#cases-psu-and-cooling

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cyan lark
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Case fans are so easy to service, I've never understood why people get rid of them as soon as they start to hum.

tame fulcrum
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What do you use, ohsigmachi?
3-in-1 oil?

eager monolith
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There is a valid point that a faulty PSU can damage other components and cost a ton in a high end build. But it's not a big enough of a risk for me to spend $200 more on a new PSU

vocal tree
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get CX

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smol price new

elfin trout
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I've had bad experience with buying used, and warranty is wack so...
ebay is fine, they got good buyer's protection, but used in general is a risk.

cyan lark
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@tame fulcrum for case fans?

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@eager monolith you can get a faulty new PSU. And the manufacturer will probably make the damage claim process so hard you'll just give up.

eager monolith
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I'm aware that you can and, like I said, I see the risk. But the $300 I saved on my fully functional PSU is worth it to me 🙂

tame fulcrum
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@cyan lark yes. You mentioned case fans easy to service. What's your "quick and dirty" method?

cyan lark
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@tame fulcrum I pull the back sticker (some have an additional rubber boot/plug) use a pick to remove the little delrin (or some type of plastic) C-clip, slide the shaft out the front and then give a quick wipe with some alcohol pads (easier to do before corona) or a quick blast with QD electronic cleaner. Then apply some cheap molybdenum grease I got at harbor freight, reassemble.

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It's quite easy

tame fulcrum
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Ok. I've seen video of ppl just peeling the label and dropping 3-in-1 oil onto the shaft. But I'd imagine it'd eventually leak.

Ty for your summarized method. 👍

cyan lark
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@tame fulcrum I think that sounds like a bad idea. I doubt anyone shooting those vids has any idea what the original lubricant used in the fan bearing shell was, so there could for sure be some reactions that would at a minimum shorten the life of that type of "fix" and at worst cause the fan to seize.

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It's best to get as much of the old lube out as possible.

covert anchor
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is 80 plus gold certifyed necessary

flat eagle
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better than bronze

golden kestrel
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Better than white

vocal tree
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40= is good enough for me

golden kestrel
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Just make your own galaxy_brain

stuck grove
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I went with a Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze PSU for my build after a vendor screwed me over with my order. It is a Ryzen 7 3700x, RTX 2070 Super, and air cooled with 4 case fans with the Ryzen Prism cooler. PCPP puts my estimated wattage at 344W. Do you think that I will have any problems with this PSU? Should I cancel my order and wait it out for 650W to come in stock?

slim venture
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no i think that'll be enough imo

golden kestrel
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Wattage wise, that psu is fine. Only problem is that cxm psus tend to have coil whine

elfin trout
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(loud)

stuck grove
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Ah that should not be a problem for me as I tend to wear headphones anyways.

elfin trout
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It's not fan noise, its a different annoying sound, but still

stuck grove
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I asked around and decided to go with a Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+Gold instead.

scenic lance
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RiP

stuck grove
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Is that a bad choice? Reviews have stated that it's a rebrand of a reputable PSU.

scenic lance
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Eh, I'm might be being a bit wicked towards them. When they started out they were pretty poor. Apparently they've been improving, but I still see sudden failures a bit more often than I'd be comfortable with.

golden kestrel
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This would be a better choice imo

lofty pewter
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I'd take a CX650 over that

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PX has issues with high powered GPUs

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which kinda makes it "eh" for upgrades

golden kestrel
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Oh.
Well I saw it got restocked recently and had a high tier list rating

lofty pewter
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ye, may have cleaner power in some parts of it but I mean, kinda small changes for the trade off of making it incompatible with other parts

golden kestrel
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For sure

lofty pewter
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tho I do wonder if Seasonic sends a replacement for it if you do have issues

stuck grove
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looks like a better deal than the rosewill

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Is it worth going with that one over the Rosewill?

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I mean, it's the same price, but this is my first build, and I am not too familiar with brand reputations.

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Eh, I think I'll stick with the Rosewill. I save a little bit on delivery, and have to request a cancellation anyways.

quick laurel
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So i have a 700w smart thermaltake, its the newer model but no rgb, i guess people are saying its a no no but i wont be able to get a new PSU anytime soonz i havnt been able to use it yet, what should i do? Wait for my pc to catch fire and get a new one with the no money i have?

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I dont really know what to do, i still owe my step dad money for helping me get parts so i definitly wont be able to get a new PSU atleast until christmas, and im building the computer tomorrow, any thoughts?

median grove
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So i have a 700w smart thermaltake, its the newer model but no rgb, i guess people are saying its a no no but i wont be able to get a new PSU anytime soonz i havnt been able to use it yet, what should i do? Wait for my pc to catch fire and get a new one with the no money i have?
@Itz.SuperBoy#5446 People are saying that your PSU isn't trustworthy?

quick laurel
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I guess people say that it sometimes dies after a year and on the rare occasion can take some of your parts with it

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Ive seen reviews of people saying they've had it for 3 or more years, reviews of people saying its good, then reviews of people saying it dies after a year

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It has a 5 year warranty

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So if anything i can just get my money back and get a new one if it breaks?

median grove
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The question is, what is the proportion of people saying that the PSU failed them? That's what I go by the majority of the time. If it's barely any chunk of the population, then I generally believe it's reputable

quick laurel
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Its like 1/10

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Maybe less

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Idk

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Alot of people dont say it dies but alot of then say its trash

median grove
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If a PSU fails them, they're writing a review, 100%. People who have positive perceptions of the product typically write fewer reviews

quick laurel
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I just dont know if i should upgrade or not

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Or if im worries ovwr nothing

median grove
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Do you have a link to the product?

quick laurel
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Because i dont want to waste hours of work for it to destroy all of my parts

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Yeah hold on

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I bought it on sale btw for much cheaper

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I guess maybe i could run it for a week and if it doesnt run well, send it back

median grove
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You got it for way cheaper than $60 on sale?

quick laurel
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Maybe im just paranoid, because hei and mrrrr in this server told ke its not a very good psu

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Yeah, for like 40 bucks

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Which i thought was a steal

median grove
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Pretty damn good deal. Were those opinions based on personal experiences, or general reputation?

quick laurel
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Idk

median grove
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Someone is going to be much more adamant about something if they have an anecdote, whether it be positive or negative

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In all likelihood, it'll work fine. That risk of the PSU failing is minimal. If it's heightened, probably not by much

quick laurel
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Aight, ty

median grove
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I have no experience personally with that PSU, so I can't speak from experience. For the most part, I'm going off of reviews

