cases-psu-and-cooling

[blissful thistle]

Get a 500w thermaltake smart white rated

[fierce pivot]

did someone say evga n1?

[mellow dome]

What rating is white even 😭

I forget if it's the lowest or just above bronze

[blissful thistle]

Lowest

Tbf the 80+ rating means almost nothing

[sand atlas]

Purely an efficiency rating, absolutely no quality testing. Cybenetics testing looks promising, and Corsair is switching to that. They do actual tests including noise, thermals, etc in addition to standard efficiency. Hopefully other brands follow suit.

[serene siren]

The level of burnt your pc will be after use

You know like how well you want your steak cooked?

80 plus is like the "congratulations" level of pc cooking

[viscid patrol]

white is the rating of your house after the fire turns your house into ashes

(it took me a while to come up with this)

[woven thunder]

What's a good PSU that'll last the whole 10 years for 750w+ minimum system?
Later down the line i am looking to go to gen 5 parts if applicable past 2030

[serene siren]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

You won't get 10 years out of a psu as a guarantee

Buy one with a good warranty and take solace that you'll last the some 7 years some have

Or otherwise get it replaced and last another 6 or 7

[woven thunder]

I bought a gigabyte psu used for my first system in 2015. Lasted till 2021 until shotty home electricity killed it with a shock.

Though then what company does have a good warranty track record then?

[serene siren]

Seasonic is on 7 years rn iirc

I'd recc corsair for that specifically but lately I've had middling quality comments from new buyers

Seasonic gx are good, but I'd wait for a sale

Msi ag-f and ag-L also

[woven thunder]

Ye... cause i got pwned by them

[serene siren]

Ur not the only one

RMe seems to have had a quality drop in the last couple months, either that or my sample luck

Has me a bit suspicious

Most tech nerds suggest RMe these days so if Corsair can drop the price to build one by $4 or $10 a unit they'll make millions in bottom line for a slight quality dip

So I wouldn't be surprised in this economic climate

I've seen it come from a few people in the last few weeks

Across a few servers

So not trying to be snarky or anything just so we're clear lol

[woven thunder]

I understand that, its just text

I had the RMx

[serene siren]

Ah

Yeah not sure what they're up to rn

[woven thunder]

Either i go for a different line or switch brands

[serene siren]

If you have a warranty you have a warranty imo

They're good at psus, just a question of patience if you ask me

I am on a 2021 RMx myself

[woven thunder]

I did use it, got the unit, its refurbished for something that died 2 years in... i got it in 2021 for the 3080ti

[serene siren]

Ye

But I'd keep going until it kicks tbh

Consider a different brand when the time is truly here

[woven thunder]

Sigh... well i sent a letter anyways asking for an explanation to sending refurbished. I'll probably see later

Very... very frustrated with how i got refurb for so early of a product signs of failure

[serene siren]

Considering how annoying your problem is I get it

I've been there with 2 amd systems

I know exactly how annoying it can be

They may humour you on it, we'll see

Either way it's worth keeping one around, they're one of the best in the industry

Or you could flip it on ebay and grab a new unit

RMx sells well

Ima go, hungry af

[woven thunder]

Ty for your input as always

[past harbor]

Tough to go wrong w/ a recent rmx. Overall really solid, and there's a version w/ 12vhpwr port if that's craved

[opal garnet]

Three of my six fans have failed and it's about time for me to remedy that. Are fans just fans or is there a notably better brand for non RGB fans?

[raw wind]

arctic or thermaltake

both are cheaper and perform well

personal favorite is arctic P12

[sand atlas]

Unless you're really sensitive to noise then for the most part, fan is fan.

P12 is a great budget fan. Decently quiet too.

[viscid patrol]

3 of them at the same time?

Damn

[sand atlas]

These are decent too
https://a.co/d/5jqzIc6

[viscid patrol]

Cascading failure

[opal garnet]

Not quite the same time. I had a top one fail last year and ignored it. Noticed a front failed this week and moved the remaining top fan to the front where it immediately hated going from horizontal to vertical

[raw wind]

oop

[opal garnet]

I'm replacing the two top 120s with a single 200

I don't see any Arctic or thermalright 200s but I see Thermaltake. Can't go wrong with a 120 and a 200 from Thermaltake?

[viscid patrol]

Yeah

[raw wind]

thermaltake is good

[opal garnet]

Awesome, thanks guys

[spare pollen]

my pc sounds like a rocket blasting off or the a/c unit siting outside my house...did i go wrong by using these fans?https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KFCRF1A?psc=1&language=en_US

Built in a Fractal North XL I have 6 140's and 3 120's in it

[opal garnet]

I can't speak for the fans themselves but presumably being 4 pin fans you can tweak their curve so they don't run at full speed.

The page claims they're designed to run at twice the speed of regular Noctua fans so I'd believe half speed unless the PC gets hot would work

[spare pollen]

in MSI BIOS I don't show them running at full speed though...I haven't installed further software to tweak them. Any recommendations? I usually let the system run my fans at what it deems it needs to.

[opal garnet]

Outside of playing with temperature curves in BIOS I can't offer any more knowledge myself. I too usually let the system do as it sees fit

[raw wind]

use a fan control program and set the fans to a constant 50-60%

do a benchmark and check temps most likely will be fine

most fans at full speed will be loud

[viscid patrol]

Yes and no
you have hella overkill fans, you bought noctua industrial fans
Turn down the fan curve to like 50% being the max

Noctuas can blow a crapload of air for the sound level

And their industrial fans are made to be used in dusty grimy environments like factories

They're even slightly water resistant

[spare pollen]

more airflow better right? they even match my case perfectly

[viscid patrol]

Not really? More airflow just means more air movement noise

You just need enough airflow to expel most of the heated air from inside the case

Having a bit more could be beneficial, but any temp improvements you may see are small

[blissful thistle]

^^

3-5 fans is plenty

[viscid patrol]

also yeah noctua fans are trash, you should mail them to me to dispose of yeah mhm

[spare pollen]

shipping them over

[viscid patrol]

lol

[visual fjord]

Airflow and cooling are basically diminishing returns at a certain point

You can have a jet turbine of airflow but not get better cooling

[scenic lance]

What are good psu sleeved cables

[brittle charm]

anyone know what's usually the lifespan of a PSU? found out that my gigabyte p650b is turning 3 this year and I dont know if it's time to save up for a newer one, or just wait for it to just break and buy a new one(but my concern with this is it might affect the other parts of the PC)

[sand atlas]

They don't have a defined "life span" but they do lose roughly 10% of their capacity with every 5 or so years of regular use. Eventually it just won't have enough power and it'll start shutting off under load.

It's perfectly acceptable to use a power supply for 10 years if it's a good model

[outer tusk]

Package arrived 👀

[pine iris]

anyone know what this red light is? It's slowly pulsing for me recently

[sand atlas]

What case is it

[past harbor]

Phantek

[wide parrot]

Might be disk activity

[viscid patrol]

Weird place for it but would make sense that it was flashing

[dense yew]

Im thinking of swapping my Hyte Y60 for the Fractal North XL, any opinions? I like how much cable space my Y60 has in the back, how does the Fractal North XL compare?

[plush bobcat]

i say dont

you already spent alot on the y60 so just keep it

but it is significantly better

(fishtanks suck)

[dense yew]

Ive had this case for a while now. I really dont mind spending some money on a new case. I am for sure upgrading my gpu soon as I have a 3060TI, probably going to get the 70 or 80 card of the 50 series depending on price.

