#cases-psu-and-cooling

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bleak holly
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The massive aluminum open air one?

viscid patrol
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yeah

bleak holly
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I forget the name I wanted one lmao.

viscid patrol
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i dont remember the name either

bleak holly
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Issue was I have pets and my gosh the price was obnoxious.

viscid patrol
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i didnt really want one because i try to avoid open air cases so i dont need to do as much maintenance lmao

bleak holly
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$2k MSRP and even more realistically because it was out of stock and people scalped it.

tender rapids
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Alternatively, Jonsbo D31

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Alternatively to that alternative, Jonsbo Z20

serene siren
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I mentioned those

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Henlo

tender rapids
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You only mentioned D31

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😡

serene siren
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I said Z20's

tender rapids
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YOU ARE LYING

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Jk

serene siren
tender rapids
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Anyway yea, it depends on what you're willing to tolerate

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As you go smaller

serene siren
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Non-standard smol do be like that

tender rapids
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Meshroom S is a PITA to work in

tender rapids
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Or are hyper

bleak holly
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What are some unusual and unique cases as of late that are good for water or air cooling?

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Ideally not just another box.

acoustic goblet
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I really don’t care how it looks, as long as it fits my requirements, has good thermals, and no glass.

bleak holly
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The new Be Quiet Light Base 900 is interesting albeit a box but at least a unusual box.

acoustic goblet
bleak holly
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Oh it literally is a shoe lmfao.

acoustic goblet
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What did you think shoe meant

bleak holly
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Thought you were telling me to use my shoe as a PC case.

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For a raspberry pie of smth

acoustic goblet
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Can’t go wrong with shoe

bleak holly
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Maybe something a little more normal? I really like some cases like that Shark Case, TT Tower 900, TT Helicopter, Cougar Gemini X, Fractal Torrent (My current case), Fractal Design.

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I like more geometric cases that still serve function.

serene siren
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Z20 maybe?

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If you mean like unique but normal that's a really hard question

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I think only the tryx comes to mind

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And that's not worth recommending

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More like a beta test than a unique case

tender rapids
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Montech XR

bleak holly
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Z20 was decent. Montech XR felt too generic. TRYX was okay? Some just felt like a more bare bones enclosed chasis.

bleak holly
serene siren
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Both the 300 and Z20 are functional

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Hmmm

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Oh the antec wood series is a bit unique

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Most of those are good if you stick to sub $110

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It's a bit unique

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It won't be in a year

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Oh sup01

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Sup01 is very unique

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Probably one of the most unique this year but still conventional size

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I don't think anything really tops that this year

bleak holly
serene siren
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I simply don't recommend beyond $110 unless there's a really particularly good reason

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So the answer is I don't have another suggestion.

bleak holly
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Fair. I am willing to spend more but always prefer spending less.

serene siren
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It's just not worth it

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Been burned enough by buying premium in this space

bleak holly
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The Sup01 is somewhat interesting.

serene siren
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I don't like spending unnecessarily anymore

bleak holly
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The GPU is front mounted?

serene siren
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The gpu is indeed front mounted

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Upright riser mount

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Aio behind mobo

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Ssd's under a mirror below the mobo

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It's unique

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I nearly bought one but I managed to fix my loop so decided not to

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Between this and the dan A3 I wouldn't touch anything else from lian li tho rn

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Those two functionally are interesting

bleak holly
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Why I am particularly interested in getting another pc case is that, once I upgrade my GPU and PSU I will have all the extra parts needed minus a case and ssd for another pc system.

serene siren
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Yeah I really can't think of any other unique cases

bleak holly
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Do you know of some nice pc cases that are more geometric, curved/angled glass, and or meant to have the mobo flat.

For some reason I always loved how the Cougar Gemini X looked when it was placed sideways.

serene siren
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Sup01 is probably the most odd that's within the realm of reason

bleak holly
serene siren
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Oh flat mobo

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No

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Light base 900 was mentioned earlier and vetoed, that's a non standard layout now

bleak holly
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I saw that.

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It looked quite interesting to me.

serene siren
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And i know like 3 cases that do that and I don't really agree with any

serene siren
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Main reason being the glass can't support anything

bleak holly
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Glass?

serene siren
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So you just take up desk space

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Yes glass

bleak holly
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Oh that's what you mean.

serene siren
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It's highly impractical in turn for a different layout

bleak holly
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Yeah I have kinda given up on the space aspect when I started buying cases like my Fractal Torrent haha. I usually buy massive 2-3M L shaped desks now.

serene siren
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And this is where I deviate lol

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I've been sizing down

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I can fit everything I had in my O11 inside my Dan A3 with no losses

bleak holly
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I would love to have a mobile pc for travels but I have yet to find a small portable pc that is very expandable feature wise.

serene siren
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In fact my performance improved

bleak holly
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Ideally I would like to get into custom loops at some point in the near future (for aesthetics).

serene siren
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Take my advice

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They're a pain and extremely not worth

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Lol

bleak holly
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How big of a pain?

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Isn't it just an refillable AIO?

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with a lot more points for leaking.

serene siren
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Like if you have even something slightly wrong it's the equivalence of disassembling a normal pc several times over and no

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If you're obsessed with messing with a computer it's an easier pill to swallow

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Big numbers fun performance

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But if you want a daily functional pc they can be pure cancer

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Tech has reached the point where water cooling makes basically no sense anymore anyways

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The last bastion was intel's cpus

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Those have been remedied now

bleak holly
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I do like messing with my computers but I also like them functional and visually pleasing (I know I am picky in this regard).

serene siren
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I'm aware

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I'm not going to advocate for it tho

bleak holly
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Understandable.

serene siren
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Just tell you to turn back ye green soul lmao

bleak holly
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How often do do maintenance on your loops?

serene siren
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At least once a month

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And this is, fixing an issue, not changing water

bleak holly
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....