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Np

quick laurel
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I was just a little worried, there were a decent amount of peoppe saying they were aware of reviews saying it dies in like a year

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If thats true ill probably have it replaced by then

median grove
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One 1-star review is saying that it doesn't really provide as much power as it claims

lofty pewter
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@median grove TT Smart seems to have a 9% chance to not only fail, but kill another component/catch fire

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plus is group regulated and is questionably missing protections

median grove
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Where did you see that info?

lofty pewter
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I looked through the reviews for failure chance/consequence. As for group regulation, someone else determined that based off internal pics. As for protections, little info on it but the small amount of info I did find had it missing protections

slim venture
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im gonna need a 4th fan for this right?

quick laurel
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I havnt been able to see anything like that

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Ive been searching failure rate

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And if it had a percent of fire like that you think it wouldnt be on shelfs

median grove
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Is there a particular site to visit which can actually indicate the perceived chance of failure for every PSU? Now I'm curious

quick laurel
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^

lofty pewter
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Comparing the failure chance/consequence to other PSUs like say CX, RM, G3, etc Smart seems to be slightly high percentage wise of just failing. But, the main issue is the amount of 1 star/egg reviews complaining about fires/dead components

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no there isnt, you just look and analyze the reviews yourself

median grove
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Someone should really create a site for that

quick laurel
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^

lofty pewter
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Well, that takes a lot of work for just one PSU. Let alone hundreds

slim venture
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i mean if ur getting paid

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why not

quick laurel
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So basically i should just wait for my pc to succumb to fire is what your saying peepoSadSip

lofty pewter
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Or smoke and a dead component

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but you should try to replace it at least within 6 months

stuck grove
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Is there no way you can return it?

lofty pewter
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RNG game should have a high chance of winning if staying in 6 months or less I'd guess

quick laurel
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I dont know

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I wont be able to get a new PSU

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I dont know what to do

median grove
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I dont know
@quick laurel When did you purchase it from Best Buy?

quick laurel
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Like a month ago, i havmt used it yet

median grove
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Probably returnable until the 31st then

quick laurel
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Let me look at my exact purchase date

stuck grove
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Speak to your stepdad about it if he isn't aware. I am sure that any reasonable parent wouldn't be willing to compromise safety of their kids over a $100.

quick laurel
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I got it 4/1/2020

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Actually what my stepdad would do is"you shouldve researched more"

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Rip

median grove
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Actually what my stepdad would do is"you shouldve researched more"
@quick laurel I really hope that would not be the response

quick laurel
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It probably would

median grove
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I got it 4/1/2020
@quick laurel You should be able to click return on the item in your order history. It will tell you when the latest day you can return the item is. It doesn't force you to return the item though

stuck grove
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Then he isn't a reasonable parent... At least if he forces you to use the faulty PSU.

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But I would recommend trying before flaming your stepdad's character.

quick laurel
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Yeah i can return it before the 31

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Well hes done that type of stuff before

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Idk if ill have enough time to return it, ill try

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Im going back to kansas city tomorrow then im going on vacation

median grove
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You could probably return it to any Best Buy just by showing them your order history

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KC is bound to have multiple Best Buys

quick laurel
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Yeah, ill have to see if theyre open yet

median grove
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Curbside, they should be

quick laurel
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And it turns out in stupid and i actually paid full price for the psu, i thought i did buy it discounted but i think i may be thinking of something wlse

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So if anything, 62 bucks couls hopefully buy me a better PSU

median grove
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The PSU market is horrendous atm

quick laurel
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I wish i knew this psu was a ticking timebomb before i got it

median grove
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They're hard to come by rn

stuck grove
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Expect to pay more than $100 for an 80+ gold as per my research.

quick laurel
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Way above my budget

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Should i build the PC to test my hardware and then take the psu in or no

median grove
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Wouldn't you gradually make up for the initial purchase price if it's more energy efficient though? Less impact on the electric bill

quick laurel
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Because i want to find out if any of the hardware i bought from microcenter isnt working that doesnt have a warranty before im not able to return them

median grove
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Wouldn't you gradually make up for the initial purchase price if it's more energy efficient though? Less impact on the electric bill
I'm not stating that this is the case, I'm genuinely asking

tacit wren
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@soft swan Post here instead

median grove
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Because i want to find out if any of the hardware i bought from microcenter isnt working that doesnt have a warranty before im not able to return them
@quick laurel What hardware did you purchase from them?

soft swan
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I cant put any pics

median grove
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I cant put any pics
@soft swan You have to be high enough of a level to do so

tacit wren
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Post the link to the product instead, far easier.

quick laurel
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GTX 1660 Tuf x3 OC
Ryzen 5 2600x
Trident Z Skill 3200 16gb
Gigabyte b450m ds3h mobo

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I only put warranty on the mobo and gpu

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Idk why i didnt get it in the cpu

median grove
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^

lofty pewter
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@median grove The efficiency difference between a good bronze and okay gold isnt much. Wattage from the wall isnt going to be all that much and electricity isnt really that much money for a couple of watts more even over the course of some years in most places I'd guess

soft swan
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Which one?

tacit wren
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Links

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post links

median grove
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@median grove The efficiency difference between a good bronze and okay gold isnt much. Wattage from the wall isnt going to be all that much and electricity isnt really that much money for a couple of watts more even over the course of some years in most places I'd guess
@lofty pewter What's your best estimate for how much one would save annually?

soft swan
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Okay

quick laurel
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I almost just want to keep the PSU and use it for around until like christmas and just get a new one

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But idk

lofty pewter
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Dont really know, but I'd assume it's a few cents for a kwh in most places

soft swan
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I cant share links from the newegg app

quick laurel
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Oof, idk

median grove
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That's much less than I was expecting

lofty pewter
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and wattage from wall differences would probs be about 50w difference if you have a mid ranged PC being pushed

stuck grove
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If you live somewhere cold, then the bronze does a better job at heating I'm guessing 😄

quick laurel
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@lofty pewter how long do you think it would be fine to keep the PSU? Like until christmas? Or is that also a no no

lofty pewter
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idk, it is kinda RNG based tbh

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do lots of power outages/surges happen in your area?