Would you know how the space for cables would compare between them?

[plush bobcat]

dont get a new case

please

just use the money to get an even better gpu

bc the y60 is already really nice

[elfin trout]

The north xl has a good amount of space for cables, it's nice to work with, but it's not like y60 where they push the mobo tray up to give you extra room

[blissful thistle]

what are the things you like about the north

[elfin trout]

Fractal North does have a pretty nice look, I don't know of anything else like it yet

[dense yew]

Love the aesthetic, seems like it might have slightly better thermals, and I really like the tinted glass.

[blissful thistle]

If its worth the money to you, buy it.

It'll just be an aesthetic and size change

Performance/pc wise it'll be the same

[brisk marten]

anyone know any good atx mid cases under $50 - 60 that are smaller than 205mm in width?

the ANTEC AX61 looks decent but i was wondering if there were any other good cases that fit the profile

[plush bobcat]

fractal pop air

[brisk marten]

unfortunately it’s 215mm

[plush bobcat]

close enough

why does it have to be smaller than 205mm

[brisk marten]

only have exactly that much space next to my desk

[plush bobcat]

cant you move your desk one centimeter

[brisk marten]

nope i literally can’t lol

[plush bobcat]

why :c

[brisk marten]

i’ve got other furniture on that wall and it’s already moved as much as i can

between the 2 walls and the furniture, i’ve got exactly 205mm of space left

it’s hard to explain

pretty much every other case i’ve seen is around 200mm but the pop air is 215 or so, i wish i could get it otherwise i’ve heard it’s a good case

[plush bobcat]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Dsstt6/montech-air-100-lite-microatx-mid-tower-case-air-100-lite-black this?

i mean its kinda small

but its cheap

the psu clearance isnt great

160mm

neither is the gpu clearancee

300mm

and its 210???

omdudgugdsfi\

the ax61 is fine ig

but i would just try getting that extra centimete

r

[blissful thistle]

Do you alr have a mobo?

[brisk marten]

yup, otherwise i would go matx

[blissful thistle]

Ah alr

[brisk marten]

i saw this, is montech a good brand?

[blissful thistle]

That's matx though

[brisk marten]

whoops

[blissful thistle]

I would never judge products based off the brand, but montech has had multiple good cases as of late

Sky two, king 95, 903 max

Among others

Buying based off brand is why we have people buying $200-300 aios that lose to $60-100 ones

[blissful thistle]

So you need the length to be <205mm?

[brisk marten]

yep

or sorry, width

[blissful thistle]

OHHH

[brisk marten]

as in the shortest side

[blissful thistle]

That makes so much more sense

Got it, ok

Mx330 and it's variants are relatively thin

I'd check those out for starters

Antec nx410 too

[brisk marten]

gotcha i’ll check these out

[serene siren]

AAAAAAAAAAA

https://www.techpowerup.com/326296/lian-li-adds-new-wooden-edition-to-the-dan-case-a3-range

[serene siren]

https://youtu.be/0r9yukG_9EQ

Turns out the case I bought is a new good one

[visual fjord]

let's GOOO

[craggy mirage]

Is it me or does Gskill and Gamemax power supplies, look almost exactly alike?

[sand atlas]

Almost like manufacturers rebrand things from other OEMs

[visual fjord]

No wayy

[pallid isle]

Any recommendations for Mini ITX boards?

[elfin trout]

What else is going to be in the build?

[pallid isle]

Sorry not boards, cases

No discreet GPU

[serene siren]

CH170

If you can find it

[blissful thistle]

Im01 plus, z20 plus are matx but very small

Ridge, Terra, q58, meshilicous, spark mini, n200 and it's variants are some good itx options

[serene siren]

Yeah those are good

Also there's that new fractal case that got a good review from GN

[shut bay]

Soooo just wondering. Is it normal to purchase a new psu and it’s dead? Got it tested and it be dead. I had already thrown out the box…so am I stuck with a dead new psu?

[blissful thistle]

doa parts unfortunately happen, should be able to send it back for a full refund or replacement

or RMA with the company via warranty

what psu was it?

[shut bay]

Nzxt c1500. Sorry I didn’t reply sooner.

[serene siren]

Yeah def rma

[visual fjord]

This is why people always say keep the box

Cause this stuff happens or you want to sell it second-hand

Both will only benefit from the box

[viscid patrol]

or at least keep the box until you verify that it works

💀

[shut bay]

I am extremely lucky. I was able to find the box it came in and the shipping box. I’ll definitely not toss them this time. It’s been shipped back. Hopefully this gets resolved soon. Didn’t know I’d miss my computer this much.

[tame cape]

The collection is getting bigger

[visual fjord]

"A fine addition to my collection"

https://tenor.com/view/collection-star-wars-memes-gif-10948960467278223465

[past harbor]

I like how the gif says collections, like more than 1.

[mild roost]

that hp has seen some upgrades

prob not but shhh

the pentium sticker looks most worn out

must be the actual hardware

actually nvm

4th gen i3 is what it has

i googled and found where the og sticker is situated in xd

[tame cape]

Yep
That's the original one.
Just got upgraded to a 4770 and a beefy Vega 56

So it's somewhat a sleeper build

I really want to see when I'll be able to get the whole front covered in stickers

[urban charm]

No amd 😔

[sand atlas]

TBF it's only recently that AMD would even be a consideration.

[past harbor]

If I wanted pga, I would've tried amd when AM4 came out, but Intel has been good enough since Core 2 duo.

[sand atlas]

14nm++++++++++
AMD says thanks to Intel for letting them leapfrog

[tame cape]

Coming soon

[tame cape]

I just realized that this is going to restrict airflow to the already struggling vega56 when the top part will be covered

yes, the gpu is at the top. The entire hardware is upside down, even though the case appears upright from the outside.

[jolly tartan]

so im working on a thing...

[sand atlas]

How is the riser cable going to get to the GPU? Something to think about when designing a case

[jolly tartan]

yah its just experimenting with placements for now

[jolly tartan]

both the gpu and cpu realy need to be water cooled

[lofty pewter]

If liquid cooling everything in there, dont forget about airflow over mobo VRMs/chipset, RAM, etc.

[lime tinsel]

is it safe to use 16AWG extension cables with this PSU?

[sand atlas]

As safe as any other extension

[lime tinsel]

So my pc won't catch on fire?

[sand atlas]

Probably not, just make sure everything is tightly seated.

[visual fjord]

Yeah

Plug it all the way in

[viscid patrol]

You gotta use all the length

[woven thunder]

thinkin about goin from my corsair crystal 280X to a different airflow case. either similar in small size or slightly bigger.

i usually have it under my desk, cause that's all i can put it on.

the heat from the build usually puts stress on the m.2 over long term and forces it to shut down once it reaches a point. wanna not have that problem without havin fans at max speed.

[viscid patrol]

is there a heat spreader on it?

how hot is the drive getting

[woven thunder]

Usually crashes on 60c.
I bought a beefy m.2 heatsink with a fan. Guess the fan doesn't work then or its slower at disipating heat. Can't tell since gpu gives it barely any space to work with

[viscid patrol]

60c shouldnt be thermal issues

[woven thunder]

But apparently it does

[viscid patrol]

drive should be able to get to 90 with no problems

mine throttles at 95

and it only gets to 95 from bigger file transfers and the case fans off without a heatspreader

and still doesnt crash

thermals is almost certainly not the issue, at least not drive thermals

what kind of shutdown is it? bluescreen? or does it just cut to black

[woven thunder]

Straight blue screen if unfortunate. Else, audio cuts off, program and connection stays for a few seconds before blue screening

After re-booting. M.2 is undetected and a full psu shutdown is needed before m.2 can be detected

[viscid patrol]

hmm

[viscid patrol]

what's the error on the bluescreen?

