cases-psu-and-cooling

[vital wing]

Of the Case

And i need to remove the box

Because it cant fit because of the small holes theres in the back

[scenic lance]

Ok, nevermind, I'm out.

[pliant oyster]

They have to have a screw or screws holding it on then or they couldn't of gotten it in lol

[vital wing]

The only thing

I see is this

[pliant oyster]

Is that a zip tie just clipped?

[vital wing]

Yes

But if i remove it

[pliant oyster]

And its the only thing around the "cage"? What about on the back side of the case? If thats not holding any wires I would snip it. In corsair cases that have psu shrouds they have a screw or two you remove and then kind of push down and slide it

[vital wing]

The wires thats holding will fall and i wont be able to open PSU

Or box it has around

[pliant oyster]

Can you get a picture of the back? Where the cage meets the case/mb area?

[vital wing]

cant open it rn

[pliant oyster]

Have you watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2D6K1YoLsQ?

I haven't but I think it applies to their machines

nevermind thats worthless

[vital wing]

Ima just check alter when i open it

If theres screws

Butima need to remove to the DVD rack

[pliant oyster]

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/how-to-open-the-power-supply-compartment_topic51901.html

Do you know what your pc model# is?

I would register on their forums and ask as they will have direct knowledge about how to change it for your case

[vital wing]

OK

Thx @pliant oyster

Wait

M grpahics card recommendaton is 500W

Andthis is

600WaTT

Will it damagemy GPU

Or any other

Things

[tropic dune]

@vital wing 500w is recommended, a 600w is not going to force the PC to use more than it wants to draw. you will be fine

[vital wing]

Ok

And about the jumper if i use it does it stay there and not have to remove it?

[verbal chasm]

Is the node 202 good

[vital wing]

Node202

[verbal chasm]

Yeah

[vital wing]

Its not on theTier list

So ima have to search it manually

[scenic lance]

It's a case, not a psu I believe.

[vital wing]

Yeah its a case

[scenic lance]

facepalm

[vital wing]

Lol i got confussed

Yeah a case is your own feel @verbal chasm

What ever you want of case

Its your choice

What cables does the floppy cable connect to

?

[leaden umbra]

Anyone know where I can get a 650w+ non modular psu preferably 700w that’s in stock right now

[vital wing]

PcPartPicker

Maybe Newegg

[oblique gazelle]

@leaden umbra Waiting for all of this to, "blowover" would be a safe bet because of inflation. At this point, supply and demand is overbearing on the market just like the cryptocurrency period.

[elfin trout]

no

[soft gorge]

I liked my s340 elite, it was nice

[willow hollow]

is meshify c overhyped?

[lofty pewter]

Nice case.... But spending 100 USD on some sheets of metal and two fans is.... Eh

[elfin trout]

its a bit overhyped

[willow hollow]

i wish prices would drop to 70$

then it'd really be worth

[chrome iris]

Is EVGA GD 2019 group regulated?

or nah

[lofty pewter]

Not GR, but a hecking lot of different GD models that isn't easy to tell difference from. I know of at least three GD models, one is 2018, 2019, and other idk. I know one is missing protections of which I think is 2019

[chrome iris]

huh

good to know

thanks Hei

or actually, for the 2019 model, what protections is it missing and how does that affect it?

[lofty pewter]

Pretty sure it was missing UVP (under voltage protection), sleeve bearing fan maybe, and might be but very unlikely low operating Temp? Can't remeber so don't take word on it but lack of UVP, remeber that one at least. Idk how hard it is to make voltage drop tho. So I can't really say how safe or dangerous it is. But lacking that knowledge makes it hard to recommend for being on catious side

[chrome iris]

Well I mean it's a B on the tier list

not as good as CX gray label

but I was wondering cause I have it ._.

Kinda bought it before I knew much. Just glad I didn't end up buying an N1

[unborn narwhal]

My case was like 60 bucks. I'll add another fan though

[chrome inlet]

Hi, I used PC Part Picker to put a build together and picked a PSU that was appropriate for the estimated wattage with some wiggle room (Estimate of ~337w, I went with a 500w). My Nvidia GTX 2060 super arrived today and I was checking out the bottom of the box and it said to use a minimum 550W psu. Is there a reason PPP's wattage estimate is off? WOuld my 500w PSU really be okay with a 550w-recommended GPU installed?

[round pike]

Got in in build chat

[barren oriole]

Alright I need a 25$ atx case idek if it's ugly or anything just needs to hold my mobo gpu and psu

[barren oriole]

Ping me if you somehow find a deal

[novel flax]

@barren oriole idk any deal but if you live in a city or semi-densely populated area, a great place to look is craigslist, letgo, etc. and ppl would probably give it to u for 5-10

[barren oriole]

I've looked on Craigslist too

It's just MacBooks

[silver dagger]

Can anyone recommend some good psu cable mods?

Like a brand

[golden kestrel]

uhhhh cable mod?

[chrome iris]

@silver dagger there’s a company called Cablemod

[silver dagger]

Ah I’ll check it out, thanks 😂

And I have a 2070 super, should I use one or two you power cables? 6 pin and 8pin connectors

[median hedge]

Hmmm

I’m using 2 on mine

2070 super rog

[pliant oyster]

Cablemod is great I'm using custom psu cables from them

You can get them made for your specific psu or get extenders

They are based in HK so shipping was a little slow. Order took ~1 1/2 weeks before it said it shipped then I would say another week and a half before it arrived. I had them made for my psu but super high quality.

I did also order when all the COVID panic was at its worst though so I would assume if they are back up to speed you won't wait long for a custom order.

[eager monolith]

Pricey but good quality

[pliant oyster]

I only ordered them because my mb came with a 10% off coupon

[median hedge]

Well I rather just walk to micro center or get mine from Amazon

[timid quarry]

Hey, can someone link me a good PC case? I need good airflow in mine but im on a short budget of 1k (for the entire pc), anyone got one?

[pliant oyster]

@median hedge microcenter caries the cable mod extensions and some others

[willow hollow]

TD500 Mesh :))

[golden kestrel]

Someone say td500 mesh? >:D

[median hedge]

Huh

That case looks good

[soft gorge]

Just finished swapping from a s340 elite to a TD500 mesh white this past week and so far it's pretty nice

[boreal orbit]

nice

nice

nice

[willow hollow]

stop spamming

[golden kestrel]

And he's outta here

[dense jungle]

Anyone else having a tough time finding the NXZT 510? I wanted to upgrade my case and I guess now isn't the best time. Can't find a lot of things tbh

[elfin trout]

I wouldn't call a H510 an upgrade for anything :P

[half meadow]

It has bad airflow

[scenic lance]

Nzxt isn't an upgrade, period.

[golden kestrel]

Maybe a td500 mesh would be a upgrade :D

[novel flax]

my case rn is kinda meh, what do u guys think of the lian li o11d?

the razer edition

[vocal talon]

o

[sharp fox]

but will it burst into flames

[vocal talon]

nah they shouldnt and they make metal ones too

[round pike]

The minimum temperature needed to ignite wood is 180 degrees Celsius or 356 degrees Fahrenheit. The amount of time of exposure varies due to the type of wood. Long-leaf wood has the fastest ignition time at this temperature, taking about 14 minutes to ignite.
As long as the computer doesn't get close to 180C it'll be good

[surreal magnet]

lol

[golden kestrel]

Lol

[soft gorge]

I like NZXT though 😦

[eager monolith]

I don't really

Like their budget options that I have seen aren't great quality

[vocal talon]

if they brought the h400 back and had the h1 more in stock i'd love them

[knotty blade]

can anyone recommend a good airflow case? I have the Pure Base 500DX on my build but the USB-C on the front Panel would be unusable due to my MOBO

[eager monolith]

TD500 Mesh is supposed to be good

[knotty blade]

what company are they?

[eager monolith]

You can also buy USB converters

It's from coolermaster

[knotty blade]

USB Converter?

[eager monolith]

https://www.amazon.com/LINKUP-Internal-Motherboard-Converter-Adapter/dp/B07WG8ZJ41

[vocal talon]

open bench

[eager monolith]

So you can use USB C on a mobo with no header for it

[knotty blade]

this is the warning I get

Note: be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ATX Mid Tower Case has a front panel USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type C port, but the MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard does not have sufficient USB 3.2 Gen 2 or Gen 1 headers. The case USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type C port will not be usable.