quick laurel
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No

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I have decent power from what you would expect living in Kansas City

median grove
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With 8 hours per day of usage, I'm seeing $11-12 saved annually for my setup, going from 80 Plus to 80 Plus Gold

soft swan
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Which one

quick laurel
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And i will also be using the PC quite alot

median grove
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I'll enter in your info

lofty pewter
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@median grove That's 8 hours of intense usage every day for 8 hours

soft swan
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Which psu?

median grove
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I pretty much have the computer on for longer each day. Eight hours was the default on this website

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Which psu?
@soft swan First one just went out of stock. Second one is the only one available between the two

lofty pewter
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over here in Canada it's like $0.11 CAD for one kwh. Divide by like 20 due to only using 50w rather then kw then that's $0.0055 CAD per hour. Or about $16.07 CAD per year. Cuz it's CAD and not USD prices are a bit higher

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for 8 hours of intense use every day

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idle usage the efficiency is pretty close to the same

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cuz at about 100w most PSUs efficiency is decently close to each other

median grove
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@quick laurel For your setup, I'm seeing $13-14 saved annually from Plus to Plus Gold with the same eight hours per day

quick laurel
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Yeah, thats basically how long ill use it too

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Except ill be gone for atleast a month a few times

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Because i barely go to my mons during school

lofty pewter
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Will you be gaming for all 8 hours?

soft swan
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Whats a good psu for an r5 3600 and rx 580 build?

lofty pewter
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because if it's like only 4 hours of gaming daily, that easily drops to like $7 - $8.5 annually

median grove
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Whats a good psu for an r5 3600 and rx 580 build?
@soft swan I'd say look for a 650

lofty pewter
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550w/650w

soft swan
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P650b?

median grove
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Can't really recommend a particular one

quick laurel
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Yes gaming

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I built my pc for gaming

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Im assuming 550w would be best for my build

median grove
lofty pewter
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oh wait now it works. Anyways yee, I'd usually say go for 550w but none are in stock I'd recommend

quick laurel
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What about 600w

lofty pewter
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what 600w PSU tho?

quick laurel
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Idk lmao

lofty pewter
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600w is fine, but no 600w PSU that is decent in quality, price, and is in stock is worth buying

median grove
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Probably good

lofty pewter
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B5 has no real info/reviews

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most of EVGAs midrange isnt really worth buying

median grove
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When I built my PC, I purchased a higher wattage than recommended, just to be on the safe side

quick laurel
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My psu currently is also way higher then i need

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And supposedly a fire hazard

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But is that 7% chance of failure the percent in general or is that just 7% over other PSUs

soft swan
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Are all psus just out of stock?

lofty pewter
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It's like 9% failure rate for Smart and most seem to be catastrophic. Others seem to be like 6% but pretty small, DOA and mostly has the PC be safe

quick laurel
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Hm

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This seriously sucks dude

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Im still going to build it and use it for a day just to test my hardware but i guess ill have to get rid of it

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I really wish i knew this

median grove
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Are all psus just out of stock?
@soft swan Poof

vague hatch
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so, i asked this question before but at the time it was unsure if i would be able to make a purchase. Now that I have some spare cash (not a whole lot, but enough, i hope), I was wondering if anyone knew any good PC cases. The one I have is not in the best shape and has not aged well.
One that i found (al though I'm not sure if it's good or not) is this Cougar MX330-G
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811553033?Item=N82E16811553033

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good buy or is there anything better for a reasonable increase in price?

vocal tree
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looks pretty decent

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there's a subset of Thermaltake cases that I like

vague hatch
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also thanks for the recommendations MrManiac

vocal tree
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the ones I fancy

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they're all basically the same style

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no fancy, but looks like tall building

quick laurel
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I like the g21

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I use an antec p6, nothing special

vague hatch
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again, thanks for recommendation. Its late here, so I wont be making any decisions until tomorrow.

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also to note, I have an atx motherboard, so unfortunately that micro atx case will not work

vocal tree
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Core G21 and G3 are still up ;)

quick laurel
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Ik, im just stupid and was saying what my case is

soft swan
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Is this gpod for a ryzen 5 and rx 580 build?

elfin trout
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cxm is meh

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lots of them got coil whine

scenic lance
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I wanna build a pc but don’t know the first thing about PCs any help

slim venture
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whats ur budget

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@scenic lance

scenic lance
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1500

lime fog
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@slim venture

dire stump
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hey people

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i'm desperately looking for a new PSU off of PCP but everything seems to be out of stock, on backorder from newegg or other websites, or being gouged by third parties on Amazon

mystic sleet
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what budget

dire stump
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my current system is estimated at 384 watts (r5-3600x, 1060 6gb, 32gb ddr4 3200, 1 m.2, 1 sata ssd, 2 1tb sata hdd) and i've set my bare minimum for psu's to be about 550 watts

mystic sleet
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eh you could get away with 450 just ffine but okay

dire stump
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i'd say bare minimum 75 dollars

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i need to do some quick checking to see how much cash I got

mystic sleet
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eesh

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uh

elfin trout
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depends

mystic sleet
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nowadays about all you can get of quality for that price is a cx

minor portalBOT
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conmul#6438 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

mystic sleet
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bruh

elfin trout
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cx550 should be neat

mystic sleet
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as i just said

dire stump
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i'd say max of 200 dollars

mystic sleet
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for a psu?

dire stump
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yeah

mystic sleet
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well uh

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thats unnecessary

elfin trout
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I'd say 140$ max for a psu

mystic sleet
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depends

elfin trout
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unless you're going multi GPU or HEDT

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RM750x is all you need

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for a long time

dire stump
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im going a bit overboard on price just cause things are being gouged right now

mystic sleet
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yeah rmx, whisper m, revolution df, something like that would be quite nice

dire stump
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yeah like that RM750x is listed at 350 on scAmazon

mystic sleet
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what currency

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forgot to ask

dire stump
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usd

mystic sleet
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well then dont use amazon

elfin trout
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oh corsair is oos

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it should be 135$

dire stump
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im looking at amazon, newegg, etc

mystic sleet
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when white rmx is actually normal price

slim venture
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What's good @lime fog

mystic sleet
dire stump
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wait

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I think I found the corsair rm750

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It appears to be in stock at my local best buy yet when I walked in there they had NOTHING

elfin trout
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lol

dire stump
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like

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they had a few of the scraps

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some r3's, r7's, some intel garbage, almost no storage or RAM, barely any peripherals

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it took them going into the warehouse to find a copy of Windows 10

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anyways I got my psu ordered and it's ready for pickup may 30th

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thanks for the help @mystic sleet @elfin trout

unique flare
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my current case is a NZXT Phantom 410, I like the case and the side glass window.. however I feel that its not cable management friendly.. any recommendations on a good case friendly on cable management, and can show off my RBG?

golden kestrel
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Td500 mesh

elfin trout
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^ whenever it's back in stock for 100$

vague hatch
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Alright, back again, I am sorry

slim venture
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yessir td500 mesh gang love_it

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u gonna have to get a 4th fan tho @unique flare

elfin trout
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Not really you don't have to

slim venture
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op

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i ust needed that back one i thought so i ordered it

elfin trout
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It's def good to have

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But not required

slim venture
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its like an exhaust

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any fan will do really

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even an old one

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but i didnt want my case to look whack so i got an argb one

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for like $2.15 feelsboxman

vague hatch
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So, a friend's pc died. The graphics died, but we're pretty sure the PSU was the culprit. Any recommendations for a new psu?