[woven thunder]

Whea_uncorrectable_error
Hardware issue

[viscid patrol]

hmm

do you have a 2nd m.2 slot

if you do, try putting the drive into there instead

and see if it still crashes

if it still does, then the drive may be faulty

if it doesnt, then it could be the mobo that has a faulty m.2 slot

[blissful thistle]

Ram

[viscid patrol]

also yeah could be ram as well

[blissful thistle]

Id run a memtest

[woven thunder]

We tried ram in a stress test before

[viscid patrol]

well, honestly could be multiple issues but the drive thermals are pretty much certainly not the issue

[blissful thistle]

Ah mb

[woven thunder]

Ye, my build from 2020 upgrade is cursed...

[serene siren]

Ram

[serene siren]

We did and found nothing, so then it could be a rare case of failing ssd nand/ram

Try what 343 said, m.2 in another slot

[woven thunder]

B550 motherboard has a gen4 slot and a half speed gen 3 slot. Kinda will defeat the speed purpose, though sure

[serene siren]

Well not really

We're not saying to stick to the 2nd slot, only to find out if the issue persists in slot 2

We won't know what's truly wrong without trying things

[lapis lotus]

https://www.newegg.com/global/il-en/thermaltake-toughpower-grand-rgb-platinum-ps-tpg-1050f1fapu-1-1050w/p/N82E16817153362?Item=N82E16817153362

I have this psu, must I buy a new psu in order to support pcie5/pcie4 hardware? coz i saw some new psus that declare "i support pcie5"

[serene siren]

You don't

They ship everything with adapters

Or you can purchase adapters otherwise, like cablemod or moddiy

[sullen island]

Hi! Need a good mini-atx case. No RGB. When did the Lancool 207 will be available?

[serene siren]

mini atx or micro atx

compact atx?

Or just smol

207 is a normal PC case size btw

It just is a bit smarter with the size

Like a smarter G360A basically

Actually I should rephrase

Very smart

I hadn't checked it all out, some very smart choices, like the SUP01 was creative too

Size still normal 45L tho

If you were after compact size the 207 is not

[sullen island]

I mean a small case!
Need to fit a 3 fan rx 7600 xt and a razer 5 7600 and so on

[blissful thistle]

What's the budget?

And do you have the 7600xt alr?

[sullen island]

100$ cad

[blissful thistle]

Im01/pro and gamesmax mesh box come to mind

[sullen island]

120 USD i think

No I don't I'm planning

[blissful thistle]

What's the budget in cad for the whole build?

[sullen island]

Ideally 1000$ can go to 1200

But the build i found is around 1500 😔

https://newegg.io/766b513

I need a low-end gaming pc for my parents that gonna last around 5 years!

[blissful thistle]

Alr give me a few min and I'll put something together

[sullen island]

Cannot go with too old parts

Mostly Excel web browsing , and casual gaming

[blissful thistle]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/XvCX9c

[sullen island]

Seems good

[serene siren]

Agree with the suggestion

[blissful thistle]

7600^2

[mellow dome]

My guys doing the new peripherals in the case build

[hard blaze]

can rmx shift comfortably fit in a 4000x?

[serene siren]

It probably can but the chance of it not fitting when the case wasn't designed for it and instead a normal psu would have me saying just get an RMe if you want corsair

I would also suggest requesting the airflow panel for it. 4000x is...not great thermally

[hard blaze]

nah not spending $50 for a panel. just putting stronger fans at the front and with the top ones its pretty much positive airflow

and isnt the rme chinese

some people reported it blowing up

[serene siren]

RMe is the same unit but with a cheaper fan

And stronger fans doesn't fix a poor inflow opening but you do you ig lol

Like the price between RMe and RMx shift has often been $50 to begin with (Even to vanilla RMx) so I can very easily see that this could be afforded if price was the issue

[hard blaze]

aight ill just sell the pc to get rid of it then

[serene siren]

Sure, change case would be better

[hard blaze]

and someone said its mixed Japanese and taiwanese

then why is it not as reliable as the x

[serene siren]

E is for economy

It was made to a similar standard with a louder fan

It's not as good as RMx but they're basically the same thing

Let alone RMx often within $10 of RMe anyway so much cheaper than shift

[hard blaze]

lmfao

how is that the same

[serene siren]

RMe, RMx and RMx shift all qualify as top tier units

The bits that count, ripple, filtering, power protections are all to similar spec

But the bits that aren't and that are more for aesthetic or QoL such as the fan, are a bit cheaper and noisier

[hard blaze]

is the fan upgradable tho

[serene siren]

No

[hard blaze]

since its worse

[serene siren]

Never touch a psu fan

[hard blaze]

lol ok

still dont think its worth the risk

[serene siren]

What risk 💀

They're all top tier units

That's like calling a focus a risky unit when for years these have both set the standard

[visual fjord]

I don't get it they're all tier a psus

[serene siren]

💀

Ikr

[visual fjord]

What's wrong with any of them

[serene siren]

Nothing

[hard blaze]

“the best thing about it is when it blew up it didn’t take out the pc with it” lol

[visual fjord]

??

Every product has lemons

[serene siren]

Literally can describe any faulty unit

That describes my PGM to a T

[visual fjord]

You're grasping at singular data points in a sea of data that says otherwise

That also describes a thermal-take smart

[hard blaze]

i saw more bad reviews on this ones quality

[serene siren]

If RMe was bad then Aris would've said something about it

And aris sets the standards

[visual fjord]

You know how your brain fixates on just the bad things when you don't understand the thing fully?

That's happening right now

[hard blaze]

maybe its the weather cuz this one got worse fans so it runs hotter in warmer countries

[visual fjord]

The overwhelming consensus and evidence is that they are all top tier units

[serene siren]

10C warmer means nothing

The fan will run 10% faster

[visual fjord]

It'll just be louder

Nothing else to it

[serene siren]

This really isn't worth me explaining anymore lol

[hard blaze]

ok np thanks

[visual fjord]

Fair

Also tbf most things are made in China in the world

[viscid patrol]

When life gives you lemons, make a lemon grenade

https://tenor.com/view/cave-johnson-cave-johnson-my-beloved-cave-johnson-my-beloved-gif-27699592

[tawny oxide]

How is this PSU?

I cannot find it on the list

[elfin trout]

seems like its not great

but dunno what the platform is

[tawny oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fHktxH

Trying to find a cheaper full modular PSU.

[elfin trout]

Prob just get the $80 gf3

[wide parrot]

I'd rethink the 12100f if I was you. I know it's a lower end build but 4 cores is a little low these days

[sand atlas]

Used 12400 would be good

[tawny oxide]

Yeah, Bacca has convinced me

[covert kite]

Is this normal for one of the pins to be missing? Cuz my pc won’t post so idk if this may be the reason. Was working fine but after I powered down to clean it never posted since cleaning. I 10x checked over everything but no post.

[sand atlas]

Yes 100% normal

It was always left available in the spec as an optional feature "for later use"

But never really got used

What CPU and motherboard?

