12's

keep neutral air pressure

wait

[vocal tree]

safe to just use P

[simple obsidian]

p12s or f12s

[simple obsidian]

o ok thx

[vocal tree]

F is lower static pressure

[simple obsidian]

what does that mean

[vocal tree]

which detracts from the pulling power the fan has through the front panel filter

[simple obsidian]

Oh ok

lemme check the price difference

cuz i'll probs buy 2 P12s and 1 F12

the F12 for the top exhaust

[vocal tree]

don't even need top exhaust

one rear is enough with two front

[simple obsidian]

o ok

[plucky citrus]

Need some good full size case suggestions.

Hit me up with some links.

Something that can fit 2x480s at bare minimum.

Anything less I won't buy it.

[open adder]

I think 7000d airflow fits 2 480@plucky citrus

Yep it does

2 480mm +1 360mm

[plucky citrus]

ok ok

I could have sworn

Jay 2 cents had a case that did a bunch of 480s too

Just don't know what case that was.

[open adder]

Yeah he did a video on it

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Super-Tower-and-Full-Tower-Cases/7000D-AIRFLOW-Full-Tower-ATX-PC-Case/p/CC-9011218-WW

260$ tho

[plucky citrus]

You know what case it was

I cant find it

He has a build list but I don't see a case.

[open adder]

It was the 7000d airflow

https://youtu.be/3cqv0JMuYNY

This video right?

[plucky citrus]

might not be a bad case

Should be able to fit 2 of my 480s

and maybe one of my 360s

[scenic lance]

is a golden B tier psu great or eh

specificly talking about the CXF rgb

[fierce pivot]

Rgb on a psu is bad, what specs is the rest of the system, and what country?

Mainly cpu and gpu

[scenic lance]

10400 paired with a 3060 or 3070

and im from the us

I dont care abt rgb on psu

[fierce pivot]

Then get a msi apg 750w

It's like 90$ iirc

[scenic lance]

alr

[fierce pivot]

It's also an a tier psu, it's

[scenic lance]

are you talking about these three?

[fierce pivot]

Yes but i would get the 750w if you can spend the bit extra over the 650w

It's worth every penny of the 9$ extra for not having to buy a new psu when you next upgrade etc

[scenic lance]

is 750 enough for a 3070 or even maybe a 3080?

[fierce pivot]

If you might get a 3080, get the enermax revolution d.f. 850w, it's a bit cheaper/same price(I'm pretty sure) as the msi one but a small bit better

If it's more expensive than the msi 850w, i would be perfectly happy with the msi 850w tbh

[scenic lance]

kk

[civic hemlock]

Should be yeah

[chrome iris]

They’re literally the exact same, just a different fan

[fierce pivot]

i thought there was slight mods to the revo?

[chrome iris]

Not that I know of

And whoever the heck said AGF was single rail I swear it’s multi

[elfin trout]

Apparently Revo d.f. is the base model cwt GPU, and the single rail ones are actually modified lol

[chrome iris]

Lemme fact check myself

I think you’re thinking of the Thermaltake GF1 Mr1111

Which is the modified CWT single rail

Cause AGF definitely has multiple 12v rails according to its label

Here’s revo DF label btw

So yes @fierce pivot they’re the exact same, minus the brand and fan, cause Enermax uses their in house twister fan or whatever, which I guess is a teeny tiny bit better but nothing too noticeable.

So just get whatever is cheaper lol

[fierce pivot]

ohh fair enough

[civic hemlock]

How does the EVGA BR 700 compare to other units for the price? Just curious since that's what I have

[chrome iris]

How much is 700 BR again? Like $70?

$60?

[civic hemlock]

$60

[elfin trout]

A-gf is multi rail

[chrome iris]

Yes

[elfin trout]

Segotep sg-g gonna be the competition then

Maybe a bq

[civic hemlock]

I heard BQ was dog though

[elfin trout]

I mean

[chrome iris]

BQ ain’t good either

[elfin trout]

Br might be even worse

[chrome iris]

Better then BR at least iirc

[elfin trout]

Not saying bq is good

It's just in the price range and is comparable

[chrome iris]

BR isn’t anything special, it’s a very budget orientated unit and I wouldn’t power 700w with it.
What CPU and GPU are you pairing this with?