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Note: was gonna get the cx550, but they're out of stock

slim venture
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a seasonic onme

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**one

vague hatch
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Maybe one that isn't more than 100?

slim venture
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op

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no clue

vague hatch
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I know it's asking alot

slim venture
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nah i can look rq

vague hatch
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But he's a bit tight on his budget

slim venture
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i be zooomin

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okok

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so 550W??

vague hatch
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That should be more than enough

lofty pewter
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B5 has no real info on it so cant recommend that. CXM has coil whine issues and you'd have to play the RMA game to get a quiet one

slim venture
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they were the only ones available on newegg at this moment in time

lime fog
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Why is there some people hating on the td 500 mesh on reddit?

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bruh

slim venture
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like everything else is sold out

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idk but they brazy

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also why'd u @ me earlier? @lime fog

lime fog
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idk

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i forgot already

elfin trout
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Shorten them down

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@slim venture delete "ref=" and onwards

stuck grove
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I have heard good things about Rosewill Capstone, so I ordered their Capstone 650 on Amazon for 129.99 yesterday.

elfin trout
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Um

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Lemme check tier list

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650w PSU that I have never heard of for 130$...

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And considering RMx 650w is usually 125$...

lime fog
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hmm

vague hatch
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already ordered a different thermal take. Thanks for the recommendations though

lime fog
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seem like overpriced

stuck grove
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A lot of things are overpriced right now.

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But the market is what it is.

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The Rosewill is Newegg's in-house brand. They have rebranded PSUs so it can be hit or miss, but the Capstone is based off of a Super Flower PSU, which is good from my research.

elfin trout
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looks only decent

stuck grove
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I am ordering parts for my first build, so I don't have previous experience with PSUs. Reviews and tests are all I'm going off of.

elfin trout
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That's what I'm going off of

lime fog
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Whats your part list?

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Lets talk about it in build chat

stuck grove
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@lime fog mine?

lime fog
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yeah

slim venture
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okok thanks

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yeah they're all overpriced imo

umbral raven
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I need a good full tower case any recommendations

slim venture
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no clue peepoSadSip

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i only buy mid

half meadow
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@vestal lynx are you serious lmao?

tacit wren
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Don't be stupid, delete your spam

half meadow
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no you need a new gaming chair lol

scenic lance
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Any good 600w psu?

vocal tree
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the new standard wattages are 450, 550, 650, etc

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vs 600 or 630

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I think

elfin trout
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the -30w are the oldest I think

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with the -00 being a few years back, with some today

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and the -50 being most recent

neon agate
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Hey, does somebody have a case suggestion, under $100 and fit my black and red theme, and be micro ATX, and have more then 3 fan positions.

chrome iris
#

Darkflash DLM21 mesh black

elfin trout
#

Focus g mini >:D

chrome iris
#

My suggestion is all black though. No red

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@neon agate

neon agate
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ok

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i have some spare RGB strips so i could tint it

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i love the front panel, Thank you

chrome iris
#

Or red LED fans

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Yeah no probakem

neon agate
#

i have those too

chrome iris
#

Problem

neon agate
#

what

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i currently have a collermaster masterbox lite 3.1 acrylic

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and i made a custom PSU shroud out of acrylic

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and put an Aex logo out of wood

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Apex

golden kestrel
#

For the case suggestion I say mb311L btw

hexed dew
#

guys is it worth paying 40 bucks for extension cables if i have somewhat decent cable management and black psu cables?

elfin trout
#

if looks are worth paying 40 bucks for you, do it, if it isn't, dont.

scenic lance
#

why are power supplies all out of stock

#

while every other component is perfectly fine?

eager monolith
#

Not every other component is "perfectly fine"
Mobos are going for twice retail used on eBay

scenic lance
#

hm.

elfin trout
#

Nothing is fine in terms of stock lmfao

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everything is bad

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GPUs are alright

#

but still bad

tacit wren
tacit wren
elfin trout
#

huh

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Forks can you give a why?

glacial needle
#

i mean the 719 is cool lookin but iuno the R6 im not a big fan of

sharp fox
#

why do you need a why

#

it's demonmit

tacit wren
#

It is what it is, it's his opinion.

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That said, I thought it carried enough weight to deserve sharing.

elfin trout
#

like is this look wise, portability wise, airflow wise, ..?

tacit wren
#

All of the above

elfin trout
#

kk.

balmy badge
#

R6 is more "portable"

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719 has a lot more watercooling options

#

R6 just... easy to get clean cut for watercooling, and is insanely customizable

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for many, many different usecases

#

awesome for servers

#

large NAS setups

#

watercooling

#

high airflow focused builds

#

same with the 719

#

719 is just... big

#

lol

elfin trout
#

big boi

balmy badge
#

this is my Define R6 build

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420mm top, 280mm front

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runs a 7980xe at 5ghz all core

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lol

elfin trout
#

nice custom vinyl wrap lol

#

thats a lot on top...

tacit wren
#

Is that one of the 4 1080 ti aorus waterforce cards you bought lol

elfin trout
#

what fans are you using?

balmy badge
#

no, its a normal aorus xtreme that i put a bykski block on

tacit wren
#

Also, zmt I assume?

balmy badge
#

yep

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all 4 of the waterforces were brand new

#

so

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worth more unopened

elfin trout
#

looks like the rad is corsair?

balmy badge
#

yep

#

im using Noctua NF-A14 Industrial IPPC 3000RPM's

elfin trout
#

ah okay

#

loud blowy things or are you running them at low rpm

balmy badge
#

they run at 800-900 RPM daily

#

benchmarking i'll run them at 3000RPM

elfin trout
#

Of course!