[covert kite]

Found my problem. Was a wire got cut or finally broke in the lines of pcie connections. I just strip it down n wrapped it up now working100%

[covert kite]

Thanks for replying

[sand atlas]

Oh that's not good. I wouldn't call it a long term solution since it might melt the part where you repaired the cable.

But it's good to hear you found the issue at least

[covert kite]

Just until next new have planned upgrades

Year*

[sand atlas]

Keep an eye (and your nose) out for burnt cable until then

Hopefully it was just a ground cable

[pallid isle]

Any recommendations for fans for my AIO?

The stock ones on it sound like a semi accelerating when they spin up at all

[sand atlas]

120 or 140mm

And how many

And what budget

[pallid isle]

120mm, I think

Yeah

240mm rad

[sand atlas]

Ok so 2x 120

If you got a 3 pack would you have a space for the extra or would it be wasted/spare

[pallid isle]

It would be fine

I kind of wrecked one of my case fans while blowing it out a while ago lol

Meshify 2 case, and Mystique AIO

[pallid isle]

Two blades shot off of it

Yeah I got a little too close with too much compressed air

The other one didn't do that and I'm pretty sure I did the same thing to that one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sand atlas]

Cheap option https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/vq6p99,yDmNnQ
Quieter (same as Noctua) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4N648d/nidec-servo-d1225c12b6zpa-680-cfm-120mm-fan-d1225c12b6zpa

Specifically, Noctua orders their fans from Nidec with a color customization so they're literally the same fans but different color and half the price

And ofc there's the usual high pressure P12 that's good for radiators https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ6p99/arctic-p12-pst-a-rgb-0db-488-cfm-120-mm-fans-3-pack-acfan00232a

[pallid isle]

Okay, thanks

Out of curiosity, who supplies Sapphire's fans?

[sand atlas]

For the GPUs? Whoever happens to make them in the right spec for the right price at the time of production

[pallid isle]

huh

[mellow dome]

To translate, the best option for what they want when they want it

[pallid isle]

I know

just interesting

[mellow dome]

Lol fair

[pallid isle]

Actually, what else does Sapphire even make?

Oh they make AIOs, external adapters, and external GPU enclosures too

[visual fjord]

Probably sapphires

[foggy pumice]

I can’t decide between Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 ATX Full Tower or Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower

The pro has 5.25 bays which I kinda want

But the pro 2 is all metal and bigger with more fans

And I really like the vertical gpu mount with the pro 2

5.25 aren’t really used for anything are they?

[blissful thistle]

Why do you want specifically one of those?

And yeah 5.25in bays are not often used

2.5 and 3.5 sure

5x 3.5in 3x 2.5in
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Frn9TW/montech-king-95-atx-mid-tower-case-king-95-black

There's o11 air mini too

[foggy pumice]

I want a big case with no glass

[elfin trout]

No glass? How about the fractal north with the mesh sides

[blissful thistle]

Or focus 2

[blissful thistle]

Are you scared of it breaking or don't like the look of it

Ap201, focus 2, im01, lian li a3, pure base 500, fractal design pop air

Meshify c too

[foggy pumice]

Don’t like the look of it

I think I’m gonna to for the pro 2

[atomic zealot]

Hello

What high-end gaming case brand has the best build quality

[blissful thistle]

None

High end gaming cases are a lie

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/fc88TW/montech-xr-atx-mid-tower-case-xr-b

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BXtLrH/phanteks-xt-pro-ultra-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tvFmP6/bitfenix-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-flo-300-kkgsk-4a

If you dont like that aesthetic or color lmk

[hard blaze]

I’d kill for these cables they are put of stock everywhere

out*

[sand atlas]

moddiy
They even have UV reactive fabric

[visual fjord]

Or you could just DIY it

[viscid patrol]

i probably wouldnt diy it

not because you might somehow mess up a extension

but more of that it's just a huge pain

[visual fjord]

I was thinking in terms of just like

painting the cable lol

Just buy some nice paint and paint on the cables

[viscid patrol]

that would look

anywhere from it looks like somebody painted a cable

to it looks ok from 1 meter away through tinted glass

you know what

maybe it could look decent ish if you airbrush it on

so it could look ok from 1 meter away without glass

or you could get one of those pin removers to add sleeves to the cables 1 by 1

[jade monolith]

yall

whats a nice fishtank case

i had my eyes on the h6 flow rbg but im always open for advices

[hard blaze]

dang bro nothings there its just diy random stuff and modular cables still no that colour

[serene siren]

@elfin trout DA850R is just a CWT focus?

Oh no mb

DA850 is

DA850R is andyson

[elfin trout]

DA850R might be a CWT CSZ..? Might be misreading it

[serene siren]

No they're completely different units

DA850 is CWT oem, DA850R is andyson

https://aphnetworks.com/reports/silverstone-da850r-gold-850w/3

Idk how to interpret this information tho

[elfin trout]

Oh wait for some reason the 1000w one is cwt csz

[serene siren]

The guys here say "Oh it's great" but I don't know how to interpret that

Lmfao

No cybernetics cert

[elfin trout]

All I know is the capacitors aren't the best

[serene siren]

So would you say probably pass?

[elfin trout]

If there's a name for the platform we can check what other PSUs use the same platform

[elfin trout]

Assume like C tier until more info

[serene siren]

Oj

Ok

Cheers

[serene siren]

You're probably right btw since 5 year warranty

Doesn't give much confidence

[elfin trout]

Sounds about right

[neon stone]

Hi, I'm thinking about buying this case https://fr.marsgaming.eu/fr/boites/boitier-gaming-open-air-mc-edge_mcedge i love its design but I worried myself cause of dusts that could enter from the upper of the case. What do you think about it ?

[fierce pivot]

its gonna be a pain to clean because of the dust yeah

if you had it on a desk it should be too bad

[mellow dome]

Definitely a unique case lol

[neon stone]

at least it is original 😅

[subtle lodge]

I think it is cool

But wouldn’t it be easier to clean since it’s open?

Idk never had exposed parts

[mellow dome]

I think the crevices is what makes it difficult

More places to clean verus a case with less surfaces

[serene siren]

I love this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88tomTgkYCA&ab_channel=GamersNexus

It can flip to be a dual chamber style or lay flat like a more classy server box

OH MY GOD

IT INVERTS

AAAAAAA

Ah man, this is just a way better O11

This is excellent

[sand atlas]

I think they forgot to flip the sag bracket when they flipped the case

[serene siren]

Ya he did

[sand atlas]

Now it's an extra sag bracket instead of anti sag

[serene siren]

I love this tho

It's expensive but* it brings completely unique feature and makes use of all the flat sides

[sand atlas]

Yeah I've seen this one before, but not a full review. It's nice to see genuine innovation that builds on the current fish tank trend.

I just realized I could get that, flip it on the side like the thumbnail, set it on top of my computer cabinet, and make the CPU side intake and it'll pull directly from my AC vent

Then, uh, bottom/rear exhaust, GPU side intake?

