cases-psu-and-cooling

[chilly path]

two more yeah

[blissful thistle]

But 3 is all you need

[chilly path]

so basically no real point spending more?

[blissful thistle]

Honestly with your components one exhaust fan would be fine

Yeah

[chilly path]

Aight

I might need to get an RGB splitter because the mobo only has 3 headers

but that's negligble really

[blissful thistle]

Could also grab a fan/rgb hub depending on the price diff

[chilly path]

though allegedly the Citadel has some kind of RGB controller built in that you can plug onto the mobo

Allegedly

[blissful thistle]

That is a thing, didn't know the citadel came with one

[chilly path]

and obviously I'd also pick up a large bag of zipties to cable manage properly

[chilly path]

it has a remote included so there's got to be one

and it's supposedly able to connect to the motherboard so I'd actually be fine

Also

It can vertical mount the GPU

And

The GPU isn't pressed right up against the glass

[serene siren]

red devil would be

2 slot no

3 slot yes

4 slot impossible

💀

citadel has never been on the map imo

it has the right idea but call it the form factor? divisive

I would also worry about molex fans at the cheap end unless you are very familiar with the case

[chilly path]

TBF since they don't include a riser
I'd not vert mount anyway

[long sphinx]

best 850w or 1000w psu that is actually quiet under load?

going to be running a 6950xt on it

my corsair rme has terrible coil whine so I don't want anything corsair

[mild roost]

coil whine is rma-able with corsair

tbh there's no other good psus that's probably priced like the rme

you can refer to a tier on psus, especially the ones color coded in gold

[serene siren]

If I told you this was almost the whole schtick of RMe and the others weren't like that, would you believe me

It's like the lite version of RM

[fierce pivot]

Make sure it's not your gpus coil whine also

[long sphinx]

i checked a few weeks ago when I noticed the coil wine, used fan software to stop all other fans and double checked than gpu fans werent going

only thing it could be is the psu

[fierce pivot]

Ah fair enough, do know tho that you'd have to put your ear to it because coil whine doesn't come from the fans

[chilly path]

It only comes in under load afaik as well

So like
You'd have to load the GPU and listen closely

[tulip stump]

What do i look for in a psu power cable, i lost the old one i had lol

[blissful thistle]

Psu cables are specific to that psu

Contact the manufacturers customer service

[tulip stump]

Oh dang lol really

I’m talking about psu to socket

[blissful thistle]

?

[tulip stump]

From the wall to the psu is specific to the psu?

[blissful thistle]

Ohhh

No

Sorry

Those are standardized

[tulip stump]

Oh ok, so if it plugs in it works?

[blissful thistle]

This should be fine https://www.amazon.com/Standard-Electronics-Computer-Printer-Monitor/dp/B09VRLJD7J/ref=mp_s_a_1_2_sspa?crid=35CV805Z71HCD&keywords=pc+power+cable&qid=1705524971&sprefix=pc+power+cavle%2Caps%2C125&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRm&psc=1

Yeah believe so

[tulip stump]

Okay cool

He just sent me this, would this work

[blissful thistle]

Yep

Could also just take one fromvanother monitor, pc, or tv

[dreamy hatch]

Customer service sent me here and I'm desperate for help on replacing the tempered glass side panel for my case. I ordered the wrong one already. How do I figure out which panel fits my case?

[vocal tree]

owch

which case do you have?

[dreamy hatch]

Thank you for responding ;_;

I have the Matrexx 50 ADD-RGB 4F

[vocal tree]

I'm not entirely sure how to get a hold of side panels

but I think you might be able to have some luck with contacting the company that makes the case

[dreamy hatch]

Lol yeah in a panic I ordered one that looked similar on Newegg and cried when it didn't fit. I'm sending the company an email now. I just hate running my pc like this

[blissful thistle]

I mean can you return the case still?

And may I ask why you don't like the glass side panel? Are you scared of it breaking?

Or just don't like it

[vocal tree]

it's probably pretty rare for a side panel off the market to fit 😔

[dreamy hatch]

No I loved the side panel! I broke it while I was dusting 😦

[blissful thistle]

Ohhhh damn

That sucks

[vocal tree]

on the bright side it gets insane airflow without the panel 😛

[blissful thistle]

Yeah I'd contact company or just replace the case, there's some great cheap options

[dreamy hatch]

How do I figure out if the other options actually fit my case?

[blissful thistle]

Sorry I meant replace the case

Solid options as low as $50

[dreamy hatch]

oooooooooooof I regret buying prebuilt now

[blissful thistle]

Ah, do you happen to have a link to it?

[dreamy hatch]

Yeah am I allowed to post it here?

[blissful thistle]

Yep

[dreamy hatch]

https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali489/p/N82E16883360084?Item=N82E16883360084

[blissful thistle]

Oh dope, ABS doesn't use proprietary parts, so there's not a risk of anything not fitting as long as you check for cpu cooler clearance, mobo clearance, and gpu clearance which I'll make sure of

If you do go case replacement route I'd use the fans in that case and
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6pBzK8/phanteks-eclipse-g300a-1-fan-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec300ga_dbk01

[dreamy hatch]

I've sent an email to the company who makes the case and if they can't get me something to put over this gaping hole in my life then I'll go with this

Or honestly go mad and just buy the same case again for the glass part

[blissful thistle]

Expensive, but check out the phanteks nv5 and montech sky two

[dreamy hatch]

oh I might get the second one!

[blissful thistle]

Oh I think also the montech king 95

I think its around $100-110

Could also look at o11d and o11 vision

[dreamy hatch]

Is it hard to switch parts from one case to another? Like could I break something else?

[blissful thistle]

Not really, easier than doing a new build

Can follow a tutorial on youtube

[vocal tree]

just be mindful and you're good

take your time

[dreamy hatch]

Thank you both so much. I'm off to have dinner. I'll tag you when I have an update

[vocal tree]

👍

[chilly path]

If anyone is interested in it
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325446315596?hash=item4bc61cae4c:g:5tMAAOSw28VjiM-N

But like it's 500 bucks (assumedly with no hardware)

[steep escarp]

Hey, I'm planning on etching my glass side panel, would that cause any issues besides weakening the glass

[fierce pivot]

Nope it's fine

[urban tulip]

If it's a tempered glass side panel, I would highly highly recommend against etching it

If it's standard glass which is kinda uncommon in PC cases then you technically could

Tempered glass will almost definitely shatter if you try to etch it

[long sphinx]

It wouldn’t be coming from anything else

[fierce pivot]

coil whine comes from capacitors n stuff etc not fans

[long sphinx]

oh

it may be that

i know for sure its the psu making the noise though

[nova nova]

I wonder if there’s any good unique cases that don’t look like they are designed for gaming (basically building a sleeper pc in it)

without the RGB and look like they go with the aesthetic of a room

[mellow dome]

Does this fit what youre thinking? https://www.amazon.com/quiet-BG021-Pure-Base-Black/dp/B01N7PGIPS

Its fairly blank and smoothed out from a good brand for a reasonable price

If im correct the fans also dont include rgb

It might not have the best airflow compared to more gamery builds but that really depends on if youre paying more than 2k on your specs

Something like a 6800 should run perfectly fine as an example

This model stands out a bit more but it also has better airflow, and you can customize it to not have glass as well https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/meshify/meshify-c/black-solid/

[mild roost]

fractal pop doesn't look gamery either

tho it has glass side panel

[mellow dome]

My personal guess is glass side panel is the big thing here, not sure tho

[past harbor]

That's part of it. Stare at the innards & game like you're Stevie Wonder, or Ray Charles.

[orchid bone]

I am wondering if the Thermaltake Smart Series 700W SLI (https://www.newegg.com/thermaltake-smart-series-ps-spd-0700npcwus-w-700w/p/N82E16817153231) has all the plugs required for my pc. (I am uprading graphics cards so I need one with more power)

[serene siren]

Can you send me the specs of what you have and what you want

[blissful thistle]

dont use that psu

its a bomb

[serene siren]

I was waiting to say that but wanted to know the full picture lol

[blissful thistle]

fair

[serene siren]

I believe that one isn't great but not white levels of just, cring

[orchid bone]

Ah
Is there a PSU In that price range you recommend?