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the louder the cooler >:D

balmy badge
#

7980xe at 5ghz puts out an ungodly amount of heat

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pulls 800W+

#

lol

#

hence why its delided, liquid metal, with a custom copper IHS

#

should do direct die

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but im lazy

elfin trout
#

how does direct die work, iirc just no IHS?

balmy badge
#

yep, putting the waterblock directly on the CPU die

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no IHS

elfin trout
#

damn

#

can't you crush the die?

balmy badge
#

yes

#

i have almost all the stuff to do it

#

just... my block mounts are too tall

#

and i havent bothered to look for the right mounting hardware i need to get it close enough

#

probably would want to upgrade my CPU block too

#

i have the 2nd best block

#

not the best

#

lol

elfin trout
#

I saw some more custom mounting hardware for cpu blocks a bit back, but it might've been for am4

#

for like small adjustments

meager spoke
#

this might be a dumb question but can a psu bottleneck your other components?

vocal talon
#

if the pc was drawing too much power it'd just turn off

balmy badge
#

uh... depends on the PSU

meager spoke
#

aight okay thanks, just making sure even though i havent had any problems, my psu is fine.

elfin trout
#

(I mean theres bad PSUs that are missing those protections...)

vocal talon
#

turning off is the best case scenario

elfin trout
#

but no issues if there's adequate protection and wattage.

balmy badge
#

but yeah, as long as you're not buying poor quality units or pushing them beyond their max rated wattage, you really shouldnt ever have a problem

meager spoke
#

i havent, just making sure the psu that came with my ibuypower pc is fine, even though ive been using it for a year without any problems

crimson galleon
#

Heyyyy, I need some input please

#

I am torn on either a white or black airflow 220t :/

#

I don't know which to do with

surreal magnet
#

White builds r cool

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Depends on mobo and GPU color

crimson galleon
#

I am not sure if I wanna go white or black :/

crimson galleon
#

What's your goal with it?

median grove
#

My dad is looking to build a PC for work at home

#

He assisted me in my build, and he now realizes that it really isn't as treacherous as he initially thought

crimson galleon
#

Ah, I see

#

So, is your goals airflow, size, looks?

slim venture
#

i dont think that case has very much airflow

crimson galleon
#

Ywah

#

*yeah

#

That's what I was thinking

#

Seems a bit pricy for that case

median grove
#

Any recommendations then? Any reliable ATX mid-tower will do. He doesn't really care about aesthetic

elfin trout
#

@median grove focus G if you can find it at ~60$

crimson galleon
#

I don't know many case reccomenations, I just know that case isn't a good buy

elfin trout
#

Coolermaster TD500 mesh if it's still at 100$

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Meshify C at 100$

median grove
#

My PC actually is the Meshify C lol

crimson galleon
#

I personally hate the look of the meshify, so it's all up to you and your dad really

elfin trout
#

There's also other budget options like one of the couger cases at like 50$ but they're iffy, never fully looked into them, just look decent on paper

crimson galleon
#

I love the airflow 220t

median grove
crimson galleon
#

That's my baby

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I am going for either white or black

#

It's just a sexy, well designed case for cooling and stuff

median grove
#

As long as it's efficient and doesn't look stupid, it'll work for my dad

crimson galleon
#

May be a little overkill for him haha

median grove
#

The PC is gonna be relatively powerful. He wants to be zooming

crimson galleon
#

yeets a 3990x

median grove
#

My dad ^

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It's a 3800x

crimson galleon
#

That's pretty good ^^

median grove
#

I actually just spoke to him, and he said he didn't really have any concerns, so nothing's gonna change

crimson galleon
#

Ok, people aren't answering me anywhere else... Why are the new ryzen chip results up?

elfin trout
#

Dunno

crimson galleon
#

They show the new ryzen beating Intel's i9's

tame fulcrum
#

Linus Torvalds just installed an AMD Threadripper on his personal PC... first AMD build in like 12 years for him.

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Oops, forgot which channel this was.

gentle inlet
#

i back ordered this on bhp on the 20th when they were $50 more on amazon. it's been a week and they only just did a drop ship order. should i cancel and go with amazon that has delivery by monday or should i wait?

tame fulcrum
#

F#!@ amazon.

#

$50 difference is 100% markup.

gentle inlet
#

Past tense was is now msrp

autumn night
#

yo

chrome iris
#

yo

vocal tree
#

is what I'd choose

chrome iris
#

Yeah that's pretty good for a 1650 super

#

Not a lot of upgrade potential though

autumn night
#

hm

vocal tree
#

tru

#

not always completely necessary to be upgradeable

autumn night
#

im willing to spend a little more than that tho

#

yea

chrome iris
#

That's really all you need

#

That's the entire package

autumn night
#

alright well its settled then lmao

vocal tree
#

I intend on upgrading my system to the 1650 Super and the CX 450, and then building anew after that

autumn night
#

Also I wanted to know if the NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case was good

chrome iris
#

Unless you wanted a higher wattage if you're planning on upgrading in the next 4 years or so

#

That case looks very clean, but has restricted airflow

autumn night
#

i just chose the first one i saw

#

do u guys have any reccomendations for cases?

chrome iris
#

at around $70?

#

Lemme look

#

Do you have a micro ATX or ATX motherboard @autumn night

autumn night
#

uhhh

autumn night
#

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard this one

chrome iris
#

ok ATX

vocal tree
#

if you like that monolithic block style

autumn night
#

ill take a look at all of em

#

which one would u reccomend? i think i like the cougar

#

and zalman

chrome iris
#

Cougar seems to be a little better

#

I think Zalman has some wack cable management

#

You are going to need to buy fans for them though, remember that

autumn night
#

buy fans for the cougar?

chrome iris
#

At least 1 for intake becuase I think the cougar already has an exhaust fan

vocal tree
#

Core G21 comes with one fan ;)

chrome iris
#

It's also more expensive

vocal tree
#

ok ok it is 😔

autumn night
#

lol

#

are fans expensive?

autumn night
#

oh ok

chrome iris
#

I'd say get that Arctic one, then take the included fan and put it on the front, and the arctic fan on the back

