cases-psu-and-cooling

[tame cape]

Apparently it's new, the seller bought it less than 3 months ago, includes Amazon warranty

[blissful thistle]

Nice

[lapis rivet]

When your PC is pulling over 500watts while cruising at FL350 in MSFS…at least according to APC lol

[sand atlas]

That's AC load, your DC converted load will be a lot lower depending on your power supply efficiency

80 plus bronze you're probably looking at 450W to the components

Gold maybe 490W

[tame cape]

I'm currently looking at the c750 cables that came with the psu, i guess they are all original (they all look the same), but I noticed the cpu ones (eps 4+4) have slightly different connectors

Second one looks right, just a standard eps cpu connector, but it's not labeled "cpu" like the other one. First one has different pin shapes (that don't match the eps standard entirely), is that a normal thing? Or could it be from a different power supply?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/u21f2v/cpu_cable_from_the_psu_does_not_match_the_socket/
This person also has the same shaped pins on the cpu connector, I'm assuming it's just a normal thing

[sand atlas]

That's very common in power supplies tbh

The shape standard is more like a guideline and there's nothing stopping them from just using the notched shape on all the pins, as long as they make it clear it's for the CPU or PCIe

[tame cape]

Its just strange that i have tow different looking connectors

It's a used psu, so it could also be that one is from a different model, I'll cheek that just to be safe

[sand atlas]

If you're worried you can grab a multimeter and check that the pinout is the same on both and the resistance is similar

[tame cape]

Thats what I was about to do, but the battery is dead and I can't find a 9v one :/

[full folio]

Is thisa good psu because some rating says that it stopped working after 3 months

[mild roost]

it's b tier

but should be good

[full folio]

what do you mean ?

[mild roost]

there's a psu tier list pinned in this channel

also don't let one bad review scare you, DOAs happen but the odds of it happening to someone is low

[full folio]

ok thanks man

[bleak holly]

You should only be concerned about DOAs (Dead On Arrival) when the majority of reviews are like that. Otherwise, it shouldn't be a concern.

[full folio]

https://www.newegg.com/global/qa-en/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-850-w/p/N82E16817701021

i bought this one

[bleak holly]

Should be fine.

[old wharf]

Hello, will gtx 750 work with this product from shopee? I'm gonna buy a temporary pc for some experimental purpose that's why, here's the link:

https://ph.shp.ee/5mdcvqb

I also wanted to know if the psu will work with it? Thx

[serene siren]

Pretty woeful specs

You'd probably find better used in a laptop or something

[sand atlas]

GTX 750 is old enough that there's no current driver support so don't expect to run any modern games

[old wharf]

What's better tho

Something to expensive since it'll be just my temporary pc anyway

[serene siren]

Used laptop

In PH laptops are worth it vs a desktop

Pay same price get a screen a battery and a keyboard

Good igpu laptop even

Really won't be difficult to beat a 750

[mild roost]

^

[dusk galleon]

Dropping in for a kinda dumb question, but I assume there's PsUs meant for smaller Itx cases, right? I have a smaller Itx cases, but my current PSU makes it very hard to cable manage in it

Believe it's a D31 case, PSU is pretty cramped up there

[elfin trout]

Yea, there's sfx and sfx-l as smaller PSU standards

[dusk galleon]

Haven't heard of those before, thanks

My current PSU (a GF1 850w if I recall) was kinda a struggle to fit in there

Sorta want to replace it if I ever jump to am5

[sand atlas]

They have different hole patterns so make sure your case supports it or get an adapter bracket

[dusk galleon]

Noted

I'll have to look into it soon

Maybe i'll try asking other D31 owners what they use

[sand atlas]

The jonsbo one?

[dusk galleon]

yeah

The one with no screen

[sand atlas]

That one only supports ATX power supplies so you'd need an adapter

[dusk galleon]

Ah, I see

Cable managing with the ATX psu is kinda a mess

Or I am just bad at it

Thought a smaller PSU could help with that

[sand atlas]

You'd still have the same cables but at least you'd have more room to tuck excess

[dusk galleon]

Yeah, current one tucking sucks

Can't fit more than one sata SSD with how cables are

And I doubt they make AM5 ATX boards with more than two nvme slots lol

[sand atlas]

They absolutely do

They have micro ATX ones with 3

[dusk galleon]

Oh they do?

Might do that then

I'll have to look into them

[sand atlas]

These all have 4 M.2 slots but one is E key for wifi modules
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/ckhFf7,qcbRsY,FcbRsY/

I personally have the livemixer and besides the color scheme (which I don't care about) and the fact the M.2 ports don't support SATA M.2 I'm extremely happy with it. I added in a wifi module from my old board.

[dusk galleon]

And these would all fit in the D31

They all look good

I don't need to worry about wifi

[sand atlas]

Yep they'd fit

[dusk galleon]

Do they all fit standard m.2 storage drives? Or a smaller size

Cannot tell from the listings

[sand atlas]

Yep standard drives

Except the E key slot that fits 2230 mini cards for wifi

As long as it's NVMe then it'll work in the other 3 long slots

[sand atlas]

The compare page I linked tells you

2280 is the standard size

[dusk galleon]

Gotcha

Might save up for a 4tb NVME

Since I wont be using sata

Or mayne that's overkill

[sand atlas]

Most people don't need that much storage

(I'm not most people, I have 17TB and counting)

[dusk galleon]

Fair enough

2tb nvmes are getting cheap anyways

[sand atlas]

You can always do 2x 2 TB and save the third slot for later if you need it

[dusk galleon]

Rn i have a 1tb for a boot drive and a 2tb for storage

Then a 2tb sata but don't have much on that

[sand atlas]

Hmm, 4TB drives aren't as expensive as they used to be. MP34 is $225, not much more than dual 2TB

[dusk galleon]

Yeah

Made me think bout one

But upgrading to AM5 seems pricey

[sand atlas]

It balances out to the same as a midrange Intel since you can save money on the cooler

[dusk galleon]

Would my current cooler transfer to AM5? I have a

Lemme check

It's a noctua air cooler, U12 I think?

[sand atlas]

Yes 100%

Noctua is fantastic about that

Contact them and they'll send you the AM5 bracket for free

(If you didn't have one)

[dusk galleon]

Ah nice

Don't think mine has one

[sand atlas]

No adapter or new bracket needed, maybe I was thinking of a different brand like Arctic?
https://noctua.at/en/amd-am5-all-you-need-to-know

[dusk galleon]

Wondering, what CPU would be a worthwhile upgrade from a 5800x3d? Unsure of how AM5 is right now preformance wise

[dusk galleon]

Ah, works out then

[sand atlas]

The 7600 is effectively equal to the 5800X3D so either go for a 7800X3D or wait for next gen

The 7800X3D being up to a good 25% better than non 3D

[dusk galleon]

Ah

Is it worth the jump to am5 yet or not really then

[sand atlas]

In your case I'd say no, unless you're doing nothing but 1080p competitive gaming

[dusk galleon]

Gotcha

[sand atlas]

Next gen Zen 5 is supposed to have the lower models equal the 7800X3D in gaming but that's just a rumor. It's a common rumor but still, take it with grains of salt.

[dusk galleon]

I'm currently with high refresh 1440p

[sand atlas]

Yeah 5800X3D is plenty for that

[dusk galleon]

Gotcha

Just paired with a 4070

[sand atlas]

Yeah what you have could handle a 4080 or 7900 XTX at 1440p

4090 is 4k or nothing

[dusk galleon]

Makes sense lol

Mainly got the 4070 cause it's small space wise and efficent

No real reason to jump to AM5 then

Might get a new AM4 mobo at some point, my front USB connector is busted

[sand atlas]

You can do an adapter or PCIe card instead

Much cheaper

[dusk galleon]

True enough

Might look into getting the screen for this case, probably not the best for airflow though

I have the PSU fan pointing out

[gentle nimbus]

Hopefully 7800x3d performance under 300

[sand atlas]

That's the rumor at least. Even the low end chips will be a good 20% or so better than their current gen counterparts so it'll be an easy match for X3D without compromising on clock speeds.

[serene siren]

New Dan case is a disappointment

It's literally a Jonsbo D31 with a side fan bracket and mesh

[tawny oxide]

I saw that

The A3? @serene siren

[sand atlas]

It's a D31 clone but you actually have room to work in at least. It's an option for the niche it's targeting.