[serene siren]

Could be wrong, can't be bothered to check the list

[serene siren]

If I knew your specs yes

[orchid bone]

Ok

[serene siren]

Is why I asked lol

[blissful thistle]

that is the smart white one

[serene siren]

Is it? I thought they had the unmarked 80 plus and then 80 plus white?

[blissful thistle]

i believe so, the unmarked one is bronze that isnt terrible

i think c tier?

it's either bronze or gold

[serene siren]

It's not 80 white it's just 80

[orchid bone]

Current:
CPU :Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard: Asus rog b450 f gaming 2
Ram: 16gb ddr4
1tb HDD
500 gb SSD
GPU : rtx 3050

The only change I am gonna make rn is PSU and rtx 4070 super

[serene siren]

Ok lemme look rq

[orchid bone]

Oh I also have a lighting controllrr

Core commander xt I think

[serene siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zQvYwg

Have a look here

2 super recc's, a psu recc and a ram recc

[blissful thistle]

gf1 750 is $80 which is also solid

[serene siren]

Sell the 16gb you'd have rn

[serene siren]

New model, untested

[blissful thistle]

i think it's just the gf1 with an atx 3.0 connector from what i was told

[serene siren]

It's probably fine if you want to link it

I can't imagine they make it trash

[blissful thistle]

i cant apparently

it has bad word in link

[serene siren]

Lol

Oh no

This stupid link again

[blissful thistle]

i mean i can try it

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4hv6h/thermaltake-toughpower-gf1-2024-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ps-tpd-0750fnfagu-p

oh hey

[serene siren]

@orchid bone have a look at the two links

Those are what we'd suggest

Asus dual also exists at 630 for a white version, though it's getting a bit pricey at that stage

[orchid bone]

Do those come with cords already in em or do I have to get them separately (psu

[serene siren]

You'll have all that you need with the psu and gpu together

The gpu comes with an adapter which works fine, you just need to make triple sure it's plugged all the way in

This is not an exaggeration, all the way

The new connector on current gen nvidia can melt if it's not completely seated into the gpu

It's said to be unlikely to happen on the lower end but there is both supporting cases both for and against this out in the wild

So I'd say better safe than sorry in this scenario

[orchid bone]

So I should get the Asus GPU?

[serene siren]

Or pny verto is fine

They're all decent

The one I'd be wary of is gigabyte gaming oc, you'd want a gpu support brace for that one due to it's design

But the others are all fine

Verto might be a little cheaper quality hence me suggesting the asus dual here, we haven't seen a lot of info out about the new cards yet

But historically for 40 series PNY has been decent as well, just a matter of if you want a little extra guarantee

Anything more than the 3 I've suggested so far though (PNY verto, asus dual, asus dual white) though I simply wouldn't buy for being too expensive

They're all nvidia 4070 supers at the end

[blissful thistle]

could also do fe if its in stock on nvidia website

[serene siren]

Yeah FE would be really good

[orchid bone]

So Asus dual and thermaltake gf1

[serene siren]

FE I would wager be better than all I've suggested if you go that route

Best buy also stocks those

[blissful thistle]

fe is oos on nvidia website looks like

[serene siren]

I wouldn't be surprised, it's the first decent offering from them in a while

You could also consider 7800xt @orchid bone

Value for money it's slightly better than the 4070S

[blissful thistle]

in stock on bb https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12gb-gddr6x-graphics-card-titanium-black/6570226.p?skuId=6570226

[serene siren]

And nowadays AMD Radeon is pretty much like for like driver-wise to nvidia

They just don't like a hell of a lot of settings changes in one sitting is really all that I could say tbh

[nova nova]

Yeah this looks good

Some of the other Fractal cases look good aesthetically as well

the tiny cases look even better but I don’t think having a harder computer to build in is a good idea

[mellow dome]

Yeah the smaller cases are a hit and a miss

Id hate to build in one personally so its not something id recommend for a typical sleeper build

[vocal tree]

just has to be tool free disassembly

with tons of parts that come off

[serene siren]

https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-ready-psus-picks-2023-hardware-busters/

[blissful thistle]

Should be pinned if possible ^

[errant holly]

hey how do you guys cleanup dust in your PCs?

[sand atlas]

Compressed air, either a can or an electric duster

[serene siren]

Or some patience and dry brushing/wiping

Any of the above really just make sure you block the fans to stop them spinning

[sand atlas]

Most fans have a clutch now to keep from burning out headers when they overspin, but it's hard to tell which ones don't so better safe than sorry

[past harbor]

Plus I hold them partly to not hurt the bearings at 20K rpm, or whoever fast I'll make them spin w/ 50psi air out the hose.

[lofty pewter]

Eh, pretty hard to do damage electrically with headers. Usually just get bearing damage.

[urban tulip]

If you spin the fans fast enough and have enough air you don't even need to waste money buying a psu

[winter nacelle]

Wow, can I buy this case somewhere?
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-predator-orion-5000-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-13700f-16gb-ddr5-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3070-1tb-gen-4-ssd-black/6533960.p?skuId=6533960

https://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/6533/6533960_rd.jpg;maxHeight=640;maxWidth=550

[mild roost]

nope

and it's honestly crap anyway

[winter nacelle]

Why did they have to make it look cool?

or is that part of the problem?

[mild roost]

that is part of the problem yes

front intake is pretty restrictive

only able to take in air from the sides

[vocal tree]

my pc takes in air from the sides

Kachow

[serene siren]

Kachow

[tame cape]

mine is MORE BETTER!

[bronze dove]

Anyone know where I can find the LCD kit for the Matcha Green Ceres 300? Amazon only has black in stock and Thermaltake's own website is cleaned out. I want it somewhere that can ship to the US.

[tame cape]

An thats also much better compared to what i had 4y ago...
Google up Mars Gaming MCG case at your own risk

[chilly path]

Hey that's a rebranded Kolink Observatory

or at least modified

they probably ordered it from the mfg without the plastic grating

[tame cape]

There are quite some cases that use the same design as the Kolink, and Mars Gaming just kept copying other copies making them ridiculous and ridiculously cheap

[chilly path]

Yeah and they all suck lmao

Especially since they're all copying the glass front one

Which is both hideous AND suffocating

Kolink does have a mesh Observatory at least

But even that is eh

[vocal tree]

mine came from rommy

[cinder halo]

My PSU has 5 CPU/PCIE ends, does it matter which one I plug my CPU cable and GPU PCIE into? Nothing else will occupy those in my build, but I'm not sure if there's a priority or anything

[mild roost]

nope, it doesn't matter

[sand atlas]

Doesn't matter *on single rail units

I don't think TT does multi rail though

[vocal tree]

does nzxt lol

[serene siren]

I believe those C units are single rail

Could be wrong

[sand atlas]

You can always tell by looking at the power label. If there's only one +12v listed, it's single rail. If it says +12v1, +12v2, etc. then it's multi rail.

On a multi rail unit you might need to think about cable placement more

[dreamy hatch]

@blissful thistle @vocal tree update: I was able to get the glass replaced for $19 from the manufacturer! It ended up being a good experience, I didn't realize I had other SSD bays and only two sticks of RAM so I did some small affordable upgrades with the money I was gonna use for the case. Thank you both for your help!

[blissful thistle]

are you on ddr4 or ddr5? especially on ddr5 4 sticks can hurt performance instead of help

[dreamy hatch]

I'm on DDR4. I already had 2x 8GB in there so I grabbed another two. Spent more than I care to admit putting them in but I'm already seeing the speed boost now that its all properly installed

[serene siren]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4h88TW/magniumgear-neo-air-2-atx-mid-tower-case-mg-ne523a_wt06w

Keep an eye out for reviews on this one

it looks

particularly good

[mild roost]

one more torrent copy

[sand atlas]

With wood accents this time

[mild roost]

mix of north and torrent i guess

[bleak holly]

Kinda nice?