[eager monolith]

If you want to use the usb c on the case you can just get that adapter

[knotty blade]

ok

thanks

would there be a way to check compatibility with my MOBO?

just in case ya know

[eager monolith]

As long as you have a spare usb 3.0 internal header

[knotty blade]

alright

oh I wouldn't really even need the adapter

its got 1 USB-C port on the MOBO

[cloud minnow]

guys

im having trouble installing a psu

its a evga 600 watt 80+ bronze

[civic cedar]

What kind of trouble

[cloud minnow]

i dont know where pins go

to me i just see duplicate of the same

their is 2 4+2 pins for the gpu

and then their is a 4+4 pin for the cpu but i try to put it in

doesnt go in

and im scared to apply pressure

first time building a pc btw

[round pike]

Did you try both ways? You will have to use some pressure

[civic cedar]

And your sure there the right cables?

[cloud minnow]

it should be, i read over the manual

let me send a pic

[civic cedar]

Ok

[cloud minnow]

thats for the cpu

[civic cedar]

What does it say on it

[cloud minnow]

doesnt say anything at all

i already looked all over those pins

absolutely nothing

[civic cedar]

Just try giving some pressure it should work

[round pike]

You might need to squeeze those little latch things too as you put them in

[cloud minnow]

how about for the gpu pins

let me send a pic

[civic cedar]

Same

[cloud minnow]

does it matter which i connect

if not, i just find it odd how one is hanging right next to the other

[civic cedar]

Yeah it shouldn't matter

[round pike]

It doen't matter. The main reason there are two is that some GPUs take two

[cloud minnow]

what if the psu came doa? how can i find out

[round pike]

If it doesn't turn on, it's dead

[cloud minnow]

nice

so mine is dead

[round pike]

How's that?

[cloud minnow]

connected the 24 pins and gpu pin earlier, except the cpu i didnt connect

didnt bother to boot

[round pike]

It won't boot without the CPU pins

[cloud minnow]

oh..

[round pike]

Yeah, the CPU is what does most of the work in the computer. If it doesnt have power, nothing will turn on

[cloud minnow]

also, the 24 pins one side is like mostly in but the other side is half in

thats not normal right

i tried taking it out and putting it back in, and it just stays like that

do i also need to apply pressure to that

[round pike]

Do you have them in the right order? The smaller bit usually has to go in first

And yes, you will need to apply a decent amount of pressure

[cloud minnow]

am i supposed to hear a click or no?

[round pike]

Yes

[clear swallow]

if it still gives you grief, just check both sides of the connector with a flashlight and make sure nothing is stuck in there

it's very unlikely, but i've seen it happen before

[round pike]

There should be like a little latch on the connector. It needs to be over the edge of the plug and locked into place

If you can just pull the connector back out without releasing the latch, it's not in all the way

[cloud minnow]

i also noticed that the 24 pins has 1 missing, though on the mobo all 24 are there

is that also normal?

[round pike]

Yup, they don't use that pin anymore

[cloud minnow]

got it, ill get to work and test it out

ill update you guys in a bit

thanks

[round pike]

you're welcome. Best of luck! 👍

[unborn narwhal]

thoughts on this ? https://www.amazon.com/Power-Supply-Modular-Certified-Addressable/dp/B083RR7GBT?pf_rd_r=33PYZMR5JBGYBYA8DKEK&pf_rd_p=58f68c27-9bf4-466f-b1c8-101a062bcc82&pd_rd_r=3ed92027-0567-4414-9b09-c0f66c51d2c3&pd_rd_w=jAWSx&pd_rd_wg=bkPwM&ref_=pd_gw_wish

never herad of the brand

[eager monolith]

I would avoid it

[unborn narwhal]

bad brand?

[eager monolith]

The only listing on https://www.linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/ for that brand is D-tier. I wouldn't trust them

[unborn narwhal]

ohhh

[eager monolith]

Plus, it looks like a typical knockoff generic listing

[unborn narwhal]

linustechtips has rankings. interesting im' still waiting for the bitfenix whisper m but starting to gnaw on me

yeah tahts what i was thinking too but the rating on amazon. still cant trust it lol

[eager monolith]

Brands like those... they are known to pay for reviews

Against Amazon's TOS. I wouldn't trust them

Plus, it still costs most of what a good PSU costs

[unborn narwhal]

true

well looking at whisper m and revolution df both 650w. i think should be enough for mobo, rx5700 ryzen 5, 32gb ram, 1tb hybrid drive and added fans

[eager monolith]

Both look solid

[unborn narwhal]

yeah waiting for stock

[golden kestrel]

Why a hybrid drive tho?

SSDs aren't that expensive anymore

[unborn narwhal]

ive had it in this build since 2015

figure i'd just swap it over to the new build

[golden kestrel]

Okie

[unborn narwhal]

i guess i could get an ssd load windows and use the hybrid drive as file back up but eh it was so cheap at the time

[golden kestrel]

Probably a good idea

[unborn narwhal]

can i copy the total contents over to an SSD easily?

so i dont have to reload windows or anything

[golden kestrel]

You can, however I recommend a fresh windows install

[unborn narwhal]

blahhhh

good ssd recommendations then?

[golden kestrel]

M.2 or actual 2.5 inch ssd?

[unborn narwhal]

no clue lol

[golden kestrel]

What board do you have/gonna get?

[cloud minnow]

@round pike i think the psu is actually dead

[unborn narwhal]

asus tuf x570

[cloud minnow]

i plug everything in, switch the psu on and turn on the pc

absolutely nothing happens

[golden kestrel]

Ok, I would get a mp34 @unborn narwhal

[civic cedar]

Oof

[golden kestrel]

Team group mp34 to be specific

[unborn narwhal]

ok i'll look

[golden kestrel]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fsqhP6/team-mp34-512-gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-tm8fp4512g0c101

Here's the link

[unborn narwhal]

oh ty

[round pike]

@cloud minnow Just to make sure. The PSU switch is on?

[golden kestrel]

[round pike]

Is the front panel IO connected in the right places?

[cloud minnow]

the switch is on

and front panel io?

are you talking about all the plugs at the bottom

[round pike]

Yeah, those things

It looks like you have a lose wire in the middle there

[cloud minnow]

yeah it was this thing

my friend who also knows about pc, told me to do that

is their something wrong with that?

[round pike]

If that't the wire that the power button is hooked up to, then yes

[cloud minnow]

so what am i supposed to do?

[round pike]

Plug it in

[cloud minnow]

into what?

[round pike]

Whichever plug it's supposed to go in. Check your motherboard manual to figure out where that is

[golden kestrel]

[civic cedar]

[static sigil]

Wonder if anyone here knows this one

[round pike]

Whatcha got?

[static sigil]

There was a case, I forgot what it was and which company, but it was made for clean designs

[round pike]

Okay

[static sigil]

And it had some sound proofing on the front intake

[round pike]

Okay

[static sigil]

Any clues on what it was

[round pike]

are those the only leads you have?

[static sigil]

Yeah

Not a good lead, but to be fair I saw it about two to three weeks ago

[round pike]

About how old is the case? Is it a new one?

[static sigil]

I believe it’s pretty recent, at latest early 2019 would be my guess

[round pike]

Okay

What color?

Cooler Master Silencio maybe?

[static sigil]

White

Sorry it took so long, discord’s weird rn

[round pike]

np

Where did you see it?

[static sigil]

One of the tech you tubers. Not Linus, but I think the one that had the joke tutorial of how not to build a pc

Forgot his name

[round pike]

Maybe bitwit? Sounds like something he would do

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07N1NNJ52?tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1
Does this look familiar?

[static sigil]

Just checked, and it’s bitwit

[round pike]

I think bitwit used this case recently

[static sigil]

Looks sort of familiar

I remember it sort of similar to an next case though

I’ll check if that’s it though

ya know

I just searched up for sound dampening cases

It was probably a be quiet case

[round pike]

Did you find it? Be quiet would make sense

He did a video about the be quiet 601 and 801 a while back

[static sigil]

Checking through lists right now

It probably was one of those

Thanks for your help

That was it

[round pike]

Cool beans

[cloud minnow]

if i screw in the cpu cooler too in, can that damage the cpu

and if so, wouldnt you hear something?