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How does it break that often?

serene siren
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I use low maintenance loops which are a 6 monthly thing

serene siren
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I'm being pedantic here but it's really barely any better than an aio for wayyy more work and that comes from someone with two low maintenance builds

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The aesthetics aren't worth it lol

bleak holly
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Yikes. Yeah I'd gonna have to give it a deep think over before doing any loops.

serene siren
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I stress this point btw, low maintenance loops

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I use zmt, no uv or coloured liquid

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Low turnover mix

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I make the effort to avoid maintenance

bleak holly
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But back onto the topic, the SP01 looks interesting though I prefer more geometric cases. Good example would be like my Torrent, Cougar Gemini X or the Hyte Y60. Neither feel like yet another box.

serene siren
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Y60 is terrible

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So are the accompanying Y70 and Y40 these days

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I'm gonna defeat that train of thought now lol

bleak holly
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Aight, no Y60

serene siren
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Not enough gpu ventilation to make them worth it at all

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Any of them

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I got not much a bearing on that cougar case and the torrent is old news

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I still can't really think of another like, out there case

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One worth it anyway

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There's always unique for any price

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Maybe corsair 2000D?

bleak holly
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Ideally a pc case with a really nice clean interior so I can get fans that focus on performance rather than aesthetics. Yes I of all people the ARGB fanatic is considering minimal lighting.

serene siren
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That is compounded when you add liquid cooling btw

bleak holly
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I felt that one for sure.

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Daisy Chaining 12 ARGB fans and making sure the wires didn't stick out like a sore thumb when the wires were to short to reach the motherboard was a complete nightmare

serene siren
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2000D

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Maybe fractal terra?

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Terra is one of those few exceptions

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It's very small tho

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Fractal era, north

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I just remembered those

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But north isn't unique per se

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Era is tho

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Era is very unique

bleak holly
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2000D is way to small, I need to be able to fit an ATX board, 360 AIO, and however gigantic the 5090/5080 will be.

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Unless hmm. I use the new case for my secondary system which is mATX.

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Era is indeed interesting

serene siren
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ATX is a dying breed

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Most boards now ship with x1 lane wiring on subsequent slots

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Regardless of the slot size

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So the benefits of using ATX have just about disappeared

bleak holly
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That's unfortunate.

serene siren
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mATX is starting to take the fore, and we have a whole generation now with solid budget mATX

serene siren
bleak holly
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Do mATX come with a lot of nvme slots?

serene siren
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They can

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No guarantee like with anything

bleak holly
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I go through a lot of storage and need fast storage.

serene siren
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Itx can ship with 3 slots now

bleak holly
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Wow.

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I remember getting 2 being a pain in the ass.

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I had tried to go the mATX/ITX path on AM4.

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Settled on a low end mATX AM4 to make the 5700G I won work.

serene siren
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I would keep things simple personally, the matx route and a Dan A3 is impressively competent

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I have room for a 5090 if they go a slot bigger again

bleak holly
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Dan A3 has that much space?

serene siren
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Got a full 13TB system in there yes

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It's basically atx, but shorter board and not a stupid waste of psu space

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And thus, matx and small af

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It builds on the sama quzao/jonsbo concepts from earlier on

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Which also build on the Dan A3's concept as well (twist of irony)

acoustic goblet
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i really need help deciding

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but i kinda wanna use a mATX case for the compact and experience

serene siren
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Ah yeah i know that one

bleak holly
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Hmm for my next cpu upgrade I will probably try mATX.

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I don't feel like wasting money and buying a case that would require me to also buy a new motherboard.

serene siren
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They also make the spark

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Which is another dan a3/d31/im01 pro lookalike

serene siren
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Since you're not worried about looks

serene siren
bleak holly
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Off topic but my gosh this is gorgeous.

bleak holly
serene siren
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Many can run a ryzen 9 no problem

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4 nvme tho? Doubt

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3 I think is possible

bleak holly
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3 would be the minimum for me.

serene siren
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Not even my gene does 4 nvme and it was the most expensive matx

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Lmao

acoustic goblet
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10"

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compared to others at 8"

serene siren
bleak holly
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Drive Usage:

  1. OS/Quick Access
  2. Games
  3. Work & Video Storage
  4. Cold Storage
serene siren
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Won't fit?

serene siren
bleak holly
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I already do.

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I use Sata for my cold storage.

acoustic goblet
serene siren
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Then do better cos I'm over here on 3 kekw

serene siren
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Is price an object

bleak holly
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I am not going back to Sata for games again. And for work, Sata is noticably slower.

acoustic goblet
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10" will fit but it kinda pushes it, id prefer some room for clothes to pad the case on the sides.

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my NR600 was 10" but basically took the entire luggage space

acoustic goblet
bleak holly
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OS drive ends up corrupting to often for me to want to store anything important on there from when I tune my RAM and CPU.

serene siren
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Z20 also has a mesh version coming

acoustic goblet
serene siren
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Is that a good size?

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If it is my vote for Z20

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Z20 fits full length gpus in a 21L with matx, very rare

acoustic goblet
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and handle

serene siren
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I don't recall the tower compatibility tho

serene siren
acoustic goblet
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fractal terra is miniitx btw

serene siren
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Yes it is

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I'm assuming it's a hypothetical build yeah?

acoustic goblet
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nope

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i have the interior parts already

serene siren
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Eh

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Where 8800xt

acoustic goblet
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im moving from a lian li o11d evo

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to a matx

serene siren
acoustic goblet
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I just gave my little brother my 3070TI, so im waiting for a new gpu

serene siren
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Ok question

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How long is the psu

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It's important

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Cos CH160 might also be an option if you're not in the US

acoustic goblet
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probably a thermalright gf3

serene siren
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Or CH170

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Mmm 150 too long for z20

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Mmmm

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150 knocks a couple of these out

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Im01 gone, z20 gone, ch160/170 gone

acoustic goblet
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154mm air cooler

serene siren
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Talking the psu

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150mm is intrusive on those

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The bigger ones do 150mm atx no issue

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The smaller ones though want a 140mm atx

acoustic goblet
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i dont have a psu yet

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i could go sfx

serene siren
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And this is a hard requisite in these cases otherwise the gpu straight up won't fit

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Ah

acoustic goblet
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but atx kinda is better quality for lowest cost

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also if i want 1000w, a sfx is kinda scary

serene siren
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Yeah if you stay 140mm then you should be ok

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Ch170 is considerable here

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So is ch160

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Oh but 14600K owned?