[civic hemlock]

Isn't BR non-group regulated though

[chrome iris]

BR is DC-DC yeah

[elfin trout]

Thought br was groupreg

Oh well

[chrome iris]

Nah it’s not

[elfin trout]

It's still bad

[chrome iris]

I looked through the fan grille on my 450 BR to confirm lol

[elfin trout]

Lol

[civic hemlock]

My PC has a 2600+5600XT so nothing special. Only reason why I got it was because it was on discount for like $30

[elfin trout]

Meh, it works fine

[chrome iris]

Ah a $30 700 BR

It’s fine, not ideal but it’s fine

[civic hemlock]

Yeah pretty insane deal

[elfin trout]

Not gonna blow up

[chrome iris]

Not as good as my $19 650 B5 tho

[elfin trout]

Pretty sure like ga 600w or smth was 30$ for prime day

[civic hemlock]

EVGA always has huge sales yeah

[chrome iris]

EVGA been having mega sales recently it’s bonkers

[elfin trout]

B stonks

[chrome iris]

Great for high end flippers, slap a $50 550w GA in a PC and you got the EVGA 80+ gold selling point for a 3060 build or whatever

Brand new too

[civic hemlock]

EVGA has good warranty too

5+ years on most of their units

[chrome iris]

They have standard warranty

[elfin trout]

Sad they don't have anything great since g2

[chrome iris]

Only 3 on the BR tho

[elfin trout]

And yea 5 years p standard

[chrome iris]

Yeah EVGA has been so close to making good units and then they set OTP too high or smth stupid like that

[elfin trout]

Poor g3

[civic hemlock]

I just heard they had bad safeties

[chrome iris]

And P2

[elfin trout]

Nah

[chrome iris]

P2 got da too high OTP on it

[elfin trout]

It's ocp too high, and missing otp iirc?

[chrome iris]

Or OCP

One of the OPs

[elfin trout]

Either missing or just high set

[civic hemlock]

Well at least it's not a P-GM kek

[chrome iris]

True

[civic hemlock]

I believe the AP-GM is good though

[elfin trout]

Mhm

Hey, the soldering quality in the p-gm is great at least xD

Just can't say that about the components inside

[chrome iris]

It also blows up tho

Ig always look on the bright side

[elfin trout]

Heh

[civic hemlock]

Yeah they market it as a really nice cheap 80+ Gold Fully modular high wattage PSU, but it literally blows up during tests lmao

[elfin trout]

always look on the bright side of life

[civic hemlock]

How does the Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 compare to other 650-850w units though

[chrome iris]

Better than a BR

It’s on the same CWT platform but it’s modified and got da single rail

[elfin trout]

Gf1 is great

[chrome iris]

So would still pick a Revo DF or AGF over it but it’s a good unit

(If priced the same)

[elfin trout]

It's on the same CWT platform as good PSUs, not same as br

[civic hemlock]

Yeah on Cyberpower it goes on discount a lot so it's usually the go to option

[elfin trout]

Also, found what I was think about
https://youtu.be/egT5tIkmAVE

[fallow cairn]

Looked like a children's video to me

[elfin trout]

Lol

[elfin trout]

What'd you expect with a depiction of the Third Reich and Italy stabbing Lithuania

[fallow cairn]

[elfin trout]

Very much children video

Kids need to learn to stab anyone who is putting ketchup on pizza

/s

[fallow cairn]

no ketchup on pizza

[elfin trout]

Mhm

We can agree on that part

Most of the themes in that video isn't really child friendly

But the music is pretty friendly sounding

It's just Mounty python

[vocal tree]

Dammit

You're making me want to make ketchup pizza

[surreal magnet]

ketchup is just condensed tomato sauce

[fierce pivot]

Ewww no, ketchup is like 60% sugar lol

[open adder]

There are ones with no suger and salt

Most of them arent tho

[fierce pivot]

Then that's just tomato sauce in a bottle lol

[open adder]

Yeah but the texture isnt the same

Taste abit different

But still no reason to make pizza with ketchup lol

[surreal magnet]

bruh you dont get the no sugar added ketchup?