#

But that's a little much work do whatever you want

autumn night
#

ok

chrome iris
#

(:

sacred mirage
#

SkyTech Azure - Gaming Computer PC Desktop – Ryzen 5 1600 6-Core 3.2 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 6GB, 500G NVMe PCIe SSD, 16GB DDR4, AC WiFi, Windows 10 Home 64-bit (16GB Version), reference link amazon[dot] com/dp/B07NV1YJK9/ref=dp_cerb_2?th=1 and I would like to upgrade the processor probably to a rysen 7 o rysen 9 but idk which to buy since there are so many, I found the MoBo to be model ASRock A320M-HDV asrock[dot]com/MB/AMD/A320M-HDV/index.asp#Specification

chrome iris
#

Then it looks like you can only have a 65w TDP processor

#

I'd just stick with the Ryzen 1600. It's still good

#

And the RTX 2060 versions are out of stock

elfin trout
#

@chrome iris pretty sure it'll be 1600ae not 1600af so if you could get a 3300x/3600 that'd be good

#

3600 has a tdp of 65w

chrome iris
#

Well I mean I know it's a 1600ae

#

Yeah

elfin trout
#

which means its pretty bad in the iPC department compared to 3rd gen

autumn night
#

I need some help

#

how does wifi and audio work on PC stuff

elfin trout
#

@chrome iris also looks like you can flash the bios to support 3rd gen

autumn night
#

im currently using a laptop rn

elfin trout
#

wdym Pluto

autumn night
#

like do I need speakers for my pc? and can I just automaticcaly connect to my wifi?

elfin trout
#

Audio on a laptop is 99% of the time from the sound chip on the motherboard

#

Oh for a desktop?

autumn night
#

yea

elfin trout
#

You either need speakers of just headphones

#

for sound

autumn night
#

ok

elfin trout
#

some (I'd say 5% of ) monitors have small like 3 watt speakers built in

autumn night
#

oh alright

#

and what about wifi?

#

does that work the same

elfin trout
#

You either need a motherboard with a wifi card in it, or you'll need a dedicated wifi card

autumn night
#

how do i know if my motherboard has a wifi card or not?

elfin trout
#

It usually says

#

Motherboards with wifi is more expensive than without

autumn night
#

should i just buy a wifi card or get a dif motherboard

elfin trout
#

Do you have ethernet that can reach your PC?

#

because you could just use ethernet too

vocal tree
#

If you can connect via Ethernet straight to your modem, you don't even need WiFi

autumn night
#

uhhh

#

i dont have an ethernet

#

atleast i dont think i do

elfin trout
#

how close is your PC to your router

autumn night
#

not too far

elfin trout
#

like across the house or in the same room

autumn night
#

like 20ft maybe

#

i live in a very small house

vocal tree
#

Ethernet cables should be pretty cheap

elfin trout
#

eh 20ft might make it not worth bothering with

autumn night
#

but my problem is how would i hide the ethernet cable so nobody trips over it

elfin trout
#

yea

#

that's why it's usually not worth bothering with if you don't have the router next to you or can drill a hole in the wall

#

@autumn night what motherboard do you have?

autumn night
#

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard

elfin trout
#

lemme check if aorus pro wifi is in stock

#

I would love to reccomend you get this board instead but it's out of stock :(

#

I'll just go look for a wireless adapter

autumn night
#

do u think it would be instock in like 2 weeks?

elfin trout
#

prob not

autumn night
#

oh rip

elfin trout
#

thats a great mobo

#

its been out of stock for a few weeks now

autumn night
#

i just need 1 more pay check and i was gonna buy everything

#

hmm

#

so is there any dif mobos u know about that have a built in wifi card

#

or should i just buy a wifi card

elfin trout
#

do you already have the tomahawk max or is it still shipping

autumn night
#

havent bought it yet

#

im just setting up my build rn

elfin trout
#

ohh

autumn night
#

yea

elfin trout
#

then can you send me a list?

autumn night
#

yessir

elfin trout
#

Aorus pro wifi is a better board overall than the tomahawk max for more M.2 slots and a better sound chip, I just dunno when its coming back in stock

autumn night
#

this is what i have done so far

elfin trout
#

uhh may I make some changes?

autumn night
#

yes

#

please do lol

elfin trout
#

overall budget?

autumn night
#

max 1.1k-1.2k

#

id like to keep under 1.2k tho

elfin trout
#

How long can you wait?

#

2 weeks?

autumn night
#

yea

#

cuz in 2 weeks i get my next pay check and thats when im gonna be ready to buy everything

elfin trout
#

alright so I'll temporarily put in an aorus pro wifi, but when the day comes in 2 weeks and it's not in stock, we'll get you a good motherboard and a good wifi card or some other compromise.

autumn night
#

ok

#

sounds good

elfin trout
#

Prices, especially the PSU prices, are very very VERY volatile, and can change every few hours lol

#

so when you're ready to buy, come back, and we'll make changes that fits the situation at the time

autumn night
#

ok

#

@elfin trout it says it has a compatability warning tho

elfin trout
#

In this case, you can ignore it, it's a redundant warning on all b450 boards, but as you can see from manufacturer's page, it's compatible.

scenic lance
#

the cx650m is like 95 rn also btw

#

at bb

autumn night
#

alright well ill keep this build then

elfin trout
#

CXm has coil whine issues

scenic lance
#

o

elfin trout
#

so unless you want to play the RMA game

#

don't buy it

scenic lance
#

well i already have one 😕

#

ive had it for a while, havent heard anything

autumn night
#

Mr1111

golden kestrel
#

Not all models have it so you may of gotten lucky @scenic lance

scenic lance
#

oh cool

elfin trout
#

Yea

autumn night
#

i sent u a friend request so when that time comes when im ready to buy ill contaact u

elfin trout
#

Most do

#

alright

autumn night
#

thanks for ur help tho i aprreciate it alot

elfin trout
#

You're welcome

worthy crescent
#

What psu should I buy ? I want 600-650W with Gold certification and good protections.

#

For now I've chosen the SEASONIC - FOCUS GX 650W - 80 Plus Gold but it costs 122€

proven jungle
#

@worthy crescent I have the 550w version of that psu and it works very well for me

worthy crescent
#

Okay and what's your build ? @proven jungle

elfin trout
#

I'll go take a look.

worthy crescent
#

Okay thx @elfin trout

elfin trout
worthy crescent
#

Ok i'll check that

proven jungle
#

z370-a ii, i5-8600k, gtx 1660, 2x8gb ram

#

@worthy crescent

worthy crescent
#

Okay I just ordered a ryzen 7 3700x and the asus tuf plus gaming b450 and i'm going to order some 16gb ram from ballistix (crucial). This is my first build and I'm stressed even if I know what i'm doing

elfin trout
#

It's going to be alright

#

It doesn't have many regional sellers, but it does a decent job telling price and compatibility

worthy crescent
elfin trout
#

@worthy crescent I mean use the website to check prices and avaliability (Only a few sellers but still) but it still can be useful for estimating prices parts should be, for example: this should be around 135 euros.

small owl
#

Does anyone recommend a good case with really good fans and good airflow management?