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Wait

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Z690i strix is cheap

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Yeah this could work

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Need to double check

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Rip it was

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Lmao

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Hmmmm

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Yeah Z20 @acoustic goblet

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It's just so easy to think about

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The tower fits, you can buy mesh

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Atx psu fits (you'll likely only need 750 or 850)

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Matx is fine

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Good thermals

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Full size gpu compatibility

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Handle and small packing size for full hardware

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Makes the most sense to me for your objectives

acoustic goblet
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currently owned: 14600k, mATX mobo, Air Cooler, SSD, Ram

serene siren
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I'd do the z20

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Yeah it's gonna be the easiest

acoustic goblet
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$42 on aliexpress

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  • $13 for side panel
serene siren
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I couldn't find the official one

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I know there's an official mesh version coming tho

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Jonsbo themselves confirmed it

serene siren
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Oh wow

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Yeah I completely support the choice then

acoustic goblet
serene siren
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Damn they haven't even released yet

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Man if I wasn't already swapped over to dan A3 I'd have liked that

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I was debating the normal one but I couldn't commit to it cos the glass side panel would've been against the wall (left hand side)

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Ah well

acoustic goblet
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so really its either A3 for a bit wider of a case

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or Z20 for a thinner case

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lemme check how well a 10" wide case would fit

acoustic goblet
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naw i need the 8" case

mellow dome
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I need a reason to get this

wide parrot
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Kinda looks like a resin 3d printer

acoustic goblet
acoustic goblet
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How come mini itx cases are made with better ventilation that micro ATX

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Like bruh Corsair 2000D is perfect

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But only works with ITX and SFX

wide parrot
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While matx is usually either "normal" or budget

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Lookup the Sama im01 tho

acoustic goblet
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i have

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i think im going with the jonsbo z20

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it costs $45 + $13 for a mesh sidepanel

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i should probably buy an aio ngl

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it would be better to do a 240mm aio at the top with a 120mm intake on the side

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wouldnt this be kinda fire

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ill probably use my air cooler and just have it intake from that back 120mm

mellow dome
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I just wish the top wasnt plastic

acoustic goblet
mellow dome
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Oh i wasnt talking to you lmao

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I just wanted the case

acoustic goblet
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you're talking to me

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you don't have a choice

mellow dome
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Idk

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Im insane

wide parrot
acoustic goblet
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recommends 140mm tho

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but most psus are 160mm

wide parrot
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Huh ok

acoustic goblet
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the Corsair Rm850x Shift might be cool to use

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the psu cables come out of the side instead of bottom

serene siren
serene siren
acoustic goblet
acoustic goblet
acoustic goblet
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The Gigabyte Windforce OC cards are like 260mm

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So found this online, a 16cm psu

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the corsair rx850m shift is the same exact size

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now my question is how much space there is for cables on the side

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or theres the corsair rm850e

serene siren
acoustic goblet
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bruh this is soo COMPLICATED

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where is there no a-tier smol psus under $120 850w

serene siren
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That's where the rmx shift plugs are

acoustic goblet
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what about Cooler Master Q300L V2

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nvm too wide

serene siren
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Check that one out

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It's better than RMe

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Just for context

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That's vetted by aris, the guy that like 80% of the psu tier list works off of

acoustic goblet
serene siren
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Yep

acoustic goblet
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$90

serene siren
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How long

acoustic goblet
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140mm

serene siren
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That'll work

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8800XT won't be 3x8

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But odds are there will be a number of long AMD cards so keeping that gpu compatibility open is a big plus

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Like XFX for example

acoustic goblet
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well also a smaller psu = more cable room and airflow

serene siren
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If you can check out vetroo gv1000 too, I believe they have a compact white psu under 120

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That's a good one if you want white

serene siren
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Cvt(?) model iirc

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There you go

acoustic goblet
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oh u said 120

serene siren
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That's not bad

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You won't need 1000W tho but white is nice if you need white

acoustic goblet
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$115 for black

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i dont care for color cause im getting rid of glass side panel

serene siren
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I think you'd be all ok with 750W personally, but a good 1000W goes a long way if your parts are mostly white

acoustic goblet
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nop

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no white parts

serene siren
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Ah

acoustic goblet
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mesh sidepanel

serene siren
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Then yeah A850GL tbh

acoustic goblet
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i dont give a shimber mi timbers about how it looks

serene siren
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Lmfao

acoustic goblet
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even the outside

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as long as its smol and strong

serene siren
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Ok well, only other thing would really be ram height

serene siren
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Other than that any recent card will fit

serene siren
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The ez(studios) solution is to just stick the front dual tower fan at the back

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Use one less fan

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But worth consideration for your budget

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If they're tall sticks, like not typical LP, that should be noted

acoustic goblet
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the max cooler height is 164mm

serene siren
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Yes

acoustic goblet
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my Phantom Spirit is 154mm

serene siren
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Yes

acoustic goblet
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that gives me like 10mm of room to push fan a lil higher

serene siren
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Ram sticks can add more than 10

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What rams are we ramming

acoustic goblet
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TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert

serene siren
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Ok you're good then

acoustic goblet
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decently short

serene siren
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Everything should fit if you're just using m.2

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Just uh

acoustic goblet
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no im using dual HDD

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and i need to fit my pet cat inside

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he likes warmth

serene siren
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Ok we all sorted then

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Z20 sounds like the winner

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Heads up tho

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Cable management in these tiny boxes is a bit of a pita

acoustic goblet
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i dont need cable management

serene siren
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You kinda do

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If you close it all up without running the cables properly in cases like this the cables jam up the fans

acoustic goblet
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its gonna look like this hell

serene siren
serene siren
acoustic goblet
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thankgod the jonsbo z20 comes with a gpu support bracket

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that hanging psu is kinda scaring me ngl

serene siren
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But yeah they have cable channels, just make sure to use them and run the cables pretty well

acoustic goblet
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well when i put it in a suitcase i will have it learning on the motherboard side to let gravity keep it in place

serene siren
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Lmfao

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In fact

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I would actually like to suggest

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An aio

acoustic goblet
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is it even worth to have fans at the bottom?