So many different ways to configure that

[serene siren]

It's so good isn't it

Omg I just noticed GN uses an Xperia

He just like me fr (My xperia still cooked rn)

[sand atlas]

Felix is Steve confirmed

[serene siren]

I think it's a 1 VI

Yeah really looks like an Xperia lol how tf did I pick up on that

1V or 1 VI

That makes me feel a lot better tho that both Steve and Linus would pick an Xperia like I did

Haha the ibm reference

[serene siren]

Ah, the thermals on this case suck

I'm heartbroken

[viscid patrol]

what if it was a skill issue

[serene siren]

I could let go one caveat

But both questionable QC AND mid thermals

Lost me

Maybe in a few months that will be fixed

[sand atlas]

Those panels do look pretty restrictive, especially if using 140mm

[serene siren]

I love the idea of it, I just think it needs better QC

That will definitely be addressed in the coming months I'm sure

It's very unique so I reckon the average-ish thermals are excusable

[mild roost]

xperia is a tech enthusiast phone

still popular in japan tho

[chrome lava]

Anyone know if there’s a “home friendly” way of testing a psu condition? I’ve had mine from Corsair for maybe 7-10 years. I’m kinda thinking abt upgrading the entire system but I’m wondering if the psu would even need to be upgraded.

[visual fjord]

Stick a fork in it

Fr tho sorry idk how to test one

[viscid patrol]

I would probably change it after 10 years

The caps are starting to get up there in age

I don't think there's a "home friendly" way of testing, since really the only way of testing to see if a power supply is good or not is by putting a load on it

[chrome lava]

If the psu was only ever at like 40% load very highest and like 7-15% load idle then does it last longer? Or does it not have much to do with it

[chilly path]

It's an aging thing related to the currents going through it

It's safer to just replace it anyway

Remember if a power supply gives up, it can very easily fry anything and everything that is connected to it
Not worth the risk

At least I believe that's the reason
Not sure about that exactly, but I do know for sure that power supplies is where you don't cheap out nor do you take risks

10 years up, replace it

TLDR I believe ageing happens regardless of the load put on it @chrome lava

[bleak holly]

Welp one of my P14 ARGB fans have finally kicked the bucket.

The fan has had a light buzzing for about a year now.

Had the fans running 80-100% 24/7.

So in case anyone wanted to know, it appears a P14 you can expect about two years life if you run it near full speed around the clock.

[elfin trout]

would probably just put that up to random failures still at that point, can probably get it warrantied for a replacement too

[bleak holly]

Just replaced the whole set with my previous fans that came with the Fractal Torrent non argb.

I will use these till I figure out what fans I want to theme my pc with next.

[elfin trout]

6 year warranty so might as well get a new one with warranty

[bleak holly]

fair, I will do that when I am back in the US.

[chilly path]

Yeah that 6 year manufacturer warranty is really good

[woven thunder]

Think the seasonic focus gold series of PSU's good?
Specifically the Seasonic Focus V4 GX-850?

[blissful thistle]

at the right price

i wouldnt pay more than $110 for an 850w

bfg 850w atx 3.0 is great at $95

[woven thunder]

Its $150 on amazon.
I have funds on my account to use

[blissful thistle]

yeah nah

[sand atlas]

It's A tier but that's 1000W price

But you only get 850

[blissful thistle]

there's good quality 1000w at $110-130

[woven thunder]

What would be a cool psu for 850W? Or maybe something bigger for the next gen parts of the 5080 set of cards?

[sand atlas]

850 better be enough for the 5080 or there will be riots

4090 runs off 750 with a low power CPU

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9XNYcf/bitfenix-bfg-gold-atx30-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-bga850umag

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nCzXsY/vetroo-gv1000-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-psu-vt-gv1000bk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TnCZxr/adata-xpg-core-reactor-ii-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-corereactorii1000g-bkcus

[sand atlas]

GV1000 and the core reactor 2 are B tier, BFG is A tier

The higher capacity would mostly make up the tier difference at least so I'd consider then similar

[woven thunder]

How come this one doesn't have any verified buys or reviews?

[sand atlas]

Very few people leave reviews directly on pcpp

And the amazon and newegg pages are for third party sellers

The power supply itself has been set to the top A tier

[viscid patrol]

review system on pcpp is used so little that i feel like they should just remove it since it's just going to be heavily biased reviews from the small sample size

[woven thunder]

i just saw the pinned tier list. seein as i feel the need to get a psu asap. i feel the need to go with thermaltake for 850W at this point in a local best buy

[visual fjord]

Just make sure you don't get a f tier thermaltake

go with models not brands

[mellow dome]

Absolutely

I have an asrock motherboard, probably wouldnt get anything else from asrock lmao

[chilly path]

I am like that with Asus at this point

[visual fjord]

[chilly path]

aSUS

[viscid patrol]

Assus

[woven thunder]

I did check. I got the GF A3 series. No worries

[woven thunder]

Also, you say models. Yet i have an A tier PSU that failed hard sooo...

[sand atlas]

Luck of the draw

[woven thunder]

Then again, it was the 2021 version.
But bad luck 2x in a row? Naw bro

[visual fjord]

Sample size of 1

Well, 2

Not impossible

[sand atlas]

It's also entirely possible that it's just the specific combination of hardware that's troublesome, like a GPU that's just a little too spiky on transient loads for the power supply

And then that with a motherboard that's not very good at voltage regulation

[visual fjord]

True

[woven thunder]

Again, the 3080ti is a bit spiky, ye. But it also had an extra 100 watts to work with too.
3900x is stable, ram is a good kit, the b550 lasts. Temps weren't too bad. Im not sure where else the problem was

[bleak holly]

Well f.

I just found out I had another fan with damage to the bearings.

One of my P12 ARGB fans in pull config on my radiator is practically dead.

It spins but not at full speed and if you touch the hub, you can feel the bearings being shot around.

[bleak holly]

Are they quick to handle warranty?

[sand atlas]

Yes you usually get a response within a couple days

They'll probably ask for some evidence and then send you new ones

[woven thunder]

Stupid question. Will the 600W psu cord work with 30 series cards?
I'd think no?

[sand atlas]

No

30 series uses the old 8 pin PCIe cable, except for the FE models which use a custom 12 pin cable that's similar to 12VHPWR but the pins are different so it's incompatible

[woven thunder]

Ye. Its a FE. I'll play it safe with the two pcie cord converter cable anyways.

What I'd thought

[sand atlas]

Many power supplies can use a custom cable that replaces the adapter. Corsair even sells one first party.

That's what I'm using currently in fact

[woven thunder]

thermaltake GF A3 1200W is holdin up.
it was a psu fault from before. cool. i love my luck with psu's now...

[bleak holly]

Like a recording I assume?

[sand atlas]

Possibly. That would be the easiest way.

[bleak holly]

I already took the fans out but my friend while my PC was buzzing got a recording of what sounded like shrapnel bouncing around.

[woven thunder]

omg, the refurb unit was under warranty. ima get it changed, use it until its ded again in 3 months, then use the thermaltake again.

[bleak holly]

So a update, last night I found out my entire chain of P12s on the pull side of my rad were damaged with bad bearings.

Thankfully the push side does not appear to have any bearing damage.

Under medium load I have noticed my temps increased by 5 celsius on average due to the change from Push/Pull to Push only on my rad.

.

How's the current fan market for high performance fans that feature some nice aesthetics? My current favorite from previously remains the Lian Li Infinity.

[elfin trout]

Look through what thermalright has

See if you like any of their aesthetics

[bleak holly]

Not to crazy about them though this one is alright, I somewhat appreciate the simplicity of it.
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Connector-Computer-Bearing-Desktop/dp/B0CP5JTHNX/ref=sr_1_18?

While I would like to go the ARGB route with a lot of vibrant but clean color, I am not entirely against going simple with very high performance this time around.