[serene siren]

I'm still let down tho

It's likely going to cost like 2-3x that of the D31

Cos "DAN"

[sand atlas]

And that's the part that's niche

[serene siren]

I feel bad for all the Dan's in the world

They won't know how much cheaper life would be if they were named Jon bo

[tawny oxide]

Back in my early pc building days, my ideal case was an Lian Li Lancool II mesh

[sand atlas]

That's still a decent airflow case by today's standards too

I was also happy to see my Torrent repping the top of almost every chart in the new GN reviews

[tawny oxide]

Fractal torrent?

[sand atlas]

Yep

The only thing it was weak on was the standardized fan setup, but it comes with giant 180mm x2 and 140mm x2 so there's little reason to change that

[tawny oxide]

I saw one on eBay for $40 last week

Someone got it or they deactivated the listing

I was gonna grab it

[dusky rapids]

https://a.co/d/hbwfMne

Is the h9 flow legit?

[sand atlas]

It's ok

Not worth the price to me but it can get the job done

[dusky rapids]

I just want a nice cool for the 7900xtx and 7800x3d

[sand atlas]

Make sure to add some bottom fans for that GPU then

[dusky rapids]

Arctic fans nice?

[sand atlas]

P12 and P14 are good yes

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[sand atlas]

C12C and C14C are better priced, plus you get rgb

[dusky rapids]

Nah I don’t want rgb they hurt my eyes too much lol😭

[sand atlas]

Fair enough, I try to minimize it in my personal rig too

[dusky rapids]

Just gonna build a nice all black pc

[sand atlas]

You can save some money on the cooler for the 7800X3D also. It runs super cool, to the point a single tower air cooler is more than enough.

[dusky rapids]

Ahh ok

I was gonna throw on the Arctic freezer 3 it’s seem trustworthy

[sand atlas]

The liquid freezer 3? That's way overkill

You could run the 7950X off the 240mm one

[dusky rapids]

Ahh alright

[sand atlas]

Thermalright air coolers have been dominating the market lately, both in price and performance. One of these would be plenty. https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/q6H7YJ,ddstt6,L7dG3C,khJp99/

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[blissful thistle]

Check out the phantom spirit evo

Looks sick for a blackout build

Or ak620 zero dark

[dusky rapids]

Alright

[serene siren]

@sharp fox was it you who said you wanted a wooden 2500D?

The GN review is... amusing 💀

https://youtu.be/jIu8TToPY3A?si=AS2WrfYOKW80ZvV8

[sharp fox]

no not me lol

[serene siren]

Ah alr

[sharp fox]

wood case sounds like a fire hazard

[serene siren]

The review is funny though, it has a ton of options but nothing works together

It's like looking at SFF but in a full case

Except the compromise is incompetency

It's such a weird case

It makes the King95 look 10x better @sand atlas @blissful thistle @tender rapids

[sand atlas]

That case is quite simply embarrassing and no one should buy it. I can't believe any designer looked at that finished product and said "this is fine".

[serene siren]

It really laughs in the face of the older 1st gen airflow cases

3000D, 4000D decent

220T was actually good

Idk why people hate it

Like a fractal meshify compact but with a metal face plate instead of a mesh intake

But the thermals still worked fine. I could push about 600W flat power through it without the case heating up too much

Meanwhile this 💀

Got my mesh filters peeling off

Corsair quality man

Oh god this whole case screams "we need to be cheap but premium"

[tender rapids]

Yo the king95 pro blue is sick for $100 rn

Ngl

I really wanna pick it up

[serene siren]

Go get one, it has my recommendation

[tender rapids]

Just so I can show people my big ugly fish tank PC

[serene siren]

Full fishtank dual chamber with max fans and controller for $100

Your only catch is blue theme

[tender rapids]

The a580 is about to shine

I'm going to purposely vertical mount it

Just so it's this goofy asf dual fan GPU staring into your eyes asking why you wasted your time doing this

[tender rapids]

https://youtu.be/68ugkg9RePc?si=aHlsE_r4Sk4-YNgI

[serene siren]

I went through a phase where I listened to this for like 2 months straight

[tender rapids]

Regain this phase

@serene siren

BLUE

[serene siren]

BLUEEEEE

[tender rapids]

BLUE!!!!!

☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀☠️💀

@serene siren BLUEEEEEE

[serene siren]

BLUUUUUUUUU

[tender rapids]

SACRE BLEU

[serene siren]

https://tenor.com/view/big-fat-liar-marty-wolf-paul-giamatti-frankie-muniz-amanda-bynes-gif-14390185

[tender rapids]

OUI OUI 🥖

[mild roost]

https://videocardz.com/newz/seasonic-to-launch-prime-tx-1600-noctua-edition-power-supply

y tho

another noctua pc part product

[sand atlas]

So they can make the all Noctua PC even more Noctua-y
https://youtu.be/TFE9wfAfudE?si=qzhov0w90265ixto

[serene siren]

So what you're telling me is

Instead of just, you know modding the psu to have one

I can now spend 60% over MSRP for a noctua one?

[sand atlas]

Nono it's the brown accent on the outside you're paying for. You totally couldn't do that with some acrylic paint.

I wonder if the cables will be brown and tan too

[serene siren]

You mean I don't need to pay a third party company $30 for noctua brown cables???

I just need to pay $500 instead of $300??

YOOOOOOOO

[sand atlas]

Exactly, that way you can be sure it's all color matched exactly (it won't be)

[chilly path]

https://www.darkflash.com/product/leoatx
Cheap case with a mesh front and space for 6 fans, yey or nay?

[long sphinx]

be quiet's and montech's new cases really interest me

just watched some videos of their booths at computex

this but in black is fire

[tame cape]

Has the corsair 3500x case came out recently?

Just found it on amazon, rgb version for €120 and to me it looks nice, any reviews already out?

I do think that there are other cases out there that look almost the same for a lower price, since many other manufacturers are making a ton of fish tank pc cases but idk if this corsair product is somehow more reliable than a cheaper case

[sand atlas]

I haven't seen anything on the 3500X, just computex coverage, but I have seen the 6500D/6500X (and you should avoid those like the plague)

[tame cape]

Not a big fan of those enormous cases but I think they look ok, just nothing new, many other cases had that look already

[hoary kite]

what psu does this pc have? theres no info on the specs https://www.newegg.com/p/3D5-000Z-000S0?Item=9SIA1HJJJ13869

[elfin trout]

Often omitted when they use multiple different psus under the same prebuilt model

[hoary kite]

oh weird, ty

[blissful thistle]

From what I know

They use the Thermaltake smart white or gold

The white is a bomb

The gold is passable

I would not buy that pc anywhere near that price

[hoary kite]

whats the next cheapest good option?

[blissful thistle]

Are you completely against building yourself?

[hoary kite]

ideally it would be prebuilt, but i guess building isnt totally out of the question

[blissful thistle]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125941883552?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=adPvFaB-S6q&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=r8em-zv_qyc&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

This is solid

Cheap too

Gpu is a good bit better than the 1650 too, 4gb vram will struggle with almost any new title (ofc not including non demanding ones)

Warzone 1 barely 60fps ran on a 1650, warzone 2 you'd be lucky to get 30

[hoary kite]

doesnt it have 16gb of ram?

i dont know much about this lol

[idle brook]

Yea but that's ram not vram

[blissful thistle]

There's system ram (dram) and the gpus ram, vram (video ram)

The 1650 has 4gb, and the pc has 16gb

The more vram a gpu has the more higher quality images it can display, but this doesn't mean more vram automatically means better

If the gpu itself is too weak to make use of the extra vram, then that vram sits doing nothing

[hoary kite]

oh neat, ty

[blissful thistle]

The 580 itself performs a good bit better than a 1650

Around 30-40% if I remember right

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h4PWh3

You could do that if you built yourself, and then either a used gpu or a 6600/7600 new

Those gpus are both far better than the 1650 and 580

[hoary kite]

alright ty

[blissful thistle]

This would be ideal
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tjq2yg

Better cpu, and I added a wifi card because I assumed you do not have access to ethernet

[hoary kite]

i do

i use it for my xbox one

[blissful thistle]

Here is with the 6600, and dope that's even better
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8kbQJy

And if you want I can add rgb and make it look nicer

Without spending much extra

Oh and more storage

I forgot it's a 512gb ssd in there not 1tb, 512 fills up pretty fast

[blissful thistle]

Hey check dms

[tame cape]

Can someone explain to me some things about UPSs? I need one able to power my pc drawing 550w for at least 30m. And another one that lasts 1h or more with a 100w max load

[hoary kite]

bro what

uhh lemme resend

oh

no image perms

im so stupid lol

will this be a problem when building?