[fierce pivot]

I think all ketchup is icky but i think I've seen it a solid 5 times in my life xd

[graceful apex]

I have a Cooler Master Mystique 631 RC-631-KWN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case and was wondering if there was anywhere where I could just order the front panel since my current one is completely broken.

[mild roost]

nah

sadly all you can do is find another same case or just use it like that

[twilit basin]

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PVzZxr/corsair-txm-gold-650w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020132-na opinions?

[vocal tree]

A tier unit

[chrome iris]

Good psu, I like

[remote inlet]

my gf would want a pink themed setup, any case recommendations?

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353206?item=N82E16811353206&source=region&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-pc&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-pc-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811353206&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxJqHBhC4ARIsAChq4auF3ZoPRLSVh6apmt2hk0nafTdmXPkSZXeGRAjWatngM0c9axZvEhwaAgH4EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

[surreal magnet]

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-00GU-00063

[fierce pivot]

That's an..... Interesting case

[slate creek]

Personally I’d get a white Corsair 4000D and spray paint it pink

Probably the best choice

[fierce pivot]

That's what i was gonna recommend too lol

[slate creek]

Lol

Or maybe some vinyl wrap so it doesn’t void warranty but then again it’s a case

[fierce pivot]

That means you gotta be okay with spray painting it tho lol

[fierce pivot]

That's a good idea

[slate creek]

Probably easier to wrap it since you don’t need to dismantle and sand the case

Then worry about getting a good even coat

[fierce pivot]

Yep a lot easier

[civic hemlock]

The biggest Focus Gold ripoff you'll ever see

[elfin trout]

I mean, what's wrong with that :P

so many different focus gold's

[civic hemlock]

Well yeah but I when I saw it, I literally thought it was the Focus Gold because they look exactly the same lol

[elfin trout]

It is literally a focus gold, like many others

[civic hemlock]

Yeah ik

I believe NZXT C is also a Focus

[elfin trout]

as in the screenshot

[civic hemlock]

Yeah didn't see them there

[civic hemlock]

Ik

[elfin trout]

anyways

it's just how PSUs are

same PSU, different brand and sticker

maybe a different fan

[civic hemlock]

Yeah isn't the EVGA B1 literally a Superflower Ledux

Wait no it's called something else I can't remember

[elfin trout]

one of them maybe

evga is all over the place

[civic hemlock]

Oh it was T2

[elfin trout]

g2 p2 t2 are all leadex's

[civic hemlock]

Yeah I thought so

Is Leadex III any good?

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LjZ9TW/ Specifically this one

[elfin trout]

I hate how pcpp named it, but the bronze pro is decent

[civic hemlock]

Super Pro lmao

[elfin trout]

this thing exists

this does not

[slate creek]

Lmao I don’t like the name of that

Super Flower

Eww

[elfin trout]

what

sf is great

leadex iii gold is great

that's g2

[civic hemlock]

Is the Bronze Pro better than the Segotep GP?

[slate creek]

I know it’s great I just don’t like the name😂

[vocal tree]

It flows

Superly

Pcpp should have user editing

To fix all their stupid blunders

And add parts they don't have

[elfin trout]

not enough data tbh

[civic hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J2LCYg I'm making a parts list for my friend so I was wondering what a good cheap at least 500w unit would be and I was considering
CX
GP
Bronze Pro
random EVGA supernova units that are on discount

[chrome iris]

CX is always nice

whats ur budget for a psu

[civic hemlock]

Preferably anything below $60

[chrome iris]

GP got dat random rebrand thingy so its not as good, CX over it definitely

[civic hemlock]

But CX is usually like $80

[chrome iris]

true

550w B5 is $59 rn

and then theres GP

so idk those seem to be ur best bets

oh or suprnova GA

[civic hemlock]

Yeah B5 is one of the random supernova units that I was considering

[chrome iris]

id prob go with 550w Supernova GA for $54

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v6qBD3/evga-supernova-ga-550-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-ga-0550-x1

[civic hemlock]

Well something with an MSRP of below $60 since it might not be on discount when he buys