[ornate kindle]

can someone help me pick out a good combo?

https://gjirafa50.al/

on this website

prolly like a 700 wat psu

and a black case atleast

I got a rx 6600 and a ryzen 5 5600

[viscid patrol]

what's a good around 850w for cheap in cali, USA

[blissful thistle]

gf a3

[viscid patrol]

@desert mantle here's your response lmao

[desert mantle]

Thank you

[woven thunder]

the RMA for the RMA unit of my 850 RMX has been approved. place your bets, good unit or bad, 3 misses or one good one?

they're payin the return this time, cause jeez

[serene siren]

@sand atlas @blissful thistle GF A3 had OEM change btw

Forgot to mention, happened very recently

It's now terrible quality, bit like what happened to the GF1

[blissful thistle]

Ooooof

[serene siren]

Yep now on the avoid list

We were right about the GF1 2024, that's a definitive no now

[blissful thistle]

Lmao I had someone argue with me about how he wouldn't stop suggesting the gf1 2024 until it was proven to be bad

And all i was saying was wasn't it better to wait until you knew for sure and spend an extra $10 to be safe and he was having none of it

Gotta love reddit

[marble girder]

Best cheap 600W+ PSU for an extremely sensitive budget? My sister only had $50 to spend

I know there's a lot of black Friday sales

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8LNxFT/msi-mag-a-bn-650-w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-mag-a650bn

[marble girder]

Thanks, bought it

[blissful thistle]

Np

I was checking amazon warehouse but nothing under $60 worth buying

[marble girder]

I don't have much time to research sales lately so it's nice to have people that are up to date

[blissful thistle]

I spend way too much time on my phone, I got you

[atomic zealot]

Can you please recommend high-end brands similar to Corsair for gaming cases?

[atomic zealot]

☹️

[serene siren]

Corsair won the award for worst quality cases this year

With their late _500X/_500D lineup

So I mean

I could suggest a match for that...

Haha

You want a decent suggestion, Montech have some great value picks as a whole

Many cases of theirs also come with full fan hubs

So you definitely get your money's worth

Or you could adopt one of the 2024 Lian Li picks

Apart from the usual o11 fanfare, the more normal stuff is actually really good

The Lancools, SUP01, Dan A3 particularly is really good

Sama has some nice picks

Jonsbo makes some really, really good stuff. Better quality than Lian Li

Much tighter tolerances, much more solid feel

Or you could go with Antec that have some, like, honourable mention value picks

Good overall

Phanteks have a couple cases

XT series are good

XT view, XT pro

Not much else that I can recall

Oh Fractal pop

Okinos aqua if you want a compact build

[serene siren]

I also know I said this like 5 minutes ago but this one isn't too bad
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/92xxFT/corsair-2000d-rgb-airflow-mini-itx-tower-case-cc-9011246-ww

But you'd specifically want an A620i lightning motherboard for a good pairing

And then a V SFX PSU is a small premium

I would easily pick a Dan A3 over one of these though

Prime AP201 is a decent runner up pick to a Dan A3

Oh yeah

Jonsplus Z20 is really nice

Like a full born case as long as you follow a couple ATX rules

But small enough to carry around like a suitcase

Phanteks NV5, MSI Mag pano

ANPX C1

That about does it for all the good picks that also don't cost a stupid fortune for no benefits

Oh Fractal north

Yep that does it

Beyond that you go into ridiculous price territory

[chilly path]

What about the B650E PG ITX?

Cuz the B650i is not available

[serene siren]

Wouldn't pick either of those

I specifically said the A620i cos it has the same board design as the B650i but costs $120

Wouldn't touch any of the others when such a good value pick is $120

If not that, the $99 B650M/HDV

[chilly path]

Well it just

Cannot be bought here

it's either the PG ITX or extraordinarily overpriced aSUS boards

like 400+ USD

[serene siren]

Then I wouldn't do ITX

[chilly path]

Okay

I did find an A620i

But the site is somewhat sketchy

Price is right tho

Not an insignificant difference

the only real difference seems to be port selection and the M.2s being slower

Gen 4 and 3 NVME tho

and gen 4 PCIE slot

@serene siren And do I remember correctly that you can flash a B650 BIOS on that board to unlock OC?

[sand atlas]

Gen 4 is fine. Even the upcoming 5090 should be good over 4.0 x16.

[chilly path]

I remember reading something about that but never really followed up

[serene siren]

Need to find someone with a b650i modded bios

I know a guy but also I wouldn't bother unless you were buying a 9800X3D and knew how to overclock

A620i is fine as is

[chilly path]

I'm not even sure the 9800X3D would be worth getting over a 7800X3D

[serene siren]

Depends what you do

[chilly path]

I mean game, duh lol

[serene siren]

Play lots of high fps games? There's definite improvement

[chilly path]

I more mean as a PnP solution

[serene siren]

?

It has bios flash button

[chilly path]

Lots of HOI4 lately actually

[chilly path]

Plug and Play

minimal faffing about

[serene siren]

I know what pnp is

???

They both go in the same slot

Wot

[chilly path]

Okay I don't understand what you're saying lol

[serene siren]

You can update bios without a cpu

[chilly path]

ye ik

[serene siren]

I do not see how this is a reason

[chilly path]

wot

[serene siren]

What is the faffing

[chilly path]

I mean digging around in BIOS doing optimization

with overclocking and all that

[serene siren]

Don't need to do any OC to make it worth

[chilly path]

Huh

Aite then

[serene siren]

Yes out of the box it works fast enough

💀

The OC is just a bonus

[chilly path]

And tbf the price for the two CPUs are pretty much the same anyway

Though at that point just buying the OOB OC-enabled board might not be completely stupid

[sand atlas]

The 9800X3D can be significantly better than the 7800X3D, and everything else ofc

[chilly path]

Holy

5 seconds per turn sim

That is

Quite significant

[sand atlas]

And that's at stock settings

I've seen an overclock to 5.4GHz all core on just an AIO

Probably higher now since it's been a bit

[chilly path]

that's +200 MHz right?

[sand atlas]

+200 but without doing any kind of PBO and boost, just locked at 5.4

[elfin trout]

PBO will prob get you more

[chilly path]

But yeah, I think buying the board that's OC-enabled with a 9800X3D is likely not a completely stupid idea

I mean yeah it IS quite a bit more pricey

but it's probably gonna be measurable once gen5 becomes relevant (if it ever does lol)

[sand atlas]

PBO can't get you more actually, it caps at +200 and is still at the mercy of boost tables but with a delid and custom loop you can do 5.8GHz locked

[chilly path]

cuz if I build it, I'm intending to keep it for at least 5 years

maybe one GPU upgrade cycle in midlife

if I drop the sort of cash on it, I want to get use of it for a good while

BTW are we not in the wrong channel?

[sand atlas]

As far as M.2 goes, I doubt it'll become relevant since it STILL hasn't even after the promised directstorage implementation. (DS ended up hurting perf more than helping)
For GPUs, I can possibly see a 6090 using all of the 4.0 x16 interface if Nvidia keeps up this pace.

[elfin trout]

5.0 x8 on arc might become an issue if they keep doing that

[chilly path]

frankly there ain't many choices for AM5 itx

it's either super overpriced aSUS boards (like 400+ dollars converted, because 27% tax on all prices), sketchy site A620i or the B650E PG ITX

like why the hell would I buy an X870E ITX board???