The Apevia Prestige 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply length of 160mm is within the Cougar Archon 2 Mesh RGB ATX Mid Tower Case maximum of 160mm, but exceeds the recommended length of 140mm. Please verify that the connector locations on the power supply will not interfere with the structure of the case.

[sand atlas]

The specs for that case state

Max. PSU Length *160 (mm) / 6.3 (in)

• When install a 360mm radiator at the front, the maximum PSU length is 140mm.
  So as long as you're not using a 360mm AIO on the front, 160mm PSU will fit.

[hoary kite]

ohh ok ty

[blissful thistle]

Can I use rmx cables for a CXM

Corsair site is confusing

And the cxm I ordered I thought came with pcie power, it does not

[elfin trout]

RMx 2021 would be type 3 pcie, and CXm would also be type 3 pcie, so it should work

Corsair naming with type 3 and type 4 is very badly done

[blissful thistle]

Cool tysm

Yeah I thought that was the case, but it was too confusing for me to be comfortable enough trying it

[tame cape]

which pins do I have to short in order to start this psu? hp pa 1181 3ha

usually green cable is power on but you always have to double check with hp

meanwhile gray = power good and purple = standby

usually

[sand atlas]

What motherboard does it go to? There's usually a pinout for that

[tame cape]

I don't know where the psu comes from

[sand atlas]

Hmm I'll see what I can dig up but it might take a bit

Motherboard part number is 922075-001

Goes to a ProDesk 600 G3, 6th/7th gen Intel

@tame cape I'm not able to find the exact answer for this exact model either. I'd say just probe it yourself.

[tame cape]

Ok, thanks. I'll test it out and see if it works

[blissful thistle]

These claim to work for a CXM

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Corsair-Thermaltake-Modular-ARESGAME/dp/B09ZD6FV1X/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?

Trustworthy?

[long sphinx]

https://youtu.be/eltDIwn0aQ8?si=IX1oChrajBLtTVc3

[blissful thistle]

@ember depot sorry for the ping just wanted to check before ordering

Are those types of cables off amazon trustworthy or should I contact corsair

[fierce pivot]

Personally wouldn't risk, Corsair cables don't seen to be too bad price wise if you can afford

[blissful thistle]

Grabbing a pcie cable for $15 used after shipping off hws

Ty for the response, I figured without one I'd rather be safe than sorry

[serene siren]

@blissful thistle@sand atlas https://www.antec.com/product/case/cx200m-rgb-elite

Interesting new case caught my eye

Catch 22 is the hdd cage and psu are basically where the intake is located

But with that in mind it otherwise looks good

[nova oar]

I was just putting the side panel back on while installing updates and something about a psu cable caught my eye

Is that gonna be an issue or is it mostly cosmetic

[serene siren]

Can you see shiny metal

[nova oar]

Generally the power supplies I handle are either braided or thick and flat so this is a new one for me

No but it looks kinda deep

[serene siren]

If no shiny metal, still cosmetic

[nova oar]

Hmmm

Okay

[serene siren]

May have indented the core a bit but shouldn't produce issues

[nova oar]

Yeah I’m just worried because well psu is the heart of the build

[serene siren]

Just make sure it's all plugged in properly

[nova oar]

That’s another thing I swear this psu does not click as much as my previous builds

[serene siren]

If it's plugged in properly then as long as it's a good unit you'll have redundancy if it causes a problem

[nova oar]

It’s a gx 750 from Seasonic

[serene siren]

Yeah just make sure it's all plugged in properly

12vhpwr especially

Gx is really good

[nova oar]

It’s a 6800 no 12v

[serene siren]

It'll notice before you do if it has a problem

[nova oar]

Just the two regular 8 pins

[serene siren]

Then even less likely to have a problem

8 pins have so much redundancy you can run a 6800 off of only 1

It's ok

[nova oar]

Thats the new cable 4090s started using right?

[serene siren]

12vhpwr is the new one

12+4

8 pin is old

[nova oar]

I meant the 12

[serene siren]

I reckon it'll be ok

If you're worried swap it lol

[nova oar]

I mean it was from Amazon so really I could just send it back by dropping by ups

[serene siren]

You could

Or ask seasonic for a replacement cable

[nova oar]

True

[serene siren]

I really doubt it'll be a problem

[nova oar]

Realistically Amazon is faster

[serene siren]

If you show me what pin that leads to on the gpu I'll be even more confident if it's a ground pin

[nova oar]

It was the cpu 8 pin

Not a PCIe

[serene siren]

Oh what cpu

[nova oar]

Just a 5600

[serene siren]

Swap it for the other one

💀

Get seasonic to send another extra

[nova oar]

I don’t think it came with another

[serene siren]

You only need 1 eps plugged in

It should

750w yes?

[nova oar]

Yeh

Right

It does

[serene siren]

Standard cable pack is 3(+2) 8 pin pcie 2 eps 8 pin

[nova oar]

Smart

[serene siren]

Lol

I mean I've built enough PC's, with this psu too lol

[nova oar]

I forgot higher end boards use two cpu cables

[serene siren]

They can yes but don't need it

[nova oar]

Yeah usually for the OC nerds

[serene siren]

If at all

Only cpus that need it these days are i7's and i9's

[nova oar]

Not seeing any malformations on the other one

I’ll swap it out in the morning

[serene siren]

Ez

Then give seasonic a holler for the replacement

They'll probably mail it and not ask for the other returned

[nova oar]

What a weird malformation though

[serene siren]

I mean, it happens

[nova oar]

Looks like an animal but it lol

[serene siren]

Kinda yeah

[nova oar]

Bit*

I mean it was deep enough for me to notice while casually tucking cables in before slapping the side panel on

Ugh it kinda makes me wanna examine the others

[hoary kite]

how can i secure funko pops or other figures to the pc case?

i dont want them moving around

[glacial needle]

double sided tape maybe?

[sand atlas]

If you went the tape route it would need to be 3M tape, most others weaken over time in warm places

[hoary kite]

ty

what are all of the rgb settings on the archon 2 mesh rgb? i couldnt find anything online

[sand atlas]

They're ARGB fans so they plug into your motherboard to control the lighting. Should be the same as every other ARGB setup.

[hoary kite]

ty

[flat dust]

Question. I have an XFX 1250 WATT pro gold PSU in my current PC originally put together in 2012. I have never had any issues with it. Think it'll be fine to keep using it when I swap out my motherboard, CPU and GPU later this year. Or should I get a new one?

[serene siren]

Possibly?

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[sand atlas]

Probably fine? Unless you're planning on going for a 3090 or 4090, I don't think it could handle those transients.

[flat dust]

Maybe a 4070ti

[sand atlas]

Most likely that will be fine then

[tame cape]

Corsair 465x + 6 LL120 rgb + TR Peerless Assassin + arctic fan hub for €70 sound quite good

[serene siren]

It does

[tame cape]

Well if the seller manages to fit everything into a package that doesnt exceed max size and weight I'll get that

[tame cape]

They just broke the glass putting it in the package :///

[sand atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[tame cape]

Ill get it anyways. We settled on €55 for all components

Guess I'll build a plexiglass like side panel

[hoary kite]

im getting a 750w psu for my build that will likely need wayyy less than that. will too many watts cause the parts to overload?

its 80 plus bronze if that matters

[sand atlas]

Power supplies don't "push" power, the parts "pull" what they need and no more.