I like the wood accents but the frame's shape feels way to much like a fat box rather then a slick geometric design.

[nimble zenith]

I need a tiny case that has more width for a 3 fan GPU

But the case looks like you shouldn't even bother to touch it open

[fierce pivot]

What does touch it open mean

[nimble zenith]

to even open it

Yeah probably meant not to even touch it

[fierce pivot]

Gonna need some more info on what you mean my that

[nimble zenith]

Something like this

[fierce pivot]

Yeah I'd say you'd probably have to go custom or some super low volume (expensive) case then

[winter nacelle]

"Behold, my handcrafted purity!"

[bronze dove]

Thermaltake Tower 200? It has a cutout in the floor chamber to allow for longer gpus iirc

Alternatively there is the XTIA X-Proto series but that is an open-spine case

[blissful thistle]

@serene siren
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000R-001J4

[serene siren]

throw you a different one

MSI MAG PANO M100R

[vocal tree]

nice 👍

[zenith yacht]

Hi everyone

[bleak holly]

The new TT Tower 300 looks fantastic.

[mild roost]

minion case

that yellow one

but i love it

[bleak holly]

Agreed.

Apparently it's Bumblebee yellow.

And supposedly supports a 420mm AIO in the right side panel.

[serene siren]

Tower 300 is great afaik

Great aio compatibility, full atx psu, full gpu compatibility

Only catch is matx board

Which imo means nothing in a case like that

They really took GN's criticism to stick mesh on 2 sides for their original tower's to heart

Now they have a number of pretty solid cases

It's just you pay the TT premium for it

[bleak holly]

I'd imagine so.

I love the design of their cases so I am probably gonna get those next.

[bleak holly]

the idea of a dual system pc case is becomming quite appealling to me, so I can have one system for me and one system to work as a server.

[bleak holly]

Wow, check this case out. Caselabs TX10

Feels like a server case turned into a pc case.

[serene siren]

It is a server case.

💀

[mellow dome]

I think that was their point 😭

[bleak holly]

Just realized, it can't be a good idea to have the rad on the bottom can it?

[sand atlas]

In a custom loop that can be ok as long as the pump isn't the highest point in the loop

The pumps are usually much stronger and the reservoir is meant to catch the air bubbles

[bleak holly]

ahh okay.

[wanton venture]

how much energy can a 650 watt powersupply draw from the wall? with this build:https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/VP6tsh

[blissful thistle]

What model 650 watt

And it will not be pulling anywhere near 650w with that build. I doubt it'd go over 425w, even that's a high estimate

[wanton venture]

still dont know:(

[blissful thistle]

At least for gaming. Maybe under a stress test like prime 95 it'd go higher, but idts

[scenic lance]

Is this PSU good for my build? Will I need to buy any extra wires or anything for it?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bbxq9c

[blissful thistle]

Yes it is and no you will not

[scenic lance]

Will it be enough to overclock with?

[blissful thistle]

Easily

That build would run off a 550w easily if it was as good as the rme. You'll have plenty of room

[scenic lance]

Thanks man

Btw, I like your pfp.

Did you make it or someone else?

The art style looks familiar

I'm pretty sure I follow an artist on IG that makes adorable cartoon frogs like that of your pfp.

[blissful thistle]

Ngl I just found it on Google I'm very unoriginal for my pfps

Actually I forgot to change this since Halloween, it's about time lmao

[long sphinx]

thoughts on the y40? i saw a setup with it using my exact card and thought it looked amazing, the airflow situation is what concerns me

[hoary nebula]

Would these https://a.co/d/aNf3wAi

Work.with this exact power supply in my setup https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CZWk7R

[bleak holly]

afaik the case is fine so long as the GPU is not hugging against the glass.

If you have the exact same gpu, then that looks fine (seems like 1in of air gap or smth).

Also the Y40 if iirc, has bottom intakes.

[serene siren]

Y40 gud but esspensive

Y40 better than Y60

[long sphinx]

i think i remember it having a fan or two underneath from a review i watched on it ages ago, id have to look again

[serene siren]

@hoary nebula no response from TT

Le sadge

[hoary nebula]

Thx for checking tho

[mellow dome]

Yall dont click that lol

[crimson galleon]

@open gate

Scam scam scam

[mellow dome]

Obvious ass scam in a tech server

Kinda funny tbh

[crimson galleon]

Scamantha

[open gate]

got it

first ban in months

[serene siren]

I'll scam u in a minute

Here's this corsair link

www.corsair.com

[open gate]

[serene siren]

Git scam'd

[open gate]

I already got scammed by getting their fans. i feel nothing

RGB pretty

[serene siren]

The poison is working then

[mellow dome]

I have a corsair psu and that's it

[serene siren]

They thought they were scamming us with those but they were wrong

[bleak holly]

Has anyone here ever seen/tried the Cougar Gemini X? It's like my dream pc case and I feel tempted to save up the money to buy it since the Walmart near me has one left in stock (discontinued product)

R.I.P I forgot it can only use 240mm AIOs.

[turbid berry]

Does anyone know how someone could maximize the amount of airflow in an NZXT H510?

[blissful thistle]

Genuinely, a dremel

Otherwise really nothing

[turbid berry]

Is it worth putting an aio in the front of the case, or would using the stock aio not matter?

[blissful thistle]

Im actually not sure I'd wait for someone else to answer

[turbid berry]

Ok, no problem.

[sand atlas]

An AIO on the front is the worst idea because it will just heat up and get zero air through the radiator. Top mount if anything. That case thrives on negative pressure, set all fans to exhaust and be ready to clean dust more frequently.

(Assuming you don't mean the H510 flow for all that)

[serene siren]

Makes it worse

💀💀💀

H510 and really most of NZXT's elite lineup of today, has some of the worst airflow from a major case brand

Just in general

The flow cases are ok

[turbid berry]

Oh wow, l didn’t know that it would. I know the cases aren’t known for their airflow, but I’ve heard that some people haven’t had much problems with it, and that makes me think that l wouldn’t either if l would get since l only use my pc for school and maybe some casual gaming.

So if someone were to have a H510, you would recommend just using an air cooler?

[blissful thistle]

What aio would you be using?

[turbid berry]

I’m not sure which one would work best.

[serene siren]

Honestly depending on the cpu, I'd change both case and cooler instead of just the cooler

Investing in a decent case is something you can carry over long term

Since you're asking about an aio, I imagine you probably have the budget to slot a case in

If your budget is like, $100 you definitely could

[turbid berry]

So you would recommend not using the case even though l mainly use my pc for school and sometimes casual gaming?

[serene siren]

It's just not a good case

If you had like

3600 ryzen and maybe 1650 super

Or like 4060

It kinda works

Go higher? It sucks

It works with low power, but not anything more

[blissful thistle]

I mean if you already have it it's not the end of the world imo, just don't get an x3d chip.

[serene siren]

I'd make a good push to change it

When you're talking significant performance loss from the trapped heat

[turbid berry]

Sounds good, l won’t get it then. Any cases that you would recommend?

[serene siren]

Depends on your budget here my guy

What are you after to put together

What's your budget

[blissful thistle]

Yeah I thought you alr had a build, are you carrying some parts over like that 5600g?

[turbid berry]

I was thinking of swapping to a black pc case. Yes, l do already have a build. I am going to carry over the 5600g, but am probably going to upgrade to a 5700X3D to pair with my 5700xt.

I would say my budget for a case would be $150, and was looking for that NZXT look with white on the outside of the case, and black on the inside.

[serene siren]

I wouldn't spend 150 on a case like that

Worth more than your gpu...lol

What's your total budget

Like what were you intending to spend

And/or what is the max you'd spend

Do you have old ddr4? Is it 32gb

[blissful thistle]

Check out the sky two, king 95, and nv5

And p400a

[turbid berry]

I have 16gb. I already have my pc, but just wanted to switch the case.

[turbid berry]

Sounds good, I’ll check them out and decide which one l like best.