[sand atlas]

Maybe you need 30 usb ports on a mini pc, idk

[serene siren]

This is why you go with the B650M HDV and go MFF instead of SFF

Or Pro RS mATX

There's no reason to spend $100 more for a slightly smaller board that isn't any better

[chilly path]

or just D41 it and get an ATX board anyway lol

[serene siren]

Sure if it's afforable and makes sense

ATX makes no sense to most people anymore

We don't need the extra slots and manus don't wire the slots to work sufficiently either

[chilly path]

I mean mATX boards cost the same as ATX anyway

[sand atlas]

ssupd meshroom maybe, very flexible case and low desk footprint, if a little tall.

[serene siren]

Only a handful of boards still have proper slot wiring

[chilly path]

at least here they do

[serene siren]

Most AM5 boards have all other slots as x1 PCIe wiring

Even if it's x16

Until you spend $500+ you don't really get better

[elfin trout]

extra m.2 slot on atx boards is nice, but they really should just remove the second x16 slot on mATX boards and add a m.2 slot in its place

[sand atlas]

Prime example (pun intended) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9HVmP6/asus-prime-b650m-a-ax-ii-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-b650m-a-ax-ii

[serene siren]

You can still just buy enclosures

Or run sata drives

[elfin trout]

yea can just add a x4 card with a m.2 slot on it but yea

[serene siren]

You don't need a system jammed full of gen 4s/5s

[chilly path]

hey that's my board's little brother

[serene siren]

Ya

[chilly path]

I have the Benchmark Edition™️

[elfin trout]

idk why but I expected that to have crossfire support lmao

[chilly path]

lol

dual GPU by now is pretty dead

the only reason I can think of for having two x16 slots is one being GPU, the other high-speed SSD

But like who'll stuff a super expensive x16 SSD into a bottom of the barrel motherboard???

[elfin trout]

4 x4 slots with a x16 card can be fun

but usually you only get x4 on the second pcie x16 slot when the first x16 slot is in use anyways

[sand atlas]

Nah it needs at least x4 for that, those are all x1

This one is crossfire capable https://pcpartpicker.com/product/m7mmP6/gigabyte-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10-atx-am5-motherboard-x670-aorus-elite-ax-rev-10

So is my B650 livemixer, one of the main reasons I got it was the slot capability

x16+x4+x4

The second slot shares lanes with one of the 4 M.2 slots

Seems like the only AM5 board with a secondary x8 wired slot is the MSI X670E Godlike

And it comes with a M.2 expansion card to use it with

[desert mantle]

Where does the MSI A850GL fall on the psu tier list? Looking into power supplies I can grab when I get paid next week since I need one for my 3090 that should get to me by payday

[serene siren]

Slightly above RMe

Which if I'm not mistaken that list has RMe around A tier or whatever

[chilly path]

RMe is blue among the A tier

RMx is above it, but only slightly

[bleak holly]

Do you guys think there will be an issue if I used an AIO for the CPU and just air cooled the GPU in a Thermaltake Tower 900 case?

[blissful thistle]

no

[wide parrot]

Is a daisy chain pcie cable okay for a 7800xt? TPU tests show 250W pull during gaming and the slot provides 75, leaving 175 for the cable. I'm reading that the psu pcie cables are 150W, so i assume daisy chain supplying an extra 25W or so is ok?

It's a friends build so not sure of the exact PSU but iirc it's a high b tier/low A tier Corsair 750W

[serene siren]

If it's a good PSU yes

Not all PSUs ship with good daisy cables

Even the "good" ones

[wide parrot]

Corsair RM750x

A tier on the cultists list

[serene siren]

That'll do daisy

Tier means nothing

[wide parrot]

sweet thx

[serene siren]

You want good awg daisy plugs

[wide parrot]

totally missed this

[serene siren]

Ya a lot of brands will ship good cables but append on meh or bad daisy plugs

So specific unit matters as much as the quality rating

[wide parrot]

gotcha

[serene siren]

I just contradicted myself lmao

Perfect demonstration of why I live on coffee

[wide parrot]

I read it as 'tier means nothing [for daisy chain quality]'

[serene siren]

True

Lol

[bleak holly]

What are some interesting cases as of late? I feel rather tempted to get a new case for some reason.

[sand atlas]

Part of the A tier requirement is that it does have 18AWG or larger cables at least, which should be good enough in most cases

Or more specifically, 18AWG to the first connector and 20AWG to the second in a pigtail, which is still technically fine

(18AWG can handle 16A, and at 12V that's 192W per 12V line, ATX spec assumes a safety margin to be half that so 96W x 3 12V lines in an 8 pin is 288W per cord)

[serene siren]

Technically is yeah but I aim for 16AWG+18AWG min

[sand atlas]

300W over an 18AWG cable is well within the safety margin

The only issue then would be if the plastic connector itself is bad somehow, like it's loose internally

[hearty umbra]

Can my 600w gold psu support 4070 or 4060?
Other specs r7 5800x 32gb ram nzxt cooler if that makes a difference

[viscid patrol]

probably fine

[sand atlas]

Which model PSU exactly? Some of them can be rather explosive.

[serene siren]

Would also caution against a 4060 or 4070, there's always a significantly better pick both from AMD, now Intel, and even NVIDIA themselves over those two cards. They're not good value GPUs.

[hearty umbra]

Rosewill lepton golf

[blissful thistle]

No

It will not handle a gpu upgrade

I second what felix said

[sand atlas]

Low C tier unit. Not ideal but not explosive at least. I'd get a 7600 XT over a 4060 any day.

[blissful thistle]

Really? I thought everything rosewill was e or f tier

[serene siren]

Even then you can still improve over both

Lol

[sand atlas]

Rosewill Photon is B tier

[blissful thistle]

Interesting

[serene siren]

@elfin trout is there any way you could tell me what a 650W lite-on SFX psu is sold as?

[serene siren]

Nvm it's an ATX multi rail

650W 12v, 50W (100 max) 3.3/5

PS-7701-2/PS-8651-2

[serene siren]

THIS PSU IS SO WEIRD

THEY SOLD NORMAL UNITS

WHY DID IT NEED A FAN MOD

They took the good bloody fan, closed the opening off

Put a 60mm instead on the back, and cut this tiny ass opening on the side

And instead of conventional fan layout made this custom weird garbage

IT HAD A SIDE VENT THAT GOT SKIPPED

LIKE WHAT

[serene siren]

@elfin trout

^Lower end variant

I have the 700W version as in the spec sheet, they're similar custom spec tho

[elfin trout]

This looks like it's from the era when PSU manufacturers made low end units by mashing together crappy single rails into a multi rail unit for cheaper than doing it with just a single rail

[serene siren]

What rating out of 10 would you give it at a glance

I'm looking to repurpose one, I don't care if you think it's only good for 400W lmao

Cos that's more than enough

But if it looks decent enough for 600W I could maybe be a little more brave

[elfin trout]

Yea uh I'd think it's only good for 400w lol

It's rated for like 100w per rail

[serene siren]

Oh dear

💀

Thankfully that's all it's ever seen so good enough I suppose

400 + 600W transient

[acoustic goblet]

Just went through tier list for psus and found every 1000W+ a-tier psu available at a similar price

Corsair RM1000e (2023) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply "Silent" ATX 3.0 for $159.99 (low $149.99)

Super Flower Leadex Titanium 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply "BOT" Single-Rail for $159.90 (low $149.99)