You can use a 1600W power supply on a system with a celeron and no GPU and it's fine, just less efficient when it's that extreme

[hoary kite]

ahh i see ty

[visual fjord]

And kinda a waste of money too

But that's another issue

[mild roost]

that's why they're called power supplies

not power feeder or something

it's a supply of power, a regulated one

[visual fjord]

power pumper

imagine that was what it was called

https://tenor.com/view/cargando-gif-10528529653265737070

Just like this is called a throbber

[runic timber]

I have these PSUs available:
MSI A650BN
GIGABYTE P650G
FSP HV PRO 650

what should i get? they're mostly around $60 with the HV PRO being the cheapest by like, $10

r5 5600
rtx 2080ti

[tawny oxide]

@runic timber

[runic timber]

yes i researched, all of the mentioned are in C-tier

[tawny oxide]

Anything that appears on a, b, or even c tier is fine

I have the MSI 550 one
It hasn’t blown up yet

[runic timber]

cool cool

thanks, I'll wait for other suggestions though

[tawny oxide]

Good idea

[blissful thistle]

abn is the best of the three

[runic timber]

thanks techie literally ordering rn

[mint terrace]

Is this ok? I just wanted to know yall opinion since my ass is paranoid

[glacial needle]

I don't see any issue with it

[mint terrace]

Thanks for assurance

[runic timber]

the sticker? I like the touch

[mint terrace]

Not a sticker

It's uhh

Nylon hook loop! Something like that but yeah it was my idea to hide the pig tails.

[runic timber]

it's a nice addition! :)

[hoary kite]

can a power outage damage a pc thats turned off?

[mild roost]

no

[blissful thistle]

Power outage, no

Power surge, potentially

[hoary kite]

ty

[tawny oxide]

What is this case
I can’t be that stupid

[sand atlas]

Yo an M disk player? That's kinda rare to see these days

They're supposed to be readable after 1000 years when stored properly

[serene siren]

Raidmax viper
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4542/raidmax_viper_mid_tower_chassis_review/index.html

[tawny oxide]

I was searching through antek
I knew I was wrong

[runic timber]

what about a pc turned on? what's an AVR or a UPS do?

[blissful thistle]

Protect the pc

Never heard of an avr though

In this context it sounds like it'd do the same thing

[blissful thistle]

@fringe granite

[fringe granite]

ty

[blissful thistle]

Ty

[cyan condor]

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811320063

How good is this case

[blissful thistle]

There's $60-70 cases that are just as good if not better

[cyan condor]

Price aside

My friend wants it and doesn’t care about price

Trust me i tried

[blissful thistle]

It is certainly a case

It's fine, jokes aside

[hoary epoch]

So I've considered swapping out my Corsair 5000D case with a smaller case but still offer the same parts compatibility, and I spotted a Jonsbo D41 mesh screen for $135 I feel it's a good value but I'm not sure

I'd like the secondary screen as I can display my renders on it at 1200x800

[serene siren]

D41 is an amazing case @hoary epoch

100% gonna be good

[hoary epoch]

Cause I've been on the hunt for downsizing to itx but I gave up as doing that would my parts value up

[hoary epoch]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tY7TQP this is what is would be looking like in list terms

[slim venture]

We got the same problem lmaooo

Literally the same gpu and cpu

I think I’m gonna go this route as it’ll offer the most compatibility for my parts rn

Lian Li A3-mATX-26.3L Micro Form Factor Chassis-Flexible Power Supply Installation-No Fans Included-Supports 360mm AIO-Modularity Design-For M-ATX and ITX Motherboard-DAN Collaboration-White (‎A3W.US) https://a.co/d/eJMUE1j

[serene siren]

A3 is basically the same thing but with mesh and fan brackets on the side, no screen option and a side psu orientation

As D31

AP201 in the same boat but larger, IM01/Pro also share a lot of similarities but smaller

A3 is good tho, just food for thought alternatives

[slim venture]

Yeah I’m a low temps kinda fella

Need maximum mesh openness

[serene siren]

3 out of those 4 suggestions have no glass and mostly mesh

[slim venture]

Didnt even realize they made these after I just ordered a mini itx z690 board which I will be returning for a matx board that’s like 80$ cheaper lmao

[serene siren]

Lol

IM01 pro in particular is as mesh-ified as Dan A3

It's also invertible

AP201 is like, bigger dan A3

[slim venture]

Yeah my biggest issue is my rad

I don't really wanna get something new tbh

360mm it just hard to fit

[blissful thistle]

Boop
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tGmmP6/asrock-b760m-pg-riptide-micro-atx-lga1700-motherboard-b760m-pg-riptide

[slim venture]

Is b760 the superior chipset over z690?

I already had a z690 board in my cart as that’s what I have currently

[blissful thistle]

Well what cpu do you have/are buying?

The main benefit of a z board is cpu overclocking

[slim venture]

Just replacing the board for my 12700k

Ya I need that

[blissful thistle]

Ah

What z690 are you looking at?

[slim venture]

Thanks for the rec tho

[blissful thistle]

Also ddr5 or 4?

[slim venture]

The same thing as the one you sent me just their z690 lineup

5

Had to make sure

[blissful thistle]

Ah, how much is it?

[slim venture]

109

[blissful thistle]

Oh dope

[slim venture]

Steal imo

[blissful thistle]

100%

[slim venture]

Considering how much I just paid for that mini itx board

[blissful thistle]

Z690m pg riptide, just to clarify?

[slim venture]

Yup

[blissful thistle]

Didn't even know that existed lol

[slim venture]

Asrock Z690M PG RIPTIDE/D5 14th, 13th & 12th Gen Intel® Core™ Processors (LGA1700) DDR5 6000MHz (OC) 13 Phase Dr.MOS Power Design Windows® 10 64-bit / 11 64-bit https://a.co/d/aHGzGmI

Same

Gotta dig sometimes

Sick board tho

And I’m pretty sure it fits in that lian li case I sent

Build about to go silly

[runic timber]

my friend bday is in august his sisters are asking me to help suggest a gift they're agreeing on a pc case

what's a decent MATX case that's preferably on the smaller side of MATX cases?

needs to support Dual fan AIO and a standard PSU

budget $40-60max

side panel too bc he likey d ar gee bee inside

[runic timber]

he says he'd like a ITX kinda build that fits an AIO and mATX mobo

[serene siren]

60 is too low for all of those things

D31, Z20, IM01 Pro

Vanilla im01 comes close but needs the glass side panel bought separately

And also doesn't do dual fan aio

[runic timber]

thanks for the suggestions

holy crap D31 looks stunning

idk about this though

[serene siren]

Jonsplus z20

[runic timber]

they all look great, except for the z-20 i only see phones

okay thank you

i love these

yeah thank you for the suggestiosn

i'll probably also snag one of these as a last upgrade

[serene siren]

Np

Dan A3 is a runner up but costs a fair bit more for glass as well

[runic timber]

what's the cheapest of the bunch?

mATX mobo compatible right

this is what i found so far

[blissful thistle]

I love these cases so much

The z20 plus specifically

[chilly path]

D31/D41 is pretty goated if you want to use matching fans

[shrewd urchin]

any expert can help me?

[sand atlas]

?ask

[final patio]

Don't ask to ask, just ask!

https://dontasktoask.com/

[shrewd urchin]

does this PSU fit into this case?

PSU: https://www.rockinit.co.za/product/inwin-be-series-b65e-650w-80-bronze-atx-power-supply/

CASE: https://www.newegg.com/p/11-146-358?Item=11-146-358&cm_sp=product-_-from-price-options

I will swap case to add a better cpu cooler

here is my current pc, I asked the support if other components fits in nd they said yes but if you can check it as well i would really appreciate it

Current pc: https://www.netonnet.se/art/gaming/gamingdator/stationar-gamingdator/medion-erazer-engineer-p10-md35219-white/1021238.12917/

@sand atlas

ig ur sleeping

srry if i disturbed you

@ me if anyone help (will probably be sleeping)

[elfin trout]

It's a standard ATX PSU that is 140mm long by specs, case supports up to 200mm by specs, it'll be fine

[shrewd urchin]

aight thanks anyone more can check please? just to make sure 100000%

@languid topaz

[languid topaz]

Top panel supports radiators up to 360mm in length. Up to 365mm GPU and 200mm PSU clearance; Product Dimensions 140 x 150 x 86 mm (L x W x H)

[shrewd urchin]

so everything fits well?