[serene siren]

32gb would be worth getting

What's your total budget here @turbid berry

Let's draw something up rq with the things we're talking about changing

[turbid berry]

For the entire pc?

[serene siren]

For what you want to change ye

Do you have an ssd already

[turbid berry]

Would you mind if we can talk more about it later? It’s getting late for me, and l appreciate your help, especially when I’m trying to learn more about computers, how they function, and what parts may be better than others.

[serene siren]

That's fine

I just want to take the opportunity to consolidate this so you walk away with a comprehensive answer

Rather than like

Bits and pieces here and there

So it's more appropriated for your needs and budget

I get the feeling we can be a bit more creative here and promote a much better overall system with a bit of planning

[turbid berry]

Thank you for waiting, l appreciate it.

Here is my build right now.

[tawny oxide]

You need to copy and paste this area

[turbid berry]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FYdzjH

[tawny oxide]

I can tell you rn to drop that ram, and you shouldn’t need a water cooler if you don’t mind just going air.

Do you wish to keep a water cooler?

@turbid berry what’s your budget? What’s your desired aesthetic? What’s your country/currency?

[turbid berry]

I wouldn’t mind switching to an air cooler. My budget originally was $1500. I already have all the parts in the pcpartspicker. I live in the U.S.

[tawny oxide]

Let me see if I can find something similar for some of those.

[turbid berry]

I was thinking of switching to a black pc build using the p400a

[tawny oxide]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdFqQP

[tawny oxide]

That’s a fantastic choice.

[tawny oxide]

Id ask someone else to adjust the MB, as I’m not as knowledgeable with them as I could be

@serene siren maybe

[blissful thistle]

Alr and what do you own

Holup $1500 was spent on what

[tawny oxide]

I’m assuming peripherals?

[turbid berry]

My budget for the pc when l bought the parts two years ago was $1500. I have everything that is in the pcpartspicker.

[tawny oxide]

Do you have a new budget now?

[turbid berry]

No, still the same.

[tawny oxide]

I see the conversation you had earlier, but I’m just making sure.

What all are you okay with replacing? The whole peripherals as well? Mouse, KB, monitor?

I can make a much better list for you utilizing the extent of the $1500 if you want.

[turbid berry]

No, I’m mainly focused on the pc parts itself, although l did want to get a new keyboard that is 75%.

[tawny oxide]

So just keyboard, and the entire rest of the pc?

[turbid berry]

That would be fine, thank you. Can you just include the p400a and have the rest of the parts black?

[tawny oxide]

I can do that.

Lemme get started. RGB too? Or just all jet black?

[turbid berry]

Yes, rgb too.

[tawny oxide]

Gotcha.

@blissful thistle can yell at me if I did something bad or something.

[turbid berry]

I already have the 5700xt so l was going to use that. Also, l didn’t want to spend that much on a motherboard. I was only thinking of replacing most of the parts that l have now for the least amount of money possible.

[tawny oxide]

Fixed.

Whoops

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LDMrn6

Now it’s fixed

Took a few hundred off

[blissful thistle]

I'm just confused tbh

I dont understand what's happening

[blissful thistle]

Ok got it

[tawny oxide]

Last sentence

[blissful thistle]

So what is the budget to upgrade?

[tawny oxide]

$1500
But he has the 5700xt already, and doesn’t wanna spend too much on MB

[blissful thistle]

Swapping mobo, ram and cpu, so def go am5

[tawny oxide]

And wants that specific case

The p500a

[blissful thistle]

7600 a620m pro rs wifi and 32gb silicon power 6000c30 or the teamgroup rgb kit for $110

[blissful thistle]

Since it's oos g500a drgb is a similar aesthetic

Also mp44l over nv2 for ssd

[turbid berry]

I apologize if I’m confusing you guys. My original budget for my pc back when l originally got it was $1500, however l don’t have a true budget in mind for the upgrades l want to make. I also want those upgrades to be black in color since l was planning on switching to a black build. I wanted a full size motherboard that isn’t as expensive as one from ASUS.

[tawny oxide]

That makes a lot more sense.

I am dummy

[turbid berry]

Also, don’t worry about including the keyboard.

[tawny oxide]

Micro center, bestbuy, and Amazon have a few decent 70% one.

@blissful thistle you got this one then.

[blissful thistle]

Give me like 15 min and I'll be back

Ok hi

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WHLHsh
?

[turbid berry]

I was planning on getting the p400a from Phanteks. Also, l wanted to get a full size motherboard and rgb on the ram.

[blissful thistle]

Well the p400a is oos as far as I can tell, I figured g500a was a fine alternative. One min on ram and mobo

[turbid berry]

Is there anything wrong with it?

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DZdzjH

[blissful thistle]

Wdym?

The p400a?

If you can get it it's a good case

[turbid berry]

Yeah, the p400a.

[blissful thistle]

It's just out of stock

[turbid berry]

Oh ok. I didn’t realize that.

[blissful thistle]

Oh ye oos=out of stock

You could also check out the sky two, if you like that aesthetic

Imo the best priced, good quality case with good aesthetics rn

Aside from white p400a and g360a

[turbid berry]

MSI B550-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard (B550-A PRO) - PCPartPicker

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7gxbt6/msi-b550-a-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-b550-a-pro

Would this work instead?

Also, do you think 32gb is worth it for me? I mainly use my pc for school and sometimes some casual gaming.

[blissful thistle]

That is not compatible with the cpu

Going ddr5 32gb is a must

16gb is not a viable option, for reasons I don't feel like typing out

[turbid berry]

Oh ok. Are there other mobo’s that look similar to the Msi one l sent?

Also, would you mind switching the case to a white p400a just so l have everything in one list?

[blissful thistle]

Few min

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WBwypg/gigabyte-b650-aorus-elite-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-aorus-elite-ax
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CFzhP6/msi-pro-b650-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b650-p-wifi
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Tz2WGX/asrock-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650e-pg-riptide-wifi

Choose one you like the best

[turbid berry]

I’ll choose the Msi one.

[blissful thistle]

There's two, the -p wifi?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LKTqQP

[turbid berry]

I’m not sure actually. Do you think l should? I do have a wifi card though currently in my pc.

[blissful thistle]

It's a fine mobo

Not really any good options for atx mobos without wifi cards that look like that

B650 livemixer is good but it's orange

[turbid berry]

So I should just go with the wifi option then?

[blissful thistle]

Yes

[turbid berry]

Ok, sounds good. Thank you again for helping me out.

[turbid berry]

Sorry, l forgot one more thing. What fans should l get that l could replace the stock fans within the p400a so it matches the air cooler fan?

[blissful thistle]

C12c or some c12 variant

[turbid berry]

Would l be able to replace the stock fan from the cooler with them?

[blissful thistle]

The phantom spirit has c12c on it

[turbid berry]

Oh ok. I didn’t know that’s what the stock fan was.

[serene siren]

*K12

oh wait no that's evo

nvm

ye you right

[serene siren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816657081461506108/1209273447025479700/6rg19j69juhc1.png?ex=65e652a8&is=65d3dda8&hm=ad0f61ef1c59492486f0a8111bcf71ba19bc7e0983248a24145e7377df922b35&

old news but interesting enough

[fierce pivot]

Only 4070? Womp

Also i assume part of rog taking nuc they had to keep intel cpus

[serene siren]

probably

so they don't terrify the local intel-ligent life

[chilly path]

And a Jake?

[wide parrot]

Lol

[long sphinx]

are there some cable extensions that plug straight into the psu?

as in like the nice looking colored ones

[serene siren]

If you have a supported unit* yeah

[sand atlas]

https://store.cablemod.com/configurator/?service=direct

[long sphinx]

yo thats really cool

wouldnt I just technically need the gpu, 24pin, and the top board cables

top board as in the ones that are in the top left

not sure what the name of those are

[sand atlas]

Can you even see the EPS cables on the top left?