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yeah i know

serene siren
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That tower is the genuinely scary part

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Ngl

acoustic goblet
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ID-COOLING FX240 PRO

serene siren
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Solid pick I like it

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Or any 240mm thermalright

acoustic goblet
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will a FX240 PRO be good enough for a 14600k and possible future ventures?

serene siren
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Yes

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The new 240's are made really well

acoustic goblet
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FX PRO series has had the best thermal tests out of any cooler

serene siren
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Good working example of this, many 450W+ cards on aios are 240mm, they almost all run issue free

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The 240mm is not a concern

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It's just heat capacity really

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So yeah you'll be fine

acoustic goblet
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ill probably use the air cooler to start with

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then upgrade when i feel the need

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swapping a cooler is easy

serene siren
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I dig the air cooler tbh but for moving in a plane I'd worry with that

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Especially the way people jam their stuff in luggage compartments

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Idk, I am normally money first but I feel the insurance of an aio is worth

acoustic goblet
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bus not place

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plane

serene siren
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Ahhh

acoustic goblet
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i get to put my own suitcase under the bus

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no throwing

serene siren
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Ok I'm less worried then

acoustic goblet
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but it does sit under a bus

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hence im swapping the front panel to a mesh instead of glass

serene siren
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As long as the bus driver doesn't get any tossing ideas

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Lmao

acoustic goblet
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the suitcase does have all my clothes in it too for padding

serene siren
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Yeah fair enough

acoustic goblet
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i literally brought a nr600 home one time

serene siren
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Ok a bus I'm not as worried

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Fair enough

acoustic goblet
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and i brought home my lian li o11d home once

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in cardboard box

serene siren
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Yeah I've driven around with pc cases no problems

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Planes are a whole different beast tho so glad that's clarified

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Well to me this sounds all really firm, I'd commit to it

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You won't do better with matx than z20

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It's amongst the best for size saving

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Along with like the mechanics master 20 (26?)

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Really really small

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Jonsbo quality is also excellent too btw

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I would stack it higher than lian li in my experience

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Prepare to be a little surprised lol

acoustic goblet
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ngl

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might even slap a portable monitor on that thing

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then i got an all-in-one

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imagine a cool usb-c 16" screen on it

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need to decide between the two psus

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@serene siren PSU Cultists have Vetroo GV1000 as A-Tier for their next planned revision.

serene siren
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Nice

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It's a good one yeah

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I use aris tho, I haven't used the list in years

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Gotta go

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✌️

acoustic goblet
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psu tier list is a lil outdated

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some links lead to the revised psus which are actually worse

serene siren
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He also doesn't use ranks or tiers which can be really objective

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He grades them by %

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So one or the other can be a few % better... they're basically about as good as each other

bleak holly
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What PSU would you guys recommend? Is Titanium or Platinum ratings worth considering since my PC is also used as a server.

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To power a 7950x3D + 5090

sand atlas
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Paying an extra $40+ for 2% additional power savings is not worth it in the slightest

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We don't know what the 5090 will need yet, it could require dual 12V-2x6 according to rumors

acoustic goblet
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Doesn’t Corsair RM1000e have dual 12V?

sand atlas
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No

bleak holly
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Yeah I just did the math. Assuming $30 a month, in 10 years of life it would only save me maybe $70

sand atlas
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And that's assuming it runs at full tilt for 10 years straight

bleak holly
#

I plan to purchase a PSU on sale come holiday sales. What +1200W PSU would you recommend?

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I'd certainly hope that 1,000W would be enough but just in case some overhead would make me feel a lot better.

sand atlas
#

I'll run on the assumption that the rumors are true and you'll need dual plugs. This has one native and one 8 pin adapted cable. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9LB2S1Q?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1

acoustic goblet
#

RGB is good tho, extra fps

sand atlas
#

Nope single rail

acoustic goblet
#

Huh

woven thunder
#

THEY FINALLY GAVE A NEW UNIT!
they said no to a new one from the first warranty claim, then after the refurb died within the 3 month period, they gave a new one?!?!
So what am i supposed to get? New or used????
????
Well least it'll last maybe

viscid patrol
#

RMA is whatever they have in stock

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they ususally try to get rid of refurb units first

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i assume they are out of refurbed units to RMA so they gave you a new unit

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and if they dont have a refurb or new unit assuming you're still in warranty, then they'll give you an equivalent unit

sand atlas
#

That's how I got upgraded from X470 to X570, MSI didn't have any in stock.

acoustic goblet
#

Would AliExpress be reliable for a Jonsbo case?

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It is a Chinese company

sand atlas
#

Cases shipping overseas is a bit risky just by nature of shipping

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The seller themselves is probably fine but there's always the chance that the shipping crate falls over or the box gets thrown across the room or something

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The longer the distance it ships the more of that risk there is

viscid patrol
#

Or somebody's mother sits on it and flattens it like a hydraulic press

acoustic goblet
acoustic goblet
#

I found a $35 Jonsbo z20 that ships from the US

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I just found this on AliExpress: $84.14 | To Z20 MATX Computer Case Portable Mini ATX PC Case For MATX/240 Water Cooling Desktop Chassis Support 363mm Graphics Card
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mqQbmnV

serene siren
#

Don't think I know anyone who can assure for that part of it

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Just make sure you buy from a seller who's sold a lot of that item and has good reviews

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Considering the box they usually ship in that's probably about as much as we can say is it should be alright

acoustic goblet
#

But the pics are obviously Jonsbo

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And the title says Z20

serene siren
#

Shipping from china is expensive af for large items

acoustic goblet
#

Huh yeah

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Maybe just buy from a trusted source

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It’s $100 flipping dollars tho

serene siren
#

Not bad considering your constraints imo

acoustic goblet
#

Well there’s like $50-$60 alternatives

serene siren
#

If they fit yeah?