[chrome iris]

this unit has been on sale for like 2 weeks now fr fr

when he buys ping me or smth and if its not available or whatever i can suggest you a new one, or just get B5/GP

[civic hemlock]

I'll probably just put whichever is on discount

[chrome iris]

Aight

[fierce pivot]

Segotep gp 600w

[remote inlet]

was thinking about that

or just going for a white/pink

[remote inlet]

LOL

[civic hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CcjNnQ/sama-sama-3d-atx-mid-tower-case-sama-3d Do you guys know about this case and if there's any issues with it? Seems really good for the price
Just for heads up I'm not buying anything I'm just deal hunting

[minor portal]

Decks#5664 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fallow cairn]

GA is literal shi* as per JG, get the GT or something else instead

@chrome iris for future reference

[chrome iris]

fr? can i see a review on it?

[fallow cairn]

No reviews out yet, although JG did some testing and..https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/769034089557655553/859993196540329984/unknown.png?width=1200&height=263

[chrome iris]

daaaang

i know evga been not very great in terms of psus lately but i didnt expect a higher end unit to be dog water

[civic hemlock]

Yeah I heard something like that somewhere so I was skeptical about GA ever since but I just couldn't remember what it was lol

[chrome iris]

isnt real ARGB, fans cant change colors

[civic hemlock]

Other than cosmetic issues

[chrome iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpz7YfGxS70

[civic hemlock]

Seems pretty good other than the ARGB thing

[dapper crystal]

Anyone have any recommendations for a good case? Currently my eyes are on this: https://www.newegg.com/black-cougar-panzer-max-g-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811553053?Item=N82E16811553053&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-11-553-053-_-07092021

[weary vine]

4000d airflow

[dapper crystal]

What?

[weary vine]

You asked for a good case

lol

4000d airflow

[dapper crystal]

I just looked it up. A bit smaller than the one I have my eyes on.

[weary vine]

5000d airflow then

[slate creek]

Lancool II Mesh is where it’s at

[weary vine]

also why do you need a larger case

[slate creek]

You really don’t need a full tower unless you’re planning to do some large custom loop

[vocal tree]

Disappointed there's no 3000d

[elfin trout]

coolermaster h500

[dapper crystal]

I currently have the Thermaltake Level 20 MT case. It isn't big enough for future expansion.

[weary vine]

what future expansion

big case =/= future expansion if it isnt designed well

[hollow gale]

looking at the specs of your current case, in order to get something with more capability, you're gonna have to look at the Corsair 5000d airflow, or the LianLi 011D

[dapper crystal]

I am in fact eyeing the 5000D, mainly for the fact that it can mount a triple-fan GPU and still have room for a 360mm radiator on the side vents.

[hollow gale]

yeah. its a good one. lots of fan mouts, great cable management.

[dapper crystal]

Way I am picturing it is 3x120mm fans in front as intake fans, 3x120mm fans on top as exhaust fans, and the 360mm radiator on the side blowing air out of the case. Should be slightly better for thermal management because the radiator fans would capture the cooler air before it gets heated up by the other components.

[hollow gale]

sounds good. only thing you have to take note of: you are creating a negative pressure environment, which means you will have more dust

hes doing the exact opposite of that

[weary vine]

my bad I misread

[dapper crystal]

When the radiator is on the top, you're using hot air to cool the rad. When it is on the front, you're pushing hot air into the case to cool everything else. Having Airflow through the case separate from the radiator, allows cooler air to flow past the radiator.

[weary vine]

I know

I misread

not misunderstood

[dapper crystal]

But yeah, that's my plan with this case once I get it. This would allow me to eventually run an AIO-cooled Ryzen 7 5800x and a triple-fan Radeon RX 6800XT

[hollow gale]

if thats your only goal, then the 5000d might be overkill. imho.

[elfin trout]

Top mount rad is generally considered best as natural convection and heat rising, and top mount reduces the chances air will get trapped in the pump, and from testing of top mount versus front mount for thermals, differences are minimal.