[languid topaz]

seems like it should be okay. I'm just seeing if there's any variation to the height & width since the lengtth should fit np

all it says is PSU length 200mm on nzxt's website. I think the other dimensions are standardized

okay ya 150x86mm is standardized

only the other dimension varies based on form factor

but the one you sent is less than 200mm so you should be good to go with 50mm of cable area lol

[shrewd urchin]

oh alr

Idc about the cables just every part fits then i'm good

[shrewd urchin]

I need more help

Is this CPU cooler compatible with this motherboard

BaseBoard Manufacturer MEDION
BaseBoard Product B560H6-EM

CPU cooler: https://www.proshop.se/CPU-flaektar/NZXT-Kraken-360-White-RGB-CPU-Vattenkylare-Max-31-dBA/3130781

Please any mods answer asap because i need to order

@languid topaz

@open gate

@fringe granite @grand ether

[fierce pivot]

Please don't mass ping people they'll answer when they have time and when they see it

Yes it will

[shrewd urchin]

srry

and thank you very much

[languid topaz]

you rarely have issues with AIOs fitting as the part that mounts on the CPU is typically much smaller than air coolers. Where you'd run into potential problems is typically (a) the radiator that comes with the AIO (360mm in your instance) is too large for the case or (b) the AIO does not have mounting hardware for the CPU socket you're using. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you're using a B560H6, your CPU is either 10th or 11th generation Intel? If so you'd want to check that the AIO is compatible with Intel socket LGA1200. While I'd need a translation to be 100% sure, it appears it is compatible (see picture)

[shrewd urchin]

This is my cpu 11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-11700F

[sand atlas]

That's LGA 1200, which is on the compatibility list

[shrewd urchin]

aight thanks

i will get the case tomorrow and the cooler also tomorrow or 24th

[visual fjord]

oof the price tho

nzxt always demands a higher price for no particularly good reason haha

[shrewd urchin]

do you think the cooler is good?

[fierce pivot]

It's not, would be better off with a thermalright aio if you really want one, they run about 50-60$

[shrewd urchin]

link?

[fierce pivot]

Otherwise a thermalright peerless assassin

Just look up thermalright aio they're all good and on Amazon

[shrewd urchin]

my pc sounds like a plane when i edit videos so

idk if it will be good

[opal night]

Sounds like you need to download Fan Control and set your fans to a fixed speed rather than Temperature controlled and see how warm things get. You can leave your case fans on like, 65-70 percent and let the CPU fan go fast, reduce some noise, etc

https://getfancontrol.com/

[shrewd urchin]

I already bought the parts but i will use this too

thank you

[old heron]

So question if anyone knows. is the shift 850 PSU from Corsair compatible with the Phanteks NV5? And if so is it worth it to get for the form factor, ATX 3.1 support, and white PSU cables over a 1000W Seasonic Focus GX? (120$ for the White Corsair SHIFT, 110$ for the 1000W Seasonic)

Specifically
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xfLdnQ/corsair-rm850x-shift-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-side-interface-atx-power-supply-cp-9020274-na
VS
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W2zXsY/seasonic-focus-gx-1000-atx-30-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-1000

[blissful thistle]

I'd choose the first specifically bc you're going for a white build

[old heron]

Yeah, mainly just wondering if it'd actually work in the NV5 (as unlike the 7 or 9 it has the standard mid-tower formfactor and PSU cage sans it being cut off early which doesn't facttor there as the SHIFT has it....well Shifted)

But is there really any reason to get a 1000W PSU anymore lol?

[blissful thistle]

What cpu/gpu is the psu going to be supporting? The rmx is among the best psus, and the 850 could run a 14900k/7950x3d with a 4090

With a 4090 I typically suggest a 1000w psu just because if you're spending $1600-1700 on a gpu, you can spend $25 more on your psu

[old heron]

7800X3D (Already bought) and at the moment leaning 4080

[blissful thistle]

Otherwise it's pretty much a moot point

Yeah you're fine. 7800x3d won't exceed 90w gaming

You'd likely be fine with a good 650w lmao, let alone the rmx shift 850

[old heron]

Primarily thinking on the 4080 because the very latest stuff coming out that RTX 5000 won't be out until 2025 and me wanting to sell my old rig.etc by the end of the year lol (3900X+3080-12GB)

[blissful thistle]

You could steal the gpu from your current rig and sell the rest

That'd what I'd do personally

[old heron]

Yeah, but the rest of the rig would be harder to sell without it lol

[blissful thistle]

Eh, parting out especially you'd be fine

Selling it as a whole aside from gpu you'd def find someone on fb marketplace or r/hardwareswap

[old heron]

Well, the 3900X doesn't have a iGPU specifically

is the thing that makes me have pause on selling it wholesale and being "Oh yeah you just need the most expensive part of the PC to use it" and it not being wholesale

[blissful thistle]

Yeah but there's people who want the ease of an already built pc, or are just looking for a pc to put a gpu they already have into

You could also grab a gpu to put into the current build to resell

Doesn't have to be something expensive, new something like 7600/6750xt, used your options are countless

[old heron]

Well still building the new PC over time. (Got the CPU, Mobo, and a new SSD to go with heh)

[blissful thistle]

I wouldnt suggest doing that unless you can test the parts when you get them

[old heron]

and also I run a 4K set, so not really wanting to part with the 3080-12GB that soon

[blissful thistle]

Ah yeah that makes sense

[old heron]

Like, it's not like I'm getting random cheapo parts (7800X3D, got the GIgabyte B650E ICE mobo, and the SK Hynix Platinium)

[blissful thistle]

Yeah, but a part could be doa and you don't know it

Quality control is never 100%

[old heron]

Well no real alternative with the current economic situation lol

[blissful thistle]

You could grab the ram next, and get your pc running with the 7800x3d

[old heron]

Not really though without fully dissasembling my current

which would be a hassle and a half

[blissful thistle]

Would be worth it to make sure everything works imo

And get a performance boost in the meantime while waiting for the rest to come in

[old heron]

Well, also becuase I sort of have pause on dissasembling my PC and reassembling more than nessecary?

primarily as the PCIE latch thing fell off on my mobo

[blissful thistle]

Oh that's not a problem lol, same thing on my old mobo

[old heron]

the extender for it

[blissful thistle]

The pcie lock

It's really unneeded as long as the gpu has support from at least the case, If it's heavy an additional support stand

[old heron]

Yeah and my GPU has one. (MSI Z Trio)

It's just eh

[blissful thistle]

It's up to you, but I would 100% suggest it

[old heron]

Even then, more pressing thing, i don't have mounting hardware for AM5

so would be extra cost, shipping, instalation stuff, reinstnallation for the old stuff

[blissful thistle]

Am5 uses the same bracket

[old heron]

IIRC people wiht Liquid Freezer 2's who bought it before AM5 had to ask for a new mount

Either way, so the Shift 850 would fit in the NV5? Despite the angle?

[blissful thistle]

As far as I know yes

[scenic lance]

Need help choosing a case second hand

• simple as possible, no fancy business, doesnt even need a psu shroud, looks dont matter.
• lots of room for radiators
• BIG
• moddable, no stupid unremoveable hard drive cages taking up half the case
• 2010-2015 realistically
• relatively cheap, i dont wanna pay over $60 for a 12 year old case

[slate creek]

Lots of room for rads + BIG + cheap doesn’t go together

[blissful thistle]

Coolermaster n400 might fit the bill, with removing the hdd bay?

[sand atlas]

Realistically shipping is the biggest cost of buying a secondhand case, so you're going to be looking at local markets like fbm.

Often you can find free cases on craigslist etc.

[scenic lance]

when i said simple i quite literally mean like a frame of metal and i thought that probably wont be too much since its just a frame with some mounts

[sand atlas]

You can call around local pc shops and see if they have anything they were going to recycle/throw out

[shrewd urchin]

Bro can you help me now?

@sand atlas

Installing the Kraken 360 rgb

But the usb to put on my motherboard there is no usb 2 port

how to install a kraken 360 on a bs560h6-em motherboard

@fringe granite

Look where is this on my motherboard?? I don’t see anything like

[shrewd urchin]

@solemn totem

@balmy badge

@mild roost

Answer anyone asap

Srry for @

[blissful thistle]

There should be a tutorial on YouTube

[shrewd urchin]

Yeah but on my motherboard I don’t see anything called F-USB-1

elitegroup ecs bh560h6-em

This is my motherboard

[blissful thistle]

Picture of the cable?

Oh one sec

I'll Google it you can't send pics

[shrewd urchin]

I can’t send pic here

Can I dm?

[blissful thistle]

It should work in any USB header

[shrewd urchin]

Can I send pics in your dm?

[blissful thistle]

Sure

[shrewd urchin]

Anyone else?? This niche guy has work so he couldn’t continue but thanks

[fringe granite]

don't mass ping like this again

[shrewd urchin]

Srry

Can you help me?