#

IM01?

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IM01 isn't quite as good thermally but size is very comparable

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Highest sale count, reviews seem ok

acoustic goblet
#

Ehhh $70 + $10 for a side panel

serene siren
#

I mean if you can find a vetted seller then I'm all encouraging

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Lol

acoustic goblet
#

Its a lil smaller and 10mm wider

acoustic goblet
#

First some larger gpus and PSUs

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And a 360mm rad is possible

acoustic goblet
#

i got the A3

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white

viscid patrol
#

i thought you were talking about a3 paper lmao

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which is like double the size of a4

acoustic goblet
#

yeah paper

#

what tf else do we talk about

earnest light
#

Hello Everyone- Hoping to get some recommendations for a great 1000W Gen5 PSU to go with my black and Red Hyte Y70 touch.

autumn fern
#

guys what kind of cases would fit a Arctic freezer 3 420 best to put it on the top to have enough space basically and a good cheepish airflow case

blissful thistle
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Almost any scenario the 360mm would be just as good as give you more case options

sand atlas
#

Speaking from experience, even cases that claim 420mm AIO support often don't fit the 420 liquid freezer

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The tubes and radiator are much thicker than average, which is part of how they get such good cooling

bleak holly
acoustic goblet
#

any recs for <140mm or sfx 850w psus?

sand atlas
#

SFX power supplies use different mounting than ATX, which does your case use?

acoustic goblet
#

Lian Li Dan A3

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i seems like all the psus available are high price rn

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maybe i should wait for a sale

#

MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 was like $80 a few days ago

autumn fern
sand atlas
#

360mm is fine for that unless you're overclocking it and planning on making it use 300W

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The 360mm can handle 250W no sweat

serene siren
#

Thermalright/ID Cooling 360mm will have zero issue with a chip like that

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Even some tower coolers now

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Granted yeah, avoiding going nuts with the OC

hushed quail
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Hello, doing a new build for my son on a Sevenhero EMBL panoramic Micro ATX tower, with an MSI Pro H610M-G WiFi MB. Everything is up and running except the LEDs on the fans. The case has an LED button and an LED SW plug that I connected to JRGB at the bottom right of the MB but lights still don’t turn on

elfin trout
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I don't think there's a manual online for that case, so you will have to check for any physical manuals for the case, but my guess is that the argb on the fans are powered by a hub somewhere in the case that's either sata or molex

chilly path
#

That looks almost identical to my Montech case's front IO

sand atlas
#

If the case has a cable like that, I'm guessing it also came with a controller to plug it all into, and that controller is going to need power, usually SATA.

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If it doesn't have a controller then that button will be useless, but you can still use it as a reset button or clear cmos button if you plug it into the right spot.

hushed quail
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Thank you, I got the lights to work eventually and yes that cable wasn’t used. There is some MSI software that controls the lighting. And I didn’t see a controller

sonic igloo
#

guys , i have a bad laptop battery calibration, how can i fix it ?

viscid patrol
#

Use it till 0 and recharge till full

bleak holly
#

I am looking at Power Supplies for a 7950x3D + 5090 combo.

In the category of 1200w power supplies so far I have been looking at these 3 options.

blissful thistle
#

Also d.f2 is $130 not $160 for me

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Oh bc that's the d.f x not the 2

bleak holly
serene siren
#

Don't need 1200W

#

850W will cover it honestly

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Max 1000W

#

Invest in safety not capacity

#

I can even do the math on this

#

750W max transient on a 4090 at an unrealistic 600W limit

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+the 162W of a 7950X3D

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Account for up to 50% transient

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990W max on both

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A 1000W even with aux power will cover it easily

#

1000W is usually for the 12V rail

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So it'll cover that

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Good 1000W is enough

bleak holly
#

Thanks for helping as always.

Do you think the deal Bacca posted is good enough?

serene siren
#

And 990 is assuming that both are running max power

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Which never happens

sand atlas
#

Plus power supplies (usually) are set to not trip until 120-140% max load

serene siren
#

Spec is 600W tdp per 1 cable

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Up to 660W

#

Can take more but depends on brand

serene siren
sand atlas
bleak holly
#

Ahh ok.

sand atlas
#

They set OCP to 100%

serene siren
#

This is technically fine

#

GV1000 I believe is better

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Yeah it is

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RMx tier

bleak holly
#

Btw guys I bring good news.

sand atlas
#

It's the leadex v series in general according to the tier list but they've been wrong/confused before

bleak holly
#

Starting tomorrow I can finally use regular Amazon and Newegg again.

bleak holly
#

No more MX bs.

#

Or 33% import tax on electronics and shipping.

sand atlas
#

You probably still won't get free shipping but at least you'll be in the US

bleak holly
#

I am a Amazon Prime member.

#

So I rarely have to worry about shipping.

serene siren
#

Prime doesn't mean always free

sand atlas
#

Alaska is an exception to many prime shipping offers

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So is Hawaii

serene siren
#

We also don't always suggest amazon

bleak holly
#

Been a loyal customer for too long haha. Mostly because they have always done a good job at delivering on time and handling returns no questions asked in my own experience.

serene siren
#

Irregardless we will still not always suggest amazon so doesn't mean much at all

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The best deal is the best deal

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Regardless of Amazon

bleak holly
#

Not necessary but I would like to try custom cables at some point. Will that limit my PSU options?

serene siren
#

Nope

bleak holly
serene siren
#

It will mean something if you go with a Z20

#

But otherwise not at all

sand atlas
#

Oh by the way you'll have a whole new set of PC problems to worry about, like dirty power, brown outs, and ambient static from the cold environment

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I recommend a good UPS

bleak holly
#

Dirty power?

sand atlas
#

105V instead of 110, that kind of thing

#

It happens when you're far from the power station

bleak holly
#

I am not moving to northern Alaska to be clear.