[eager monolith]

Just finger tighten it

[static sigil]

What would you guys recommend for a psu if I’m planning on upgrading to the 30xx and ryzen 4

[dense jungle]

What would you guys recommend for a case under $100? I didn't realize the NZXT was crappy. Anything will be better than my $20 super budget case right now tbh

[clear swallow]

limited to any size, or any particular preference for size?

[dense jungle]

ATX Mid preferably, because I believe that's what I have now. @clear swallow

[clear swallow]

Fractal Design Meshify C is right around $100 and is a pretty popular one, otherwise there's a couple of Phanteks that come in under $100, the P300 is like...$70 i think

Both are ATX mid towers

[dense jungle]

Ah ok. I've heard very good things about the Meshify, would you recommend that over the others?

I'm thinking of going with a particular theme for my build, but I don't want to buy a crappy case regardless lol

[clear swallow]

I personally buy the cheap cases heh, so I can't really speak to any of them from personal experience. Fractal tends to get pretty solid reviews overall though

[dense jungle]

Ah ok!

I just have bad judgement, my case has horrible cable management. And now that I've had it for 4 years, it's looking...outdated lol

[clear swallow]

Some folks here have also used the Cougar MX330 in build lists, it's on the cheap side, but seems to be a solid and somewhat popular suggestion

[dense jungle]

Ah ok, also noted

Thank you @clear swallow!

[clear swallow]

🤘

[dense jungle]

🤘

[scenic lance]

Fractal, and Corsair seem to be good bets from my experience. Granted a lot of case picking is personal preference. Moreso than any other part really.

[dense jungle]

Ah ok, noted

I have to narrow it down for myself, otherwise I'll never buy a case lol

I'll just keep looking

And never buy anything

[scenic lance]

I've spent more time going back and forth over the case for my future build than anything, lol. It's what I do when I get bored.

[dense jungle]

I've been doing a lot of that lately, lol

I have my future build all set up, but I don't have enough to buy everything right now

Just peacemeal for now

[scenic lance]

Pretty much settled on cramming an EATX board into an ATX iCue 220T

[dense jungle]

Oh crap lol

[scenic lance]

Spent a whole lot of time measuring in order to figure out it will work. The board is only actually 1" wider so it'll fit.

[dense jungle]

Oh wow

If it works, it works lol

[static sigil]

So I’m looking at the H510i from nzxt, is the airflow on them good?

[round pike]

No

The airflow is horrible

[static sigil]

Figured as much

A tiny side intake

So then for a clean build, what sort of case would you recommend

Preferably white since literally everything in my room is white tho

[round pike]

Okay

[scenic lance]

What airflow?

[static sigil]

I would say better than most of nzxt, but that’s not a high bar

[round pike]

Corsair has some good ones

[scenic lance]

Wooosh

[static sigil]

Yeah I’m looking through of pcpp rn

Thoughts on this one? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BBrmP6/fractal-design-meshify-c-white-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-mesh-c-wt-tgc

[round pike]

I like it

[static sigil]

It does look nice, and it does have good airflow

I mean a black front panel shouldn’t hurt too much

[noble hatch]

Does Thermaltake make good psu’s?

[round pike]

Mostly no

[clear swallow]

really just the Thermaltake Smart series are the big ones to avoid, the rest of the lineup is mediocre to good, but not great

[steep blaze]

So, I have a snowblind case, and the leds for the side screen won't light up. I pushed the button, the front logo lights, but the leds still won't work. I traced the wires best I could, they looked solid.
Any advice?

[median hedge]

Well GG

[agile trench]

Is this a good case for arflow? https://www.newegg.com/matte-white-black-nzxt-h-series-h510-atx-mid-tower/p/N82E16811146317

[median hedge]

iirc people have said it wasn’t that goof#d

Good

[agile trench]

Okay, how about this case? Gaming Nexus reviewed it https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-MasterBox-Crystalline-Controller/dp/B08412JPCH?ref_=s9_apbd_onr_hd_bw_b2Ore&pf_rd_r=26VF4R39XZPKS3Y6JN14&pf_rd_p=d79858b6-6a4c-542f-b71c-a04862879bcc&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-10&pf_rd_t=BROWSE&pf_rd_i=572238

[elfin trout]

Td 500 mesh is very good for airflow @agile trench

H510 kinda sucks

[agile trench]

Okay, is it worth the $100 or should I go for cheaper. My budget is 1K.

[elfin trout]

For a case with RGB, it's definally worth it

If you don't care about rgb, there are cheaper cases like the mx330-g @agile trench

Tho with that one you'll need to buy an extra Arctic p12 or something as it's only got an exhaust fan

[agile trench]

I like the RGB and having a good case means I can sell the pc for higher

God this is so complex

[elfin trout]

TD500 mesh

Just do it

• The voice in your head

[eager monolith]

I love my case so much but the rgb won't sync with iCue 😦

[agile trench]

Yessss ty

[cloud minnow]

a 600 watt 80+ bronze is powerful enough for a 1660 super and a ryzen 5 3600

right

[turbid arrow]

@cloud minnow yes it is

[cloud minnow]

so then why does my pc not bother to even turn on?

i dont understand whats wrong

these are the right connections, correct?

or am i missing something? or is something not where its supposed to be where it is at

[round pike]

Those are the right connections

[native pier]

it might be something else

did it stop working or is it a new build? @cloud minnow

[median hedge]

There’s no troubleshooting channel?

[eager monolith]

#building-and-recc-chat or the relevant hardware channel 🙂

[clear swallow]

ok, thinking that i might just try and flip this old i7-920 system, i just need a cheap case/psu. any recommendations? don't need a window or rgb or anything like that (but it might help it sell later), just a simple atx mid tower is fine, and looking at probably a 450W PSU, either semi or non-modular

[cloud minnow]

sorry for late response, new build @native pier

first time too so like im kind of freaking out

[agile trench]

This a good case? https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811147307

[novel flax]

I bought a 250$ system from ibuypower so I could get their 200$ SE case

[vocal tree]

ebeg me the components 👀

[novel flax]

lol sold them all already, made a blazing 45$ @vocal tree

[vocal tree]

lmao

[novel flax]

someone in my town litterally paid 50$ for some weird cheap mobo, 8gbs of RAM, and a 4th gen i3

like-

then I didn't wanna bother w/ everything else so I sold the psu, cables, and cheap case fans as a bundle for 25

[tawny warren]

there’s is no USB connector on my PSU

[visual fjord]

Yeah, it's not supposed to have one

It supplies power thru the mobo to ur usb

[fringe granite]

usb headers get power from the giant 24 pin that goes into your mobo

[visual fjord]

You may need to install something first before your USB can supply charging power

For MSI, that's 'super charger' or smth

It's not fast, though

[scenic lance]

i need a mid tower atx case

plz helpppppppppppp

[eager monolith]

Td 500 mesh by coolermaster is supposed to be good

[split jacinth]

I got a Fractal Design Meshify C and I really like it

[tropic dune]

i have the Lian Li o11 Dynamic and my roommate has the Lancool II, i really like them both

[scenic lance]

so which 1

hmmm

[round pike]

My case is crap 🙂

Don't buy it

[civic cedar]

Same🙂

[visual fjord]

don't get my 20 dollar case either

no drive bay

[round pike]

Mine has a drive bay, but no HDD bracket so they added this thing on the side. I'm making a cd drive to HDD adapter right now

[tropic dune]

mine doesn't have an external drive bay but i don't need one so it's fine lol

[soft gorge]

TD500 mesh is pretty good so far, just wish there was a tad bit more room where the cables meet the psu

[scenic lance]

How good is the raidmax cobra 80+ gold 1000w PSU compared to the 500w thermaltake smart?

It's 89.89 USD

[eager monolith]

I would rather get the 850 watt version unless you have a reason to go 1000 watt

[scenic lance]

Pc partpicker only shows 1000 and 1200

Plus it's less then $90 for 1000w

[eager monolith]

But better, depending on which version of the smart you have. See https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/
PCPP doens't have every item in it's catolog

[scenic lance]

Ahh

My list

So

[eager monolith]

What do you have for storage?