[long sphinx]

i can

[sand atlas]

They usually get covered

Then yeah those three you'd need

[long sphinx]

this is the caseswap I wanna do eventually https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7bWbZJ

felix helped me make it

[long sphinx]

@sand atlas do I have to make my own cables

[serene siren]

@long sphinx try moddiy it's another place

[sand atlas]

They come pre-assembled

[long sphinx]

no im sorry

i meant

customize my own

[sand atlas]

You get to pick the colors and everything if that's what you're asking

It takes 10 seconds

[bleak holly]

Anyone know of some cases with similar aesthetics to the Cougar Gemini X? So like something that's slick, eye grabber, and preferably metallic like the Phanteks cases with the infinity mmirrors.

[slate creek]

Why not get the cougar gemini X then

[bleak holly]

Two reasons but I am debating doing it.

Caps at 240mm AIO (was designed for custom loops or air cooling) and all the ones I could find are heavily scalped like $1,000+

[fierce pivot]

Do you want the dual system part or just look similar?

Haven't seen much like it looks wise

Also the msrp was 700$

Yikes

[bleak holly]

More for looks but dual system would be a nice bonus since that would mean I can keep a home server and my own personal computer in the same case

[bleak holly]

Solid case though, thick glass and full metal frame

[pallid isle]

What's the chance my RM650x will be able to handle turning PBO on and OCing my 7800 XT a bit for a 3DMark test?

[serene siren]

Probably fine

[bleak holly]

why not test it to find out. worst case you'd just crash.

[pallid isle]

Okay

[blissful thistle]

It def will

My rm650x handled an oced 6800xt with a 3600 with pbo, 3600 is lower wattage than 7700x but 6800xt higher wattage than 7800xt

[blissful thistle]

@serene siren you seen this before? I think it's my new favorite mitx case
https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-05GF-00010

It even fits a normal size dual tower

[serene siren]

yo?

that looks nice af

looks like jonsplus' answer to the jonsbo d31

[blissful thistle]

I wonder how the fans are

If they're solid that's very well priced too

[elfin trout]

Isn't jonsplus just another jonsbo brand

[chilly path]

It's a subsidiary

@elfin trout

[serene siren]

Ah is it? I'd have no idea

I feel like a lot of the sff case brands are making some definition of a D30/D31 clone tho

[chilly path]

meanwhile I found this
https://aerocool.io/product/atomic/
23k HUF gross for an ARGB 200mm and ARGB 120mm fan-equipped mATX case

goes up to like 340mm GPUs

idk if the fans are PWM or not however

However, the one 200mm fan the company appears to sell is PWM so

there is a hope

50 USD converted (without tax)

[serene siren]

Meh

It's probably ok but just visually not that great looking

That 200mm one reminds me of cases from like, 2017 lol

[sand atlas]

Those ones with the acrylic side panels that had a giant fan on it, I see what you mean

[chilly path]

It's still better than the zero fan, solid all panels Aigo I have rn so

There's that

All it needs to do is not absolutely suck

Because I already have that experience (this whole PC is just cursed)

I'm gonna like
Only use the CPU (or perhaps not even that) later
Depending on when I get money

Yeah honestly I'll just get a 7600, and just PBO it

Cuz I'm tired of everything being ass

Idk I'll have to think about what I do

Could just chuck another 7600X into it when I get there

[serene siren]

new jonsbo

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZdG3C/jonsbo-d300-microatx-mid-tower-case-d300-white

[blissful thistle]

hopefully not for 136 lol

[ivory rain]

Hey I have a SS-750KM3 PSU and I am missing some of the cables. Where could I find replacements?

[blissful thistle]

When did you buy that psu?

Looks like it came out in 2010, not sure you'd be able to

Also not sure it would hold up with a modern pc build, if you're planning to

[ivory rain]

I work at a repair center and got it out of a scrap unit. It tested fine and didn't have any issues outside of not having all the cables

[sand atlas]

https://store.cablemod.com/configurator
Your PSU is listed as "X-series km3 750"

[blissful thistle]

Ahh alr mb

And thanks fal I didn't think they'd be sold anymore, being 14 years old lol

[sand atlas]

I don't see why they wouldn't, since it's custom order and the pin out wouldn't change

[ivory rain]

I was planning on repurposing it for a personal build with a 7600x and a 4070 in order to cut some costs and upgrade in other areas. Is this alright or should I look into just ordering a new PSU?

[static aspen]

CableMod RT-Series Classic ModMesh Sleeved Cable Kit for ASUS/Seasonic/Phanteks Revolt (Black) https://a.co/d/iU9OvB3

I think this might be the entire set I saw km3 750 hopefully I'm not wrong or if someone could fact check me

[sand atlas]

Yep that looks right to me

[static aspen]

That just leaves the question I can't answer if that PSU holds up to new hw you mentioned

[sand atlas]

Given the age, you can expect approximately 15% reduced peak load from capacitor aging. That effectively gives you a 625W optimal load, which those parts will not come anywhere close to.

[ivory rain]

Awesome. I appreciate the help

[serene siren]

https://youtu.be/aQHKCjuYTVQ?si=m_lVUh5u-91lA4dx

@cyan surge

[cyan surge]

👀

dont do this to me

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[bleak holly]

Mind if I ask how I can calculate my PSU's peak load? EVGA SuperNova 750w and it's 3-4 years old.

[sand atlas]

Depending on the capacitors used, they can lose between 5-10% of their peak capacity every 5 years or so. EVGA uses good Japanese capacitors usually iirc, so you'll have barely any loss at this point in its life.

[bleak holly]

Gotcha.

[blissful thistle]

Any opinions on this? Looks like a solid budget option
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zJWJ7P/phanteks-xt-pro-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-bk01

[tawny oxide]

I actually can’t find much info on that

Well

No wonder
It came out last month lmao

[serene siren]

I've heard good things about it, but yet to see anything detailed

[dusk galleon]

Regarding the D31, if I wanted too, could the normal version he fitted with a screen later on?

Or is it different mounting mechanisms the front panel and the screen

Poked around online but couldn't find an answer

[serene siren]

same mechanism but idk if they sell it separate

they mount the same way iirc

[dusk galleon]

Interesting to know

I got the basic case anyways

[chilly path]

I think if you email Jonsbo they would probably sell you one

[serene siren]

guys

any reviews on sharkoon c70m?

[serene siren]

checked this again btw, it's decent

[blissful thistle]

yeah looks like a "nicer" g300a?

[serene siren]

ye

I would guess so for size constraints

in other news, TIL Corsair now ships their 12vhpwr adapter with their new psus

so they become an ironically great choice

since that adapter is excellent

[dusk galleon]

Ever thought of it, could be worth trying even though I doubt they would

Don't think it'd be good for my case anyways, it'd block the fan for the PSU

[eager flame]

I got a C750 gold and I’m extremely confused with all of these connectors and don’t know which goes where, it’s my first case

[serene siren]

@sand atlas any experience with these?

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/silverstone-pp07btsb-30cm-4pin-to-4-sata-cable-black-ac21782

4 pin molex to 4 sata (would be populated)

@urban tulip maybe you know anything about these?

I don't need to use one of these, but if it's reliable enough I can look at using one of them

[urban tulip]

No idea I've kinda fallen out of the PC stuff world lol

[serene siren]

Kekw ok

[sand atlas]

Ok so here's the deal with those. Molex carries 12V and 5V, so it'll work with any SATA power device that uses either of those. SATA spec allows devices to use 3.3V instead, and those will fail to power on.

As far as it being safe, I see no obvious problems. Molex spec offers way more amperage per connector.

[serene siren]

That's fascinating ok

[serene siren]

So I'm guessing drives are specifically 12v and 5.5v

?

[sand atlas]

95% of drives or so will work, they're usually 5V for SSD and 12V for HDD. Occasionally you'll see an enterprise drive that uses 3.3V plus another voltage.

[chilly path]

G300A vs 4000D?