#

I plan to do future upgrades in October if that matters as well. And I currently have a rtx 2070, ryzen 7 1700 (will be upgrading to 4th gen in October) my power supply is a 600watt, I have 16gb ram. (Will upgrade to 3600mhz in October) and I have Asus b350mother board (will also be upgrading in October)

elfin trout
#

TD500 mesh :P

small owl
#

I like that a lot actually. And it comes in white

golden kestrel
#

I have it rn. Awesome case

small owl
#

Okay good to know. I think ima look into getting that soon

slim venture
#

mines coming in soon

#

hehe

echo socket
#

so I've had this issue forever but never really cared to try to fix it. One of my front USB3 ports does not work. I am using a Meshify C case, and the internal blue USB connector is indeed connected to my mobo.

I can plug anything into one of the ports, and it will provide power as well as transfer data. However, the other port does not even provide power.

#

I've checked the port with a flashlight and nothing appears to be damaged in it.

#

I've also turned off Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power for all three USB Root Hubs that appear in devmgmt.

flat eagle
#

which mobo?

#

does it have more than one 3.0 header?

echo socket
#

Only one.

#

b250 PC MATE (MSI)

flat eagle
#

you could've just got a bad front panel

echo socket
#

MS-7A72

#

:/

flat eagle
#

you might can reach out to company and get replacement?

echo socket
#

Been over a year since I got this case, it's def out of warranty.

flat eagle
#

still..

#

worth a shot

echo socket
#

I also moved continents since.

#

I'll give it a shot.

flat eagle
#

I contacted NZXT for a side panel for my wifes case I bought of someone, had dmg to it, they sent out replacement no questions asked

echo socket
#

Did you pay for shipping?

flat eagle
#

and they don't even make the case anymore

#

nope

echo socket
#

hah noice

flat eagle
#

I just hit them up on twitter

#

and was like "whats a box gotta do to get a replacement panel?"

echo socket
#

Shipping to france these days is crazy expensive, so if they don't cover it I don't think it's worth it. But they might, so I'll give it a try.

flat eagle
#

oof yeah

#

VAT and crap?

echo socket
#

yep

flat eagle
echo socket
flat eagle
#

\o/

echo socket
#

They don't have an EU handle.

flat eagle
#

doh.

echo socket
#

I'll update if/when they reply.

#

honestly tho really like the case

#

I should buy some rgb components to take advantage of the tempered glass.

flat eagle
echo socket
#

The only thing making light in there are the EZ debug LEDs lol

flat eagle
#

lol

echo socket
#

What would be the cheapest way for me to add more debug LEDs (the colorful variety), that preferably I can control?

#

Maybe I'll write some software to sync them up to the current mic input or audio output.

flat eagle
#

debug leds? I have no idea.

echo socket
#

I meant normal LEDs. RGB stuff.

flat eagle
#

lol

#

phatek rgb strips are fairly priced

echo socket
#

Are they fairly shipped to France? 🤔

#

I'll take a look.

flat eagle
#

can get a kit with 2 strips for around 12-15 usd

#

I dunno

#

not sure how much function you want, can't do the cool stuff with rgb.

#

need a-rgb for that

echo socket
#

What is argb?

flat eagle
#

addressable rgb

echo socket
#

ah

#

Not alpha (transparent)RGB lol

flat eagle
#

5v 3-pin header

#

reg rgb 4-pin 12v

echo socket
#

Dunno if my mobo has that.

flat eagle
#

z270 pc matE?

#

think those were right before the rgb craze

echo socket
#

yeah..

#

So.. what do?

flat eagle
#

you say you write software?

#

rgb hub + arduino + your code = maybe?

echo socket
#

oh peck right

#

Can I power that from my PSU?

flat eagle
#

not sure

#

I think some arduino have usb power?

#

or maybe use a ras pie

echo socket
#

Can I power USB inside my case?

#

Without using up a USB slot.

sharp fox
#

maybe with a usb header on the mobo there are some adapters for internal usb

wise blade
#

Is the Anidees AI Crystal Cube any good?

soft gorge
#

I thought about trying to get the cooler master td500 mesh white, anyone recommend?

golden kestrel
#

I have it. Its a very good case

soft gorge
#

The mid size one?

golden kestrel
#

Uh ya, they only make one size

echo socket
soft gorge
#

Wasn't sure as I've never looked into cooler master before

#

I figured it seems like it has good airflow and seems good overall so I'm probably gonna try to get it

#

Either that or the enthoo pro m from phantek

golden kestrel
#

I recommend the td500 mesh

#

if you can find one in stock at least

soft gorge
#

There's supposedly one on amazon but I looked into the seller and apparently they're kinda iffy

#

Not to mention being marked up nearly $60

small owl
#

im going to be grabbing one myself as soon as theyre back in stock

soft gorge
#

I set newegg to notify me once they do

small owl
#

same here

#

try there website, they have a store locator that sells them near you

soft gorge
#

The store locator on their website is confusing to me 😦

fluid pine
#

“closest store: 90 miles”

theres one down the road

scenic lance
#

Oof

golden kestrel
#

Is the road 90 miles long?

soft gorge
#

And just that whole interface was a mess

worthy crescent
#

What are the specs of the mb511 fans ?