Pls

[fringe granite]

i'm busy

[shrewd urchin]

When can you help?

[mortal urchin]

Will a 650 watt psu be enough to power a 360 aio i7 9700k 3 fans 1060 gpu n 32gb of rgb ram

[opal night]

Yes

[mortal urchin]

Ty

[old heron]

Phanteks NV5 (Mk2) VS Antec C3 vs Phanteks XT View vs Thermaltake View 270

I would really like reverse-blade fans and best-matching asthetic fans in general for the case and would really like to not have to get a external fan hub/rgb controller if possible. (White for the color)

I know Phanteks is releasing the M25Gen2s (and Glacier One M25G2) soon, and after a email with their support they do say that it will have a way to adapt Linq6 to JST. But those fans may not fit best in other cases that only have 5v-ARGB as best not to double-adapt from Linq6 to JST to 5v-ARGB.

so what would be the best move? NV5 with M25G2s? Get an XT View and move the M25G1's for the bottom fans (Even though they'd be in a more eh fan-exposed stance as intakes on the bottom) and get a single 3-pack of M25G2s? Or would it actually be a good idea to have it be 3 intakes (sides and rear) and 6 exhuasts? (3 top 3 bottom with the M25G1s in exhaust mode)

Or should i look at the Antec C3 or Thermaltakes? Problem with the C3 seems to be I'd loose front I/O and all 3 sans the NV5 don't have a proper GPU bracket. And also I for the heck cannot find the white P12 (Antec) ARGB fans available for purchase stateside to fill out the bottom, much less top fan mounts (Be it paired with their AIO that comes with it which I also can't find, or placing them ontop of a cheaper AiO like a Thermalright)

Also another interesting longevity wrinkle is that the Antec and Thermaltake don't support back-connect mobos which the NV5MK2 and XT View do have

Will have to be a tower-case as I don't really have the room for a dual-chamber and even if I did I got a Corsair SHIFT PSU so if that would be the best price/feature option then it'd need to support it

[blissful thistle]

Xt view or c3

Best value

Also montech xr and sky two are worthwhile mentions

[old heron]

Yeah just can't find on if they include a PWM+ARGB fanhub like the XT and C3 (and the NV5????)

Thinking maybe going C3+one of these for the bottom fan with fan stickers (if I can find them) to make them match
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C4HR924V/ref=twister_B0CYCD3J5M?_encoding=UTF8&th=1

Question there though is...what AiO as that'd take the Glaciers off the list, and the Liquid Freezer 3 in white and 360 while being 110$ rn...takes 1-2 months to ship apparently lol

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xRdG3C/montech-hyperflow-argb-360-762-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-hyperflow-argb-360-white

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ywJp99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-a-rgb-699-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00151a

[old heron]

Yeah I know the Montech, and I'd rather not do the LF3240mm as it'd leave it a bit awkward on the case in most scenarios.

But then there's AiOs like this which are only 65$-70$
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-Frozen-Notte-Cooling-Cooler/dp/B0C5Q8365K

[blissful thistle]

Notte is very nice

Not lf3 quality, but it's pretty nice

Aqua elite v3 is pretty nice too

[old heron]

Yeah, just wondering how the Thermalright AiOs perform versus AiOs like the LF3 as competition of the high end would be the LF3 itself and presumably the Glacier One M25-Gen2 at the 110-130$ Range (the latter as it has the VRM fan setup now)

Pairing it with a 7800X3D for now so a bit overkill, but more for having all the fans filled for best airflow and potential futureproofing for whatever TDP a late-stage AM5 part would have

[blissful thistle]

Lf3 is literally as good as it gets

However 7800x3d can be cooled by a $17 air cooler

[old heron]

Yeah lol, again, the 360mm AiO is to more fil the top slot for GPU airflow purposes and futureproof if it turns out whatever SKU in 2027 is the best to buy for AM5 needs more than 65W lol

[blissful thistle]

I mean could just grab 3 120mm fans lol

And aios typically have a lifespan of 5 years or less

[old heron]

Sure, but a Air cooler in a case like the C3/NV5.etc just looks wrong

[blissful thistle]

Not if you get the right one, but to each their own

[old heron]

unless you get a low profile cooler which then you're hamstrining your capacity on cooling about as much as a 120mm aio

Unless there's a very nice and capable air cooler that'd work but considering everyone recommends the NHD13, not confident in that

[visual fjord]

All fan slots filled doesn't mean better airflow though

[chilly path]

Thermalright Frost Spirit 140

Basically top-tier cooling performance (can cool anything short of a 13/14900K[S] reliably) and it's like 40 bucks (methinks)

It hangs with 360mm AIOs in cooling performance while costing half as much as even the cheapest 360 AIO (TO MY KNOWLEDGE)

Air-cooling has gotten a long way

[old heron]

by low profile I mean single fan/fan facing out (asthetically)

as the standard tower coolers look eeeeeeeeeeeh

[serene siren]

Frozen Edge (and variants) are roughly equivalent to EK Nucleus CR360/CR240

But a bit louder

[chilly path]

I mean

[serene siren]

LF3 is good for AMD, but not good at all on intel

Mandatory mount ruins LF3 on intel

[chilly path]

Those "low-profile" coolers also have bad airflow configs

Cuz it feels like you're going 90% for fan look

So I'mma bow out because I'm irate and I'd say unnice things

[old heron]

Thinkning of getting the Montech Hyperflow, the block looks very nice and apparently it can actually hang up with the LF3-360/420 but at slightly louder noise levels on Intel

Also the main problem with the LF3 is PCIE5 Mobo heatsinks lol (the mandatory offset makes it poor AF for some boards as it'd smash into the M.2 heatsink)

[serene siren]

Got no idea about that montech, looks good

And yes LF3 has tons of compatibility problems

Frozen edge does not

And performs about the same for less

[past harbor]

Yea! FS140, super overkill on my 12400, but the quietness is great. The real test will be the new 14600K set at various wattages. 👍

[serene siren]

Thermalright will beat that

[old heron]

The 360 does run ~4C higher than the LF3-360 when trying to normalize to 40db tho, but <80C in this instance is more than good

[serene siren]

Impressive given Montech isn't big in the space though

[old heron]

One of their AiOs? or just the air cooler, not really keen on the air cooler primarily as this is being shoved into a fishtank case

[serene siren]

The air cooler will get hilariously close

But the equivalent AIO's from them will beat

They hang with the best due to excellent coldplate shape

[old heron]

So how does the notte perform as it's the one that asthetically is closest in "Cool" factor versus the Montech
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BDK4R8NC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

(Ref for the Montech IRL)

Although some errant data on the Montech, but it could be because Intel here (here it's right on the heels of the LF3 420, and the LF3 has a mandatory intel bracket)

And upping the wattage on Intel it becomes better than the LF3-420 in this test

[serene siren]

It's about the same give or take, a little bit better sometimes due to some sample variation

[old heron]

I will ask tho how is the mounting for AMD, as Montech's is very simple and easy

[serene siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxf4ZXJTNpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgkggcBBW8Q

[serene siren]

Very normal

[old heron]

Is this the normal mount for AM5?

[serene siren]

Aio's are usually easy af to mount

That's relatively normal yes

They'll either adopt a 2 or 4 point mount

Depending on brand

[old heron]

Yeah, I know Air can match up to water lately and is cheaper for that perf if you go for Thermalright (RIP Deepcool). But again, asthetics, also it gives me my 3 top exhausts included

[serene siren]

Oh mb I thought you said you were keen on air

[old heron]

Yeah, I just find them way too big and bulky especially in a rig that is ending up trying to get best asthetics/dollar along with best perf/dollar lol (Dang B650E ICE Deal)

[serene siren]

I'm not the guy you want to talk to for aesthetics 💀

But if you ask me, they have a ton of options, including cheap lcd options from TR using the edge design

[hoary kite]

what are the main differences between the couger archon 2 mesh and montech xr? other than the appearance

[blissful thistle]

The xr has nicer fans and build quality

These are also good
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BXtLrH/phanteks-xt-pro-ultra-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-dbk01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/tvFmP6/bitfenix-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-bfc-flo-300-kkgsk-4a

[dusk galleon]

I was wondering if a smaller PSU would allow me to cable manage better or maybe put in a fan up front in my current build, it’s a jonsobo d31. Or maybe if I should go with some sort of AIO?