[hollow gale]

for example, with the Lancool ii, you can have a front mount 360 AIO, and the case has fan mounts in the basement that can blow cool air directly on your GPU

[slate creek]

That’s my current setup lmao

And it works pretty damn well

[dapper crystal]

Yeah. Three 120mm fans in front to blow cool air into the case, the fan mounts on bottom to cool the GPU, the three fans on top to blow hot air out of the case, and the radiator on the side separate from the Airflow through the case. Might seem like overkill, but to us gamers, there's no such thing as overkill.

[slate creek]

The 5000D is really good if you’re putting together a custom loop, for your setup it’s overkill

Oh and yes there is such a thing as overkill

[hollow gale]

Totally up to you bud, really. But I dont think you will see a significant temperature difference with the alternative example I posted with the lancool ii

[slate creek]

Doesn’t the Lancool II have better airflow than the 5000D anyway?

[hollow gale]

I cant speak to that

[elfin trout]

It's all good

[slate creek]

I know it beats out the 4000D airflow wise

[dapper crystal]

It also depends on the fans themselves.

[elfin trout]

Not really in case testing when it's the same fans

[dapper crystal]

I have a habit of replacing the fans that come with the case, with better fans

Sometimes if I can, I will even replace the CPU heat pipe cooler fans with better ones

[slate creek]

If you’re going to replace them I’d just go for some Arctic P12s

[dapper crystal]

For example, Cooler Master Hyper 212 stock fan only pushes 42CFM with a pressure of 2.9mm H2O. I use the Cooler Master Blade Master 120 fan on my Hyper 212. 76.8CFM max with a max pressure of 3.9mm H2O

[elfin trout]

Cfm measurements kinda suck for comparisons, different manufacturers use different ways for measurements

Third party testing and comparison with multiple fans usually good tho

[dapper crystal]

Well, with the BIOS on stock settings, but with XMP enabled and a room ambient of 23c, this setup keeps the Ryzen 5 3600 very cool. 31c idle, 56c while gaming, and 68c at 100% all-core

But then again, I have three Thermaltake Pure Plus 12 fans as intake and three as exhaust on the Level 20 MT case I use currently, with the case fans running through a controller at 70% duty cycle constantly

[elfin trout]

Not too sure what we're talking about now, but just saying don't just go off what the label says for comparing fans.

[dapper crystal]

What I have seems to work, it's just that cable management and Airflow through the case are complicated. That's mainly why I am looking for a new case.

[hollow gale]

thats freakin decent!

[dapper crystal]

And I'm not doing anything special to get those temperatures other than paying attention to Airflow through the case

[dapper crystal]

And that's just using the Cooler Master Hyper 212 with one of Cooler Master's better fans.

[dapper crystal]

https://thermalbench.com/2015/01/21/cooler-master-blade-master-120-fan/4/

"As far as noise and airflow goes, it does outperform the more expensive and famous Noctua NF-F12 IPPC-2000 PWM fan."

[elfin trout]

Heh, fun

But well, Noctua fans are fairly mediocre outside of nf-a12x25

For noise normalized perf

[dapper crystal]

I'm not that concerned about noise. Headphones I use for gaming do a good job of canceling a lot of the outside noise including the case fan noise, and the fan noise when the computer is at idle is good white noise

[elfin trout]

In pure airflow, not much can match the good ol delta finger choppers xD

[dapper crystal]

I prefer a mix of air flow and air pressure. Fan noise is secondary to all that.

[elfin trout]

I mean, it's just really hard to beat a 12000rpm fan in pure airflow when it's just drawing that much power and going that fast

[dapper crystal]

Yeah. For my needs, though, my current hardware is more than enough, but the cable management in the Level 20 MT is a tech's worst nightmare to say the least. That's my main reason for shopping for a new case. I want a bigger one so I can add a 360mm AIO cooler and a triple-fan GPU at a later time

[slate creek]

Most decent mid towers like the 4000d and Lancool II will fit a 3 fan GPU and 360 aio

[dapper crystal]

This is with the stock fan on the Hyper 212. I'm getting about 5 degrees cooler at idle and about 9 degrees cooler at 100% just by using a fan that pushes more air across the pipes at a higher pressure. https://youtu.be/M6z6BCovVkQ

[weary vine]

Hyper 212 is garbo

[fierce pivot]

Corsair 4000d/5000d airflow, or p500a

[dapper crystal]

I'm going with the 5000D Airflow. Once I get the bills paid, that is.