I would rather go for a b+ tier or above PSU myself, but the cobra is better than a cheap smart

[scenic lance]

1tb Samsung 979 Evo plus nvme SSD and a 1 tb Seagate Firecuda SSHD

[eager monolith]

Alright, wanted to make sure you weren't planning on running on a mech

[scenic lance]

Nope

My mech is going back in this laptop and bring given to my grandmother

[inland sonnet]

can someone help me find out what case this is, i really want it

msg me if you can help XD

[short basin]

had to cop me a thermaltake versa h18
there were 12 left at 9:20 now theres 8

[scenic lance]

Thermaltake, yeeeeuuk

[lofty pewter]

I mean H18 isnt that bad, so long as you remove some of the mesh front because three mesh layers is... eh

[eager monolith]

My bro is low-key a thermaltake fanboy

[short basin]

its my first build

i wanted smthg cheap that is easy to work in and thats what the internet had told me

[scenic lance]

Do you always do what the internet says?

Some of us have been building computers for over 20 years, lol.

[short basin]

nice

[lofty pewter]

@scenic lance I mean, you're also on the internet telling him what to do to be fair

[scenic lance]

I was wondering if someone would comment on that, lol

[lofty pewter]

Tho, apart from the triple mesh front on H18 I dont think there is anything bad about it

[clear swallow]

working in a fractal case for the first time, and man these are nice lol

[soft gorge]

No issues?

[clear swallow]

other than my sausage fingers having issues running fan cables through the case, no issues

it's a fractal design R5 window

[scenic lance]

any word when the psu supply chain is expected to get back to normal?

[lofty pewter]

when shipping isnt bad

only reason why PSUs are dead supply wise in the stores rn

factories have lots of supply

[elfin trout]

Yea can't get them to warehouses to then be shipped

Factories are also working with lowered efficiency but that isn't the bottleneck as of now

[alpine fox]

I'm beginning to think it's going to take until fall for power supplies to stop going oos within minutes

[gritty violet]

am searching a case that looks great (rgb...) and have at least 3 fans and a good airflow (price range:100). What would you recommend ?

[scenic lance]

Corsair iCue 220T Airflow

It's about 109 I think

[gritty violet]

thanks man

[scenic lance]

No problem

[soft gorge]

I was really tempted to get the p400a, but ended up going with the TD500 mesh

[slim venture]

WW

great choice

[brittle bobcat]

im buying this motherbourd MSI PERFORMANCE what cpu do i need

[elfin trout]

which one

[brittle bobcat]

MSI PERFORMANCE GAMING X470 GAMING PLUS MAX AM4 AMD X470 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

[surreal magnet]

why are you buying that motherboard

[brittle bobcat]

trying to build a pc

[scenic lance]

[surreal magnet]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-b550m-a-wi-fi/p/N82E16813119316

what about this motherboard

@brittle bobcat

wait its on backorder rn

yikes

every b550 board is oos or backordered on wegg

[brittle bobcat]

so what do u reccomend

[surreal magnet]

when do you need a pc? now is a terrible time to build

[brittle bobcat]

no rush just bourd

[surreal magnet]

i assume your just playing video games?

[brittle bobcat]

y

[surreal magnet]

or are there other things you plan on doing

[brittle bobcat]

pics

[surreal magnet]

because, that will influence what mb i think you should buy

like, image editing?

[brittle bobcat]

y

[surreal magnet]

ok, so you probably wont need anything special soooo

something like this is fine

https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h/p/N82E16813145083?&quicklink=true

this one, actually

[brittle bobcat]

ok thx

now need pcu n type of cpu prosser

[surreal magnet]

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600/p/N82E16819113569

how about this?

[brittle bobcat]

what type pcu

[round pike]

It's AMD

[brittle bobcat]

12 or 24 pin

found it

what type of sound card n video card do u reccomnd

thank u 4 all the help im going to buy what u reccomnd

[crimson hedge]

Ight y'all I'm getting a Ryzen 5 2600x and tryna get a motherboard just gonna game and web browsing what y'all think I should get? 🤔

[light wyvern]

Tomahawk Max

[nocturne geode]

anyone know where I can get an H1 case from NZXT? been looking for one for a while and they're always out of stock

[crimson hedge]

appreciate it Duck

[crimson hedge]

why everything gotta be so expensive rn god damn

[lyric glade]

i hate duck

[scenic lance]

I hate MSI and NZXT

[crimson hedge]

I feel that

[light wyvern]

Heh

Why

@lyric glade

Oh yeah @crimson hedge I can help if it’s out of stop

[scenic lance]

Cause, they like chicken more

[light wyvern]

Stock*

😞

Chicken is smack

[crimson hedge]

Nah they're in stock

[light wyvern]

Ok cool

[crimson hedge]

They're just like money

[light wyvern]

Yeah it’s the generic thing I recommend

You can get bit cheaper board if u want

Like 105 or 110

The aourus b450 elite is in stock I believe

[crimson hedge]

I mean it was what I was thinking about tbh already just wanted a second opionon

[light wyvern]

Yeah I would just go with that tbh

No problem I’ll tho

[crimson hedge]

Oh shoooot

I'ma go for that one because a bro kinda tight on money 😂

[scenic lance]

Gigas CS is really good too

[crimson hedge]

I appreciate it y'all

[lyric glade]

@light wyvern omg i didnt realize he was talking about you i thought he just said he loves ducks in general

so i said

i hate duck

[light wyvern]

😂

I haven’t had it so I don’t know lol I named myself after a stuffed duck in my room

[teal creek]

For a 2070s gpu and a Ryzen 7 3700x cpu what kind of psu is recommended?

Or would you need more to figure out?

[slim venture]

uhhh

550-650 rangeee

@teal creek

[teal creek]

If I got like a 1000 watt psu that wouldn’t mess anything g up right. Would definitely be overkill just wondering.

[slim venture]

getting a big psu for no reason doesnt necessarily hurt anything but it makes it less efficient

like by a lot

[teal creek]

Thanks!

[pliant oyster]

Thats not always true

[slim venture]

^^

[pliant oyster]

Idle not pulling much, full load will pull 900w

[slim venture]

just make sure its a nice one

not a cheap one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFx26E_DBUY

@teal creek

[teal creek]

🙏🏻

[pliant oyster]

I mean yeah if you only need 500w makes no sense to get a 1000. Since mine spikes > 900 I wanted headroom so went 1200 but at idle it doesn't draw very much power and still stays > 90% efficient.

[teal creek]

So if the parts need to draw more power than the psusays it supply’s what happens?

Is it obvious?

[tacit wren]

PSU should shut off

But can explode / catch fire

[teal creek]

Guessing it gets hot before that happens

[tacit wren]

https://youtu.be/hLWFJ91gKSo?t=197

[teal creek]

Is there a program or something like that to see how much power your computer is drawing? To see if you would need a higher power supply.

[tacit wren]

https://www.newegg.com/p3-international-p4400-1-outlets/p/N82E16882715001 for measuring power at the wall

Some PSUs have software monitoring.

[pliant oyster]

The wall will be the most truthful. Corsair iCue can show it for some corsair psu's if you hook their usb to the motherboard.

[tacit wren]

Current clamp on the 12v cables is best 🙂

https://i.imgur.com/s6vdg4n.jpg

[main breach]

anyone have news on the 011 dynamic mini that was showed off at CES?

[surreal magnet]

lol i want that case too

but no

havent heared anything

[scenic lance]

what size psu is recommended for overclocking when using a 10900k and a 2080 ti?

[elfin trout]

I'd go at least 850w to be safe lol

Maybe even more

~500w 2080ti OC powerdraw, ~300w 10900k OC power draw, plus the usual 70w for rest of system...

[harsh oracle]

I’d say go ahead and go with a 1000w psu just to have some headroom

[elfin trout]

Yea

And those are actual tested numbers, 2080ti can draw 500w+ OC without modding, 10900k can draw 300w+ without modding

[scenic lance]

ok, thanks for the advice

[tacit wren]

2080 ti's draw up to 400 ish watts, depends on the card. FE is 320w, Strix is 320-360 I think, FTW3 is 373, MSI trio is 405

But that's averaged - peaks will be higher,

[elfin trout]

That's on default power limit tho

[tacit wren]

??

[elfin trout]

Idek now

[tacit wren]

The kingpin is one of the only cards with more, 520w if you max out the PL slider

[elfin trout]

It's possible I just saw the kinpin number a while back

[tacit wren]

https://i.imgur.com/AP42kCC.gifv

[elfin trout]

Oh interesting

[tacit wren]

Gif is a ftw3, picture is a kingpin

[elfin trout]

And on 10900k, iirc GN measured 300w at 5.1ghz with 1.3(?)v

[tacit wren]

TL;DR - I'd get a 1000w psu tbh for a 2080 ti 10900k - only because that's like a $200-250 psu for nearly $2000 in hardware

[scenic lance]

kk, thanks guys

[lofty pewter]

Don't get a cheap 1000w tho

[scenic lance]

Nothing like 1000w of instability, what could possibly go wrong.