Moving to either Anchorage or Palmer.

sand atlas
#

Yeah I figured it wouldn't be the tundra

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But even on the southern coast these are issues they have

bleak holly
#

Understood.

serene siren
#

Good news

#

The GV1000 is 140mm

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It fits in the Z20

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Lol

bleak holly
sand atlas
#

Uninterruptible power supply

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Battery backup basically

#

But a good one will clean up any power issues before they're a problem for sensitive things like your PC

bleak holly
bleak holly
sand atlas
#

$150-ish

serene siren
#

It fits with an included gpu holder

#

Like it makes complete sense if you intend to travel lmao

sand atlas
#

You can check your voltage at various points during the day before you make the purchase to see if you can anticipate problems. Also ask the locals how often the power goes out.

bleak holly
#

Will do.

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I doubt it can be worse than the bloody almost daily outages I have had to put up with for weeks at a time in MX.

bleak holly
# serene siren The GV1000 is 140mm

Just to confirm, @serene siren is this the right PSU? If so I will purchase it once I land in Alaska later.

Also do you think this will run the 7950x3D + 5090 hopefully with a bit of headroom for a upgrade to an 9950x3D?

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I gotta go

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See y'all later.

serene siren
#

Ye

bleak holly
#

Waiting to board the plane.

pallid isle
#

Okay so I'm actually looking at getting replacement fans now that I'm ordering a few things, any recommendations? Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon is like $30 per fan now.

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I have a 240mm DeepCool Mystique with loud fans and I need a replacement for a front fan, so a pack of 3-5 wouldn't be bad (two rad fans, exhaust, two intake)

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I think these AIO fans are also kind of stupid lol

#

Don't seem to cooperate with any software other than DeepCool's where I can't actually change any curves

edgy flume
#

Do all type 4 Cables work with all type 4 corsair psu's ? Or is there any limitations?

sand atlas
#

Yep that's exactly how it works

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Type 4 works on RM, RMe, RMx (excluding Shift), HX, HXi (2022 refresh), AXi, and original SF models

edgy flume
sand atlas
#

Type 5 has come out since then so it's always good to double check 👍

edgy flume
sand atlas
#

That gets more complicated since Corsair technically rebrands units from other manufacturers, but for the sake of safety it's recommended to only use cables designed for corsair units specifically on a corsair power supply

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This can include custom cables made with corsair in mind

edgy flume
#

ohh alright

#

Thanks for the info

night gate
#

I'm looking to replace a burned out Seasonic Focus PX-750 and the local microcenter has MSI Mag A750GL, would that be a decent replacement?

sand atlas
#

Yep

night gate
#

Thank you

earnest light
#

Hi everyone- With the rumored leaks and PCIe 5.0 support for RTX 5090. Will a 1000W Gold be enough with AI overclocks?

elfin trout
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Would not recommend using any AI overclocking tools at the moment they're all just predefined v/f curve with a little bit of offsetting, but I'd also wait until we get reviews before deciding

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5090 might draw more power than expected or it might draw less, it could spike more than expected or spike less, can't know until it comes out

earnest light
#

With higher rating like Gold plus and ATX 3.1, it should be enough for those huge spikes right?

elfin trout
#

Gold plus...?

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The atx 3.1 standard itself barely changes anything, it's just the new connector that currently only Nvidia is using

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The tripping from spikes from the 20 series era was because of how OCP was configured on those PSUs and how 20 series had much higher sub 20ms spikes

earnest light
elfin trout
#

The 80 plus standards can only tell you a little bit about the efficiency of the PSU, nothing else

earnest light
#

I'm asking now cause I'll more than likely build my PC before the GPU comes out so I hate to have to replace then.

#

Just looked up my PSU order and I have a Holiday return extension till February so I should be safe to start building. Now just hoping for a more efficient GPU.

elfin trout
#

What do you have right now?

earnest light
#

Corsair RM 1000x

elfin trout
#

It'll work well for now, we'll just have to see how the 5090 turns out

earnest light
#

Thank you Sir. Really hoping it's enough. A 1000W PSU is a huge difference from just a few years ago. I could have never imagined needing anything over 850W for just gaming

earnest light
#

I decided to just swap out to 1500W PSU. Reason is because a top end 4090 build already recommends a 1000W. So I can only imagine needing more for the next generation with some OC.

#

I opted for Corsairs HX 1500i EpicEgg

elfin trout
#

Might need to switch it to single rail if it ever trips the multi rail ocp

earnest light
#

Single rail?

serene siren
#

PSUs supply power using rails for voltages

#

Some psus use multiple rails for certain power types

#

HXi has a toggleable multirail/single rail switch

#

Meaning it has multiple 12v rails

#

Multi rail can be really annoying if you don't load balance properly

#

You can basically trip part of the psu and shut the system down but only part of it cos that rail was running out of spec

earnest light
#

OK Thank You, I'll look for YoutTube Videos on how and learn more about it

serene siren
#

I don't think you'd need a new psu here

#

Cos a 9800x3d is only like 110W max

#

I would not expect a 5090 to use over 900W

earnest light
#

I don't? but a 4090 already recommds 1000W

serene siren
#

The tdp is 600W for reference

serene siren
#

You can run a 4090 off a 750W if you know what you're working with

earnest light
#

My build does have lots of RGB and PCIe Gen 5

serene siren
#

Well lots of extras may play into it

#

Depends if the psu has a single rail to the advertised spec or not

#

Some psus allow up to the PSUs advertised amount on just 12v parts

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Not all

#

Some add the 5v and 3.3v to that limit

#

So you get much less wattage for the unit

earnest light
#

I don't know, I just don't want to have to worry about needing more when I start messing around and OC'ing