Unsure about the PSU situation overall, have it in taking air up front

[blissful thistle]

@serene siren

[serene siren]

Flip it around

Ez

Doesn't need much

[dusk galleon]

Prob will next time I open it

[serene siren]

Cable management barely improves without a cable kit in these

[dusk galleon]

Yeah I just can’t cable manage

Especially in a smaller case

[serene siren]

Just do what you can

If you have a good psu, a custom kit is fine

[dusk galleon]

I forget the exact model but I think it was a gold rated thermal take

[serene siren]

Well if you can get a full replacement kit and the psu is like, 850W plus, it's gonna be your best bet

[dusk galleon]

The only intake fan feeding my cpu is one up top

[dusk galleon]

Yeah it’s 850

[serene siren]

The catch 22 with this size is you don't have any tidy holes

Gotta be creative or bite the bullet

[dusk galleon]

I mean I’m okay with a bit of spaghetti

Was just wondering if j could fit a fan up front

Probably not

[serene siren]

No point

Either you intake from outside or intake from inside and just leave it

[dusk galleon]

Made me wonder if an AIO would be better off than the one Intake and an air cooler

Meh

assume not

[serene siren]

Nope

As long as the bottom is occupied by gpu fans or normal fans it won't improve much at all

[dusk galleon]

Yeah, the bottom has fans decently below the gpu

Intakes

Well that solves that

Thanks

I’ll just stick to what I have

[viscid patrol]

What would I expect to spend to buy like, maybe like an 800w 80+ titanium PSU of good quality in Canada

I'm debating on upgrading my psu to something with more power efficiency since I leave my PC on to run some self hosted discord bots and such

[serene siren]

Given the way a pc will handle draw irl

You have to really be working a pc to make the efficiency gains worth it

[viscid patrol]

Hrm

[serene siren]

Otherwise it's a money dump for gains that take years to earn back

The lower your electricity bill, the harder it gets to justify quantifiably

[viscid patrol]

I see

[serene siren]

You can measurements this if you have a kill a watt

Or check average power after a day or two

Hwinfo will not read wall power tho

But the way I see it, if you net maybe, 20, 30 dollar loss? Not bad for efficiency gains

[viscid patrol]

I have a ups and it reports my average of being around 300w while technically idle

[serene siren]

But if you just run with it as a whole new sunk cost, it's a huge loss

[viscid patrol]

Technically as in the bots are running but I'm doing nothing

[serene siren]

300W is relatively low

High for idle

300W/h

Take what you just wrote, quantify that into 24 hours a day

Take 1/4 of the year (or whatever your billing cycle)

Use that number with both of those to get a rough power cost

Then you can work out when you would pay something like that off

[viscid patrol]

But how much would the PSU cost

[serene siren]

If you stick to gold you get most of the gains with not much efficiency loss

[viscid patrol]

I see

[serene siren]

Like conversion would be a few % and not at all loads

[viscid patrol]

Go for gold

[serene siren]

It's not surprising to see a good psu get a few years pay back time

[viscid patrol]

I had to make this pun

I felt spiritually compelled

I win

[serene siren]

Actually

Some advice

[viscid patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/max-win-wins-red-bull-racing-formula-1-gif-3877061674245888192

[serene siren]

The budget golds aren't all great

Like rme for example

[viscid patrol]

☠️

[serene siren]

Worth an extra tenner here and there

Like focus GX is plain great instead

Some psus may as well be platinum tbh

[viscid patrol]

I forget what PSU I have, I think it was some Corsair bronze

[serene siren]

[viscid patrol]

Oh yeah https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00ALK3KEM?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

☠️

[serene siren]

Cx is alright

You'd see a decent uptick changing to a decent gold like nzxt c

[viscid patrol]

I see

Maybe I should upgrade

[serene siren]

For a small price yeah, it might help a bit

Do the math first

Lol

Anyway i sleepeth

[viscid patrol]

Lmfao

Gn

[old heron]

Alright, so considering the Antec C5 in white (at least at the 110$ price it was at for a few weeks) is out of stock, Montech XR in white is only 3 left and the Antec C3 in white only says it has 13 left in stock. Any more in-stock options for the sort of asthetic that won't be stupid expensive (with fans included if I need to get some also what fans and/or hub)?

Would prefer to stick as close to 100-110$ at the most if possible

(For ref of components, Ryzen 7800X3D+RTX 4080 Super, also side note I'd need to have it work with the Corsair Shift PSU)

[wide parrot]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gtfxFT/sama-ar01-rgb-microatx-mini-tower-case-ar01-rgb-w
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vx7scf/diypc-diy-cube01-microatx-mini-tower-case-diy-cube01-w
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LZyH99/gamemax-vista-m-microatx-mini-tower-case-vista-mb
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dczXsY/thermaltake-view-270-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1y7-00m6wn-00

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TBXV3C/zalman-p10-microatx-mini-tower-case-p10-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/32Jp99/okinos-aqua-3-microatx-mini-tower-case-okicc-aqua3-matxw-h3wa
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RtFmP6/phanteks-xt-view-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523v1-dwt01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3kmNnQ/montech-king-95-atx-mid-tower-case-king-95-white
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MrbRsY/gamdias-atlas-m1-atx-mid-tower-case-gd-atlas-m1-wh
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z2dG3C/corsair-3500x-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011277-ww

[old heron]

Okay should've clarified, needs to be ATX (Aorus B650E Elite X AX Ice Mobo)

[wide parrot]

oh didnt realize the c5 was atx you said c3 wow i really can't read tn

[serene siren]

XT view imo

[old heron]

Yeah it is. Although they only specifically cite BTF support for Micro and Mini (although they seemingly have the holes for BTF ATX?) doesn't matter here for me tho as I have the mobo already and it's not BTF

[serene siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RtFmP6/phanteks-xt-view-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523v1-dwt01

[wide parrot]

yeah I'd say either this or the Thermaltake 270
https://www.newegg.com/snow-thermaltake-view-270-series-e-atx-mid-tower-chassis/p/N82E16811133536

[old heron]

Yeah, although the qualm with the XT View there is the fans not being reversed but this is a backup to a backup to a backup choice.

Unless the C3 wouldn't work with the Shift PSU (it does seem to be a bit tight from the PSU Shroud to the Panel?)

Also I'm not one for mail in rebates so that's only 3 120mms for 100$ which is a bit eh

[serene siren]

I would be shocked if there even is a case that comes with built-in fans

That are reversed

That's not normal

[old heron]

Antec C3 and C5

[serene siren]

Then antec is the only brand that does it rn

[old heron]

Montech does it too

The XR and King95 do it (and I think the Sky2 even does it?)

[serene siren]

Montech sell reverse but not aware of their cases shipping with such

[old heron]

Specifically the "Pro" version of the King 95

Problem with the King 95 Pro (behind me not quite vibing with the light ring rather than RGB fan blades), is its 150$ lol

Versus the XR which is 64$

[serene siren]

I never recc the pro is probably why

Cos I don't see any point spending $70 more for the same case with $45 worth of extras

[serene siren]

My vote goes to this or xt view still

Otherwise don't do dual chamber/fishtank

Montech xr looks fine (that's a new one) but no btf if that matters to you

[old heron]

Well that'd be 130+$ for the XT View if I populated all the fan slots which I'd want for the two-intake style.

Although the Thermaltake 270 Plus does come with 3 fans already and is 80$. Guess they took Phanteks coming with fans personally on that revision. Only concern there is are the fans daisychained or not as I only have 3 ARGB headers on my mobo (ditto PWM connectors)

[serene siren]

270 plus also has fans but not reversed

[old heron]

Yeah, but they at least dress it up a bit to mitigate

[serene siren]

Idk I think there's a lot of overemphasis on airflow here

The side doesn't need to be intake

This is a 7800x3d and a 4080 super, realistically neither of these will be hot enough to begin with to make airflow matter even if we did pay attention to it

[old heron]

Dust

[serene siren]

These top chamber mesh bottom cases have a lot of their airflow assisted from underneath as well

[old heron]

6 exhausts would result in negative pressure (putting a 360mm AiO uptop to help airflow a bit also make it look nice)

[serene siren]

Idk it still doesn't really sway me here

If you're specifically after reverse fans then go with the XR or go back to the antec

Or swallow the bullet with 2 thermalright M12's

There's more than one way to skin a cat

You can cover fan stickers with generic stickers for $2

[old heron]

Either way the C5 was my first choice as its been on sale for 110$ for a bit and comes with 7 fans, and the 6 there are reversed

[serene siren]

You're not really going to beat or match antec at that price

Full atx dual chamber with 7 specific fans at 110

Montech did it once at 95 with the king 95 pro in blue, I've never seen it again

[old heron]

The C3 is the little brother to the C5 at a official MSRP of 100$ and it pretty much is "what if the NV5 came with 4 argb fans and a fan hub"

[serene siren]

Closest to C3 would be NV5

[old heron]

Also the C5 also comes with a fan hub too

[serene siren]

Or msi pano 100r

But pano is matx

And not cheap anymore either

[old heron]

But my main concern with the C3 (beyond low stock warnings like the Montech XR) is that I'm not sure if the Corsair Shift would work?