[tacit wren]

Get a 1600 T2 for a dell

[brittle bobcat]

i got this ASUS PRIME B450M-A/CSM AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard what would the best pcu be

sorry ment psu

[eager monolith]

What GPU and CPU

[vital wing]

PLZ HELP

MY COMPUTER IS GOING TO BLUE SCREEN

LIKE 5 TIMES A DAY

IS IT BECAUSE I HAVE A 3.0 GRAPHICS CARD AND A 2.0 MOTHERBOARD

?????

[scenic lance]

Stop with the caps please

[vital wing]

Well then help

[teal creek]

So I don’t really under the psu connectors. For my 2070 super it needs a 6 pin and an 8 pin PCIe cord. Does this have that?

[lofty pewter]

@teal creek PCIe 6+2 pin is a PCIe 8 pin. So you have four 8 pins that can be turned into 6 pins as well

So you're fine

Tho, is that a GQ? If you're buying that now it isn't the best deal tbh. Kinda meh

[teal creek]

Any good 660w psu recommendations? @lofty pewter

650*

[lofty pewter]

Want do you need 650w tho? 550w can do stock 3950x+2080Ti just fine tbh. Can get this anyways
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/R6vRsY/thermaltake-power-supply-pstpg0650dpcgusg

[teal creek]

Well I just looked and I could do 550w I guess. Ryzen 7 3700x and GeForce rtx 2070super 1 ssd, hdd.

I guess even 500 right?

[lofty pewter]

Could do 450w tbh if you really wanted to be cheap. But that'd be limiting for upgrading so I usually recommend 500w+

Esp considering that's a $1400 system or smth, so $100 to PSU isn't much

[wintry mortar]

Anyone know any good modular (semi or fully, either one) PSUs for a 2070 Super that's not far above $100? I've found a few decent ones but then I always see people saying to stay away from them

[soft gorge]

The RM750x is good

[scenic lance]

Anyone know of an invertable chassis that isn't the Dark Base and isn't halfway impossible to buy?

[teal creek]

Know where one isn’t out of stock lol?

[lofty pewter]

@wintry mortar Right now with stock that'd be Thermaltake DPS G Gold, the one I posted a few messages up

[errant veldt]

i need help with my case i don't know how to remove the front panel and clean the fans cuz i ordered it with the 3 fans in https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16811853066?Item=N82E16811853066 ( this is my case )

[eager monolith]

[desert flower]

im trying to find a psu since pcpartpicker says my mobo "has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector" "list/KCPR3t"

any recommendations for a 80+ gold?

[round pike]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KCPR3t
Here's the list for those of you that just want t link to click

@desert flower Will you be overclocking?

[desert flower]

thanks, it got autodeleted and i don't think so

[round pike]

You should be fine without it then

[desert flower]

i plan on gaming and revit modeling

oh ok

[round pike]

The extra connector is for the really high power CPUs and overclocking. You could find a PSU with it, but I wouldn't worry too much about it

[desert flower]

i honestly dont know what i'm looking for, it's my first build

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm750x-cp-9020179-na-750w/p/N82E16817139233

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-strix-rog-strix-650g-650w/p/N82E16817320004?Item=N82E16817320004

i found those two

[elfin trout]

RMx very good PSU

Strix ehm idk

[desert flower]

it has the extra 4-pin for the motherboard though?

[frank urchin]

@teal creek i recommend Seasonic psu's they are the best of the best.

[elfin trout]

Well...

RMx are the same tier as Seasonic good PSUs

of course theres multi rail stuff

but thats where AXi and HXi shine

with seasonic equivelents

[teal creek]

What is multi rail. I’ve seen that some have it but don’t know what it is

[frank urchin]

i heard corsair and evga use seasonic psu and just slap their logo on top, besides buying straight from seasonic will give you 12 years warranty, cant beat that

[elfin trout]

well I'll have to check

but RMx and RM and CX and CXm all come from a Chinese company

Channel well technology

All the good Corsair PSUs are from CWT @frank urchin
The only Corsair PSUs that are Seasonic rebrands are : AX760/AX860 (some random old one I've never heard of, different from AXi), and HX650 (never heard of),

I'll check EVGA

Only EVGA PSUs from Seasonic is the Supernova GS PS line, again irrelevant today

[frank urchin]

yeah corsair and evga are not psu manufacturer like seasonic, they take the components from manufacturers and put their brand on top

its fine if you want gold certified psu, but if you want top of the line platinum certified, heck TITANIUM certified like the one i got with 12 year warranty, cant beat seasonic with that

by the way corsair's AX were platnium certifieds + japanese capacitors

the name of the game when it comes to psu is japanese capacitors, but most psu nowadays have that so..

[elfin trout]

..

Don't underestimate other manufacturers

[frank urchin]

@teal creek multi rail is a protection mechanism (a failsafe) useful for high wattage psu, i wouldnt worry too much about it. What I can recommend for you is get an excess of extra wattage, don't listen to what someone says about lowering your wattage, more is always better ESPECIALLY if you only plan to get gold certified psu. Most people have no understanding of psu and often overlook it, they think that if their computer requires 95 watts that its okay to get 100 watts, that's a big no no. you want 50% more of what your pc requries so its better to get like 150+ watts. If you want to know more about power efficiency here's an in-depth info on it https://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/what-is-psu-efficiency-and-why-is-it-important/ .

Also, another note to consider is when you get higher wattage psu, is you make your unit future-proof so when you decide to upgrade you graphics card and it requires more wattage then you dont have to get another psu. 😉

[soft gorge]

@desert flower I have the RM750x currently and I'm quite happy with it

I would recommend for sure

[elfin trout]

Multi rail is ... Protection?

@tacit wren correct me, but I'm pretty sure multi rail just means multiple 12v rails?

[frank urchin]

I could write an essay about what single rail and multi rail but he doesn't know so I told him in layman term in way a person who doesn't know in-depth would understand , but if you're interested more info about single rail vs multi rai and why it dont matter as much at https://www.overclock.net/forum/31-power-supplies/761202-single-rail-vs-multi-rail-explained.html

[elfin trout]

Also I think you're talking about efficiency curve, the efficiency difference from 80% to 90% is 1% at most

Well on decent PSUs at least

Ick I'll have to check up on that stuff again

Because I think there are single rail units that arnt group regulated

I'll wait for forky whenever possible

(With how I understand it, independent regulated PSU OVP/UVP on single rail units does the exact same job as the article described for the OCP on multi rail units)

[teal creek]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/485309/powerspec-750-watt-80-plus-gold-atx-fully-modular-power-supply

Good psu?

[frank urchin]

Without getting too technical, all it is- is the amperage going thru rails, if you have two identical psu and single rail have 100 amp max then the other one has four rail 25 amp times four, what happen is when amperage exceed the maximum rated for those rails (ie thunderstorm/lightning) the FAILSAFE inside the psu computer chip kicks in. Also the motherboard has their own failsafe that protects against over-current. Bottomline, single rail or multi rail have over current protections, it makes little difference which one you get.

[elfin trout]

The thing is tho, higher wattage PSUs have to be multi rail due to the amount of power it attempts to draw from the each 12v rail, ignoring protections, and that's what I think is a good description for multi rail as the protections really depend a lot more on the specific unit not just single or multi rail.

[desert flower]

real quick, i'm seeing that some of the corsair and cooler master psu's come with what looks like a 240v plug, is there a reason for that?

[surreal magnet]

most modern psus are rated for 100-240VAC, 50-60Hz input

but they usually dont come with a 220VAC plug

so those units might be 240v only

[desert flower]

so if it does say 100-240 and i use the 100, will i have issues?

[surreal magnet]

if you use 100-120VAC, it is designed to work

[desert flower]

technically a handicapped person is still functional though lol

i meant like would i have issues keeping my system running smoothly

[scenic lance]

ZALMAN Z11 Plus White Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case https://www.newegg.com/product/N82E16811235066
I almost added this to a pcpp list

[unborn narwhal]

any bitfenix or enermax back in stock anywhere yet? looking for revolution d.f or whisper m. 650w

i've checked all over. seems nothing ships immediately.