#

Plus next Gen GPU's always tend to draw more power

serene siren
#

Next gen is ada refresh

#

Ada is voltage dependent

#

Vrel perfcap

#

It won't be power hungry unless they don't give it nearly enough voltage

#

Since reference spec is single 12vhpwr I doubt it'll be more than 750W on aibs

earnest light
#

Still much we don't know so I just rather be ready for it and not have to swap then

earnest light
#

Also this should future proff any Upgrades for me down the line

serene siren
#

You don't know if it needs way more either

#

And no you should replace your psu within every 7 years or so

earnest light
#

That's what my tought process was until I saw 4090 Power consumption. I'm currently using 850W for my 3090 and I thought going to 1000W was crazy

serene siren
#

4090 power is a nominal 525W overclocked with peaks slightly higher

#

If a 5090 reference board is 1x12vhpwr then the board is limited to 675W max

#

By spec restriction

earnest light
#

But then I have to account for everything else on my build

serene siren
#

You really should wait instead of early investing

earnest light
#

Unfortuantely I'm not really able to wait. I'm drawing the fund from my Crypto gains this year and I highly doubt it will stay this high

serene siren
#

They were saying this about the 4090 until like the last week before the announcement then the tdp claims dropped by 25%

#

All the early cards were designed for 600W then last minute they manage to drop it to 350-450W

#

I would wait

earnest light
#

I would if I could, but knowing myself I'll end up spending it on something even if its loans

#

Anyways, i think I'll stick with 1500W. Not just for this build but for future upgrades

serene siren
#

Well your call ig

bleak holly
serene siren
#

The most annoying thing I hate about doing the same thing 2 years ago is that these large psus fit in like only 5 cases

#

So changing my aesthetic is basically almost impossible

earnest light
chilly path
#

Isn't the 1600i extra-extra-extra long?

#

Like 200mm

serene siren
#

And I never needed this much power

#

Yeah it is

#

It fits literally in like only 10 cases

chilly path
#

Standard is 160 iirc
With long ones beig 180

serene siren
#

The long corsair one anyway

chilly path
#

1600i is honestly not even that pedestal stuff anymore

serene siren
#

By spec no

elfin trout
#

AX1600i is really long, 200mm, I think HXi is long but not as long, 180mm

serene siren
#

Axi is still good but way overkill for anything

chilly path
#

It's an old design

elfin trout
#

180mm fits in most cases still

chilly path
#

I don't believe they ever updated it

serene siren
elfin trout
#

AXi hasn't been updated yea, HXi has though

chilly path
serene siren
chilly path
#

Like it's 180mm without connections

elfin trout
#

depends on case implementation but usually it's not like we have drive cages in the bottom now

serene siren
chilly path
#

It's gonna be 190-200 with cables

elfin trout
#

it's just the brackets

serene siren
#

Lol

chilly path
#

Now for reference the AX1600i is 200mm long
WITHOUT connectors

serene siren
#

My P2 fills almost the entire length of the back of an o11 evo

chilly path
#

It's a monolith

serene siren
#

With connectors on it fills the entire length

#

Lol

#

Along with having a noisy fan

#

Hybrid or not

#

But fr the evo is one of the largest cases for fitting a psu

#

Not much else fits 180mm

chilly path
#

NGL that's one of the things I dislike with a lot of PSUs
The fans are so bad

#

Like they're gonna work but they so loud

serene siren
#

Lmfao I changed 1 filter

chilly path
#

Oh boy

elfin trout
#

P500a can do 250mm taking away 2 hdd brackets

#

most of the cases I would consider large and spatious have plenty of space in the bottom for an ultra long psu as long as you don't use all the drive cages

#

p500a image for reference

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Even with something smaller, td500 mesh says it only supports up to 180mm but you can clearly get more space if you take out the drive brackets

serene siren
#

I mean yeah if you like those

elfin trout
#

I don't think it's a issue for most cases

serene siren
#

Dual chamber is almost non existent at this size

elfin trout
#

I mean personally I've never liked dual chamber cases so I don't consider them much lol

#

most standard cases have no problems just taking away a drive cage and fitting much bigger psus

serene siren
#

I think pcpp is lying to me rn

#

It's saying the o11 mini air fits a 200mm

#

And I know that's a lie

#

Only seen antec c8 and o11 vision compact so far for any dual chambers that are actually decent

#

But I can't tell if they actually are compatible

chilly path
#

It's probably a "You REALLY want to attach all the cables you need to the PSU before you screw it into the case" situation

serene siren
#

Yeah I think this site doesn't know

#

Tower 300 fits 180mm max

#

Dan a3 doesn't list any support for a 200mm, it can fit it but it thinks it can fit it with a 334mm gpu which is not correct

#

Pretty sure pcpp is lying lol

serene siren
#

I often forget normal cases exist cos A) I only have one of those left lol

#

But also B) most high end tend to not pick normal style anymore

elfin trout
#

Personally I've been recommending north xl recently for higher end so that's why I pulled that up as the first example lol

serene siren
#

Fair enougj

#

Enough

earnest light
#

With the rumored TDP of RTX 5090 at 575W and 120W for 9800x3d. Does a PSU of 1500W makes sense for a high end build with RGB and OC?

serene siren
#

Not even remotely lmfao

earnest light
#

Too much?

serene siren
#

1000W.

#

Max.

earnest light
#

Ok, thank you.

serene siren
#

For the record I'm being generous there

#

I've done my 600W 4090 on an 850W

#

Pick the right psu and you won't need even 1000W

earnest light
#

Corsair PSU is what opted for.

serene siren
#

Corsair ≠ good

#

You should shop by model and review

#

Especially, on the psu

earnest light
#

Corsair and NZXT seems to be the only PSU that are compatible with next gen GPUs

serene siren
#

Every brand makes good units (save for gamemax)
Every brand makes firebombs (including gamemax)

serene siren
#

All you need is a 12vhpwr plug

#

You don't need anything else

#

Almost every psu brand has these now

earnest light
#

How about ATX3.1?

serene siren
#

That's the revised cable spec

#

Which any new unit will have

#

It's been out for like a year now

#

Try not to buy native 12vhpwr btw

#

Two questionable power plugs is more risky than an adapter with one imo

#

Seen the 12vhpwr melt on both ends, even with 3.1 out

earnest light
#

Wich brands do you suggest?