#

It's cuz I want to buy the case without fan and then add custom fans

willow hollow
#

Help

#

Is my psu about to explode

light wyvern
#

Is their a sound

#

@willow hollow

#

I can’t hear it If there is

willow hollow
#

Oh wait what

#

Theres really loud noise

#

From psu

lofty pewter
#

rattling is fine in terms of safety. Did the screeching also come from the PSU?

willow hollow
#

Yes

#

What is it?

silver dagger
#

it might be something brushing up against the fan

lofty pewter
#

Most likely the fan brushing up against something. Like the side of its cage, getting wobblily and hitting the underside of the support beams for the fan motor/fan itself, hitting the top of the PSU vent, getting unbalanced and messing with something inside the fan and its bearings, etc

wispy hawk
#

Feels bad after spending 2.3k on parts to wait on a back order psu. Rere

soft gorge
#

Rip, I still have a spare 600W psu

half meadow
#

@willow hollow kinda sound like mine lol except Corsair hasnt responded in a week and a half

worthy crescent
#

Are there similar models of the focus gx gold 650w but cheaper ?

ornate jay
#

Is the CV650 any good

leaden inlet
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so if pc part picker says the estimated wattage is 478W is a 850W psu good enough?

round pike
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Yup

vocal tree
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No you have to get a 10000 watt PSU

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Otherwise you won't be able to power it

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Joking aside, idk how PCP estimates wattage

round pike
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It just adds up the TDP from the components

vocal tree
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Hm

round pike
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There are some PSU calculators if you want a more accurate estimate

vocal tree
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Apparently you can do something like 3950X + 2080Ti on a 550 watt PSU, from what some of the techies have told me

round pike
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That's cutting it tight though

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It has to be a pretty good psu, plat or better

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And reduced voltages to the chips

vocal tree
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CX 550 apparently

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I think

vocal talon
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technically you can run it on less, but for 96.2% of systems a decent 650w psu should be fine https://youtu.be/wg6pz7YTxyA

When I recently bought a 450 Watt Power Supply for a mid-range build, I thought, "just how much power do we really need for most enthusiast Gaming PCs?" And well today we test out the two highest end gaming desktop components with a budget entry level Coolermaster MWE450, whic...

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vocal tree
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Watt the fface.?!

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I'm gonna get a CX 450 for my i7-4790, and a GTX 1650 Super

slim venture
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W

slim venture
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that thermaltake take one is less in terms of shipping

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they're basically the same psu

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well also that thermaltake has a higher efficiency rating than the evga

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so i'd prolly go with that @willow hollow

willow hollow
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Ok

elfin trout
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Wack
likely

coral thorn
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???

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know any fans that would work

slim venture
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You'd still need a fourth for exhaust unless you're running two intake

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Imo as long as they do the job but I would suggest you ask someone who's a little more informed on this kind of stuff Chef_Kiss

coral thorn
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ight

lavish perch
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best budget atx case that looks good

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?

slim venture
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Without fans?? @lavish perch

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Or with

lavish perch
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idc.

slim venture
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Better bang for your buck if you get one with fans imo

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Okok

lavish perch
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yah ik

slim venture
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Uhm what's ur budget?

lavish perch
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so ig yah

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whole budget would be $450-500

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so maybe 40-70

slim venture
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Okok

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I can look for you when I get back

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You have any other parts in mind?

lavish perch
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like that idk?

slim venture
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Like gpu and cpu

lavish perch
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i mean it would be nice to know a good budget cpu

slim venture
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That kinda stuff

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Ohh I gotchu

lavish perch
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ik everything else

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the rest is easy

slim venture
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You going amd or Intel?

lavish perch
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i lowkey wanna oc in the future

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amd

slim venture
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Okok

willow hollow
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Go for deepcool matrexx 55 or 50

inland pewter
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are there any 650w power supply in stock anywhere ?

slim venture
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lmao prolly not

inland pewter
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figured lol

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thanks

slim venture
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i mean you can try looking but i wouldnt say there's any good prices on any

inland pewter
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i think i’ll just back order one

slim venture
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good luck

coral thorn
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every case has as different case size right

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fan*

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@slim venture

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waittt nvm its in the specs haha im stupid

slim venture
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lmao u good

willow hollow
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bois i might have bought a used 600w rosewill 80+ white psu

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for 30$

slim venture
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W

willow hollow
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lets hope that it doesnt blow up in the middle of a game

slim venture
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while ur sleeping lmao

willow hollow
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oh no no

coral thorn
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BRUH

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yo in the description it says windows 10, will it come preinstalled with windows?

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or would i have to manually install it

slim venture
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i think the manual install

elfin trout
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no lol

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it can't have win10 on the motherboard lmfao

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how would that even work

coral thorn
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oh yea theres no storage yet

slim venture
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yeah i was like wut

coral thorn
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wtf why does it say win 10 then then

elfin trout
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they stick a 8gb usb stick with win10 in the back and ship it?

slim venture
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the os it supports

elfin trout
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lol

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@coral thorn it's amazon

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just ignore it

coral thorn
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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ight

slim venture
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would be nice lmao

elfin trout
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amazon sucks with descriptions

slim venture
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free windows

coral thorn
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you guys know any nice usbs

slim venture
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would be a game changer

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uhhh

coral thorn
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for windows

slim venture
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they all do the same thing

elfin trout
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any usb works lol

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its just a usb stick

coral thorn
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yea but i can't find one for like 10gb

elfin trout
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bruh

slim venture
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you trust keys?

coral thorn
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nvm found one

slim venture
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or you think they're sus?

coral thorn
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what keys?

slim venture
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@elfin trout

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like windows keys

coral thorn
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just buy one on cdkeys or sum

elfin trout
coral thorn
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I SAID I FOUND ONE ALREADY

elfin trout
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22$ 128gb usb stick

coral thorn
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thanks tho

elfin trout
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lol

coral thorn
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idk bout 22 for just windows

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im not gunna use it for anything else

elfin trout
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I think its just 12gb or so for windows

slim venture
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you trust keys tho

elfin trout
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yes

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eBay keys best

slim venture
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like the cheap ones?

elfin trout
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dont see why you shouldn't trust them, it's 3$ even if its a scam

vocal talon
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yuh

slim venture
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WWWW

elfin trout
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yea whatshisname got a 1$ pro key that works

vocal talon
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my $4 code worked perfectly fine

elfin trout
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Mine was 3$

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retail

slim venture
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WWW

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lets go

elfin trout
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used the key checker thing

slim venture
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fake windows

elfin trout
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whatever it was called

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retail key

vocal talon
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and if it didnt you can buy like 30 other keys for the retail price

elfin trout
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yea lol

slim venture
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nahh

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i aint got retail money

elfin trout
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my sucess rate so far has been 3/3

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so yea

slim venture
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W

elfin trout
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reccomend

slim venture
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thxthx

coral thorn
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why they sell it for so cheap doe

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

slim venture
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i mean

elfin trout
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salvaged

slim venture
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whats gonna happen

vocal talon
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some of them are companies selling excess codes

coral thorn
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im just gonna buy mine of g2a or sum

round pike
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....why are you buying an operating system?

slim venture
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ik i was ab to say

round pike
sharp fox
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lol

round pike
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Hey, you can't complain about free