[lofty pewter]

@frank urchin focus on wattage? Why? For efficiency curve? For future proofing? Lol, a stock 3950x+2080Ti runs off a good 550w. Basic OCing? Well then 650w. You dont focus on wattage, you focus on quality. Efficiency curve isnt much of 2% difference from 50% load to 100% load either on the good PSUs. Also, Seasonic isnt super duper great. They have many issues. Such as FM/PX/FX/G(?) failing to be good at high transient loads and causing actual system instability with say, a Vega GPU, despite having more then enough wattage. Nor does Seasonic make the S12/M12 stuff, and is mostly group regulated except for like 2 PSUs in the lineup on their third gen series. So please, dont blanket coat your statement of Seasonic being amazing. Also note, Seasonic isnt the best of the best. They are sometimes good, but still not the best.

[dim nebula]

I need help. I need a 6-pin SATA power cable for my G750H so I can plug in my 2 new storage drives, but I'm scared of frying my GPU, as last time it did that when I bought one from Amazon. I tried contacting Gigabyte tech support and they didn't help me at all.

[tacit wren]

@tacit wren correct me, but I'm pretty sure multi rail just means multiple 12v rails?
yes

[eager monolith]

While y'all are on this subject, can someone explain to me what all these settings do:

[surreal magnet]

it looks like current control on a per port basis

specifically for the 12v rail

[eager monolith]

Ah

[surreal magnet]

its not very useful unless your trying to control what components get power from what 12v rail, but most psus only have one 12v rail anyway

[eager monolith]

So should I just use single OCP mode if I don't really know what I'm doing

[surreal magnet]

i mean, i would assume your psu has more than one 12v rail if thats an option

so you would want to control both

but, you have a 1200w psu. how many graphics cards do you have?

[eager monolith]

One. I got a good deal and figured it would leave plenty of room for expansion in the future

[surreal magnet]

so i wouldnt mess with your OCP settings

unless you wanna save power and over/underclock your gpu to use a specific amount of power

[eager monolith]

Alright. I don't care about that very much

[surreal magnet]

which would be kinda fun ig

yeah, this setting would be good if you had like 7 GTX 1080s, and you needed to run them all without running out of available power

[eager monolith]

Lol. Good to have I guess

[surreal magnet]

so you current limit them all so they can all run without drawing too much power

[eager monolith]

Yeah. I mean, I really don't need these settings, but I'd totally buy this PSU again. only $100

[lofty pewter]

It'll help for safety. If you know the that port #1 only takes 30A peak then you can set it to that. If it takes more then smth is probs wrong (miscalculation or actual issue) then it'll shut off

[frank urchin]

focus on wattage? Why? For efficiency curve? For future proofing? Lol, a stock 3950x+2080Ti runs off a good 550w
lol, complete pc build isnt just cpu and gpu, you have to add other components as well when factoring how much total wattage you need.

You dont focus on wattage, you focus on quality.
lol, wrong. actually you need a bit of both, First you need quality like atleast a gold certified if not platinum/titanium (which i emphasized on my recommendations if you were paying attention.) Second, wattage is important that's why 80 plus certification became the norm because it used to be- even though the psu is rated for 100 watts in reality its only outputting 70 watts at ~70 percent approximate power efficiency. So if your pc is power hungry and needs 90 watts, in reality its overworking psu with 20 watts difference. This is why the term "not enough juice" comes from when talking about psu not giving enough power/wattage.

failing to be good at high transient loads and causing actual system instability with say, a Vega GPU, despite having more then enough wattage
i mean its amd and you wonder why it has power problem, amd are known for its software shortcomings moreso than than hardware

Also, Seasonic isnt super duper great.
actually they are, base on my experience. Besides there used to be a website eggxpert.com and it has a section called "PSU Tiered List" and even newegg expert recommends seasonic as one of the best.

@lofty pewter Now, there's nothing wrong if you plan to get decent psu, that's fine and all. Depends on your budget that's the main factor.

[vocal tree]

[clear swallow]

seasonic used to be fantastic, but it sounds like their quality has dropped off over the years

my seasonic 500W lasted me over 10 years before finally crapping out last year

but when it did, it took my old AM3 board out with it

[eager monolith]

@frank urchin Not gonna get super involved here, but there are D-Tier Seasonic PSUs. Don't recommend the brand as a blank check, no company makes every item perfect and you should buy something for the product, not just the brand

[tacit wren]

Second, wattage is important that's why 80 plus certification became the norm because it used to be- even though the psu is rated for 100 watts in reality its only outputting 70 watts at ~70 percent approximate power efficiency.
That's not how that rating works lol

[lofty pewter]

lol, complete pc build isnt just cpu and gpu, you have to add other components as well when factoring how much total wattage you need.
I know, a 145w peak CPU with a 375w peak GPU with a system that takes 70w is like 590w peak. Easily within the 10% overload of what a good PSU can do sustained. Not even talking about the overload peak. That's like 560w sustained which is well within the 600w sustained a good 550w PSU can do.
lol, wrong. actually you need a bit of both, First you need quality like atleast a gold certified if not platinum/titanium (which i emphasized on my recommendations if you were paying attention.) Second, wattage is important that's why 80 plus certification became the norm because it used to be- even though the psu is rated for 100 watts in reality its only outputting 70 watts at ~70 percent approximate power efficiency. So if your pc is power hungry and needs 90 watts, in reality its overworking psu with 20 watts difference. This is why the term "not enough juice" comes from when talking about psu not giving enough power/wattage.
When did rating mean quality? I meant voltage regulation/ripple, included protections (and whether they work properly), transient response, capacitor quality, fan quality, noise (both from fan & coil whine), whether it's group regulated, whether it's multi rail, how good the solder quality is, what the failure rate is, and what the average failure of the PSU causes, etc
i mean its amd and you wonder why it has power problem, amd are known for its software shortcomings moreso than than hardware
A PSU problem doesnt mean you should blame AMD.
actually they are, base on my experience. Besides there used to be a website eggxpert.com and it has a section called "PSU Tiered List" and even newegg expert recommends seasonic as one of the best.
Go look at Wentai Aidan, Corsair AXi, BeQuiet Straight Power 11 Gold, Cooler Master V-Platinum 2019, etc. Quality is better last I checked

[frank urchin]

@eager monolith you're right every company makes cheap and decent psu

[teal creek]

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Fuente-Alimentación-Certificado-Bronce/dp/B01B72W0A2/ref=zg_mw_1161760_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=MMQ4N0WV7K6HRH9DZH3V

Thought on the psu?

[lofty pewter]

Alright PSU, has coil whine issues tho

[frank urchin]

@lofty pewter Saw wentan aidan 1616w rated for 5 yr warranty hard pass, saw others rated for 10 yr warranty so that's pretty good. I don't care what anyone says how good a psu is, if its warranty is 1 year breaks in less than 2, versus mediocare psu that last 3 years or more then I'll take the mediocare psu any day. Warranty is an insurance that says alot how good a psu TRUELLY is. When did rating mean quality? its rare to find high rated psu that has shiit quality, high end psu usually have high quality parts its common sense. I wouldnt worry too much about rails since companies put them AS REQUIRED depending on wattage, single rail on low watts multi rail on high watts, its that simple. Pretty much every psu out there uses japanese capacitors, its the norm nowadays i wouldn't worry to much about this either lol. Bad psu is bad psu nothing to do with component that's correct but if the other component say intel/nvidia is not having this issue, then i would reconsider that first assessment.

[thin silo]

can i get a tldr?

[lofty pewter]

@frank urchin Right, so base quality off warranty rather then doing a literal hardware deep dive and complete testing methodology. Should we do the same for CPUs, GPUs, mobos, RAM, drives, etc? Like "hmm these caps are garbage" or "hmm there are no heatsinks at all in a very compressed space". Also, lots and lots of PSUs can be found with a higher rating but is worse quality. A nice example would be Straight Power 11 Gold vs Straight Power 11 Plat. The Gold is a better PSU.

not to mention I see lots of PSUs use say smth like cheap Teapo caps, probs because I look into PSU reviews rather then warranty for determining quality

Like Thermaltake Smart series PSUs. Warranty is meh, but oh hey look at that it is basically an IED that kills your PC. Warranty doesnt save you there. Warranty doesnt give you the knowledge of how bad TT Smart is nor does it help replace your dead components

@tacit wren I also just noticed that the fork is bent, despite you posting that many times

[vocal tree]

[frank urchin]

@lofty pewter lawl, psu engineers are not STUPID, they aren't going to design a power supply with the intent of destroying your components, most likely its due to customer doing something that get to that point. You are correct about rare instance where high end doesn't mean better than the lower counterpart, we see this in gpu like 1080ti vs 2070.