[fierce pivot]

Nice case

[zenith basalt]

what psu wattage should i use for a kingpin bios 2080 ti

[weary vine]

How many pcie cables is it using

[vocal tree]

Probably 600+ but I swear people used to say a good 550w PSU would handle it just fine given you don't have a million hard drives and a massive CPU

[slate creek]

What’s a kingpin bios?

I hear it all the time yet I have no clue what it is

[vocal tree]

Well there's a brand of GPU called kingpin

So it would probably be a non kingpin gpu running a bios meant for a kingpin

[fierce pivot]

Enermax revolution df 850w

[fierce pivot]

Kingpin is an extreme overclocker and works with evga to make the kingpin series of the highest end card

[fierce pivot]

That's it yeah

[weary vine]

The bios that comes with kingpin cards

[slate creek]

Ahh ok that makes sense

[slate creek]

Nice

[mild roost]

rip airflow

glass front

[fierce pivot]

Tbf to Corsair the 4000x airflow aint the worst as the slots on the side can allow a decent amount of air in

[mild roost]

ah

then that's not bad

[vocal tree]

Wide air channels

[covert zenith]

I have the 4000D airflow. sick case!

[slate creek]

Idk why but I find the 4000D to be a bit bland and overused

[covert zenith]

perhaps, maybe if you have had 5 pcs up to now 😛

[slate creek]

5? Rookie numbers

[covert zenith]

exactly :#

[fierce pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/takethatback-sheldon-the-big-bang-theory-take-that-gif-5482737

[slate creek]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-never-gif-11246420

[fierce pivot]

https://c.tenor.com/7BXBF0dbC38AAAAM/angry-annoyed.gif

[slate creek]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-ping-pong-gif-5410048

[fierce pivot]

https://c.tenor.com/Rf7Azpn80dUAAAAM/knife-cut.gif

[weary vine]

BAD

[slate creek]

Am I wrong tho? Is it not overused?

Everyone either has a 4000/5000D, O11 Dynamic or H510

[weary vine]

Doesnt matter

you dont say bad things about bae

[slate creek]

Bae is Lian Li Lancool II Mesh

[fierce pivot]

Lian li has scarred their reputation for cases for me with the o11

[slate creek]

Lmao

[civic hemlock]

4000X actually has pretty good airflow iirc

[mild roost]

yah, i got the correction from pato

[civic hemlock]

Yeah Corsair makes some really good airflow cases even without a mesh panel

[open adder]

My brother has the 4000x its pretty good like 2-3c more then the airflow version

[slim hill]

hi

[dry dock]

h510 aka bomb box

[idle viper]

Looking for recommendations on dust proof cases.

[ruby cloak]

I just got a pc 1660ti and i5 and a 310 watt psu also the ram is 8gb 2666mhz I am having problems with running games and just bought new ram and think I need to buy a new psu is that right

[elfin trout]

Do you have 2 sticks of 8gb ram now?

and since it's a 310w PSU, fair to assume it's proprietary, and hard to replace...

[slate creek]

Yeah it’s probably proprietary and you’d also have to replace the mobo at the same time

[fierce pivot]

I prefer the term oven for anything other than i3 1650 kek

[fleet wigeon]

will this be a good psu pato

@fierce pivot

[fierce pivot]

All depends on price and the rest of the build, but stand alone, with no context, meh

[fleet wigeon]

$28 for psu

with a msi mag b460

i have the cpu ram already

[chrome iris]

For $50 if you wanted you could get a 650 GT
$20 more for a lot higher quality and a buncha extra watts

[fleet wigeon]

i can choose any god dam power supply that i want

[chrome iris]

My man that’s why I said “if you wanted”

Just suggesting it and telling you the pros of it sheesh chill

[fleet wigeon]

$28 is in my budget

i will get a atx mobo

no sense on me getting a modular psu

[idle viper]

Looking for case recommendations for dust proofing

[wise rune]

on my mobo there is a cpu1 and cpu2 power connector but my power supply only has a cpu1. Are both of these neccasary?