[blissful thistle]

If similar price, 4000d

Unless it's the g300a with 4 fans

[chilly path]

it is the single fan one sadly

But for context, the G300A and a three-pack of SK120s cost as much as the 4000D in itself

without any fans

I really like the 4000D but

It's SOOOOOO expensive here

[fierce pivot]

Then g300a makes most sense but if you like the look and it's worth it to you, get that

[chilly path]

idk if it's "worth it" to me since

it's really not any better or worse

The 4000D aesthetic is nice, but I'm not sure I'd pay that much more for it

[sick viper]

For home servers a used gaming pc is recommended but those things tend to be bulky as heck and something just powerful enough to host something like minecraft would be nice.

Like I found a dell optiplex 5060 that would have worked but that case was still a bit chunky

one day I probably would put a rackmount just under a desk or something

[sand atlas]

I picked up an old HP Z420 with a workstation xeon in it for my server. Cost me $100 for everything but the storage, $175 after adding more memory and a HDD.

The case is massive but there's sooo many SATA ports, I just threw all my old drives in there and let ZFS figure it out

[sick viper]

Basically the CPU probably is the biggest issue with old servers

[sand atlas]

Depends on what it's used for

[mild roost]

z420 isn't very old i think

[sand atlas]

X79

[mild roost]

oh

[sick viper]

For gaming servers it would be necessary

[mild roost]

nevermind on my statement

[sick viper]

Though for just storing anything else, any server would do

[sand atlas]

Depends on the game, like vanilla Minecraft would be more than happy on my e5 1650, but something more modern definitely needs more horsepower.

[sick viper]

It just depends on what I decide to use it for

Minecraft is single-threaded

[sand atlas]

Not the server

[sick viper]

I wouldnt say I would have more than 16 players at any time

After all, its just a hypothetical idea

I probably would have done it if I kept the dell

[sand atlas]

You could get away with a cheap mini PC for a game server. $400 gets you a Ryzen 7000 model.

[sick viper]

But in reference for size, 1U or even a half rack of sorts would be nice

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bRQhrv ?

[sick viper]

Not bad

[blissful thistle]

case is ass, but for this use its fine

might need a better cooler

[serene siren]

Do q300L v2

A lot better

Or just, gamemax m60 lol

Cheap box with the right idea

[raw blade]

I have a ridiculous somewhere question
So my mom wants the power bill to be under 100% dollars a month and somehow it's over that so my question is is there a way to see how much power a PC eats :/ or something around there?

[elfin trout]

like you want to use a kill-a-watt?

[mild roost]

you can use a kill-a-watt

[woven kiln]

I can determine some around how much power it uses if you tell me how long do you use the PC, For which purpose, and its specifications

[mild roost]

telling exact values is difficult with how many different parts can be paired together

but of course a rough calculation is possible

[tawny oxide]

As a two person family who games, ours is still over $100/m
Your mom is being picky

[blissful thistle]

There's another
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/RtFmP6/phanteks-xt-view-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523v1-dwt01

[bleak holly]

Only clear way to tell would be to use a Kill-A-Watt to meter the power usage. Also that is a very, very low bill electricity wise per month.

[sand atlas]

Right. Even a mid-high end gaming PC played for 4 hours a day 365 days a year is only about $10 a month.

[past harbor]

funny you say 365 days per year instead of just saying everyday. -- be nice having below 20cents/kwh. (A few states are almost 2x that)

[serene siren]

he turns it off every leap year

service holiday for the computer

[kindred otter]

I'm in the market for a new PSU and I know about certified 80+ whatever precious metal. But today I saw 80+ white, what is it?

[mild roost]

80+ white is the lowest efficiency rating

it doesn't correlate to quality at all also

[kindred otter]

Okay, thanks!

[blissful thistle]

Well

Typically white is bottom of the barrel, but it doesn't directly correlate

There's gold rated psus that are bombs

@kindred otter what model is it?

[kindred otter]

I have a screenshot of it but I can't upload pictures. Give me a second.

Thermaltake Smart 600W

[blissful thistle]

That's known for killing pcs

Avoid

Are you in the US?

[kindred otter]

Yes I am. I'm looking to upgrade from a EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze

[blissful thistle]

What cpu and gpu are you using?

Just upgrading psu, or anything else?

[kindred otter]

Lots of things, I have my pcpartpicker list somewhere.

CPU is Ryzen 3600
GPU AMD RX 6600

[blissful thistle]

Can you send the pcp link?

Also, what's the total budget you want to spend to upgrade?

[kindred otter]

Sorry, I'm at the hospital.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/schiquito/saved/TW9qRB

Is it weird to say that I don't have a definitive budget? I'm looking to get to components that will get me the most solid and reliable 1080p gaming.

I built my first PC by slowly acquiring parts over a period of time because of the pandemic.

I plan to do the same thing upgrading this build. I don't want my upgrades to be incremental but more substantial in terms of quality, if that makes sense.

[blissful thistle]

Ah list is private

[kindred otter]

Sorry, please try again. It should be public this time.

Also my cooler has two Cooler Master Sickleflow 120 fans, one on each side.

[blissful thistle]

Still private for me

When you have the list pulled up, like editing it, try copying the link on top

There

[kindred otter]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Px6vFs

[blissful thistle]

Cool that time it worked

You've got a solid build, ans you've got the right idea of upgrading psu first

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zF4Zxr/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a850gl-pcie5

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RMgrxr/bitfenix-bfg-gold-atx30-750-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-bga750umag

I'd grab one of those when aiming for upgradability

Either of those could handle almost any gpu

Including the 4090

The bfg I'm not sure would handle a 3090/ti, but any other 30/40/6000/7000 series gpus, yes

[kindred otter]

Okay, thanks a lot! Next I would need to look into a mobo and CPU.

But I'll go ask those questions in the right channel.

[blissful thistle]

I'd be happy to help, either here or another channel

Doesn't matter too much

You could stick with your current mobo, if you upgrade you'd be looking at cpu, mobo, and ram all together

If you sold your cpu, mobo, and ram though, overall the upgrade would likely be better value

[kindred otter]

Is it okay to send you a DM? I hate the feeling of cluttering a space where other people might have questions.

[blissful thistle]

5700x3d is $250 new, this is what a whole new platform would look likehttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZgTfmD

[blissful thistle]

Sure go for it

[scenic lance]

Is 80 Plus Titanium really power efficient

[sand atlas]

It's a rating of how much power from the wall (AC) is converted into power your PC can use (DC). The difference in the 2 can be used to show an efficiency rating, with the rest of the power being lost to other things like heat dissipation.
The difference between a bronze and a titanium rated unit would often go beyond just the efficiency, but for the sake of an example, a Bronze rated unit needs to be at least 85% efficient at 50% load, while a Titanium needs to be 94% efficient at 50% load. Lets say you're pulling 500W from the wall and this is a 50% load for the power supply. The bronze unit would convert that to 425W, while the titanium would convert it to 470W.

What this means is there's a slight difference in the power draw from the wall for a higher rated unit, and whether that small amount of power difference is worth it to you depends on the electricity costs in your region. If you're in an area with extremely high power costs, like Germany, then every Watt counts and you'll make up the difference in cost between the 2 units faster.
Gold rated units have been plenty good for the vast majority of applications, with 90% efficiency at 50% load, or 450W from the above example, and they're reasonably priced compared to other high tier units.

[scenic lance]

Thank you very much for the detailed answer

You are a real expert

[sand atlas]

I wouldn't call myself an "expert" but I've been around the block a few times

[sharp lintel]

Is there a way to turn off lights for non addressable rgb fans

standard molex connector ones

I want to put 2 of them from my old case into my new one but id rather have the rgb off instead of fixed setting so it doesn’t look weird compared to the argb ones

[chilly path]

those ones sadly no

If you plug the molex in, it lights up as is and goes full bore 24/7

if it had a 4-pin RGB plug then you can probably do it, but with molex no

[sharp lintel]

would I need to buy the same model of argb fans as the ones in the case or do any argb work?

[past harbor]

Any standard model w/ pwm & 3pin Argb connectors should be fine if that's what you want.

[sharp lintel]

Thank you

Ive never used argb before so this is all a bit confusing

So I just plug all argb hardware into the controller?

since I have an msi mobo would I use mystic light to control lightning/ fan speed all that?