[lofty pewter]

okay, then we should never worry about what PSU to buy then? Because the engineers arent dumb and therefore always make perfect PSUs?

[frank urchin]

that's why you do what you recommend read reviews, as well as what i recommend watch benchmarks like on youtube, no idiot would buy a psu blindly without doing a little homework, that we can agree on.

[vocal tree]

Isn't that exactly what an idiot would do

[lofty pewter]

I wouldnt use youtube for PSUs tho. More like Aris from TH, JonnyGuru, etc

Also for warranty, Seasonic FX has 10 years and as stated before fails to be good in high transient loads, to which Seasonic officially stated that it was literally their PSUs that had issues

Dont play an Asus and blame AMD for the other company's fault

any future GPU can have high transient loads

[scenic lance]

ASUS. Ugg

They disappointed me so much.

[lofty pewter]

Sometimes, despite Asus being the correct buy given a budget for a component, I still sometimes dont want to recommend it due to how annoying Asus is

just out of spite

[vocal tree]

😔

The H97 motherboards I was looking at for replacing my H81 that are actually reasonably priced are all ASUS

[tacit wren]

The asus tax for mobo's is worth it if you're going to spend a lot of time in bios for OC/tweaking. (IMO)

[scenic lance]

Same Hei. The way they handled a few things when I actually had an issue with something was far from acceptable for a company that is supposed to be top tier.

[vapid canopy]

does anyone know of a black case with a optical drive bay but has the whole modern look

[novel flax]

what- why do you want an optical drive?

@vapid canopy

[vapid canopy]

@novel flax bcs i have a optical drive but nowhere to put it, my previous case was about to take a crap the power button hardly worked so my dad got me a new one not knowing it didnt have the spot for one

[willow hollow]

i think the DIYPC cases have them

they're pretty cheap and look okay at best

but they do have the odd bay

[vapid canopy]

Could you link one for me

[vocal tree]

You can put it in a USB enclosure

[willow hollow]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353049?Item=N82E16811353049&Description=diypc&cm_re=diypc-_-11-353-049-_-Product&quicklink=true

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811353081?Item=N82E16811353081&Description=diypc&cm_re=diypc-_-11-353-081-_-Product

[frank urchin]

bcs i have a optical drive but nowhere to put it
how OFTEN do you use an optical drive? its better if you dont plug extra stuff on the pc, so it boots faster and eats less wattage

@vapid canopy when computer boots up it looks for all connected device, the less you have the faster it boots

[vapid canopy]

Your point

[frank urchin]

it will also generate heat cause those optical drive eats power, basically its pointless to have them if you dont use them too much.

[tacit wren]

But I wanna fill up all the slots

[eager monolith]

Best choice at this point is to get an external optical drive. Like very very few people use them anyway

[sharp fox]

what's good budget case, needs to support matx, tight budget below 50usd

[frank urchin]

@sharp fox my dude, ill do you one better how about less than $25

[minor portal]

RidzOneSix#1017 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[sharp fox]

lol i just need something decent, and if it has fans for some airflow

oof weggbot weird

can just dm or shorten link maybe

[frank urchin]

aluminum case for 22.50

[wintry mortar]

Anyone know if this is a trustable/good PSU?

[limpid bay]

Quick question about the rog case

Talking about the strix helios

How much does it cost?

[willow hollow]

toughpower is nice

[eager monolith]

@limpid bay
Retails at like $300 or so, but you can get them for $200

Very nice case for custom cooled loops with tons of RGB

As you can see, I have one

[fickle quarry]

looking for the best case for airflow
budget ~100
atx build

[vocal tree]

Core G21

Oos :(

[willow hollow]

an open bench

jk

[formal crystal]

what is a really good alternative to the nzxt h510? this is due to air flow and teh front intakes. i would appreciate an alternative that has the same quality, better airflow, and reasonable front panels for teh same price or cheaper. (ping me)

[elfin trout]

Phanteks P300a mesh when in stock

[slim venture]

td500 mesh gang

[lime fog]

^ what he said

[wintry mortar]

Is this a good psu? It's one of the only semi modular psus I can find that's not overpriced, besides the ThermalTake Toughpower GF1 but I haven't heard great reviews about ThermalTake

[soft gorge]

TD500 mesh gang @slim venture

[teal creek]

https://www.ebay.com/p/3038872061

Decent psu?

[static sigil]

So I recently had this build checked on buildapc

And one of the comments reccomended a different PSU

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2wcHMc

This list was built with help of some of you here

[lethal fractal]

what sfx psu for a i7 10700 gtx 1070 16gb of ram and 2 m.2 ssdswith gaming keyboard and mouse

of the boards a z490 itx

[golden kestrel]

Td500 mesh gang btw

Ik im a little late lol

[deep forum]

Anyone know how to make a PSU work in liquid it works outside of it but I think there’s a sensor

[scenic lance]

anyone ever use a Seasonic Focus GX-550 or any seasonic psu if so are they any good?

[unborn narwhal]

Anyone have that link with the PSU ratings again? I'm still looking for one

[golden kestrel]

[glacial needle]

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

[eager monolith]

Check pins in #building-and-recc-chat

[glacial needle]

psu tier list ltt

[unborn narwhal]

thank you

i clicked pins nothing loaded

[glacial needle]

just google that

[golden kestrel]

oh ya wrong channel

its in built chat

[eager monolith]

Someone should pin it in here too

[unborn narwhal]

ahh thanks

thanks for posting it

[golden kestrel]

ya

[unborn narwhal]

Googling BitFenix Whisper M 650 W or the enermax revolution df is irritating. i did auto notify on newegg app but its never notified me of anything ever lol

[unborn narwhal]

anyone have thoughts on Deepcool GamerStorm DQ-M 650 W?

[terse meteor]

I need a suggestion of a cabinet with that z73 360mm refrigeration

[nocturne tiger]

I'm starting to plan in a pc i want to get but I don't know what case I should get

[surreal magnet]

wait until 2 or 3 days before you plan to buy

but, for cases, theres many options

[nocturne tiger]

I'm thinking either the cougar gemini S, for which I found only 5 people with that case online and 1 actual review. Or the lian li lancool 2x

[surreal magnet]

so it just depends on whats important to you

size, weight, durability

RGB, airflow,

[nocturne tiger]

I have been planning on this build for a while now. I just haven't found alot about the gemini s but it looks amazing without a high pricetag

[surreal magnet]

motherboard support

i mean, its a box, it doesnt have to be super amazing

it just has to meet your needs

well, the only super amazing box is iambox

[nocturne tiger]

Yeah, but I just want it to look nice and function nice

[surreal magnet]

are you gonna have to move it around at all?

[nocturne tiger]

No

[surreal magnet]

will it be sitting on carpet, or on the floor in general?

or on a desk

[nocturne tiger]

Either the floor or desk

[surreal magnet]

in a desk

what would you prefer

[nocturne tiger]

The desk, but I don't know how much space I would have

But the floor is fine aswell

Doesn't matter to me

[surreal magnet]

if you want to keep it on the floor, youre gonna want something with decent dust filters

well, any dust filters really, some cases have none

[nocturne tiger]

I believe both the cases I looked at have dust filters on at least the intakes

[surreal magnet]

thats good

do you care about RGB lighting and windowed side panels?

[nocturne tiger]

Yes, but I'm okay with sacrificing it if I need to

[surreal magnet]

so, the case you get ultimately depends on what youre prioritizing in your build, and how much money you plan to spend on the build

picking a case now is fine, but it limits you in some ways

[nocturne tiger]

I already have planned out the rest of my build

[surreal magnet]

so then you begin thinking you have to fit the pc within the constraints of the case

[nocturne tiger]

It's just the case now

[surreal magnet]

so, I assume your buying sometime this week?

[nocturne tiger]

No, I planned on getting it sometime earlier but then quarentine happened.