Super Flower LEADEX VII XG 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply "BOT" ATX 3.0 for $159.99 (lowest)

Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 TT Premium 1200 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply "BOT" ATX 3.0 for $159.99 (low $155.99)

EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 G6 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply "BOT" Single-Rail for $159.99 (low $139.99)

[woven thunder]

my replacement PSU has just shipped.
lets see if it'll last

[lilac basalt]

I have a quick question, any recommendations for a 650w psu? im upgrading my motherboard from a uhh, Gigabyte b460M DS3H Ac-y1 (came with pc) to a GIGABYTE B760M DS3H DDR4. And upgrading my i5 10400f to i5-12600k. Current parts rn are rtx 2070,corsair 32gb ddr4 (16x2) and yeah lol

current psu is an almost 4-5 year old APEVIA ATX-PR600W. any recommendations that are decent under like 80-90$ range?
(prob wrong area so u can ignore this but any bluetooth cards? i know the new motherboard dont got bluetooth)

[acoustic goblet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hCGbt6/thermaltake-toughpower-gf3-tt-premium-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-4

No doubt about it, an A-tier "better of tier" ATX 3.0 PSU

[lilac basalt]

Ooooo ty!

[acoustic goblet]

im probably getting the 1000W of it

For bluetooth: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CTcG3C/tp-link-archer-tx55e-80211abgnacax-pcie-x1-wi-fi-adapter-archer-tx55e

[lilac basalt]

tysm!

[acoustic goblet]

although theres some wifi 6e ones

[lilac basalt]

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Toughpower-Crossfire-Continuous-PS-TPD-0600NNFAGU-2/dp/B087CDR14Z/ref=sr_1_2?crid=MTBEHI981FPW&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.E4X6ZdeWK0hAZVkBw6C23c_qdBPMNPmRogZDNWDYvRSdiJQy8ex6Ck095IP5-sioeiN1jfQ4cQgW37YOPV1KqmNsfg6uVBORXDsYhXWQUaxvkIc0VL4ctdpORU-px4roV9pK8nNs-8TZT8_zXTzIZ5rKnm8bMWMdrLTb-lWeHV7bXE6yvkEP3mfwsPhqRI9-HGC3vf3eEd2popdO-fvyolBhpJ2iXR47ahkbPs-IAFo.668WFOlGHK6CGVWHi9at4Utr49wSUjASQGgG475cdAY&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermaltake%2BToughpower%2B650w&qid=1733973388&sprefix=thermaltake%2Btoughpower%2B650w%2Caps%2C173&sr=8-2&th=1
would you recommend this at all? unsure if nonmodular ones are recommended at all. If not recommended this one ill go with one you sent for sure

[acoustic goblet]

no

do not cheap out on PSUs

the 750W is "future proof" by giving you that extra 150W and ATX 3.0 capabilities

also its much more highly rated

[lilac basalt]

oooo that's valid will buy the 750w then!

tysm!

[acoustic goblet]

Get this @lilac basalt https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mMJgXL/edup-ep-9651gs-80211abgnacax-pcie-x1-wi-fi-adapter-ep-9651gs

Wifi 6e > Wifi 6

and $10 cheaper

[lilac basalt]

OO bet!

[acoustic goblet]

might grab one myself too lol

tired of no built in bluetooth or wifi

[lilac basalt]

aw dang- ive had my pc prebuilt since like 2019-2020 and ive upgraded SSDs, the GPU and RAM. Finally upgrading my cpu after a long time, but needa get a new psu and Motherboard as well lol. Gonna be super hectic getting everything set up again for first time

[acoustic goblet]

i would get a ddr5 mobo

cause like eventually youll have to upgrade the mobo again for ddr5

might aswell skip a motherboard between and go straight to ddr5

Z690 PG Velocita with wifi $129.99

B760M PG Riptide $109.99 or $119.99 if you want wifi

[lilac basalt]

nah im too low on budget, dont think ill need ddr5 either way for a few years. Im more so just like stuff that is good but not super updated. (since sometimes it can be overkill) plus needa get a better job so i wont go too much over budget atleast for a while

[viscid patrol]

not really worth buying ddr4 mobos and cpus now unless you buy used for cheaper imo

[lilac basalt]

too tight on budget to upgrade my ram again it's easier for me to jus get ddr4 mobo 😔 i can try find used butttt. ill prob jus buy new

[blissful thistle]

what cpu are you going for atm?

[lilac basalt]

upgrading my i5 10400f to i5-12600k

[blissful thistle]

what ram do you have?

[lilac basalt]

i think uhhhh corsair vengeance 2x16 ddr4. the rgb one lol

[blissful thistle]

3200/3600mhz?

[lilac basalt]

i think 3600mhz but im unsure (cant check rn either)

[blissful thistle]

either is fine

one sec

[lilac basalt]

ooo alr

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ prob

wrong link

im smart

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jQ7HzP

[acoustic goblet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F68vfd

[lilac basalt]

ty!

[acoustic goblet]

now you dont need a bt/wifi thingy

[acoustic goblet]

Looking for a case

Likely ATX PSU
mATX mobo
154mm air cooler
14600K + 8800XT
~200mm wide or less
Preferably no glass
Not super expensive, cheaper is better

[serene siren]

Lian Li Dan A3 likely does absolutely all that

Also has a wood front option

$70-$85

One of the best performing cases of 2024 and all it requires is an mATX board just about

I believe it's about 210? mm wide

Going thinner than that you might struggle since that barely encompasses an ATX PSU

And a standard orientation GPU (Depending on the model)

IM01/*Pro and Z20 are also decent but they have more tight constraints

Both need a 140mm psu iirc

So ATX but not a longer ATX

ZZEW C1 is kinda ok, temps are quite variable and I'm not sure about a tower cooler going this thin

Also needs a taobao/superbuy acc to reasonably get one

Rest that come to mind for this config either don't exist anymore or are just asking for smaller part requisites

SUP01 might work?

Glass side tho

[acoustic goblet]

I think A3 is my only option atp

[acoustic goblet]

IM01 would be really bad thermals

Z20 is an option but meh cooling

I liked the asus prime tho

https://a.co/d/clsCVR2

It’s either Lian Li A3 or Asus prime

[serene siren]

Works like Dan A3 and D31 but not quite as feature rich as either of them

[serene siren]

Yesn't

[serene siren]

Quite good actually, considering the size

[acoustic goblet]

Idk what to do

Every single person has a different case rec

And every single person has a different reason not to get a case

[serene siren]

#1 to me would be Dan A3 rn

If it gets even a neutral let alone positive response from GN it's worth recommending

Objectively speaking tho all the cases in question here are usable, it's just varying degrees of good

But the #1 of all of them to me would be the Dam A3

D31 if you don't live in the US is a fantastic alternative, very similar

Same level of quality if not a little better

The remaining ones I would say aren't quite up to this scratch

[sand atlas]

Cases are a super personal choice for a lot of people, especially when you start looking in the SFF community

[serene siren]

It's totally true, I didn't really make this clear (this is MFF btw) but It is a mostly subjective topic

And objectively they're all very usable

As long as none of them are like $100+ it's fine imo

Pick your favourite

[viscid patrol]

$1000 case

[chilly path]

I mean
If it's all forged titanium
It could be

Or some crazy stuff like that

[viscid patrol]

Yeah I remember Linus covering like a casted case that was one piece and was like 1k