[past harbor]

Preferably mobo has at least 1 argb header so a cable can go to it from controller & software can control lighting. If not, there's another option.

[sand atlas]

I do not recommend mystic light, the MSI program it's built into is terrible for many reasons.
You can use openrgb instead.

[chilly path]

It's probably just gonna look wonky if you mix and match

But ultimately it will work as long as it is 3 pin 5V ARGB

[chilly path]

Is there any mobo RGB software that's not garbage?

Well, that's at least passable

[sand atlas]

Openrgb is the closest thing to that

[chilly path]

So none of them is really worth having
Sadge

[scenic lance]

In what scenarios should I choose full tower instead of mid tower

I tried Googling but this is not an easy question

[sand atlas]

There is no official specification that defines mid tower and full tower. They're just marketing terms. I've seen "mid towers" that are much larger than "full towers."

[serene siren]

couch cough o11 cough

[serene siren]

https://youtu.be/AHfmA1zlGZU?si=fWrzBKeQTIZ8iG-R

💀💀💀

[sand atlas]

average Chinese company moment

[serene siren]

So true

[young fox]

My psu blew up like a month ago and I just got the RMA, rgb on ram turn on nothing else does. I plugged in the 24 pin, 8 pin and the power for gpu, am I missing anything?

?cmos

[final patio]

How to clear CMOS (works for AMD and Intel)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025368/processors.html

[long sphinx]

HYPEEE

[mild roost]

lmao

[long sphinx]

foxy can you recommend me a quiet 850w psu

[mild roost]

msi a-gl?

the new model

[long sphinx]

can you link by chance

the be quiet one i was gonna get isnt on sale anymore

[mild roost]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zF4Zxr/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a850gl-pcie5

[long sphinx]

ty

[blissful thistle]

Specifically quiet, the be quiet pure power 12 m 850

But ye that's just as good and a bit cheaper

Xpg core reactor 850 also on the table

[scenic lance]

I was playing on my pcvr when it just randomly shut off after the game running extremely slow, now every time I start it it shuts off a minute or two after boot and is running really slow

Possible psu fault?

[blissful thistle]

every time you start the pc, or the vr

[reef spear]

[tame cape]

Need

More stickers

[tawny oxide]

I was in my local “micro center” ripoff
And they had what looks like a coolermaster 912, but it had the HAF logo slanted on the right side, and @xii on the front below the CM logo

What was it?

@xii was right there

[vocal tree]

A local computer store? Xd

[tawny oxide]

Nah, their name closely resembles micro center
And their employees are all ex-mc lmao

[vocal tree]

👀

[tawny oxide]

Obviously not gonna name cuz they’re only local and that’d be doxxing myself

[serene siren]

Antec P20C/P20CE

new case of interest

[vocal tree]

looks like the corsair case my cousin got

[tawny oxide]

That looks so clean wtf

[serene siren]

fun factoid people may or may not know

sama im01 is invertible

the original one

I have found zero information about this except for like, 3 reddit posts that did it

[bronze dove]

Anyone know whatever happened to the Fractal Torrent Nano? A few months back I was looking for ITX case alternatives for someone in a NR200 and the Torrent Nano was out of stock on Newegg and Amazon

Not that I'm going to recommend the Nano now for the guy who is in the 200p but... I was hoping thr Torrent Nano was still around because I would have liked my next ITX build to have it.

[blissful thistle]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WDytt6/fractal-design-torrent-nano-mini-itx-desktop-case-fd-c-tor1n-01

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jyBG3C/fractal-design-torrent-nano-mini-itx-desktop-case-fd-c-tor1n-03

[bronze dove]

Only one listing for black on Amazon and it's not shipping from within the US... I guess the Torrent Nano got killed off

Rip... it was a nice looking ITX box

[past harbor]

With the size of that thing, might as well get the matx compact model. That's just me though. Edit: damnit,what's w/ the prices, nevermind.

[left sundial]

Anyone know when the Rosewill RSV-L4600U will be back in stock?

[blissful thistle]

No we do not

We are not affiliated with newegg and have no clue when they get new stock.

[bronze dove]

If it doesn't list as Backorder then it means Newegg isn't expecting new inventory on the way or has no confirmation of new inventory in the pipeline

[stray trench]

is it safe to use electric air blower the pc? some ppl told me it causes static charge and could kill cpu. tho I've been doing this for years on my pc but this time its for my friend's, dont wanna ruin his stuff

like this one

[past harbor]

A vac would cause static. Keep a decent distance and physically hold fans so they don't spin 90K rpm to ruin their bearings or such, should be good.

[sand atlas]

Blowers are fine, I use an electric handheld blower myself. Hold fans still when you blow on them, they can become a generator and blow out your motherboard if they overspin.
Canned compressed air has an advantage in heavy dust areas because the moisture catches more dust. Flip it upside down for max effect. It won't hurt your components as long as it's unplugged and power drained.

[long sphinx]

what about canned air

thats what I have used and havent had problems with

but ive seen more posts of people killing their pcs when they clean them

[sand atlas]

Read the second paragraph

[long sphinx]

i am blind

i apologize

[sand atlas]

lol it happens

[long sphinx]

i stared at the eclipse too long ig

[visual fjord]

Bro's got a sunburn in his retina

[visual fjord]

interesting

[bronze dove]

The refrigerant in air cans is electrically conductive?

[sand atlas]

It's not refrigerant

It's cold because of the pressure

[bronze dove]

Then what is the liquid I sometimes see jet out?

[sand atlas]

That cold attracts and condenses moisture from the air

Put a gas under enough pressure and it turns liquid when you release the pressure

So it's just liquid air basically

[bronze dove]

Hmm... I was told that they use a refrigerant in the can that expands rapidly when pressure is released going from liquid to gas so it is a jet of refrigerant that just expanded to gas. And the can being cold is when the expanding gas is taking heat energy from your hand and surrounding air as it expands to a gas.

[sand atlas]

I guess it would depend on the brand but the ones I use are just compressed CO2

The second sentence there is mostly correct, that would be why we feel it being cold.
When you compress a gas, the temperature increases if all other factors remain the same, and the inverse is also true.

[bronze dove]

Law of Thermal Dynamics, Liquid state cannot have as much thermal energy as gas. Just as solid versus liquid.

[sand atlas]

Assuming the chemical composition of both is the same that is correct

[long sphinx]

i refuse people who actually were stupid and looked without glasses thought to google why

[long sphinx]

which one should I buy

[sand atlas]

Be quiet

If those are the only 2 options

[long sphinx]

thoese were 2 I was looking at for 850w

msi went back up like 20 bucks so

[sand atlas]

Keep in mind the Be Quiet unit is a multi rail so if you have a lot of draw from one rail it might shut down, but you can usually avoid that by planning out your cabling to split the load evenly

Other than that they're some of the best, quietest units around

[long sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confuse-numbers-gif-10041147

multi what

[sand atlas]

The 12V power is split up into multiple rails instead of all being on a single rail

[long sphinx]

idk what that is 💀

[sand atlas]

It's not something you need to worry about as long as you put your cables in the right place

[blissful thistle]

Bfg 850

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9XNYcf/bitfenix-bfg-gold-atx30-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-bp-bga850umag

[long sphinx]

does it support full cable replacements if I wanted to do that

[sand atlas]

yes

Placement is what matters

[long sphinx]

im sure once i start my caseswap ill be in here complaining and asking for help with cables dw

[sand atlas]

I'm checking what rails go to what connectors right now to see if it could be any kind of issue for you

Ok they actually split the rails so half the pins on each connector go to each rail

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

That setup means you cannot possibly have a problem with it unless you overclock the hell out of your gpu with a 1000W vbios

[long sphinx]

i still dont really know what you mean by rails but if you say its fine then its probably good

[sand atlas]

They're called rails because it's actual strips of metal that the power flows through, like an old light rail system

When you have all the power flowing through one rail, it gets hotter and therefore harder to cool than if you split that same load over 2 rails

Easier to cool means they can use a quieter fan

Which is kinda their thing

[long sphinx]

and the rail is inside the unit itself, not the cables?