[mild roost]

when the psu is proprietary, it's also very safe to assume it's gonna be proprietary too xD

[vocal tree]

Are they both two separate clusters of 8 pins? The second one should be fine to leave out, it's for heavy overclocking power delivery but even one 8 pin can deliver a lot of power I think

[fierce pivot]

The extra money isn't for modular, it's for higher quality power and more of it

[fierce pivot]

Nothing is dust proof but how dust proof are you talking, and for what parts?

[fierce pivot]

If it's 4 +4 pins, no you need both, if it's 8+4, you don't need the 2nd 4th pin

[vocal tree]

balanced or positive airflow + compucleaner

dust blower go vroom

don't really need a second 4 pin even unless they have a power hungy cpu?

[fierce pivot]

Positive better, balanced is never truly balanced, I'm tryna see if they mean like for a workshop where they need a nh p1 cooled i5 or something

[fierce pivot]

Ehh if it's just 4, no harm having the 2nd 4

[vocal tree]

yea

[fleet wigeon]

no i don’t think so

[fierce pivot]

Yes it is lol

Look if you wanna be rude about it don't ask for peoples help please

[weary vine]

you think. pato knows.

see the difference?

[slate creek]

Pato is kinda a genius in terms of this type of stuff

Might as well get a gigabyte PGM if you don’t want any recommendations or help even after asking for it

[fierce pivot]

I wouldn't go as far as genius still don't know some stuff but thanks :)

[weary vine]

PCPP jesus

[uneven carbon]

I have a question about the H210i, for context i am looking for an itx case that can hold a full size 3 fan GPU. It says that the 210 can hold up to a 325mm. card but i was wondering if that counts the cutout for a radiator in the front of the case. The weird thing is that the outer length for the length is 345mm. so i am asking because I don't think it does but i thought here would be a good place to ask I am planning on putting an 240mm AIO on the front of the case and want to know if i have to get a 2 fan card. I would like to have a 3070ti, but i haven't seen any that are only 2 fan cards. I hope that makes sense, thanks!

[weary vine]

Yeah do you own the case already?

[uneven carbon]

No

[weary vine]

Ok dont buy it

bad airflow

[uneven carbon]

Is there a different ITX case that would have better airflow. I'm looking for a smaller build

[fierce pivot]

Meshilicious

[uneven carbon]

i have absolutely no idea what that means

oh wait nvm

that case looks pretty cool

thanks for the help!

[fleet wigeon]

ok i found a good one semi modular

[fierce pivot]

Np :)

[fleet wigeon]

i will be getting the Yes but not that power supply especially when this one is better and cheaper EVGA Supernova 650 GT, 80 Plus Gold 650W, Fully Modular, Auto Eco Mode with FDB Fan, 7 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 150mm Size, Power Supply 220-GT-0650-Y1 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B088SSX883/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_M3ZH50PAHTZMCATX62N7

plus a msi mag msi mag b460 torpedo

Pato also i am sorry if i was mean to you

[fierce pivot]

You weren't mean to be you were rood to yams

[fleet wigeon]

will this psu work with the msi board i picked

[odd rapids]

Lol

What are your specs?

According to Johnny, the GT is “decent”

He ranks it around CXF and below the RM

[fleet wigeon]

msi mag b460 torpido 8 gigs of ram and a gt 1030 gpu

there are the specs Chevy

[scenic lance]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Platinum-Crossfire-Continuous/dp/B077Z6DSXT/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=thermaltake%2B1000w&qid=1626127679&sr=8-3&th=1 is this psu decent ?

[fierce pivot]

It's an a tier afaik but i have a bit of a grudge at thermal take ngl

[scenic lance]

its 1200w for decent price

[fierce pivot]

Why 1200w lol

[scenic lance]

I been using that psus (but 750w) for a long time . I currently have 2 of them which is 3-4years old and it powering my 3070 and rx6900xt without any issue

[scenic lance]

couse its price is same as other 1000w ones lol

[fierce pivot]

Fair lol

[scenic lance]

I have this one , evga g3 , and rmx on my sight now

come on why picking psu is that much hard...