I just like to have everything planned and work to that

[surreal magnet]

well, planning ahead with this sort of thing doesnt work out very well

you plan to spend a certain amount of money at some point in time, and thats all the planning you really need

ideally, you want to decide on the parts you actually purchase the day before at the earliest

[nocturne tiger]

Yeah, but it's a little easier in my head

[surreal magnet]

the main idea here is that you dont want to unintentionally limit yourself.

[nocturne tiger]

I tend to spend alot other things if I don't really have a price to save up for

Yeah, I guess that is true too

[surreal magnet]

if youre looking to get the best performance for your money, you want to wait until youre ready to buy, that is all

[nocturne tiger]

I guess that's true

[pulsar plaza]

is there a difference between the Corsair CV and CX series PSU?

or are they both good for a budget build

[placid steeple]

anyone know if the corsair rm750x is a good psu for around $135

[scenic lance]

Good

[wintry mortar]

@placid steeple the price isn't great but with the shortage of PSUs and the hike in prices it's not bad, the psu itself is great

[scenic lance]

Yeah, considering current issues, if you can get it, get it.

[eager monolith]

@pulsar plaza depends on the version. See https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1116640-psucultists-psu-tier-list/

[scenic lance]

That really needs to be pinned

[lofty pewter]

it is, just in #building-and-recc-chat

[scenic lance]

Ahh, well .. here too. lol

[unborn narwhal]

You guys see this Newegg email about the best of power supplies? Brands not recommended by anyone lol

[placid steeple]

bruh the rm750x is on back order this is so annoying

[wintry mortar]

Is it usual for most PSUs to have some bad reviews? I mean, literally every single psu I have looked at, even ones priced at $160, have reviews like "KILLED MY ENTIRE SYSTEM", "TERRIBLE NOISES", "STAY AWAY" etc., are these just a few unlucky people or do PSUs regularly fail? I just can't seem to find a good modular PSU that doesn't have someone claiming it will explode

[vocal tree]

Wait what isn't that already pinned

[placid steeple]

it’s pinned in #building-and-recc-chat

but i looked at that list beforehand and didn’t see the rmx series on there :/

that’s why i asked here

[wintry mortar]

Yeah a lot of the good ones on the tier list aren't in stock sadly, and the ones that are in stock aren't on the tier list

[sharp fox]

https://i.imgur.com/N5zlHV0.png

rmx 2015/2018

[round pike]

Finally! The PSU tier list is in the PSU pins :)
Good job fork! You get a 15% raise

[vocal tree]

Amazing

[golden kestrel]

That takes his monthly mod salary to $0.00

[vocal tree]

🎉

[willow hollow]

clap

[scenic lance]

Let's double his pay

0.00 x2

[zenith wolf]

Just got an NZXT H510. Would recommend this and other NZXT cases to anyone

[scenic lance]

I, would not, after spending 4 years dealing with failing electronics.

[elfin trout]

We generally don't like the h510 for airflow :p

[golden kestrel]

Td500 mesh better :D

[chrome iris]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/hec-HEC-450TC-3WX-450W-ATX12V-v2-2-80-PLUS-BRONZE-Certified-Active-PFC-Power-Sup-/303603801272?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
Thoughts on this?

I know HEC is a power supply manufacturer and this PSU is pretty cheap for a 450w but how does it scale up?

[eternal magnet]

450 doesn’t feel that enough when comes to higher end rigs

[unborn narwhal]

Enermax Revolution D.F. 750W 80+ Gold Full Modular Power Supply https://www.newegg.com/product/9SIAFH78XD5082 was looking at this one and the bitfenix. Think this is a solid choice for my ryzen 5 x570 with rx5700 card?

The Newegg site never notifies when using auto notify

[eager monolith]

A-tier at a cheap price, I'd say go for it

[unborn narwhal]

yeah for the hardware is suitable? i was going to go with 650 but for 10 bucks more and actually available

this is the shipping options for this PSU from Enermax lol

The model is ERF650AWT which makes me think this is an incorrect listing now that i ordered it lol

[chilly bridge]

Anyone know how this PSU is?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0009MWACK

It's cheap and modular and I personally can't see any red flags

[lofty pewter]

not really all that cheap

PSU is fine tho

[dusky wyvern]

Cooler Master MB520 RGB or Gamdias Talos P1?

[chrome iris]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/hec-HEC-450TC-3WX-450W-ATX12V-v2-2-80-PLUS-BRONZE-Certified-Active-PFC-Power-Sup-/303603801272?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292
Thoughts on this?
Asking again

I know HEC is a power supply manufacturer and this PSU is pretty cheap for a 450w but how does it scale up?

Just debating whether or not it’s worth getting for some of the more expensive PC builds

[flint laurel]

@chrome iris I looked at that one too but idk what to go with.

was looking at a EVGA 450W

[chrome iris]

Which evga 450w

The BR?

[flint laurel]

yea

[chrome iris]

I know that ones okay/decent but idk how it compares to this one

[flint laurel]

R3 1300X and a low end gpu maybe a GTX 1050 is what im looking for

[chrome iris]

You could even get a really cheap ~400w for a build like that

[willow hollow]

where tho :((

[chrome iris]

eBay

[willow hollow]

istg all the psus are overpriced even on the used market

[chrome iris]

You can buy new stuff on eBay

[flint laurel]

I dont want to get a garbage brand

[chrome iris]

Yeah idk where at this point

[willow hollow]

people selling thermaltake smart 430w for 70$

[chrome iris]

@flint laurel there are lots of good breads for cheap like Antec or something

I mean not necessarily good but decent enough

[flint laurel]

yea am looking for something that will last

[chrome iris]

Then CX450 I guess

I mean for a build like that the EVGA BR should last a while too

[flint laurel]

what would be a fair price do u think for one of those.

saw a BR 450W evga one for like $60ish

on newegg

[chrome iris]

Well the CX450 is better quality at about the same price so

[flint laurel]

ah

it was out of stock 😦

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-cv-series-cv550-cp-9020210-na-550w/p/N82E16817139250

guess im getting a 550W lmao

[chrome iris]

CV is about as good as BR iirc

CV450 should be cheaper

And 550w is far from needed in a build like that

[flint laurel]

the cv450 is about a $10 difference from the cv550

[chrome iris]

Then save $10

Even if you upgrade to a 1650 super or something 450w will be enough

[flint laurel]

I guess lmao yea ill get the 450W version

[chrome iris]

Good choice

[flint laurel]

and to test to make sure everything works before I buy a gpu im going to throw my RTX 2070 S in with it to make sure everything works lol

the 450W should be fine with it

[chrome iris]

Doesn’t 2070 s take more than 450w though o_0

[flint laurel]

it needs 215W

[chrome iris]

I mean I guess at idle it’ll be fine

[flint laurel]

my egpu psu is 460W

so it should be fine

and the r3 1300x doesnt draw much power

[chrome iris]

Aight then

[clear swallow]

i picked up an EVGA BR 450 for $50, brand new, from Central Computers. they're based near SF, but i think they can ship nationwide (i could be wrong) - @flint laurel - also don't know how much shipping would add compared to the price on the wegg

https://www.centralcomputer.com/evga-100-br-0450-k1-450-br-80-bronze-450w.html

[flint laurel]

I live in NC

I think imma go with Newegg

[flat eagle]

NC is the greatest

252 \o/

[flint laurel]

yeet

[lofty pewter]

@chrome iris laziness prevails so not fact checking, but I thought cv650 was BR equivalent. CV550 and lower is worse then the 650

BR is the same throughout all wattages

iirc

[chrome iris]

Ooooh yeah I remember that now

I remember seeing that one the tier list

Hold on let me check real quick

Yep you’re correct @lofty pewter. CV <=550 is worse than BR. I wasn’t remembering how high up on the tier list the BR was

[minor steeple]

Is this a chat where i can ask for help/advice?

For cases that is

[chrome iris]

Yep

You should probably chance your name btw this is a family friendly kinda server

*change

[minor steeple]

Alright well im looking for suggestions on atx cases preferably under $150 cad

Sure i can do that 🤷‍♂️

[chrome iris]

What kinda looks/airflow you looking for?

[minor steeple]

Hmm, well i would like good airflow ofc and a good looking case as well 🤔

I was thinking about corsair 275r airflow but its currently out of stock everywhere

[chrome iris]

What color(s) you looking for

[minor steeple]

Black is my preference