[sand atlas]

Yes

[long sphinx]

gotcha

this is gonna be my list I think then

[pulsar belfry]

So a while back at a LAN, I won this case that comes with a proprietary 650w PSU as a prize https://seasonic.com/arch-q5-series. Recently I bought a 750w version of the same PSU (sadly that is the highest wattage you can get it in). https://www.newegg.com/seasonic-connect-ssr-750fa-750w/p/N82E16817151232
I was wondering if I can just swap out the main box and leave the cables?

[mild roost]

Likely not

[chilly path]

Honestly that's not even a really good case if you ask me

[chilly path]

It's the same line

Both Connect PSUs

[mild roost]

Higher wattage tho

[chilly path]

It'd be asinine to use different pinout in the same line of PSUs

[mild roost]

I'd not want to risk finding out it happens to have different pinout

Such things happened before lol

[chilly path]

Within manufacturer I get it but within the same product line would be stupid

[mild roost]

EVGA silently changing pinout of the same psu

That's why I don't wanna risk

There's that off chance something like this can happen

[past harbor]

This is when you talk to Seasonic, lol. If you want to use the old cables, we don't advocate it is all. Only a few minutes extra work.

[mild roost]

Silent revisions

[chilly path]

That's straight up asinine

if you buy a cable kit for the PSU and it's the new spec on the old PSU you're probably blowing something up

that's just shameful

But yeah shooting Seasonic an email could save a lot of headache/heartache

[past harbor]

Doubt they answer quicker than changing cables would be.

[sand atlas]

And yet https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies/evga-power-supply-allegedly-blows-up-22tb-of-customer-storage-revised-model-from-rma-had-a-different-pin-layout-and-killed-all-sata-powered-devices

[chilly path]

That is absolutely asinine

Shameful

Disgusting

[sand atlas]

There's only one case where I'd personally say it's fine to use the old cables, and that's Corsair because they use their standardized Type 3/4/5 design. As long as the new and old unit are the same Type cable they work.

Oh and the update on that story is that EVGA did reimburse him the retail price of the drives, and the data on them was not worth paying to recover.

[drifting sonnet]

this issue has somehow re-emerged just the other day

GFE battery saving is off, power settings are set to "prefer high-performance" in nvidia control panel, my battery settings are all set for performance.. not really sure what's causing it

literally zero effect when i unplug my laptop, fps is just as low

[mild roost]

I'd try reinstalling windows

And whatever control software the laptop uses

[bronze dove]

Check if Windows is defaulting to render on the integrated graphics instead of a dedicated gpu

I had a laptop from ~2015 and sometimes when I upgraded windows to a new Service pack version of 7 or going from 7 to 10... Windows would by default have everything running on the integrated graphics instead of the 1050 Ti

It is stupid I know but laptops with dedicated cards sometimes have that problem because Windows just likes to default run everything on whatever "Display Adapter 0" is

[vagrant lantern]

any reconmendation on budget psu thats 500watts?

[sand atlas]

Define "budget"

This would be the cheapest one I'd recommend as of this moment https://www.newegg.com/evga-650-b5-220-b5-0650-v1-650w/p/N82E16817438166

[tawny oxide]

C tier but https://www.newegg.com/msi-mag-a550bn-550-w/p/N82E16817701012

[serene siren]

Where muh prestige bois at

Apevia prestige 600w, $51.99

[blissful thistle]

I mean $40 more, but this is a very nice deal rn
https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm850x-cp-9020200-na-850w/p/N82E16817139272

If you can afford it that psu would last you many years to come

[wide parrot]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-cx-m-series-cx650m-semi-modular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-black/6459240.p?cmp=RMX&skuId=6459240

I guess it's only $5 more for the 750W as well

[blissful thistle]

Sale ended

[marble girder]

I think my enermax PSU died on me? The power switch on my case nor using my flathead to short the pins is working at all. How rare is it for a good PSU to die?

Is it possible for my board to be dead instead? And if so how do I start a power supply without the motherboard to test

[blissful thistle]

paper clip test the psu

[marble girder]

Which pins?

[blissful thistle]

im not sure

google would be able to tell you but i dont feel like finding it

[marble girder]

I see conflicting answers on google

They all say 4 and 5 or 3 and 4

Oh you gotta be kidding

It boots up....

My motherboard died???

Or are the power switch pins not working anymore?

What do I do now? Power pins don't work but shorting the motherboard connector works to boot up PSU

[tame cape]

Where can i find replacement cables for a msi mag a750gl?

[mild roost]

Emailing msi

[tulip granite]

???

bacca you good bro?

[blissful thistle]

Idk wtf that was from lmao

[tame cape]

Uhhm... so just an email threatening them for two cables?

[prime beacon]

Guys I’m trying to clean my pc with duster and do I clean my power supply with it

[tame cape]

Oh wait I have an a650gf, maybe the cables are not different, hopefully. Where can I find the pinout for both psus?

[patent depot]

https://www.newegg.ca/black-phanteks-xt-mid-tower/p/N82E16811854133 im trying to get this case for my build but since about 2 days ago newegg ran out of stock in canadian warehouses and shipping shot up from $20 to $50 canadian, is there any way to know when they will restock canadian warehouses or find a way to encourage them to restock ie. adding to wishlist (https://www.ebay.ca/itm/186397358105 this ebay listing from newegg of the same item says it ships from canada and the shipping fee is $20, however it is sold out so this is what leads me to believe the increase in shipping price was due to lack of canadian stock) https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/BXtLrH/phanteks-xt-pro-ultra-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-xt523p1-dbk01 going to the pc part picker page shows a sudden price increase in the price history graph, which was the shipping cost increase

[sand atlas]

No idea what you can do there except wait or pick another case. No one here works for Newegg so we don't have any insight there. Sorry.

[patent depot]

ah

[patent depot]

do you have any idea how long i might have to wait based on averages from other products

[sand atlas]

It varies a lot in my experience, sometimes it's back in stock within hours and other times it's never restocked

[patent depot]

alright, heard its a pretty good and popular case so hopefully it'll be stocked soon

[serene siren]

@sand atlas @blissful thistle
https://youtu.be/9CWqCRFroZ0?si=d_nuxyebLCFMdrLA

Watch the gpu mechanism on this

It's actually amazing

[sand atlas]

Yeah I saw the LTT video on it a month ago. GN is much more thorough ofc.

That's pretty quiet too

Nice design

[tame cape]

Really need help to understand if the msi a650gf cables are compatible with the a750gl psu

[serene siren]

Good chance

Great way I like to check is to look up either pinout diagrams or groups that make cable kits for different units to see if the same kit has been tested as cross compatible

[tame cape]

Yeah but i cannot find the pinouts for those psus cables

Ill keep on looking, hopefully i figure out compatibility

[serene siren]

Yeah some are pretty difficult to find

You might have some good luck asking in psu circles

Odds are the pinouts should be similar but I think it's great that you're double checking, I would too

[bronze dove]

Msi has jumped from one OEM to another several times and each oem does psu end differently

General advice is don't reuse cables from other psus. Sometimes if you look at cablemod they have spreadsheets of which series of basic cables match what psu. And more often than not it is because all of them come off the same tooling line. Like how Asus Strix and Thor match my seasonic focus gx

[serene siren]

Yes that's basically what I said 5 messages above lol

Cablemod aren't the only ones who make pinout diagrams too, I've used a couple before. They're often peer reviewed before they're published but you can cross check in person

e.g for the focus (I've verified with my own focus unit)

[tame cape]

I wasn't able to find any pinout for either psu. Any ideas where else I could look for?

[tame cape]

Rn I'm thinking about buying that msi psu (€55, seller includes some black sleeved extension cables) or a nzxt c750 new for €70

I might have the cables for the msi psu if they're compatible with the a650gf cables

[tame cape]

I forgot to specifiy, the c750 is 80+gold fully modular

[blissful thistle]

A tier

[tame cape]

Fantastic, got it for €60