[civic hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LxCFf7/be-quiet-straight-power-11-1200-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bn645 I think Straight Power 11 is better and it's (usually) the same price

But idk why you would need 1200W anyway

[fierce pivot]

359$

[scenic lance]

lol actually 1000w is pretty enough to me just saw good 1200w for decent price lol

[civic hemlock]

It's been $250 for forever now idk why it jumped up in price

[fierce pivot]

Typical lol

[civic hemlock]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1556368-REG/be_quiet_bn645_straight_power_11_platinum.html Oh it's because of stock. They took off the B&H listing for some reason

No one should ever need more than 1000W anyway unless they have 2 3090s or something lol

Even a 5950x 3090 will do fine with a good 850w PSU

[scenic lance]

I have only one 3090 (its still not on my hand actually its on the way lol) with 10700k currently

[civic hemlock]

850 would be enough for sure

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CQNgXL/enermax-revolution-df-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-erf850ewt This is a pretty nice PSU

[fierce pivot]

3090 gets insane power spikes i would 1000w

[civic hemlock]

850 is still perfectly fine for a 3090

[scenic lance]

umm but its not bad to have extra room 🤔

[civic hemlock]

Sure but the price difference for most 1000w+ units from 850 is huuuuge

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#X=17000,19000&A=1000000000000,2000000000000 Well there's these units

[elfin trout]

I mean, it's not THAT bad, it's like 400w peaks

[tribal narwhal]

What’s a good cheap ATX/mATX case

[civic hemlock]

For what price?

[tribal narwhal]

100-150USD

[scenic lance]

ugh why picking psu is that hard

[civic hemlock]

It's not

[civic hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ybH8TW/lian-li-lancool-ii-mesh-atx-mid-tower-case-lancool-ii-mesh-performance Probably this

It's a pretty popular case and good value. They also have an RGB version

[scenic lance]

theres lots of choices and i just lst in it lol

[civic hemlock]

Well for 850 I gave you a good option, and for 1000, I gave you some good options too

@tribal narwhal https://www.newegg.com/black-lian-li-lancool-atx-mid-tower/p/2AM-000Z-00061 oh the rgb version is on discount and the same price so might as well

[tribal narwhal]

yo thats a great price ngl

[slate creek]

If you’re getting a 3090, 1000 watts is pretty much minimum

I don’t really care what Nvidia says about it being 750/850

Those 500 watt transients are killer

[sand atlas]

Yeah but the 1000W+ ones are more expensive because miners, and even those ones can get protections tripped. It's not just the total load exceeding the max rated load, it's the spike like you said. You need a unit with A+++ rated transient response, no matter the rated capacity.

[odd rapids]

Okay

GT is fine then

CX650 is on sale too if that interests you

[fallow cairn]

Sub 1 ms transients are slightly higher than 400w

Around 600w If I recall correctly

https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-founders-edition-review-between-even-between-evaluate-and-common-decadence-if-price-is-not-all/16/

[sand atlas]

Is that before or after the driver updates that reduced the transients?

[elfin trout]

I mean, usually OCP isn't THAT sensitive

afaik most won't trip for <1ms transients

[sand atlas]

To answer my own question that article is from Sep 2020, so before driver updates

[fallow cairn]

Driver updates reduced the transients?

[fierce pivot]

I mean yeah but 400w is a lot for one component

[scenic lance]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-black/6459246.p?skuId=6459246

This one is pretty cheap is it alright?

[sand atlas]

Yes the RMx series is one of the best

Great transient response too

[fleet wigeon]

what is considered cheap price range @sand atlas

for psu

[fierce pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/itdepends-theanswer-ltt-gif-20874711

[civic hemlock]

It's a good, cheap 1000w unit yeah

RMx is one of the best PSU lineups imo

[civic hemlock]

850 is definitely enough for 3090

And it has a 350w TDP so if it has 400-500w power spikes, 850 would be enough

[sand atlas]

Depends on which model you have, some 3090s have a 450-490W TDP, in which case you WILL trip protections regularly on a 850W PSU.

[civic hemlock]

I was talking about FE