It's the optimal form factor technically but I'm not certain there's the 30mm recommended gap between the PSU 's left side and the left side panel

At least the C5 has the PSU in the middle of the PSU chamber so there's well more than 30mm of height there

[serene siren]

I mean shift is shift

It was a neat idea in theory but in practice no one builds cases for that unit

Convenience but on the grounds of clearance

Case brands don't advertise available psu width (rare if you encounter one)

I went over the entire list up to $110 again

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2qtLrH/thermaltake-view-380-argb-atx-mid-tower-case-ca-1z2-00m6wn-00

Only other one I can find and I don't know how good it is

I can only assume it's fine since their late cases have had a very good overall performance

But I still easily recommend the first 3 over this

XT view, XR, View 270 easily

Otherwise lancool 215 mesh is on sale rn

What

Oh I must've mispelled shift ig

💀

If shift is a real problem then you could just swap it for something similar. It's just a side pinout rmx with a premium

Apart from the side gimmick it's not special

Also a pain if you want to run cable replacements

[old heron]

Ironically it was on sale at the time and I wanted the white cables and ATX 3.1 support

[serene siren]

Then I really don't know what to say, you'd want to find a builder who's used one a few times

Width compatibility is a rare advertised feature for psu chambers

Needless to say you might be lucky with one or two people here but they don't really talk here anymore

I have never used a shift, plenty of other units however

[old heron]

Tbh I'd you know good not stupid expensive fans to yeet into the NV5 that'd prob be okay lol

[serene siren]

I do

Thermalright m12

M12-s

M12r-s

Better than any unifans

[old heron]

Although main thing there is how to connect them to the fan hub on the nv5

[serene siren]

Not sure on that one

Phanteks has proprietary normally

[old heron]

Well it's JST, but yeah that's a bit of a kerfuffle (also extends to the XT View)

So the Thermaltake them? Lol

[serene siren]

Yes it's usually jst/proprietary

Afaik

[old heron]

https://www.newegg.com/snow-thermaltake-view-270-series-e-atx-mid-tower-chassis/p/N82E16811133536?item=N82E16811133536&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811133536&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paid+shopping&utm_campaign=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-cases+(computer+cases+-+atx+form)-_-N82E16811133536&id0=Google&id1=21176671393&id2=160508765003&id3=&id4=&id5=pla-2335463716063&id6=&id7=9051661&id8=&id9=g&id10=m&id11=&id12=Cj0KCQjwzva1BhD3ARIsADQuPnVkOCsL809dGR964Nq2OV0Agk1sYNdL7JJiTA-R8gcMV7CzFKwtYz0aAlLZEALw_wcB&id13=Y&id14=Y&id15=&id16=696229536437&id17=&id18=&id19=&id20=&id21=pla&id22=8438988&id23=online&id24=N82E16811133536&id25=US&id26=2335463716063&id27=&id28=&id29=&id30=9441421161420189876&id31=en&id32=&id33=&id34=&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzva1BhD3ARIsADQuPnVkOCsL809dGR964Nq2OV0Agk1sYNdL7JJiTA-R8gcMV7CzFKwtYz0aAlLZEALw_wcB

Jesus why is the link so long

Either way, I assume not worth the 20$ for the extra fans?
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/thermaltake-view-270-plus-tg-argb-case-snow/6593515.p?skuId=6593515&utm_source=feed&ref=212&loc=18472327090&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwzva1BhD3ARIsADQuPnXWv2u00eGhhMMHJf3yaJMOY1h3_Mdw6FlYk5KkbhFeBCPp1gZmyMsaArJtEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Assuming it's still on sale in a week at 60$ (and the C5 isn't back in stock)

[serene siren]

If you intend to swap the fans, not really

[old heron]

Well it's more as I'd need to get fans for the bottom intake

[serene siren]

I mean, not gonna make a huge difference? Idk

Either way it's not too bad if you intend to use the fans, but I'd save the $20 if not

Hell, 3 M12's for $22-ish anyway

So it's kinda meh

[old heron]

Btw I can't find any Reverse M12s? Only C12R's

[serene siren]

Ah my bad, I may have been thinking of S12R

There's like 1000 different versions of 2 different fans

[old heron]

Well there's the C12R and S12R.

Either way, are Thermalright's fans daisy-chaining (3x)?

[serene siren]

Ye

The best choice I'm seeing rn is probs B12-S and B12R-S

If not C12R-S and C12C-S

Or C12RB-S and C12B-S

B12's would be the best reverse fans you could buy rn tho

Those are rebadged noctua A12's/Nidec GT's

But with RGB + Reverse

[old heron]

Sure, although at 26$ it may just be better to get the Thermaltake reverse fan bundle.for 60$ in the case of the B12s
https://thermaltakeusa.com/collections/fans/products/ct120-ex-reverse-argb-sync-pc-cooling-fan-white-3-fan-pack-cl-f194-pl12sw-a

[serene siren]

Not really

As those fans aren't nearly as performant

[old heron]

The C12RW's meanwhile is 21$ for 3 which is a lot more swallowable but doesn't seem to support daisy-chaining like the M12W-S (which admittedly look very cool)

[serene siren]

The C12's do daisy

Unless the C12R's are wired differently which I have doubts on that

But C12C's we've had multiple confirmations they daisy

[old heron]

Weird, nothing about it on the Amazon page cite it like the M12W-S does
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-TL-C12RW-S-Connector-Computer-Included/dp/B0C4JJFSYC/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.4wJtXXgpxMa1qn5ySCIazIPGqWzqrE3pb80VS23BB0ehUfYGroFwP975cRZPmC9GAA0CboNWm3R0EQYHJZme58FgOaHqcGhwT9vzTAWSwGEGrlMGjeeHcgnQDqW5xmF9q2sRWxpuB68l85zPqz0wkQgZWI5T41bsCjU8llCFYOIonmTMcLI6K0zydyx-pzUbsJTTwRLspUUWeaEsiS0PzA.0oT6GEqF8IZi-t60gUqaHl_hnUz1J_14e0aJRO5l3Mo&dib_tag=se&keywords=Thermalright+C12RW&qid=1723814478&sr=8-1

Tbh wonder why they haven't launched the M12R-S-V3 at the same time as the normal M12-V3s as those get infinity mirrors now lol

Either way, 21$ for 3 fans that are reverse ARGB and if they can daisychain 3 fans then that'd be fine to pair with the Thermaltake or Montech XR

[serene siren]

Last paragraph

[old heron]

My question is how the heck did he daisychain his GPU with it. Did he disassemble it? Or does Sapphire leave a ARGB header open or something

[serene siren]

It'd be really weird that they'd make 4 other versions of this fan with daisy then not the reverse ver

[serene siren]

Sapphire cards have pwm headers for motherboard control

[old heron]

Huh, neat

[old heron]

Although wonder if the sound thing could be a batch issue.

Even then not like other budget fans don't make weird noises (The M25G1s in my P500a have had a minor rattle as they spin up since ever)

[serene siren]

If you want a better noise profile go get B12's instead

There's no fan on the market that offers everything in one package for a cheap price

Looks/Function/Sound

Pick 2 lol

C12's aren't terrible in noise, but at high rpm they aren't amazing

Not anything like a corsair mag fan or montech rx tho

[old heron]

Montech RX fans aren't great noise wise? Or was that saying it's inferior

[serene siren]

Ye

Noise

[mellow dome]

Time to buy a 500w bronze for my 4090

[blissful thistle]

Better yet