serene siren
#

No brands

#

Only models

earnest light
#

Would you have model recommendation for Corsairs?

serene siren
#

Ez pick

#

Then use an adapter

#

Since you're implying the use of a boatload of rgb I'm going to assume the redundancy of 1000W over 850W

serene siren
#

You can get similar quality from other brands nowadays

earnest light
#

But still a good quality right? Reason I'm insistent on Corsair is because I'm trying to limit my brands for my build

serene siren
#

The core reactor ii is better

#

The gv1000 is comparable

#

Here's the thing

#

Psu brands are almost all resellers

#

They buy from an oem

#

Slap their brand on the front

#

And away they go

#

Corsair is one of the few that are in house but they've long been long out of the race for best psu for a long time bar the AXi (Which is a pointless buy)

#

Nowadays you have multiple brands sourcing the same good oems and putting out competitive units for much less

#

It's like looking at noctua

#

They were hailed as the kings of air cooling for years

#

They got comfortable

#

The competition learned and caught up

#

Now they're just an expensive brand that relies on brand loyalty

#

There's no real benefit to spending 5x the price of a thermalright these days cos there's only lost money out of pocket

#

It's the same with corsair

earnest light
#

My friend loves Noctua fans 😆

serene siren
#

Their psus aren't bad either but you pay for the brand now and you get objectively worse overall

#

You get a worse psu for more money

earnest light
#

What are the top brands now on to your opinion?

serene siren
#

Again lad

#

I don't go by brand

#

Everyone has their good hardware, everyone has their bad

#

Like corsair fans are garbage

#

So are their ram

#

Their cases used to be good but they cut costs starting with the new fishtank series

#

Their $300 aios lose to $60 options

#

There's so much to say for corsair

#

And more importantly not being brand loyal

#

There's a reason why the atx standard exists

#

It keeps things very universal

#

If you try tie yourself to an ecosystem by buying one brand you'll just be sinking extra money in for no benefit

earnest light
#

For me it's Esthetic-Performance-Quality then Brand

serene siren
#

Lad I had like an entire closet full of corsair at one point

#

Tell me what I don't know already about it

#

Corsair is not worth it

earnest light
#

I know its not a good priority but that's just what I prefer

serene siren
#

I woke up from that

#

It's your choice lad but it won't change my suggestion one bit

#

I don't empathise with brand loyalty

#

Because of that very thing we have an nvidia card coming that looks to be some 50% more expensive

elfin trout
#

In the end, you're getting the same OEM anyways for the PSU, Corsair uses CWT for RM/RMx/RMi, Core Reactor II also uses a CWT platform.

serene siren
#

And the core reactor does it better

elfin trout
#

There would be no difference in manufacturing quality, it's the same OEM making it. Core Reactor II uses a newer platform made by CWT

serene siren
#

Yep

#

But it also costs much less

#

So they do it better lol

#

Objectively speaking, you pay extra for a sticker here

earnest light
#

If money isn't my concern then will Corsiars HXi series be alright?

serene siren
#

No

#

That doesn't change anything 😂

elfin trout
#

That's made by CWT again but yea

serene siren
#

Buy the same thing from adata

#

Just buy the adata one

earnest light
#

If their the same OEM then why Adata?

serene siren
#

Holy hell the hxi is twice the price wtf

serene siren
#

Why is this so complicated

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You can print a hx1000i sticker and slap it on the psu for $10 mate

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You're going to pay $100 for a label

earnest light
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Again the cost isn't my concern

serene siren
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It's literally a sticker 60fpsKekExplode

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For $100

earnest light
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If that's all the difference is the price then I'll be alright with that

serene siren
elfin trout
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It's not like you get software support or anything, there is going to be no difference inside the PSU

serene siren
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I'm almost speechless

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It's literally the same thing but better

tame cape
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I'm about to go insane
I can't get a mb to fit in a case because the standoffs are all bent AngeryEgg

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hammer time

viscid patrol
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Flex seal

blissful thistle
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to prove how powerful flex seal is, I sawed this motherboard in half

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i wonder how flex seal works as thermal paste

tame cape
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I wonder if tig welding the ihs to the cooler improves temperatures

sand atlas
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That sounds like a horrible idea. How would you use the ILM?

chilly path
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Or you can just
Weld a contact frame to the chip, then weld the whole thing to the cooler

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No need to use the ILM

neon badger
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Any good case under $100?

earnest light
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If You can afford $110 I go with this casehttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B08C788312?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&ascsubtag=tomshardware-us-6612416805692788684-20&geniuslink=true

blissful thistle
serene siren
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@blissful thistle @sand atlas this looks awesome
https://lian-li.com/product/edge-gold/

750W / 850W / 1000W /1200W THE “POWER” FOR DUAL CHAMBER CASES The EDGE Gold PSU series features a unique L-shape design, a removable USB and fan PWM hub, longer modular cables, and a conveniently removable dust filter. Experience efficient cable management in a dual chamber or tower chassis that blends aesthetics and convenience in

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The features on it make it so much more than a normal unit

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10 year warranty

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Cybernetics grades all over it

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Removable dust filter

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Attachable usb and fan hub

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Braided and combed cables

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A 12vhpwr to 2x8 pin!!

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I

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Love this

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The first one was meh

sand atlas
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Cybenetic is so much better at rating actual quality so yeah I'd be willing to recommend that

serene siren
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THIS ONE

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This one looks amazing

serene siren
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It looks like this all in one package

sand atlas
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Ooh USB/fan hub too

serene siren
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I'm gonna watch for the price on this because if it lands well I'm all over recommending

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Yesss

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And a 2x8 to 12vhpwr is optional

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It's not separate

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So one less bad connector

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AND

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All braided cables

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The whole thing is a full on feature set

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This could fit in very well on appropriate builds

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This psu way more interesting to me than the gpus 😂

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Lian li has brought something that's caught my eye as much as the dan a3 did